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Hello everyone, welcome to the third episode of Art Unframed and right here with me is a special guest

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ambidextrous, she's ambidextrous, she's a multidisciplinary artist and she's Irina, she does magic with her hands

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ambidextrous

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Hello Irina, good evening, how are you doing?

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Hi, I'm doing good, thank you so much, nice to be here and thank you for the invitation

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Yes, nice to be here, what am I saying, it's nice to be here, ambidextrous

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of course I'm going to be here, yeah thank you for coming to the space and being a special guest for

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this episode, I would like to first start by getting to know more about you, so I'll first

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start by asking you what inspired you to start creating art with both hands?

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Thank you, first of all thank you so much for having me, I was an artist since

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my childhood, I finished art school and painted oil and watercolor and

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later I started as a watercolor artist in my 20s, started selling my work

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through Instagram all over the world and my first order was to Australia and then it started somehow

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to pick up I think in 2014 and so since then I was painting watercolor acrylic, doing some

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craft also, so I was just exploring a lot of different art styles and basically if I had an

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idea I was looking into how I can make it, so I had a collection of paintings on embroidery hoops

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with crotchet frames and pearls and some different stuff, so in 2020 I was

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experimenting with one continuous line drawing and I started with drawing on the iPad and also

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on paper with the neuro graphics, it's when you just do scribbles and then color them and it is some

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psychological art technique, so from then I was thinking if I can draw with one continuous line

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because I remember when I was a kid I saw some video about an artist drawing a Snoopy, that cartoon

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character with one continuous line and I was very impressed and never even thought that I would be

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able to pick up all the details in the image without not sketching it before and just drawing it, but in 2022

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after the neuro graphics, I one day was sitting and just started sketching with one continuous line, just some

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abstract faces, like whatever, and then it was fascinating, it was interesting, I started doing this more often

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I was posting those videos on Instagram and TikTok and I experimented a lot, like I was making those videos

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every day and posting them and I started drawing many faces, so I understood that I can pick up

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people's features on the face in a way that looks resemblance to the original, to the reference

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with these continuous line portraits, I think because my drawings were based on simple shapes and

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somehow I was able to cut off all the noise, like simplify the face to the simple shapes

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and with one continuous line I was able to create a portrait that looked like the reference

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and so this was my practice for quite a while, like maybe two months or three months of everyday drawing of that

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and then one day I was just sitting there with my daily routine of this continuous line drawing

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and I was like hmm, I wonder if my left hand is capable of anything at all and since this technique was already familiar to me

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with one-hand drawings, I picked up the second marker and I just tried to do with my left hand the same

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symmetrical line art that I was doing with the right hand, I remember just like as it was yesterday

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it was some puppy face, like I was starting from the nose, then eyes, then cheeks and ears

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and to my surprise, I was able to draw with my left hand as well

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so awkward, I was not able to properly comfortably grasp the marker that I was using

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and the feeling was like I'm holding for the first time, I don't know how to hold, I hold too stiff

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like my fingers cannot relax, but that was a very fun experiment and the next day I tried again

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and that's the way it went forward and I just started practicing every day and after a while

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it became easier, so that's a very long story to your first question

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Thank you Irina, you know like I never thought I was going to come across an artist I could draw with both of the hands

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and you're kind of like the only person I've come across to do that and you do that really well

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you know like I used to read about people being ambidextrous, like I knew or rather I heard

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Leona Dudamwe, she was ambidextrous, so when I first came across your profile and then I saw

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you drawing those figures with both of your hands, I was really fascinated, it's really nice

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so if I were to, like is it something that you picked from childhood or like which particular hand is like your dominant hand among the two hands?

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My dominant hand is right hand, I was trying to write with my left hand at school

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so like as a bored child during the lessons I was trying to do something, it wasn't really any good

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so I think it was like 20 years ago or something

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yeah you know for me it's kind of like the other way around like my left hand is like my dominant

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hand because I'm a lefty and when I try to kind of like use my right hand kind of like very very slow

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so yeah it's nice to see you do that, I want to check in if Kafani is here, Kafani are you there?

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Yes, Kafani is here, hi.

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Hello Kafani, yeah so I want to see if you have some questions for Irena

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um yeah I do actually like this is my first time ever coming across her profile one,

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now I saw wow two hands hey good I'm impressed though because I can't I can't do anything with my left hand

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my right hand is my dominant hand so I actually tried a couple of them to write with my right hand but

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it's not as easy as writing with your left hand for you to draw I especially like the video of you

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drawing that dog with your two hands so it's really really cool especially the like darker shade parts

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like that's actually really cool um I don't know how do you like approach creating a piece using

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your two hands like do you like is it like an every time scene or like you like sometimes draw

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with one hand I don't know how do you just approach creating a piece with your left hand

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creating a piece using your two hands and um what's like the most challenging part of being

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and I'm like using your two hands to draw because I I'm sorry I can't pronounce what you are I'm so

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so sorry what's your name can you pronounce it again? I'm the dextrous, Jesus, I'm the dextrous

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okay okay what's the most challenging part of being an ambidextrous artist?

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um thank you and yeah how do you appreciate it? yeah thank you sorry yeah thank you for the question

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um the most difficult part is headache when I was first learning it so I was practicing

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a lot every day but I couldn't draw more than like five or ten minutes because I started to

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have headache I think it's like when you don't use your muscles for example I like to compare it with

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the gym if you don't use your muscles and then you do like 30 squats or something like a plank

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and the next day you will have pain in your muscles I think the same happens with the brain and

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since we are not used to use both spheres like hemispheres of our brain I guess when you start

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doing it it is tiresome and our brain is fragile so I'm not like surprised that it causes headache

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but with practice I began to start feeling when like the next two minutes will be too much and I

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learned to stop in time so I was just tired but nothing major and then gradually I could extend

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this and now I am able to draw like about an hour in this style so it's like two three drawings

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I was doing inktober with ink and drawing with two hands two deep pens and I was trying to finish it

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in advance because I wasn't able to do everyday drawings so I was drawing like two three drawings

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a day and it usually was one drawing for about 20 minutes and so it was like one hour or a little

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bit longer for the three of them it's exactly what you pinned up on top vulcan so the two

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three artworks no two artworks on the top the latest ones are from this october and they are

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more complicated than I did before and they were like each one of them was like 20 minutes of work

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of two hands drawing and it demands usually a lot of concentration and now I don't have headache

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but it wasn't possible even a year ago so I think this is the most difficult part

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and also the difficulty for me is that I decided not to make pencil sketches I think it's

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more interesting and more challenging and looks clean when I just draw on the white paper or

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like on black paper whatever but without making marks with a pencil so the difficulty here will be

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to use eye measurement to create not just like some weird shapes or structures or

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faces that don't look like anything but to make precise drawings or portraits or

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what I want to express to look as if I was drawing like a usual to draw with one hand with sketching

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with making pencil preliminary work so that is difficult as well sometimes I do one drawing

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several times when I don't like the proportions I usually start again and do the same picture again

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and that is challenging because sometimes I can spend the whole hour or like more just on one

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piece so that's very challenging and to answer your question how I approach creation nowadays I

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prefer making references with AI for example with Chai GPT creating AI pictures I describe what I

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want and it gives me more more or less what I'm planning to draw for example like this

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guy with the bird mask I was first asking the plague doctor in standing in the street but then

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I was also asking for this dealer in the street in the suit and then I combined the two pictures

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in photo editor and then I got the reference for what I was going to create with the plague doctor

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being like a dealer and so it's I'm talking about the latest pinned picture explaining about it so

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that was the process how I created the reference and then I was opening the reference next to me

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and looking at it and drawing that I think it took two or three trials because it was difficult to

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plan the shape of this figure and write in the bottles so I think that there were a few mistakes

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and that and I redid the whole thing so yeah that's that's how I do it

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yeah that's that's how I do it wow wow actually wow because I is actually it's actually really

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cool that you actually overcame in as dead in this in a year because I think you said you said last

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year so yeah so that's really really cool and then the approach of you know getting a reference first

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so it's like a kind is still your original work you're drawing with two hands it's actually really

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cool it's cool do you do you actually think that you drawing with your two hands faster than using

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one hand to draw or is this slower because you said you're using like more percentage of your

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brain and our brain is fragile and then the headaches this is actually faster what do you think

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um I don't know look um at some point to me it is faster because yes I cover more details at the same

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moment of time but with my one hand I just can sketch really very quickly so when I go for

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example to urban sketching with the sitting outside and drawing the buildings or people I just sketch

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really very quickly so I'm primarily just a normal like let's say normal artist normal person and I

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and I most of my life I was drawing painting just using my dominant hand um so that skill didn't go

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anywhere and I guess it's just um I was able to improve it as well with developing that two hands

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drawing skill wow actually wow honestly welcome don't you wish you can draw with your two hands

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I can't even draw like that let me know like I can't draw I'm just I'm really good at photography

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but I I don't think I can draw I've tried shabbos for real I tried writing with my two hands but

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I was just writing rubbish so no I can't really read my name with my left hand though

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well I can't draw um um what do you think I think I can actually write the same thing if I'm if I'm

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what if I'm working my two hands I can write the same thing or draw the same thing but I can't like

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think independently if you know what I mean like what Irina said like it's like for art kind of

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like train uh mind to work independently that is it's crazy I mean it's it's amazing so yeah just

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if you know you I'm trying um and then have you actually met someone like you that draws with two

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hands have you ever met like people that draw with two hands yes I did uh when I was drawing uh with

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my two hands uh before NFT uh I think it was like up to a year before before I came to NFT so it was

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2021 beginning of the year and I joined NFT in December 2021 um I was posting on TikTok and

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uh I connected to a few ambidextrous artists I think two maybe and one artist was from England

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he was able to draw like two separate like two different faces not even looking at it properly

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I think so I remember his he was like hanging um the screen on his uh neck and it was hanging on

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his chest and he was looking on it upside down and drawing um two faces of two characters it was

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seriously also very amazing very different and we used to uh we used to chat and um like uh

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make jokes with each other so this guy once commented on my post like I don't believe it's

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both of your hands like he was making a joke because he obviously knew that that was me but

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uh it was our way of um joking and he was like I don't believe you it's not your hand it's

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it's the neck the second one must be someone else's and um to answer him I recorded the video

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with my husband and um I tried to instruct to give him instructions what to do and uh

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we were trying to draw the same thing with my I think with my left hand and with his right hand

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to make it easier for him and it was hilarious and it didn't and uh I posted the video to the

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response to this guy and we had some laughter um but then also in NFT I actually met a few people

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who would also draw like this and uh I think maybe three or four and uh yeah so there are people I

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think there are probably more because um I do believe that a lot more people are able to do

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this but maybe someone didn't um explore his or her um like possibilities and um

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you know I was making a workshop in my town um maybe like two months ago and uh there were

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10 people and every one of them was able to draw something like we don't uh talk about the level of

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artwork like we didn't um concentrate on that like someone our artwork was very realistic someone's

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was not really very realistic but the fact is that everyone in this group managed to draw a few

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um pieces using their both hands and also they were able to like communicate I gave them a

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and also they were able to like communicate I gave them this experience of trying to instruct

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the other person like the partner in crime let's say to instruct them to use one hand each like

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coming from what uh we were laughing on tick tock with that guy I made an experiment from this

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in the workshop and it also went really well um we had more time for expressing ourselves to the

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other participant and we were able to communicate and make an artwork together with someone else so

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I think it's possible I think people just need to try and maybe spend some time practicing but

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I believe that uh we are like as human human beings as artists we are capable of this

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So um Irina I do kind of like like one of those times when you've you were redoing your work like

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you made a mistake was it a problem of um of one of your hand not cooperating to do exactly the

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exactly what you wanted to do or how was it like uh sometimes yes uh so if I understand your question

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correctly when I do mistake what is the reason is it right

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no no I don't think that's what Vulcan is saying but I actually wanted to say that um

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um if I want to kind of if all of you that would be like um what sorry sorry Kafani um I just wanted

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to say like if I want to kind of like rephrase it would be like have you ever accidentally like

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messed up a piece because one of your hand was not cooperating like does that happen um it happens

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sometimes when for example when I draw with nip pens one of them can get stuck like it just um

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the angle I guess of the pen can get stuck in the paper and it doesn't move smooth smoothly

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and then I can put a blob of ink and spoil the picture like that happens uh but usually what I

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consider a mistake and maybe someone else wouldn't but um so when I draw and I want this drawing be

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resembling to the proportions of the reference and for example I mess up with

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eyes position on the face let's say or on the shape of the body for me this is a mistake because I

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want to see it in a particular way and I cannot like double tap you know uh like on ipad and

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cancel the action I need to change um but also I guess it depends on my style really because

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if I was drawing something more abstract maybe like I would use a lot more flow and I wouldn't

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consider that a mistake it just like the proportion is like this but I tend to make my art more

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realistic and that's why many times I need to redo something because I don't like the shape

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okay thank you um tafani

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yeah I wanted to say that I've actually like the way she described the um people that um draw with

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their two hands like is like a whole village honestly and I've never met like in my whole

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entire life I've never met someone like her so imagine if all of them came together because

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apparently they're using more percentage of their brain than us that are drawing with one hand

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so if they come together and want to take over the world or something like that I think it's

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the world or something welcome I don't know I don't know it seems so a lot of people are using

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more brain power than us but okay it just is actually really cool because there's this I don't

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know if you guys have heard of this stuff the da Vinci codes that people are supposed to draw

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with their two hands I used to play that game when I was younger and I used to wish that I could draw

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with two hands and I used to be like are there actually people that can draw with two hands

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I actually I'm still surprised though I'm actually still

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I was that go through until I saw like Irina doing stuff wow me too

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you know you told me I was still like in Davos Boots wow well um Elena where do you find your

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inspiration for your works where do you find inspiration for your works that's an interesting question

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yeah and I wanted to say if you could collaborate with any artist in the history of like the world

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who would it be and why that's two questions okay I find the inspiration in nature and in

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like two areas that give me most of the inspiration so I like to paint to draw and paint birds and

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some kinds of animals which for me means something and maybe just I like them so if I don't have a

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specific topic I probably will draw some bird and I have a lot of them already so it's like the go-to

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topic but also I when I'm thinking about like the beauty standards about how we as women are perceived

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and about the expectations we put on ourselves so that's another big topic which often appears in

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my art and I made a few works which are like women bodies in the way that I see that we are beautiful

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and we are imperfect every one of us and we are different but that's the perfection in the

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imperfection and so that's another topic which which I often draw and yeah that's it and about

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the second question of yours it's a difficult one because I have a lot of friends in the space and

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I admire a lot of people in this space and I see a different ways to collaborate

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I remember we were talking even with Aida down there that we could possibly make a collaboration

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with me drawing something on her work so I would still be very happy to do that and also like

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honestly so many people I don't have anything planned like anything specific but to me I think

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it's interesting to try maybe something like if a person is for example able to do AI video and I

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provide art and they make video or vice versa to draw from someone reference photography reference

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that is very interesting to me as well

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that's really cool actually maybe one day we should collaborate because it's really nice I can

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brag to people that somebody that I just looked so hands through something I photographed that I took

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look it's really cool what do you think that's actually really cool I'm still stunned honestly

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that you can draw with two hands I don't think I'll get over it and I feel like I would brag

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in all life that wow I met somebody that can draw with two hands her name is Elena and wow I have

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the video itself even before I even got on the space with you um when I saw the video you like

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put when I got on the space with you I saw the video you put of the dog I had to show my little

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brother I was like wow that this lady can draw with two of her hands like it's not cool so well

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I am a fan you have a fan that's all I can say and yeah I have another question though

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what's one challenge that you'd like to attempt as an ambidextrous artist was like a challenge you

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want to like embark on in the nearest future so my art is usually very minimalist and I don't really

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do shading in the art and first of all because it takes quite a lot of time and it's not really

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interesting thing to do for me like to even to do textures or drawings but I'm trying to be more

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patient and like if you swipe to the llama artwork there is quite a lot of texture in it

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and this is what I'm challenging myself to do not to just create a minimalist art but to give it more

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detail and to try to shade or to do this strokes equally like equally pretty I don't know if you

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can say that of shading but I guess you probably know what I mean just like to make those tiny

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hand movements maybe not so exhausting for myself because that really takes a lot of time and when

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you are when I'm thinking that okay I just started filling in the fur on its forehead and I have the

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whole more for it to go through with just making these movements and I'm getting tired and I'm

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thinking oh my god and if I mess up I have to start this from the beginning and I really don't

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don't really like to do this texture but I like the outcome and I think that it gives the work

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a better look and it looks like more finished so I'm aiming for that and the thing is that

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when I'm drawing sometimes I cannot add to the ready picture like when I do the outline and then

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I fill in sometimes not because I need to plan everything step by step like from top to bottom

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and not to make the overlapping lines and stuff like that so it really needs a lot more

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planning before I draw and it is like next level difficulty of the work for me

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so that's what I'm aiming currently with it

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Thank you Irina. I want to go to like social media like what's your favorite social media platform

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for sharing your art and why?

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So my favorite is X because most of my community is here but also recently I started building up

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IRL more and these people are usually on Instagram so I try to post there as well but just to like

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fill my portfolio and build up some connections because I don't really sell much IRL right now

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and I need to finish my website I need to make the art available on web too maybe to

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bridge somehow like to have on the same website the physical shop and NFT and

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it's a lot of work so on Instagram I don't really aim at like growing my followers or something like

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that I just for now publish sometimes and connect with the people that I know and recently I returned

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to Firecaster and I have a lot of friends who left X and came to Firecaster and so it was really nice

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to reconnect with them and I'm trying to be active there as well so these are three platforms

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mainly I do have other ones but those are like once in a while

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okay so what are like the excited things you normally do in your social media platforms to keep

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your audience excited about your work?

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You know I'm just posting and trying to interact

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I have a very saturated life I would say and for me it's very difficult to be present IRL in my

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like in my life with making art with being present with my family with

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thinking about what I can do IRL like sometimes attending markets and being present on

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social media it is very trying and also as you know Vulkan I have Drip also I don't know if we

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can already say that it's social media platform or it is a marketplace or what is it but also I spend

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some time planning my drops for Drip House and honestly I don't really have nowadays like a lot

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of energy to make people excited I hope they see my art and they feel excited

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like I don't know I don't know what else I can do like I'm not really a huge entertainer I would

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I feel like what you do is really entertaining like for anybody watching you drawing this

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anybody watching you drawing with two hands like it's like it's exciting like I remember

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always kind of like watching your videos and I would be like wow this is amazing like this was

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drawn with two hands and it's yeah it's really entertaining it's one I love the way you use

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that video you take a view you take effective use of that video in your social media platforms like

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Drip and YouTube even even Instagram live yeah I think you do Instagram live too as well right

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I did a few times but not too many yeah like just the way you kind of like get people carried along

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with the way you draw it it's really amazing and you all do this particular type of speedy drawing

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and it's just it's just very exciting watching you do like draw those things very fast and you kind

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of like shade it as well you your while your hand is drawing some other parts of the shape you're

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drawing another part is kind of like shading I remember your your new collection on OpenSea

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yeah it's like I don't know if you have the videos of that but I used to see that like

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like when I started kind of like following you it was really interesting watching you do others

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I have a few collections on OpenSea yes they are like earlier ones and yeah I think I you need to

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renew them right I haven't been to OpenSea for quite a while but so referring back to that question

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that you said that how am I interacting I'm just trying to be present and check

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the work of the people who are in my community and comment and share and then I just share my art and

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I hope that the work that I invest in my art like the amount of my skill and quality of work that I

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try to produce is enough to keep people entertained thank you so much for the feedback and the

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feedback that you like watching these videos yeah I really try to keep them on point

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with music and speed and stuff like that

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that's really cool um it's been nice to hear everything you said today

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but there's one important question I want to ask what's next for you as an artist like are you

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working on any exciting projects you know or I know you said you work on your drop on drip

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and yeah you said you're a social media man I don't even know I'm actually new on drip

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but like what what are you working on currently what's next for you is there anything that's

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you know that will like I'm supposed to look forward to as your fan because I'm a fan now

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so if there's anything I hope you share with us except it's like a secret or something so

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on drip I start I'm starting from tomorrow the uh advent calendar type of drop so I will be dropping

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something interesting every day um it will be photography and my ambidextrous art and different

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other kinds of art that I produce because ambidextrous art is not my only style and

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I'm planning to to make a mix of of what I can do and publish it on drip in December

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and also I have a long project I have two paintings that I work on one of them is called

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ambidextrous it is a painting of toucans in the rainforest I'm finishing it I haven't been sharing

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it for quite a while and the other one is a painting with elements that will be made that I

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have already in a 3d paper sculpture they will there will be elements like heart and hands that

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are covering the heart and there will be the elements that are painted and the elements that

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I will write with my both hands on the canvas with acrylic markers and as I view this piece it will be

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a piece that empowers women and some kind of thing that I think about and

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and just I will be sharing it later I think it's not too deeply like structured yet that I can

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describe it and I would prefer to share when I have some results but that's something I'm working

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slowly because I was making those 3d parts and I was thinking about how to do it and I was thinking

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about making those 3d parts then it was sitting in the corner while I was doing my inktober and then

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I hope that I will have time for it

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Thank you Irina and yeah I love your the other parts of things you're doing like the

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this one I kind of like pinned up on on mallow like the 3d sculpture and then your photography

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it's lovely like like what is this painted with the I think you are kind of like depicting art

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So I use recycled paper from egg craters like egg boxes I think it's a good way to

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treat art like to make art from something that would be thrown away I really like this concept

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and so I make this paper mass which feels like clay a little bit and I make these sculptures

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then they become dry and lightweight and very steady and I paint them and in this way it becomes

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like a painting for me so it's like I'm painting but an object so

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not on canvas but on paper but it's a 3d paper I see it like this and so it's painted with black

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acrylic paint which is called blackest black in the world 2.0 it is it not consumes like what

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do we call it I'm not sure so it doesn't reflect light it is very deep black matte paint and then I

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put gold foil on it and in this way I want to connect my ambidextrous art which I love to draw

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on black paper with golden markers and sometimes I also use gold foil and this series of words so I

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want to make a connection of my 2d art to my 3d art so that in the colors it would be the same and

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probably like the theme sometimes is also the same in some collections so I try to make it

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a continuity of artworks in different media

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thank you Irina so if you have like any advice you would like to tell anybody that wants to try

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being ambidextrous like like just yeah to pick up the craft what would you what would you tell

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the crafts what would you what would you tell them I would I would suggest them to

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start with something very simple and symmetrical to try a continuous line art first with one hand

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then try to draw something with starting with the same point on the paper and then making the

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symmetrical movements with their hands and then practice it for a while like make it a daily

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routine spend five minutes a day doing this but during one month two months and then after two

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months to check the results I think they will be surprised

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that's also I'm actually very curious to try to see if I could be able to do learn that

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yeah thank you Irina um Kafani

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yeah I just wanted to say that I'm looking forward to Hard Drop and yeah I don't know

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have you created your Drip profile if you have please can you like share the link down below

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or something so I can like check it out and you know tip and you know thank you on Drip

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he gets it because I have like you can type in Drip sorry

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uh could you please could you please mute your mic yeah thank you it was echoing

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uh you can check umbi on Drip it's just four letters and you will find my Drip account

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okay I will definitely check it out and I'm like thank you on Drip I can't wait to see what she

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creates I will definitely be checking it out you know thank you like for you know everything on

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the space the advice and so it's really nice to get to know you get to meet you get to talk to you

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get to connect with you so it's really really nice and I hope we can definitely work on something

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in the future yeah thank you so much for the interview guys

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it was really pleasant talk and great questions

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thank you so we have come to the end of the interview with the ambidextrous artist Irina

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and um Tafany do you want to do on us okay um I don't know if you guys if anybody has a question

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for her if you have you know I'll just give you like one second to come up and ask if not

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yes if anybody have a question for Irina yeah request um yeah please come up

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okay wow I didn't okay okay we have a request

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hello Richie hi and thank you for bringing me up Irina I've always been fascinated by your work and

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and your courage and your strength and your tenacity and everything one thing I've always

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wondered in terms of your ambidextrous ability does that extend to other parts of your life

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do you use both hands for other things I don't know like I if I crochet for example crochet

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whatever yeah I don't hold the hook in my left hand no I do it like

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usual but um like for example I can brush my teeth with my left hand instead of my right hand

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or but like I don't really feel comfortable I think it demands practice like I cannot cut um

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and for example um cut apples or like whatever I think it's just the skill that you need to

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develop probably with different objects separately okay I should reveal I asked um in the past like

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I was a psychologist and uh universities spent a lot of time looking at brain functioning

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brain functioning and perception and and the only way you can really study brain functioning is by

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looking at people who've had injuries and and the scientific books are full of people have had

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injuries through sword fencing or any kind of industrial injury and they become amazing subjects

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for any psychology at anywhere in the world and everybody gathers around them as if they're the

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long lost friend and I'm just interested because it is quite a difficult thing but it is possible

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as you've proven and I think it's easier for some people than it is for others and you know in

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certainly in England in generations gone past if you were left-handed you were forced to write with

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your right hand that you know that's not a pleasant part of history but it was true and it was the

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case and so people had to adapt themselves for all the wrong reasons and so I know one or two

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people are ambidextrous but only for that reason because they were left-handed and they were forced

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in school to write with their right hand and it's tragic but that's what happened but I you know I

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will have every respect for what you do and for your talent whether you're right-handed left-handed

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or ambidextrous your talent is immense and I appreciate that respect you for it and thank you.

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Well thank you so much Richie and it was so lovely to hear from you today thank you so much for

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coming up and asking the question and always a pleasure to talk to you.

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Thank you Richie you know you actually shed light on something that I can relate to it's like as a

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left hand user like at some points in my life like I was making use of my right hand and then before

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I started using my left hand and everybody kind of like settled on that but yeah I agree with

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what you say about like some people that's that's where kind of like left hand users kind of being

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forced to use their right hand for some specific reasons and then yeah I just really resonate with

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that. Yeah I mean the whole world is designed for right-handed people you know trying to buy a pair

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of scissors for left-handed people is really difficult you know that better than anybody else

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Vulcan so and there are shops around the world that specialize in selling things purely for

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left-handed people but anyway you know that's challenge you've had in your life when you were

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obviously done very well and come through it. Yeah thank you. Yeah thank you for the question

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Richie and thank you for coming to the space it was great to have you and thank you Irina for

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being the special guest for today being the ambidextrous artist. I really loved the interview

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session from you and I got to learn a lot. Tafani.

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Well hi I'm Richie this is my first time meeting you on the space but yeah that was a really cool

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question you asked and yeah thank you for coming to our space Irina so I think it's Irina yes

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so it's nice to meet you talk to you and you know I hope we catch up soon and I hope to see you on my

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timeline. Yeah everyone the space has come to an end I'm Irina Kafani and you know Vulcan is my

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host and I'm the co-host and then we had Irina the ambidextrous artist on the space today and I hope

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we all learned a thing or two from all she had to tell us about what she does and yeah see you next

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week same place not the same time though but yeah same place thank you for coming bye.

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Thank you bye and don't forget to tune in to Art Unframed on Spotify, Apple Podcasts or wherever

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you listen to your podcasts. Have a lovely day.