Hello everyone, welcome to the third episode of Art Unframed and right here with me is a special guest
ambidextrous, she's ambidextrous, she's a multidisciplinary artist and she's Irina, she does magic with her hands
ambidextrous
Hello Irina, good evening, how are you doing?
Hi, I'm doing good, thank you so much, nice to be here and thank you for the invitation
Yes, nice to be here, what am I saying, it's nice to be here, ambidextrous
of course I'm going to be here, yeah thank you for coming to the space and being a special guest for
this episode, I would like to first start by getting to know more about you, so I'll first
start by asking you what inspired you to start creating art with both hands?
Thank you, first of all thank you so much for having me, I was an artist since
my childhood, I finished art school and painted oil and watercolor and
later I started as a watercolor artist in my 20s, started selling my work
through Instagram all over the world and my first order was to Australia and then it started somehow
to pick up I think in 2014 and so since then I was painting watercolor acrylic, doing some
craft also, so I was just exploring a lot of different art styles and basically if I had an
idea I was looking into how I can make it, so I had a collection of paintings on embroidery hoops
with crotchet frames and pearls and some different stuff, so in 2020 I was
experimenting with one continuous line drawing and I started with drawing on the iPad and also
on paper with the neuro graphics, it's when you just do scribbles and then color them and it is some
psychological art technique, so from then I was thinking if I can draw with one continuous line
because I remember when I was a kid I saw some video about an artist drawing a Snoopy, that cartoon
character with one continuous line and I was very impressed and never even thought that I would be
able to pick up all the details in the image without not sketching it before and just drawing it, but in 2022
after the neuro graphics, I one day was sitting and just started sketching with one continuous line, just some
abstract faces, like whatever, and then it was fascinating, it was interesting, I started doing this more often
I was posting those videos on Instagram and TikTok and I experimented a lot, like I was making those videos
every day and posting them and I started drawing many faces, so I understood that I can pick up
people's features on the face in a way that looks resemblance to the original, to the reference
with these continuous line portraits, I think because my drawings were based on simple shapes and
somehow I was able to cut off all the noise, like simplify the face to the simple shapes
and with one continuous line I was able to create a portrait that looked like the reference
and so this was my practice for quite a while, like maybe two months or three months of everyday drawing of that
and then one day I was just sitting there with my daily routine of this continuous line drawing
and I was like hmm, I wonder if my left hand is capable of anything at all and since this technique was already familiar to me
with one-hand drawings, I picked up the second marker and I just tried to do with my left hand the same
symmetrical line art that I was doing with the right hand, I remember just like as it was yesterday
it was some puppy face, like I was starting from the nose, then eyes, then cheeks and ears
and to my surprise, I was able to draw with my left hand as well
so awkward, I was not able to properly comfortably grasp the marker that I was using
and the feeling was like I'm holding for the first time, I don't know how to hold, I hold too stiff
like my fingers cannot relax, but that was a very fun experiment and the next day I tried again
and that's the way it went forward and I just started practicing every day and after a while
it became easier, so that's a very long story to your first question
Thank you Irina, you know like I never thought I was going to come across an artist I could draw with both of the hands
and you're kind of like the only person I've come across to do that and you do that really well
you know like I used to read about people being ambidextrous, like I knew or rather I heard
Leona Dudamwe, she was ambidextrous, so when I first came across your profile and then I saw
you drawing those figures with both of your hands, I was really fascinated, it's really nice
so if I were to, like is it something that you picked from childhood or like which particular hand is like your dominant hand among the two hands?
My dominant hand is right hand, I was trying to write with my left hand at school
so like as a bored child during the lessons I was trying to do something, it wasn't really any good
so I think it was like 20 years ago or something
yeah you know for me it's kind of like the other way around like my left hand is like my dominant
hand because I'm a lefty and when I try to kind of like use my right hand kind of like very very slow
so yeah it's nice to see you do that, I want to check in if Kafani is here, Kafani are you there?
Yes, Kafani is here, hi.
Hello Kafani, yeah so I want to see if you have some questions for Irena
um yeah I do actually like this is my first time ever coming across her profile one,
now I saw wow two hands hey good I'm impressed though because I can't I can't do anything with my left hand
my right hand is my dominant hand so I actually tried a couple of them to write with my right hand but
it's not as easy as writing with your left hand for you to draw I especially like the video of you
drawing that dog with your two hands so it's really really cool especially the like darker shade parts
like that's actually really cool um I don't know how do you like approach creating a piece using
your two hands like do you like is it like an every time scene or like you like sometimes draw
with one hand I don't know how do you just approach creating a piece with your left hand
creating a piece using your two hands and um what's like the most challenging part of being
and I'm like using your two hands to draw because I I'm sorry I can't pronounce what you are I'm so
so sorry what's your name can you pronounce it again? I'm the dextrous, Jesus, I'm the dextrous
okay okay what's the most challenging part of being an ambidextrous artist?
um thank you and yeah how do you appreciate it? yeah thank you sorry yeah thank you for the question
um the most difficult part is headache when I was first learning it so I was practicing
a lot every day but I couldn't draw more than like five or ten minutes because I started to
have headache I think it's like when you don't use your muscles for example I like to compare it with
the gym if you don't use your muscles and then you do like 30 squats or something like a plank
and the next day you will have pain in your muscles I think the same happens with the brain and
since we are not used to use both spheres like hemispheres of our brain I guess when you start
doing it it is tiresome and our brain is fragile so I'm not like surprised that it causes headache
but with practice I began to start feeling when like the next two minutes will be too much and I
learned to stop in time so I was just tired but nothing major and then gradually I could extend
this and now I am able to draw like about an hour in this style so it's like two three drawings
I was doing inktober with ink and drawing with two hands two deep pens and I was trying to finish it
in advance because I wasn't able to do everyday drawings so I was drawing like two three drawings
a day and it usually was one drawing for about 20 minutes and so it was like one hour or a little
bit longer for the three of them it's exactly what you pinned up on top vulcan so the two
three artworks no two artworks on the top the latest ones are from this october and they are
more complicated than I did before and they were like each one of them was like 20 minutes of work
of two hands drawing and it demands usually a lot of concentration and now I don't have headache
but it wasn't possible even a year ago so I think this is the most difficult part
and also the difficulty for me is that I decided not to make pencil sketches I think it's
more interesting and more challenging and looks clean when I just draw on the white paper or
like on black paper whatever but without making marks with a pencil so the difficulty here will be
to use eye measurement to create not just like some weird shapes or structures or
faces that don't look like anything but to make precise drawings or portraits or
what I want to express to look as if I was drawing like a usual to draw with one hand with sketching
with making pencil preliminary work so that is difficult as well sometimes I do one drawing
several times when I don't like the proportions I usually start again and do the same picture again
and that is challenging because sometimes I can spend the whole hour or like more just on one
piece so that's very challenging and to answer your question how I approach creation nowadays I
prefer making references with AI for example with Chai GPT creating AI pictures I describe what I
want and it gives me more more or less what I'm planning to draw for example like this
guy with the bird mask I was first asking the plague doctor in standing in the street but then
I was also asking for this dealer in the street in the suit and then I combined the two pictures
in photo editor and then I got the reference for what I was going to create with the plague doctor
being like a dealer and so it's I'm talking about the latest pinned picture explaining about it so
that was the process how I created the reference and then I was opening the reference next to me
and looking at it and drawing that I think it took two or three trials because it was difficult to
plan the shape of this figure and write in the bottles so I think that there were a few mistakes
and that and I redid the whole thing so yeah that's that's how I do it
yeah that's that's how I do it wow wow actually wow because I is actually it's actually really
cool that you actually overcame in as dead in this in a year because I think you said you said last
year so yeah so that's really really cool and then the approach of you know getting a reference first
so it's like a kind is still your original work you're drawing with two hands it's actually really
cool it's cool do you do you actually think that you drawing with your two hands faster than using
one hand to draw or is this slower because you said you're using like more percentage of your
brain and our brain is fragile and then the headaches this is actually faster what do you think
um I don't know look um at some point to me it is faster because yes I cover more details at the same
moment of time but with my one hand I just can sketch really very quickly so when I go for
example to urban sketching with the sitting outside and drawing the buildings or people I just sketch
really very quickly so I'm primarily just a normal like let's say normal artist normal person and I
and I most of my life I was drawing painting just using my dominant hand um so that skill didn't go
anywhere and I guess it's just um I was able to improve it as well with developing that two hands
drawing skill wow actually wow honestly welcome don't you wish you can draw with your two hands
I can't even draw like that let me know like I can't draw I'm just I'm really good at photography
but I I don't think I can draw I've tried shabbos for real I tried writing with my two hands but
I was just writing rubbish so no I can't really read my name with my left hand though
well I can't draw um um what do you think I think I can actually write the same thing if I'm if I'm
what if I'm working my two hands I can write the same thing or draw the same thing but I can't like
think independently if you know what I mean like what Irina said like it's like for art kind of
like train uh mind to work independently that is it's crazy I mean it's it's amazing so yeah just
if you know you I'm trying um and then have you actually met someone like you that draws with two
hands have you ever met like people that draw with two hands yes I did uh when I was drawing uh with
my two hands uh before NFT uh I think it was like up to a year before before I came to NFT so it was
2021 beginning of the year and I joined NFT in December 2021 um I was posting on TikTok and
uh I connected to a few ambidextrous artists I think two maybe and one artist was from England
he was able to draw like two separate like two different faces not even looking at it properly
I think so I remember his he was like hanging um the screen on his uh neck and it was hanging on
his chest and he was looking on it upside down and drawing um two faces of two characters it was
seriously also very amazing very different and we used to uh we used to chat and um like uh
make jokes with each other so this guy once commented on my post like I don't believe it's
both of your hands like he was making a joke because he obviously knew that that was me but
uh it was our way of um joking and he was like I don't believe you it's not your hand it's
it's the neck the second one must be someone else's and um to answer him I recorded the video
with my husband and um I tried to instruct to give him instructions what to do and uh
we were trying to draw the same thing with my I think with my left hand and with his right hand
to make it easier for him and it was hilarious and it didn't and uh I posted the video to the
response to this guy and we had some laughter um but then also in NFT I actually met a few people
who would also draw like this and uh I think maybe three or four and uh yeah so there are people I
think there are probably more because um I do believe that a lot more people are able to do
this but maybe someone didn't um explore his or her um like possibilities and um
you know I was making a workshop in my town um maybe like two months ago and uh there were
10 people and every one of them was able to draw something like we don't uh talk about the level of
artwork like we didn't um concentrate on that like someone our artwork was very realistic someone's
was not really very realistic but the fact is that everyone in this group managed to draw a few
um pieces using their both hands and also they were able to like communicate I gave them a
and also they were able to like communicate I gave them this experience of trying to instruct
the other person like the partner in crime let's say to instruct them to use one hand each like
coming from what uh we were laughing on tick tock with that guy I made an experiment from this
in the workshop and it also went really well um we had more time for expressing ourselves to the
other participant and we were able to communicate and make an artwork together with someone else so
I think it's possible I think people just need to try and maybe spend some time practicing but
I believe that uh we are like as human human beings as artists we are capable of this
So um Irina I do kind of like like one of those times when you've you were redoing your work like
you made a mistake was it a problem of um of one of your hand not cooperating to do exactly the
exactly what you wanted to do or how was it like uh sometimes yes uh so if I understand your question
correctly when I do mistake what is the reason is it right
no no I don't think that's what Vulcan is saying but I actually wanted to say that um
um if I want to kind of if all of you that would be like um what sorry sorry Kafani um I just wanted
to say like if I want to kind of like rephrase it would be like have you ever accidentally like
messed up a piece because one of your hand was not cooperating like does that happen um it happens
sometimes when for example when I draw with nip pens one of them can get stuck like it just um
the angle I guess of the pen can get stuck in the paper and it doesn't move smooth smoothly
and then I can put a blob of ink and spoil the picture like that happens uh but usually what I
consider a mistake and maybe someone else wouldn't but um so when I draw and I want this drawing be
resembling to the proportions of the reference and for example I mess up with
eyes position on the face let's say or on the shape of the body for me this is a mistake because I
want to see it in a particular way and I cannot like double tap you know uh like on ipad and
cancel the action I need to change um but also I guess it depends on my style really because
if I was drawing something more abstract maybe like I would use a lot more flow and I wouldn't
consider that a mistake it just like the proportion is like this but I tend to make my art more
realistic and that's why many times I need to redo something because I don't like the shape
okay thank you um tafani
yeah I wanted to say that I've actually like the way she described the um people that um draw with
their two hands like is like a whole village honestly and I've never met like in my whole
entire life I've never met someone like her so imagine if all of them came together because
apparently they're using more percentage of their brain than us that are drawing with one hand
so if they come together and want to take over the world or something like that I think it's
the world or something welcome I don't know I don't know it seems so a lot of people are using
more brain power than us but okay it just is actually really cool because there's this I don't
know if you guys have heard of this stuff the da Vinci codes that people are supposed to draw
with their two hands I used to play that game when I was younger and I used to wish that I could draw
with two hands and I used to be like are there actually people that can draw with two hands
I actually I'm still surprised though I'm actually still
I was that go through until I saw like Irina doing stuff wow me too
you know you told me I was still like in Davos Boots wow well um Elena where do you find your
inspiration for your works where do you find inspiration for your works that's an interesting question
yeah and I wanted to say if you could collaborate with any artist in the history of like the world
who would it be and why that's two questions okay I find the inspiration in nature and in
in humans so these are mostly to
like two areas that give me most of the inspiration so I like to paint to draw and paint birds and
some kinds of animals which for me means something and maybe just I like them so if I don't have a
specific topic I probably will draw some bird and I have a lot of them already so it's like the go-to
topic but also I when I'm thinking about like the beauty standards about how we as women are perceived
and about the expectations we put on ourselves so that's another big topic which often appears in
my art and I made a few works which are like women bodies in the way that I see that we are beautiful
and we are imperfect every one of us and we are different but that's the perfection in the
imperfection and so that's another topic which which I often draw and yeah that's it and about
the second question of yours it's a difficult one because I have a lot of friends in the space and
I admire a lot of people in this space and I see a different ways to collaborate
I remember we were talking even with Aida down there that we could possibly make a collaboration
with me drawing something on her work so I would still be very happy to do that and also like
honestly so many people I don't have anything planned like anything specific but to me I think
it's interesting to try maybe something like if a person is for example able to do AI video and I
provide art and they make video or vice versa to draw from someone reference photography reference
that is very interesting to me as well
that's really cool actually maybe one day we should collaborate because it's really nice I can
brag to people that somebody that I just looked so hands through something I photographed that I took
look it's really cool what do you think that's actually really cool I'm still stunned honestly
that you can draw with two hands I don't think I'll get over it and I feel like I would brag
in all life that wow I met somebody that can draw with two hands her name is Elena and wow I have
the video itself even before I even got on the space with you um when I saw the video you like
put when I got on the space with you I saw the video you put of the dog I had to show my little
brother I was like wow that this lady can draw with two of her hands like it's not cool so well
I am a fan you have a fan that's all I can say and yeah I have another question though
what's one challenge that you'd like to attempt as an ambidextrous artist was like a challenge you
want to like embark on in the nearest future so my art is usually very minimalist and I don't really
do shading in the art and first of all because it takes quite a lot of time and it's not really
interesting thing to do for me like to even to do textures or drawings but I'm trying to be more
patient and like if you swipe to the llama artwork there is quite a lot of texture in it
and this is what I'm challenging myself to do not to just create a minimalist art but to give it more
detail and to try to shade or to do this strokes equally like equally pretty I don't know if you
can say that of shading but I guess you probably know what I mean just like to make those tiny
hand movements maybe not so exhausting for myself because that really takes a lot of time and when
you are when I'm thinking that okay I just started filling in the fur on its forehead and I have the
whole more for it to go through with just making these movements and I'm getting tired and I'm
thinking oh my god and if I mess up I have to start this from the beginning and I really don't
don't really like to do this texture but I like the outcome and I think that it gives the work
a better look and it looks like more finished so I'm aiming for that and the thing is that
when I'm drawing sometimes I cannot add to the ready picture like when I do the outline and then
I fill in sometimes not because I need to plan everything step by step like from top to bottom
and not to make the overlapping lines and stuff like that so it really needs a lot more
planning before I draw and it is like next level difficulty of the work for me
so that's what I'm aiming currently with it
Thank you Irina. I want to go to like social media like what's your favorite social media platform
for sharing your art and why?
So my favorite is X because most of my community is here but also recently I started building up
IRL more and these people are usually on Instagram so I try to post there as well but just to like
fill my portfolio and build up some connections because I don't really sell much IRL right now
and I need to finish my website I need to make the art available on web too maybe to
bridge somehow like to have on the same website the physical shop and NFT and
it's a lot of work so on Instagram I don't really aim at like growing my followers or something like
that I just for now publish sometimes and connect with the people that I know and recently I returned
to Firecaster and I have a lot of friends who left X and came to Firecaster and so it was really nice
to reconnect with them and I'm trying to be active there as well so these are three platforms
mainly I do have other ones but those are like once in a while
okay so what are like the excited things you normally do in your social media platforms to keep
your audience excited about your work?
You know I'm just posting and trying to interact
I have a very saturated life I would say and for me it's very difficult to be present IRL in my
like in my life with making art with being present with my family with
thinking about what I can do IRL like sometimes attending markets and being present on
social media it is very trying and also as you know Vulkan I have Drip also I don't know if we
can already say that it's social media platform or it is a marketplace or what is it but also I spend
some time planning my drops for Drip House and honestly I don't really have nowadays like a lot
of energy to make people excited I hope they see my art and they feel excited
like I don't know I don't know what else I can do like I'm not really a huge entertainer I would
I wouldn't say that
I feel like what you do is really entertaining like for anybody watching you drawing this
anybody watching you drawing with two hands like it's like it's exciting like I remember
always kind of like watching your videos and I would be like wow this is amazing like this was
drawn with two hands and it's yeah it's really entertaining it's one I love the way you use
that video you take a view you take effective use of that video in your social media platforms like
Drip and YouTube even even Instagram live yeah I think you do Instagram live too as well right
I did a few times but not too many yeah like just the way you kind of like get people carried along
with the way you draw it it's really amazing and you all do this particular type of speedy drawing
and it's just it's just very exciting watching you do like draw those things very fast and you kind
of like shade it as well you your while your hand is drawing some other parts of the shape you're
drawing another part is kind of like shading I remember your your new collection on OpenSea
yeah it's like I don't know if you have the videos of that but I used to see that like
like when I started kind of like following you it was really interesting watching you do others
I have a few collections on OpenSea yes they are like earlier ones and yeah I think I you need to
renew them right I haven't been to OpenSea for quite a while but so referring back to that question
that you said that how am I interacting I'm just trying to be present and check
the work of the people who are in my community and comment and share and then I just share my art and
I hope that the work that I invest in my art like the amount of my skill and quality of work that I
try to produce is enough to keep people entertained thank you so much for the feedback and the
feedback that you like watching these videos yeah I really try to keep them on point
with music and speed and stuff like that
that's really cool um it's been nice to hear everything you said today
but there's one important question I want to ask what's next for you as an artist like are you
working on any exciting projects you know or I know you said you work on your drop on drip
and yeah you said you're a social media man I don't even know I'm actually new on drip
but like what what are you working on currently what's next for you is there anything that's
you know that will like I'm supposed to look forward to as your fan because I'm a fan now
so if there's anything I hope you share with us except it's like a secret or something so
on drip I start I'm starting from tomorrow the uh advent calendar type of drop so I will be dropping
something interesting every day um it will be photography and my ambidextrous art and different
other kinds of art that I produce because ambidextrous art is not my only style and
I'm planning to to make a mix of of what I can do and publish it on drip in December
and also I have a long project I have two paintings that I work on one of them is called
ambidextrous it is a painting of toucans in the rainforest I'm finishing it I haven't been sharing
it for quite a while and the other one is a painting with elements that will be made that I
have already in a 3d paper sculpture they will there will be elements like heart and hands that
are covering the heart and there will be the elements that are painted and the elements that
I will write with my both hands on the canvas with acrylic markers and as I view this piece it will be
a piece that empowers women and some kind of thing that I think about and
and just I will be sharing it later I think it's not too deeply like structured yet that I can
describe it and I would prefer to share when I have some results but that's something I'm working
slowly because I was making those 3d parts and I was thinking about how to do it and I was thinking
about making those 3d parts then it was sitting in the corner while I was doing my inktober and then
I hope that I will have time for it
Thank you Irina and yeah I love your the other parts of things you're doing like the
this one I kind of like pinned up on on mallow like the 3d sculpture and then your photography
it's lovely like like what is this painted with the I think you are kind of like depicting art
So I use recycled paper from egg craters like egg boxes I think it's a good way to
treat art like to make art from something that would be thrown away I really like this concept
and so I make this paper mass which feels like clay a little bit and I make these sculptures
then they become dry and lightweight and very steady and I paint them and in this way it becomes
like a painting for me so it's like I'm painting but an object so
not on canvas but on paper but it's a 3d paper I see it like this and so it's painted with black
acrylic paint which is called blackest black in the world 2.0 it is it not consumes like what
do we call it I'm not sure so it doesn't reflect light it is very deep black matte paint and then I
put gold foil on it and in this way I want to connect my ambidextrous art which I love to draw
on black paper with golden markers and sometimes I also use gold foil and this series of words so I
want to make a connection of my 2d art to my 3d art so that in the colors it would be the same and
probably like the theme sometimes is also the same in some collections so I try to make it
a continuity of artworks in different media
thank you Irina so if you have like any advice you would like to tell anybody that wants to try
being ambidextrous like like just yeah to pick up the craft what would you what would you tell
the crafts what would you what would you tell them I would I would suggest them to
start with something very simple and symmetrical to try a continuous line art first with one hand
then try to draw something with starting with the same point on the paper and then making the
symmetrical movements with their hands and then practice it for a while like make it a daily
routine spend five minutes a day doing this but during one month two months and then after two
months to check the results I think they will be surprised
that's also I'm actually very curious to try to see if I could be able to do learn that
yeah thank you Irina um Kafani
yeah I just wanted to say that I'm looking forward to Hard Drop and yeah I don't know
have you created your Drip profile if you have please can you like share the link down below
or something so I can like check it out and you know tip and you know thank you on Drip
he gets it because I have like you can type in Drip sorry
uh could you please could you please mute your mic yeah thank you it was echoing
uh you can check umbi on Drip it's just four letters and you will find my Drip account
okay I will definitely check it out and I'm like thank you on Drip I can't wait to see what she
creates I will definitely be checking it out you know thank you like for you know everything on
the space the advice and so it's really nice to get to know you get to meet you get to talk to you
get to connect with you so it's really really nice and I hope we can definitely work on something
in the future yeah thank you so much for the interview guys
it was really pleasant talk and great questions
thank you so we have come to the end of the interview with the ambidextrous artist Irina
and um Tafany do you want to do on us okay um I don't know if you guys if anybody has a question
for her if you have you know I'll just give you like one second to come up and ask if not
yes if anybody have a question for Irina yeah request um yeah please come up
okay wow I didn't okay okay we have a request
hello Richie hi and thank you for bringing me up Irina I've always been fascinated by your work and
and your courage and your strength and your tenacity and everything one thing I've always
wondered in terms of your ambidextrous ability does that extend to other parts of your life
do you use both hands for other things I don't know like I if I crochet for example crochet
whatever yeah I don't hold the hook in my left hand no I do it like
usual but um like for example I can brush my teeth with my left hand instead of my right hand
or but like I don't really feel comfortable I think it demands practice like I cannot cut um
and for example um cut apples or like whatever I think it's just the skill that you need to
develop probably with different objects separately okay I should reveal I asked um in the past like
I was a psychologist and uh universities spent a lot of time looking at brain functioning
brain functioning and perception and and the only way you can really study brain functioning is by
looking at people who've had injuries and and the scientific books are full of people have had
injuries through sword fencing or any kind of industrial injury and they become amazing subjects
for any psychology at anywhere in the world and everybody gathers around them as if they're the
long lost friend and I'm just interested because it is quite a difficult thing but it is possible
as you've proven and I think it's easier for some people than it is for others and you know in
certainly in England in generations gone past if you were left-handed you were forced to write with
your right hand that you know that's not a pleasant part of history but it was true and it was the
case and so people had to adapt themselves for all the wrong reasons and so I know one or two
people are ambidextrous but only for that reason because they were left-handed and they were forced
in school to write with their right hand and it's tragic but that's what happened but I you know I
will have every respect for what you do and for your talent whether you're right-handed left-handed
or ambidextrous your talent is immense and I appreciate that respect you for it and thank you.
Well thank you so much Richie and it was so lovely to hear from you today thank you so much for
coming up and asking the question and always a pleasure to talk to you.
Thank you Richie you know you actually shed light on something that I can relate to it's like as a
left hand user like at some points in my life like I was making use of my right hand and then before
I started using my left hand and everybody kind of like settled on that but yeah I agree with
what you say about like some people that's that's where kind of like left hand users kind of being
forced to use their right hand for some specific reasons and then yeah I just really resonate with
that. Yeah I mean the whole world is designed for right-handed people you know trying to buy a pair
of scissors for left-handed people is really difficult you know that better than anybody else
Vulcan so and there are shops around the world that specialize in selling things purely for
left-handed people but anyway you know that's challenge you've had in your life when you were
obviously done very well and come through it. Yeah thank you. Yeah thank you for the question
Richie and thank you for coming to the space it was great to have you and thank you Irina for
being the special guest for today being the ambidextrous artist. I really loved the interview
session from you and I got to learn a lot. Tafani.
Well hi I'm Richie this is my first time meeting you on the space but yeah that was a really cool
question you asked and yeah thank you for coming to our space Irina so I think it's Irina yes
so it's nice to meet you talk to you and you know I hope we catch up soon and I hope to see you on my
timeline. Yeah everyone the space has come to an end I'm Irina Kafani and you know Vulcan is my
host and I'm the co-host and then we had Irina the ambidextrous artist on the space today and I hope
we all learned a thing or two from all she had to tell us about what she does and yeah see you next
week same place not the same time though but yeah same place thank you for coming bye.
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