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Hello everyone, welcome to Art Unframed episode 1.

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This is the first podcast episode and I'm going to be talking about different topics

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that have to do with Web3, Arts and NFT.

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And today I'm talking about collaboration over competition.

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And right here with me is Sierra and Static Motion.

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Sierra is the curator for Itan World and we have Static Motion, the curator for SolSixNine.

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the artist collective and we'll be talking more about that in relation with the topic.

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So, good morning Sierra.

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Good morning, happy weekend.

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Happy weekend, how are you doing?

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I'm doing well.

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I have been moving into a new space the last day which has been very tiring so I'm looking

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forward to hopefully relaxing some this weekend.

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How are you doing?

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What's up with you?

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I'm doing great.

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I'm just kind of like, the weekend is ending and everything is kind of like 4pm here but

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yeah, it's a great way to end the day.

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4pm on a Saturday and your weekend is ending, you must be getting old, huh?

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I don't really go out much.

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I feel you, me either.

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Yeah.

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So, what have you been up to, I mean today?

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Just situating my new apartment, trying to put everything in its place.

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I just had my breakfast.

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It's only 11am here, I'm in New York.

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I had a bagel and some coffee, it was delicious.

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A bagel is like a New York staple.

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Like if you're a New Yorker, bagels and pizza are essential.

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That's great.

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Actually, I've been, today I just kind of like was co-hosting a space for a bit and

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then I went to charge my devices so that I can be kind of like ready for the space and

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everything.

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Where are you in Nigeria?

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Lagos.

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Lagos, okay.

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How's your electricity been?

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It's good, it's good.

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Compared to some places, it's good.

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I don't really make use of generator or anything.

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I love that for you.

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Fantastic, that means our space won't be interrupted.

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Yeah, you can be sure about that.

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I want to say hi to SolSixnine, Static, how are you doing?

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Good, welcome to Lagos.

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I'm doing great, yeah.

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Happy weekends.

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How are you doing?

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I didn't understand you from your children.

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No, no, no.

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They luckily, they had some things to do today that was outside of my realm of normally needing

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to be involved.

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So we're good.

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I've got a few hours here actually to get done things around the house and get caught

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up on some work.

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So it's all good, it's going to be a good Saturday, a productive Saturday for sure.

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I would like to first introduce myself, Vulkan.

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I'm an artist from West Africa, Nigeria and I'm the host for Art on Front.

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Yeah, so today I want to kind of like start with like a couple of questions.

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So Sierra, you're an artist, you're also like a curator and everything.

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I wanted to start with how Itan World started, like the origin of Itan World.

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Can you talk about it?

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Sure, I'm happy to.

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So Itan was created at the end of August, early September last year, 2023.

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It's interesting because I didn't even set out on a mission to create Itan.

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I am an artist and I had like my first few series of like big sales in the space.

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And like many of us do when we have Ethereum to spend, we make like a show thread.

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So I made this post and I was like, I have this money to spend, I want to buy some art,

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show me your art.

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And I got so many responses, obviously way more responses than I could actually buy.

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But through that post, I bought some awesome art and I had so many responses from Nigerian

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and West African artists, so many.

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And then something just kind of clicked in my head and I was like, why aren't these,

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first of all, why aren't these artists, like why have I never seen some of this work before?

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Why is it not like visible and elevated and appreciated in the space?

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And why haven't these artists from this small geographic area come together to create a

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community to help each other spread awareness about their culture and the art that they're

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So that was what happened at the end of August, it was around my birthday.

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I'm a Virgo and I actually share a birthday with a Nigerian friend who's a musician.

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His name is Jinmi Abdulls.

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And I asked him, I was like, I have all these awesome Nigerian artists that responded to

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my post.

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Can you help me go through the responses to this and curate an exhibition from it that's

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just Nigerian and West African art?

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And he said yes, and together from, I don't know, I think we had probably over 150 West

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African artists that responded.

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We ended up selecting 47 artists that made up the initial Itan exhibition that we called

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Cohort One that we released at the end of that year.

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The other kind of personal connection in terms of why I have interest in West African art,

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as I mentioned, I'm from New York.

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I am like the quintessential New York combination.

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My dad is African American and my mom is Puerto Rican and Italian.

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My mom being Puerto Rican and Italian, I feel very close to those cultures.

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My grandpa was born in Puerto Rico, my great grandmother was born in Italy.

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My mom makes food from both cultures.

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But as many Black people know here in America, due to the nature of how we got here, there's

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a disconnection from our African heritage.

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And a lot of us just either don't know where we came from or don't understand the roots

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of our African culture.

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So through, God, this last few years, I discovered through ancestry and DNA testing, which is

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widely available and pretty damn accurate, that I'm not just from anywhere in Africa.

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I'm from West Africa and specifically Nigeria and that my ancestors are Yoruba.

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And Itan is a Yoruba word for story or history, which I felt was fitting considering the fact

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that we're amplifying the culture.

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So internally too, I felt like it was like a self discovery and like just like a reconnecting

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with a part of my heritage that I felt disconnected from for a long time.

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So that's the story of how Itan came to be and now we're almost 200 artists.

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Yeah, that is amazing.

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You know, I'm actually kind of like really curious how you've been able to manage that

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amount of artists, like 200 artists in one group and everything.

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How were you able to manage that?

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Like what were the challenges?

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I mean, the biggest challenge is that I'm only one person and I'm not going to lie though.

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Like I have an incredible team, but there's only so much we can do even as just a few

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people.

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Like we have a chief of staff, Gideon, who's in Ghana, who's incredibly helpful.

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We have a social media manager and graphic designer, Astro, who's in Lagos.

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We have a creative director, Jay, who's in Lagos, but still just between the four of

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us, it's a lot to do.

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So the biggest challenge is just like, I can't always be immediately available for everyone

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who needs help or direction.

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But the great thing about there being so many people in the community is that the artists

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are very good at helping each other.

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And I always encourage the artists, like we have a group chat that has everyone in the

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chat and I'm like, if you're struggling with something, if you need help, if you don't

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know how to do something, of course you can come to me.

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But if I'm not getting back to you quick enough, like go to the chat, like ask the community

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and they're really good about helping each other and pointing each other in the right

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direction.

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So Nigerians are just hilarious.

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So that chat is just unhinged and ridiculous and just very entertaining for all of us.

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I'm going back to that.

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Speaking of like the number of artists that are in the collective, I feel like I say 97%

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are Nigerians and then we have artists from Cameroon and other parts of West Africa.

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Have you been able to kind of like find artists from other regions apart from Nigeria?

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You're correct.

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It is mostly Nigerians.

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We do have, we have a few artists from Cameroon.

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We have a few artists from Benin.

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I'm actually working with a Cameroonian artist on an exhibition that'll open within the next

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month.

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Everyone is welcome for, well, not for some reason, for obvious reasons.

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One of them being that the local currency in Nigeria, Naira, has lost a lot of value

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over the last few years.

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Nigerians are very crypto forward and Nigeria is very, despite the government not giving

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it its blessing, many Nigerians either trade cryptocurrency in hopes of making US dollars

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or pounds or some other currency that's more valuable than their own.

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Or many Nigerians are creatively talented in some way, either making visual art, music

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and use the blockchain as a way to monetize their creativity.

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I'm not saying that the neighboring countries don't have these same issues, but Nigeria

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does kind of have a unique set of challenges in terms of what makes it more appealing to

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Nigerians, I think, than other West Africans.

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But we are actively looking for more West African artists from neighboring countries.

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So please, if you know someone in Benin, Cameroon, any of the neighboring countries, send them

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my way.

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We'd love to have them.

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Thank you for sharing about the origin, Sierra.

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I still have like more questions, but I want to first say hi to Kafany.

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I just push off, she's the co-host for today.

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Hello, Kafani.

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Hi, Vulcan.

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Hi, Sierra.

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Hi.

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𝐒𝐨𝐥𝐒𝐢𝐱𝐍𝐢𝐧𝐞.

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Hi, everybody.

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Hope you guys are doing well today.

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I'm Kafany from Nigeria, Vulkan's co-host.

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But today, nice to have you guys here.

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Thank you, Kafani.

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Tell everyone about yourself so we can go forward.

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Okay, about myself.

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I don't know about myself.

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Okay.

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I am Kafany, a Nigerian-based or Nigerian photographer, creative director.

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I just like taking photographs and I enjoy it as my hobby.

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I'm currently exploring a lot of things right now.

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Oh, yes, I'm a college student too.

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Yeah, that's basically what I am.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I'm so shy to talk about myself right now.

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But yeah, I'm part of Sierra's Itan world and that's where I met Vulcan and Adam and

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other amazing creatives.

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Yeah, that's just basically who I am.

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Thank you guys for coming on.

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Yeah, basically.

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Thank you, Kafani.

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Yes, Kafani is not shy.

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Let's continue this space.

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You will see.

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They're going to see.

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So, Static, can you tell us about the origin of Solsixnine?

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Like, tell us how it started?

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Sure.

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Sure. Yeah, so basically, right after Tezpole last year, there was a group of us that just decided that, you know, being on one blockchain wasn't really a solid idea.

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And, you know, that we wanted to try and explore and check out some other areas and just see how we could kind of like spread out our art a little bit and photography and things like that.

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So there was, there's about four of us that started. It was myself, Jimmy Albert, Claire Ujma, and Saeed Shah.

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So, basically, we just started like a little DM group, and we kind of like, just went over there and started talking about like how to, you know, break into Solana, and then, I don't know if you guys know Charlie, Deftoni, but he was kind of like our, I guess our in with Solana because he had been minting over there for a while.

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You know, back about probably a year or two ago and then, you know, he knew a bunch of people so we kind of just started connecting with people and then we kind of just started basically snowballing into a pretty large now DM group and then we did a curation with with Sol City, and that kind of, you know, spawned into the Sol 6.9 branding.

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So, it started as a joke, we ended up having like 69 artists that were all doing this curation because we opened it up and didn't like, you know, there was no like qualification and we didn't like gatekeep anything, we were just like whoever wants to come can come and it wound up that there were 69 of us that wanted to all curate so like you see some of us down there like you see Ada and, you know, Kadi and Liza and of course Vulcan here as well.

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And then basically we just wind up. Like I said we want to do in this curation with Sol City and I kind of assisted with that and then after that we just kind of hang out you know we're supporting each other.

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You know there's not like a, there's no leader like we joke around and we call ourselves like a cabal because basically it's like we just were like this chaotic symphony.

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And then at some point if you guys know see a sense she was like, she compared us to like a mix match mix match socks, and so that we're like a chaotic symphony of artists where like the only reason why we get along is because we're all so different and what we do but we all accept kind of who we are

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and what we want to do, moving into different blockchains and through whatever we do with our creativity so yeah so that's a little bit of the background. But yeah, so I'm Matt you can see my other profile that static motion but I've been around for a while, you know, so yeah, that's that's a little bit but, you know, like I said we're just we're having fun and we're sometimes doing our own thing and sometimes doing things together and I do a little curating on drip house.

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You know with some different artists and that's just another kind of way to try and bring some visibility to people with anything that we can do. So we're all we're all supporting each other.

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Thank you for sharing static.

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I do have a question on how do you normally kind of like vets the artists and the collective.

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So, I've been around for a little while and when I originally started with, you know crypto I started over on the BSC, and I just, it's like a toxic super toxic environment over there and it's just a lot of people that were flipping meme coins and rugs and like, I probably literally saw it all,

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but it's just, it was just a crazy, not so great area to be in I guess back in 21 so like when I came over and I realized like NFTs were like a completely different vibe and I, I've been, I was back then I was like putting some stuff on blockchain as an NFT just some photos.

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And then I found some different artists and different, like, NFC projects that I really love so anyway so I realized it was like a totally different, you know, vibe and world and then, you know, but because I've seen it all like I am pretty, you know, fluid and looking at the blockchain

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and, you know, seeing kind of what's going on behind the scenes and there's tons of stuff that you'd probably be shocked seeing so yeah like if somebody wants to join like as long as you're, you know, backed with integrity and you know you're, you know, going to respectfully, you know, engage with other people

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and you're a good person and you're more than welcome to join, you know, but if somebody throws a name in my direction and three clicks later I see, you know, watch trading and, you know, them buying their own pieces on the blockchain and doing some crazy stuff then I'm usually not going to be so willing to say

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hey welcome aboard right because, you know, anybody we put our names on is a reflection of us, so I'm certainly not going to ever, you know, bring people in that don't have integrity, I mean that would just be me losing integrity so that's kind of my stance on it but

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everybody's got their own way doing it and, you know, that's fine.

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Thank you. And this next question I'm going to kind of ask is kind of like for the both of you, like, what's a memorable moment that you kind of like remember from the early days of the collective like since you started it.

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I'll start with you, Sierra.

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What's the memorable moment to kind of like remember from eight onwards.

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Goodness is actually really hard to choose. I have like two things in my head that are kind of competing with each other. The first is the first time we had a physical exhibition in Nigeria.

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We had three this year in Abuja, and I just remember so much anxiety and stress leading up to putting it together especially because I'm so far away.

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And I just had to trust and rely on my team to like pull through and make it happen.

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And probably I see there's like I don't know at least eight people from our collective that are listening there are probably a few people listening that actually went to the physical exhibition in Abuja.

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The first one that we did was binary opposition, and we worked with countervail art gallery and it was a bunch of black and white photography.

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That was just like my first that was my first physical exhibition that I put together ever so like printing the stuff that goes on the wall and like making sure the little tags for the artworks were right like it was just, it was a lot.

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But it worked out and it came together and I was just I was it was such a sigh of relief. Once it was over and nothing went wrong and it and it looked good like I was just so proud.

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The other thing that comes to mind that's like competing with that moment is the first time that I had artists from Nigeria send me physical artworks to New York, either as a gift or as like a physical counterpart for a digital artwork that I purchased.

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It's really nice to observe art on the blockchain and like look at it on a screen when it's digital native I mean that makes the most sense because maybe there is no physical artwork that accompanies it.

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But for a lot of Nigerian artists specifically they paint they do work with pencil or ballpoint pen and seeing some of the works in real life just gave me a whole different appreciation for the level of craftsmanship so those moments come to mind.

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And of course there have been so many others that I can just keep listing and I'm sure lots of other memorable moments will transpire over the coming years but those are two that come to mind.

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I remember you really wanted to go to Nigeria, the time the exhibition was on, but you weren't able to go. Possibly when you get like the next exhibition, would you kind of like be available physically?

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I don't want to go. I went as far as booking my flight and my lodging and probably would have went had I not had my visa not been declined twice like it was just a struggle. It was so odd like I didn't.

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Nigerians have always told me it's hard to get a visa to go to other places but as an American I just didn't think it would be hard to get a visa to come into the country.

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But I think if that goes, maybe because it was my first time trying to go someplace that required a visa maybe I could have went about it in a better way but I don't know. I'm a pretty organized and detail oriented person.

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And I was like, what the hell?

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I was so pissed.

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So that was the main reason why I didn't come was because I didn't want to try and...

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People told me like, oh, well, you can just pay the customs agents and they'll let you

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in.

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And I was like, I'm not going to try and illegally enter a country, my first time going there.

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Last thing I need to do is end up arrested or deported or whatever the hell.

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So I just decided not to go.

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And also at that time in my life, I had a lot of just craziness in my personal life.

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I was separating from my ex-husband and that was like really stressful.

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And it was a trip that we had planned to take together.

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So it was like, the stars just didn't align.

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But I do hope that...

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We are planning another physical experience in Nigeria called Nija on Chain that we've

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been working on.

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That'll be more like a more like NFT MYC, like kind of like a Web3 conference situation

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with art exhibitions involved.

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And I do hope that it's far enough from now that I can actually get my visa and physically

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be there.

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That would be ideal.

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That would be awesome.

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I'm actually looking forward to it, like the next one.

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And I kind of hope it's in Lagos because that's where I am.

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I might be a little bit biased, but that's just it.

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Have fun.

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Yeah, I was also going to say, please, this is illegal, Ciara.

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Be cool.

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Be cool, no?

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Please.

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And it's not biased.

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Be cool.

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But Abuja people have been enjoying.

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It's our turn.

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Like, me people president should say.

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It's my turn.

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You are so funny.

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Okay.

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Make I come for Nija.

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Make I come for Lagos.

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Yes, I know.

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It's funny you say that because the person in Nigeria who's helping me find the venue

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has recommended a space in Lagos.

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We did the last three in Abuja, which as you know, although it's the capital, just doesn't

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expose you to as many people.

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So I do think it's more likely that the next event will be in Lagos.

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So keep your fingers crossed that we raise enough money and we can afford it.

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Yeah, don't you?

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We stay outside.

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We outside.

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Walk on.

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I'm just going to come find my outfit already because nobody can stop my shine.

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Oh my God.

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And I hope it just turns out very well because all your exhibitions have just been amazing.

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I could not make it to the past ones though, because I was having exams and some other

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things, but it's always fun to be a part of what you're building.

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Yeah, walk on over to you.

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All right, Satek, I do kind of like have that same question for you.

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So yeah, I hope you've thought of a memorable moment.

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Well yeah, I guess like the same thing.

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Like there's a lot of good memories and I don't know if I could pinpoint one, but I

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mean just thinking right off the top of my head, like some of the things, like obviously

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the curation we did when we first came to Solana was, it was awesome.

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And I appreciated everybody kind of trusting in what we were trying to do and to get some

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of the visibility that we were aiming to get.

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And we were kind of welcome with open arms.

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And I think that that was probably the best case scenario of how things could have possibly

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gone.

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And I think that I personally, I mean, I appreciate the people trusting that I wasn't going to

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completely screw things up.

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I'm like a super analytical and meticulous person sometimes to a fault.

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So like the group would always joke around and be like, I had spreadsheets that I would

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regularly share in the chats of where people were with their own open editions and the

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sale so that we could kind of keep focused on the curation itself so that we could continue

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to promote some of the pieces that hadn't sold yet and some of the ones that obviously

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had sold, kind of celebrate the sales that were happening and really just meeting new

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collectors and everything.

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So it was like, I think it was a really unique experience, something that I've not experienced

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before.

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So that's like a top memory.

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But like honestly, like I think daily, I mean, just the interaction in the chat is great.

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I mean, like, you know, I'm sure people are in different group chats.

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Everybody has like their little clicks and things that they go into.

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But you know, for the most part, like we are a very active group.

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You know, we are talking to each other like almost all the time.

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And it's not like everybody, you know, there's no like obligation.

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To be like, oh, you haven't talked in three weeks.

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You know, it's time to get you out of here.

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It's just, you know, you can come and go as you like.

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And people jump in occasionally and people then, of course, you have your people that

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regularly communicate.

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And, you know, we have our disagreements, just like everybody, which I think is also

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great because, you know, it's like I always joke like after like there's a real passionate

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conversation, I'll be like, you know, all right, who quit?

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You know, it's like you wait because you're like, all right, somebody's going to get mad

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and leave.

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Right.

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But like, really, no one does.

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I mean, people have come and gone, but not because of like something that we've necessarily

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disagreed over.

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Like, I think there was one that left actually to the left because of a disagreement and

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they both like huff and puffed and like left.

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But like, I just brought them back.

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It's like, like, stop being stupid and not leaving because they're active people, like

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they're active members.

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And then like, you know, they're going to disagree with each other.

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So, you know, they both they both came back.

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And, you know, like I said, that's fine, too.

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So yeah, I think that there's just so many, like I said, there's so many positive memories.

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Like there's one day where like Ada, just because I'm seeing her down there, like she's

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like, let's sell stuff.

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Right.

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And like all of a sudden she just starts like overly promoting like other people's work

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and like scooping up random pieces from people that are like part of our group.

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Right.

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And then like people started like, you know, overly supporting her work.

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And then we did like a countdown of like, who's going to, you know, sell out these pieces

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first.

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And I think that's like super it was super like spur of the moment.

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Right.

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And that stuff happens sometimes.

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Like, you know, like I'll be like searching through just, you know, random, whether it's

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Tezos on or whatever.

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And we'll see, you know, an artist that's almost like sold out of a piece.

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And it's just like one of those moments where you're like, I cannot believe that there's

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still pieces left on this edition.

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And like we'll post in the chat because there's so many of us like within like a few minutes,

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a lot of times, like the piece will be gone.

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And it's not and it's not us like organizing to like, all of a sudden, like jump on a piece.

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It's just like the reality of, hey, look, did you guys see this?

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Because I don't know how we missed it.

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Right.

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And then, you know, just by showing it to each other, because we all love to create

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and collect, it's just a matter of, you know, support.

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Right.

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And getting then something in our wallet that we love.

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So, you know, like I said, there's so many moments and memories and things like that

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throughout the, you know, the last year that I think it's unfair to pinpoint one.

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But, you know, that's just a little bit of kind of how I guess I, how I enjoy it.

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But you're free to ask them to.

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I mean, I obviously have some people down there and see what they want to know, how

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they enjoy it.

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Maybe after, you know, whenever you open this up.

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So I'm sure they'd love to talk to.

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Yes, you know, you're right about like, artists kind of like having some particular form of

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disagreements.

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It usually happens a lot in, especially in collectives.

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Well, so Vulcan, what do you like about being in that group?

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Right.

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Like, what's your highlight of the group?

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Why do you enjoy it?

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I really enjoy the group.

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Like, and that was kind of like the first reason why I kind of like picked the both

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of you because of the way in which you set an example in your collectives and how you

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kind of like put it all together.

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Very interactive and even up to a year.

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It's been a year now.

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It's still interactive.

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You, the both of you found a system to make it work really well.

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And you still, we still find a way to interact with ourselves and talk.

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It's not just about like sharing.

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Everybody kind of like finds a way to put one or two thoughts about how they feel about

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different particular type of topic on the group.

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So it's like, yeah, it's just a way to kind of like keep the conversation going.

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And at the same time, we've got like different activities going on.

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So it's kind of like puts like all the thoughts of like negativity and focus it on something

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else positive because it's what you're doing.

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Like in your example, you make use of Drip quite well.

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And yeah, the way you kind of like push and promote artists on Drip is really great.

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And Sierra makes use of foundation, remix and objects.

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Yeah, it's just really lovely.

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She also makes use of, yeah, she makes use of it.

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I'm still going to kind of like talk about by the way, Sierra, how do you, how do you

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kind of like do that?

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I just want to know.

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Like how do you, yeah, how do you do that?

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Can I say one more quick thing if you don't mind, just because I want to kind of wrap

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up one thing I was saying.

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And I'm sorry, I don't mean to interrupt you.

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Yeah, it's okay.

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I'll be fine in two seconds.

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But like, you know, I think one of the things too that I love is like, I don't, like I said

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before, like I joke, you joke about it being a cabal, right?

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But like we're talking about, right?

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Like even just to bring Drip back, right?

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So obviously there's been artists that have been curated there, but one of the artists

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had brought up like some of the one-on-ones that haven't sold and talking about some of

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the gumball options that are currently available in Mallow, right?

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And there isn't, you know, I know that some groups, right?

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Like they have like leads, right?

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Like people that are like, hey, look, you know, this is the management of whatever the

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admin or whatever you want to call it.

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But, you know, in that little side chat thing that we have from some of those artists, like

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I don't know anything about gumball, right?

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So like the first thing I did is like, because people sometimes will be like, well, Matt,

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what do you think?

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And I'm like, I don't know.

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Like you guys run this, like, you know what I mean?

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I just kick it right back and say, look, I love the idea, but it's not my idea, right?

435
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Like, this is where other people need to step into and like take some, you know, they take

436
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,840
that ownership, they take the reins on things.

437
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,880
And I think that's strength, right?

438
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:18,880
Like sometimes some of these groups fall apart because you have one person, well, if one

439
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,920
person is at the top and everybody else is quote unquote at, you know, underneath the

440
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,400
person, then, you know, if that person faults, then what happens, right?

441
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:27,400
The group falls apart.

442
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,680
But like when no one's at the top, like the group is strong because everybody has the

443
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:36,040
ability to speak and say and do right and they can, they can curate, they can jump in,

444
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,160
they can take ownership and take the reins anytime they want.

445
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,520
And I think that brings a lot of a lot of strength.

446
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,880
And it's not that people can't, you know, help with that, of course, and support that.

447
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,240
But like, it doesn't have to be me, right?

448
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:50,280
Like it could be anybody.

449
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,280
So that's anyway, I just wanted to kind of wrap up, but I'm sorry to interrupt and back

450
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:55,280
to you, Sierra.

451
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:56,280
Yeah, thank you.

452
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,400
That was really, that was really insightful.

453
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,800
You know, that's I agree.

454
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,000
I agree what you say.

455
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:09,480
Like, yeah, it's, it's, it's really, it's really lovely how you kind of like put everything

456
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:16,440
together in the aspects that it's not just kind of like focused on one person.

457
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:24,120
Because at the same time, there's nobody that's kind of like feeling a bit left out because

458
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:28,920
of what you do to kind of like carry everybody along.

459
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:34,840
So yeah, it's one of the things that kind of like keep collective together.

460
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:43,960
And in the aspect of, yeah, well, first of all, I wanted to add Sierra to this, but I

461
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,960
went on to the other.

462
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:54,120
Well, first of all, I'll start with this, Sierra, how do you kind of like, yeah, how

463
00:34:54,120 --> 00:35:01,200
do you kind of like resolve a particular type of disagreements of artists in your collective?

464
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:08,520
Because when you have like that particular number of people in your collective, at one

465
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:13,400
point in time, you might have like some points of disagreement, somebody is doing something

466
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:18,400
which the other one doesn't like, and then people trying to kind of like leave or something

467
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,320
because of disagreements.

468
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,960
How do you kind of like solve that?

469
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:31,040
Yeah, there are a lot of people in the collective in the room.

470
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:38,080
And I think most of us have witnessed like at least one argument or disagreement in the

471
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,120
group chat.

472
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:45,600
There was, I specifically remember one time maybe like seven or eight months ago where

473
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:51,520
there was a person in the chat who made an allegation about a big collector in the space,

474
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,400
but they didn't have any evidence or it was unfounded.

475
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,560
And there were a lot of people in the group that felt like maybe they had just made this

476
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,740
up or it wasn't true.

477
00:36:00,740 --> 00:36:07,120
And there was a lot of discussion around like, is this person trustworthy?

478
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:11,720
Are they just making up this story to get attention?

479
00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:14,600
So I think the first thing is just like open communication.

480
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:20,960
I think us having the group chat with everyone creates this channel where not only the team,

481
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:27,200
but the artists can like express their concerns, whether through a group discussion or regular

482
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,360
check-ins.

483
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,440
It also allows for like transparent mediation.

484
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:40,760
And when a conflict does escalate, there's neutral parties within the team that are there

485
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:47,580
to mediate and help facilitate a constructive conversation so that everyone feels heard

486
00:36:47,580 --> 00:36:53,160
and respected and we can reach a mutual resolution.

487
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:58,840
The other thing too, I think is just like, I don't know, trying to encourage people to

488
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:06,080
stay respectful of each other as the community grows and reminding everyone of the mission

489
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:11,280
of Ytan and how every person's contributions support the bigger vision.

490
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:17,720
I think that this helps like reframe challenges because we can keep in mind that as a community,

491
00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:22,620
we have shared goals and that we're looking, we're always looking for solutions that benefit

492
00:37:22,620 --> 00:37:26,560
the entire collective, not just one person.

493
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:32,920
Something that's come up a lot, not necessarily even as a conflict, but just like a pain point

494
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,600
has been just the changes with Foundation.

495
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:41,000
As you mentioned, Foundation is one of our major platform partners that we curate exhibitions

496
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:51,120
on and over the last five months or so, they've pivoted their resources and teams to Rodeo,

497
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:56,320
which is a kind of a social networking app, similar to Instagram, which doesn't allow

498
00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:02,840
artists to price their artworks or release one of ones or doesn't allow curators to curate

499
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,520
exhibition experiences.

500
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:11,800
So that had become a big concern and there was a lot of discussion in the chat about

501
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:16,600
should I burn my artwork or what's going to happen to the collective?

502
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,080
Are we going to move forward?

503
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,720
Do we still exist?

504
00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:28,440
And there just had to be kind of reassurance in terms of we have a plan, we're still moving

505
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,480
forward, have no fear.

506
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:37,960
Our success isn't contingent on just Foundation existing.

507
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:42,640
And I think it's important too to listen to people's concerns and if multiple people feel

508
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:49,680
like a platform partner isn't strong or doesn't value the community, even if I have good connections

509
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:54,600
there as a leader, it doesn't make sense to continue prioritizing that partner.

510
00:38:54,600 --> 00:39:00,280
So that being said, I think a lot of it just has to do with open communication, focusing

511
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:01,280
on the mission.

512
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:09,840
Also, like setting clear and respectful guidelines for conduct and helping people just again

513
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:15,720
by being a neutral mediator, following up, being accountable, regularly reflecting and

514
00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:17,440
adapting.

515
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:22,840
I think all of these things create a supportive and mission aligned process.

516
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:27,760
Thank you for sharing, Sarah.

517
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:33,120
Yeah, I think we have questions from two people.

518
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:37,920
So I want to first kind of like open it up for questions.

519
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,640
I'll first start with Mad Dog.

520
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:42,640
Yeah.

521
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,440
You have a question?

522
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,400
Yeah, can you hear me?

523
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,240
Yes, I can hear you.

524
00:39:51,240 --> 00:39:52,240
All right.

525
00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:53,240
My name is Eomjerad.

526
00:39:53,240 --> 00:39:56,880
I'm also an artist from Nigeria.

527
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,080
Thank you for this opportunity.

528
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:07,600
So I've been listening to this space and I heard when Sierra talked about the Niger Unchained.

529
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:12,880
It's really a nice idea and it's really something I've been looking forward to for Nigerian

530
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,440
artists to have.

531
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:22,640
So I want to just point out to Sierra that I am also the community manager of PPN Community.

532
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,000
If you check my profile, you also see the high tag date.

533
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:32,120
So what we actually do at PPN is like getting close to the artists themselves, having connection

534
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:36,160
with them, both online and in real life.

535
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:41,800
Like recently, not recently, right now we are hosting an AI film festival.

536
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,040
If you notice, I don't know if you see it on your feeds, AI film festival right now

537
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:46,520
going on in Arizona.

538
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:51,000
PPN is also like part of the sponsors for that event.

539
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:58,440
So I'm just trying to tell Sierra in case the Niger Unchained, when the event is actually

540
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:03,080
coming close and she's still settling things out, she can definitely reach out to me.

541
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:08,800
So I can reach out to the founder of PPN who would love to help in terms of sponsorship.

542
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:14,320
What we actually do is that when such events actually come, we help in sponsorship and

543
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,800
one of the community member goes to the event and get connection with the artist.

544
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,040
So I just want to point it out there to Sierra.

545
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,640
And yes, I'm also in touch with your assistant Gideon.

546
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:27,000
So I'll also reach out to him on WhatsApp and tell him about this.

547
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,520
That's what I want to point out.

548
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:30,520
Awesome.

549
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,880
Nice to see you here.

550
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:33,880
Hello.

551
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:34,880
Thank you.

552
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:35,880
I appreciate you.

553
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,080
I know that we've been in touch about a few different things over the last several months

554
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:43,760
and I know that you're in direct communication with Gideon.

555
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,740
So yes, please do continue to chat with Gideon.

556
00:41:46,740 --> 00:41:52,080
If you can, if you can send him any details as it relates to like what specific information

557
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:57,360
you would need about the event and such, he'll definitely be your best point of contact.

558
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,640
Thank you for making yourself available and sharing this information.

559
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,400
I appreciate you.

560
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,400
You're welcome.

561
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:08,760
Sorry.

562
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,160
Sorry.

563
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:11,320
Yeah.

564
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,320
Thank you, Marduff.

565
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:14,320
Yeah.

566
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,080
So we have another question from Luna.

567
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,120
Hello, Luna.

568
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:27,160
Hi, I was able to catch just the end and I was very excited for your space.

569
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:32,240
And just what I want to drop in quickly, if you need help, what I struggled with on these

570
00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:34,440
spaces is getting it onto Spotify.

571
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:39,440
So if you need help with the software, let me know and I'll help you with anything you

572
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,640
need to get these onto Spotify.

573
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,280
So it's a little podcast.

574
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,120
But I had a juicy question for Sierra.

575
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:48,920
Like I don't know much about running collectives.

576
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:53,800
I've run this sort of like DM rooms, but they never quite grew into collectives.

577
00:42:53,800 --> 00:43:02,720
But I was wondering, did you ever have like, anyone be so anti-social and so dramatic and

578
00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:04,840
shocking that you had to chuck them out?

579
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,760
Did you have anything like that ever?

580
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:11,720
I mean, you don't have to answer this if you don't want to, because it's a dramatic question.

581
00:43:11,720 --> 00:43:14,920
But I mean, what do you do in that situation?

582
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,960
Has that ever happened to you?

583
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,160
Oh my goodness, that's fine.

584
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:27,120
I'm laughing because like I said this towards the beginning, and I think this is well known

585
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:28,120
amongst Nigerians.

586
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:29,360
Like it's mostly Nigerians.

587
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,880
Like Nigerians are incredibly dramatic people.

588
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:37,240
So no one is getting booted because they're dramatic, because that would leave me with

589
00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:40,160
no one left in the collective.

590
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:46,600
And in terms of just like being absurd or being ridiculous, disrespectful, I mean, I

591
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,600
have to be honest, we have a really solid group.

592
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:54,800
I think because of the nature of the group that we had, like as I mentioned, like these

593
00:43:54,800 --> 00:44:00,520
are artists in a geographic region that don't have a lot of local opportunities and are

594
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:06,480
using the blockchain to find a creative way to monetize, you know, their art and their

595
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:07,480
skills.

596
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:13,960
So inherently, there's just a lot of appreciation and gratitude and wanting to be there.

597
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:15,600
There's a lot of positivity.

598
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:22,080
Very rarely do we have anyone who's just unnecessarily nasty or mean.

599
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:27,200
We have had people voluntarily just remove themselves from the collective for a period

600
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:31,800
of time, not necessarily because they were upset with anything, but just because life

601
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,080
became overwhelming.

602
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:38,520
Like we had one person who was pregnant and wanted to deal with their pregnancy and privacy

603
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:43,280
and asked to be removed from the group chats for a few months just so they could focus

604
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,520
on themselves and their health.

605
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:49,200
We've had people who have literally just said like the group chat is too overwhelming.

606
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:50,200
I can't keep up with it.

607
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:51,200
It gives me anxiety.

608
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:52,760
I don't want to be in it.

609
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,800
And I've asked to be removed for that reason.

610
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,060
But I am, I'm very grateful.

611
00:44:57,060 --> 00:45:00,440
We have a solid, respectful, encouraging group of people.

612
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:04,040
And I think that's just the nature of the culture as well.

613
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:09,080
Thank you for that question, Luna.

614
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,840
Yeah, it's a very good question.

615
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:16,840
And I would like to put that question out there to static as well.

616
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:17,840
Sure.

617
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:18,840
Yeah.

618
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:24,280
So we've definitely had people the same way that have kind of taken breaks and things

619
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:25,280
like that.

620
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:30,240
And we've absolutely heard the same comments about not being able to keep up with the chat.

621
00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:35,360
And my answer to them has always been like, don't worry about it.

622
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:39,400
When things are popping and moving, there's no way anybody can possibly keep up with some

623
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:40,400
of these chats.

624
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:45,960
Because we have right now, I think 121 or 122 artists, something like that.

625
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:46,960
So you just can't.

626
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:47,960
And they're all active.

627
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:49,920
I mean, there's not dead accounts in there or anything.

628
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,880
So you can't possibly keep up all the time.

629
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:57,320
But to the question of have you removed somebody, yeah.

630
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:03,480
I mean, there's definitely a rare situation where something pops up, like I talked about

631
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,400
before, where there's an integrity issue that's a play.

632
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:13,240
Or somebody kind of points out something that's just not something that jives with really

633
00:46:13,240 --> 00:46:15,400
anybody that should be in the space.

634
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,600
So and like I said, it's only happened maybe twice.

635
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:23,960
And in those two instances, I just booted them.

636
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,200
I mean, I don't need to ask questions.

637
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:27,200
And they know.

638
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:28,200
They know.

639
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:29,200
Right?

640
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:35,280
So there's really no way to keep that kind of toxicity around.

641
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:36,480
So it's just not good for anybody.

642
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,240
So yeah, we've had to remove a couple of people.

643
00:46:39,240 --> 00:46:40,240
And that's for the best.

644
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:46,840
I mean, in a particular type of scenario of, let's say, plagiarism or something?

645
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:47,840
Yeah.

646
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:54,840
So that's, you know, honestly, like just finding out that like they're kind of circulating

647
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:59,080
money through different means that really isn't buying art or collecting art.

648
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,040
It's more about like moving money around and things like that.

649
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:06,520
And, you know, they're just there's look, there's a there's a group of people that you

650
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,680
know in the space that just aren't good people.

651
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:13,640
And, you know, you can kind of like once you see somebody over interacting with those people,

652
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,640
like, you know, that like there might be something up.

653
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,720
But like I said before, I mean, you can usually see this stuff by two, three clicks on the

654
00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:21,240
blockchain to see what's going on.

655
00:47:21,240 --> 00:47:23,880
And once you see it, you just kind of kind of back away from it.

656
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,600
So that's that's my stake on it, at least.

657
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:31,160
But but most people, like I said, that this is most people are not like there's so many

658
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:32,160
good people.

659
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,920
So like, don't that's the very that's the exception to the rule.

660
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:35,920
Right.

661
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,320
But when it happens or if it happens, then yeah, you got to you got to part ways.

662
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:40,320
Right.

663
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,560
Because, you know, they'll be they'll be showing stuff in your in your group and telling

664
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,760
people to buy their art and maybe their arts to Vulcan's.

665
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,280
But maybe it's not even their art.

666
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:48,280
Right.

667
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:56,880
So you got to you got to exit that quickly.

668
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:57,880
Yeah.

669
00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:58,880
Thank you.

670
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,880
Luna, do you have another question?

671
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:02,880
Yeah.

672
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:04,880
Sorry, if this was already covered.

673
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,360
And sorry, I just got robbed.

674
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:07,360
My phone ran out of battery.

675
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:08,360
I'm on charge now.

676
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:15,480
But yeah, so if you're kind of starting collective, that's not just kind of a bohemian collective

677
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,800
like IRL, where you just meet and share art.

678
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:26,040
How do you kind of even get started to kind of do you start collecting people's work and

679
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,360
then kind of invest in it?

680
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:38,120
Do you need like how would you get started to do it on crypto?

681
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:39,120
I'll jump in.

682
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:44,760
I look so we were a very organic group of people that most of us knew each other beforehand.

683
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:49,760
So there wasn't like a collect here to get here or there's like there's no like obligation

684
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:50,760
to collect people's work.

685
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:51,760
Is that what you're asking?

686
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:56,360
Because I just want to make sure I understand the question first.

687
00:48:56,360 --> 00:49:05,760
Yeah, kind of like I'm wondering, like, can I just get cool people together and then see

688
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,320
how we vibe?

689
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,160
Or does it need to have more structure?

690
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:14,960
Like, I need to be kind of promoting them somehow, giving some kind of value otherwise

691
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,560
people get bored and leave.

692
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:22,960
Yeah, so I mean, look, I'm like sometimes hesitant to even say like we're collective,

693
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:24,920
even though I guess technically we are.

694
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:29,120
But like if you like look at the definition of it, but like, and that's why we like we

695
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,680
always joking call ourselves a cabal, right?

696
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:35,520
Because I don't want I don't like putting labels on things like, you know, I don't like

697
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:40,360
the whole like, where my hashtag and I'll buy your art or, you know, do this for me

698
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,320
and I'll do this for you.

699
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:46,120
And I just think that's like a shitty way to be.

700
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,960
So yeah, there's no like obligations.

701
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:53,920
And look, I think that we are probably like it is just a very organically formed group.

702
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:58,760
I mean, it's just like we all knew each other from like various different circles that we

703
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,040
were in or we were connected to people.

704
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:05,040
So you know, we were just kind of like people would DM me because I had like, you know,

705
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,440
the ability to pull people in and they'd be like, hey, I know this person from X, Y and

706
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:09,600
Z. Right.

707
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:10,800
And they're a good person.

708
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,560
And then I would just do a very quick overview of their account to make sure that nothing

709
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:15,560
looks weird.

710
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:19,440
And you know, that obviously that we're not pulling anybody in that's going to, you know,

711
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,080
be an integrity issue, like I said before, and then we just pull them in.

712
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:24,080
Right.

713
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:30,640
But because we do that that way, like it's not there's no obligation of anything, you

714
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,480
know, but you know, we all just support that.

715
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,520
I don't know how else to put it like, yeah, I wouldn't overthink it.

716
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:37,520
Right.

717
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,600
Like if you're trying to create a group of like people that are like minded to yourself,

718
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,920
then just create the group of people that are like minded to yourself.

719
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,400
Don't worry about putting a label on it.

720
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:45,400
Right.

721
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,560
Like the only reason why this has a label at all was because we did this curation and

722
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:52,160
just we all thought it was hysterical that there were 69 artists.

723
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:56,440
And then it kind of like formed into this, it's a this PFP in this account.

724
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,640
But it was like, as I made the account, I was like laughing, making it right.

725
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,720
And I'm like, oh my God, I'm like, we're the soul six nine.

726
00:51:01,720 --> 00:51:02,720
Right.

727
00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:04,680
And it's it's ridiculous.

728
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:09,680
And then, of course, I I'm just overly neurotic about things.

729
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,880
I'm like, well, now we'll make a website and I'll put all of all of the artists on the

730
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:13,880
website.

731
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:14,880
Right.

732
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:19,120
And like I posted up at the top, like I put I like sent every artist as part of our group

733
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:20,120
in a PFP.

734
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:21,120
Right.

735
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:25,080
And I don't know who's familiar with Solana, but if you're familiar with some of the things

736
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:29,480
that go on in Solana, you can you know that you can like literally put a piece of art

737
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:33,640
in somebody's wallet that they can't burn, they can't transfer it, they can't sell it,

738
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:34,960
they can't do anything for it.

739
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:35,960
Right.

740
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,520
And of course, if they want it moves like I moved it into their wallets.

741
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,920
But the reason why I did it was because I wanted people to be able to find good artists.

742
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:42,920
Right.

743
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,880
So like if you go to that link at the top that has the links from Solana, like you'll

744
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:51,400
literally click on those and it's going to take you right to the artists wallet that

745
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:52,400
are part of the group.

746
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:56,000
But not only are part of the group like they they're they're vetted for integrity.

747
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:57,000
Right.

748
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,720
And we're just as we can because no one knows for sure who somebody is.

749
00:51:59,720 --> 00:52:03,800
But you know that that's just another way to help to showcase people.

750
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,240
But I think we're all focused on stuff like that.

751
00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:07,240
So yeah.

752
00:52:07,240 --> 00:52:08,240
Thank you, Static.

753
00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:09,240
Sierra, you want to say something?

754
00:52:09,240 --> 00:52:21,680
Yeah, I just wanted to address Luna's question from kind of a different perspective because

755
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:29,680
it is a formal collective with a clear mission to elevate and preserve the voices of West

756
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:34,200
African underrepresented artists.

757
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:39,000
And for us, it is essential to offer meaningful value to the artists in our community because

758
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,720
it keeps them engaged and it helps them thrive.

759
00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:45,360
And there are a lot of different ways you can do that.

760
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:50,240
I mean, for some collectives, maybe it is just as simple as getting together in a chat

761
00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:53,240
and sharing each other's posts.

762
00:52:53,240 --> 00:52:59,040
We do value marketing and promotion for our artists because it helps them reach a wider

763
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:03,280
audience and connect with potential collectors.

764
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:09,280
But beyond that digital exposure, we emphasize curating their work for in-person exhibitions.

765
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:13,720
We have a show coming up in New York City where we're going to bring at least 10 of

766
00:53:13,720 --> 00:53:17,320
our artists into a new space and new community.

767
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:22,160
The other thing that's sometimes helpful is if your community is active on a specific

768
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:29,080
blockchain or marketplace, like for example, Soul6 is on Solana, them having a good relationship

769
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:35,520
with Soul City or the Solana Foundation might help them secure different opportunities for

770
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:36,520
their community.

771
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:43,460
So like Eitam being on Foundation, oftentimes we can secure homepage placement on our partner

772
00:53:43,460 --> 00:53:51,520
marketplace to help boost visibility for artists and make sure they're seen by the right audiences.

773
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:58,480
And the other thing too, you mentioned about being a patron of the artists in the collective.

774
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:03,080
If you organize a collective and you have the means to collect work from the group,

775
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:04,080
do you do so?

776
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:09,760
And I mean, I think it just depends on your values, your budget, obviously.

777
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:15,600
If your budget allows for it, I first entered this space as an art collector and I'm really

778
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,960
proud to be the biggest patron of our community at Eitam.

779
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:26,920
I've collected countless pieces that I don't own, that I've donated to a public Eitam gallery

780
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:34,060
wallet that just live there and can be observed and appreciated by anyone who goes and looks

781
00:54:34,060 --> 00:54:35,760
at what's in that wallet.

782
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,460
And yeah, I just think the collection is more than art.

783
00:54:38,460 --> 00:54:41,000
It's a testament to the talent and stories in our community.

784
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:48,680
And I think it's important as a founder or collective or community leader to ensure that

785
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:53,600
the artists you represent have the visibility and the support that they deserve, not only

786
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,240
digitally but also in real world spaces.

787
00:54:56,240 --> 00:54:58,920
So I just want to give another perspective.

788
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,160
And there are all different types of collectives.

789
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:06,040
You could start casual and then become more organized and more formal.

790
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:10,100
I think what's most important is that you don't burn yourself out and that it's always

791
00:55:10,100 --> 00:55:11,100
fun.

792
00:55:11,100 --> 00:55:16,240
Like once it feels like work and once it's tiring and it doesn't feel fun, you're definitely

793
00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:18,000
doing something wrong.

794
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,160
So just make sure you're always having a good time.

795
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,600
Oh, thanks for that, guys.

796
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:29,040
I hope I wasn't too off topic because I realized I wasn't here at the beginning.

797
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:36,920
So I'll give the reins back to the original space and hopefully I wasn't derailing too

798
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:37,920
much.

799
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,320
Yeah, thank you, Luna.

800
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:44,040
Those are really interesting questions to touch on.

801
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,280
And it was well thought out.

802
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:51,640
Do let me know if you do come up with any question.

803
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:57,600
Yeah, Kafani, do you have a question?

804
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:02,360
Kafani, are you there?

805
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,360
Kafani?

806
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:09,360
Oh my God.

807
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:13,560
I think she wrote.

808
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:19,840
Like going on the topic on being on different blockchains like Foundation and Solana.

809
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:29,760
Sarah, do you kind of like think about Etan going into Solana at one point in time?

810
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,120
I have thought about it.

811
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:38,600
To be honest, we're kind of, how do I say this?

812
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:42,080
So I curate exhibitions.

813
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:48,920
Etan thrives because the artwork is grouped together to be presented in an exhibition

814
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:55,680
in the way galleries and museums and institutions present exhibitions in real life.

815
00:56:55,680 --> 00:57:01,200
I'm not just randomly throwing together pieces I think are cool or picking a random piece

816
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,560
of art to post every day.

817
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:08,400
Every exhibition is thoughtfully curated, has a series of artworks that match a theme

818
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,160
or tell a story.

819
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:17,720
To be honest, we're very limited in terms of the technology and which platforms support

820
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,160
curation of exhibitions.

821
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:28,720
At this time, the most robust options that offer curators the ability to curate artists

822
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:34,800
and invite their wallets to mint artwork into an exhibition are Foundation, which supports

823
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:39,440
Ethereum and Base, and Object, which is on Tezos.

824
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:43,720
Object galleries for the last, I don't know how many months have been limited to Fake

825
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:49,240
Whale Gallery, and over the coming weeks, they've onboarded about 20 new galleries that'll

826
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:53,440
be supported and on Tezos.

827
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:58,840
That being said, the only reason truly that we aren't on Solana is that I cannot find

828
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:04,120
a marketplace partner that offers that exhibition experience that I need.

829
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:11,120
And by that, I just mean, for example, Exchange Art allows you to curate artwork and group

830
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:15,440
them together in an exhibition-like style.

831
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:22,440
But as someone who needs to pay for marketing and resources, it's important that I collect

832
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,280
a curator fee.

833
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:29,040
Not me as an individual, but Etan's Treasury so that we can continue to operate and offer

834
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:32,280
opportunities for the community.

835
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:33,560
Exchange Art doesn't allow that.

836
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:38,840
It just basically allows you to curate the works and link off to them so people can go

837
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:40,600
and purchase them.

838
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:47,360
If there were a Solana marketplace that offered a robust exhibition experience where the curator

839
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:52,720
could invite the artist to mint their works and use a smart contract to collect their

840
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,920
curator fee, I think that would be ideal.

841
00:58:55,920 --> 00:59:01,800
And I think too, it's important to say this, being a curator is not easy and it's hard

842
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:02,800
work.

843
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:07,400
And anyone who tells you that it isn't is either lying to you or isn't doing it right.

844
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:13,000
It is a full-time job and I think it's important as curators that we value ourselves and collect

845
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:14,580
our curator fees.

846
00:59:14,580 --> 00:59:18,920
It's great to do people a solid and just do it for the love of the art, but that's not

847
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:20,880
sustainable.

848
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:24,520
Everything in this world and in this life costs money.

849
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:29,640
So I do think it's important that we choose marketplaces that allow us to value our time

850
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:35,380
and services and collect the fee that we deserve for providing the valuable work we do.

851
00:59:35,380 --> 00:59:39,440
So all that being said, if someone knows a marketplace that has this feature on Solana

852
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,480
that I'm unaware of, please tell me.

853
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:47,560
I know that Drip has a collective option and that's something I've talked to the founder

854
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:51,080
of Drip about in terms of bringing Ytan onto Drip.

855
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:53,400
So that's a possibility.

856
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,480
But again, it's not the same as an exhibition.

857
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,760
So do let me know, anyone who's listening, if there's something I've missed out there

858
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:05,840
or if you're building something like, hey, please sign up my DMs.

859
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:15,840
Static, first of all, thank you, Sierra, for sharing about how you feel about the group

860
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:19,280
creations on Solana.

861
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:25,520
But I think Static and Soul69 kind of had a weird base of that.

862
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:31,520
I would like to know how you did that with the first group creation, Static.

863
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:32,520
Yeah.

864
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:38,280
I know I come across as a little less formal, but that's kind of who I am, right?

865
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:39,280
So that's...

866
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:42,320
But listen, so ExchangeR does do that.

867
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:47,320
So when we did our curation, there was an option to split off the royalty.

868
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:53,200
So what we did was between myself and Soulcity, we took a 5% curation fee and we split that

869
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:58,000
two and a half percent each way, and then that was really super simple.

870
01:00:58,000 --> 01:00:59,400
So I mean, I'm not sure.

871
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:03,560
I know when you go and you put them into the actual curation platform on ExchangeR, it

872
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:07,000
doesn't do it there, but you just do it when you mint the pieces.

873
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:08,000
You just split that off.

874
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:11,800
And then what we did was after the curation was done, we sent anybody that wants to kind

875
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:15,320
of flip that switch back off, which is very simple to do as well.

876
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:19,600
They can take the percentage and push it right back towards themselves once the curation

877
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:21,200
is finished.

878
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:24,880
So if that helps you, I mean, because ExchangeR is probably where I would go if I was going

879
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:28,760
to do another curation that was a formal curation.

880
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:33,320
But then of course, I do curate on Drip and we've done about 18 of those so far where

881
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:37,420
we've curated 18 different artists over the last few months.

882
01:01:37,420 --> 01:01:44,480
So I would recommend both of those platforms for what you're looking for.

883
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:45,480
Thank you so much.

884
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:46,480
I appreciate you.

885
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:49,000
I'm definitely going to further explore ExchangeR.

886
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:57,120
And I didn't even think to use the contract split options at the time of the artist minting

887
01:01:57,120 --> 01:02:02,600
the individual pieces to ensure that the treasury receives the curator fee.

888
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:06,280
So now that that's in my brain and I know that's an option, I'll definitely explore

889
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:07,280
it further.

890
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:08,280
Thank you so much.

891
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:09,280
No problem.

892
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:10,280
Thank you.

893
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:22,480
Thank you, Tafani, do you have any question you want to ask?

894
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:25,640
I don't know the last time I called your name it was like you ran away.

895
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:26,640
What happened?

896
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:27,640
I didn't run away.

897
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:29,680
I told you I was having a busy day.

898
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:31,600
More can I just not do this here.

899
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:35,560
I'm shy and I'm supposed to act super serious right now.

900
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:42,840
I'm not a serious person.

901
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:50,440
Well yeah, I have listened to what Sarah had to say and what Soul69 had to say and they

902
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:55,520
are actually doing like amazing, amazing work in space, especially for Nigerian artists

903
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:57,400
like Sarah aspects.

904
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:01,880
Like she watches some of the things she said were like so real and so relatable because

905
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:06,320
most people don't know that being a curator is a big time work and they're like a lot

906
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:10,000
of expectations and stuff like around it.

907
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,760
Well I like the fact that she's like managing everything and is actually I would not say

908
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:19,120
it's going smoothly but it's actually good to see it's coming together because I remember

909
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:26,000
when I first saw her when she was doing like an open call for the intern ward, I was like,

910
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:29,080
oh wow, this person is coming to do this stuff.

911
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:32,800
Will the person actually be there because most people that come to create stuff for

912
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:37,640
African artists are usually not there till the end and it's really, really, really sad.

913
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:41,880
Well I'm glad that she's actually here till I will not say till the end because the end

914
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:42,880
doesn't come.

915
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:48,560
Well yeah, it's really nice to see and I don't know a lot about Soul69 because I heard this

916
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:50,840
first from you Vulcan.

917
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:57,600
But yeah, it's good to see another person that is doing as wonderful as Sarah is and

918
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:03,880
I just had a lot to learn from what they had to say today basically and I hope to see more

919
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:10,600
soon and yeah, that's all I have to say Vulcan.

920
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:21,280
Okay, Static, I do have a question for you in the aspect of exhibitions.

921
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:31,920
How do you, are you kind of like looking into that's like IRL exhibitions?

922
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:35,640
You know what, I haven't thought about doing any IRL exhibitions with Soul69.

923
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:37,440
It's not another question.

924
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:44,160
You know, I think individually we all do a lot of our own exhibitions and like, you know,

925
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:46,800
like we're almost always doing like the NFT NYC.

926
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:52,040
I know that Jimmy was just here a minute ago, I mean he just got curated a few weeks ago

927
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:57,840
by Victoria West for one of her exhibitions and I think we all have our different directions

928
01:04:57,840 --> 01:04:58,840
that we go.

929
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:03,080
I think for right now we're probably more focused on looking towards our next like group

930
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:05,840
curation that would be blockchain related.

931
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:08,200
But you know, I'm not opposed to it.

932
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:12,440
You know, there's nothing that would stop us from organizing doing something like that

933
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:17,080
and I think that a lot of us, you know, we've talked a lot about trying to branch into the

934
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:20,720
web2 world and trying to get ourselves with more footprint there.

935
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:22,480
So I think that would be a good way to do it.

936
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:33,840
So sorry, I was kind of like fighting with my mic.

937
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:34,840
Thank you.

938
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:35,840
Thank you for sharing.

939
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:36,840
Kafani, you want to say something?

940
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:47,080
Oh my God, Kafani has rocked again.

941
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:50,480
All right.

942
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:55,520
I think we have questions from the people up so I brought them up to ask you questions.

943
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:58,520
I'll first start with Ohat.

944
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:05,680
Ohat, can you hear me?

945
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:08,600
I see them as a listener.

946
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:14,320
Okay, Ohat as a listener.

947
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:16,080
All right.

948
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:19,560
I think Ohat is rocked or something.

949
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:20,560
You're not rocked.

950
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:25,720
Yeah, I probably went out and I was just coming in.

951
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:28,040
Yeah, Staffy, can you hear him?

952
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:29,040
I can now.

953
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:30,600
Apparently I'm broken now, but it's fine.

954
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:33,600
I'll figure it out.

955
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:40,600
Okay, Ohat, do you have a question?

956
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:43,600
No, I don't have a question.

957
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:46,640
But then I think I'm up and wait.

958
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:52,840
Before I say whatever I want to say, let me just for the tradition, shout out to everyone.

959
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:56,320
Thank you for bringing up this piece.

960
01:06:56,320 --> 01:07:03,840
I see our one and only Yujumama and Susie, Moses, everyone in the listening section.

961
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:09,960
I think I've been following Susie's life for quite some time now, although I have not really

962
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:18,760
had the time to really explore what he has been up to.

963
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:21,080
I've not had the time to really explore it.

964
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:25,840
But then I think now that we have him here, I think I'm getting to know some of the things

965
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:27,800
he has been in this space to do.

966
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:32,960
And it's so good to actually hear from you and to know more about your journey.

967
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:38,480
So thank you for coming in here to share your journey with us.

968
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:45,000
So I think as a lot of people come up here and ask you some questions, so we'll get to

969
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:49,480
know what you have been doing in this space.

970
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:56,400
As for Sarah, we know you have been a wonderful one in this space, you've been backing us

971
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:57,400
up.

972
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:04,320
And we thank you, we appreciate you for that.

973
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:08,640
Thank you.

974
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:09,640
Thank you, Uwat.

975
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:12,600
All right, we move to Moses.

976
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:16,680
Moses, do you have a question?

977
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:18,680
Hi, Vulcan.

978
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:21,240
Yeah, hi, Kafani.

979
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:24,720
I just came to kind of shout out to everyone.

980
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:25,720
Kafani has been long.

981
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:28,720
Sarah, it's been a great time.

982
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:34,280
We talked and said hi to you, Sarah.

983
01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:36,600
Soul69, it's nice to meet you.

984
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:39,640
This is my first time meeting you, so it's really cool.

985
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:45,960
I would like to know more about your community, more about what you do, your platform, your

986
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:49,760
motivation, and everything.

987
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:51,720
And yeah, I'd like to know more.

988
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:52,720
So that's cool.

989
01:08:52,720 --> 01:09:02,640
As I shout out, it's really good to see that more people are coming up to create artists,

990
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:07,080
to create opportunities for artists, to create communities.

991
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:14,240
I mean, that's really what we need right now, because it's going to be very hard to just

992
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:20,640
be on our own alone, so I think community will win more together than alone.

993
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:21,640
So it's really cool.

994
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:28,520
Yeah, so I would be, I'm sure that, as Uwat said, a lot of people would have questions.

995
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:31,920
Maybe I would have a question as we continue to hear.

996
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:36,960
But for now, I'd like to listen to know what's happening and what's going on and what's his

997
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:37,960
news.

998
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:38,960
Okay.

999
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:39,960
Thank you, Moses.

1000
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:40,960
Yeah, thank you for that.

1001
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:53,040
Thank you for sharing, talking about what we've been talking about in the aspect of collaboration

1002
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:55,040
and artists collective.

1003
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:57,560
Yeah, thank you.

1004
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:04,040
Kafani, you wanted to, I don't know, you wrote, so let's start with that.

1005
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:05,040
What happened?

1006
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:06,040
Well, I don't know.

1007
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:09,120
My Twitter just kept shutting down.

1008
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:11,120
I think it's your space, Uwokan.

1009
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:16,640
Because we are the only one that is jumping up and down.

1010
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:21,640
See, I, in fact, no words for you.

1011
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:25,640
Secondly, you've not seen us in the while because she cut us off now.

1012
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:26,640
It's not your fault.

1013
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:27,640
You've grown wings.

1014
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:28,640
You've not cut all of us off.

1015
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:29,640
It's not your fault, Shah.

1016
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:36,640
And I think I had the question, but I can't remember anymore.

1017
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:39,640
I can't remember, so yeah.

1018
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:40,640
Just remember.

1019
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:41,640
Okay.

1020
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:51,000
I think I wanted to ask about like, how do Ciara and So69 make sure that their artists

1021
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:52,000
feel thin?

1022
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:56,400
Like, I don't know if you get my question, Shah, but like, most times, I mean, as a person,

1023
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:57,840
I don't feel like I get thin.

1024
01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:00,360
That's mostly why I joined all these collectives.

1025
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:03,360
Ciara, people can see what I have to offer and stuff.

1026
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:08,040
So I want to know how like, creators do it, like, and like, make sure that their artists

1027
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:09,040
are thin.

1028
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:11,040
Do you get my question?

1029
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:12,040
All right.

1030
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:13,040
Thank you.

1031
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:14,040
Yes.

1032
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:17,040
Ciara and Static, over to you.

1033
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:22,040
I'll first start with you, Ciara.

1034
01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:24,040
Sure.

1035
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:25,960
I think, hmm.

1036
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:35,480
I think making sure artists are seen requires not only ongoing communication, but proactively

1037
01:11:35,480 --> 01:11:38,640
building opportunities.

1038
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:40,600
And there are lots of different ways you can do that.

1039
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:46,200
At Eetan, we actively create opportunities by organizing our digital exhibition, by

1040
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:53,240
leveraging social media for impactful promotion, by organizing IRL exhibitions.

1041
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:58,680
And these efforts help the artists reach broader audiences.

1042
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:03,880
But equally important, I think maintaining direct communication with the artists.

1043
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:10,800
Like, nearly, nearly every artist in our collective, not only are we in the Twitter group, but

1044
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:16,480
like, have my number on WhatsApp and like, can call me, send me direct messages.

1045
01:12:16,480 --> 01:12:23,040
Like, I think it's important to communicate directly with the artists, invite their feedback

1046
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:24,800
understand their goals.

1047
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:31,920
And by regularly checking in, I can tailor the support that we offer to meet their needs.

1048
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:38,480
Whether it's, you know, learning how to use the technology, creating networking opportunities,

1049
01:12:38,480 --> 01:12:39,480
supporting promotion.

1050
01:12:39,480 --> 01:12:46,760
So I really think it's a combination of this personalized support and then actively creating

1051
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:53,120
opportunities that helps them not only get recognition, but grow as artists.

1052
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:56,800
And one other thing I just want to mention while I have the floor before I pass it to

1053
01:12:56,800 --> 01:13:05,520
Soul69 is Vulkan, I think it's really, I think you were very smart to invite, how do I say

1054
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:06,520
this?

1055
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:12,040
Like, Eetan is a culture focused collective, like we're specifically curating West African

1056
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:13,040
art.

1057
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:21,400
Soul69 is a blockchain focused collective that's basically using decentralized technology

1058
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:28,200
to offer artists access to Solana that's scalable and low cost.

1059
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:34,640
And you know, it's attracting tech savvy artists and offering them innovative tools on Solana.

1060
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:42,360
So I just think both are important, like cultural storytelling keeps art grounded and resonant

1061
01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:43,440
with roots.

1062
01:13:43,440 --> 01:13:52,240
And I think groups like Soul69 use blockchain tools directly to amplify their reach and

1063
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:54,800
transparency and financial possibilities.

1064
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:57,880
And I think it's important that artists explore both.

1065
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:02,160
I'm sure there are artists that are listening like you that are in both collectives.

1066
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:06,280
Maybe they're in a culture focused collective and a blockchain focused collective.

1067
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:08,960
So I think it was just really smart on your part.

1068
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:13,640
And I think as an artist, the beautiful thing about these collectives is like they're not

1069
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:18,080
mutually exclusive, at least I don't know of any that are.

1070
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:23,160
So you could choose to be in both or however many you have the time to participate in.

1071
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:25,920
So I just wanted to add that as well.

1072
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:30,800
Yeah, that is true.

1073
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:37,800
And yeah, it's quite interesting because, yeah, we just had like something similar in

1074
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:44,600
the aspect that, yeah, the your collective is about its culture base.

1075
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:54,320
And Soul69 is filled with a lot of diverse artists from different regions.

1076
01:14:54,320 --> 01:15:02,480
And yeah, it's kind of like, yeah, it's kind of like flexible and kind of region wise,

1077
01:15:02,480 --> 01:15:07,200
selective, like the way you kind of like select artists and everything.

1078
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:09,520
It's very flexible.

1079
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:15,840
So I'll pass it over to you, Static, on the question that Kapani asked.

1080
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:16,840
Continue.

1081
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:17,840
Sure.

1082
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:21,880
So first, I just want to go back and clarify one thing.

1083
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:24,440
We're not a Solana based group.

1084
01:15:24,440 --> 01:15:28,280
Like even my last piece that I personally minted was on Tezos.

1085
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:30,840
Like we're a diverse group, right?

1086
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:32,480
And we are supporting all blockchains.

1087
01:15:32,480 --> 01:15:36,480
Again, and I thought it was funny because the last time Tezos, because they've been

1088
01:15:36,480 --> 01:15:43,000
giving people 500 tests to help curate weekly on their platform right now.

1089
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:50,440
And I took my account and it was Soul69 account and posted on their post and said, when Soul69

1090
01:15:50,440 --> 01:15:51,840
curation on Tezos, right?

1091
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:56,560
Like I don't care where people necessarily mint.

1092
01:15:56,560 --> 01:16:02,080
I am more about, to your point of the technology and the growth of technology is about trying

1093
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:06,720
to find out where that is going to take them and then kind of supporting wherever they

1094
01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:07,720
go.

1095
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:10,840
Like I had an account on Farcast or Warcast or whatever you want to call it.

1096
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:11,840
And a lot of that was base.

1097
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:14,040
A lot of people minting on base, right?

1098
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:18,640
So I'm sharing a lot of base stuff over there with the account.

1099
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:22,140
So to go back and say, where do we end?

1100
01:16:22,140 --> 01:16:25,440
Maybe that's an opportunity too for myself because I want people to understand that a

1101
01:16:25,440 --> 01:16:26,440
little bit more.

1102
01:16:26,440 --> 01:16:29,320
So if that's, and I totally get it, like Soul69, right?

1103
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:31,640
Solana, like exploration of Solana, right?

1104
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:32,640
I get it.

1105
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:38,000
Maybe I got to fix how I'm spinning that message a little better.

1106
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:41,040
But to the, how do we help with visibility, right?

1107
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:45,760
So look, there's multiple websites that are available.

1108
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:47,920
I market, it's like my job.

1109
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:48,920
I'm a business consultant.

1110
01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:54,720
And one of my things that I have to do regularly is work on local marketing and strategic marketing.

1111
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:56,880
It's social media marketing, web marketing.

1112
01:16:56,880 --> 01:17:00,880
And so I've got a couple of websites out there that are focused on kind of getting the Google

1113
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:08,960
SEO to highlight artists so that there's an extra Google site that pops up when you Google

1114
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:09,960
somebody, right?

1115
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:16,400
Like, we talked earlier about making sure that when you go onto our, anything to do

1116
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:20,560
Soul69, you should be able to find all the artists that are supported, right?

1117
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:24,480
So if you see this name, this brand, it doesn't lead to me, right?

1118
01:17:24,480 --> 01:17:25,640
It leads to everybody.

1119
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:28,040
So that's part of it too.

1120
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:34,200
And whether it's a curation or specifically highlighting artists during a curation or

1121
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:42,520
we've done collaboration highlights for curations, supporting artists through buybacks on any

1122
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:49,120
of the curation funds that we do get and kind of spreading ourselves into different marketplaces,

1123
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:52,000
different avenues, and really just kind of going outward.

1124
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:55,160
And I do some of that through my other account, which is the one you see down there, which

1125
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:56,160
is static.

1126
01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:58,920
And I said that's funny because the other day somebody in the group said, you know,

1127
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:01,960
why don't you ever retweet my stuff with the Soul69 account?

1128
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:06,200
And I laughed and I said, because it doesn't have as much reach as my static account has,

1129
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:07,200
right?

1130
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:12,240
And so I went through and I retweeted all of her most recent posts with the Soul69 account.

1131
01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:17,720
But if you go through my timeline, you'll see things that are not just Solana based

1132
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:19,600
and same with the other account, obviously.

1133
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:23,520
So I'm glad you said that because if that's the perception, I wanted to make sure I clarified

1134
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:24,520
that.

1135
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:26,720
But yeah, there's a number of different things that are out there.

1136
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:30,440
I'm probably forgetting a good chunk of them, but like there's Telegram groups that are

1137
01:18:30,440 --> 01:18:31,440
set up.

1138
01:18:31,440 --> 01:18:35,840
There's, you know, different social media platforms, YouTube, you know, which I'm not

1139
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:38,720
very active on because it seems like a waste of time right now.

1140
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:43,280
And some of the one of the things I'm exploring currently in I was posting about this yesterday

1141
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:47,880
is Facebook because, you know, Facebook, I think, is underutilized, to be honest with

1142
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:51,680
you, because there's a lot of groups and a lot of sharing of best practices and things

1143
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:54,180
like that that I think artists could benefit from.

1144
01:18:54,180 --> 01:18:58,480
So for me personally, I like to try and explore my photography side.

1145
01:18:58,480 --> 01:19:00,200
And I'm in a lot of photography groups.

1146
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:06,280
And I think that it's just under appreciated right now as a platform to learn on.

1147
01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:10,080
So you know, doing things like that, recognizing things like that, and then sharing it and

1148
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:14,400
hopefully bringing some people along the ride is a focus, again, help with that visibility

1149
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:15,400
piece.

1150
01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:16,400
Yes, Sierra.

1151
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:24,000
Oh, my God, I learned something today.

1152
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:27,640
I did not realize that Soul69 wasn't just on Solana.

1153
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:32,160
And for those who are unfamiliar and made this assumption based on the name like me,

1154
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:38,840
it's actually really awesome to learn that they're like champion, championing a variety

1155
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:45,120
of like different scalable and low cost options for minting and transacting art.

1156
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:50,040
Because ultimately, that's like what's most important to allow artists to enter the digital

1157
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:53,360
space without having like high financial barriers.

1158
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:58,040
So it's just awesome to know that they're leveraging other blockchains and platforms.

1159
01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:02,960
You know, he mentioned Solana, which is also a really I mean, Tezos, which is an alternative

1160
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:06,880
to Solana and is also like very cost effective.

1161
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:12,080
I just think it's awesome to know that they're helping artists mint their work affordably

1162
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:18,400
on a variety of blockchains and making it accessible for emerging creators and seasoned

1163
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:25,480
artists who want to expand into the digital space and ultimately like with these collectives,

1164
01:20:25,480 --> 01:20:31,280
like our focus is to enable the artists to focus on their creativity and their storytelling

1165
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:33,460
rather than worrying about high fees.

1166
01:20:33,460 --> 01:20:36,600
So thank you for teaching me something.

1167
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:38,960
Yeah, of course.

1168
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:42,680
And thank you for thinking that honestly, because if it's a first, you're not I'm sure

1169
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:43,680
you're not the only one.

1170
01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:47,800
And it's because we're it's heavily focused on Solana only because we're doing drip curations

1171
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:48,800
right now.

1172
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:52,640
And I feel like most of the tweets you see come from this account are drip based.

1173
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:55,760
But it's something I got it obviously you saying that it means I got to fix that.

1174
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:59,640
So thanks for pointing it out.

1175
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:04,240
Yeah, thank you.

1176
01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:10,960
One of the things about this topic collaboration over competition is because of things like

1177
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:19,200
this, you get to see like two collectives like they have like different, different ideas

1178
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:23,160
and different system that actually kind of like work for them.

1179
01:21:23,160 --> 01:21:28,600
So sometimes, yeah, you can get to kind of like pick one or two things from each other.

1180
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:34,000
Now you do things and going from the system in which you do things.

1181
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:41,480
I would like to ask like, which social media platform do you find very effective in communicating

1182
01:21:41,480 --> 01:21:44,600
with your artists?

1183
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:48,080
Like for some people, they kind of like make use of discord.

1184
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:50,240
Some people make use of the listen.

1185
01:21:50,240 --> 01:21:56,960
And for me, just like for my own personal opinion, I'm not really a fan of discord.

1186
01:21:56,960 --> 01:21:59,240
I get lost there.

1187
01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:05,160
Like I've been in a lot of discord channels in which I just got lost and I gave up on

1188
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:06,160
this court.

1189
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:14,240
But yeah, I would like to first know how you kind of like solve the communication factor

1190
01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:18,760
from you, Sierra.

1191
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:26,480
Sure, I think a lot of us are Twitter based.

1192
01:22:26,480 --> 01:22:31,400
And I don't know, I think a lot of us too are like just exhausted and have fatigue from

1193
01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:34,680
all of these different options of places to communicate.

1194
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:40,880
Like if one more person asked me to join their telegram group or their discord server, I'm

1195
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:42,440
going to pull my hair out.

1196
01:22:42,440 --> 01:22:44,080
Like I'm so tired of it.

1197
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:48,640
So I think it's important to meet people where they're at.

1198
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:54,040
And if and that's different for different communities, like if your community you notice

1199
01:22:54,040 --> 01:23:00,240
is mostly active on Twitter, then maybe the most effective means of communication is a

1200
01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:02,120
chat on Twitter.

1201
01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:06,960
But if people are spread out everywhere, like for example, there was a period of time that

1202
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:11,880
Brazilian artists couldn't use Twitter and people were opting maybe to communicate on

1203
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:13,360
WhatsApp or telegram.

1204
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:18,160
So I think it depends on the current circumstances.

1205
01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:24,120
But just like whatever has the lowest barrier and is the least headache for everyone, like

1206
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:30,840
telling people to download a new networking app or messaging app to join a group is just,

1207
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:33,120
I can promise you no one wants to do that.

1208
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:34,840
So for us, it's Twitter.

1209
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:40,000
And then because most of the artists are in Nigeria, WhatsApp is very popular as well,

1210
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:44,240
just as a mean of like quick and direct communication to have phone calls.

1211
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:47,240
I think we I don't even remember if we tried just to cord.

1212
01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:51,560
Yeah, no, I didn't even go that route just because I personally hate discord.

1213
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:54,560
But to each their own, I think it depends where your community congregates, meet them

1214
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:55,560
where they are.

1215
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:56,560
Yes, that's true.

1216
01:23:56,560 --> 01:24:08,600
And yeah, now I can remember like, every time we kind of like did our kind of passing information

1217
01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:12,280
and everything, there's always on Twitter.

1218
01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:20,000
And then I don't know if like the group you created on what cast is still kind of active

1219
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:27,240
for like, do you still kind of pass on information on what cast or how is it going?

1220
01:24:27,240 --> 01:24:33,000
We do still use farcaster and we have a group on there for each time and we have a channel.

1221
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:38,480
The main barrier with farcaster was that there and I don't know if this is still the case.

1222
01:24:38,480 --> 01:24:42,440
I think it is you have to pay like $5 a year to use it.

1223
01:24:42,440 --> 01:24:45,880
And I don't know to some people that might not seem like a lot.

1224
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:52,640
But if you have to choose between $5 and like, essential, you know, cost of living resources

1225
01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:57,840
and supplies, like it's it's probably low on your totem pole of priorities.

1226
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:03,320
So farcaster wasn't the best option because it just $5 a year wasn't accessible for everyone

1227
01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:04,620
in the collective.

1228
01:25:04,620 --> 01:25:09,920
The other thing too, with farcaster is they made a change to their platform recently where

1229
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:14,860
they made all the channels members only can cast in them.

1230
01:25:14,860 --> 01:25:20,540
And that just created another just like barrier in terms of people being able to use the channels

1231
01:25:20,540 --> 01:25:26,200
to share their art without requesting like a membership invite.

1232
01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:27,200
I think it depends though.

1233
01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:30,600
I think a different type of people congregate on farcaster.

1234
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:36,240
It's definitely a more techie web three native crypto heavy community.

1235
01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:41,820
I don't think there are artists there is too, but it just feels like the art communities

1236
01:25:41,820 --> 01:25:47,400
are bigger and stronger on Twitter than they are farcaster, at least in my experience.

1237
01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:50,280
Thank you.

1238
01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:58,880
So going to use static, what do you wish particular platform because I know you make use of Twitter

1239
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:00,800
and then you make use of telegram.

1240
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:01,800
Yeah, yeah.

1241
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:04,760
And I have to be honest as well.

1242
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:12,320
Let's say I also communicate on telegram, but my records, the way I communicate on telegram

1243
01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:15,400
is different with the way it is on Twitter.

1244
01:26:15,400 --> 01:26:19,080
I don't really get information that well.

1245
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:24,040
Yeah, but because of yeah, I'm used to Twitter and everything.

1246
01:26:24,040 --> 01:26:32,160
So which platform is kind of like very effective for you to pass your tends to artists?

1247
01:26:32,160 --> 01:26:38,680
Yes, I'm going to try not to get like, I'm going to try and reserve myself, right?

1248
01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:41,880
Because I definitely agree with what Sierra was saying.

1249
01:26:41,880 --> 01:26:47,880
And I think sometimes we're steering people into platforms for our own selfish needs,

1250
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:48,880
right?

1251
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:53,400
Like, and I don't mean that in a bad way, but like, you know, we spread ourselves sometimes

1252
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:55,040
into all these different like corners, right?

1253
01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:58,600
And like when WarpCast came out, there was a lot of money to be made.

1254
01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:02,400
And I don't absolutely don't, you know, take that away from anybody that needed to go over

1255
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:06,680
there and maybe, you know, basically get free DGN and do all the tipping and all the other

1256
01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:09,000
stuff that was going on.

1257
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:12,040
But there was a lot of people trying to record, you know, recruit people over there.

1258
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:15,280
When you get there, it's like not as good, right?

1259
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:17,640
Like it's kind of like, what am I doing here?

1260
01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:19,720
In my own opinion, right?

1261
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:24,600
And so I try to be at least from a communication standpoint, really structured back to like

1262
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:28,840
where we all are and where we all are is really on Twitter.

1263
01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:32,480
So this is definitely my primary means of communication.

1264
01:27:32,480 --> 01:27:36,360
I will say though, like when you think about just the blockchain as a whole or Web3 as

1265
01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:39,160
a whole, like I think there's a lot to be said about Telegram.

1266
01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:42,880
And that's why I have a Telegram group and why I'm on Telegram too.

1267
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:46,560
And I don't use it as much, nearly as much, but I use it similar to what you said before,

1268
01:27:46,560 --> 01:27:47,560
like WhatsApp.

1269
01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:50,280
I'll call people on Telegram.

1270
01:27:50,280 --> 01:27:51,840
You know, Telegram is highly encrypted.

1271
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:54,120
Like you can like, it's really just a very unique program.

1272
01:27:54,120 --> 01:27:57,440
I don't know if people look enough into that and kind of see what's there.

1273
01:27:57,440 --> 01:28:01,120
And I just, I would encourage you to check out, maybe read some about it.

1274
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:06,040
But what's on Telegram outside of really, there's not a ton of art, but it's where crypto

1275
01:28:06,040 --> 01:28:07,040
lives, right?

1276
01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:09,480
Like, and you know, it's where the meme coins all live.

1277
01:28:09,480 --> 01:28:15,880
And it's where a lot of the side conversations happen that are outside of our normal circles.

1278
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:16,880
Okay.

1279
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:22,160
So when you think about like understanding and educating the whole picture and really

1280
01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:27,060
knowing like what's going on behind the scenes, most of that stuff and those conversations

1281
01:28:27,060 --> 01:28:28,520
are all happening on Telegram.

1282
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:34,760
So you know, while we're all on Twitter, you know, crypto is all, or a lot of it is on

1283
01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:39,160
Telegram and then they come to Twitter to share their tweets.

1284
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:40,160
Okay.

1285
01:28:40,160 --> 01:28:43,200
But they're not conversing necessarily all on Twitter.

1286
01:28:43,200 --> 01:28:46,560
And some of them have DM groups, don't get me wrong, but like a lot of those heavy groups

1287
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:47,560
are on Telegram.

1288
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:50,920
So, so yeah, for me, I hate discord or right there with you.

1289
01:28:50,920 --> 01:28:53,960
I think it's an unorganized, disorganized mess.

1290
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:58,920
Can't keep it just useless to me almost unless I really have to go in there for a specific

1291
01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:02,920
project or something that I need to ask questions about or a platform.

1292
01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:06,280
But yeah, so right now it's just Twitter, Telegram.

1293
01:29:06,280 --> 01:29:09,520
And like I said before, I'm going to, I'm going to explore a little bit of Facebook

1294
01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:13,400
because I'm seeing some things that I was surprised about recently.

1295
01:29:13,400 --> 01:29:17,320
So that's, that's my answer.

1296
01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:18,320
Sure.

1297
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:20,280
Thank you.

1298
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:26,280
Um, you know, I'm not really active on Facebook.

1299
01:29:26,280 --> 01:29:32,800
I can't remember the last, why they even know my Facebook login anymore.

1300
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:34,840
I mean, I'm just kidding.

1301
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:37,080
That's been a long time actually, but

1302
01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:40,560
Facebook is WhatsApp.

1303
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:43,440
So you probably have an account and don't even realize that they connect.

1304
01:29:43,440 --> 01:29:47,960
So you're, you're, you're there if you go WhatsApp.

1305
01:29:47,960 --> 01:29:49,320
Oh, really?

1306
01:29:49,320 --> 01:29:51,120
Yeah, that's true.

1307
01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:52,120
Yes.

1308
01:29:52,120 --> 01:29:56,760
That is Mark Zuckerberg's platform.

1309
01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:59,880
It kind of like connected itself.

1310
01:29:59,880 --> 01:30:07,320
But I wanted to kind of also can, I think this would be possibly the last question coming

1311
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:15,000
for me, but, um, this, this one is about in the aspect of competition as a collective,

1312
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:22,880
a collective, do you find yourself in some form of competition with other collective

1313
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:28,240
and yeah, how do you kind of solve that?

1314
01:30:28,240 --> 01:30:32,880
And have you done any form of collaboration with another collective?

1315
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:33,880
Yeah.

1316
01:30:33,880 --> 01:30:37,520
I just wanted to know your thoughts on that.

1317
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:42,160
So I'll first start with Sierra.

1318
01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:51,080
Finally, the question about competition and collaboration over competition.

1319
01:30:51,080 --> 01:30:53,840
Awesome question.

1320
01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:58,680
To be honest, yeah, we're not here to compete with other collectives.

1321
01:30:58,680 --> 01:31:04,560
In fact, the whole reason Ytan came to be is because there simply weren't any collectives

1322
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:09,040
dedicated to showcasing and preserving the voices of West African artists in the way

1323
01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:11,080
we envisioned.

1324
01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:18,080
And we're just here to fill a gap and create a community centered space where African artists

1325
01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:22,560
can thrive, not to position ourselves against others.

1326
01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:28,800
In fact, I openly encourage our artists to seek any opportunities that they feel would

1327
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:33,280
benefit them, whether they're in or outside of our collective.

1328
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:38,160
Um, there, I mean, there are other groups that are focused on creating opportunities

1329
01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:44,840
for artists who have been historically underrepresented and offer them more visibility and resources

1330
01:31:44,840 --> 01:31:46,720
and networking.

1331
01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:52,800
And ultimately that's just what's been missing in the broader art and blockchain space.

1332
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:59,520
So I consider any other collective that has the goal to lift these artists up and to foster

1333
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:02,080
collaboration and innovation.

1334
01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:06,160
I consider them an ally and not competition.

1335
01:32:06,160 --> 01:32:12,800
I think they're, I think, oh, um, on Drip, there is an African art collective.

1336
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:15,280
And it's my friend Sternberg who runs it.

1337
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:21,320
It's called, I think it's called Aukibulan or something of that nature.

1338
01:32:21,320 --> 01:32:26,840
And we've been in a lot of communication about the work that he's doing on Drip for African

1339
01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:27,840
artists.

1340
01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:33,400
To be honest, I told him, I was just like, I, I'm doing so much on so many other platforms.

1341
01:32:33,400 --> 01:32:35,480
Like, it's just a lot for me to do.

1342
01:32:35,480 --> 01:32:37,560
And like, I just feel like you're helping me.

1343
01:32:37,560 --> 01:32:40,760
Like I feel like if artists come to me and they're like, Oh, I want to do something on

1344
01:32:40,760 --> 01:32:45,640
Drip, like I can just send them to you instead of me trying to juggle another ball in the

1345
01:32:45,640 --> 01:32:46,640
air.

1346
01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:53,720
So that being said, we do actively seek other collectives that prioritize African art and

1347
01:32:53,720 --> 01:32:58,080
try to collaborate and exchange artists and works between them.

1348
01:32:58,080 --> 01:33:02,280
And if anyone is listening to this and has a collective and wants to collaborate in some

1349
01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:04,240
way, we would love to.

1350
01:33:04,240 --> 01:33:08,480
I mean, a lot of our collaborations in the past have been with platforms and marketplaces.

1351
01:33:08,480 --> 01:33:13,600
Like we've received grants from BASE for the work we do on BASE.

1352
01:33:13,600 --> 01:33:21,600
We've done work with Transient Labs that was sponsored by Arbitrum, another low cost L2.

1353
01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:23,880
So we're always open to collaboration.

1354
01:33:23,880 --> 01:33:30,520
I don't see any other collective as a competitor.

1355
01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:31,520
Thank you, Sierra.

1356
01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:40,920
Yeah, I think that collectives can work together to elevate both of the people in their organizations

1357
01:33:40,920 --> 01:33:45,920
and the aspects of what you said and how you kind of like work together.

1358
01:33:45,920 --> 01:33:50,240
And at the same time, you also kind of like minimize your work.

1359
01:33:50,240 --> 01:33:51,520
You know what I mean?

1360
01:33:51,520 --> 01:33:56,080
Because you're kind of like putting yourself out there in different particular type of

1361
01:33:56,080 --> 01:33:57,080
platforms.

1362
01:33:57,080 --> 01:33:59,320
You don't have the time.

1363
01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:06,200
So if someone is kind of like helping you to do that work, I feel like the both of you

1364
01:34:06,200 --> 01:34:09,360
can work together.

1365
01:34:09,360 --> 01:34:17,280
Do you kind of like see that working in exhibitions as well?

1366
01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:26,160
Like doing a particular type of collaboration with another collective?

1367
01:34:26,160 --> 01:34:27,360
I think that would be awesome.

1368
01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:34,440
I have done, I've co curated a few exhibitions with different organizations.

1369
01:34:34,440 --> 01:34:42,640
We have, like 01 is a platform on Avalanche that's been gaining popularity over the last

1370
01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:43,640
couple months.

1371
01:34:43,640 --> 01:34:51,000
And I recently co curated an event in Korea that was just so interesting.

1372
01:34:51,000 --> 01:34:57,840
It was like an event to like bridge Asian and African culture, and they selected a few

1373
01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:00,360
Asian artists and I selected a few African artists.

1374
01:35:00,360 --> 01:35:04,640
And it was like just this really unique vibe that came together.

1375
01:35:04,640 --> 01:35:09,080
Like they're going to play music from like both heritages and cultures.

1376
01:35:09,080 --> 01:35:11,120
Like it's, I wish I could go in person.

1377
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:13,400
I'm sure it's going to be awesome.

1378
01:35:13,400 --> 01:35:21,600
I've done co curation with Daniel who heads like creator relations at Transient Labs for

1379
01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:27,600
an upcoming exhibition related to just the sentiment of togetherness for the holiday

1380
01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:28,760
season.

1381
01:35:28,760 --> 01:35:35,200
So that exhibition will be like half African artists and then half just like globally selected

1382
01:35:35,200 --> 01:35:36,200
artists.

1383
01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:38,840
So I'm always open to those opportunities.

1384
01:35:38,840 --> 01:35:43,240
I'm just trying to show up for a group of people that are often overlooked.

1385
01:35:43,240 --> 01:35:48,280
And if I can bring them into the fold or to any table that's willing to have us, like

1386
01:35:48,280 --> 01:35:53,960
I'm always down.

1387
01:35:53,960 --> 01:35:55,960
Thank you for sharing here.

1388
01:35:55,960 --> 01:35:56,960
Yeah.

1389
01:35:56,960 --> 01:36:00,280
Moses, do you have a question?

1390
01:36:00,280 --> 01:36:02,320
All right.

1391
01:36:02,320 --> 01:36:06,120
So I have, yeah, of course I have a question now.

1392
01:36:06,120 --> 01:36:12,200
I want to ask this is the question to Sierra and Sol.

1393
01:36:12,200 --> 01:36:22,440
Now I know like the main objective of our communities is to showcase artists and to

1394
01:36:22,440 --> 01:36:28,240
help artists get more visibility, to work as a cooperative rather than just individual

1395
01:36:28,240 --> 01:36:30,520
people everywhere.

1396
01:36:30,520 --> 01:36:36,800
But right now considering the state of the market and how do we push this objective?

1397
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:45,520
How do we get more traffic to our communities or how do we get more people, you know, like,

1398
01:36:45,520 --> 01:36:50,080
you know, how do we get more sales, which is like the heart of what is, you know, we

1399
01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:55,000
are, I'm sure to collaborate and also to make sales, right?

1400
01:36:55,000 --> 01:36:57,200
So how do we achieve that purpose?

1401
01:36:57,200 --> 01:37:02,600
Because I think earlier when we started discussing here, Kafani asked the question about how

1402
01:37:02,600 --> 01:37:08,400
she doesn't think that she has visibility and I'm also sure it might also lead this

1403
01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:12,760
visibility and another aim of it is to make sales, right?

1404
01:37:12,760 --> 01:37:13,760
Yeah.

1405
01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:18,760
So I'm sure maybe it's also directing indirectly, I've seen, okay, she doesn't feel like she's

1406
01:37:18,760 --> 01:37:21,000
also making a lot of sales, right?

1407
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:23,600
So in this community, how do we push this?

1408
01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:30,320
How do we get more traffic and how do we lead this to sales?

1409
01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:31,760
Okay.

1410
01:37:31,760 --> 01:37:35,000
So who wants to answer that question?

1411
01:37:35,000 --> 01:37:39,280
I feel like this one is, yeah, more technical.

1412
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:43,840
I'll give a stab at it if you want me to start.

1413
01:37:43,840 --> 01:37:45,600
You know, I don't think there's one answer though.

1414
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:51,640
I mean, I don't know if anybody can really give you a great answer on this one, but I

1415
01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:53,480
can tell you my own thoughts on it.

1416
01:37:53,480 --> 01:37:59,120
And, you know, for one, I don't believe that web three is the only place people should

1417
01:37:59,120 --> 01:38:02,040
be and I would never encourage that.

1418
01:38:02,040 --> 01:38:04,480
You know, even like if you think about what we're doing right now, like we're using a

1419
01:38:04,480 --> 01:38:06,960
web two platform to promote web three, right?

1420
01:38:06,960 --> 01:38:09,760
So there's a lot of room for growth on web two.

1421
01:38:09,760 --> 01:38:16,200
So I think that exploring opportunities of making prints and, you know, getting yourself

1422
01:38:16,200 --> 01:38:22,000
involved in different websites that maybe sell digital art, you know, on a website that's

1423
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:23,960
a web two platform is important.

1424
01:38:23,960 --> 01:38:29,760
And I think that helps with your personal brand visibility as well.

1425
01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:33,760
You know, I think too, I think one of the things, this is going to be a little bit counter

1426
01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:38,240
intuitive to wear, a little counter to what I said before, but it's just a thought, you

1427
01:38:38,240 --> 01:38:39,480
know, that I've had for a while.

1428
01:38:39,480 --> 01:38:44,520
And, you know, I felt like even when we were like primarily on Tezos, like we were all

1429
01:38:44,520 --> 01:38:49,840
marching towards the same direction and we were, you know, it was like object in Tezos,

1430
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:50,840
right?

1431
01:38:50,840 --> 01:38:55,000
All the artists are marching towards, you know, one direction together.

1432
01:38:55,000 --> 01:38:59,160
And then when we went to Solana, a lot of us, it was still everybody marching towards

1433
01:38:59,160 --> 01:39:00,560
the same direction.

1434
01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:05,240
And since then there's been a lot of different platforms and different blockchains and everybody

1435
01:39:05,240 --> 01:39:07,280
kind of exploring.

1436
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:13,340
And what you're doing, at least what I recognized myself doing was I alienated some of my collectors

1437
01:39:13,340 --> 01:39:16,440
on Tezos where they didn't come to Solana, right?

1438
01:39:16,440 --> 01:39:18,200
And I didn't mint on Tezos for a while.

1439
01:39:18,200 --> 01:39:25,720
I fragmented myself and I don't think if we can't handle multi-chain, then it's really

1440
01:39:25,720 --> 01:39:32,880
important that you kind of don't keep jumping from one spot to the next until you've recognized

1441
01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:36,080
where you need to be in the spot you're standing, right?

1442
01:39:36,080 --> 01:39:41,040
And I think a lot of people see the shiny thing in Web3 and they jump to the next shiny

1443
01:39:41,040 --> 01:39:42,040
thing.

1444
01:39:42,040 --> 01:39:47,440
But what's happening is we're never giving ourselves a chance to stay stable and to

1445
01:39:47,440 --> 01:39:53,280
really perfect what we're trying to do and grow our communities in this new area, right?

1446
01:39:53,280 --> 01:39:59,160
So for me, I was Tezos, I moved to Solana, I didn't jump again, right?

1447
01:39:59,160 --> 01:40:01,840
And I don't think I'm ready to go anywhere else again.

1448
01:40:01,840 --> 01:40:07,800
And I've been on ETH 2, but again, it's just not something that I'm comfortable doing because

1449
01:40:07,800 --> 01:40:12,620
the other thing, because I enjoy collecting and I would see people jumping, sometimes

1450
01:40:12,620 --> 01:40:14,080
I can't jump with them, right?

1451
01:40:14,080 --> 01:40:19,520
And then I'm stuck where I see pieces that I want and I can't get them and it's frustrating

1452
01:40:19,520 --> 01:40:22,360
and I'm not willing to make the jump.

1453
01:40:22,360 --> 01:40:25,320
So now what has that done to the artist?

1454
01:40:25,320 --> 01:40:27,200
Because just again, speaking personally, right?

1455
01:40:27,200 --> 01:40:30,440
Like if I see a piece and I really like it, I can say, well, I would have bought that

1456
01:40:30,440 --> 01:40:34,360
if it was on a blockchain that I'm currently still using, right?

1457
01:40:34,360 --> 01:40:38,200
But I'm not going to go open up a new account with a new website, a new platform, a new

1458
01:40:38,200 --> 01:40:42,160
blockchain to go buy a piece of art from an artist that I love, right?

1459
01:40:42,160 --> 01:40:45,160
So it's just, and that's just my own personal opinion.

1460
01:40:45,160 --> 01:40:48,840
So again, I don't want to keep drowning on it, but to go back to your question, look,

1461
01:40:48,840 --> 01:40:53,320
I think just find consistency and find your success and where you're at.

1462
01:40:53,320 --> 01:40:57,940
Don't be afraid to explore web 2, but within the web 3 space too, I would just be cautious

1463
01:40:57,940 --> 01:40:59,980
how often you jump.

1464
01:40:59,980 --> 01:41:03,680
And I'll just leave it at that.

1465
01:41:03,680 --> 01:41:05,240
Yeah.

1466
01:41:05,240 --> 01:41:07,720
Thank you.

1467
01:41:07,720 --> 01:41:15,600
Um, you know, you don't have to raise your hand up as the covers, right?

1468
01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:19,280
It is still the polite thing to do.

1469
01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:23,520
Um, so I had a question from world.

1470
01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:29,160
So six, nine just said about, uh, making jumps to different platforms.

1471
01:41:29,160 --> 01:41:35,160
Cause I do, I, I see that a lot of people are now on, um, I think wallet bubble.

1472
01:41:35,160 --> 01:41:40,320
I think that's the name of the past form because I've not really been, um, on the web, do you

1473
01:41:40,320 --> 01:41:43,880
or like on Twitter recently because I've been busy with true life stuff.

1474
01:41:43,880 --> 01:41:48,120
So when I came back, I saw that foundation was crashing and so people were trying to

1475
01:41:48,120 --> 01:41:49,120
find alternatives.

1476
01:41:49,120 --> 01:41:52,000
So different people were like on different platforms.

1477
01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:57,400
And, um, so six, nine just said that we should not like jump around tickets because it's

1478
01:41:57,400 --> 01:41:59,760
not like conducive for collectors and stuff.

1479
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:05,360
But when I came online, I saw some collectors say that, oh, that's we should jump around

1480
01:42:05,360 --> 01:42:07,680
to suit their tastes.

1481
01:42:07,680 --> 01:42:11,760
I don't know if you get where I'm coming from, but like, it's just a situation where I'm

1482
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:13,320
like different, but I think different things.

1483
01:42:13,320 --> 01:42:15,920
And then they are always just having something to say.

1484
01:42:15,920 --> 01:42:20,080
And then this young artists can just catch a break tickets.

1485
01:42:20,080 --> 01:42:26,000
So I don't know if like, it's something that is still out to you or you're talking, um,

1486
01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:29,480
in, um, from a point of being a collector or something.

1487
01:42:29,480 --> 01:42:33,920
I don't know if you get my question, like I'm asking if you saying that, oh, we should

1488
01:42:33,920 --> 01:42:38,520
not jump around is like you giving us general advice or you're saying it from your own point

1489
01:42:38,520 --> 01:42:39,520
of view tickets.

1490
01:42:39,520 --> 01:42:42,680
And Sarah has something to say.

1491
01:42:42,680 --> 01:42:48,640
So you want to go first here before I answer the question, at least on my behalf.

1492
01:42:48,640 --> 01:42:52,840
Yeah, just like only because we're talking about jumping to different chains.

1493
01:42:52,840 --> 01:42:59,400
I just wanted to quickly say like, as a collector, um, don't hesitate to reach out to an artist

1494
01:42:59,400 --> 01:43:01,320
and let them know that you'd buy their work.

1495
01:43:01,320 --> 01:43:05,920
If it were available on a different chain, a lot of artists are flexible and willing

1496
01:43:05,920 --> 01:43:08,240
to accommodate collector preferences.

1497
01:43:08,240 --> 01:43:13,760
I've even seen artists burn the original and re mint it on a different chain.

1498
01:43:13,760 --> 01:43:18,360
And I think, um, direct communication like this really shows genuine interest and can

1499
01:43:18,360 --> 01:43:21,080
help build a stronger connection with the artist.

1500
01:43:21,080 --> 01:43:24,680
And also it just creates a more personalized collecting experience.

1501
01:43:24,680 --> 01:43:25,680
I've done this.

1502
01:43:25,680 --> 01:43:31,400
I've seen art that I liked on exchange art and not had any Solana in my wallet and asked

1503
01:43:31,400 --> 01:43:37,120
the artists if they'd be willing to burn it and minted on base or minted on Tezos or whatever.

1504
01:43:37,120 --> 01:43:41,680
So I just wanted to throw that out there, um, as it relates to like jumping chains and

1505
01:43:41,680 --> 01:43:42,680
such.

1506
01:43:42,680 --> 01:43:43,680
Yeah.

1507
01:43:43,680 --> 01:43:52,040
And I'll go back to, to what, and again, look, I, I sometimes I speak on behalf of like the

1508
01:43:52,040 --> 01:43:53,040
world, right?

1509
01:43:53,040 --> 01:43:55,040
And it's just that I need to learn to stop doing that.

1510
01:43:55,040 --> 01:43:59,920
But I do, and I'm not going to, I'm going to still do that right now, right?

1511
01:43:59,920 --> 01:44:03,400
Because I think that it's important and I don't think it's just me that feels the way

1512
01:44:03,400 --> 01:44:05,200
I just stated, right?

1513
01:44:05,200 --> 01:44:08,520
Like I do feel like a lot of people feel the same way and Sierra just provided a great

1514
01:44:08,520 --> 01:44:09,520
solution to that.

1515
01:44:09,520 --> 01:44:10,520
Right.

1516
01:44:10,520 --> 01:44:14,520
And I think that there's more solutions that will come, you know, I don't know in the future,

1517
01:44:14,520 --> 01:44:19,080
how much it matters that you're on one blockchain or another blockchain or whatever.

1518
01:44:19,080 --> 01:44:20,080
Right.

1519
01:44:20,080 --> 01:44:25,520
And I think now like if artists created their own websites and within that website, I had

1520
01:44:25,520 --> 01:44:33,500
a swap that I could use to take my Tezos and convert it to, you know, Solana or whatever

1521
01:44:33,500 --> 01:44:37,960
and then just click the collect button after I was done swapping and it would still go

1522
01:44:37,960 --> 01:44:38,960
to my wallet.

1523
01:44:38,960 --> 01:44:40,840
Then I think that solves the problem, right?

1524
01:44:40,840 --> 01:44:42,680
And that's, that is something you can do.

1525
01:44:42,680 --> 01:44:43,920
Now I don't do that personally.

1526
01:44:43,920 --> 01:44:46,440
I think that's a lot of work to build that out.

1527
01:44:46,440 --> 01:44:49,240
But there, there are artists right now that I know that are working on that for their

1528
01:44:49,240 --> 01:44:50,560
own personal sites.

1529
01:44:50,560 --> 01:44:53,240
So there's solutions around it.

1530
01:44:53,240 --> 01:44:59,320
But to the point of like before, what I was trying to say is that when you move to a blockchain,

1531
01:44:59,320 --> 01:45:01,760
make sure there's somebody there that's collecting, right?

1532
01:45:01,760 --> 01:45:06,640
Like, cause if you're just taking your current collector and you're moving your current collector

1533
01:45:06,640 --> 01:45:10,560
to a new blockchain to collect from you, then you're not growing.

1534
01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:11,560
Right.

1535
01:45:11,560 --> 01:45:15,400
But if you're going to a blockchain that has a collector base that you're, that you don't

1536
01:45:15,400 --> 01:45:19,840
currently interact with and a new base, absolutely like go explore, right?

1537
01:45:19,840 --> 01:45:24,400
Like that's, that's strategically exploring and changing blockchains or platforms or whatever

1538
01:45:24,400 --> 01:45:26,620
you want to call it, depending on what you're doing.

1539
01:45:26,620 --> 01:45:31,820
But to just go and then bring a bunch of people with you, that to me, just, it just seems

1540
01:45:31,820 --> 01:45:36,000
like it's just spinning a lot of wheels and plates and it's not really doing anything

1541
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:38,160
to help you grow at the end of the day.

1542
01:45:38,160 --> 01:45:39,600
You're just helping platforms grow.

1543
01:45:39,600 --> 01:45:40,600
That's what's happening.

1544
01:45:40,600 --> 01:45:44,340
And in a lot of cases and platforms are taking full advantage of it.

1545
01:45:44,340 --> 01:45:49,720
And so are some curators and other people in this space that are pulling you guys all

1546
01:45:49,720 --> 01:45:52,520
along and it's pissing me off.

1547
01:45:52,520 --> 01:45:58,280
So I try to, you know, be as vocal as I can when I see it, because I know what these people

1548
01:45:58,280 --> 01:46:00,120
are doing and we can all see it.

1549
01:46:00,120 --> 01:46:03,280
And sometimes we just still just go along with it.

1550
01:46:03,280 --> 01:46:06,520
And it's, it's frustrating because like I said before, it kind of scatters a little

1551
01:46:06,520 --> 01:46:07,520
bit.

1552
01:46:07,520 --> 01:46:08,520
So

1553
01:46:08,520 --> 01:46:14,680
Kofani, you're raising your hand again.

1554
01:46:14,680 --> 01:46:18,160
Yeah, because I have something else to say.

1555
01:46:18,160 --> 01:46:19,160
So yeah.

1556
01:46:19,160 --> 01:46:22,200
So I get the points.

1557
01:46:22,200 --> 01:46:27,520
So Six Lines coming from, and I understand what Sarah just said, but then I feel like

1558
01:46:27,520 --> 01:46:34,960
it's not easy for, I'm saying sorry.

1559
01:46:34,960 --> 01:46:39,360
It's not easy for artists to, you know, make the decision not to jump, you know, because

1560
01:46:39,360 --> 01:46:41,040
it's like a trend thing.

1561
01:46:41,040 --> 01:46:43,880
You know, you see something happening, like, or you see people moving to this platform

1562
01:46:43,880 --> 01:46:48,720
and then you that have been struggling with sales, like, okay, let me give you an example.

1563
01:46:48,720 --> 01:46:51,960
Everybody, most people here are Nigerians here.

1564
01:46:51,960 --> 01:46:55,000
And most people here are artists in Nigeria.

1565
01:46:55,000 --> 01:46:57,160
And the economy is very bad.

1566
01:46:57,160 --> 01:47:01,120
And although we want to say that, oh, we make ads for, you know, the love of other stuff,

1567
01:47:01,120 --> 01:47:06,000
we all hope that, oh, this art brings in a bit of money that will like sustain us to

1568
01:47:06,000 --> 01:47:07,000
get.

1569
01:47:07,000 --> 01:47:08,360
So I come online.

1570
01:47:08,360 --> 01:47:10,880
I'm not, I'm not saying me like, this is an example.

1571
01:47:10,880 --> 01:47:16,840
I am maybe an artist that has not made a sale, like on foundation for like seven months or

1572
01:47:16,840 --> 01:47:17,840
so.

1573
01:47:17,840 --> 01:47:22,480
And then I come and I see, oh, these people are moving to, you know, maybe object and

1574
01:47:22,480 --> 01:47:25,240
then they are having sales and stuff like that.

1575
01:47:25,240 --> 01:47:29,080
And I see other people moving to like base and stuff like that.

1576
01:47:29,080 --> 01:47:32,280
It would be very hard for me to like hold myself and say, oh, I'm not going to move

1577
01:47:32,280 --> 01:47:35,920
here because there are no like collectors for me here or stuff.

1578
01:47:35,920 --> 01:47:39,440
And there's no like, guaranteed I would see collectors when I moved here.

1579
01:47:39,440 --> 01:47:41,640
Well, I feel like it's just a trend thing.

1580
01:47:41,640 --> 01:47:44,880
You're just like, I just feel like the term is just hope.

1581
01:47:44,880 --> 01:47:48,320
Everybody hopes that, oh, when they get here, when they jump here, that something will happen

1582
01:47:48,320 --> 01:47:49,320
for them.

1583
01:47:49,320 --> 01:47:52,480
Basically, that's what I feel like will happen.

1584
01:47:52,480 --> 01:47:57,080
And even me, I like see, I sometimes have the urge, oh, when I see things happening

1585
01:47:57,080 --> 01:48:00,760
on another platform, although I don't really like like being scattered and stuff, I like

1586
01:48:00,760 --> 01:48:01,760
planning my stuff.

1587
01:48:01,760 --> 01:48:03,800
If not, I would have been on a lot of platforms.

1588
01:48:03,800 --> 01:48:07,320
So I just feel like it's not as easy as we would want it to be.

1589
01:48:07,320 --> 01:48:08,320
We get.

1590
01:48:08,320 --> 01:48:11,080
Well, yeah, the advice is really great.

1591
01:48:11,080 --> 01:48:14,360
And I hope a lot of people learn from what you had to say.

1592
01:48:14,360 --> 01:48:17,760
Sarah, your hand's up.

1593
01:48:17,760 --> 01:48:18,760
Yeah.

1594
01:48:18,760 --> 01:48:19,760
Okay.

1595
01:48:19,760 --> 01:48:28,600
I just wanted to kind of add on to what Static mentioned and also address Mo's question about

1596
01:48:28,600 --> 01:48:36,520
sales, address your concern about just diversifying your approach and staying relevant in the

1597
01:48:36,520 --> 01:48:38,000
space.

1598
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:43,920
I have to say, like, I almost feel like the bad guy when I say this, but like, as a curator,

1599
01:48:43,920 --> 01:48:50,680
I'm constantly in the position of reminding artists that they have chosen one of the hardest

1600
01:48:50,680 --> 01:48:53,880
careers and no one told you to do that.

1601
01:48:53,880 --> 01:48:55,080
Let me just put that out there.

1602
01:48:55,080 --> 01:48:59,000
You have chosen one of the hardest careers.

1603
01:48:59,000 --> 01:49:03,680
You didn't go and become a nurse where there's always sick people that you can treat.

1604
01:49:03,680 --> 01:49:07,560
You didn't go and ride on the back of a garbage truck where there's always trash to be picked

1605
01:49:07,560 --> 01:49:08,560
up.

1606
01:49:08,560 --> 01:49:09,560
You chose to be an artist.

1607
01:49:09,560 --> 01:49:16,480
And when you choose to be an artist, you have to be patient and you have to persevere.

1608
01:49:16,480 --> 01:49:20,720
Building a following and creating sales takes time.

1609
01:49:20,720 --> 01:49:25,280
And staying committed to the journey is difficult, but it's key.

1610
01:49:25,280 --> 01:49:31,160
I always encourage artists to diversify their approach, experiment with new styles, explore

1611
01:49:31,160 --> 01:49:34,960
different platforms, actively engage with their community.

1612
01:49:34,960 --> 01:49:39,360
You have to be willing to try new things and be open to change because it keeps your work

1613
01:49:39,360 --> 01:49:45,200
fresh, but it also broadens your audience and helps you reach potential collectors in unexpected

1614
01:49:45,200 --> 01:49:46,480
places.

1615
01:49:46,480 --> 01:49:53,520
As an artist, you have to understand talent alone does not guarantee success.

1616
01:49:53,520 --> 01:49:58,880
Success in art is a mix of talent, resilience, and adaptability.

1617
01:49:58,880 --> 01:50:03,640
So I know it's not, I know no one wants to hear, well, pick a different job, but that's

1618
01:50:03,640 --> 01:50:05,300
the reality of the situation.

1619
01:50:05,300 --> 01:50:10,500
You chose a hard life and I'm not trying to be nasty or mean.

1620
01:50:10,500 --> 01:50:13,360
Any established artist will tell you it wasn't easy.

1621
01:50:13,360 --> 01:50:14,360
It was difficult.

1622
01:50:14,360 --> 01:50:17,280
There were trials and tribulations.

1623
01:50:17,280 --> 01:50:20,300
To be honest, I don't know any artist who's had it easy.

1624
01:50:20,300 --> 01:50:25,600
Even the big ones who make it seem easy usually had to struggle for years with no sales or

1625
01:50:25,600 --> 01:50:28,020
low sales before they got where they were.

1626
01:50:28,020 --> 01:50:30,480
So just please keep that in mind.

1627
01:50:30,480 --> 01:50:32,640
Talent alone doesn't guarantee success.

1628
01:50:32,640 --> 01:50:34,640
Be patient and persevere.

1629
01:50:34,640 --> 01:50:36,000
Keep making your art.

1630
01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:40,000
Keep making it because if you stop making it and sharing it, you're counting yourself

1631
01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:43,280
out before anyone else can.

1632
01:50:43,280 --> 01:50:53,800
Yeah, Sarah, that's actually very real because my mother told me to be a doctor.

1633
01:50:53,800 --> 01:50:54,800
I don't even know.

1634
01:50:54,800 --> 01:50:56,560
It's me that's wanted to be an artist.

1635
01:50:56,560 --> 01:50:58,960
So I have the right to complain.

1636
01:50:58,960 --> 01:51:03,960
And yeah, I actually, what you just said now, I actually try to keep it in mind every time

1637
01:51:03,960 --> 01:51:05,560
like, oh, I should not rush it.

1638
01:51:05,560 --> 01:51:07,520
I should just remember to be patient and stuff.

1639
01:51:07,520 --> 01:51:10,520
And although my mother wanted me to be a doctor, she still reminded me that, oh, you're the

1640
01:51:10,520 --> 01:51:12,040
one that chose this hard life.

1641
01:51:12,040 --> 01:51:13,040
So you have to just stay there.

1642
01:51:13,040 --> 01:51:14,040
You have to just keep going.

1643
01:51:14,040 --> 01:51:19,360
You can't even, I can't even give up because the way my parents have pushed me, they say

1644
01:51:19,360 --> 01:51:23,920
since you're not a doctor, better stop at the end and get what you want to get.

1645
01:51:23,920 --> 01:51:27,840
So yeah, it's important I remember all this kind of sense you get.

1646
01:51:27,840 --> 01:51:33,080
So I'm not done with what I want to say, but like so 6'9", you can have the floor.

1647
01:51:33,080 --> 01:51:34,080
Yeah.

1648
01:51:34,080 --> 01:51:39,200
So I just wanted to kind of go back to two things you said about like you see people

1649
01:51:39,200 --> 01:51:42,760
kind of jumping and it's hard not to, right?

1650
01:51:42,760 --> 01:51:43,760
Like when you see it.

1651
01:51:43,760 --> 01:51:45,240
So two things.

1652
01:51:45,240 --> 01:51:52,200
One, so when we decided we were going to go over to Solana, we went as a group, right?

1653
01:51:52,200 --> 01:51:54,520
Like, and that was really, really important.

1654
01:51:54,520 --> 01:51:57,280
And it was very strategic and intentional, right?

1655
01:51:57,280 --> 01:52:03,040
Like we didn't mint anything until we had 70 people that were all willing to mint the

1656
01:52:03,040 --> 01:52:07,640
stuff that we had, collectors that were lined up that were new collectors and existing.

1657
01:52:07,640 --> 01:52:10,760
And some people in our group are like, let's go, let's get this curation underway.

1658
01:52:10,760 --> 01:52:11,760
What are we waiting on?

1659
01:52:11,760 --> 01:52:12,760
Right?

1660
01:52:12,760 --> 01:52:16,760
But like we went in December, we didn't do our curation until February, right?

1661
01:52:16,760 --> 01:52:18,120
It's okay to wait sometimes.

1662
01:52:18,120 --> 01:52:20,020
There's no rush, right?

1663
01:52:20,020 --> 01:52:25,640
And I posted a link in the, whatever, the bubble thing at the bottom, I don't know whatever

1664
01:52:25,640 --> 01:52:26,640
it's called, the comments.

1665
01:52:26,640 --> 01:52:27,640
I pinned it.

1666
01:52:27,640 --> 01:52:28,640
Oh yeah.

1667
01:52:28,640 --> 01:52:31,120
So Vulcan just pulled it up, right?

1668
01:52:31,120 --> 01:52:34,440
So like, and this is kind of what I was talking about before, like you can do the research

1669
01:52:34,440 --> 01:52:36,120
before you jump, right?

1670
01:52:36,120 --> 01:52:39,000
Because there are times that you want to go somewhere else, right?

1671
01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:44,280
You could be in a sinking ship and you don't want to stay and be the last person holding,

1672
01:52:44,280 --> 01:52:48,040
you know, on for dear life as all of your friends leave and go somewhere else that's

1673
01:52:48,040 --> 01:52:49,420
currently thriving, right?

1674
01:52:49,420 --> 01:52:51,360
So that website is called Dappradar.

1675
01:52:51,360 --> 01:52:54,380
It's one of many, but this is one that I personally like.

1676
01:52:54,380 --> 01:52:57,520
And a lot of these different platforms are on there and blockchains and you can see all

1677
01:52:57,520 --> 01:53:01,640
their trends by 30 days, 90 days a year.

1678
01:53:01,640 --> 01:53:05,880
And you just want to look and see like, you know, the thing you don't want to see is when

1679
01:53:05,880 --> 01:53:10,200
your artists are really like heavily outweighing your collectors.

1680
01:53:10,200 --> 01:53:12,840
So that's like just something I kind of keep in mind.

1681
01:53:12,840 --> 01:53:14,960
Like you'll see, it'll break it down for you.

1682
01:53:14,960 --> 01:53:16,840
You'll see artists and collectors, right?

1683
01:53:16,840 --> 01:53:20,280
And when you see that it's really outweighed, then you know the competition is really, really

1684
01:53:20,280 --> 01:53:21,280
heavy.

1685
01:53:21,280 --> 01:53:24,120
But when you see a place that has a lot of collectors in it and maybe the same amount

1686
01:53:24,120 --> 01:53:27,440
of artists or even less artists than collectors, well, then that's probably a good choice,

1687
01:53:27,440 --> 01:53:28,440
right?

1688
01:53:28,440 --> 01:53:31,320
And if you see that the trends are going up and they're consistently going up, then that's

1689
01:53:31,320 --> 01:53:33,360
probably a good choice too, right?

1690
01:53:33,360 --> 01:53:36,400
So don't just see, you know, it's like that.

1691
01:53:36,400 --> 01:53:37,400
What is it?

1692
01:53:37,400 --> 01:53:40,240
The lemmings where everybody like walks off the cliff because the person in front of them

1693
01:53:40,240 --> 01:53:41,440
walks off the cliff, right?

1694
01:53:41,440 --> 01:53:42,920
Like we don't have to do that.

1695
01:53:42,920 --> 01:53:47,480
Like there's so this isn't years ago where there's not ways to research the stuff.

1696
01:53:47,480 --> 01:53:51,960
There's like I have in my bookmarks, like on my computer, like just, oh my God, like

1697
01:53:51,960 --> 01:53:52,960
I don't even know.

1698
01:53:52,960 --> 01:53:57,960
I have a folder called research and it's just like 50 or 60 websites that are all solid

1699
01:53:57,960 --> 01:54:00,800
sites depending on what I'm trying to do, right?

1700
01:54:00,800 --> 01:54:04,760
And I think that that's important to kind of have those links, but that's one for you.

1701
01:54:04,760 --> 01:54:10,440
And yeah, just to help you do a little bit of legwork before you go.

1702
01:54:10,440 --> 01:54:14,120
Thank you, Static.

1703
01:54:14,120 --> 01:54:20,800
Also, I wanted to kind of like, yeah, I don't know if you didn't answer, you didn't answer

1704
01:54:20,800 --> 01:54:27,480
that question I asked before about, yeah, finding yourself in competition with other

1705
01:54:27,480 --> 01:54:30,000
collectives and stuff.

1706
01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:34,680
I know CRS did, but I think you didn't have an opportunity to.

1707
01:54:34,680 --> 01:54:39,800
No, I don't believe in competition or, well, I believe in competition, but no, I'm not

1708
01:54:39,800 --> 01:54:41,080
in competition with collectives.

1709
01:54:41,080 --> 01:54:46,760
I don't, I'm not in competition with anybody in the space nor what I want to be, you know,

1710
01:54:46,760 --> 01:54:49,440
so that's my take on it.

1711
01:54:49,440 --> 01:54:53,080
It's about all I can say on it really, so.

1712
01:54:53,080 --> 01:54:55,080
Yeah, that's great.

1713
01:54:55,080 --> 01:54:58,840
Moses, do you have another question?

1714
01:54:58,840 --> 01:55:01,040
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1715
01:55:01,040 --> 01:55:06,400
So I just wanted to add to some of the things that have been said here before.

1716
01:55:06,400 --> 01:55:07,400
Yeah, true.

1717
01:55:07,400 --> 01:55:16,120
I would feel that, you know, being an artist, right, it's a big deal.

1718
01:55:16,120 --> 01:55:21,320
You know, it's you choosing to pursue your passion, pursue your love, and a lot of times,

1719
01:55:21,320 --> 01:55:26,480
you know, these things, you know, it might not just give you the financial reward you're

1720
01:55:26,480 --> 01:55:28,200
looking for as much.

1721
01:55:28,200 --> 01:55:36,960
So what you just do is you try to survive, which is like what a lot of people try.

1722
01:55:36,960 --> 01:55:38,440
I've done that myself.

1723
01:55:38,440 --> 01:55:40,000
Like a lot of times I've...

1724
01:55:40,000 --> 01:55:41,000
Sorry, good.

1725
01:55:41,000 --> 01:55:48,400
I thought I was making my baby just off the mic on me.

1726
01:55:48,400 --> 01:55:53,560
So yeah, so a lot of times I put myself in positions where I just have to do stuff to

1727
01:55:53,560 --> 01:55:54,560
survive.

1728
01:55:54,560 --> 01:55:58,840
I have to take up jobs where I know that, you know, this doesn't pay well, but it will

1729
01:55:58,840 --> 01:56:00,840
just keep me going for the meantime.

1730
01:56:00,840 --> 01:56:05,240
So I feel like, you know, so if you are the one that know yourself better, if you know

1731
01:56:05,240 --> 01:56:10,120
that you need the money and maybe this is what you survive on, you could just take up

1732
01:56:10,120 --> 01:56:11,120
something.

1733
01:56:11,120 --> 01:56:15,560
So I think that that goes a long way to answer a lot of the questions that you need to decide

1734
01:56:15,560 --> 01:56:18,120
for yourself beyond anybody telling you.

1735
01:56:18,120 --> 01:56:24,000
So if you find some platforms that maybe, but you know, they pay a little no matter

1736
01:56:24,000 --> 01:56:26,000
what, just keep going.

1737
01:56:26,000 --> 01:56:28,800
Just keep going and don't give up as Sarah said.

1738
01:56:28,800 --> 01:56:29,800
Don't give up.

1739
01:56:29,800 --> 01:56:33,560
Just keep pushing through and then, you know, one day you meet your big sale or you meet

1740
01:56:33,560 --> 01:56:38,080
your big whatever connection or whatever as an artist.

1741
01:56:38,080 --> 01:56:39,080
Keep going.

1742
01:56:39,080 --> 01:56:40,080
Yeah.

1743
01:56:40,080 --> 01:56:41,080
Thank you.

1744
01:56:41,080 --> 01:56:42,080
Thank you, Moses.

1745
01:56:42,080 --> 01:56:46,080
And yeah, I think your baby needs your attention.

1746
01:56:46,080 --> 01:56:50,320
So can I think to her now, flower man?

1747
01:56:50,320 --> 01:56:59,640
At the same time, I think, um, Keane, yeah, you want to ask the question?

1748
01:56:59,640 --> 01:57:00,640
I'm doing good, man.

1749
01:57:00,640 --> 01:57:01,960
I slept a little bit.

1750
01:57:01,960 --> 01:57:07,360
Well, I slept a little bit less than I thought I would, but it's been worked since, since

1751
01:57:07,360 --> 01:57:08,800
I last talked to you.

1752
01:57:08,800 --> 01:57:14,400
But yeah, so I sell on, I think like last count, I sell on like seven blockchains or

1753
01:57:14,400 --> 01:57:16,920
I've sold on seven blockchains.

1754
01:57:16,920 --> 01:57:24,960
And the, I agree with what, um, what soul said, which is, um, we're not really, I don't

1755
01:57:24,960 --> 01:57:26,400
think we're competing with each other here.

1756
01:57:26,400 --> 01:57:32,040
I think that we're effectively all competing against our relative circumstances.

1757
01:57:32,040 --> 01:57:36,720
And the beautiful thing about here, at least for me is that once someone, it's not, it's

1758
01:57:36,720 --> 01:57:37,880
not a zero sum game.

1759
01:57:37,880 --> 01:57:39,960
When someone makes money, I didn't lose money.

1760
01:57:39,960 --> 01:57:44,000
When someone does well, I didn't do poorly because I didn't do well.

1761
01:57:44,000 --> 01:57:47,120
And when every time someone does, I'm a musician.

1762
01:57:47,120 --> 01:57:51,180
So I do crypto music and like VLN just sold a song for one Bitcoin.

1763
01:57:51,180 --> 01:57:53,480
That positively impacts my environment.

1764
01:57:53,480 --> 01:57:54,480
It's a good thing.

1765
01:57:54,480 --> 01:57:57,560
It's the better we all do collectively rising tides.

1766
01:57:57,560 --> 01:57:59,040
So goes the adage.

1767
01:57:59,040 --> 01:58:04,040
Um, I do think, however, when you go to different, it's important for artists to be diversified.

1768
01:58:04,040 --> 01:58:07,600
Like I, I never had any delusions of my own ability.

1769
01:58:07,600 --> 01:58:09,800
I'm a, I make mid musical.

1770
01:58:09,800 --> 01:58:11,640
It's mid it's good mid, but it's mid.

1771
01:58:11,640 --> 01:58:13,080
I'm a novice artist.

1772
01:58:13,080 --> 01:58:14,900
I've never did visual art till I came here.

1773
01:58:14,900 --> 01:58:20,920
So that's four years and, um, whatever I lack in technical skill, I try to make up for

1774
01:58:20,920 --> 01:58:26,640
an innovation, but I know that I'm, I'm even at my best, I'm still going to be catering

1775
01:58:26,640 --> 01:58:32,480
to very niche niche of a niche of this particular in this community is a niche.

1776
01:58:32,480 --> 01:58:34,360
So it's a niche of a niche of a niche of a niche.

1777
01:58:34,360 --> 01:58:37,760
So I'm not going to find all of my people in one place.

1778
01:58:37,760 --> 01:58:43,520
And since my collector base or what would be my collector base, if they ever saw my

1779
01:58:43,520 --> 01:58:45,840
work or knew me, they don't know me.

1780
01:58:45,840 --> 01:58:49,080
I have to go find them and they're not going to come find me.

1781
01:58:49,080 --> 01:58:51,520
I'm not going to be a fair in the air that draws them all to me.

1782
01:58:51,520 --> 01:58:53,600
I'm going to have to go seek them where they are.

1783
01:58:53,600 --> 01:58:56,120
And that will likely be on different chains.

1784
01:58:56,120 --> 01:59:00,140
So I go to different chains and just immerse myself in who's there.

1785
01:59:00,140 --> 01:59:03,280
Like there's a community pretty much everywhere that you're going to go.

1786
01:59:03,280 --> 01:59:07,000
I just figure out why that community is there, what they like about it, you know, what's

1787
01:59:07,000 --> 01:59:11,160
positive about it and how can I fit in?

1788
01:59:11,160 --> 01:59:16,040
And that's kind of how I've managed to stay as diversified because the light isn't always

1789
01:59:16,040 --> 01:59:17,040
shining everywhere.

1790
01:59:17,040 --> 01:59:23,840
You know, in 2021 and even in the early 22, I was doing great on tests.

1791
01:59:23,840 --> 01:59:24,840
I did great on test.

1792
01:59:24,840 --> 01:59:25,840
I love tests.

1793
01:59:25,840 --> 01:59:28,760
This is awesome.

1794
01:59:28,760 --> 01:59:33,200
And I was on Calamans and you know, with Calamans was still a thing and it was a great time.

1795
01:59:33,200 --> 01:59:39,840
But as I saw the light, I saw the light moves around, I knew it wouldn't always be on tests.

1796
01:59:39,840 --> 01:59:45,760
So Bitcoin, I was doing counterparty and did ordinals and ETH and Matic and Neer and I

1797
01:59:45,760 --> 01:59:52,040
just try stuff because it's not so much the blockchains represent some greater emancipation

1798
01:59:52,040 --> 01:59:55,080
of the free mind or whatever thing people be saying that went to school longer than

1799
01:59:55,080 --> 01:59:56,080
I did.

1800
01:59:56,080 --> 02:00:01,240
It's just the people who are prone to like what I make, I have to go find them.

1801
02:00:01,240 --> 02:00:04,080
And sometimes they'll come across chain for me like every day.

1802
02:00:04,080 --> 02:00:07,080
That's a really big honor when they do like I don't expect them to.

1803
02:00:07,080 --> 02:00:13,680
But when they do, I'm very flattered and humbled because someone changing their rupees to transact

1804
02:00:13,680 --> 02:00:20,160
in Naira for me, just for me is a big deal because it's not like they want to do that.

1805
02:00:20,160 --> 02:00:22,560
If they were they wanted to do that, they would have been doing it.

1806
02:00:22,560 --> 02:00:24,540
They're doing it for this particular drop.

1807
02:00:24,540 --> 02:00:27,000
So I'd rather just deal with the people who transact in Naira.

1808
02:00:27,000 --> 02:00:32,880
When I do something in yen, I deal with the people who can constantly transact in yen.

1809
02:00:32,880 --> 02:00:39,200
But I do think that it's important that it's good and that was already said, I just want

1810
02:00:39,200 --> 02:00:46,680
to reiterate that a few hundred years off the clock, like musicians, artists, actors,

1811
02:00:46,680 --> 02:00:51,600
magicians, prostitutes, we were all in the red light district.

1812
02:00:51,600 --> 02:00:59,920
This is not a way of life or a vocation you pursue because this is going to be a not a

1813
02:00:59,920 --> 02:01:02,980
struggle, but this is going to be a task.

1814
02:01:02,980 --> 02:01:07,160
And it's going to take a lot to be a successful artist, the same as it takes a lot to be a

1815
02:01:07,160 --> 02:01:09,400
successful athlete.

1816
02:01:09,400 --> 02:01:12,280
Everyone who does this is not guaranteed success.

1817
02:01:12,280 --> 02:01:17,160
And I think sometimes what happens is artists, it happened to me, early success, you forget

1818
02:01:17,160 --> 02:01:19,200
that this is hard.

1819
02:01:19,200 --> 02:01:24,200
And that's why it's important for conversations like this to lean on each other, gain perspective,

1820
02:01:24,200 --> 02:01:27,000
because who's going to understand what you're doing more than someone else who's doing it?

1821
02:01:27,000 --> 02:01:32,480
And that's the main reason why I think collaboration, even if not, like I don't do a lot of features,

1822
02:01:32,480 --> 02:01:37,360
like I don't do a lot of music with other people, but I collaborate conversationally,

1823
02:01:37,360 --> 02:01:41,600
I collaborate socially, emotionally, you know, we collaborate that way.

1824
02:01:41,600 --> 02:01:47,240
And that's just as, or at least to me, more important than collaborating artistically,

1825
02:01:47,240 --> 02:01:56,560
because it helps to regain perspective and make this burden not as heavy to lift.

1826
02:01:56,560 --> 02:01:59,120
Thank you for sharing your insights, Ken.

1827
02:01:59,120 --> 02:02:04,720
That was really, really, yeah, just really, really thoughtful and everything.

1828
02:02:04,720 --> 02:02:08,200
Tafany, you want to say something?

1829
02:02:08,200 --> 02:02:18,360
One second, I think I've forgotten my hand in the first place.

1830
02:02:18,360 --> 02:02:25,320
But yeah, I just wanted to say the ideas that Kane had were really good, the collaborative

1831
02:02:25,320 --> 02:02:26,320
sofa and everything.

1832
02:02:26,320 --> 02:02:27,320
I don't remember my question.

1833
02:02:27,320 --> 02:02:28,320
So, I'm so sick now, you can go ahead.

1834
02:02:28,320 --> 02:02:29,320
Hey, Ken, this is static.

1835
02:02:29,320 --> 02:02:30,320
I don't know if I've talked to you on this account before, but I'm just going to go ahead

1836
02:02:30,320 --> 02:02:31,320
and talk to you.

1837
02:02:31,320 --> 02:02:42,800
Hey, look, I, you know, earlier, I don't know when you popped in the room or not, but like,

1838
02:02:42,800 --> 02:02:47,600
you know, I was talking a little bit about some of the blockchain hopping and platform

1839
02:02:47,600 --> 02:02:52,120
hopping and, you know, kind of having a strategy behind if you're going to hop and kind of

1840
02:02:52,120 --> 02:02:55,360
knowing where you're going before just following the group off the cliff.

1841
02:02:55,360 --> 02:02:56,360
Right.

1842
02:02:56,360 --> 02:03:00,760
So like, you kind of talked about just a second ago, like you've gone through these seven

1843
02:03:00,760 --> 02:03:01,760
blockchains.

1844
02:03:01,760 --> 02:03:07,520
So can you maybe provide some insight in what you do to kind of prepare or know that you

1845
02:03:07,520 --> 02:03:10,200
want to go somewhere before you just kind of jump in there?

1846
02:03:10,200 --> 02:03:12,320
Yeah, I'd love to.

1847
02:03:12,320 --> 02:03:14,840
And I think that's the that's the main part of it.

1848
02:03:14,840 --> 02:03:16,600
It's intent.

1849
02:03:16,600 --> 02:03:19,840
And it's not self-deprecating.

1850
02:03:19,840 --> 02:03:22,160
I think I'm handsomer than everyone here.

1851
02:03:22,160 --> 02:03:23,400
I think I made better eggs.

1852
02:03:23,400 --> 02:03:25,560
I have a very good sense of my own self, right.

1853
02:03:25,560 --> 02:03:32,920
Artistically and vocationally, I don't think that I show up and it's a hey, everyone, Kane

1854
02:03:32,920 --> 02:03:33,920
Mayfield's here.

1855
02:03:33,920 --> 02:03:36,720
So get your get your crypto out because it's about to make it rain on my.

1856
02:03:36,720 --> 02:03:38,880
No, that's not going to happen.

1857
02:03:38,880 --> 02:03:40,760
Everywhere has their own culture.

1858
02:03:40,760 --> 02:03:46,040
So when artists like I did OK on counterparty, I did I did I did I did all right.

1859
02:03:46,040 --> 02:03:48,520
Artists will go, hey, so it's happening over there.

1860
02:03:48,520 --> 02:03:49,520
Right.

1861
02:03:49,520 --> 02:03:50,520
And I go, whoa, whoa, whoa.

1862
02:03:50,520 --> 02:03:53,160
No, no one over there is stupid.

1863
02:03:53,160 --> 02:03:55,760
No one over there is financially promiscuous.

1864
02:03:55,760 --> 02:03:58,360
They like frogs and Bitcoin church art.

1865
02:03:58,360 --> 02:04:00,840
I'm the one would you make.

1866
02:04:00,840 --> 02:04:01,960
That's what they like over there.

1867
02:04:01,960 --> 02:04:04,840
They like frogs and they like Bitcoin church art.

1868
02:04:04,840 --> 02:04:06,800
Do you make frogs or Bitcoin church art?

1869
02:04:06,800 --> 02:04:07,800
No.

1870
02:04:07,800 --> 02:04:11,040
Well, then you're going to have a rough road to hope because that's all they care about.

1871
02:04:11,040 --> 02:04:12,040
And let me tell you something.

1872
02:04:12,040 --> 02:04:13,040
They are very direct.

1873
02:04:13,040 --> 02:04:16,300
They like frogs and they like Bitcoin church art.

1874
02:04:16,300 --> 02:04:22,800
So I went and I sat and I listened and I hung around and participating in the community

1875
02:04:22,800 --> 02:04:27,040
is not just here's what I have for sale.

1876
02:04:27,040 --> 02:04:31,440
Participating in the community is immersing yourself in more of the non tangible of why

1877
02:04:31,440 --> 02:04:33,480
that community is still together.

1878
02:04:33,480 --> 02:04:37,720
The counterparty people were here prior to there being money in this.

1879
02:04:37,720 --> 02:04:39,240
So they like each other.

1880
02:04:39,240 --> 02:04:42,220
They've been in the same group chat since 2017.

1881
02:04:42,220 --> 02:04:46,080
So I'm in that group chat and I can't go back as far as them.

1882
02:04:46,080 --> 02:04:50,840
I can't scroll up as far, but I'm listening and I'm understanding and I ask questions

1883
02:04:50,840 --> 02:04:56,800
and I chime in if I know something or if I think something and I just become a participant.

1884
02:04:56,800 --> 02:05:01,880
So every if you break it down like New York, if you're selling weed, I know this is a terrible

1885
02:05:01,880 --> 02:05:03,800
example of selling weed in New York.

1886
02:05:03,800 --> 02:05:05,160
I'm from Long Island.

1887
02:05:05,160 --> 02:05:08,440
If I'm in the city, wherever I am, they think I'm from there.

1888
02:05:08,440 --> 02:05:12,400
When I'm in Queens, they think I'm from Queens because they see me in Queens and they don't

1889
02:05:12,400 --> 02:05:14,160
see me as like, hey, what's up guys?

1890
02:05:14,160 --> 02:05:15,880
Just coming to Queens, make a couple sales.

1891
02:05:15,880 --> 02:05:16,880
No, no, no, no, no.

1892
02:05:16,880 --> 02:05:17,880
It's your what up?

1893
02:05:17,880 --> 02:05:18,880
How you been?

1894
02:05:18,880 --> 02:05:19,880
What's going on?

1895
02:05:19,880 --> 02:05:20,880
What's that?

1896
02:05:20,880 --> 02:05:22,320
Oh, word, what you do?

1897
02:05:22,320 --> 02:05:23,720
Oh, that's crazy, man.

1898
02:05:23,720 --> 02:05:25,400
All right, well, I'll catch you guys later.

1899
02:05:25,400 --> 02:05:27,360
I'm just around.

1900
02:05:27,360 --> 02:05:35,280
And I think diversifying community is you also have to diversify communication vehicles.

1901
02:05:35,280 --> 02:05:41,840
There's five pillars of like NFT crypto social media and there I break, they don't have to

1902
02:05:41,840 --> 02:05:45,920
be overly New York centric, but five boroughs again, Twitter is Manhattan.

1903
02:05:45,920 --> 02:05:49,320
It's shiny and gaudy and it's a lot of people selling stuff and a lot of fake purses.

1904
02:05:49,320 --> 02:05:51,560
You know, a lot of Gucci purses and stuff.

1905
02:05:51,560 --> 02:05:52,560
Brooklyn is discord.

1906
02:05:52,560 --> 02:05:55,280
I mean, I know a lot of artists don't like discord.

1907
02:05:55,280 --> 02:05:59,920
I don't think that you need to like it, but I do think it's necessary.

1908
02:05:59,920 --> 02:06:03,360
And I'm not talking about grinding in discord chats for air drops.

1909
02:06:03,360 --> 02:06:08,200
I mean, actively going where they talk about things you like and participating in whatever

1910
02:06:08,200 --> 02:06:13,440
that conversation is organically because you're actually interested in what's going on.

1911
02:06:13,440 --> 02:06:16,920
Telegrams, Queens, Clubhouse is the Bronx.

1912
02:06:16,920 --> 02:06:18,240
I know people think Clubhouse is dead.

1913
02:06:18,240 --> 02:06:19,240
I'm still on Clubhouse.

1914
02:06:19,240 --> 02:06:25,040
I was on Clubhouse last night and Reddit is stat now because it's weird.

1915
02:06:25,040 --> 02:06:30,280
But as you move around those places, those are where you'll just find people and those

1916
02:06:30,280 --> 02:06:34,120
people as you engage in conversations are all going to be from different places.

1917
02:06:34,120 --> 02:06:39,680
I'll be on Reddit in a, you know, in just a thread and I'll say something and someone

1918
02:06:39,680 --> 02:06:41,840
will say something else and we're joking going back and forth.

1919
02:06:41,840 --> 02:06:45,280
And after a while it's like, Hey, well, you know, I, as a, you know, I make crypto art,

1920
02:06:45,280 --> 02:06:46,280
so I blah, blah, blah, blah.

1921
02:06:46,280 --> 02:06:47,640
It just comes out organically in conversation.

1922
02:06:47,640 --> 02:06:48,640
Oh, what do you do?

1923
02:06:48,640 --> 02:06:49,640
Oh man, I buy on soul.

1924
02:06:49,640 --> 02:06:50,640
Do you put anything on soul?

1925
02:06:50,640 --> 02:06:55,880
Oh, no, I actually haven't been on so dude, you gotta, you gotta come to this group chat,

1926
02:06:55,880 --> 02:06:56,880
man.

1927
02:06:56,880 --> 02:06:57,880
We would love to do came school.

1928
02:06:57,880 --> 02:06:58,880
Come come over here.

1929
02:06:58,880 --> 02:07:01,160
And then I go over there and then I hang out for a while.

1930
02:07:01,160 --> 02:07:06,960
I don't just meet stuff hoping I meant stuff with a target audience in mind.

1931
02:07:06,960 --> 02:07:09,000
I make stuff for the people who live there.

1932
02:07:09,000 --> 02:07:14,960
And again, if any of my organic audience or my base or my 12, my 12 fans or collectors

1933
02:07:14,960 --> 02:07:19,740
or whatever follow me over there, that's also a really cool win.

1934
02:07:19,740 --> 02:07:26,320
But I much rather focus on meeting new people in those places and relying on the culture

1935
02:07:26,320 --> 02:07:27,640
to kind of carry me through.

1936
02:07:27,640 --> 02:07:32,720
Like, so if I'm on ETH, ETH is a little bit more what you're doing, what to do.

1937
02:07:32,720 --> 02:07:37,720
You know, they got a lot of toys, so they're very used to what you're doing, what to do.

1938
02:07:37,720 --> 02:07:41,200
Tez is a feelings community, so they want to know the story.

1939
02:07:41,200 --> 02:07:46,040
And you know, you can go to Tez right now, anyone can go to Object, open up a Kukai while

1940
02:07:46,040 --> 02:07:47,240
it drops something on Object.

1941
02:07:47,240 --> 02:07:49,440
But who knows it's there?

1942
02:07:49,440 --> 02:07:50,960
No one knows it's there.

1943
02:07:50,960 --> 02:07:53,320
You're a rapper putting something on SoundCloud.

1944
02:07:53,320 --> 02:07:56,620
The record labels didn't hear it because they don't even know you exist.

1945
02:07:56,620 --> 02:08:02,480
So it's important, I think, to show up on the radar of the people who are there.

1946
02:08:02,480 --> 02:08:07,120
And because I don't think we're all super duper ultra unique snowflakes, there's gonna

1947
02:08:07,120 --> 02:08:14,080
be people who make kind of something like you there, and you go find them.

1948
02:08:14,080 --> 02:08:17,040
And since we're not competing with each other, at least I don't think we're competing with

1949
02:08:17,040 --> 02:08:19,820
each other, it's always been very welcoming.

1950
02:08:19,820 --> 02:08:20,820
It's like, hey, I do AI.

1951
02:08:20,820 --> 02:08:21,820
You know, I do AI.

1952
02:08:21,820 --> 02:08:22,820
Oh, cool.

1953
02:08:22,820 --> 02:08:23,820
That's what's up, man.

1954
02:08:23,820 --> 02:08:24,820
You know, what do you use?

1955
02:08:24,820 --> 02:08:27,280
And now we're having a conversation about AI.

1956
02:08:27,280 --> 02:08:32,160
And I think the best way to get to the root of those things is the question, you know,

1957
02:08:32,160 --> 02:08:35,520
if you don't mind me asking, like I'll say.

1958
02:08:35,520 --> 02:08:37,720
And your voice sounds familiar.

1959
02:08:37,720 --> 02:08:38,720
I know I know you.

1960
02:08:38,720 --> 02:08:39,720
I just don't know this account.

1961
02:08:39,720 --> 02:08:41,960
So I'll just say soul for now for the sake of simplicity.

1962
02:08:41,960 --> 02:08:42,960
I'll say soul.

1963
02:08:42,960 --> 02:08:43,960
Obviously you're on soul.

1964
02:08:43,960 --> 02:08:46,760
If you don't mind me asking, what do you like about soul?

1965
02:08:46,760 --> 02:08:50,000
If you ask an artist why they meant somewhere, they're gonna tell you 50 reasons why it's

1966
02:08:50,000 --> 02:08:51,000
the best idea in the world.

1967
02:08:51,000 --> 02:08:52,000
Oh, man, let me tell you.

1968
02:08:52,000 --> 02:08:55,300
See, the thing about soul is, and he's gonna tell you 50 reasons why it's great.

1969
02:08:55,300 --> 02:08:59,240
And I'll ask 20 more people why they meant on soul.

1970
02:08:59,240 --> 02:09:03,260
And I'll find that the answers start getting repetitive, and then I can start zeroing in

1971
02:09:03,260 --> 02:09:06,080
on what the benefits are of going there.

1972
02:09:06,080 --> 02:09:10,320
And if I have something to contribute meaningfully to that ecosystem, I'll try to.

1973
02:09:10,320 --> 02:09:12,040
If I don't, I won't.

1974
02:09:12,040 --> 02:09:13,640
I'll use soul.

1975
02:09:13,640 --> 02:09:16,740
I just didn't think what I had at the time fit into what I was seeing.

1976
02:09:16,740 --> 02:09:17,740
So I just didn't.

1977
02:09:17,740 --> 02:09:18,740
Still cool with everybody.

1978
02:09:18,740 --> 02:09:19,740
I just didn't make anything.

1979
02:09:19,740 --> 02:09:20,740
Avax.

1980
02:09:20,740 --> 02:09:23,480
I didn't do anything on Avax until like a month ago.

1981
02:09:23,480 --> 02:09:28,720
So it's just being patient, you know, looking to find your people.

1982
02:09:28,720 --> 02:09:35,560
And the best way to do that is to show up in these social media vehicles and just broadcast

1983
02:09:35,560 --> 02:09:36,760
your like a lighthouse.

1984
02:09:36,760 --> 02:09:39,920
You shine your authentic light into the darkness of the Internet.

1985
02:09:39,920 --> 02:09:43,920
The people who can see your wavelength and can resonate with it will row their boats

1986
02:09:43,920 --> 02:09:45,600
towards you.

1987
02:09:45,600 --> 02:09:48,800
And depending on how weird you are, it may take a while for them to get to you.

1988
02:09:48,800 --> 02:09:52,640
But if you just keep showing up, that's what that's what I think GM is.

1989
02:09:52,640 --> 02:09:55,840
GM isn't like good morning or good night or whatever.

1990
02:09:55,840 --> 02:09:58,360
It's I'm still here broadcasting my light.

1991
02:09:58,360 --> 02:10:03,000
It's OK to keep rowing towards me because even collectors have their doubts if you're

1992
02:10:03,000 --> 02:10:04,000
going to still be here.

1993
02:10:04,000 --> 02:10:09,800
So showing up, being present, contributing something other than something to purchase,

1994
02:10:09,800 --> 02:10:14,240
contributing meaningfully to whether it's a conversation or if someone needs help or

1995
02:10:14,240 --> 02:10:15,240
whatever the thing is.

1996
02:10:15,240 --> 02:10:18,080
However, your best let the space make use of you.

1997
02:10:18,080 --> 02:10:19,680
And that's the same thing for these communities.

1998
02:10:19,680 --> 02:10:21,540
Let them make use of you.

1999
02:10:21,540 --> 02:10:25,480
And you'd be surprised how well they take care of you when they when they make liberal

2000
02:10:25,480 --> 02:10:28,080
use of you and your talents and your time.

2001
02:10:28,080 --> 02:10:30,760
Thank you, Ken.

2002
02:10:30,760 --> 02:10:35,960
Kaffani, want to say something?

2003
02:10:35,960 --> 02:10:46,280
Well, firstly, I wanted to say I have just for you, Volk and I could just like that's

2004
02:10:46,280 --> 02:10:47,280
it.

2005
02:10:47,280 --> 02:10:48,280
And yes, I'm sorry.

2006
02:10:48,280 --> 02:10:49,280
I'm Ken.

2007
02:10:49,280 --> 02:10:51,320
Yeah, I heard what you were saying.

2008
02:10:51,320 --> 02:10:56,320
And then I wanted to say something about how you say we have to like flow with the community

2009
02:10:56,320 --> 02:10:58,840
and, you know, be up there and stuff.

2010
02:10:58,840 --> 02:11:03,360
I was asked, is that part of, you know, replying to good morning tweets and stuff like that?

2011
02:11:03,360 --> 02:11:07,200
Because I don't know, I'm not a very interactive, interactive person.

2012
02:11:07,200 --> 02:11:12,200
But I also want to show up as best as I can, you know, by trying to, you know, tweet reply

2013
02:11:12,200 --> 02:11:18,160
comments, you know, I'm not I can't say I DM people because I I even I don't even DM

2014
02:11:18,160 --> 02:11:23,720
Sierra like that, like that or Volk like that, because I I just feel like really shy to DM

2015
02:11:23,720 --> 02:11:26,040
talk to people for DM in their DM.

2016
02:11:26,040 --> 02:11:28,400
So I prefer like spaces and stuff like that.

2017
02:11:28,400 --> 02:11:32,840
So like, can you give like tips on how we can, you know, interacts with the community,

2018
02:11:32,840 --> 02:11:37,400
you know, like, like you said, because I would like a bit more clarity on what I can do to

2019
02:11:37,400 --> 02:11:38,400
be better you get.

2020
02:11:38,400 --> 02:11:41,040
And, you know, reach a lot of other people.

2021
02:11:41,040 --> 02:11:44,720
And I'm sure a lot of artists here to like some tips on what to do.

2022
02:11:44,720 --> 02:11:48,840
And, you know, I would not I would not say I'm good at that.

2023
02:11:48,840 --> 02:11:51,000
So yeah, I just want to ask for tips.

2024
02:11:51,000 --> 02:11:52,480
I don't know if you can hear me.

2025
02:11:52,480 --> 02:11:53,480
Am I right?

2026
02:11:53,480 --> 02:11:54,480
Yeah, I can.

2027
02:11:54,480 --> 02:11:55,480
You know, you're fine.

2028
02:11:55,480 --> 02:11:58,840
I'm not a GM person either.

2029
02:11:58,840 --> 02:12:03,640
I've been written up at jobs because I'm just not a morning person.

2030
02:12:03,640 --> 02:12:09,400
And like corporate culture has this weird fake morning positivity shit that I'm a New

2031
02:12:09,400 --> 02:12:10,400
Yorker.

2032
02:12:10,400 --> 02:12:11,400
I don't feel broad.

2033
02:12:11,400 --> 02:12:12,400
I just don't I don't have that.

2034
02:12:12,400 --> 02:12:13,400
It's like, hey, good morning.

2035
02:12:13,400 --> 02:12:14,400
Make it a great day.

2036
02:12:14,400 --> 02:12:15,400
It's like, what do you know?

2037
02:12:15,400 --> 02:12:20,200
What I don't even don't I'm not even awake yet.

2038
02:12:20,200 --> 02:12:22,640
I'm here, but I'm not here.

2039
02:12:22,640 --> 02:12:25,680
I'm not here.

2040
02:12:25,680 --> 02:12:29,360
I'm not here.

2041
02:12:29,360 --> 02:12:33,400
You can finally relate to me not being a morning person because I was telling somebody that

2042
02:12:33,400 --> 02:12:34,400
it is too early.

2043
02:12:34,400 --> 02:12:39,080
And they were looking like I'm crazy or something.

2044
02:12:39,080 --> 02:12:43,240
Well, yeah, that's why it's important to be to be you.

2045
02:12:43,240 --> 02:12:47,380
Like there's people who put on the YouTube voice when they come on spaces.

2046
02:12:47,380 --> 02:12:50,040
And I just look at them like that's that got to be a burden.

2047
02:12:50,040 --> 02:12:51,560
Hey, what's going on?

2048
02:12:51,560 --> 02:12:52,560
What's going on?

2049
02:12:52,560 --> 02:12:54,600
What a big shout out to the art that's down there.

2050
02:12:54,600 --> 02:12:55,600
What's going on?

2051
02:12:55,600 --> 02:12:56,600
I see statics here.

2052
02:12:56,600 --> 02:12:57,600
Hey, Lily, what's going on?

2053
02:12:57,600 --> 02:12:58,600
It's going to be shout out to everybody.

2054
02:12:58,600 --> 02:12:59,600
It's a great conversation.

2055
02:12:59,600 --> 02:13:00,600
Love the space.

2056
02:13:00,600 --> 02:13:02,560
It's like, come on, you know, what you want, Coke?

2057
02:13:02,560 --> 02:13:03,560
That's mad crazy.

2058
02:13:03,560 --> 02:13:05,200
That's that's not a real personality type.

2059
02:13:05,200 --> 02:13:06,200
I don't believe you.

2060
02:13:06,200 --> 02:13:07,200
I've met a lot of people.

2061
02:13:07,200 --> 02:13:08,200
I'm 43.

2062
02:13:08,200 --> 02:13:11,120
I don't think that that's naturally how you wake up.

2063
02:13:11,120 --> 02:13:14,680
I think that's more of a thing you put on for social acceptance.

2064
02:13:14,680 --> 02:13:22,360
And I think that eventually, because we, unlike other artists, spend a rambunctious amount

2065
02:13:22,360 --> 02:13:27,760
of time around each other, eventually the cracks in your facade are going to show.

2066
02:13:27,760 --> 02:13:31,600
And then who you really are may not be who you presented yourself as.

2067
02:13:31,600 --> 02:13:32,600
So it's important.

2068
02:13:32,600 --> 02:13:35,040
And that may not be a bad thing, but it can be.

2069
02:13:35,040 --> 02:13:36,280
That's how you see people get canceled.

2070
02:13:36,280 --> 02:13:39,060
They're not canceled because they did a thing or said a bad thing.

2071
02:13:39,060 --> 02:13:40,560
People say terrible things every day.

2072
02:13:40,560 --> 02:13:45,820
They did a bad thing, they got canceled because they pretended to be someone they weren't.

2073
02:13:45,820 --> 02:13:49,660
And when the people found out who they were, they didn't like that person.

2074
02:13:49,660 --> 02:13:51,200
And that's a problem.

2075
02:13:51,200 --> 02:13:53,240
So by being your author, I say crazy shit.

2076
02:13:53,240 --> 02:13:54,240
I say crazy shit.

2077
02:13:54,240 --> 02:13:56,320
Anyone who knows, I say crazy shit all the time.

2078
02:13:56,320 --> 02:13:58,400
I don't get in trouble for it because I've always said crazy shit.

2079
02:13:58,400 --> 02:14:00,800
And so I want to go, did you hear what he said?

2080
02:14:00,800 --> 02:14:01,800
That's just King.

2081
02:14:01,800 --> 02:14:03,360
King's always been like that.

2082
02:14:03,360 --> 02:14:05,360
And that doesn't mean everyone's gonna love you.

2083
02:14:05,360 --> 02:14:07,920
But that's why I say broadcast your authentic light.

2084
02:14:07,920 --> 02:14:10,480
You're not a GM person, madam, nor am I.

2085
02:14:10,480 --> 02:14:12,280
I don't GM.

2086
02:14:12,280 --> 02:14:15,480
I'll interact with posts of people that I meet.

2087
02:14:15,480 --> 02:14:18,880
And as I come across people, it's important to be accepting.

2088
02:14:18,880 --> 02:14:22,320
Like I understand that everyone else isn't a grumpy person in the morning like me.

2089
02:14:22,320 --> 02:14:23,760
So I don't try to be offended.

2090
02:14:23,760 --> 02:14:24,760
What's up, Kane?

2091
02:14:24,760 --> 02:14:25,760
Hey, what's going on, bro?

2092
02:14:25,760 --> 02:14:26,760
How you doing?

2093
02:14:26,760 --> 02:14:27,760
I'm good.

2094
02:14:27,760 --> 02:14:33,040
I hang out with shitcoin people and people who like DJs and things like that.

2095
02:14:33,040 --> 02:14:35,080
And it's a different culture than what I live.

2096
02:14:35,080 --> 02:14:36,600
But I'm cool with them.

2097
02:14:36,600 --> 02:14:39,000
The same way outside in life.

2098
02:14:39,000 --> 02:14:40,360
My friends growing up were drug dealers.

2099
02:14:40,360 --> 02:14:42,280
I don't sell drugs, but my friends do.

2100
02:14:42,280 --> 02:14:43,840
That doesn't mean we're just different people.

2101
02:14:43,840 --> 02:14:44,840
We have a different job.

2102
02:14:44,840 --> 02:14:46,920
So be you.

2103
02:14:46,920 --> 02:14:49,920
Be the most authentic you you can be.

2104
02:14:49,920 --> 02:14:54,920
And what's going to happen is, depending on how unique your particular personality configuration

2105
02:14:54,920 --> 02:14:58,800
is, and you suck a lovely person, people will gravitate.

2106
02:14:58,800 --> 02:15:02,720
The people who like people like you will gravitate towards you.

2107
02:15:02,720 --> 02:15:05,680
Funny thing is, some of them will be collectors.

2108
02:15:05,680 --> 02:15:08,360
Some of them will be devs.

2109
02:15:08,360 --> 02:15:15,120
I advise everyone, not advise, but I would recommend for everyone to build your own,

2110
02:15:15,120 --> 02:15:20,680
not community because that word gets abused, but build your own social circle.

2111
02:15:20,680 --> 02:15:21,680
Like I have mine.

2112
02:15:21,680 --> 02:15:25,600
We had a name for it just because I have a telegram group and we had clubhouse chats.

2113
02:15:25,600 --> 02:15:27,560
It's called Neighborhood Jewelry.

2114
02:15:27,560 --> 02:15:31,160
Neighborhood Jewelry is made up of all kinds of people.

2115
02:15:31,160 --> 02:15:35,320
And I used to get people kind of DMing me a little hostile because it's like, why can't

2116
02:15:35,320 --> 02:15:36,320
I get into your chat?

2117
02:15:36,320 --> 02:15:38,520
It's like because it's not a chat, man, it's not an alpha group.

2118
02:15:38,520 --> 02:15:41,280
It's just me and my friends making dick jokes.

2119
02:15:41,280 --> 02:15:42,280
That's all we're doing.

2120
02:15:42,280 --> 02:15:46,360
It's all of us in there and everyone there is a superhero in their own right.

2121
02:15:46,360 --> 02:15:50,820
But when I need something or if we're trying to do something and it becomes work time,

2122
02:15:50,820 --> 02:15:56,120
my friends, we're there for each other because we're all similar kinds of people.

2123
02:15:56,120 --> 02:16:00,080
Like Balboesky, who's down in the audience, he's one of my friends.

2124
02:16:00,080 --> 02:16:04,760
And you wouldn't think so, by the way, I'd be messing around with him sometimes publicly.

2125
02:16:04,760 --> 02:16:07,440
But he's my friend, he's a dear friend.

2126
02:16:07,440 --> 02:16:09,360
But he don't make what I make.

2127
02:16:09,360 --> 02:16:10,640
He doesn't do what I do.

2128
02:16:10,640 --> 02:16:11,640
He collects other stuff.

2129
02:16:11,640 --> 02:16:14,920
I mean, I think sometimes he collects my work, but he collects other stuff.

2130
02:16:14,920 --> 02:16:16,640
But he does AR.

2131
02:16:16,640 --> 02:16:19,460
So when I need AR, I reach out to my AR guy.

2132
02:16:19,460 --> 02:16:23,920
And this is the benefit I'm saying of like being your authentic self and building around

2133
02:16:23,920 --> 02:16:24,920
that.

2134
02:16:24,920 --> 02:16:27,400
You're not going to just attract collectors.

2135
02:16:27,400 --> 02:16:33,160
And it's important that we take the how do we get these honey bees to bring all the honey

2136
02:16:33,160 --> 02:16:39,840
from my series, take it out of what we want out of it and focus most on how can I be of

2137
02:16:39,840 --> 02:16:41,380
use.

2138
02:16:41,380 --> 02:16:43,080
And that may not be the way you can.

2139
02:16:43,080 --> 02:16:47,620
I'll tell you upfront, it may not be the way you thought you'd be of use.

2140
02:16:47,620 --> 02:16:50,240
I'm a very impatient person.

2141
02:16:50,240 --> 02:16:51,720
Sarcasm is like my fluent language.

2142
02:16:51,720 --> 02:16:53,640
I'm kind of a dick sometimes.

2143
02:16:53,640 --> 02:16:56,640
I shouldn't be teaching anybody anything in my world.

2144
02:16:56,640 --> 02:16:58,000
I've never taught anybody.

2145
02:16:58,000 --> 02:17:00,020
That's not the kind of person I am.

2146
02:17:00,020 --> 02:17:06,520
But this space, my sales career has made me really good at explaining complicated things.

2147
02:17:06,520 --> 02:17:10,480
So I did really good helping onboard people, helping to solve problems, helping new people

2148
02:17:10,480 --> 02:17:12,000
get set up.

2149
02:17:12,000 --> 02:17:13,760
And that's not what I thought I'd be doing.

2150
02:17:13,760 --> 02:17:17,360
I thought I was putting pictures of my raps and selling them to cyber people who gave

2151
02:17:17,360 --> 02:17:18,840
me money and like them.

2152
02:17:18,840 --> 02:17:21,160
But that's just part of it.

2153
02:17:21,160 --> 02:17:24,320
No one knows no one cares how much you know, they know how much you care.

2154
02:17:24,320 --> 02:17:29,880
And the space doesn't take care of you until it sees how much you're a value to it.

2155
02:17:29,880 --> 02:17:36,880
And the space in this particular context is like an invisible entity of parmetic social

2156
02:17:36,880 --> 02:17:44,200
media energy that, you know, there's a space that works for how you are.

2157
02:17:44,200 --> 02:17:49,880
And in that version of this place, there's collectors, there's builders, there's friends,

2158
02:17:49,880 --> 02:17:53,360
there's associates, there's people who will give you advice, there's people who will talk

2159
02:17:53,360 --> 02:17:57,880
you off a ledge, there's people who are going to keep you here through their efforts and

2160
02:17:57,880 --> 02:18:02,360
their time and their talent and their personality and their generosity and just who they are.

2161
02:18:02,360 --> 02:18:04,880
But finding them is the tricky part.

2162
02:18:04,880 --> 02:18:08,920
And expecting them to all be in one place is a fool's errand.

2163
02:18:08,920 --> 02:18:13,240
So I go into these places knowing when I see a big new crowd of people that I don't know

2164
02:18:13,240 --> 02:18:14,240
anybody.

2165
02:18:14,240 --> 02:18:19,160
Yeah, it's it's it's you know, oh man, and I want to clam up and go on my turtle shell.

2166
02:18:19,160 --> 02:18:24,880
But I also have to remind myself, you know what, and that 75 people in that room, there's

2167
02:18:24,880 --> 02:18:26,040
probably a friend in there.

2168
02:18:26,040 --> 02:18:28,600
They just don't know we just ain't met each other yet.

2169
02:18:28,600 --> 02:18:30,760
There's probably somebody I'd be really cool with in there.

2170
02:18:30,760 --> 02:18:32,240
We just haven't met each other yet.

2171
02:18:32,240 --> 02:18:36,920
And even if the energy of the room seems contrary to what I'm about, I go in there, I don't

2172
02:18:36,920 --> 02:18:38,360
try to assimilate that way.

2173
02:18:38,360 --> 02:18:40,040
I just be my authentic self.

2174
02:18:40,040 --> 02:18:41,480
It don't always work out.

2175
02:18:41,480 --> 02:18:45,040
But sometimes they'll be like, yeah, yeah, fucking crypto music.

2176
02:18:45,040 --> 02:18:46,040
What even is that?

2177
02:18:46,040 --> 02:18:48,080
And it's like, you know, just a shootout.

2178
02:18:48,080 --> 02:18:49,960
And it turns me getting kicked off the stage.

2179
02:18:49,960 --> 02:18:50,960
I'm like, I will.

2180
02:18:50,960 --> 02:18:51,960
That's cool.

2181
02:18:51,960 --> 02:18:52,960
Someone will DM me.

2182
02:18:52,960 --> 02:18:55,280
Hey, man, I thought those guys were kind of dicks to you.

2183
02:18:55,280 --> 02:18:57,480
I would love to hear what you got going on.

2184
02:18:57,480 --> 02:19:00,560
And then me and that person just have a DM chat for like three days.

2185
02:19:00,560 --> 02:19:02,720
And eventually we find ourselves in a space somewhere else.

2186
02:19:02,720 --> 02:19:05,160
And then that person becomes more and more familiar.

2187
02:19:05,160 --> 02:19:06,160
We're following each other.

2188
02:19:06,160 --> 02:19:09,800
And then next thing you know, that person leads to another group of people.

2189
02:19:09,800 --> 02:19:12,000
And it's just it's a snowball effect.

2190
02:19:12,000 --> 02:19:13,600
You don't have to change who you are.

2191
02:19:13,600 --> 02:19:15,700
In fact, I would advise against it.

2192
02:19:15,700 --> 02:19:20,540
Be you, but go everywhere as you play yourself in the movie.

2193
02:19:20,540 --> 02:19:26,240
And then don't forget to bring more to the potluck than you expect to take.

2194
02:19:26,240 --> 02:19:30,560
You know, and if you do that, I'm not saying I guarantee it's going to work.

2195
02:19:30,560 --> 02:19:33,600
I'll say that I haven't seen it not work.

2196
02:19:33,600 --> 02:19:37,080
And for whatever that's worth, I hope that I hope that answers your question.

2197
02:19:37,080 --> 02:19:41,080
Yeah, thank you, Ken.

2198
02:19:41,080 --> 02:19:42,600
That actually answers our question.

2199
02:19:42,600 --> 02:19:51,320
The aspect that in wherever we are, we have to be ourselves and we don't have to be something

2200
02:19:51,320 --> 02:19:59,040
that we are not because eventually that facade is going to clear off and our real selves we

2201
02:19:59,040 --> 02:20:01,080
try to show.

2202
02:20:01,080 --> 02:20:09,360
And in that in that regard, everybody is going to have your opinion on about different things,

2203
02:20:09,360 --> 02:20:17,080
but it's all kind of like depends on you as a person and what you want to do.

2204
02:20:17,080 --> 02:20:21,840
So you have to kind of like be authentic, safe in wherever you wherever platform you

2205
02:20:21,840 --> 02:20:23,400
want to go.

2206
02:20:23,400 --> 02:20:27,840
Like there are a lot of platforms everywhere.

2207
02:20:27,840 --> 02:20:33,800
So yeah, it's just about figuring out what works for you.

2208
02:20:33,800 --> 02:20:40,840
And can I say one last thing before I'll be quiet?

2209
02:20:40,840 --> 02:20:42,240
Also just please, please, please, please, please.

2210
02:20:42,240 --> 02:20:47,880
And I know it's rough, but keep in mind things like this or like Lily's spaces, especially

2211
02:20:47,880 --> 02:20:50,920
like and Lily does a really good job with it in this space.

2212
02:20:50,920 --> 02:20:52,800
You know, it's really good.

2213
02:20:52,800 --> 02:20:55,120
I'm happy to feel this kind of energy.

2214
02:20:55,120 --> 02:20:56,120
These.

2215
02:20:56,120 --> 02:20:57,880
This is not the work.

2216
02:20:57,880 --> 02:21:00,040
This is the maintenance.

2217
02:21:00,040 --> 02:21:04,320
This isn't the car, the machine functioning.

2218
02:21:04,320 --> 02:21:08,880
This is the tune up conversations like this or where you tighten your bolts and you, you

2219
02:21:08,880 --> 02:21:15,200
know, change the belt and recharge the engine and voice your concerns to people who you

2220
02:21:15,200 --> 02:21:17,440
know understand and you do all that.

2221
02:21:17,440 --> 02:21:19,720
But the work is the work.

2222
02:21:19,720 --> 02:21:23,000
The work is I don't like discord.

2223
02:21:23,000 --> 02:21:30,020
Yeah, but you're ignoring the potential amount of base friends help support by not being

2224
02:21:30,020 --> 02:21:31,020
there.

2225
02:21:31,020 --> 02:21:32,020
I don't like telegram.

2226
02:21:32,020 --> 02:21:33,160
I heard it's dangerous.

2227
02:21:33,160 --> 02:21:36,480
Figure out how to interact with it safely and go to telegram.

2228
02:21:36,480 --> 02:21:37,640
Figure out how these platforms work.

2229
02:21:37,640 --> 02:21:39,640
So it's really important to do that.

2230
02:21:39,640 --> 02:21:43,880
But remember like the work is in the uncomfortable.

2231
02:21:43,880 --> 02:21:47,040
You have to get comfortable being uncomfortable.

2232
02:21:47,040 --> 02:21:48,880
That's the work.

2233
02:21:48,880 --> 02:21:54,960
And that in those moments, you'll find the best rewards.

2234
02:21:54,960 --> 02:21:59,640
I know a lot of people who aren't public speakers, whether it's English as a second

2235
02:21:59,640 --> 02:22:03,000
language situation or just they're just shy people naturally.

2236
02:22:03,000 --> 02:22:04,280
And you'll find a lot of that in art.

2237
02:22:04,280 --> 02:22:06,760
And that's totally cool for those people.

2238
02:22:06,760 --> 02:22:12,620
I would say lean a little heavier on message board style, not social audio style.

2239
02:22:12,620 --> 02:22:18,500
So for them clubhouse, probably not going to be the deal, but they do real good on Reddit.

2240
02:22:18,500 --> 02:22:20,480
They do real good in telegram chats.

2241
02:22:20,480 --> 02:22:24,480
They do decent on discord as long as they don't have to talk for people like me.

2242
02:22:24,480 --> 02:22:26,480
I'm a chatty, chatty, chatty.

2243
02:22:26,480 --> 02:22:27,840
So I like to talk.

2244
02:22:27,840 --> 02:22:30,240
I can talk and type, but I prefer to talk.

2245
02:22:30,240 --> 02:22:31,600
It's faster and plus type in things.

2246
02:22:31,600 --> 02:22:34,840
My thumbs makes me feel not as bright.

2247
02:22:34,840 --> 02:22:42,240
So I like things like Twitter spaces and I like the clubhouse and you can do audio on

2248
02:22:42,240 --> 02:22:46,080
discord and on telegram, but I like to do the audio part.

2249
02:22:46,080 --> 02:22:50,680
But you have to do both and be comfortable in the uncomfortable.

2250
02:22:50,680 --> 02:22:54,880
The pushing ourselves to create the most amazing thing.

2251
02:22:54,880 --> 02:22:56,020
That's not the work.

2252
02:22:56,020 --> 02:23:00,520
That's something that at least supposedly we're supposed to be wanting to do anyway

2253
02:23:00,520 --> 02:23:02,240
because we're artists.

2254
02:23:02,240 --> 02:23:03,800
That's supposedly, right?

2255
02:23:03,800 --> 02:23:07,000
We're supposed to want to do all that anyway.

2256
02:23:07,000 --> 02:23:12,640
How do we be a professional artist is all of the work part and separating the two I

2257
02:23:12,640 --> 02:23:15,320
think is imperative.

2258
02:23:15,320 --> 02:23:17,320
Okay.

2259
02:23:17,320 --> 02:23:24,320
Thank you, Kane.

2260
02:23:24,320 --> 02:23:31,320
I think you wanted to say something before.

2261
02:23:31,320 --> 02:23:36,120
I agree with what Kane says.

2262
02:23:36,120 --> 02:23:40,840
I think that Kane, you touched on something too about finding that person that DMs you

2263
02:23:40,840 --> 02:23:43,640
and then kind of pulls you along too.

2264
02:23:43,640 --> 02:23:44,640
That's part of it.

2265
02:23:44,640 --> 02:23:49,280
And I think that a lot of artists wish that it wasn't part of it because that's work

2266
02:23:49,280 --> 02:23:54,560
too where it's a lot of the social interaction and it might not be completely comfortable

2267
02:23:54,560 --> 02:23:55,560
with.

2268
02:23:55,560 --> 02:24:00,520
But don't forget to bring people with you when that happens too.

2269
02:24:00,520 --> 02:24:02,680
And that's part of it as well.

2270
02:24:02,680 --> 02:24:07,200
Just like Kane gets pulled, I know Kane pulls as well and says, hey, look, dude, I got this

2271
02:24:07,200 --> 02:24:08,360
thing going on.

2272
02:24:08,360 --> 02:24:11,640
You need to come with me and let me introduce.

2273
02:24:11,640 --> 02:24:16,360
And that's how people, to the authentic part, that's how you take authentic people along

2274
02:24:16,360 --> 02:24:17,360
with you.

2275
02:24:17,360 --> 02:24:22,480
And Jesus, dude, I can't imagine not being my authentic self because it's got to be so

2276
02:24:22,480 --> 02:24:23,760
much work.

2277
02:24:23,760 --> 02:24:28,440
And not only is it work, but you're then surrounding yourself with people that don't know who you

2278
02:24:28,440 --> 02:24:29,440
are.

2279
02:24:29,440 --> 02:24:32,640
And you probably don't even jive with them because you're not being your authentic self.

2280
02:24:32,640 --> 02:24:35,440
So you're basically surrounding yourself with a bunch of people you don't really get along

2281
02:24:35,440 --> 02:24:36,440
with.

2282
02:24:36,440 --> 02:24:37,440
And how enjoyable is that?

2283
02:24:37,440 --> 02:24:39,280
This is supposed to be enjoyable.

2284
02:24:39,280 --> 02:24:41,680
I like coming to Web3.

2285
02:24:41,680 --> 02:24:43,720
Sometimes people are like, man, I'm exhausted.

2286
02:24:43,720 --> 02:24:44,960
I don't get exhausted.

2287
02:24:44,960 --> 02:24:46,120
I rotate.

2288
02:24:46,120 --> 02:24:50,040
I move from thing to thing because it all interests me.

2289
02:24:50,040 --> 02:24:54,440
And if I get burnt out from something specific, I just move to the next thing that I enjoy

2290
02:24:54,440 --> 02:24:55,440
doing here.

2291
02:24:55,440 --> 02:24:56,440
So, yeah.

2292
02:24:56,440 --> 02:24:58,680
So surround yourself with good people.

2293
02:24:58,680 --> 02:25:02,520
And somebody earlier, you asked the question of how do you start a group?

2294
02:25:02,520 --> 02:25:03,520
That's how you start the group.

2295
02:25:03,520 --> 02:25:06,840
You DM somebody and you say, hey, look, I heard you talking in a space.

2296
02:25:06,840 --> 02:25:10,320
You sound like you and I get along because we have the same concepts on things.

2297
02:25:10,320 --> 02:25:12,200
And then all of a sudden, you're DMing.

2298
02:25:12,200 --> 02:25:13,200
Then they pull you into another group.

2299
02:25:13,200 --> 02:25:14,200
And then you're in another group.

2300
02:25:14,200 --> 02:25:17,120
And it's not to be in eight million groups because that's confusing too.

2301
02:25:17,120 --> 02:25:22,200
But there's nothing wrong with going out there and putting yourself on that little bit of

2302
02:25:22,200 --> 02:25:24,760
a pedestal in that uncomfortable space that Kane mentioned.

2303
02:25:24,760 --> 02:25:29,840
So yeah, I'll kick it over to Kafani because then she had her hand up.

2304
02:25:29,840 --> 02:25:30,840
Yeah.

2305
02:25:30,840 --> 02:25:31,840
Kafani.

2306
02:25:31,840 --> 02:25:32,840
Oh, OK.

2307
02:25:32,840 --> 02:25:42,560
So I just wanted to say that what Kane said was really, really reasonable.

2308
02:25:42,560 --> 02:25:47,720
And yeah, it's just you being yourself and not being a money person, but still doing

2309
02:25:47,720 --> 02:25:48,720
the right thing.

2310
02:25:48,720 --> 02:25:53,800
And especially on the part where he said we had to do a bit of uncomfortable stuff to

2311
02:25:53,800 --> 02:25:54,800
get to where we...

2312
02:25:54,800 --> 02:25:58,400
I'll take the message as he did not say to go to where we want to go to.

2313
02:25:58,400 --> 02:25:59,800
But I would just take that.

2314
02:25:59,800 --> 02:26:00,800
That's what he was saying.

2315
02:26:00,800 --> 02:26:04,640
And yeah, I just feel like, oh, we just have to make some sacrifices.

2316
02:26:04,640 --> 02:26:10,680
And with what Ciara said before that being an artist is hard and it's just a lot of hard

2317
02:26:10,680 --> 02:26:15,200
work, persistency and perseverance and a whole lot of stuff.

2318
02:26:15,200 --> 02:26:21,120
So today this space was really amazing because I learned quite a number of things and I connected

2319
02:26:21,120 --> 02:26:22,760
with a lot of people too.

2320
02:26:22,760 --> 02:26:26,580
So yeah, it was really nice to hear from you guys.

2321
02:26:26,580 --> 02:26:28,840
That's all I had to say.

2322
02:26:28,840 --> 02:26:30,360
Thank you, Kafani.

2323
02:26:30,360 --> 02:26:37,680
So I want to kind of like leave the floor open for Itan Ward and So6ix9ine to tell us

2324
02:26:37,680 --> 02:26:44,760
about what they are working on now and any new projects they are working on.

2325
02:26:44,760 --> 02:26:45,760
Yeah.

2326
02:26:45,760 --> 02:26:49,960
Starting from you, Ciara.

2327
02:26:49,960 --> 02:26:51,960
Sure.

2328
02:26:51,960 --> 02:26:55,200
Goodness.

2329
02:26:55,200 --> 02:26:57,360
There's always stuff in the works.

2330
02:26:57,360 --> 02:27:03,560
Before I answer that, I just wanted to thank Kane for coming up and sharing his perspective.

2331
02:27:03,560 --> 02:27:08,440
Also being a New Yorker, I just love to hear from fellow New Yorkers, I find our accent

2332
02:27:08,440 --> 02:27:12,440
very soothing, although other people find it abrasive and obnoxious.

2333
02:27:12,440 --> 02:27:14,480
I found it very, it felt like home.

2334
02:27:14,480 --> 02:27:16,720
So thank you very much.

2335
02:27:16,720 --> 02:27:19,080
I appreciate you.

2336
02:27:19,080 --> 02:27:23,680
That aside, in terms of what Itan is working on, we're always working on stuff.

2337
02:27:23,680 --> 02:27:25,080
Things are always in the pipelines.

2338
02:27:25,080 --> 02:27:31,720
The big things right now, we had a pre-order for our first physical book.

2339
02:27:31,720 --> 02:27:35,440
The last several weeks, we met the minimum order.

2340
02:27:35,440 --> 02:27:40,920
So I'm working on the design with the publisher and it's going into production.

2341
02:27:40,920 --> 02:27:46,720
If you go to the Itan Twitter in our link tree, it's linked to the pre-order link if

2342
02:27:46,720 --> 02:27:48,720
you're interested in buying the book.

2343
02:27:48,720 --> 02:27:55,280
It's basically a hardcover book that just has beautiful printed images of a lot of the

2344
02:27:55,280 --> 02:27:59,120
digital exhibitions that we've done over the last year.

2345
02:27:59,120 --> 02:28:02,200
For many of the artists in the collective, this is going to be the first time they get

2346
02:28:02,200 --> 02:28:05,620
to see their work in print.

2347
02:28:05,620 --> 02:28:06,920
So it's much deserved.

2348
02:28:06,920 --> 02:28:09,240
I'm very excited about that.

2349
02:28:09,240 --> 02:28:15,080
As soon as the book is available physically, I am going to send a few copies across Nigeria.

2350
02:28:15,080 --> 02:28:20,540
I'll send a few to Lagos, I'll send a few to Abuja, particularly to the photographers

2351
02:28:20,540 --> 02:28:24,640
in the group so they can see it and take photos of it and things like that so it can make

2352
02:28:24,640 --> 02:28:26,280
its rounds.

2353
02:28:26,280 --> 02:28:32,360
The other big thing that's happening in the next couple of weeks is, as I mentioned, there's

2354
02:28:32,360 --> 02:28:40,200
been a lot of changes with Foundation, which has been our primary platform.

2355
02:28:40,200 --> 02:28:45,920
We still have exhibitions running on Foundation through the end of the year on base in particular

2356
02:28:45,920 --> 02:28:49,040
and we're going to continue to promote them.

2357
02:28:49,040 --> 02:28:55,860
But as we shift into 2025, we're really looking to make Object our main marketplace in terms

2358
02:28:55,860 --> 02:28:57,960
of where we do exhibitions.

2359
02:28:57,960 --> 02:29:00,680
So we'll be opening our Object gallery.

2360
02:29:00,680 --> 02:29:02,480
I'm super excited about that.

2361
02:29:02,480 --> 02:29:09,560
They have a very robust gallery and exhibition experience that it's clear to me they spent

2362
02:29:09,560 --> 02:29:12,920
a lot of time building and they were very intentional about.

2363
02:29:12,920 --> 02:29:19,680
So I'm excited to just offer our community another avenue in terms of ways to monetize

2364
02:29:19,680 --> 02:29:22,360
their talent.

2365
02:29:22,360 --> 02:29:25,200
Other than that, yeah, we're building Nija on chain.

2366
02:29:25,200 --> 02:29:29,300
As I mentioned, it'll be an IRL experience hopefully in 2025.

2367
02:29:29,300 --> 02:29:34,040
We have successfully raised some funds for the event.

2368
02:29:34,040 --> 02:29:39,160
Emmanuel from Optimism is Nigerian and gave us our first donation for the event.

2369
02:29:39,160 --> 02:29:41,020
God bless him.

2370
02:29:41,020 --> 02:29:47,360
Also BASE gave us a grant that was awarded to Etan that will be put toward the event

2371
02:29:47,360 --> 02:29:51,720
as well in terms of paying for the venue and the other things necessary.

2372
02:29:51,720 --> 02:29:55,120
So that's coming to fruition.

2373
02:29:55,120 --> 02:29:59,360
To stay updated in terms of everything else happening, because there's always things happening,

2374
02:29:59,360 --> 02:30:02,480
follow me, follow Etan, follow the artists in the collective.

2375
02:30:02,480 --> 02:30:06,520
We're always retweeting them on the Etan page.

2376
02:30:06,520 --> 02:30:07,520
Thank you.

2377
02:30:07,520 --> 02:30:08,780
Thank you for this platform.

2378
02:30:08,780 --> 02:30:12,600
Thank you for connecting me with people I hadn't previously met in the space who are

2379
02:30:12,600 --> 02:30:19,580
doing like-minded work and just making the effort to show up every day and create a space

2380
02:30:19,580 --> 02:30:23,640
that makes artists feel welcomed and valued.

2381
02:30:23,640 --> 02:30:29,040
My DMs are open if anyone resonated with anything I said and wants to further collaborate.

2382
02:30:29,040 --> 02:30:30,260
I'm here.

2383
02:30:30,260 --> 02:30:31,260
Thank you, Vulcan.

2384
02:30:31,260 --> 02:30:32,260
Appreciate you.

2385
02:30:32,260 --> 02:30:33,260
Thank you, Sarah.

2386
02:30:33,260 --> 02:30:34,260
Static, do you have any projects you've got going on for Soul69?

2387
02:30:34,260 --> 02:30:35,260
Give me one second.

2388
02:30:35,260 --> 02:30:36,260
I'm sorry.

2389
02:30:36,260 --> 02:30:37,260
I'm dealing with something.

2390
02:30:37,260 --> 02:30:38,260
So give me one second.

2391
02:30:38,260 --> 02:30:53,260
Kafani, you want to say something?

2392
02:30:53,260 --> 02:31:01,220
Yes, I want to be petting and say Sarah, it's only Vulcan you appreciate.

2393
02:31:01,220 --> 02:31:03,220
Me and Godiqo are hosts.

2394
02:31:03,220 --> 02:31:04,220
That's all I have.

2395
02:31:04,220 --> 02:31:05,220
Oh my God.

2396
02:31:05,220 --> 02:31:09,380
That is hilarious because every time she gets on spaces, she wants to pretend that she's

2397
02:31:09,380 --> 02:31:13,980
a shy person and everyone who knows Kafani knows she is the furthest thing from a shy

2398
02:31:13,980 --> 02:31:14,980
person.

2399
02:31:14,980 --> 02:31:19,460
I said let us move on and she was going to show herself.

2400
02:31:19,460 --> 02:31:22,460
Are you not showing yourself, Kafani?

2401
02:31:22,460 --> 02:31:26,140
I'm not trying to be shy.

2402
02:31:26,140 --> 02:31:28,900
I just, I don't mean my ethics.

2403
02:31:28,900 --> 02:31:29,900
I'm very shy.

2404
02:31:29,900 --> 02:31:30,900
I don't know what to say.

2405
02:31:30,900 --> 02:31:31,900
That's the thing.

2406
02:31:31,900 --> 02:31:32,900
I prefer talking to people.

2407
02:31:32,900 --> 02:31:37,980
You see, I even have something to tell Sarah, but so enter her DM and type it.

2408
02:31:37,980 --> 02:31:38,980
I'm just gathering.

2409
02:31:38,980 --> 02:31:39,980
No, don't.

2410
02:31:39,980 --> 02:31:40,980
No, no, no.

2411
02:31:40,980 --> 02:31:41,980
This is why you don't do this.

2412
02:31:41,980 --> 02:31:42,980
Yeah.

2413
02:31:42,980 --> 02:31:49,980
But then it was nice to catch up with Sarah.

2414
02:31:49,980 --> 02:31:54,460
It's hard to see you in this space.

2415
02:31:54,460 --> 02:31:56,260
And hi, Koopty.

2416
02:31:56,260 --> 02:31:59,380
And Koopty is also one of my very close friends.

2417
02:31:59,380 --> 02:32:03,380
I also see Chun Li, Gizou, everybody that came to our space.

2418
02:32:03,380 --> 02:32:04,980
It was nice to have you.

2419
02:32:04,980 --> 02:32:07,020
Kane, this is the first time we're interacting.

2420
02:32:07,020 --> 02:32:08,980
So it was nice to hear you speak.

2421
02:32:08,980 --> 02:32:09,980
So 6ix9ine.

2422
02:32:09,980 --> 02:32:12,500
It was nice to hear you speak too.

2423
02:32:12,500 --> 02:32:16,100
And yeah, Volker, you did not tell me about the So 6ix9ine people.

2424
02:32:16,100 --> 02:32:20,260
I'm going to go and see how I can apply because they're very insightful.

2425
02:32:20,260 --> 02:32:21,260
Sorry.

2426
02:32:21,260 --> 02:32:25,140
Okay, so 6ix9ine has something to say.

2427
02:32:25,140 --> 02:32:27,340
No, absolutely go apply.

2428
02:32:27,340 --> 02:32:28,340
No, sorry about that.

2429
02:32:28,340 --> 02:32:33,260
My heat in my house was broken and somebody was here trying to help me fix it.

2430
02:32:33,260 --> 02:32:36,100
So that's, we'll be back Monday.

2431
02:32:36,100 --> 02:32:42,020
So anyway, no, look, I just wanted to thank you guys all for hanging out and I appreciate

2432
02:32:42,020 --> 02:32:43,020
everything.

2433
02:32:43,020 --> 02:32:48,220
And to kind of answer your question from before Volk and what's going on right now, there's

2434
02:32:48,220 --> 02:32:49,220
a lot.

2435
02:32:49,220 --> 02:32:52,940
But look, I would tell you that the best thing you can do if you really want to know is for

2436
02:32:52,940 --> 02:32:55,860
one, obviously, we're working, like I touched on a little bit before, we're working on a

2437
02:32:55,860 --> 02:33:02,620
one on one curation for some of the people that are currently working with the curations

2438
02:33:02,620 --> 02:33:06,260
that were going on Drip to get some of those ones to move.

2439
02:33:06,260 --> 02:33:11,780
The other thing I would encourage you to do is go into that link at the top that says,

2440
02:33:11,780 --> 02:33:16,100
starts with I'm honored to be surrounded by great like those artists that are in that

2441
02:33:16,100 --> 02:33:18,700
that that link, right?

2442
02:33:18,700 --> 02:33:20,500
Those are some really, really solid people.

2443
02:33:20,500 --> 02:33:24,260
Okay, don't worry about the I'm not going to say artists, they're people, right?

2444
02:33:24,260 --> 02:33:26,660
They're awesome human beings.

2445
02:33:26,660 --> 02:33:30,740
And you know, those links and that art will take you to their sites where it will take

2446
02:33:30,740 --> 02:33:31,740
you to other places.

2447
02:33:31,740 --> 02:33:35,940
And you can find a lot of them on our website as well, which is in my bio.

2448
02:33:35,940 --> 02:33:40,700
And then the last thing I put up there, just so you guys have it, is that curation application,

2449
02:33:40,700 --> 02:33:45,980
like Kevon just said, like, we're, I'm going to focus on this one on one that we're going

2450
02:33:45,980 --> 02:33:48,220
to do first, because it has to be a priority.

2451
02:33:48,220 --> 02:33:53,020
Like I don't want other people that have been part of the curations to have any pieces that

2452
02:33:53,020 --> 02:33:55,420
are sitting unless they're they're happy with them sitting.

2453
02:33:55,420 --> 02:33:58,980
And I just want to make sure that we're focusing where our attention needs to be.

2454
02:33:58,980 --> 02:34:03,780
But those curations, like I said, it's it's it's you is focused on you.

2455
02:34:03,780 --> 02:34:05,300
I think I do a good job, right?

2456
02:34:05,300 --> 02:34:08,940
So like, you know, please feel free to apply.

2457
02:34:08,940 --> 02:34:11,380
If you don't hear right back from me, just shoot me a DM.

2458
02:34:11,380 --> 02:34:14,180
Okay, even if you have questions, just shoot me a DM.

2459
02:34:14,180 --> 02:34:16,100
My DMs, my DMs are open.

2460
02:34:16,100 --> 02:34:18,180
So yeah, that's, that's it.

2461
02:34:18,180 --> 02:34:21,660
But I appreciate you, Yavalk, and I appreciate you too, Kevon, and Sierra.

2462
02:34:21,660 --> 02:34:23,620
It was very nice talking to you today.

2463
02:34:23,620 --> 02:34:25,140
Kane, thanks for hopping up here.

2464
02:34:25,140 --> 02:34:27,660
I definitely appreciate always hearing what you got to say.

2465
02:34:27,660 --> 02:34:30,580
And then check out some of the artists in the in the group down below too, because like

2466
02:34:30,580 --> 02:34:32,780
I said, there's just a there's a bunch of good people in the room.

2467
02:34:32,780 --> 02:34:33,780
So that's it.

2468
02:34:33,780 --> 02:34:34,780
Thanks.

2469
02:34:34,780 --> 02:34:35,780
Thank you, Static.

2470
02:34:35,780 --> 02:34:36,780
And thank you, Sierra.

2471
02:34:36,780 --> 02:34:50,340
Thank you, everyone in particular for coming to join in space and putting one, two things

2472
02:34:50,340 --> 02:34:54,660
and contributing to make this space a success in total.

2473
02:34:54,660 --> 02:34:55,660
Thank you, Kane.

2474
02:34:55,660 --> 02:35:02,820
Your thoughts were very, very, yeah, I learned a lot.

2475
02:35:02,820 --> 02:35:10,820
And I could kind of like keep on going like from each of your ideas and opinions about

2476
02:35:10,820 --> 02:35:11,820
different things.

2477
02:35:11,820 --> 02:35:17,340
Yeah, I could, I could relate with, I could relate with a lot of them.

2478
02:35:17,340 --> 02:35:25,940
So yeah, thank you for what you said about like collaboration in in general.

2479
02:35:25,940 --> 02:35:34,860
And I feel like the music spaces, I don't really, I haven't really known much about

2480
02:35:34,860 --> 02:35:40,420
the music spaces and something that I'm kind of like, really curious about.

2481
02:35:40,420 --> 02:35:45,620
So I would like to kind of like know more about that.

2482
02:35:45,620 --> 02:35:49,860
How do you people normally?

2483
02:35:49,860 --> 02:36:01,740
How do you people normally kind of like collaborate together as music artists and everything?

2484
02:36:01,740 --> 02:36:06,500
I know people do a lot of features with each other and do drops.

2485
02:36:06,500 --> 02:36:07,860
And it's not that I don't do them.

2486
02:36:07,860 --> 02:36:08,860
I've done them.

2487
02:36:08,860 --> 02:36:15,140
I do them kind of sparingly or selectively or whatever.

2488
02:36:15,140 --> 02:36:18,900
Gorilla who onboarded me, I've done, I got a drop with him going on.

2489
02:36:18,900 --> 02:36:21,860
Like I always, you know, whatever he needs, I'm always there to help.

2490
02:36:21,860 --> 02:36:27,700
And I've done stuff with kind of some of my folks who build the idea and just asked me

2491
02:36:27,700 --> 02:36:28,980
to participate or whatever.

2492
02:36:28,980 --> 02:36:30,460
And that's, you know, no problem with that.

2493
02:36:30,460 --> 02:36:33,180
And people do all kinds of ways of collaborating.

2494
02:36:33,180 --> 02:36:35,140
It's not different.

2495
02:36:35,140 --> 02:36:41,500
And that's the hard part is convincing the music side that that we're not different,

2496
02:36:41,500 --> 02:36:44,160
that this is not the music business.

2497
02:36:44,160 --> 02:36:45,460
This is, you know what I'm saying?

2498
02:36:45,460 --> 02:36:50,020
This is closer to rare art than it is to anything resembling the music business.

2499
02:36:50,020 --> 02:36:55,620
So you know, getting musicians to understand that it's not competition is tough because

2500
02:36:55,620 --> 02:37:02,160
we have a very competitive medium where it's like just the monetization of it.

2501
02:37:02,160 --> 02:37:07,260
They put down three bowls of food in a kennel with 70 dogs and make us fight for it.

2502
02:37:07,260 --> 02:37:11,020
And that's kind of the world we know, especially for rap.

2503
02:37:11,020 --> 02:37:15,540
So getting those guys to like put their knives away and understand that we're all just competing

2504
02:37:15,540 --> 02:37:17,780
against our respective poverty.

2505
02:37:17,780 --> 02:37:21,660
That's all we're competing with, like just competing for your life, competing with your

2506
02:37:21,660 --> 02:37:22,660
life though.

2507
02:37:22,660 --> 02:37:23,660
That's all we're doing.

2508
02:37:23,660 --> 02:37:25,900
So I think working with each other is good.

2509
02:37:25,900 --> 02:37:33,740
But again, I don't overemphasize us having to make art together to collaborate.

2510
02:37:33,740 --> 02:37:38,660
There's stuff that I need help with or things that I don't know or someone needs something

2511
02:37:38,660 --> 02:37:43,980
and I just know and someone's like, hey, I'm trying to get this and we'll brainstorm.

2512
02:37:43,980 --> 02:37:47,340
I think brainstorming is way more fun than us making a song.

2513
02:37:47,340 --> 02:37:48,860
Like, what are you doing?

2514
02:37:48,860 --> 02:37:49,860
What's the plan?

2515
02:37:49,860 --> 02:37:55,780
Like my buddy just did a whole like Styles P remix album on Manifold.

2516
02:37:55,780 --> 02:37:57,020
And I'm just like, well, what is it?

2517
02:37:57,020 --> 02:37:59,020
And it's like, I'm not, hey, let me get a verse on there.

2518
02:37:59,020 --> 02:38:00,020
It's like, no, no, what are you doing?

2519
02:38:00,020 --> 02:38:01,020
What's the drop?

2520
02:38:01,020 --> 02:38:02,020
I was, oh, we're going to do this.

2521
02:38:02,020 --> 02:38:03,020
Well, why don't you try this?

2522
02:38:03,020 --> 02:38:09,700
But collaborating through shared information, I find to be the best, the best collaboration,

2523
02:38:09,700 --> 02:38:11,140
at least for me, it's the best collaboration.

2524
02:38:11,140 --> 02:38:12,580
Like, hey, why don't you try that?

2525
02:38:12,580 --> 02:38:16,620
He was going to do this kind of unlockable content and I recommended it.

2526
02:38:16,620 --> 02:38:18,940
Why don't you try using dark block and doing it this way?

2527
02:38:18,940 --> 02:38:20,300
And he's like, oh, that's a cool idea.

2528
02:38:20,300 --> 02:38:21,940
So I don't get anything for it.

2529
02:38:21,940 --> 02:38:22,940
I don't want anything for it.

2530
02:38:22,940 --> 02:38:24,900
I just want everyone to do well.

2531
02:38:24,900 --> 02:38:27,500
And that's in that spirit.

2532
02:38:27,500 --> 02:38:28,820
This becomes a lot easier.

2533
02:38:28,820 --> 02:38:31,760
So the music side isn't different.

2534
02:38:31,760 --> 02:38:32,900
It's all still rare art.

2535
02:38:32,900 --> 02:38:36,100
We all still are trying to collect collectors.

2536
02:38:36,100 --> 02:38:37,660
We're all still going chain to chain.

2537
02:38:37,660 --> 02:38:45,020
I mean, the mechanics of being a Web3 crypto native artist of any discipline, whether it's

2538
02:38:45,020 --> 02:38:51,260
fine art, photography, 3D, AI, music, whatever it is, it's all going to, I think it all pans

2539
02:38:51,260 --> 02:38:54,260
out the same.

2540
02:38:54,260 --> 02:38:56,260
Okay.

2541
02:38:56,260 --> 02:39:00,460
Thank you, Ken.

2542
02:39:00,460 --> 02:39:01,460
Yeah.

2543
02:39:01,460 --> 02:39:08,260
So I would like to be joining the music spaces at one point.

2544
02:39:08,260 --> 02:39:13,740
And yeah, I'll likely just send a message about that.

2545
02:39:13,740 --> 02:39:21,900
And I would like to know more about like the music spaces because I was in the time pieces.

2546
02:39:21,900 --> 02:39:26,540
I don't know this piece, the Fishered Violator.

2547
02:39:26,540 --> 02:39:30,020
And yeah, I think it was the good news.

2548
02:39:30,020 --> 02:39:33,100
So I don't know time piece or something.

2549
02:39:33,100 --> 02:39:34,100
Yeah.

2550
02:39:34,100 --> 02:39:43,140
The Fishered Violator, when she kind of like made a sale, a one BTC sale on one of our

2551
02:39:43,140 --> 02:39:46,380
pieces which I found really inspiring.

2552
02:39:46,380 --> 02:39:47,380
Kafany.

2553
02:39:47,380 --> 02:39:48,380
Yeah.

2554
02:39:48,380 --> 02:39:51,380
You want to say something?

2555
02:39:51,380 --> 02:39:54,380
Kafany, right?

2556
02:39:54,380 --> 02:39:55,380
Yeah.

2557
02:39:55,380 --> 02:40:12,540
I want to say that Kane was into music.

2558
02:40:12,540 --> 02:40:17,180
And yeah, I found I really like that because I'm such a big music person.

2559
02:40:17,180 --> 02:40:19,300
Music is like an inspiration for me.

2560
02:40:19,300 --> 02:40:27,900
And yeah, I just want to say that I'm working on a music album cover in real life.

2561
02:40:27,900 --> 02:40:32,220
And I don't know if it's something that is like interesting if you do music covers for

2562
02:40:32,220 --> 02:40:33,300
your work.

2563
02:40:33,300 --> 02:40:37,340
So like if it's something you do, like I would be like interested in collaborating with you

2564
02:40:37,340 --> 02:40:39,260
because I like collaborating.

2565
02:40:39,260 --> 02:40:43,940
I'm even collaborating on something with like Volkan and stuff like we're in the early stage.

2566
02:40:43,940 --> 02:40:48,220
So yeah, I just want to say that if it's something you're interested in, I would like to work

2567
02:40:48,220 --> 02:40:50,860
on your music cover too.

2568
02:40:50,860 --> 02:40:52,620
Maybe sometime in the future.

2569
02:40:52,620 --> 02:40:54,820
That's what I wanted to say.

2570
02:40:54,820 --> 02:40:55,820
I don't know.

2571
02:40:55,820 --> 02:40:56,820
Amir, Volkan, how are you?

2572
02:40:56,820 --> 02:40:57,820
Yes, I can hear you.

2573
02:40:57,820 --> 02:40:58,820
Yeah, thank you.

2574
02:40:58,820 --> 02:40:59,820
I appreciate it.

2575
02:40:59,820 --> 02:41:00,820
Hit me up.

2576
02:41:00,820 --> 02:41:01,820
Whatever.

2577
02:41:01,820 --> 02:41:05,500
I make AI music videos.

2578
02:41:05,500 --> 02:41:07,180
That's traditionally what I've been making.

2579
02:41:07,180 --> 02:41:11,580
So I'll take a song and I'll make a whole video out of AI.

2580
02:41:11,580 --> 02:41:13,300
I've been doing this since like the summer of 21.

2581
02:41:13,300 --> 02:41:22,020
So I just make these AI music videos and sometimes after a lot of effort, the dots connect and

2582
02:41:22,020 --> 02:41:26,620
some people seem to like them and when they do, I'm very fortunate.

2583
02:41:26,620 --> 02:41:36,260
And recently, I did a Bitcoin infused album with an AR vinyl record and that was a lot

2584
02:41:36,260 --> 02:41:41,380
of fun and that was a token but obviously it was a physical component.

2585
02:41:41,380 --> 02:41:47,540
And right now we're working on like an Ordinals music player kind of in the style of Async

2586
02:41:47,540 --> 02:41:51,140
if anyone knows what Async is and we're building that.

2587
02:41:51,140 --> 02:41:54,740
That's done but we're just tinkering a little bit of stuff so probably it'll launch in two

2588
02:41:54,740 --> 02:41:55,740
weeks.

2589
02:41:55,740 --> 02:42:01,940
But yeah, I'm always open to working with stuff and hit me up and Volkan wherever I

2590
02:42:01,940 --> 02:42:03,780
am, feel free to walk in.

2591
02:42:03,780 --> 02:42:05,820
Like it's, you know, that happens.

2592
02:42:05,820 --> 02:42:08,740
Say, hey, I'm just here because Kane's here.

2593
02:42:08,740 --> 02:42:09,740
Cool.

2594
02:42:09,740 --> 02:42:10,740
Come on up.

2595
02:42:10,740 --> 02:42:13,260
Let's talk about stuff, engage in the conversation.

2596
02:42:13,260 --> 02:42:18,180
Ask any question you want and that's the one thing that I'll say like is pretty indicative

2597
02:42:18,180 --> 02:42:23,220
like 80% of the time, 85% of the time listen somewhere weird.

2598
02:42:23,220 --> 02:42:28,660
Wherever I am, ask whatever because like I just one of the things I just never had a

2599
02:42:28,660 --> 02:42:33,380
lot of patience for is like someone trying to gain information and someone kind of taking

2600
02:42:33,380 --> 02:42:38,020
the piss or making a joke out of it like at one point we're all new or we all didn't know

2601
02:42:38,020 --> 02:42:41,780
something and I think every day especially for us that are learning and growing every

2602
02:42:41,780 --> 02:42:44,220
day is a day we don't know something that we're trying to know.

2603
02:42:44,220 --> 02:42:49,020
So if someone's seeking information like stop the nonsense for a second, answer the question,

2604
02:42:49,020 --> 02:42:50,020
help them.

2605
02:42:50,020 --> 02:42:52,660
You know, it's okay to cut the antics just to help somebody like that.

2606
02:42:52,660 --> 02:42:54,260
I joke around all the time.

2607
02:42:54,260 --> 02:42:58,140
I'm dead serious kind of sounding now because I just woke up and my coffee hasn't taken

2608
02:42:58,140 --> 02:43:03,780
effect but generally speaking, I dig around a lot so but I'll stop all the night.

2609
02:43:03,780 --> 02:43:09,700
I have a question how does this work or how did that work or why does someone do this

2610
02:43:09,700 --> 02:43:13,340
or why do you think people collect this or you know whatever the question is, I think

2611
02:43:13,340 --> 02:43:17,420
it's always the dumbest question is the one you don't ask and again anywhere I go it's

2612
02:43:17,420 --> 02:43:23,020
an open invitation for anyone who wants to come through, ask, learn, build, you know

2613
02:43:23,020 --> 02:43:24,620
try to read the room.

2614
02:43:24,620 --> 02:43:28,740
Everywhere in a good place to show your work but definitely it's always a good place to

2615
02:43:28,740 --> 02:43:33,340
learn and try to grow.

2616
02:43:33,340 --> 02:43:35,220
Yeah right.

2617
02:43:35,220 --> 02:43:41,220
She always kind of like also read the room because yeah some people just kind of like

2618
02:43:41,220 --> 02:43:49,580
try to yeah and possibly because they don't know what's what the space was about in the

2619
02:43:49,580 --> 02:43:55,300
onset so it could happen to anyone at the same time.

2620
02:43:55,300 --> 02:44:01,860
So in that regard, I would like to thank everybody for coming to the first episode of Art of

2621
02:44:01,860 --> 02:44:11,260
Framed, first our guest Sierra Static, Itan World and Solsixnine.

2622
02:44:11,260 --> 02:44:19,940
Thank you for coming into the space and featuring in our first episode of Art of Framed and

2623
02:44:19,940 --> 02:44:25,060
it was a pleasure to have you all and thank you Kane for coming and sharing your thoughts

2624
02:44:25,060 --> 02:44:28,780
and putting everything out there.

2625
02:44:28,780 --> 02:44:34,420
And thank you for all the people that came up to ask a question about what they thought

2626
02:44:34,420 --> 02:44:35,980
about the topic.

2627
02:44:35,980 --> 02:44:45,140
It was lovely having all your thoughts out there and thank you to all the listeners.

2628
02:44:45,140 --> 02:44:52,660
So Kavani do you have any last thoughts?

2629
02:44:52,660 --> 02:44:57,180
Okay as a math form student I just have to do this.

2630
02:44:57,180 --> 02:45:01,540
Okay guys thank you for coming to our first episode of Art of Framed.

2631
02:45:01,540 --> 02:45:04,140
I have been Kafani and Vulcan.

2632
02:45:04,140 --> 02:45:06,420
I'm just the co-host.

2633
02:45:06,420 --> 02:45:07,420
It was nice to see you guys.

2634
02:45:07,420 --> 02:45:11,980
It was nice to learn from you guys and I hope we catch up some other time.

2635
02:45:11,980 --> 02:45:12,980
Bye.

2636
02:45:12,980 --> 02:45:28,460
Bye.