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Here we go. Welcome back. You are listening to the Justin and Heidi Unfiltered Podcast.

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I got it that time. First try. Nailed it. They don't have to know this is our fifth take.

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Thanks very much for being here. We have been married for 21 years.

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We have a bunch of years in the hair industry. We talked about this last episode.

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I don't think we need to keep bringing it up. Maybe bring up that we have been married a long time.

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21 years is a long time. Especially when one person has a growth mindset and the other one has a fixed mindset.

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You know, growing slowly. Thank you. Thank you.

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Yeah. Anyway, so we are still on just mindset.

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I mean, we are going to get into other stuff in future episodes. But mindset is so huge.

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That it is going to take up a whole series of its own. But it is still also the perfect place to start.

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So we have talked about the fixed mindset. We have talked about a growth mindset and specifics of how they each work.

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Their belief systems. Now we are going to talk about the impact on success.

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So as the expert on growth mindset, I would like you to tell our listeners what having that mindset does.

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What impact that has on your success.

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I would say, and don't get me wrong, I never claim to be a perfect person.

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So these things that we are going to talk about in this episode, they still will hit a growth mindset person.

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We are not immune to them, I guess you could say.

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Sure.

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But for me personally, it is turning it around or making it work for me. So imposter syndrome.

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Like if you get on social media and you start looking at all the stylists out there that do gorgeous hair,

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you are pretty soon just going to stop doing hair because there is no way you can compete with.

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There are some talented stylists out there.

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And I will admit there have been times where I do someone's hair and I go, damn, that looks good.

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And then there are other times where it is like, I would say most of the time we kind of pick our own work apart

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and we see every flaw instead of the beautiful picture at the end, I guess you could say.

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But someone who has a growth mindset, again, they are going to look at that

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and they are going to think, how can I improve on that? Not that's like I should stop.

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Right. Yeah. And I think this is where my expertise comes into play as the resident fixed mindset expert recovering.

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Recovering.

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Recovering fixed mindset expert. The impact on success is the exact opposite. It is very hindering.

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My success in many ways hit a roadblock and then I just was fine with mediocrity.

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So when I would see your situation and how you would persevere through things, I was envious,

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but I was also kind of jealous and like it sucks that it comes so easy to you.

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But it's different from like, you know, those dirty rat bastards who can just eat whatever the hell they want

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and they are just muscular and thin. Hey, I hate them. I hate them so much.

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They, it's different. That's metabolism. Right. OK. And that's and it'll catch up with them hopefully one day.

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No, sorry. This is different. A mindset is different.

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So when I would look at you in that same way and think, man, I just how does she do that?

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It was it was within my reach. Right. But I didn't understand that.

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And I had to do painstaking research, lots of trial and error, lots of error before finally it sinks in.

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And I realized I can have this mindset. Right.

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And it helped that all along you were saying the whole time, well, it's it's in your head.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But you also didn't believe me. Right.

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Because you you viewed mindset as a lot like a metabolism kind of a thing out of your control.

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You were born with that one and I was born with this one is what it is. I can't do what you do.

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I can't change that. Right. But in reality, everything, well, even the metabolism can be changed from what I'm told.

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Yeah. Well, who knows? Still working on it.

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But that's kind of how I looked at it. I mean, that's so that's the impact on success.

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And I think that mindset, your impact is that it's in most ways, it's skyrocketed through success in whatever way you want it to.

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Right. There's still I don't want to take away from the fact that it still takes effort and time.

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And so like when you say you looked at what I was doing and you were envious because it was so easy.

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But in my mind, that was hard work. That wasn't easy.

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But with that growth mindset, there are still things that you still have to do. Discipline is one of them.

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No, I did not want to work 20 minutes every day on that thing that I was learning.

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Right. But the discipline behind it is what made me do it.

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Right. But it was because I could see what I wanted. Yes.

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I had that goal in mind of and this will get me 20 minutes further.

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It's that same story of the all of the starfish on the on the beach and the guy throwing them into the ocean.

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Right. And the other guy's going, why are you doing that? You won't even make a difference.

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There's too many. And he throws another one in and says, made a difference to that one. Right.

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It's that same mindset. It's the focus on the journey.

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OK. In some ways, the focus on the journey is the same. You were looking at the future and saying, this is what I can accomplish.

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I was looking at the future and thinking, how am I going to get there?

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Even if our future vision was the exact same, mine was a hindrance because I.

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How? Why am I not there yet? Well, because you've got to put in all the work.

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Well, and to your point, what we've said in previous podcasts is.

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Like I'm sitting there going, OK, well, that's 20 minutes closer, that's 20 minutes closer.

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Right. Breaking it down in chunks, whereas you were thinking, how am I going to accomplish this?

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That's hours and hours of work and I'll never get that done. Yeah.

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And I've learned through through reading and through therapy and through.

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Again, painstaking trial and error that the best thing for anxiety, depression and.

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Just changing your mindset is to break things down because we are we're simple creatures.

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And when we look at a big task and then break it down so that it's more manageable, then we're accomplishing a portion of the task.

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When we do it, didn't take as much effort as we thought.

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We took care of something, so we get the market off the list and we're closer to our end goal.

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So we've accomplished something. Right. Whereas with a different mindset, you do the same amount of work.

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But at the end of it, you think I've barely made a dent. Right.

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And you start to doubt yourself and you do start to look over at your neighbors grass and go, well, why is their grass greener?

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You gotta you gotta break. You gotta break these things down.

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So anyone with a growth mindset, I would say. Correct me if I'm wrong, whoever is out there.

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But to really accomplish things in life, you've got to break it down into chunks you can handle.

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You do. And that's one of the things that's kind of universal.

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It can be tied to any industry, it can be tied to any aspect of your life, especially ones that give you anxiety.

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And yeah, that's the key. Just break it down. So you talked about imposter syndrome.

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This is a pretty common challenge in a lot of industries, but ours in particular, that feeling of inadequacy because.

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Hairstylists experience it when they're even if they're skilled and successful, they can feel the effects of imposter syndrome and feel inadequate.

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What do you think? In your opinion, how does mindset change that? Well, first of all, you have to remember this is a service industry.

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We are always working on someone else. So I feel like when we start to feel imposter syndrome, it's because of something someone said.

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Yeah. Or how someone treated you or what you read in your socials, because we are so social.

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We do need to post and do all the things. Right. You start to get that imposter syndrome, not necessarily because you decided you're an imposter,

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but because of something that made you feel imposter. Now, the difference.

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And again, even with a gross mindset, you're still going to get those feelings. Those are still going to come about.

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But I feel like the person with the with the growth mindset, again, breaking things down, taking it in bite size chunks, you're going to look at that and go.

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Well, then how do I improve? Right. Well, I love the way that you put that, because when it comes down to.

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The events that bring this up, this feeling of inadequacy, I think it's a great example.

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A lot of times it's something that somebody says. So let's take, for example, like a review online. I went to see Starla.

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And why the hell would I pick Starla? Anyway, can't associate it with anyone.

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Yeah, exactly. So I went to see Starla and she screwed up my hair. She did such a bad job.

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And I've heard the story a bunch of times. And a lot of times it's like even during the appointment,

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you're getting no feedback from them that makes you think that they don't like what they did.

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But because they they have a fear of confrontation.

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They're one of those people that's just very easily going to go and bash you behind your back or on a phone because it's easier.

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And it gives them the ick to say, I don't like what you're doing.

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Now, there are there are lots of different reactions, but I think for the sake of this argument,

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we could probably pin them into girls versus fixed mindset, because when you see that review,

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somebody with with their walls that go up and they get really defensive and they're like that.

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Ho didn't even I asked her, do you like this, your hair? And she said yes.

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And they're focusing on that and they're focusing on the things that are outside of their control.

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Right. That's the fixed mindset. Yep. And it becomes excuses. Right.

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Whereas somebody with a growth mindset, I think their response can almost always be boiled down to that sucks.

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You're acknowledging it. It happened. Well, and like for me, because of course I've had bad reviews.

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Of course, I've gone through this in my own career. Right. You don't do hair for two years and not have a bad review.

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You're learning. Right. But for me, having that hat, having had that happen, it just makes me learn again.

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Learn what could I have done differently or how could I have done that differently?

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What do I do in the future? Right. How do I change what I'm doing so that in the future that doesn't happen?

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Now, I can only control what's in my sphere of control. So I can't necessarily go and change their mind per se.

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But how do I, how do, what do I, what can I control? Well, I'm going to make sure that when I'm talking to them, I'm talking to them face to face.

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I am doing a thorough consultation, which you all know in the beauty industry, they don't teach you that in school.

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They try. We're going to do probably multiple episodes about consultations. They try, but it is something, and for a lot of people, a lot of it is you just got to do it to learn it.

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Right. Like even if they do try and teach it in school, you have a different demographic that goes to schools than you do paying clients that go to not schools.

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Right. So, I mean, you're still going to, you're still going to have a trial and error learning no matter what. You're always going to have that.

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But are you taking it as a, well, that stupid hoe, she doesn't know what she's talking about. She shouldn't have just told me.

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Right. Or are you learning, but could I have done differently? And that's the mindset shift. That's the change.

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And it's okay to be, to be hurt. It's okay to have those feelings, to have those emotions. We're not saying to just bury them.

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No, and I'm not saying that I was perfect and didn't think that stupid hoe, but at the end of the day, I can let that hinder me and be like, well, I know I did good and not change anything I'm doing and do it the same way.

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Or I can think that stupid hoe, she doesn't know what she's talking about, but what could I have done differently still?

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And that's the difference. It's not, and you have to remember again, service oriented. It doesn't matter what I think in the end of the day.

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It matters what the person I'm working on thinks. Right. It's all about the guests, all about them.

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And if your focus is on the guest experience and you get a negative review, it would behoove you, it is in your best interest to accept that feedback in a positive way.

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In the most positive way you can.

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Keeping in mind that-

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Perfection's not there.

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And keeping in mind that not everyone that sits in your chair is going to be a fit for you.

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That's true too. There are those situations where, you know, they're just, a guest doesn't really know what they want and they're not articulating it.

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Yeah. And you're not on the same level.

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That's fine.

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I, 100% that's fine.

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And that's why I say, even though I've had a lot of guests sit in my chair and not all of them return, it's, I don't take that personally.

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And even if they sit in my chair, go somewhere else and then come back, I don't take it personally.

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Because at the end of the day, really it is still about joy. I want to be happy doing hair that I'm doing.

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And I want the person sitting in my chair to be happy about the hair they're getting.

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Yeah. Well, and I think again, one of those universal principles, people that are successful in any industry would probably agree.

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The more you focus on the things that are within your control, the better off you'll be.

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I know that's something that successful people know about because it's in-

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And actually, probably most famously, the seven habits of highly successful people, it's a very prominent principle that is taught.

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And that's just a gap in will or just learning between somebody with a fixed mindset and a growth mindset.

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Believing that things that are being able to distinguish, first of all, what's within your control and without your control can be hard when you're not ready to admit it.

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But again, that's, I think, where we just need to go back to.

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There's the 20%, the top 20 who are, they've got amazing mindsets and they're killing it.

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They're doing great. And then there's the bottom 20, never going to change.

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What we're hoping is that that in between is the person who's listening to this.

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And you know, either you're in a really bad situation, got a bad mindset right now, you're having the attitude issues and you want to improve, or you're doing pretty well, but you know you can do-

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Weller, better.

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In a moment, it sounded like that was a better way to say it. I know it's not a word.

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Yeah, just being able to do a little better. And again, having that understanding of not focusing on things that are out of your control, it's not taught anywhere.

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It's not taught in high school, beauty school.

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I mean, a lot of us didn't learn it at home. Sorry, mom and dad, no offense.

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I didn't ever learn that principle until much later on.

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Much later, well into our marriage.

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You dropped the ball on that one.

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No, you would not listen to me.

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Agree to disagree.

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Didn't we already discuss that?

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There's no evidence, unless they already listened to the first two episodes.

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So, honestly, I feel like we could talk and talk and talk about within control and outside of control, but I think we've covered it.

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Right, wouldn't you agree?

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So let's talk about some other mindset challenges like perfectionism.

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That's a hard one too.

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How so?

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Everyone, especially when you've been doing something so well for so long, that learning stage is hard to get through.

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Because you've been so perfect for so long, you've done everything.

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And you've built yourself up in your own head to where you think, I can't do this on my guests.

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They're going to know and they're going to be mad and they'll never see them again.

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Let's break it down though.

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Again, bite-sized chunks, right?

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Yeah, you might not see that guest again.

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There are plenty of fish in the sea.

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Lots and lots of people.

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Someone who's a perfectionist, which I would say I am, but I'm not, I don't need to go to an anonymous perfectionist group.

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Let's say that.

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But at the same time, because I guess I'm always learning.

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So my guests, I guess the people that sit in my chair, they enjoy the fact that they know I'm always learning something.

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Their hair, I'm never, very rarely am I doing their hair the exact same every time.

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Right.

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The people who expect that, they don't sit in my chair.

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There are people who want that.

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They're not the ones that sit in my chair.

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The ones who sit in my chair, they know I'm always learning.

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I'm always doing something new and I'm trying to keep up on the industry and do things that are new.

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They're still getting the same result, if not tweaked a little better.

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And if there's anything that ever goes wrong, they know I'll fix it because everything can be fixed.

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But that-

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Again, she says with her mindset.

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With that mindset.

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Because that's true.

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A lot of people are afraid to try something new because you think, now I've ruined it.

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One of the biggest things that I think a lot of stylists, when they're learning something new, is they get so fixated on that perfect part.

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That they're afraid to go through the learning process.

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They don't want somebody to- it can't be perfect and they can't do it on someone.

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Well, then do five models.

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What's it going to take for you to be perfect?

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So there's a really naughty word in there, though, that there's a gap that's stopping a lot of people there.

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And this naughty word, it's naughty because people don't want to admit that-

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They're learning.

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That they're doing this because then they'll have to change.

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But it's procrastination.

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What is the role of procrastination in this issue with mindset?

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It's seeing that task of what you need to learn to be able to get to the next stage of your career as a huge meteor.

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And seeing you've got to jump this massive hurdle or you've got to accomplish this huge task and not breaking it down.

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Because then it would be easier.

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So they procrastinate.

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I'll get to it.

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Or I can't do this.

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Right.

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I can't do this because I didn't learn it this way.

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I can't do this because I didn't- it's not perfect.

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I don't know how to get it to be perfect.

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I can't do this on my guests.

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So I'm going to keep doing the method I'm doing.

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I'm going to keep doing it the way I've been doing it.

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When all you're doing is just staying stagnant, it's going to work for a time.

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It always works for a time.

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For a time.

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Right.

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But there is an end date.

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But eventually you have to grow.

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You just- you have to.

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You have to.

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But I don't see why we feel so much trepidation on learning.

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Why is it bad to say- like my guests will be- because I've taken pictures and I'm always- I'm not always taking pictures,

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but I'll take pictures especially when I'm trying something new or wanting to find out more, learn more.

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And so I start taking pictures because how better can you document this day and age than to take a picture of before and after and in between.

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And from this starting point to this end point, what was the results?

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I mean, this is scientific evidence.

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That's how we do it.

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And so people are afraid to take pictures because their clients aren't used to them taking pictures.

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Why are you taking a picture?

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They don't want to tell them they're learning something new because heaven forbid you don't know everything.

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But at the same time, we already know you don't know everything.

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It's impossible to know everything.

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So just have a conversation.

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Have a conversation and let them in on it.

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Why is this so- why is that so scary?

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Because we've told ourself what the results-

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I'm not charged this much, but I am this person, but I am an expert.

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No, you're not because there are new things all the time.

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Right.

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So unless you're going to let them in on it, you're just creating that narrative in your own head.

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That's what I was about to say.

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Word for word, we are perfect for each other.

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But you're right.

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And we both have a narrative.

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So the narrative in my head for a lot of my life was I can't do that little miss perfect because I don't work that way.

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And your narrative is, yeah, you can just change your attitude.

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Right. Change your mindset.

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Change your mindset.

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That's the other thing about growth mindset is that you understand that everybody can do it.

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And when you have a fixed mindset, you just think those people are pompous jerks.

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Who tell you don't do anything right.

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So there are a lot of other things that come as a result of these issues like fear or failure, imposter syndrome, comparison and perfectionism.

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So you've got stuff like it's like procrastination already brought up, but you also tend to miss deadlines.

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Oh, yeah.

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They come and go.

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Yep.

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I was supposed to sign up for this class or I was supposed to I was supposed to do this.

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I have this turned in.

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Yeah, I was going to.

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But that fixed mindset again, instead of breaking it down, they see this huge project.

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Right. And they don't know where to start.

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That's the biggest hurdle that I found is where do I even start?

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And in your mindset, even with this, even with this podcast, I was going through.

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I've got this outline. I've had it for two weeks.

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I'm ready to go.

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And I'm like, what do we do about this, Heidi?

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What do we call it?

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Are we going to be able to call it that in 10 years, Heidi?

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Is this name going to I'm serious.

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We have this discussion about what we were going to name this freaking podcast.

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And I still don't know what it's called.

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I have to practice it every time.

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But you said we're going to we're not going to know until we just start doing it.

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Yes, start. And now we're in our third episode and we're experts.

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We don't know yet. We haven't even posted one.

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We haven't. But we're doing it.

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So it feels so much more manageable.

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And then I get this feel is this I hit my microphone. Sorry.

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There's this dopamine release in my brain that tells me you're doing it.

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You're accomplishing this task that you set out for.

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But again, even still, because it's just how I've been wired my whole life.

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I saw this as I want to watch this podcast.

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And this is huge undertaking.

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You know what? Just do a little bit at a time that you needed to go by mics for.

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And you needed to go and get a soundboard and you need to go and get a new computer.

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Because how can we by any means launch a mod cast without doing all these stupid things beforehand?

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Yeah. But so I mean, but that is the difference between somebody with a fixed mindset

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and a growth mindset. Just start doing it. Right. Stop putting all of these.

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But it has to be perfect in place first because there is no perfect time for anything.

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Right. But you perfect as you go.

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So even starting our first episode, he's walking through the outline with me.

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And I'm like, can we just start recording? Because I knew the first thing I was going to say was make fun of his outline.

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Because I don't work that way. I do like having bull. I actually really enjoy that you did write an outline down

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because it will help us stay on topic. But I am much more of a let's just see where this leads.

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Right. Well, in the reality is once we get into it. So am I. Right. This flow is much better.

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But it's also it relates to what we're talking about with the hair world, too. Totally.

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You know, like the longer you put off learning that new technique or even better,

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you have paid to look for it for a new technique or like a new extensions method or you paid for a new color line.

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Yeah. But you you haven't started it yet.

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You've learned it, but there's something stopping you from trying it on your first guest.

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There's lots of different reasons to be afraid of it. Yeah. Just start. Just start.

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And coming from someone who has switched color lines at least six times in my career.

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You know, there will be imperfections. There will be times where it is screwed up.

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Yeah. What's the worst thing that has to happen is that I'm doing their hair again, of course, on my dime and for free.

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But it was see in my experience for me, that's not a failure. That's a learning moment.

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Yeah. See, that's the thing you see it as education. Right. I learned what not to do. Right.

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And then I learned how to fix it. Right. And I will say at the end of the day,

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I mean, the absolute worst thing you can do is cut off too much hair or ruin their hair.

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And that absolutely sucks. Like I will try everything within my power to not do that. Let's just say that. Right.

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But if it means I'm paying for their extensions, then I'm paying for their extensions.

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I mean, it's it's still never a fun experience.

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And you don't do hair for as many years as I have and not screw up something. Sure. It's going to happen.

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But you acknowledge ahead of time, too. I'm going to make mistakes. Yeah.

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But you just you have to learn from those. You can't let them derail you. Yeah.

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Well, so there are other things that these lead to. I mean, there's a lot.

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But I wanted to bring up a couple more specifically that these actions will lead to this.

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The ones that I'm thinking of are increased stress and anxiety.

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We already have stress and anxieties that are placed on us from external sources. You agree? Oh, yeah.

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I think regardless of the industry and there's very levels of that.

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There are some industries that are less anxiety inducing and some that are more anxiety inducing.

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But for us in our industry, why are we putting more stress and anxiety with things that are within our control? Right.

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Like having a shift in our mindset.

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Going back to this this idea of I've paid to learn this new this new color line or this new method of of doing hair.

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But I'm not putting it in there because I don't I just don't know. I'm just I'm too afraid.

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It'd be easier if that person if I could have one more class and but yada yada yada yada.

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That's all within your control is taking that first step.

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But the longer you put it off, the more anxiety you build up in yourself.

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Yeah. Which often turns into low self-esteem.

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Yeah. That's when you start to get imposter syndrome.

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I feel I agree. I'm wrong. No, you're right.

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Because you're you're convincing yourself that there's just something wrong and you're the problem.

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I mean, in reality, I guess technically, yes.

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But we don't need to say it like that. Well, no, because again, we're all learning.

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Yeah. Like even that person that does this blonding technique better or new or this up and comer.

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In my mind, I always kind of look at that and go.

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Honestly, I feel like I could be there, too, if that was where I wanted to go with my career.

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But that's just not I don't want to do that. That's not where and that's what and why can't that be fine?

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I think for if someone isn't learning a new color technique or they like doing hair the way they're doing hair,

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there is not a reason why they have to change that if they're still enjoying what they're doing.

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Yeah. They just need to make sure they're getting that target market in their chair,

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because I guarantee you, you will find people who like that also.

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Yeah, I mean, if you're making the money that you want to make, if you're happy

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and you're seeing the kind of guests that you want to see, don't change anything.

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Yeah, you don't need to change. You don't need to be an educator. You don't have to be an influencer.

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You don't have to post a thousand times a day and make sure you've got a million followers.

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And you don't even have to have social media.

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But that's your target market, your where you're directing your mindset is going to be different from where I'm directing mine.

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Right. But again, plenty of fish in the sea. There are. And they're not all bass.

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And there's a good one. One last one that I want to talk about before we end this episode.

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And it's again, if that like I'm going to call them side effects of like imposter syndrome

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and in comparing yourself and fear of failure and perfectionism.

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And it's the reduced creativity. You tend to lose your creativity because so much of your mind,

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which is where your creativity comes from, is is connected.

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It's engaged elsewhere because, yeah, you're connected to the stress of.

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I hate that I spent eight hundred dollars to learn this thing and I'm not even using it.

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I hate that. I wish that they had taught that class better.

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This the I mean, there's so many different things that could be stopping you.

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It all leads to these really awful side effects.

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And I think maybe arguably the worst one is a reduction in your creativity.

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You're hindering your ability to do what makes you who you are, your creativity.

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We have a lot of creative, creative people in this industry.

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I mean, this industry like it's a magnet for creative people.

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Oh, it totally is. In all different facets, like creative in very different ways.

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Yeah, I will say that again, this comes down to the mindset, though.

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I have spent money on education that I'll never use it ever because at the end of the day, I didn't like it.

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Right. I can look at that as I can't believe I wasted all that money or I can look at it as well.

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I learned something. I don't like that.

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See, that blows my mind sometimes, even in the moment, because you would go and you'd spend money

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and you learned this thing and then what you learned was this isn't for me.

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Yeah, it didn't. It didn't compute the way I in my mind, it didn't compute the way I wanted it to.

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Right. I love. But that's why I say you learn something in everything you do.

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Yeah. And you have to have.

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But if I were to be like, but I paid this much money, I have to do it.

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That would take that would hinder my creativity. That would hinder me who I am.

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And at the end of the day, I care about me and who I am.

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It's fear of control. Right. I can't control what other people like.

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And if you like them doing that method, then do that. Do it. Go there. That's not me.

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Gosh, what? Like six years ago, everyone was doing the vivid colors.

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And yes, I even got into that. I hate doing them. Those are not my.

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You want rainbows in your hair? More power to you. I hate that.

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It's not your thing. It's not my thing. Yeah. And so.

419
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And that's fine. Totally. Yeah.

420
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You know, you want to go and get that smoothing keratin treatment.

421
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You want to go and get that. Like, it's just not my thing. I don't.

422
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I don't personally see the need for it. Yeah.

423
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I think a lot of people have been hoodwinked by it, but there are people who swear by it.

424
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Right. The smoothie treatments. Yeah.

425
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And there are some that are good and some that aren't.

426
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Totally. And again, maybe they're better at it because they care more. Yeah.

427
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But it's just I would rather refer them to that person. Yeah.

428
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Who likes it and wants to learn more about it. And that's within their mindset. Right.

429
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Then keep someone for that.

430
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Well, and I think I want to do a shout out for a future episode where we will come back

431
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and talk about building your brand because you're in a place where you can do that.

432
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You don't have to take every one of the people that would come to you.

433
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There will be future episodes about that for sure because I also, even straight out of beauty school, would do it different.

434
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Not necessarily different than the way I did do it, but I would do it different depending on the stylist.

435
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Again, I think there is a growth or an open mindset around how you do things straight out of school.

436
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Yeah, I agree. Listen, thanks for tuning in today.

437
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So happy that you're with us for this mindset series.

438
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We're pretty excited to get to get through this. There's still more to come in the mindset series.

439
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Probably one, maybe two more episodes just on mindset. So stay tuned and thanks again for listening.

440
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Bye.