Hafsa (00:17) podcast where we explore timeless stories of Kashmir, a land of rich legends, myth and culture heritage. I'm your host Hafsa and today we'll dive into Kashmir most captivating folk tales, stories that has been passed down through generation. We'll uncover tales like Pasik Dar, The Brave Protector, Rantas, The Mysterious Forest Spirit, and Zohra Khottan Khottan, tragic love story. These tales are more than just stories, they're reflection of the region history, values and deep connection to nature. Joining me is Teishi who shares a passion for storytelling. Let's explore what makes these folks tell unforgettable. Hi Teishi. Teyshi (00:50) Yeah, hot tan, hot tan. Hi Hafsa and thank you for that wonderful introduction. Lovely to join you to talk about Kashmiri folktales. Now, you're right, I have picked some folktales today. I picked five. I've chosen them because some of them are really well known in the valley. Some of them personally have been told to me by my dad who loved to share these stories. And I purposely chosen the five that I've chosen are non-religious in basis. There are, you will find in the valley, folktales that have an Islamic origin, folktales that have Hindu, Buddhist, and so on and so forth. But for this podcast, we've decided to concentrate on non-religious folktales because this really is capturing the essence of what is Kashmiri as we are as a people, not about religion. And we are all the same lineage and heritage. Hafsa (01:40) Mm-hmm. Teyshi (02:05) The religion just happens to be a personal choice along the years that some individuals chose one or the other. So yeah, these are going to be tales that are purely giving us the essence of what it's like, you know, growing up in the valley and part of the heritage and the history. Hafsa (02:21) Amazing! I'm really excited to hear that. Yeah, because I remember half of my childhood we've always been traveling so I don't remember most of the folk tale. So this is really exciting for me. My question is what is your earliest memory of hearing Kashmir folk tale? Which story stuck with you the most and why? Teyshi (02:46) Yeah, so it's a story that is called Shinnebrur. Shinnebrur means snow cat. Shinne is snow. Sheen. Shinne. That's the root word. And brur is cat. Now, basically, the story of Shinnebrur is a cautionary tale. This is the one that my dad told me. And I don't think a lot of Kashmiris know this of a younger generation. I feel like... Hafsa (02:54) Mm-hmm. Mm. Teyshi (03:10) It's my generation and older. So certainly my children's generation don't seem to know too much about this. So it seems to have been lost a little bit there from what I can gather. But certainly my dad and his generation know the story. So the story is about this giant human-like cat. So when I say human, this was a cat that was as tall as a human that walked on its hind legs. Hafsa (03:33) Mm. alone. Teyshi (03:39) like a human would, this is made up by the way, this isn't real, this preacher never actually existed, but just in case anyone thinks that there is a giant cat walking around Kashmir, that's not a thing. But to describe it, it certainly was on its hind legs, walking around as big as a human. But the reason it's called Shinnebrer is snow cat, so it mainly sort of existed in the winter times. And because, you know, it is cold outside, the idea that it carried this giant the cat itself carried this giant kanga. The kanga is the word for that pot that I've described in previous podcasts where, you know, it's an earthenware pot and it's sort of covered in woven, like a woven basket that it sits in. And usually, know, Kershaw people would put hot coals in there in the winter and they'd huddle around it. Or if they're going out, they take it with them. So there was kind of just like a heating system and it could be mobile and... and very sort of flexible like that. So in this case, Shinnebrer, this giant human-like cat walking on his hind legs, also carried a giant ganger with him and it was full of hot coals. But there's a tradition in Kashmir that if you ever run out of coals while you're out and about, you can just knock on people's houses and say, hi there, salam alaikum, or whatever you're going to say to them. Do you have any... Hafsa (04:47) Mm-hmm. Teyshi (05:00) could I just have some hot colds please? Cause I've run out, you your cold, you might be not out a long time. So this is quite a normal thing as well in Kashmir for people to be able to knock on doors and do stuff like that. It's, you know, it's perfectly normal activity. So this is the background, know, Shinobu is walking around, it's snowing, there's a lot of snow, the feet and feet of snow and he's got hot cold. So that's the background of him just sort of wandering around. Now we moved to a house and there is a mum that is busy with the housework and looking after the house and the children and other things but she's got a small son there that is crying and wailing and just generally making a fuss and you know making a nuisance of himself right as children can do. So the mother finally gets so you know overwhelmed with the relentless crying and wailing of the child that she warns him Hafsa (05:43) You Teyshi (05:56) Shh! Stop crying. Shinnebriar will hear you. And you know what Shinnebriar does. He hates the sound of crying children. If he hears you, he'll come here and pour his whole ganger of coal all over you. That's what Shinnebriar is known for doing because he hates the sound of children. So shh! Don't cry. Shinnebriar will hear you. Okay, so then the child, you know... Hafsa (06:00) You Teyshi (06:24) regardless carries on crying, not paying any attention to its mother and just carries on with its wailing and tantrum, etc. The mother then obviously has to get on with the housework, so goes and carries on whether it's the cooking or some other function. While she's in middle of that and the child is still crying and making a fuss somewhere in the house, there's a knock on the door. The mother goes to answer the door and when she opens it, there in front of her is Shinnebra. And she's like, And he's like, hello there. And I'm saying it English because again, I'm trying to keep it, you know, neutral. He says, hello there. I was just passing by and I've run out of coal for my conger. Could I have some please from your fire or from maybe their conger? And she said, yes, of course. So the mother goes to get the coal for Shinnebrer and she's scooping it up while she's doing that. Shinnebrer seamlessly and silently. creeps into the house and hears the distant crying of the child which drew him to that house in the first place. He follows the sound and he finally finds the child in a room upon which he pours ganger of coal over the child, presumably instantly killing him. I mean, you know, it's a harsh story. I mean, unless he had three degree burns or whatever it was, but... It's unlikely he survived that, just putting it out there. I mean, that part isn't really told by parents. He just says, Shinobuera pours the whole, and it's a giant ganger as well. You have to remember it's huge. Pours it all over the child, the crying child. And then he leaves and then the mother comes back to see her child and that Shinobuera got him and she's crying her eyes out saying he didn't listen to me. So there you go. That's the cautionary tale. of Shunnebair and basically what that is saying is shhh stop crying Shunnebair will hear you so yeah there you go Hafsa (08:11) You Yeah And do kids really get scared about it if they're told that? Teyshi (08:24) Yeah, I think so when they're young enough. I know that when I was told, don't remember how old I was, but I would assume I was three or more. Rather alarmingly, I wasn't scared. I was just fascinated by this cat that was like a giant and carrying around this huge cauldron of a kang around with him and tricking the mum and this child. Yeah, I was caught up in the detail. Hafsa (08:27) Mm. haha Mm. Teyshi (08:48) But I would say that maybe the average child, especially at young age, will definitely find that scary. And of course, that's the point. The point is to get you to stop crying as a child. So yeah, I would have thought the average child probably was scared by that. Hafsa (08:54) You Wow, interesting. Yeah. How do you think these folktales reflect the cultured history of Kashmir? Teyshi (09:09) Well, I mean, in that one, you can see yourself, you've got the reference to the heavy winters and the fact that this folktale is so old and would have been told to my dad by his mum, and she would have been told by her mother or her father and so on and so forth. I think the fact that there are these sort of references to the extreme winters and heavy snowfall and the fact that people use gongers to carry them. Hafsa (09:17) Hmm. Yeah. Teyshi (09:34) around, I mean there could be detail in that story that I've missed over the years that I've forgotten, for all I know Shinneberg could wear a perron or a pheron as some people say it, but you know there could be other details. So think it's great because it gives that imagery and that kind of you know touch point on historical facts in as much as you know you've learned something about Kashmir there by telling the tale. hopefully not about, you know, imaginary giant cats, but certainly that there are these, you know, extreme winters, the fact that we, you know, use kangas. Maybe some, we still use today, to be fair, the kanga is still used today. Obviously we have more modern things as well alongside it, but we're very proud and we still stick to our, you know, traditions. And if you think about it, there's people that are on chikaras on Delake, which are these small canoe-like boats. Hafsa (10:01) Hmm. Mm. Teyshi (10:23) they can't carry Hafsa (10:24) Yeah. Teyshi (10:24) a beater around. So they probably will have kangas. I've seen chikaras carrying big summer bars, which are these big giant sort of kettles, you know, made out of steel. I'm not too sure what they're made out of, but they're very sort of sturdy, silver looking metal that are with boiling hot tea in it. So similarly, you can imagine that they, people on the go carry kangas to keep warm. I think in the valley, Given that history, we have to be very proficient at being good around hot, know, whether it's coal or liquid, that we don't have too many accidents, right? But that gives you an idea of, you know, it sets the scene of what it's like to be in Kashmir. It does for me. And I think for me being told that in Kashmir, because this is, you know, when I lived there, because I lived there until I was around five, obviously it was all in relation to the Kashmir that I knew, you know, with the heavy winters. Hafsa (10:55) Mm. Teyshi (11:13) and all that. So yeah, for me, it just was completely in sync with how I grew up there as well. Hafsa (11:20) I see. And I know you've said that this story traditionally passed down in families. How has that changed today? Has it changed today or is it still passed on? Teyshi (11:26) Mm-hmm. I think, well, the only thing I have noticed is that when I talk to the younger generation about it, not too many of them have heard of it. I have actually told my kids this story. My kids do know this story. So my kids obviously have grown up in the West, but they do know this story and I'm quite, and they often joke and they like, because they like the sound of Shinobu. And I will say one thing, you know, I wasn't traumatized being told it. I wasn't even scared. Hafsa (11:40) Mm. you You Mm. Teyshi (11:59) I think some kids could be a little bit scared. My kids weren't scared. They just thought it was kind of, you know, quirky and a bit, a bit different. but then of course we have the, the, you know, the tales in the West of, Red Riding Hood, which is quite brutal Hansel and Gretel, which ends in, you know, you know, people potentially getting put in a hot oven, right. And eaten. So. Hafsa (12:06) You Mm-hmm. Teyshi (12:22) You know, it's in line with that type of thing and it is cautionary. These all have an underlying message. Do as you're told, behave, you know, don't go off with strangers, don't cry, that kind of thing. And, and so, you know, as, as far as it being passed down, I've done my bit, but to the, to the other younger people that I've spoken to that are Kershia, they don't seem to know too much about it actually, which leads me to think that maybe this particular story is quite rare. Hafsa (12:29) You Mm. Teyshi (12:50) So glad to be able to put it on this podcast actually. Hafsa (12:50) Mm. Okay, so what lesson do you think modern audience can learn from these tales? Like Shinnebrer berer the word you said it could warn about listening to elders, right? Teyshi (13:03) Yeah. Listening to elders, absolutely doing as you're told, generally not crying and making a fuss because that's bad behaviour and that there are consequences to your actions. Now this is the person that's being told the story probably understands that the child and the story wouldn't have really got that point because it was too late for him but yeah I would say that those are generally the learning points there. Hafsa (13:15) Mm. Okay, which character from Kashmir's Fox Hotel do you find most fascinating or relatable? Teyshi (13:41) relatable. None of them because, you know, the Shunabera, I can't relate to that at all. I can't relate to a mother just answering the door to a cat that she knows kills children that cry and she's got a crying child, so I can't relate to that at all. We've got Basigdhar, which is a protector of people. mean, you know, again, that's not anything I can relate to. Rantus is the enigmatic spirit of the forest. Hafsa (13:43) Mmm. Hmm. Teyshi (14:07) The only thing that I can relate to is when my dad told me some of these stories and there was a lesson in them and I relate to the lesson definitely so that is literally it. Did you want me to move on to the next story? Hafsa (14:21) Yes, yes, sure. Teyshi (14:22) So we did mention Parasikthar, so I will talk about that. So that's the protector of the people, as I mentioned. Now Parasikthar, often depicted as a valiant warrior or guardian, embodies themes of courage, duty, and selflessness. In this tale, Parasikthar is a folk hero who confronts overwhelming odds to protect his people from danger, often depicted as invaders or supernatural entities. His story resonates with Kashmir's history of resistance and resilience. The legend serves as a reminder of the value of unity and strength in the face of adversity. So yeah, Pasig Dat is a brilliant story, great story. Hafsa (14:59) He is like a heroic figure. Teyshi (15:02) Yeah, protecting his people from outside malevolent, you know, invaders, et cetera. or supernatural entities, whatever they may be. So he generally is a protector of people. So yeah, definitely superhero. But again, they mentioned the resistance aspect. Currently, as Kashmir is being occupied, then the idea of Pasek Thar is obviously very, very on point at the moment for that. Hafsa (15:21) Mm-hmm. Yeah, if you could rewrite or adapt one of these stories, how would you change it for today's audience? Teyshi (15:38) So... hmm it's an interesting question because I actually don't think I would. I don't think I would because I enjoy them too much and they have a very sentimental place for me so if it would feel utterly wrong to do that so I think how could I change it? I mean maybe... Hafsa (15:46) Mm. Mm-hmm. Teyshi (16:04) But maybe the method, so storytelling from parent to child, we were saying that that's been lost over the generations perhaps, and some of the stories are dying out. So maybe perhaps the format. So maybe they can be incorporated in children's TVs, children TV programs, or some of the kind of fun things that kids interact a lot with today. They have tablets, they probably have mobile phones now, who knows what the kids are getting up to. and even just watching the programmes, I think the way that to keep these stories alive, maybe that can be adapted. Hafsa (16:36) Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's interesting. Any other folk tale you know? Teyshi (16:38) Yep. Yeah, so I'm going to move on to Rantus, which this is quite funny because when you want to... Rantus is literally kind of almost like a witch, almost. And there is... it is a kind of a bit of a thing that sometimes people say when they're talking about someone that is not, you know, like too much or they think is not very nice. They will... Hafsa (16:46) Mm-hmm. Teyshi (17:04) the word is Rantor or something like that. I've heard people saying that. I never fully knew this story. So I'll elaborate the story behind that insult. So Rantus is the enigmatic spirit of the forest. The legend of Rantus is among the most chilling and intriguing of Kashmiri folk tales. Rantus is portrayed as a mysterious and often malevolent spirit of the mountains or forest with the power to lure unsuspecting travelers to their doom. She is described as both beautiful and terrifying, her long hair and haunting cries a signature element of her presence. Some variations of the story paint her as a tragic figure cursed by love or betrayal. While others emphasize her role as a guardian of sacred spaces, the tale of Rantus reflects the region's reverence for nature and its inherent dangers. I think it's interesting because if Rantus went up against Basigdhar it'd be quite interesting to see who would win in that because he protects against supernatural entities and she's described as a malevolent spirit of the mountains and forests so I wonder if they actually ever, you know, had a fight, know, it makes you wonder. But I think this is another one of those tales that is basically telling children not to wander off because Rantus will get you and drag you into the forest. So yeah. Hafsa (18:13) Mmm. Mmm. So why do you stories like Granta's often mix beauty and danger? What message might that send to listeners? Teyshi (18:31) Well, it's kind of a funny one that because it is for kids. And I think the idea is that she's beautiful, so she's beguiling and maybe young and old could follow her because she's, he fools them with her beauty. In other words, don't be tempted, right? Just because somebody appears nice doesn't mean they are nice. But I think it's funny because the depictions that I've seen her and the only places I've really seen her being drawn. Hafsa (18:34) Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Thank Teyshi (18:58) is on a TikTok post and I assume that's accurate, but it actually looked like the girl from The Ring, know, the film The Ring, with the long dark hair and she's kind of crawling out of the well. It kind of reminded me of the person from The Ring a little bit. But, you know, I think Rantus in this, even though she's terrifying like that, she is meant to be incredibly beautiful. Hafsa (19:03) Hmm. Yeah. Teyshi (19:24) It means to me that think their beauty lures people into the forest. That's what I think. That's what I think. You know, you're asking me. It sounds very creepy indeed. Hafsa (19:28) you That sounds creepy, yeah But yeah, I believe most people would follow beauty definitely people like I don't know. They're just drawn into beauty I guess Teyshi (19:40) Yeah, yes. Yeah, especially when somebody is intriguing and they look mysterious, you might sort of not concentrate and think what's going on there and get drawn in. So yeah, possibly. Hafsa (19:53) Okay, so if you were to modernize this story of Rantas, how would you adapt her character? Teyshi (20:00) I think again, just really not the story itself, because I think that the integrity of that story has to be preserved. It has to be, part of the culture. So I wouldn't really want to change it. But maybe, you know, they could turn her into a cartoon character. You know, she could be, they could make programs or films around it where... Hafsa (20:08) Hmm. Teyshi (20:22) she is thwarted, like I said, by Pasek there. So, you know, they could do something like that and bring it more into, you know, adapt it and then children think, where, who are these characters? Where do they come from? And then they learn. So yeah, maybe that's one thing they could do. Hafsa (20:36) Yeah, that sounds creative, Teyshi (20:38) So we've got another story here. So let me read the one of Zora Khotan. So it's a tale of love and loss. So this one seems a little bit more grown up in the sense that it's not really, I don't think aimed at children. So, you know, that this story is a poignant love story and it's also about sacrifice and destiny. So there is a beautiful maiden called Zora whose love for a mortal man defies societal and celestial norms. Hafsa (20:43) Mm-hmm. Teyshi (21:05) The story often ends in tragedy with Zora losing her love due to betrayal or divine intervention. This tale is a meditation on the fragility of human relationships and the inevitability of fate resonating with the emotional depth of Kashmiri Sufi tradition. So this seems to be a story originating from storytelling originating from Sufis in the region. But yeah, that's the story. Hafsa (21:34) So what does Zohra Khotan's story say about fate and destiny in Kashmir culture? Teyshi (21:42) The fact that although she had these plans to marry this, I think it's a half snake half man type of person. They were fated for, know, fate was against them basically. They wanted a happy ending, they weren't going to get it. So it reminds me of bit of Romeo and Juliet because she thinks that he's been killed, he hasn't. Hafsa (21:49) Mm-hmm. Teyshi (22:05) And then he wakes up and finds her killed and then he, something happens to him, either he kills himself or something. It's something similar along those lines. It reminded me very much of Romeo and Juliet where one of them thought the other one was dead, then killed themselves and the other one woke up and then they killed themselves because they found them dead. So it was a bit like that, the story a little bit, but I think, you know, it says a lot about Kashmiri culture, which is something about, you know, that you can try and do something different. Like in the case of Zora, she wanted to marry, do something completely different and probably not accepted by marrying a half human, half snake and it ended badly. So she should have listened to what she was supposed to have done, you know, what her community and probably her parents told her. But I think it's also sad because in some ways it's a little bit about how Kashmir is that. Hafsa (22:35) Hmm. Yeah. Mm. Teyshi (23:01) although it's such an amazing place and it deserves all the best and the people deserve to live in peace, it's just fated to be constantly occupied and conquered and have other people ruling it and deciding the fate. So I think that it could be used as a comparison again for Kashmir Valley. And if you look at the trajectory that it's taken, Hafsa (23:10) Mm-hmm. Teyshi (23:25) that its fate seems to lie in the hands of outsiders. Hafsa (23:30) Why do you think tragic love stories are so common in folk tales across cultures? Teyshi (23:36) Hmm, I don't know. I actually well again, I do you know what? I don't know the answer, but I think the reason that we like stories like these like Romeo and Juliet and Zora is because you're you really want them to have their happy ending and when they don't it completely crushes you And I think that is that that sort of pain I think that kind of emotion is very It really touches people people really feel it deeply Hafsa (23:52) Mm-hmm. Teyshi (24:05) because again, it's a story of love, sacrifice, destiny, loss, and all those things. And these are things that really, they remain throughout time. They're persuasive narratives in the, you look how popular Romeo and Juliet is. And if they hadn't had such a, you know, if Romeo and Juliet had met, their families had agreed and they got married, they would have just... Hafsa (24:24) Hmm. Teyshi (24:27) had a normal life and nobody would know about them. So I think these themes are enduring because they capture our hopes and dreams and how external influences can basically thwart these hopes and dreams. that's why probably in my opinion. I've got another story here. Now this one, let me just have a look. So we've covered off Hafsa (24:30) You Mm-hmm. Teyshi (24:54) Pasekta. Pasekta is probably one of the most well known along with Rantus. I mean, he Uruk-Kotan. That is a really old one. I've said Shunerbe, which seems to be not too well known. And then finally, I've got one called The Crow and The Girl. I haven't asked anyone about this, but I'm pretty sure this is another one of the tales that is not known too well. I remember this and I feel like I was about three or four when I heard this. because I was absolutely mesmerized with the story. So let me tell you what happened. So it's around the idea that, you know, it's a lesson in heeding warnings about strangers, again, a bit like Rantus. Okay, so in this one, there was a crow and he had found an orphan girl who he brought up as his own, but she had to live in the tree where he lived. So she lived in this tree branch where he was and he fed her like he would have fed a bird and he just basically looked after her because she was an orphan. And she grew up happy and everything was fine. She didn't know anything different. So the crow was like a father to her. Hafsa (25:48) Mm-hmm. Teyshi (26:01) And now every day when the crow would go out and he would go and you know, seek food to bring back, he would always say to her, don't speak to anyone, don't go anywhere, stay exactly here. If anyone comes to you to speak to you, don't answer them, don't go with them. If they say they know me and to go with them, don't listen to them, just don't move, okay? And she'd say, yes, I'm not going to move, okay? And this happened every day routinely all through the time that he brought her up. Hafsa (26:27) Mm. Teyshi (26:29) And of course, nobody ever came. So she was just sat there and then till the crow came back until one day where one the crow had flown off again, given her these instructions that he like he did every single day. This one day something did different did happen. So this was nighttime when the crow had gone to get the food and the moon was in the sky. The moon suddenly opens up and out of the moon drops a ladder. And down comes a man and he drops down to the branch where the girl is and he says, hello, I'm a friend of the crows. He's in the moon right now and he sent me to come and fetch you. And she's like, I'm not, I don't think I'm supposed to move. He told me not to move from here. And then the man says, you can trust me. I'm the crows friend. Why else would you ask you? Or why else would you ask me to come and get you up to the moon? The girl was quite unsure. Hafsa (27:00) Mm. Teyshi (27:26) But Thor, if the crow was in the moon waiting for her, she couldn't keep him waiting. And she didn't want to, you know, create a fuss or get, you know, get people upset. So she followed the man up the ladder into the moon. As soon as she stepped inside the moon, the moon shut close. When the crow came back, he saw that she was missing. He was frantic looking for her, calling her name. I suppose in his crow voice, I'm not really sure. Well he could speak to her so I'm assuming, well you know she can walk like a human so I'm assuming this crow can just talk. Gershaw. So he was talking, he was, he wasn't chirping. And anyway, so he's looking for a calling her name and then basically he's going around to people, have you seen her? Nobody saw her. And that was the story that Hafsa (27:55) Yeah Mm. Teyshi (28:15) The girl had gone up, followed this person into the moon. The moon closed and she was never seen again. And that's the whole story. So it's a tale of abduction basically. Hafsa (28:19) Hmm. God. I really... Wow. She should have listened, basically, and not just fall into the trap. Teyshi (28:31) She should have listened because I was fascinated with the moon in the night sky for a long time after that. I was convinced that the shadows on the moon were birds or bats that had got trapped in it. And because the moon, they'd flown in and the moon had shut, they were trapped in there and that's what the shadows were. This is what, after hearing the story, this is what I made up in my mind because the story was so real for me that in my mind... Hafsa (28:39) Mm. Mm-hmm. Hmm. Teyshi (29:00) the shadows on the moon were trapped, birds flying around or bats. I mean yeah it just goes to show you how some of these stories can be. Hafsa (29:08) Yeah, I like the fact they are using crow because crow is known as the smartest bird species Yeah, it can recognize facial recognition like it knows the person human faces it remembers and then it's also known as a problem solving skills. It's really good at it So using a crow that's very smart Teyshi (29:15) Mmm. Awesome! Yeah, well yeah, exactly. Yeah, I think he should have abduction-proofed the tree though. But anyway, that's the story. So that's our final tale. What do you think of these stories so far that I've told you? Hafsa (29:41) Yeah. Mm-hmm. I find them incredible, you know, like the way the way people we use this story just for their for children to listen Yeah, yeah, that's it. That's the word Yeah Teyshi (29:59) Yeah, they're manipulation tactics, we can say that. Yeah, exactly. But I think it's funny because with that crow story, it's like the Red Riding Hood don't stay on the path. The mother tells Red Riding Hood don't speak to anyone and then she doesn't listen and then we know the rest. you know, there is this, it seems like these stories are born of parents trying to convey real world adult dangers to small children in a way that they can understand. Hafsa (30:14) Exactly. Mmm. Teyshi (30:31) That's what's so fascinating about them. And it makes you wonder that, you know, we wouldn't have these stories if these real world dangers didn't exist, right? We might have different stories that were less dramatic, maybe, you know, if we didn't have real world danger and consequences. But it's just a way to kind of convey to children in a way that possibly they can understand and grabs their imagination and attention. Hafsa (30:56) Mm. Teyshi (30:56) But you know, there is worry here. You need to be careful. yeah, it's interesting. Interesting, very. Hafsa (31:00) Very interesting, yeah. So that brings us to an end of today's journey through the mystical world of Kashmir Folk Tale. From the haunting cries of raunters to the heartbreaking love of Zohra Khotan and the wise yet tragic lesson of the crow and the girl, these stories remind us of the power of storytelling to connect, teach and inspire. A huge thank you to Teyshi for sharing your insights and passion for these tales. It's been a wonderful conversation. If you enjoyed this episode, don't forget to subscribe, leave a review, share it with fellow story lovers. Do you have a favorite folk tale or personal connection to one of these stories? We'd love to hear from you. Connect with us. Until next time, keep exploring the magic stories because every tale has a lesson and every lesson becomes a part of who we are. Thank you for listening. Teyshi (32:00) Bye bye. Bye bye. Hafsa (32:01) Bye!