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You know that feeling when you open the fridge,

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you're staring at a really sad onion, a bag of

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carrots, maybe half a bag of tortillas. And I

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think, what on earth am I supposed to make with

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this? That was me, two nights in a row. So instead

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of doomscrolling DoorDash, which is a popular

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delivery system, a food delivery system in the

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United States, I thought, what if AI could help?

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Hey, I'm Mukundan. This show is about solving

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real problems with small, useful AI, things that

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you can actually use today. Each week, we pick

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one problem, build a simple workflow or tool,

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and talk through the decisions, what to automate,

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how to check quality, and how to make it reliable.

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If you're a builder, creator, or just AI curious,

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you'll leave with the steps that you can copy

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tonight. I thought, what if AI could help, right?

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Not to give me some crazy Michelin level recipe,

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but something that I can actually make with what

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I already have. Today I'll take you behind the

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scenes of my Pantry to Plate AI app, which is

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an app I used to help. Today I'll take you behind

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the scenes of the prompt I used to give me options

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of what kind of food I can make with the ingredients

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I have at home. and the appliances the ingredients

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and appliances that i have at home so we'll explore

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the rules that keep this app very practical the

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ai that helps it make the app the prompt was

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also so yes here's what i'm trying to uh here's

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what i'm trying to achieve here i will give an

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app and also i'll give a prompt that can be used

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for everybody so it's not just you need to be

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very technical to do it you can just go with

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the app or the prompt, whichever one you like,

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so that you can try yourself tonight. So it's

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a prompt that you can put in your chat GPT or

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cloud, and then you can try that prompt tonight.

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Here's the problem we all face. Let's say it's

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9 .30 p .m. on a weekday night. You're exhausted,

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and there's not a lot at home, food -wise. It

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could be rising inflation costs, could be that

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you didn't have time to go to the grocery store,

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or you didn't want to be... buying any groceries

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from your, you know, food, the grocery food app

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or grocery food delivery app, right? So that's

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something that a lot of people go through this,

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right? You are not having anything at home to

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make. So you end up buying outside or whatever,

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right? Or you eat something basic, could be a

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sandwich. But sometimes even when you're that

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tired or bored, you still don't want to eat.

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that kind of boring food I mean quote -unquote

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boring it would not be boring for everybody but

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yeah it's in my particular case what I'll say

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is like it was very late I mean I just finished

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work and I do like I have to so in my particular

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case it was just that it like it was very late

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in the evening it was like around 7 30 and I

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had nothing prepared for food and I had to wake

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up early in the morning so I had to sleep in

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early as well like usually I sleep around 10

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p .m and this particular case no it was so in

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my particular case it was like 7 30 p .m in the

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evening and it was a very long day and i was

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exhausted so i all i and i'm really hungry too

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and all i see in my kitchen is just rice potatoes

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and i had an instant pot luckily so although

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i had this instant pot for a while i've not been

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using it the way i would have thought i would

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right and instant pot for those of you who are

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not familiar it's like a cooking appliances which

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is essentially like a more convenient pressure

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cooker it's like it's like a crock pot but it's

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faster that's what i would say would make it

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an instant pot crock pot usually takes a while

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to cook instant pots you know get the cooking

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done quickly but anyway so here's what happened

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on this particular night i was almost going to

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order something to eat from a fast food place

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because i was just done and i thought like what

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and i've been i've been in this ai space like

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i've been talking about AI, how we can use AI

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in the practical world already by this time.

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But I thought, what if I can use AI to help me

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craft up some recipes that I can use? But I mean,

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then again, I'm not a great cook and nor am I

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a registered dietitian. I'm not even a dietitian.

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I don't even know what to make or eat most of

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the days. Or I don't know what kind of diet would

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be the greatest to follow. I guess I have a general

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idea, but you know. Then again, I'm not an expert

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is what I'm trying to say. I thought, what if

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I could use AI to help me make this app or at

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least help me build out a prompt that I can use

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to, you know, tell, at least help me build out

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a prompt which I can then feed this prompt what

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kind of ingredients I have at home, maybe what

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kind of appliances that I have available to me

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so that it... spits out these recipes that i

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can i can use so i'm not even a great cook so

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like i said so it's not going to be something

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i wanted complex i wanted something easy so one

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thing i do acknowledge like you know and i think

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most people can relate who watch these food contests

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right like these uh these shows which which have

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food competitions i think one of them is chopped

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If you're familiar with it, it's like a food

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competition show. You need to make food really

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quick, I guess, and in high pressure environments.

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That's basically the gist of it. So instead of

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like a singing show, like The Idol or something,

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where you're competing with others for your voice,

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you are competing with others for your cooking

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skills. And it's like, yeah, in this case, let's

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call this job a TV show. except that you're the

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only contestant and the prize is that you're

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not going to quit. And the prize is that you're

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just not going to go to bed hungry. And that's

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the universal pain point. We don't want to be

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hungry, obviously. We all have our different

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appliances at home. We have a bunch of random

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ingredients and everyone has those nights where

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we just don't want to think. We don't want to

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be spending our time thinking what I'm going

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to be eating. So we just want to be eating, right?

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Yeah, I mean, if you're really smart enough,

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you'd probably be meal prepping, right, for the

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week. Preparing your meals in advance on the

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weekends and then over the week, you just have

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to warm it up. That's great. But sometimes you

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just feel like eating fresh food. And for those

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kind of cases, obviously, like, how do you do

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it when you're really busy as well? That's really

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the problem here. i wanted to see how i can use

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ai to help me with this problem but when i was

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looking at this problem i didn't want to directly

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start with ai i wanted to build like a set of

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rules for this prompt right so i wanted to see

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not just using what ingredients i have at home

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but also like what kind of appliances or what

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kind of stuff i have at home essentially like

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everything that i have at home how can i so i

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didn't want to um start with the air like i said

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i just wanted to build out a rule system right

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like if you have an air fryer and potatoes you

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should see make crispy veggies it's just very

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simple right like i mean if if you have potatoes

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you know what an air fryer does if you're familiar

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with an air fryer It helps you crisp up everything

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that you have. That's the main function of it.

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Everything else is, I think, like an extra feature.

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Yeah, I'm sure it allows you to bake and maybe

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dehydrate and everything. But at the end of the

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day, it's just crisping up everything without

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using oil or maybe not much oil, right? In my

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case, I wanted it to use the appliances that

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I have at home as an input, use the ingredients

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that I have at home as an input as well, and

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then spit out something. which will tell me more

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practical ways of how I can make food. So if

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I have like, let's say I have carrots, I have

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chicken, I don't know, potatoes, what can it

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suggest with what I have? And let's say I have

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an Instant Pot too, right? So maybe it will suggest,

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for example, it would tell me to bake the chicken

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and then like cook the chicken in the Instant

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Pot, shred it out with, you know, your knives

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and fork or whatever. use that with potatoes

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or something like make something with the potatoes

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or carrots like the instant pot so everything

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can be done really essentially something which

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is easy but I just wanted it to understand that

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like I just didn't want like basic recipes I

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wanted it to tell me how I can do everything

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in an efficient way so I broke it down into categories

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where I told like there's three things I did

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essentially one is the appliances then the ingredient

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groups and one was meal type and the last one

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was meal types So the appliances, I told it like

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what kind of appliances I have at home. So for

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example, in my case, it was an air fryer, instant

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pot, blender, oven, stove top, obviously, and

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a toaster oven and a grill. So these are like

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some different options. But in my case, the appliances

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that I had on hand was just air fryer, instant

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pot, a blender, oven, and a stove top. So then

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the other thing was I had to tell it what kind

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of ingredient groups I have at home, like pantry

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staples, proteins, vegetables. spices, dairy,

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condiments, and what kind of meal types I wanted.

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Like breakfast, lunch, dinner, and snack. And

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the other thing I was thinking about in a future

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version was how to add like cuisine in it. Like

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what kind of different cuisines I want. Whether

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it's Mexican or Greek or Italian, right, or Indian.

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So I wanted my app to feel like, you know, your

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grandma's recipe binder, for instance. Predictable.

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structured and it's always there because well

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i mean ai is at the end of the day garbage in

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garbage out so ai alone it's just sometimes it's

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like asking a friend who's too creative for their

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own good so i don't want to be too creative right

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don't tell me like oh something's really fancy

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and sometimes some of those things may not make

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sense but i wanted some general ideas again one

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thing to remember with ai is like yeah it's going

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to give you some suggestions But at the end of

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the day, you still have to use your own brain

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to make the food. You have to think if those

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suggestions make sense to you. But you want some

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ideas to think a little bit at least. I know

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you're extremely tired. And maybe something more

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basic is fine. Like chicken cooked by itself

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or potatoes cooked by itself. But I would say

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not like super complex recipes. I wouldn't trust

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AI completely there. At some point, you might

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have to just... youtube a bit obviously but in

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this case this use case is specifically for when

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you're like really exhausted right for those

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kind of cases or you're like really you know

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it's probably the end of the month one second

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so that's essentially it i didn't want it to

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be extremely creative just wanted to give some

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basic recipes for me that i can make on a week

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night for example right now let's try to think

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about how and where the ai fits it i i wanted

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this structure i didn't want i didn't want there

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to be like some structure to it i just wanted

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some recipes which i can make quick ideas essentially

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but obviously i'm going to be using my own brain

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there i wanted ai to add some fun to it and i

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guess the spice literally um here's how i use

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ai in the app here's how i use ai in the app

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i use it for Recipe riffing. I use it for getting

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some twists and basic recipes. So I'm Indian,

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just for context. So as an Indian, I try to make

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veg pulao, which is nothing but cooked rice mixed

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with... So it's nothing but rice cooked with

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vegetables, mixed vegetables. And an AI might

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suggest a Thai version of it with coconut milk

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or a Mexican version with... chili those are

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some nice twists and obviously not everything

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not every one of those twists might make sense

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but it is nice to know what you can do with things

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you have on hand so for example you may just

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have the rice and you may not have any mixed

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vegetables at home and you may have for example

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that just like a tomato at home or just like

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the canned tomato sauce which what you can do

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with that for example right so ai might suggest

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like a twist in that recipe so that's it's nice

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to know At the end of the day, it might offer

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you some ingredient swaps, right? So if you don't

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have any cumin at home, it might say like use

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coriander powder instead. Or if you don't have

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coriander powder, if you have coriander or something

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like that, or, you know, get the drift. Like

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we just mentioned what all stuff you have at

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home and it might offer you some kind of alternative

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in this case. It might give you, I tell you some

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flavor sliders, which means that. You can tell

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the AI the kind of mood that you're in. If you're

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in a mood for something quick, if you're in a

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mood for something spicy or healthy or something

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even comforting, it tweaks the recipes to match

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that vibe and also give you some smart combo

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options, right? Like if you have tortillas, beans

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and cheese, obviously the rules say quesadilla,

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but AI can tell you a bit further. what about

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some indian style masala wrap right so that you

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can do as well if you tell it yeah these other

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kind of spices at home so like maybe if you have

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some indian spices at home like a curry masala

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or a curry powder or some turmeric it might suggest

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some possible suggestions there and it might

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help you with some pantry chat is what i call

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it so if you're like completely stuck so if you're

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like completely stuck you can just type in what

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you have and yeah i will throw out a few ideas

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to help you get going so basically it is chatting

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with you like a i guess what a chatbot does in

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that sense or your friend does right so think

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in more human terms like a friend but obviously

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it will it will give you some ideas to get you

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going now it's like it's like having gordon ramsey

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or or and your grandma in the kitchen without

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the yelling yes it's just it's just fun that's

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all i think it is now here's something i wanted

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to try with you like i wanted to make this interactive

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so let's try and copy this and try it in your

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chat gpt application or your cloud app so let's

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say this is this is the prompt i want you to

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try and and paste it in your chat gpt or cloud

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say this right i have In bracket, list your three

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to five ingredients and these appliances. And

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again, list those appliances in bracket. Suggest

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three meal ideas. I can make it under 30 minutes.

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So it's just to reiterate, suggest three meal

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ideas I can make in under 30 minutes. If I'm

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missing something, suggest simple substitutions

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from the pantry basics that I have at home. Keep

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it realistic. And this can be more complex. This

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was the prompt essentially, but if you want to

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make it more complex, you can. At the end of

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the day, just think of it like a partner that

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you want to talk to. Think of it like a human,

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which helps with conversations. Obviously, it's

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not a human, but you should be, if you think

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it like a human, like how you would talk to a

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natural human being, that's the same thing you

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need to do, which would help you get better responses

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from the AI. So I want you to try this tonight.

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And again, I'm going to put this prompt in the

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show notes so you have it. And I'll be creating

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a discussion group for you to post your thoughts.

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And you can reach out to me personally. If you

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sign up for my free newsletter, you can directly

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contact me and I can respond back to that to

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see if you could come up with something. So try

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this tonight. Let me know if the AI gave you

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something that you could cook. or something crazy.

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I'd like to know, right? I'm very interested

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to see how this works. So try this in your prompt

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and share your results with me on Substack or

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Twitter or you can just email me as well if you

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sign up for the free newsletter. Another thing

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I wanted to try is here's a quick quiz for you.

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Just it's a true or false. If you only rely on

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AI, this is the question, right? If you only

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rely on AI, it might suggest recipes you can't

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cook because it assumes you have tools that...

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you don't is it true or false so i'm gonna you

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know say the question one more time if you only

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rely on ai it might suggest recipes you can't

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cook because it assumes you have tools you don't

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so i'm giving you a few seconds here to think

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and well here's the solution right answer is

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true because The app always starts with the rules

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and AI comes second. So that's essentially it.

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Now, here's something I wanted to discuss with

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you as well in this segment. When it comes to

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cooking, do you prefer structure, like tried

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and true recipes or creativity, something new

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and fun? Share that answer with me online or

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email or however you want to reach me. And all

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the ways to connect with me are in the show notes.

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I'll tell you what the community says in the

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next episode. I learned that, here's what my

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lessons from this app was. I learned that AI

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works best as your partner, but not as a replacement,

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right? In cooking, in work, in life, you need

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the rails first and then you need creativity.

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The magic isn't AI versus rules. It's AI with

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the rules. You need to give that context essentially.

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That's what makes this app useful. You can't

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just be saying, yeah, give me like recipes to

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cook because that's not going to be helpful at

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all. You need to give it certain instructions.

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Talk to it like a human would. Like how would

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a human directly understand what kind of food

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you want if they don't know you at all? That's

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what makes this app useful. I think it always

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gives you a real meal you can cook, but also

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keeps it interesting with new ideas. So to summarize

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that, that night with just rice, onions and potatoes,

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I ended up making a veg pulao. which is just

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like I said, like a rice cooked with vegetables.

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And the app suggested that Thai twist with coconut

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milk, but that's when I realized this wasn't

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just about dinner. It was a mindset. So here's

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a challenge that I have for you. Try the prompt

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that I gave earlier tonight. And again, it's

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in the show notes. But if you want something

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more structured, check out that app that I built.

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It's also going to be in the show notes where

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it's a bit more code heavy. So if you wanted

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to try that, you can try that as well. So the

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rules keep you grounded, but AI will add that

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spark to what you're doing. And please share

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the results with me. I'd love to hear from you.

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I'd love to hear from you and I'd love to see

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these results as well. Until next time, may your

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fridge be full, your AI be helpful, and your

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dinner actually tastes good. well in the show

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notes you also see some you know the prompt challenges

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the quiz and a discussion question and uh you

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know a link to the blog which will have the app

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as well so that will help you try to do it by

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yourself before before you go just wanted to

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