WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.060 Hey everyone, it's Mukundan from Data and AI 00:00:02.060 --> 00:00:09.740 with Mukundan. Hey everyone, it's Mukundan from 00:00:09.740 --> 00:00:12.740 Data and AI with Mukundan. Have you ever stared 00:00:12.740 --> 00:00:15.359 at a Google slide deck or a Microsoft PowerPoint 00:00:15.359 --> 00:00:20.579 slide and just wanted to delete it all? So you're 00:00:20.579 --> 00:00:22.600 working on a presentation and maybe your boss 00:00:22.600 --> 00:00:26.100 asked you to work on this presentation to present 00:00:26.100 --> 00:00:29.309 to maybe future investors, right? You've been 00:00:29.309 --> 00:00:31.289 asked to walk someone through your thinking. 00:00:32.869 --> 00:00:39.170 On a Zoom call and you felt like running. That 00:00:39.170 --> 00:00:44.009 was me. Always me. Until the day I woke up with 00:00:44.009 --> 00:00:48.369 no memory and a calendar full of goals I didn't 00:00:48.369 --> 00:00:53.509 even recognize. This is a story of identity. 00:00:55.090 --> 00:00:59.820 Burnout by tech and storytelling. And what happens 00:00:59.820 --> 00:01:03.659 when you stop trying to perform and start trying 00:01:03.659 --> 00:01:09.599 to connect? This is Theta and AI with Mukundan. 00:01:11.980 --> 00:01:16.659 So, here's how it started. I got the request 00:01:16.659 --> 00:01:22.480 like we all do. Hey, can you present your work 00:01:22.480 --> 00:01:27.730 next week? Or, I think in my case it was Can 00:01:27.730 --> 00:01:30.310 you present this work this Friday? Should have 00:01:30.310 --> 00:01:33.790 been routine. Right? But something in me cracked. 00:01:34.909 --> 00:01:37.450 Because I didn't know what I was even working 00:01:37.450 --> 00:01:42.709 on anymore. My dashboards were full. My notebooks 00:01:42.709 --> 00:01:45.349 looked fine. You know, those Python notebooks 00:01:45.349 --> 00:01:53.329 you work on. But me? Empty. Then I woke up one 00:01:53.329 --> 00:01:57.790 day with no memory. And I... blinking calendar 00:01:57.790 --> 00:02:03.549 which said an invite for a meeting called spotlight 00:02:03.549 --> 00:02:08.009 it wasn't a medical issue it was intentional 00:02:08.009 --> 00:02:13.229 like a reset it's triggered by a version of me 00:02:13.229 --> 00:02:20.090 that left behind a single sticky note so the 00:02:20.090 --> 00:02:23.050 sticky note read you asked for this remember 00:02:23.050 --> 00:02:27.610 and i was about to find out what I meant by that. 00:02:31.469 --> 00:02:33.969 So that meeting which I mentioned previously, 00:02:34.169 --> 00:02:39.430 Spotlight, turned out to be one of the important 00:02:39.430 --> 00:02:44.969 company meetings. And I was meeting this person 00:02:44.969 --> 00:02:48.930 for the first time. He greeted me. Let's call 00:02:48.930 --> 00:02:56.780 him Dwight. Dwight from The Office. Nobody wasn't 00:02:56.780 --> 00:03:00.039 like Dwight from The Office, but just for argument's 00:03:00.039 --> 00:03:07.240 sake, right? And he was talking about a really 00:03:07.240 --> 00:03:09.900 important concept. So I had to really understand 00:03:09.900 --> 00:03:15.740 that concept and potentially use that in my presentation 00:03:15.740 --> 00:03:22.860 for the coming Friday. So the conversation was 00:03:22.860 --> 00:03:26.599 pretty raw. We were like trying to be, since 00:03:26.599 --> 00:03:28.020 it was the first time, we were trying to get 00:03:28.020 --> 00:03:30.740 acquainted with each other as well and, you know, 00:03:30.740 --> 00:03:33.360 just take it slow, but also get the more important 00:03:33.360 --> 00:03:37.060 details out of what I would need for my presentation 00:03:37.060 --> 00:03:42.900 on Friday. And I just thought it's going to be 00:03:42.900 --> 00:03:46.240 pretty simple, but it's just that like I'm working 00:03:46.240 --> 00:03:49.919 on this, you know, the notes that came out of 00:03:49.919 --> 00:03:54.120 this meeting. and it's hard to translate into 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:58.400 slides like how do i use this like okay maybe 00:03:58.400 --> 00:04:01.620 i asked i asked dwight to record the meeting 00:04:01.620 --> 00:04:05.180 so that i have a transcription later on and the 00:04:05.180 --> 00:04:08.719 idea was to use the transcription as slides um 00:04:08.719 --> 00:04:14.680 for my meeting later and you know there's a lot 00:04:14.680 --> 00:04:17.720 of requests that keep coming through in addition 00:04:17.720 --> 00:04:20.879 to this slide presentation that I need to do. 00:04:21.560 --> 00:04:26.100 There's other competing priorities. So where 00:04:26.100 --> 00:04:29.860 do you find the time? And it's not just that, 00:04:29.939 --> 00:04:34.839 it's just if you're an introvert, I consider 00:04:34.839 --> 00:04:38.160 myself more on the introverted side. I wouldn't 00:04:38.160 --> 00:04:41.139 say I'm like a complete introvert, but maybe 00:04:41.139 --> 00:04:46.899 an ambivert if I'm being honest. You know, you 00:04:46.899 --> 00:04:50.250 wouldn't ambivert or introvert I don't think 00:04:50.250 --> 00:04:54.990 presenting to people is something you would enjoy 00:04:54.990 --> 00:04:59.290 as much as an extrovert would in most cases well 00:04:59.290 --> 00:05:05.529 at least for myself and you know it's just like 00:05:05.529 --> 00:05:10.170 you need to prepare a lot to have a good presentation 00:05:10.170 --> 00:05:13.370 because you are not just like actually preparing 00:05:13.370 --> 00:05:16.610 the notes for the presentation you are Actually 00:05:16.610 --> 00:05:20.689 preparing for the fears that you face. And so 00:05:20.689 --> 00:05:27.629 talking with yourself through these fears, that 00:05:27.629 --> 00:05:29.689 is an extra level of preparation that you need 00:05:29.689 --> 00:05:32.209 to do. And this is in addition to your day job, 00:05:32.310 --> 00:05:39.730 right? And obviously you need to create the presentation 00:05:39.730 --> 00:05:43.709 too. Well, I thought this is a lot of work to 00:05:43.709 --> 00:05:47.540 do. within a very short period of time and i 00:05:47.540 --> 00:05:50.839 mean i'm already on tuesday and i have i'm sure 00:05:50.839 --> 00:05:52.519 there's a lot of competing priorities right now 00:05:52.519 --> 00:05:55.620 which i should be rather doing rather than the 00:05:55.620 --> 00:05:59.079 presentation the presentation is just a more 00:05:59.079 --> 00:06:05.540 internal uh meeting but is this something i need 00:06:05.540 --> 00:06:07.779 to still prepare for like i said it's talking 00:06:07.779 --> 00:06:14.500 through the spheres it's a big task So here's 00:06:14.500 --> 00:06:17.839 the thing, and I'm not the only person who doesn't 00:06:17.839 --> 00:06:23.459 enjoy presentations, I'm sure. There are other 00:06:23.459 --> 00:06:29.160 builders, other coders who are quiet. Data folks, 00:06:29.420 --> 00:06:36.040 analysts, designers, engineers, I'm sure. People 00:06:36.040 --> 00:06:39.939 I've worked with in these capacities have been 00:06:39.939 --> 00:06:44.620 more introverted than not. I asked them, like, 00:06:44.620 --> 00:06:50.939 how do you deal with it? And they wrote me, I 00:06:50.939 --> 00:06:54.579 freeze every time I'm asked to present. And I 00:06:54.579 --> 00:06:56.459 thought I was the only one who hated being on 00:06:56.459 --> 00:07:03.639 display at that time, right? And so I just kept 00:07:03.639 --> 00:07:08.319 following that calendar. I said, don't drink 00:07:08.319 --> 00:07:14.290 coffee today. Just feel it. Call your wife. And 00:07:14.290 --> 00:07:17.750 prepare with her if you want to. These are like 00:07:17.750 --> 00:07:19.790 internal conversations I'm having with myself. 00:07:20.730 --> 00:07:25.290 I was like code, record, reflect, repeat. And 00:07:25.290 --> 00:07:30.709 I was becoming something new. Someone new. Well, 00:07:30.769 --> 00:07:34.430 maybe I was just meeting that person at Buried 00:07:34.430 --> 00:07:39.269 Under Slide Decks. By week four, I wasn't just 00:07:39.269 --> 00:07:42.069 obeying the reminders. I was actually curious 00:07:42.069 --> 00:07:48.069 about them. So one of these reminders, they said, 00:07:48.110 --> 00:07:54.689 do something scary at 4 p .m. And this was way 00:07:54.689 --> 00:07:57.709 back when. But yeah, I mean, at that time, I 00:07:57.709 --> 00:08:00.670 was just like, well, let me just DM a startup 00:08:00.670 --> 00:08:07.430 founder I admired. It was nice to get a response 00:08:07.430 --> 00:08:09.589 back. This was regarding a job opportunity at 00:08:09.589 --> 00:08:13.769 the time. And another said, don't post anything, 00:08:13.949 --> 00:08:18.439 just journal instead. And I wrote about 800 words 00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:24.620 that clarified a decision about what I would 00:08:24.620 --> 00:08:28.839 be taking next in my life that I had been avoiding 00:08:28.839 --> 00:08:33.340 for weeks. The calendar was training me not to 00:08:33.340 --> 00:08:38.899 be productive, but to be present. So all this 00:08:38.899 --> 00:08:45.100 is before, right? Like, I mean... One day it 00:08:45.100 --> 00:08:48.159 was just like open the deck, the one from last 00:08:48.159 --> 00:08:53.279 year. You know, I created presentations before. 00:08:53.360 --> 00:08:57.679 It's just not, it was easy to create. I thought 00:08:57.679 --> 00:09:01.340 it was when I was a bit more extroverted than 00:09:01.340 --> 00:09:07.559 I am now. And I had more practice. But here's 00:09:07.559 --> 00:09:10.879 the thing now. I have a lot of competing priorities. 00:09:12.720 --> 00:09:18.100 So coming back to this, how would I be able to 00:09:18.100 --> 00:09:20.419 create a presentation in a short amount of time 00:09:20.419 --> 00:09:25.500 using, you know, maybe text from a conversation 00:09:25.500 --> 00:09:28.399 like the meeting I mentioned earlier with the 00:09:28.399 --> 00:09:32.399 strange person Dwight. I wanted to get the transcript 00:09:32.399 --> 00:09:36.279 out of it and get the key notes that were discussed 00:09:36.279 --> 00:09:41.820 in the meeting. And it is a... how do you do 00:09:41.820 --> 00:09:44.700 it with your day job and that's when i was thinking 00:09:44.700 --> 00:09:47.559 well what if i let ai help me build something 00:09:47.559 --> 00:09:54.179 here um so i have like i mean i'm already at 00:09:54.179 --> 00:09:57.879 the end of wednesday it's wednesday night and 00:09:57.879 --> 00:10:01.059 friday's presentation but uh i was like well 00:10:01.059 --> 00:10:03.139 it's already late so let me build this tomorrow 00:10:03.139 --> 00:10:10.990 let me ask ai to help me with the slides so that's 00:10:10.990 --> 00:10:14.029 what I did like I tried to build something with 00:10:14.029 --> 00:10:17.830 chat GPT first and I was like well can you turn 00:10:17.830 --> 00:10:28.090 this transcript into into slides and yeah it 00:10:28.090 --> 00:10:33.529 worked it worked great so it said like basically 00:10:33.529 --> 00:10:36.330 you know it took this transcript and it gave 00:10:36.330 --> 00:10:38.769 me like really clear notes which I could use 00:10:39.309 --> 00:10:45.070 for my presentation the next day and the actual 00:10:45.070 --> 00:10:49.830 presentation it was great i had like about 15 00:10:49.830 --> 00:10:54.750 slides if i'm not wrong and it was an internal 00:10:54.750 --> 00:10:57.590 presentation but it was still important for the 00:10:57.590 --> 00:10:59.490 internal stakeholders to understand what was 00:10:59.490 --> 00:11:03.809 going on because they were about to have a key 00:11:03.809 --> 00:11:08.440 meeting with our external stakeholders like people 00:11:08.440 --> 00:11:13.279 on the outside and this was important for them 00:11:13.279 --> 00:11:21.440 to understand what was going on but like they 00:11:21.440 --> 00:11:25.299 admired the presentation because I used some 00:11:25.299 --> 00:11:29.980 help from AI to help speed things up and I thought 00:11:29.980 --> 00:11:34.340 like well this has helped me a lot and I'm sure 00:11:35.049 --> 00:11:38.389 There are people like me who do not enjoy presentations. 00:11:39.350 --> 00:11:41.769 And people I mentioned before, right? These could 00:11:41.769 --> 00:11:45.669 be your people you work with every day. And from 00:11:45.669 --> 00:11:48.250 my experience as an analyst and as a data scientist, 00:11:48.490 --> 00:11:51.789 I've known these people to be more introvert, 00:11:51.789 --> 00:11:57.409 like the coders, the data folks, engineers. So 00:11:57.409 --> 00:12:02.289 they do not enjoy giving presentations. Or at 00:12:02.289 --> 00:12:04.129 least they don't enjoy creating the slides for 00:12:04.129 --> 00:12:06.590 sure. Because it does involve a lot of design 00:12:06.590 --> 00:12:15.230 work and statistically I haven't seen all engineers 00:12:15.230 --> 00:12:21.889 at least to be very good in creating amazing 00:12:21.889 --> 00:12:25.470 visuals. And by visuals I don't mean data visuals, 00:12:25.669 --> 00:12:32.480 I mean beautiful images. The ones which were 00:12:32.480 --> 00:12:34.779 used in presentations may be created by someone 00:12:34.779 --> 00:12:40.059 in marketing. Because that's usually not a core 00:12:40.059 --> 00:12:43.779 part of our job. A core part of our job could 00:12:43.779 --> 00:12:50.960 be analyzing data or coding or whatever. Because 00:12:50.960 --> 00:12:53.039 marketing people, they're trained on it. This 00:12:53.039 --> 00:12:55.759 is something they go to business school for. 00:12:57.639 --> 00:13:01.000 I'm sure building presentations is a skill. It 00:13:01.000 --> 00:13:03.419 can be learned. Everybody can do it. It's not 00:13:03.419 --> 00:13:10.779 rocket science. Right? And I thought, I'm not 00:13:10.779 --> 00:13:13.620 the only one doing this. I'm not the only one 00:13:13.620 --> 00:13:16.840 feeling this pressure. I'm sure others are too. 00:13:17.740 --> 00:13:22.919 And that's when I decided. I wanted to help these 00:13:22.919 --> 00:13:26.220 introverts or these ambiverts, maybe even extroverts, 00:13:26.340 --> 00:13:29.399 whoever, right? Whoever does not like to create 00:13:29.399 --> 00:13:33.870 slides. maybe help them build an application 00:13:33.870 --> 00:13:37.730 which they can build themselves as well and give 00:13:37.730 --> 00:13:41.029 it the prompt they need to turn any kind of text 00:13:41.029 --> 00:13:48.210 into slides and thinking more about this it's 00:13:48.210 --> 00:13:51.970 not just anybody doesn't like slides it's about 00:13:51.970 --> 00:13:54.330 anybody who doesn't have time to create those 00:13:54.330 --> 00:14:01.169 and so that's what I did and in the show notes 00:14:01.169 --> 00:14:04.649 that you'll find it like I have the blog post 00:14:04.649 --> 00:14:07.549 which talks about this helps you create a code 00:14:07.549 --> 00:14:10.250 I mean helps you see the code which I've used 00:14:10.250 --> 00:14:15.250 to convert any kind of blog or any kind of data 00:14:15.250 --> 00:14:22.129 really into slides in my example I've actually 00:14:22.129 --> 00:14:29.600 used a blog which I created and I also link to 00:14:29.600 --> 00:14:33.799 the slides which got generated as a result of 00:14:33.799 --> 00:14:37.940 that blog right and this one this particular 00:14:37.940 --> 00:14:41.600 one didn't give me images because i'm sure we 00:14:41.600 --> 00:14:45.559 can adjust that based on the prompt we use but 00:14:45.559 --> 00:14:50.259 that is possible to do as well so if if there's 00:14:50.259 --> 00:14:53.879 anything that you would want to see with it like 00:14:53.879 --> 00:14:59.179 let's say um you want to create amazing visuals 00:14:59.179 --> 00:15:02.700 in your slides from the data that you have that's 00:15:02.700 --> 00:15:07.700 something um you can ask the prompt to do or 00:15:07.700 --> 00:15:09.480 you can just reach out to me as well and i can 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:14.100 help you guide on that and the best way to reach 00:15:14.100 --> 00:15:17.779 out to me is uh on my substack website which 00:15:17.779 --> 00:15:23.659 would be in the show notes but um i would just 00:15:23.659 --> 00:15:28.730 say just feel free to create your own using my 00:15:28.730 --> 00:15:34.730 code right and and you'd be able to just save 00:15:34.730 --> 00:15:38.250 a lot of time forget about the slides and maybe 00:15:38.250 --> 00:15:41.789 just focus on on your fear because the fear is 00:15:41.789 --> 00:15:43.889 something which is a bit more complex to handle 00:15:43.889 --> 00:15:45.629 but at least you have some more time on your 00:15:45.629 --> 00:15:49.129 hands when you are building out the slides through 00:15:49.129 --> 00:15:55.970 some through an ai right and i think that's the 00:15:55.970 --> 00:16:02.769 main aim just like to Be more free. Let AI do 00:16:02.769 --> 00:16:05.610 the heavy lifting and you can focus on yourself. 00:16:05.870 --> 00:16:11.429 And in this case, yourself means improving on 00:16:11.429 --> 00:16:17.710 your public speaking skills. So, yeah, that's 00:16:17.710 --> 00:16:22.830 pretty much it, right? Don't burn out. Don't 00:16:22.830 --> 00:16:26.269 focus on how you cannot do this. It's pretty 00:16:26.269 --> 00:16:30.220 easy to do. If you let AI handle some of the 00:16:30.220 --> 00:16:33.700 other things, the routine does. Creating the 00:16:33.700 --> 00:16:39.659 slides is time consuming. And yeah, I'm sure 00:16:39.659 --> 00:16:41.759 the AI will not give you 100 % perfect slides, 00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:46.620 but it'll give you a start. Because you'd want 00:16:46.620 --> 00:16:48.500 to be able to focus on maybe creating that image 00:16:48.500 --> 00:17:00.889 if you want. And the actual presentation. So 00:17:00.889 --> 00:17:03.110 everybody, yeah, just like to come back to my 00:17:03.110 --> 00:17:06.210 story, everybody loved my presentation and I'm 00:17:06.210 --> 00:17:13.309 hoping with these slides, with this app, you're 00:17:13.309 --> 00:17:19.109 able to turn any kind of data into slides. So 00:17:19.109 --> 00:17:21.049 at that time I had used ChatGPT, but I wanted 00:17:21.049 --> 00:17:24.730 to use like a Python -based script, which I've 00:17:24.730 --> 00:17:28.049 done in the blog post, which is linked to the 00:17:28.049 --> 00:17:35.059 show notes. is just that python will help you 00:17:35.059 --> 00:17:37.019 build like a clear application to use time and 00:17:37.019 --> 00:17:39.299 again and chat gpt you may need to remember that 00:17:39.299 --> 00:17:42.839 chat where you wrote it or these days you can 00:17:42.839 --> 00:17:45.380 create your own gpt as well which is something 00:17:45.380 --> 00:17:51.779 i'm working on so um have a look have a look 00:17:51.779 --> 00:17:59.900 out for that you want to ask these slides to 00:17:59.900 --> 00:18:02.160 capture your voice that's something which can 00:18:02.160 --> 00:18:07.400 be trained as well in your prompt so a lot of 00:18:07.400 --> 00:18:09.559 possibilities to do here that's what i'm trying 00:18:09.559 --> 00:18:14.119 to get at with you know turning any kind of text 00:18:14.119 --> 00:18:17.740 data into slides or images it allows you to it 00:18:17.740 --> 00:18:24.099 allows you to even upload images as well now 00:18:24.099 --> 00:18:26.500 it's been a it's been months since this happened 00:18:26.500 --> 00:18:31.990 to me but I still write code. Like, I mean, it's 00:18:31.990 --> 00:18:33.430 been months since the presentation happened, 00:18:33.509 --> 00:18:35.210 but I still write code. I still build the tools. 00:18:35.430 --> 00:18:39.769 I still analyze. But now I share like a human, 00:18:39.849 --> 00:18:45.269 not a dashboard. I still hate slides, but I don't 00:18:45.269 --> 00:18:49.450 fear presentations. So that is powerful, right? 00:18:50.069 --> 00:18:52.950 And I'm sure if you say this to yourself, that 00:18:52.950 --> 00:18:57.690 I hate slides, but I don't fear presentations. 00:18:58.920 --> 00:19:01.099 And only say your hate slides if you actually 00:19:01.099 --> 00:19:05.160 hate it. You don't have to unnecessarily hate. 00:19:06.220 --> 00:19:09.680 But presentations, you shouldn't be fearing them 00:19:09.680 --> 00:19:13.900 at all. I treat them like conversations now. 00:19:14.960 --> 00:19:19.880 Like therapy sessions with an audience. I speak 00:19:19.880 --> 00:19:23.460 like someone who remembers what it's like to 00:19:23.460 --> 00:19:27.660 forget. So... if you're dreading your next zoom 00:19:27.660 --> 00:19:30.319 call or google meets these days everything's 00:19:30.319 --> 00:19:33.960 virtual or maybe you're presenting to an large 00:19:33.960 --> 00:19:36.279 room full of people in person right you may be 00:19:36.279 --> 00:19:40.180 in office as well or doing your next team update 00:19:40.180 --> 00:19:45.799 or your next walk us through this moment try 00:19:45.799 --> 00:19:51.480 this don't present right it's funny i just said 00:19:51.480 --> 00:19:53.920 you're doing a presentation but i'm telling you 00:19:53.920 --> 00:19:59.299 don't present I'm telling you to connect. Forget 00:19:59.299 --> 00:20:05.559 the slides. Tell a story. Maybe even yours. Because 00:20:05.559 --> 00:20:11.059 the most unforgettable story you can tell is 00:20:11.059 --> 00:20:16.339 the one you almost forgot. Well, thanks for listening 00:20:16.339 --> 00:20:19.140 to Data and AI with Mukundan. See you in the 00:20:19.140 --> 00:20:19.480 next one.