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And I think that there are ways to stay connected to education even when the classroom becomes

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a space that is not the space you want to be in anymore.

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Welcome, welcome, welcome.

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You can probably imagine from this opening clip that today is an episode very close to

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my current life experience, as well as the life experience of many educators I know.

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That is why I'm so happy to have an expert with us today who has a bird's eye view of

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what is going on in education in all aspects, inside the classroom, in administrators' offices,

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and outside the classroom.

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I'm so glad you're here for this important conversation today with this amazing accomplished

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guest, star Saksine, Ted Speaker, author, former classroom teacher, educational consultant,

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and all around educational guru.

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Our conversation is one I wish I could have every single day at school and in every single

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school building.

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I'm so glad you're here for it.

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Thank you for joining me for another episode of Life Snacks Lesson Plan.

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I'm Rachel and I started this podcast during my 29th and last year as a high school teacher.

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The goal of my work with Life Snacks Lesson Plan, as well as my Live and Learn Patreon,

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is to create a connection where we are all teachers.

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We all have lessons and stories to share that can help others.

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I'm so fortunate to be able to extend the four walls of my previous classroom to an

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unlimited audience where we can all learn from each other.

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And my guests are some of the most inspirational people with the best stories and lessons I

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know, which is why I want to share them with you.

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Their words are something everyone should hear.

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It is my hope that you are able to take away something from each episode to apply to your

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own life, whether that be a career search, path to a more fulfilling life, or new ideas

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on current topics.

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It is my pleasure today to introduce Starstackstein to you and we were trying to figure out how

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long it's been since we've known each other.

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It's probably about 10 years.

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I don't think we've ever met in person, but we have been corresponding quite a bit back

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and forth.

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I was in one of her books back in the day and we met kind of on what was then known as

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Twitter.

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There used to be a journalism chat.

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I believe it was on Thursday nights through the journal.

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Hashtag, jurred chat, through the Journalism Education Association, which we both were

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together to talk about what we were passionate about since many of us who teach journalism

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or have taught it, our silos and our building.

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It was a really nice way to connect.

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So that's how we met each other.

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I have stayed in touch with her journey.

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talk about her background a little bit and then we'll launch into the episode today.

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So the high level cliff notes is I was a New York City public school teacher, high school

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English and journalism for about 16 years.

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In that time, I was in a few schools, but I would say that the school that I did the

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most amount of time in was where we met when I was in a school that actually focused on

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journalism.

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From there, I was an instructional coach at a different high school for a year, and then

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I was a school district leader for two years as a humanities curriculum director.

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After the leadership role, I went into full-time consulting and then COVID happened.

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And so in addition to writing my own texts, I was actually like a developmental editor

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for other folks, which was a really nice marriage because it was one of the things I loved most

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about teaching, helping writers find their voices and be clearer and sort of tell a whole

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story about compelling.

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And then from there, I was introduced to my now current business partner at Mastery Port

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Folio, where I'm the COO and we help schools with mastery learning.

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And I also now work for educators rising a part of PDK where we help states and systems

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grow their own educator pipeline.

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Yeah, that's awesome.

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And on the side, you've done a TED Talk, correct?

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You've written 16 books, you said?

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Level 17th on the horizon.

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of the classroom, having been in the classroom for 16 years and then stepping out and kind

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of looking with a bird's eye view kind of down at the whole picture of what's going on in

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education and what has changed.

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So I really value that perspective, and I'm so excited to have her here today.

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So back in the day, now we were kind of talking about it before we started recording a little

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bit, but when you were in the classroom, what is maybe a memorable moment or what you think

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fondly of when you look back at your time as a teacher?

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I taught mostly 12th graders, so they're adults.

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course of the time that I was in that position, I hadn't really worked hard to make it truly

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I'm like, if my newspaper kids could run class by themselves, why can't my AP Lit class do

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every single thing we were doing was student-led and directed.

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objectives, we were all good.

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the power of better cognition and how much it helped to improve my practice as an educator

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and as a learner, the opportunity to relook at things that I had done and really take

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So when I think about these experiences in the classroom that really make my heart grow

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a few sizes, I think about the learning conferences that I was doing with my students, how much

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I learned about them as people through those experiences and how rich those conversations

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ended up being and influencing the way class actually looked.

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And I used to look forward to my newspaper classes because there was so much excitement

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in the room.

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They were really making choices about what they wanted to be writing about or if they

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weren't writing, they were involved in some other capacity that I think that level of

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autonomy made class a lot of fun.

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feeling of contentment.

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The risks I took when I started getting rid of grades and really putting kids even in

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the co-construction of curriculum in class with me.

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So by the last year I was in class, kids were actually designing projects with me along

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the line of whatever objectives they needed to meet.

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I would give the unit plan to the kids.

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I would break them up into groups and I would say, you come up with something better, we'll

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vote on it as a class and whichever project you think is going to make the best sense

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for all of you, we will do as a class.

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everything.

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But by the end I was like, kids can, let's give up control of everything.

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I don't know, I learned a lot more that way.

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I think the repetition of seeing that work year after year, you're like, yes, this can

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work, right?

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taught polls, English and journalism as well as much as you can in fusing that structure

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of that journalism classroom and even the rubric by which we are still evaluated on

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at my school.

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It is the more autonomy you give kids, the better you're going to score.

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So it's actually the less, less they're hearing the teacher, right?

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And more the students are running the class, you actually score higher, which is encouraging.

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I really liked that.

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I did a previous episode on my AP capstone training where that really is the model that

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you're talking about is giving the students the voice and choice, you stepping to the

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side guiding them through the process.

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model and seeing it definitely is the only kids who don't get out of their desk for the

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belt are those journalism kids, they would stay an extra hour if they could by choice.

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So I love that I agree it's definitely what has kept me in the game this long.

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So when you look back, you've had a long career that has taken different paths.

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What is if you had to pick one highlight and this can be time after the classroom as well,

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something that kind of sticks out to you in your role, general role as educator because

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you are still educating, I would say my favorite thing to do now is working with teacher teams,

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like as a part of developing more nuanced assessment practices.

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So like I go into schools now and I call job embedded consulting.

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So I don't just go in and inspire, I actually go in and get my hands dirty with teams.

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I like to be in classrooms.

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So we do learning walks.

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And then we choose one or two strategies that we're going to implement to build the collective

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efficacy of a group.

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And then from there, we look at the data we collect after they've done that strategy a

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bunch of times.

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And so for me, it is extraordinarily gratifying as an instructional coach to watch teachers

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have the same kind of success I had in the classroom and see them get reinvigorated because

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it's hard to take that first step to like letting go of control and putting kids in the

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driver's seat.

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So I would say in recent years, one school in particular that I worked with for four

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years, five years, just watching their journey and the same way I would feel pride for my

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students who have done a lot of really cool things.

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Like when I see these teachers doing the amazing things that they're doing, it really brings

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me a lot of joy.

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So I love being an instructional coach.

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For me, that's the best role, whether I'm housed in a school and working with the folks

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who live in that space or I'm an outside instructional coach who comes in to support.

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I take the job pretty seriously.

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I really wish education had more funds to make these types of positions possible because

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it's so important, again, to have somebody who can look at it from the outside and come

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in and help.

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So you have achieved a lot, obviously, but I know you're not done.

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You're still in there getting your hands dirty.

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So what is an upcoming goal or two that you have in your career?

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So I would say that something I'm still working on is getting the opportunity to really promote

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these ideas about alternative assessment.

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So I'd been working with families as well to help them navigate school systems if they

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have children with special needs that require alternative assessment.

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I would say that I want to continue speaking and writing about it.

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If I had the opportunity to do another TED Talk, I did my TED Talk almost 10 years ago

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now and I think my thinking is in a very different place than it was back then.

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And I think that there's so many ways.

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I think what we need to do right now is kind of break the box on what we think traditional

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education is and start reimagining what education could be.

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about before, I think traditional educational systems are unsustainable at this point.

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And I also think that technology and life has changed enough that we have to really

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think about the way education looks now so that we could really serve our kids and also

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our educators in a way that is advantageous to everybody.

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So my TED Talk was about giving upgrades and it happens like while I was still in the classroom.

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So it's all about the journey of understanding what it feels like to be like a type A student

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myself and growing up being great obsessed myself and understanding the damage that did

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and like looking back as an adult being able to see in hindsight that that wasn't the best

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way to be in.

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I actually, as much as it looked like on paper that I was doing really well, if you would

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have asked me what I actually learned, those are two very different questions like how

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did you do and what do you know?

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challenges, it definitely helped me want to double down on giving my students the best

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So the TED Talk is really about that journey and the positive outcomes of getting rid of

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grades and shifting the way class looked for a truly student learner led environment.

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And just the amount of incredible success I had on account of it once I was able to move

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past just entering a grade into a great book.

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It's so funny that you mentioned having your son or watching your son's educational journey.

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And I know now that I have like-minded guests on my show because Michael Hernandez mentioned

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having his daughter in class and watching how she was reacting to his assignments.

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does as an educator when you see what they're doing at home or you can really hear them

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talking about what they're doing in school, it really does kind of open your eyes to why

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are we doing it this way and wanting to-

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aware of what I was preaching, what I do preach.

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he knew kids out there had me as a teacher doing these very alternative things.

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them which didn't work for him.

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He's a bright kid.

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have been driving his own like almost like a gamified in some way where he was moving

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at his own pace, choosing what he was doing.

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I think that would have served him a lot better.

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into resources to get that for them.

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Do you hear that from other educators since you talked to a lot of them that that's one

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of the frustrations?

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I know it's one of mine is that I have had all this amazing training and have been able

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to see the workings of how the journalism classroom works.

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And just like you said, have wanted to apply it.

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But I can only do that myself.

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I can talk to other colleagues about that.

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And I certainly have colleagues who've been capstone trained and have seen the power that

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it can transform a classroom.

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I did a whole episode on my evaluation this year with a brand new assistant principal.

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And she's like, what do you do to get kids to do this?

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And I was like, and I think one of the frustrations is that you can only make so much of a difference.

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turned upside down at some point.

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ask me the same question, like, how do you get kids to be so engaged and so autonomous?

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And I'm like, I don't know that I can take credit for that.

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I think it's just a matter of setting up a space where their natural curiosity is valued

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and providing opportunities for them to explore in a way that's going to be meaningful to

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them and having the freedom from my leaders to do those things because I'm trusted as

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a professional.

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that that was the reason I went into leadership.

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People kept telling me, you will have the opportunity to not just influence the 150 kids you have

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in your own classroom throughout the day, but you'll be influencing all of the kids

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in the classrooms that you're helping the teachers with.

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Like the more rooms that I'm in, the more teachers I'm supporting, the more kids that

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I'm having an impact on.

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And I think that that's really been a driving force is like just helping people know that

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there are alternatives.

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Like sometimes you just don't know what you don't know.

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And I'm not saying that you have to do it my way or, but there's one right way to do

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I think on the contrary, I think that there are dozens of right ways to do it.

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a culture and an environment that that can thrive in.

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And I think that that has to do also with us being really aware.

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I've always been a reader.

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for not staying informed about really cool things that are happening in different spaces.

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Maybe two decades ago, that could have been something that we said was more challenging,

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like books take a lot longer to come out than a blog post.

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live inside of that, like, like this is what I'm saying I'm doing.

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This is what I'm actually doing.

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And this is what I'm helping people to do.

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And those three things completely align.

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It's a lot easier to get buy in when you could speak from your own personal experience of

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what worked and almost sometimes more importantly, what didn't work and what you learned from

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that to not make those mistakes again.

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I think and it goes back to kind of what you said before is that takes time.

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that kind of change in your classroom.

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Other teachers I think are coming a lot more prepared than maybe we did.

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To those of you who have followed me for a while, you know that I value mental and physical

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wellness.

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Personally, I've worked with a few different coaches over the years and even been one myself.

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If you are looking for education and support in your own wellness journey, I would love

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to invite you to the wellness community I am currently in that keeps me accountable daily

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is led by my coach, Megan Grimord, who is a certified trainer and nutrition coach.

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She offers lots of education and support for your wellness journey.

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Coach Megan is a busy mom like me who works full time, so I appreciate her practicality

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mixed with some tough love to keep me going.

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During our break time, I usually stop to answer a question or two from the ask the teacher

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anything.

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You can submit these on our website at life's next lesson plan dot com or just DM me on social

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media if you have questions.

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I really have enjoyed answering these.

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So today, first one is how do you choose the guests you feature on your podcast?

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Now when I started this kind of in my mind with the topic of my podcast being life's

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next lesson plan, I wanted my guests to somehow be related to education and I'm not a famous

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celebrity so I only have access to a certain group of people.

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But as I've mentioned many times before, the stories that I have collected over 29 years

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as an educator I think are so powerful and meant to be shared.

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So I started by choosing former educators first and then former students of mine and that

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has kind of morphed a little bit into anybody who I think would have an important lesson

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that I think my audience would enjoy.

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And so while a lot of my guests still are related to education in some way, all of my

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guests I think are teachers and storytellers in their own right.

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And so I choose people who I think have a message to share that I feel is helpful and

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important and hopefully that you agree as well.

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You can always suggest topics for future episodes as well as guests on our website as well.

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Second question is what inspired you to create life's next lesson plan during your final

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year of teaching?

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So some days I'm like, why are you doing this to yourself?

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Because I'm teaching full time and commuting two hours a day and recording three episodes

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a week.

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But it's a blessing, definitely.

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The biggest thing to me that I have heard from people who have left the classroom is

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is a really rough transition giving up your identity, especially after almost three decades.

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And this has allowed me, even though I'm still in the classroom right now, to stay connected

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and will allow me to stay connected to education in some way.

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Although my next role, which I don't know yet, might as well.

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I'm not sure what I'll be doing yet.

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And so this is going to be a way to still be involved in education and have conversations

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about education and still teach in some way and have guests who can teach.

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As you can tell in this episode today, wow, there are so many important conversations

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surrounding education that need to be heard.

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And so I think it's going to help bridge that transition out of the classroom.

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And if I'm being honest, it has been a nice distraction.

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I can't get bogged down on day to day things at school because I have to promote the podcast.

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I have to record the podcast.

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I have to reach out to people about sponsoring the podcast.

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So it's definitely been hectic, but it's been a great diversion as well.

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Keep those questions coming.

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I really enjoy answering them.

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We are back from our break and Star is ready to give us her lesson.

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It's just one small snippet from her most recent book.

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I think this will really speak to people who are kind of in the mindset that I have been

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in education, just like what else is out there.

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And she has an entire book.

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She's an expert, so we're going to let her explain a little bit about that.

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So I think that all of us are really committed to making an impact, that's why we go into

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education.

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And I think that there are ways to stay connected to education, even when the classroom becomes

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a space that is not the space you want to be in anymore, which is how making an impact

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outside the classroom was kind of born.

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When everybody was starting to think that maybe it was time to walk away for a little

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bit, I kind of think of it as like a love letter.

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So what I would recommend is if you're at that place where you really feel like I need

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something different, this isn't working for me.

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What do you love most about it?

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Take some time to brainstorm and really write down the things that you love that you want

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to keep doing and then maybe have that other list on the other side of things that make

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your job something you don't enjoy doing.

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The next part that I talk about is thinking about your resume and the way that you communicate

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with the world about what you do.

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So once you have determined the thing that you're most passionate about, the things you

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want to do, the things you don't want to do, the next step is revising your resume to really

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support and build up those particular skill sets that you do really well.

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I think that it's okay in a resume to pick and choose what experience you put on there

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and determine what actions and what information is really going to be most advantageous.

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I'm sure all of you have had the experience of applying for things now where you don't

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even get a call back.

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It's like total ghosting.

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You don't even get acknowledgments of the fact that you submitted a resume.

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So I think it's really important to make yourself stand out.

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you to your next opportunity.

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loopholes like that was my superpower.

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And I think that as you're on this journey outside of the classroom, you need to think

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about how broad you want to spread your net in terms of how close you want to be to a

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traditional school or if it's like adjacent education in that like, all right, I don't

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want to be in the classroom, but maybe I want to go back to get my certificate in counseling

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or change the subject area that I'm teaching in or become a leader or an instructional

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coach, I mean, there are tons of roles inside of a school that aren't classroom teachers.

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But if you want to leave the traditional environment altogether, and tech is one really easy way

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to do that, I'm sure you use tools in the classroom now and you've built relationships

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with the providers of said tools, right?

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What I would do is exploit those relationships.

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That's why we build them so that when it comes to a point where you need to ask for something,

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the person knows you well enough, knows your skillset well enough, and you could feel comfortable

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to say, hey, can you make an introduction?

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Do you think there could be a good synergy here?

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LinkedIn is like of all the social media platforms, I would say that LinkedIn is probably the best

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one to be on for this particular lesson on how to build your career pathway, because

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that's really where you're going to network if you're not getting to local conferences

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or national conferences.

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I would say still try to present in that passion area that you're really interested in spending

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time with, because you could also go into consulting, which I write about in the book

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as well, how you can be a consultant, get speaking gigs, and that's still very much

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education work.

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Although I don't work with a school system anymore, I work with many school systems.

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I have the opportunity to do a lot of different work, and I think if you're a person who loves

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the excitement of a classroom because every day is different and you're interacting with

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a lot of different things, consulting could be a real answer, because every school system

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that you come into is going to be very different.

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You have to insert yourself in a way that you have to be a good listener, you have to

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build really good relationships, you have to make yourself invaluable to the team you're

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working with so that they want you to come back again.

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Most importantly, you have to make the professional learning useful to them in a way where you

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become indispensable.

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You don't ever want to be that person where they're like, yeah, it's a repeaty today,

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I don't want that.

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You want to walk into a school and the teachers see you waiting in the lobby and they get

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excited about the fact that you're going to be working with them.

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I think that's another thing.

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You might not be aware that coaching outside is a real thing, and you don't even have to

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travel the way that you used to now that the world is accustomed to using virtual environments.

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Here are my quick tips.

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Be aware of who you're talking to.

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Don't be afraid to start seeking out things that don't seem like a natural fit.

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Maybe you love writing curriculum.

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So reach out to a company that writes curriculum, maybe not in textbooks, because I mean, in

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my humble opinion, people shouldn't spend so much money on textbooks, but standards are

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always changing and there's always realignment opportunities.

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So thinking about places where content is being created, there are so many jobs in content

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creation now.

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Maybe you love social media.

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You want to be a brand ambassador for something and you want to spend time doing that.

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So really what it is is taking time to do some research on all the possibilities of

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what's out there.

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That's specifically what my book really talks about.

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It talks about 10 different chapters on different things you could be doing if you don't want

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to be in the classroom and still engaged in education in a way where you're still touching

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student lives and you're still touching teacher lives too, if that's something that's important

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to you.

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And from there, it's just about knowing when to say yes.

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Yes, awesome.

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Can you just say the title of that book one more time for us?

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Yes, ma'am.

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It's making an impact outside the classroom, a complete guide to exciting job possibilities

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for educators.

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Okay.

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And I will link that in the show notes for everybody.

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And can you give us a little preview of what you're working on for your next book or is

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it a secret?

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No, it's not a secret at all.

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So we have one book, me and three amazing women have a book coming out at the end of

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February called Solving School Challenges, the Everything Guide to School, like it's

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a leadership book that takes every problem that is prominent in schools right now and

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offers solutions that we actually got from people who are doing it.

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So it is both elevating and celebrating things that are working all over the country while

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also helping people who don't have those solutions yet to get those.

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So like chapter one is all about retention and how to get teachers and leaders and staff

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to stay in different things schools have done successfully to keep teachers happy in the

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positions they're in, just as one example.

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And that's really exciting.

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That comes out on February 28th.

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And then the book that I'm working on right now with Michael McDowell is like an action

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playbook in the moment moves with assessment.

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So like I see something happening, I get this data and this is what I can do to make sure

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kids get what they need because we've learned that although teachers are really good at

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collecting data, they aren't always good at doing things with the data they collect.

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So that's so true.

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Yes.

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Wow.

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Well, so many pieces of helpful advice today and hopefully you'll see some book sales from

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the listeners because I know I want to dig in, especially to the book you just talked

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about in your lesson today.

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I always appreciate having these deep conversations about, you know, and education is so important

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and change in education is so important.

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So I really appreciate you taking the time to speak with me and allow your message to

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spread a little bit wider today.

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Thanks so much Rachel.

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This was fun.

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I'm so glad that I could introduce you to Star today and her broad experience.

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She's someone whose philosophy of education really aligns with mine and the fact that

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we've never met in person serves as a powerful reminder to use social media and networking

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to find those like-minded people to connect with.

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Be sure to check out all of her amazing work and opportunities for learning in the show

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notes.

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As always, thanks for listening.

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We'll see you next time.