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When I talk contemporary issues years ago, I always started the lesson all for what are

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the values of our society and what do you value.

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And the students would write things, a brief summary of that, what they thought our society

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valued and what they value.

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And then we'd look at all of the issues we talk about through that lens.

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And the main thing I tried to point them toward is that what you think is the most important

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thing to spend your time on or your money on is what you value.

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And I've always valued being around my family and travel.

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That's what we, with my kids, we went to dozens of national parks.

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We toured all around the country.

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Went to Europe.

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I studied in Europe for a while.

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You know, I get a chance, you know, me, I'm heading off somewhere to travel.

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Hello and welcome back to Life's Next Lesson Plan podcast where I continue to pave my post

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education path after three decades as an English teacher.

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One thing I hear often from retired educators is that the loss of identity is difficult,

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especially for those of us who've been teachers our entire adult lives.

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This podcast is a way for me to explore a new adventure while also staying rooted in

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my education background by putting some of what I taught as a journalism teacher to the

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test.

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At the same time, my goal is to connect with others looking to take their next steps in

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life, whether that be personal or career related.

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To bridge my transition out of education, you'll find that this podcast follows a similar

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structure to the classroom.

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Twice a month, I'll have solo episodes and twice a month, I'll have a guest with me

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so we can learn together.

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Each podcast will have a brief lecture or lesson followed by an activity to engage you

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in the episode, along with some optional homework.

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This will remind me of my school days where some students thought homework was an option.

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It is my hope that by engaging in each lesson and completing the homework, you will learn

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something new but also uncover ideas for your Life's Next Lesson Plan, however you

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want that to look.

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This podcast is not just for educators or midlifers though.

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The ideas can apply at any stage of life for anyone searching to feel more fulfilled.

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And with that said, let's get to today's guest.

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So today we're fortunate enough to have someone who's been in education definitely longer

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than me but maybe not by much.

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I'll let him explain a little bit of his background and then we will get into our connection and

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how we know each other.

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So it is my pleasure to introduce to the podcast today Mr. Tony Engel.

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So Mr. Engel, can you share your background with us?

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Well, thanks for having me Rachel.

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I really appreciate it.

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Yeah, I started teaching in the early 1990s taught for nearly 30 years.

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Most of the here at Homestead High School taught world history and criminal justice.

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Start out teaching English like you did but got out of the department shortly before you

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got here and use that as a stepping stone to as you know my passion to get into traveling

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and one of my world history students to see the places we talked about.

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So I began to play in trips with them, kind of got into that by working with my mentor

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at the time and just became a passion for me.

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That's so awesome.

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Yeah, and a lot of, did you ever add up how many kids you took traveling?

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Yeah, just close to 800.

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I actually have close to 800 students.

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And then you couple that with how many students you actually taught over 30 years.

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It's a lot of names.

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That's what I think.

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I give myself a little bit of grace not remembering names as well as I used to.

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I actually went back and put them all on a spreadsheet because that's how I found it.

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You know what I have to do this sometimes.

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I went back through all the old lists.

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So I know personally myself, obviously we met at Homestead and then we traveled together

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to six countries and I remember it was 42 students on that trip.

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And I definitely remember one moment that stood out to me on that trip.

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In my mind I imagine like a Spider-Man where we had a student trying to scale the outside

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of a hotel.

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Was it in Switzerland?

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It was in Switzerland.

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You and I were walking across to a beach.

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We were going to check out a beach.

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And we looked back and this is the lady stretching the outside of her balcony trying to get to

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her friend's balcony.

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That definitely stands out to me.

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And the student in Paris who met up with a Macquan family and this is before WhatsApp

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and all the fancy ways to communicate by phone.

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I had forgotten that on that trip.

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Oh yeah, that's the one that I could not find her for hours.

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And I think it was you who ended up sitting in the subway or something and showed up.

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I've got to go back to the hotel and call her parent.

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And so I took the subway back and when I got off the train there she was sitting on

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the bench at our stop.

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And she goes, I didn't know how to get to the hotel from here.

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But I knew this was our stop.

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And I can remember telling her, I don't know if I want to hug you right now or scream at

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But I was like, I'm just so glad to see you.

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Yes, those are the two that stand out for me.

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So that was memorable.

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I'm sure you have a lot of other funny travel stories.

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Do you have any funny classroom stories?

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Not just being a teacher, it's always a million that you could have.

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One of the funniest and I told when I retired was we used to have a home at class here at

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And a young lady came back to me, her sophomore, junior, had her as a freshman for World History.

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And great kid, she came back and she was in foods and she came back.

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So Mr. Engel, we made cheesecake today in Home Act.

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And I just wanted to bring you one.

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It's so good.

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And so she brought it to me and she walked over.

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She was, do you like ovarian cheesecake?

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I tried not to laugh and I said, you mean bavarian?

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She was, oh yeah, then she got beet red and I laughed too.

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It was pretty humorous.

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Those are the...

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No sophomore girls or three girls on a date.

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She probably hasn't forgotten this.

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I'm sure she has it right.

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Sure she gets shocked that she's such a thing.

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Well for all of the high moments and positives in teaching, there always comes a time where

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you contemplate like, am I ready to go, is it my time to leave education?

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So do you remember going through that in your own mind?

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I do.

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And as you know, I still love to sub.

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I still love to teach.

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So I've never quite totally left education, but I knew it was time for me to quit teaching

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full time in 2018.

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My daughter took a job.

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She was going, she was asked to manage a number of pharmacies on the West Coast.

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And she has four children and as you know, I'm passionate about my grandchildren.

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And so I knew that I wanted the time to be able to see them, whatever possible.

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So at that point I realized it's time for me to look at it.

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I reached that retirement age where I could get my step out of here with my pension and

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be able to travel, had the ability to do so.

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So I thought, okay, it's time to leave and I can see my grandkids whenever I want, but

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yet I can still, that's the nice thing about a profession.

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If we want to still teach, we can come back.

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But we develop so many skills.

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There's so many other things we can do.

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I'm doing all kinds of other things as you and I have talked about over the years.

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And government and voting and things like that.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Yeah, and you can always sub.

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And I love to sub for you and the people in the building that come back and see the people

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who I know, all you young people.

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I think that is kind of a nice fallback that you know, the both the skills that you have

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and there's always a demand for people who are comfortable in a classroom, right?

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And comfortable with kids.

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You have to communicate and connect with people.

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Right, right, absolutely.

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So when you do come back and sub compared to when you started teaching, what are some

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of the changes that you see in today's classrooms?

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Well, as you know, the big thing is the telephone.

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We've seen it with some districts wanting to pass ordinances that limit the phones being

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in the school.

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I love something for a district nearby that has that.

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But mainly it's just trying to keep the kids' attention span away from that phone.

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Basically, most of the teachers are pretty good about having a great lesson plan or procedure

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in place.

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But there are some that's like, well, the kids want to have their phone out and I'm like,

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no, I can't.

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I can't do that.

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So it's one of those things you have to balance.

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That's the biggest thing.

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I've seen.

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Yeah, I'm definitely.

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I think some of the initiatives even at Homestead in the last year or two have centered on reading

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the anxious generation just about how it's affecting their brains and their intentions.

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Because as you plan lessons, you have to keep that in mind too.

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But I would agree that is a huge change.

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Yeah, that's the biggest change.

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Even when I started, phones were just coming out and they definitely weren't in classrooms

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or in schools.

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So yeah, huge, huge difference.

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So when you were teaching, do you remember there being a person or group of people that

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you looked up to in your profession?

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Well, I was very fortunate.

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I joined a department that had six or seven people who started about the same time I did.

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But I was very fortunate because when I was, I did my, my education degree, Marquette University,

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and I was placed with Brooke Brown.

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And everyone knows Brooke Brown, whoever went to this building.

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Brooke is a legend.

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Everyone I think looked up to Brooke.

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I mean, and still do with anyone who's still around and knows it.

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And he was just the perfect mentor.

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We had the same philosophy about life in general.

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We have very similar personalities, the same interests.

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We both looked history, of course.

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Teaching history, we both love to travel.

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As a matter of fact, he's the one who kind of started these trips with students here in

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homes ten years, though decades ago.

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He was on the trip that I was on.

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Oh, that's right.

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So I kept inviting him back with me once he retired.

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I was fortunate enough to do that.

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You know how great a chaperone he is.

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And despite the fact you'd been out here for eight or 10 years by the time you traveled

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with him, you know, he still makes connections with students.

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And we were both at the same way.

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And what's kind of funny is after I'd been teaching here 10 or 15 years, I had a parent

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teacher conference and I had some parents who came to the conference and they were talking

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about, oh, you're the young Mr. Brown.

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And I was like, what?

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Fault in a compliment.

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That's what I thought.

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Exactly what I thought.

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And they said, well, at our dinner table, we're the first Mr. Brown as the old Mr.

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Engle and you as the young Mr. Brown.

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Who are so much alike and he can talk about how they enjoy having both of you.

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And all three of their kids ended up going on a trip with me.

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They're all this child who went on a trip with Brooke.

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And so, you know, it's kind of funny.

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So he was my mentor that I've always got along with.

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Matter of fact, he will be coming over Thursday for Thanksgiving dinner.

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Oh, no, that's perfect.

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It is why I'm coming Thanksgiving dinner with him.

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He's still eating that close bone.

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I'd love to have him on the show too in the future.

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He would be a great, yes.

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Yeah, he would because as you said, a lot of people know him.

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I'll write it by on the...

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Okay, thank you.

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Yeah, he's the ultimate when you say his name, especially in this area, right?

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Like everybody knows him.

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He was the legend.

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So when you kind of knew, obviously, because you wanted more flexibility to be with your

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grandkids and see your own kids, obviously, what were some of the goals maybe that went

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along with that when you were envisioning your time after retirement?

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Well, you know, I was thinking about this, how I've kind of plotted what I was going

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I always started to bring up two different issues years ago.

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I always started the lesson of what are the values of our society and what you value.

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And the students would write things, a brief summary of that, what they thought our society

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value and what they value.

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And then we'd look at all of the issues we talked about through that lens.

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And the main thing I tried to point them toward is that what you think is the most

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important things to spend your time on or your money on is what you value.

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And I've always valued being around my family and travel.

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That's what we, with my kids, we went to dozens

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of national parks, we toured all around the country.

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Went to Europe, my son did a study in Europe for a while.

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You know, first I get a chance, you know, me,

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I'm heading off somewhere to travel.

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I ended every one of my classes with the phrase,

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have lots of great adventures.

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As students walked out the door, you heard me say that

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before to the kids.

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And, you know, just trying something new.

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And so I thought I want to take this opportunity to travel

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and whatever possible, travel with my grandkids and my kids.

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So that was my focus.

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Where do I want to go?

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What things are worth my time?

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And who do I want to do it with?

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This is almost exactly what I talked about

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in the first episode of the podcast.

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Yeah, that's just what you value.

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I've heard it yet.

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No, no, it's okay, it just came out today.

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So you're excused.

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Okay.

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But yeah, that's just kind of like when you envision,

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when you have time and life slows down a little bit

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and you can pick and choose what you want to do.

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That's the exact word I used was your value.

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Yeah.

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You know, you value your time, right?

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And then how you spend that time.

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So, okay, that resonates with me.

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I'm right on track.

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So kind of along with that,

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if you could give listeners of any age,

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a piece of life advice about kind of creating their life

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on their own terms, would it go along with kind of

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what you just said or along those lines

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or something different?

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Yeah, I mean, I've always said,

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I wrote an every year book the kid gave me,

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you know, have lots of great adventures.

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I know, adventure doesn't have to be a long thought out trip.

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It doesn't have to be something that's going to make,

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you know, some newsworthy event.

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Adventure is just something new.

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Try something new.

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Just, you know, I would tell my students,

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I usually get that spilled in my freshman,

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the very first day.

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Said, you were on a new journey now.

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And you may not have tried out for a play before.

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You may not have gone to sporting events before.

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You may not have done any of these clubs before.

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Explore those, try them, see which ones you like,

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which ones you don't.

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And, you know, I tried to raise my kids that way.

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I tried to expose them to as many things as possible,

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you know, and a lot of them didn't take.

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My son was not a sports guy.

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He did not want to do sports, but he loved,

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he became very passionate about kayaking.

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And so he kayaks all over the world, you know,

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he knows about his kayaking journeys and that finally took.

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I finally took in kayaking his sophomore year here.

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And he loved it and became passionate about it.

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And I think that's what I tried to teach the students,

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is just keep trying something.

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You can find something you like.

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And the more adventures you have.

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And I said, and it makes you a more interesting person.

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I said, the more experiences you have,

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the more exposure, various backgrounds,

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the more interesting you are.

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You make connections with people through that.

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Yeah, definitely.

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It's interesting as I've been trying to watch my budget,

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knowing my decision, and then also knowing

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my daughter's going to college after this year.

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We've been doing a lot of just local trips,

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like longer weekend trips.

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And that has been actually, first of all, so eye opening,

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that there are so many things to do, so close to home.

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Yes.

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And just thinking like, I don't have to spend all this money

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or even get on a plane to experience, like you said,

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new things and meet new people and be like,

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I want to come back here, like Dubuque, Iowa.

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Who knew?

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Dubuques and Great City, I want to know, yes.

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I never would have thought, and we were coming back

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on the way home from Galena, you know?

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And I need to go back there.

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And I would have not have explored that

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had I not done all these recent nearby trips.

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That's what you mentioned,

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because I always, whenever I travel,

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I love to get up, as you know, super early

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and go out for a run or walk around the areas I'm in

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and just explore them.

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I mean, I do research like crazy before I get there.

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But I also like to see what the city's like

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or the community's like in the morning.

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And we were just talking to an English teacher

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before he came down.

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And I had done that in Indianapolis,

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so he'd been in the city.

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And I'd found three or four really great spots in the city.

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And he was commenting, but who knew

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someone could make Indianapolis so exciting?

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Exactly, yeah.

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I mean, it's just gonna be a little situation.

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You just explore, go out there

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and try to find something new to do.

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And, and, yeah, there's a lot of hidden gems

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that are nearby.

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Absolutely.

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It's been fun.

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Wherever you go.

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Yeah, exactly.

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So that kind of brings us very easily actually

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into your lesson that you're going to teach today,

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which involves travel.

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And you're gonna offer some travel hacks, some tips.

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I'm gonna throw.

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Okay, awesome.

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So let's hear what you have for us for your lesson today.

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Well, you're gonna have a link.

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So share with the podcast, right?

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And it's basically have a Google map

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to get yourself ready to travel.

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I do this every time I travel.

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People know I'm kind of ridiculous with it.

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But I've done it for five or six sets of parents

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who's kids traveled with me in the past.

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I even prepared for my Europe trips

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when I would take students.

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I've done it for a couple of our former colleagues

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who have traveled.

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One went over to France for the Women's World Cup

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a few years ago with his wife.

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And I prepared Google maps for them

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for the city's really gonna watch matches

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and things that they shouldn't see and do

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where they should stay, where they should eat.

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And so it's basically trying to give yourself

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the chance to have a handy reference guide

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instead of carrying around an atlas with you.

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So that way you can just look on your phone

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or your iPad or whatever you carry around.

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And find a way around the city.

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That's awesome.

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Yeah, I will definitely have a link to his

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step-by-step guide that will be in the show notes.

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And then in there, you have linked some slides.

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Yes.

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Right, okay.

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And the slides will help them with what aspect?

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Well, once they're ready to prepare the map,

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it will give them, it will show them exactly

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what they need to click on in order to add sites, restaurants,

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anything of interest to them that they want to put on there.

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And that's what I help people,

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I help people prepare these maps as well.

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When I sat down with them and said,

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you know, you decide what you want to put in.

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And that's kind of where I wanted to start with this,

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is the first thing is, what's your objective?

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Either where do you want to go?

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Who do you want to travel with?

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Budget's very important as well.

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You know, keep that in mind as well.

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And then the last thing is, decide what type of traveler you are.

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Are you someone who's out for vacation,

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who wants to just kick back and maybe my Google slides

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aren't quite like that for those type of people,

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because I don't travel like that very often.

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I balance it because my wife is.

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So we balance when I try to find spots where we can vacation.

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But I'm more the explorer.

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I like to actually have that adventure and travel.

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So if someone picks a city or a state,

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and then they know a couple maybe landmarks that they want to go to,

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it will help them sort of navigate paths or doesn't work.

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Absolutely.

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Yes.

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But that's the second thing you will notice if you go through my slide.

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The second one is research.

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And the research is, if you decide what to travel with groups,

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you know, the Rick Steves type thing or the Rhodes scholar,

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I love Rhodes scholar.

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It can be Globus, it can be National Geographic,

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Expeditions, there are lots of great different companies out there

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that leak great trips.

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If that's where you travel, you know, look through all those options

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and see what's interest you.

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Once you've chosen one, you know, look at the costs,

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see if it's feasible.

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And then don't just stick with what they have down as their itinerary.

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Research those places.

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And then step two, I have, you know, it's under independent travel,

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is read a variety of guidebooks.

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I love the DKI witness books.

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I think they do a wonderful job because I'm a history teacher.

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They start with the history of every little.

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So that's always, you know, the selling point for me.

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Oh, history there.

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But then, you know, the photos and all the others that are out there,

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the Rick Steves guys books, all those other things.

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Do your research and then compile a list.

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And if you're through, think about, like I said, what are you value?

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I'm a history guy.

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I love museums.

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You know, me, I love the art museum, the history museums.

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And I, so I always make sure those are on there.

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You know, something that I love to go to the, where I can get a view over the town.

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So I love to climb and get a, a vista.

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I want to look out over the city and see the rooftops.

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We're sitting here at that Eiffel Tower.

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You know, I just took the grandkids up there two years ago, you know,

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they loved going up there and looking out over Paris.

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And then I took them up to Montmartre, probably one of them.

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And as the sunset, looking out over the city, as the lights come on at night.

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You know, I love to look for those.

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I put vistas.

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Restaurants that I've been to the past or that I've read about or I've seen reviews on

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phone.

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We're trying that one out this night.

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So I have that as kind of a list I compile as I go through.

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And so you get all that done.

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Oh, and then online sites as well.

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There's all kind of, you know, sometimes you go to a TripAdvisor, but sometimes there'll

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be social media stuff.

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I found a wonderful called Secret London and they have really great just out of the way

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places in London was really unique spins that you would never think of going to.

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And so, and I found those secret cities, different sites on social media that I really enjoy

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and finding different places that go to these different towns and things.

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So I do that as my home.

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You know, as a teacher, you never really have to have that background knowledge.

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You have to be prepared for anything.

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So, so I started there.

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And then I guess, you know, we talked about having a homework assignment for people as

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you can see on people go to the link.

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They'll see that then prepare a Google map.

497
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I show you how to put these onto a map.

498
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,800
And what's great is that they're all their fingertips.

499
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,800
And you can see is this within reach?

500
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:11,800
Is this possible?

501
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,800
Is it too far from me to get to?

502
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,800
It's going to be too time consuming.

503
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,800
It's a total way and you can kind of decide that as you go through.

504
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,800
And maybe it's something you say for a later trip.

505
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,800
Or a different day.

506
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:24,800
Yeah, okay.

507
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:26,800
But you can schedule a trip that way.

508
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:32,800
But then, you know, I break it down and I tell them how to create the map as if they

509
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,800
go through this on your website on their link.

510
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,800
And then you can layer it.

511
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,800
And like I'm going on a cruise down the Rhone River in April.

512
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,800
And we're going to start it having on in France.

513
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,800
And so I've broken it on my sickness from the cruise.

514
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:49,800
We can city stop.

515
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,800
But I put a link in the bottom of this of Amsterdam.

516
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:54,800
If you look at the Amsterdam app, I've got sites.

517
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:59,800
You know, Dan Frank House and a couple of churches and other places I love in Amsterdam.

518
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,800
But then I've got, you know, yellow for restaurants that I love in Amsterdam.

519
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,800
I've got, I think I have a list of hotels there.

520
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,800
And I also put a list of walks.

521
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,800
There's a, I put walks on mine that I enjoy.

522
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,800
There's this one region, you know, walking along the canals of Amsterdam.

523
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:14,800
It's hard to beat.

524
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,800
So a couple of my favorite little streets that I've five or six or seven streets walk.

525
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:19,800
I think it's, you know.

526
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,800
As long as you're watching out bikers.

527
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:22,800
Yeah.

528
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:23,800
I remember that.

529
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:24,800
I remember that as well.

530
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:25,800
Yeah.

531
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:26,800
Since they're ugly.

532
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:27,800
Head on a swivel.

533
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,800
The streets that would cluelessly walk out.

534
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,800
They were still a little tired when we got to.

535
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:32,800
Yeah.

536
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:33,800
That's true.

537
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:34,800
That's true.

538
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:35,800
Yeah.

539
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,800
So that's what I, that's kind of what I have down here.

540
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:42,800
And I'm like, I told you before, what's nice is that then we're over there and you're like,

541
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:47,800
okay, you come up out of a subway like, okay, how do, where is the Anne Frank's house from

542
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:48,800
here?

543
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:49,800
Pull up your phone.

544
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:50,800
Boom.

545
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:51,800
There's your, okay, it's this way.

546
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:52,800
And you know, you can get there right away.

547
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:53,800
By just pulling up the map.

548
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,300
And so it's very handy tool to have once you're there as well.

549
00:25:57,300 --> 00:25:58,800
Did you teach this to yourself?

550
00:25:58,800 --> 00:25:59,800
I did.

551
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:00,800
Oh, look at you.

552
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:01,800
That's awesome.

553
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:02,800
I know I love maps.

554
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,800
I'm kind of a thing, an industry teacher and stuff.

555
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:07,800
But.

556
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:08,800
Yeah.

557
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:09,800
I really like that.

558
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,320
And now that, now that you say you kind of have your top priorities of what you want

559
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:17,800
to do when you're on a trip and mine always involves water.

560
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:18,800
Yeah.

561
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:23,500
So like just last weekend we were driving up to Western Michigan to see my Goddaughter

562
00:26:23,500 --> 00:26:24,800
perform in a play.

563
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:29,640
And of course it was like, okay, if we hug the coastline, you know, or where are the places

564
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,800
that we can stop where there's water and walk in the sand.

565
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:33,800
And yeah.

566
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:34,800
So that's like one of the things.

567
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:40,120
So I guess I never thought about that that is kind of how I prioritize stops and places

568
00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:41,120
that you go.

569
00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:42,240
And that's what's nice about the map.

570
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:47,680
You can actually, I will have some of my maps will have read for the, for the sites that

571
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:53,520
are like my top five or 10 and then there'll be other sites secondary.

572
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:58,600
And then there's a text box you can create an edit box and you, you can hit the little

573
00:26:58,600 --> 00:26:59,600
edit button.

574
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:00,600
I show you how to do that on there as well.

575
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,800
But then you can type in what you want to see there.

576
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:09,080
For example, when we were in Amsterdam, I think we went to the Rijksmuseum and I could

577
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,160
put the top 10 things I want to see in the Rijksmuseum.

578
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,040
Make sure I see this as well.

579
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:14,760
Even break it down in a certain place.

580
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:15,760
Right.

581
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:16,760
Exactly.

582
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:21,960
So I have the point of interest, but then I can remind myself, oh yeah, make sure you

583
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,800
go see this while you're in there.

584
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,280
So definitely love about it.

585
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:26,280
Right.

586
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:27,280
Exactly.

587
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:28,280
Yeah.

588
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:29,280
Wow.

589
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:30,680
You could have definitely had another career or still could as a travel agent.

590
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:31,680
Right.

591
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,360
Like, I can do that quite a bit on it.

592
00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:35,360
Freelancing.

593
00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:36,360
Yes.

594
00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:37,360
Okay.

595
00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:42,640
Well, I will definitely post all of that for people who want to create their own and

596
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,440
dabble around and that that's great.

597
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,720
I'm going to be practicing with that myself.

598
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:47,720
As well.

599
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:54,600
So last before we have you leave, where are your next upcoming trips that you're most

600
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:55,600
excited about?

601
00:27:55,600 --> 00:28:00,760
I'm going to get, I just thought of something as you're, you talked about memories.

602
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:01,760
Yeah.

603
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,720
So I have to tell you one memory for my trips that always stand out.

604
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:05,720
Yeah.

605
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:06,720
You talked about earlier.

606
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:12,400
So back in 2006, I had a group of 45, 47 students, so rather large group.

607
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:13,400
We went to Versailles.

608
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:14,400
Okay.

609
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,960
Versailles and they're like, sir, your group is too big.

610
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,360
We need to break you into two groups.

611
00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:20,160
And I said, okay, that's fine.

612
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:25,480
So the first group went out and they said, sir, we have three Americans who want the

613
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,960
English tour, which can they join your group?

614
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,800
And I said, sure, no problem.

615
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:30,880
I don't mind.

616
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:37,080
And so they bring in the group and I look around, do a double take and it's Martha Stewart

617
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:38,600
and two trades.

618
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,600
So I toured Versailles with Martha Stewart.

619
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:41,600
What?

620
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:42,600
That is a great tour.

621
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:48,200
Oh, at first I thought you were going to say that they mistook you for the tour guide.

622
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:49,200
Oh, no.

623
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,800
And then they were like waiting for you to give them all a spiel.

624
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:53,800
Yes.

625
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,520
Oh, wow, did you speak with her?

626
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:56,520
She was great.

627
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:57,520
I didn't talk to her.

628
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,800
I talked to her and just said, hi, you know, and told her who we were in our group.

629
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:02,800
And that was it.

630
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,120
But the students would end up in the desk about having pictures stateful with her.

631
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:07,120
And she was fantastic.

632
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:11,560
She was like, yeah, but let's do it when we're off somewhere where people don't see it happening

633
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,520
because people don't know who I am.

634
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:14,520
So she was really gracious.

635
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:15,520
Oh, wow.

636
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:16,520
Fantastic.

637
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,000
So yeah, that was pretty wild.

638
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,880
Oh my gosh, that is wild.

639
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,840
Too bad Snoop Dogg, her new sidekick, all of a sudden.

640
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,280
That made him really ready.

641
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,560
Okay, so what's coming up?

642
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:35,480
Well, I just got back from a trip to just last Monday, from a trip to Arizona, Nevada,

643
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:40,360
playing golf down there with one of our fellow retirees.

644
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:46,000
And we have a trip to Reno, Nevada coming up in December.

645
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,280
That's where my daughter now is.

646
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,040
And so, you know, we're going out, spending time at the bank.

647
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:54,640
And then I've got a Google map of the Reno area of things that we have to do.

648
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,960
And by the way, there's a great auto museum there.

649
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:57,960
Oh.

650
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:02,200
Or just, you know, owners donated to the city, which is fantastic.

651
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:03,200
So I recommend that.

652
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:04,200
Okay, okay.

653
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:05,960
They toss a short drive.

654
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:06,960
That is on my list.

655
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,720
I really want to go to like.

656
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:14,080
And also the Donner party, but through Donner Pass, you get Donner Pass to go up there.

657
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:20,160
But it is really cool because Donner Lake, there are docks out there that you can just

658
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,040
go out and just get there early and stick to claim to it.

659
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,520
And you get your own private dock for the day.

660
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,320
You can dive off, you can pick your paddleboards off.

661
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:29,320
So I highly recommend that.

662
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:30,320
Okay, good.

663
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:31,320
Yeah.

664
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,620
Those are things I found in the

665
00:30:33,620 --> 00:30:34,620
Good.

666
00:30:34,620 --> 00:30:35,620
Search about there.

667
00:30:35,620 --> 00:30:36,620
So, good time.

668
00:30:36,620 --> 00:30:39,320
Yeah, we are thanking the Rome River crews.

669
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:43,440
I've always wanted to see the city of known where the popes were in exile in the Babylonian

670
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:44,440
captivity.

671
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,440
And then we'll go up to Leon and the great restaurants and history there as well.

672
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:54,800
We're going to visit my son in London as part of that trip as well.

673
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,560
We are looking at an Alaska cruise for next summer.

674
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:02,640
And then of course, I've got trips playing.

675
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,480
I've been, you know me, I love to ride my motorcycle around as well.

676
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:12,400
So my wife has been like, go because I told her, oh, I want to ride my motorcycle on these

677
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:13,400
different Western states.

678
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:18,600
I want to take the motorcycle, load it in the back of the truck and go off-roading out

679
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,240
in Colorado, in Wyoming, in Nevada, and a few other states out there.

680
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,640
So there's a foreseeable future that we're playing right now.

681
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,840
So other than that, I'm sure we'll hop up.

682
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,240
I think next fall we're talking about doing Maine.

683
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,720
I never could do Maine because I was the Bay coach for all those years.

684
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,280
And so it is with, you know, friendships and debate and stuff.

685
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:39,920
It eats up the weekends during the fall.

686
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:45,040
And so I'm looking forward to seeing New England in the fall next year, I think.

687
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:46,280
Finally going to get there.

688
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:50,840
You might actually be busier in retirement than you were in teaching.

689
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:51,840
Yes.

690
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,840
I am doing some other things as well.

691
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:54,840
Exactly.

692
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,320
I hear that's kind of the secret though, is to just keep moving, right?

693
00:31:58,320 --> 00:31:59,320
You know how it is.

694
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,320
You find things to do.

695
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:02,320
Protect projects.

696
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:03,320
And go for it, enjoy it.

697
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:04,320
Right?

698
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:05,760
And you find time for it.

699
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:06,760
Yes, exactly.

700
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,640
Well, I thank you so, so much for being my first guest.

701
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:15,600
I know that there are so many people who will be excited to hear your stories, and I'm

702
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,680
excited to share this with them.

703
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:19,680
So I thank you again.

704
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:20,680
Well, thanks Rachel.

705
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:21,680
It was really fun.

706
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:22,680
Yeah.

707
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,160
Thank you so much for joining us today.

708
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:31,040
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709
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:32,840
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714
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