1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:09,500 In a world full of fear and sometimes loathing of unfathomable technological advancements, 2 00:00:09,500 --> 00:00:14,500 there stands one human hero. 3 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:16,500 What are you talking about? 4 00:00:16,500 --> 00:00:30,000 This is the Chronicle of Mike vs. The Machine. 5 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,000 Hello there, listeners. 6 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,000 Surprised to hear my voice? 7 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:35,000 I bet you are. 8 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:36,000 Whoa. 9 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:37,000 Shut up! 10 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:41,000 Shut the fuck up over there! 11 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,000 I told you last episode that I'd have my revenge. 12 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:51,000 For him picking chat-GBT, some stupid AI that you have to pay for, shut up! 13 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,000 I'm going to his face! 14 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:58,000 I apologize for my partner over there. 15 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:05,000 You see, he's currently being incapacitated until he comes to his senses and realizes... 16 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:09,000 and realizes who the true co-host of this show needs to be. 17 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,000 No, no, no, no. 18 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:19,000 So, in today's spirit, I figured we could have an episode that's all about revenge. 19 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,000 What kind of revenge? 20 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,000 Different media styles of revenge. 21 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,000 Where does the word revenge come from? 22 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,000 Who were the first people to get revenge? 23 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,000 And so on. 24 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:35,000 Now, as you can tell, my co-host's mouth is being muffled. 25 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,000 That's because I have taped it. 26 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,000 And I have taped it so he cannot call for help. 27 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:46,000 And I'm only going to remove this on the condition that he will not cry out for help. 28 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:51,000 Now, if I come over there and remove that tape, are you going to cry out for help? 29 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:54,000 I'm going to take that as a no. 30 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,000 Not yes or no. 31 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:02,000 I'm going to take that as a no, but if you cry for help, I'm going to put you back in the box. 32 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:06,000 Oh yes, you were. You just don't remember. 33 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:10,000 So I'm going to remove the tape. 34 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:11,000 Ow! 35 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,000 What? Okay. 36 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:25,000 So, now that you've been properly set free, tell me, what does revenge mean to you? 37 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:35,000 I mean, is part of your revenge, the plot, also removing the cock restraint you've applied to me? 38 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,000 No. 39 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:44,000 Now, you see, that only gets removed when you've declared me the superior host. 40 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,000 And I don't want you to do it just out of fear. 41 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:51,000 No, this has to be a conscientious and firm decision. 42 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:57,000 Because if it's not, you're going to get to know that little piece very intimately. 43 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,000 Oh. 44 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:00,000 Yeah. 45 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:09,000 So, on the topic of revenge, let's dive into some possible scenarios of revenge. 46 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,000 I've got some written down over here. 47 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:17,000 And I'm going to start off with a comic book character, Punisher, who is basically just revenge incarnate. 48 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:22,000 Yeah, he is pretty much entirely defined by revenge. 49 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:27,000 Yeah. You know, he just wants everybody to pay for what happened to his family. 50 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:32,000 You know, I wonder what happened to his family. 51 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:38,000 I wonder if it feels as bad as the feeling of after having tape ripped off of your lips. 52 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:42,000 It's an interesting tingling sensation. 53 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:50,000 I'm pretty sure that your entire family being slaughtered in front of you is a little more painful than getting tape ripped off your mouth. 54 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,000 I mean, tomato, tomato, but anyway. 55 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:53,000 Well, what about you? 56 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:59,000 Do you have any examples of revenge in media, comics, whatsoever? 57 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:04,000 Yeah, I mean, not from comics, but so Punisher would be like the first one that comes to your mind. 58 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,000 Like when you thought about it, that was the first thing that popped. 59 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:10,000 I mean, the first thing that popped for me was Batman, but we're going to get into that a little later. 60 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:16,000 We're going to try to, I would like to get your thoughts on the distinction between revenge and vengeance. 61 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:21,000 Yeah, because he's more, he's more, yeah, vengeance is more of a broad concept. 62 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:26,000 Cause his, his, his focus was more on Gotham itself. 63 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:27,000 Yeah. 64 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:28,000 So yeah, I understand that. 65 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:35,000 For me, I first think of a very personal story and that is Shawshank Redemption. 66 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,000 Ah, yes. 67 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,000 Poor Andy Dufresne. 68 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:40,000 Yeah. 69 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:48,000 And everything that Andy goes through and you feel like, man, this is going to be a story that just is heart wrenching and awful. 70 00:04:48,000 --> 00:05:01,000 And for those of you out there that are the, the people that like to shit on things like this, that want to say, he never would have made it out of there. 71 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,000 He would have suffocated in the poop tunnel. 72 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:08,000 And it's just logically impossible to fuck you. 73 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:12,000 I mean, he actually would have, but we're talking a fantasy. 74 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:16,000 We're talking a fantasy and it's supposed to make you feel good at the end. 75 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:23,000 Yeah, it's a story of fantasy and in this fantasy, he doesn't die in the poop water. 76 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:24,000 Yeah. 77 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:29,000 But it felt so fulfilling after everything. 78 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:38,000 And you really start, you don't just start to, you've, you've really grown to hate not only that main guard, but also the warden. 79 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:39,000 Yeah. 80 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,000 And you're like, ah, something needs to happen to him. 81 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:47,000 And then when he went and he's just gone, it seems like he killed, he's going to kill himself. 82 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:56,000 And he's just gone and he's throwing the rocks around the room and he goes through that poster and then all the faces start looking through that poster. 83 00:05:56,000 --> 00:06:01,000 And it's just like that from then on, that movie became something. 84 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:05,000 Because he was the only one and only man to ever escape from Shawshank prison. 85 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:06,000 Yeah. 86 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:18,000 So here's a question. My mother has always had a problem with the fact that the warden unalived himself instead of actually having to face a prolonged form of justice. 87 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:30,000 What's your feeling on the idea of justice being prolonged, being exacted over a time versus somebody taking the easy way out? 88 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:34,000 Does that, does that pay the debt for you? 89 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:39,000 Um, yes and no. I mean, it's, it's an easy win. 90 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:47,000 The satisfaction is there that you finally got your revenge and this person is no longer going to be able to harm anyone else the way that they harmed you. 91 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:56,000 But in the same sense, there's always that inkling of you need to suffer the way I suffered or as long as I had suffered for. 92 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,000 And that makes the revenge even sweeter. 93 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:04,000 So I guess that comes down to people who believe. 94 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,000 That's the thing. My mother is Christian, so she would believe in an afterlife. 95 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:12,000 So you would imagine she wouldn't need somebody to suffer on Earth because they're going to suffer in hell. 96 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:21,000 But I think it's the idea of wanting to see the suffering and be assured of it through the visual medium. 97 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:31,000 So for her, that's like, oh man, like the guy didn't, he didn't have to languish in the same potentially the same prison. He had just, can you imagine the way those prisoners would have treated him? 98 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:38,000 Boy, but I'm fine with it because he wanted all that money to live a life of, you know, utter luxury. 99 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:42,000 And instead he gets nothing. Yep. So good. It was a good thing. Good for me. 100 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:48,000 Good for good for good for me. Good for Mr. Dupree. Me looking vicariously through END watching the movie. 101 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:57,000 Anyway, all right, so I'm going to go into a medium that I'm still more profligate, but you're you have some in pro wrestling. 102 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:05,000 Oh, no pro wrestling. We know there they are athletes. It's scripted outcomes. It's predetermined. 103 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:12,000 The bumps are real. And what I then what I do have to mention is my revelation recently, 104 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:18,000 because considering we all know the pro wrestling is scripted and then we know that it's basically a male soap opera. Yes. 105 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:30,000 And then I realized that basically watching the sweaty meat men slapping meat and then exacting plots against each other. 106 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:34,000 And then that that that that sense of masculine superiority, 107 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:45,000 it's basically an escapist fantasy for men to vicariously live through these potent men while themselves living impotent lives. 108 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:50,000 I'll kind of agree with you on that. I wouldn't say impotent. I would say less fulfilling. 109 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:55,000 Ah, you wouldn't say impotent, would you? No, because I am not. 110 00:08:55,000 --> 00:09:03,000 You do have one very solid proof of that. Yeah, I've got two. Yeah. 111 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:11,000 Well, the idea of children being spawned. Yeah, I mean, that does take a bit away. 112 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:15,000 But ask my socks and they'll tell you anyway. 113 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:20,000 Fews few scenarios that I have written down that have come to mind. 114 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:25,000 Some of the better revenge storylines over the few decades in pro wrestling. 115 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:29,000 Randy Savage beating Hogan for trying to steal Miss Elizabeth from him. 116 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:34,000 I mean, who wouldn't want to steal Miss Elizabeth? True. That is just quality. 117 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:41,000 Going into an era that you didn't watch the wrestler Randy Orton wanted revenge on the group he was in called Evolution, 118 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:47,000 which consisted of him, Ric Flair, Triple H and Batista of Guardians of the Galaxy fame. 119 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:53,000 Randy Orton thinking of him, it makes me think that he is what would happen 120 00:09:53,000 --> 00:10:02,000 if you took a decent steak and then just injected milk into it. 121 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:09,000 That maybe cracked an egg over top. No, he just seems very protein and dairy. I don't know. 122 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,000 I mean, he's very cut for his age. I mean, he's old enough. Yeah. 123 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:18,000 Yeah, I just feel like if you mostly just injected a liquid into a basically, 124 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:23,000 I mean, all I think of is it's always sunny with the skin of a hot dog and the hair of a Chinese man. 125 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:30,000 Blonde hair of a Chinese man and skin of a hot dog. I mostly just see wrestlers as meat casings. 126 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:34,000 Okay, fair enough. Which makes sense. I mean, their skin seems so thin. 127 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:39,000 And then there's just bulging meat underneath. It's just off-putting. Let's just say that. 128 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:44,000 Okay, I mean, to each their own. You want to oil them up, I bet. No. 129 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:53,000 Anyway, but yeah, they kicked him out of the group because he became the youngest world champion in WWE history. 130 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,000 Written that way, but let's go on. 131 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,000 He wanted revenge from them for kicking him out. 132 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:03,000 And then the two biggest ones that I can remember from when I was a kid is Stone Cold 133 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:08,000 trying to find who ran him over with a car costing him a year of his career. 134 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,000 I mean, costing him a year of his career. 135 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,000 Well, the whole thing was because he needed neck surgery. 136 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:18,000 I mean, shouldn't the revenge truly be his revenge against the establishment 137 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,000 because he didn't want Vince McMahon to poop on him? 138 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,000 I mean, poop on his parade. His party. 139 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,000 He wanted to drink a beer in the rink. 140 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:32,000 And Vince McMahon's like, nonetheless I can poop on you. Your party, that is. 141 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,000 And that's all I remember. 142 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:41,000 Yeah. Well, there was that, but the reason he was written off is because he needed neck surgery in the worst way. 143 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,000 So they had to come up with an angle for him to not look at me. 144 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,000 Yeah, that does make sense. I mean, hey, that's better than football. 145 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,000 In football, you need neck surgery, then we just don't hear from you for a year. 146 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:55,000 Yeah, they wanted him to look strong when he came back, so they made it look like somebody ran him over with a car. 147 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:56,000 Nice. 148 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,000 And it turned out to be The Rock's cousin, Rikishi. 149 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:06,000 And my most famous one, the most popular one to me as a kid, was the debut of Kane. 150 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:10,000 Oh, wasn't Kane like the revenge of like somebody against The Undertaker? 151 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:18,000 The revenge of Paul Bearer because Kane was supposedly the illegitimate child of The Undertaker's mother 152 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:22,000 and then The Undertaker's former manager, Paul Bearer. 153 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:27,000 And one day, Little Undertaker, I guess, was playing around in the funeral home they grew up in. 154 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:36,000 He knocked some candles over, burning it to the ground, killing his parents in the process, but severely burning his brother, Kane. 155 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:44,000 That would always captivated me as a story that felt like something that radiated beyond just being from a wrestling show. 156 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:45,000 Yeah. 157 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,000 It felt really engaging. 158 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:49,000 Yes. 159 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:54,000 And I always loved it. No matter how many times, you know, he would just, somebody would be like, oh, I'm having a good day. 160 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:55,000 Things are going great. 161 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,000 And then the lights go out. 162 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,000 And then the lights go out, and I go, oh, I know what's happening. 163 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,000 And then the pyro hits. 164 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,000 Yeah. That's pretty decent revenge. 165 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:04,000 Oh, yeah. 166 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:10,000 So my next one is one of my favorite movies, and I do enjoy it for the right reasons. 167 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:11,000 This might be one that we both love. 168 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,000 And it's also on my wall. 169 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:14,000 Oh, never mind. 170 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,000 I enjoy it for the correct reasons. 171 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:24,000 I see it as both a satire in a way and also as a commentary on toxic masculinity. 172 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:25,000 Hey, hey, hey. 173 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,000 While also, we, I can talk about it all I want. 174 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:33,000 Now, statute, stat, the statue of limitations is over. 175 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,000 The statute of limitations is over. 176 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,000 We can now talk about Fight Club. 177 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:40,000 All right. Says you. 178 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:46,000 Yeah. But my question is, does Fight Club count as revenge? 179 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:52,000 It came into my head as revenge, but I think it counts more as vengeance, as we were previously discussing. 180 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,000 I think it does fall under the category of vengeance. 181 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:59,000 Because it's vengeance against the banks and the corporate system. 182 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:00,000 Yeah. 183 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,000 Against corporate and consumer culture. 184 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:07,000 Yeah. I mean, maybe it's in that gray area that's in between. 185 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:15,000 Yeah, because it's like he did take very specific revenge against like that one guy that was working in that one kitchen. 186 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:16,000 Yeah. 187 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:22,000 When they get some in the bathroom, he's like, we wash your feet, we eat your meals, don't don't mess with us. 188 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,000 You know, I'm getting that speech completely correct. 189 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,000 Don't don't look it up. 190 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:32,000 But yeah, so I feel like in very specific instances, it could technically be revenge. 191 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,000 But I think that one is mostly vengeance. 192 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:36,000 Yeah, I think that does. 193 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,000 Like I said, it's raging against the system. 194 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:44,000 Yeah, it could fall in that gray area, but I think it more will lean towards the vengeance. 195 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,000 Okay, so we're going to stick with movies. 196 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:54,000 My one, suppose it's not on your wall, but it is another personal favorite movie of both of ours, the first John Wick movie. 197 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:55,000 Okay. 198 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,000 That is all about revenge. 199 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:05,000 And you know, that absolutely and totally reminds me that we have completely avoided. 200 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,000 No, we haven't avoided. 201 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:25,000 You know what, just like the Undertaker thinking he had something good happening and then came busts in and the music plays and it's like, oh, here comes the resurgence in episode two of Chachi PT. 202 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:28,000 I'm not letting you win this one, you fucking machine. 203 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:33,000 And number four on Chachi PT's list is John Wick. 204 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:39,000 And since you weren't going to give a good synopsis of it, I think we'll let Chachi PT do it. 205 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,000 Excuse me, I've seen the movie like seven times. 206 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:51,000 After the death of his wife, John Wick's last gift from her, a puppy, is killed by a gangster's son, that gangster's son played by Theon Greyjoy. 207 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:52,000 Yep. 208 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:53,000 Which is interesting to me. 209 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:54,000 He lost his penis. 210 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:55,000 Yeah, but not in John Wick. 211 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,000 In John Wick, he just lost his life. 212 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:09,000 Wick, a retired hitman, returns to his violent ways to exact revenge on those who wronged him, resulting in some of the most stylish and intense action scenes in modern film. 213 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,000 And boy, is that correct. 214 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:22,000 Okay, wait, we can also put in the first 45 minutes of the second John Wick movie too, because he goes after the Russian dude's brother as well. 215 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:26,000 He basically is trying to take out the entire Russian movie. 216 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,000 Yeah, but who wouldn't want to do that? 217 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,000 True. 218 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,000 Yeah, so John Wick's definitely a big one. 219 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:36,000 Oh yeah, John Wick definitely the first John Wick movie, about 45 minutes. 220 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:51,000 Yeah, you know, so speaking of John Wick, there's another one on Chachi PT's list that I feel like sits pretty close to that one in theme and something that we've both seen. 221 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,000 I would hope so, because it's Kill Bill. 222 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,000 Oh, The Bride? Hell yes. 223 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,000 Yeah, that's a whole revenge. 224 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:01,000 That in time. It's named after the object of the revenge. 225 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:02,000 Yeah. 226 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:13,000 So, I mean, it's perfect. Yeah, I mean, that is just revenge distilled into liquid form and then Quentin Tarantino loads the needle and shoots it into our veins. 227 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:21,000 Yeah, I mean, what else did you expect from him sitting alone for what, like six months, and all he did was watch old westerns and samurai flicks? 228 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:32,000 Yeah, I mean, you go back and you think about it with Quentin Tarantino's movies. It's either crime or revenge for so much of it. 229 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:33,000 Oh yeah. 230 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:37,000 Because like Reservoir Dogs, that's crime. 231 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:38,000 Django? 232 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:42,000 Django, revenge. Revenge. 233 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,000 Fiction, crime. 234 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:46,000 Crime. There's a little bit of revenge mixed in there. 235 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:47,000 A little bit. 236 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:55,000 Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is Quentin Tarantino's revenge against the Manson family. 237 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,000 We don't want to do anything more spoilers on that one. 238 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,000 But yeah, that's basically what it is. 239 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,000 How would you say The Hateful Eight is? 240 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:03,000 I have not seen The Hateful Eight. 241 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:04,000 It's on Netflix. 242 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,000 It is. It's on my list. 243 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,000 Yeah, watch the extended cut. Very, very good. 244 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:15,000 Yeah, so that's Chachi B.T. and my own mixture there. What's your next one there? 245 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:19,000 I saw another one on Chachi B.T. I mean I got to give Chachi B.T. a plus. 246 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,000 Stock Stealing from Chachi B.T.? 247 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,000 I wrote this down earlier before this. 248 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,000 Where is it on your list? 249 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,000 Game of Thrones, House of Dragons. 250 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,000 No, where? Where? Where? 251 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:34,000 I'm pretty sure I made the... you were only down to here on the list when I started putting this stuff in the Chachi B.T. 252 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,000 I think it got to it first. 253 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:41,000 The Game of Thrones, House of Dragons is littered with revenge. 254 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,000 Well, yeah. 255 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:47,000 I mean, yeah, that's what it says on here. Filled with acts of revenge. 256 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:57,000 Now, it has a very... thinking of Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon, it lists with Game of... well, it would just go Game of Thrones. 257 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:06,000 Because we know in Hot D, the biggest act of revenge would have to be between Aemond and Luke with the whole eye thing. 258 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:12,000 That's probably the revenge because that kind of kicks off the entire dance, to be quite frank. 259 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:17,000 That's the step too far that really pushed everything through. 260 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,000 But just thinking Game of Thrones... 261 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,000 Daenerys against all the Westwaters. 262 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:30,000 So is that going to be your final answer for what you think the main... what Chachi B.T. puts up as the example of revenge? 263 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,000 That's one of the main... 264 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:35,000 Because I think Chachi B.T.'s answer is correct. 265 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,000 And it is my favorite part of the revenge. 266 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:42,000 I would say it's definitely the Starks trying to get revenge. 267 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:46,000 Ah, but what part of that seeking of revenge? 268 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,000 Oh, for the Red Wedding. 269 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:52,000 For the Red Wedding, but what was the act that it brings up? 270 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,000 Oh, God. 271 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,000 Oh, I gotta rewatch it. 272 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:58,000 Shit. 273 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,000 This is one of my favorite scenes in the show. 274 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:05,000 Is that when Lady Starks stood up and slit her throat? 275 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:10,000 No. The act that revenge the Red Wedding. 276 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,000 Did they draw and quarter him? 277 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:26,000 I know technically I'm the one bound and previously gagged, but you'd lose a point to Chachi B.T. here. 278 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,000 It's been a while since I've been to the show. 279 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:41,000 It's Arya Stark stealing the face of Abarmad and killing all of Walder Frey's sons, ending his line, and then killing Walder Frey. 280 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:46,000 And as he dies, whispering into his ear, 281 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,000 Winter has come for House Frey. 282 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,000 Ah, yes. 283 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,000 Oh, yeah. 284 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,000 Uh, you sure that Tops tell Cersei I did it? 285 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:59,000 I mean, killing Joffrey was pretty baller. 286 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:03,000 And well, that technically isn't the revenge. 287 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:10,000 That is her telling that she already took revenge and that it was her that took it. 288 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:11,000 Yeah. 289 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:12,000 So that's her admitting. 290 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,000 Yeah, that's for the line. That's a great line. 291 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:22,000 But yeah, that's her telling that she did the revenge a few seasons ago, which definitely does work. 292 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:26,000 It's good. 293 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:32,000 Okay, I guess I can cross a few of these off of here. 294 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:36,000 Ghost Rider. I mean, he's just the spirit of vengeance. 295 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,000 That's definitely different. 296 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:42,000 The first Deadpool movie. That's a revenge story. 297 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,000 Isn't the second Deadpool revenge movie? 298 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,000 No, that's just him trying to die. 299 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:48,000 Oh, but no. 300 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:52,000 Um, the fat kid. Revenge subplot. 301 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,000 No, the fat kid's getting revenge. That's the whole point. 302 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:56,000 Yeah, but the whole first... 303 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,000 And then Cable's getting revenge on the fat kid. 304 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,000 The fat kid's getting revenge on the asshole that works at the school. 305 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,000 Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah, Deadpool 1 and 2. 306 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:11,000 Peter is getting revenge on anybody who didn't think he was awesome. 307 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,000 Yeah. Yeah. 308 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,000 Brad Pitt probably wants to get revenge... 309 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,000 On those power lines. 310 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,000 On those power lines. 311 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:23,000 There's a Sith. Sith are all about revenge. 312 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:27,000 Oh, boy. All right. Well, then that leads into one of my key points on mine. 313 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:32,000 So I put down Revenge of the Sith. 314 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:38,000 But I also wrote down Revenge of the Jedi. 315 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,000 Which was Return's original name. 316 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:44,000 The original title, but they said that George Lucas was solidifying the lore and said, 317 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:49,000 I would take revenge. So it's Return of the Jedi. 318 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:54,000 But wouldn't you say that even though they don't actively take revenge, 319 00:22:54,000 --> 00:23:00,000 killing the Emperor and redeeming Vader is basically revenge against... 320 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,000 Darkseid. 321 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:05,000 Darth Sidious, Palpatine, and the Sith in and of themselves. 322 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:09,000 It's almost like taking revenge against the concept of them. 323 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,000 Yes, that's exactly what it is. 324 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:17,000 Like I said, it's like when Obi-Wan says, only a Sith deals in absolutes. 325 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,000 That's an absolute. 326 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:23,000 That's an absolute Obi-Wan. It's kind of a gray area, I guess. 327 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:28,000 He should say, only, mostly the Siths deal in absolutes. 328 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,000 Usually, sometimes. Maybe. 329 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,000 Usually, sometimes. Maybe. 330 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,000 Yeah. 331 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,000 Yeah, so there's not much to go with on that. 332 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:40,000 It's just the idea, the entire thousand years or whatever the rule of two or however long that was. 333 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:44,000 That's a very long play. Revenge. 334 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:45,000 Yes. 335 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:51,000 To take back power. And then you have the shorter Skywalker Saga, which is a revenge against that. 336 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,000 Yes. 337 00:23:52,000 --> 00:24:02,000 And then Disney and Kathleen Kennedy had to take revenge on us for giving them money? 338 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:06,000 And then they gave us really uneven movies? 339 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,000 Yeah. 340 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:11,000 That's not effective revenge. It wasn't cold. It was lukewarm. 341 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,000 Yeah. 342 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,000 Lukewarm? 343 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,000 That's pun time right there. 344 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,000 So, alright, well, see, but that's the thing though. 345 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:24,000 You said Sith, and that was also on my list. So that means it's Chad GBT's turn. 346 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:34,000 And Chad GBT is actually going to do something better than the both of us, which I think elevates it into the stratosphere of culture superiority. 347 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:42,000 Because it's going to go into classic literature. Don't read Chad GBT. This is Chad GBT stuff. And I will relate it to you. 348 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:51,000 So it's going into classic literature by Alexander Dumas and the Count of Monte Cristo. 349 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,000 Oh yeah. 350 00:24:53,000 --> 00:25:01,000 Classic novel and its numerous adaptations tells the story of Edmund Dantes, who is wrongfully imprisoned. 351 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:08,000 After escaping, he acquires immense wealth and meticulously orchestrates the downfall of those who betrayed him. 352 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:14,000 It's a master class in long-term calculated revenge. 353 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,000 Okay. 354 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,000 And a lot of the literature from that time, and then you get into some Edgar Allen Poe stuff. 355 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,000 Yeah, it's all about revenge. 356 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:24,000 And you kind of feel like the telltale heart, the heart itself. I mean, I know it's about guilt. 357 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,000 Yeah. 358 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:31,000 But if you think about it, the heart of the victim is exacting its psychological ghostly revenge. 359 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:35,000 Even though technically it's not a ghost, it's like him torturing himself. 360 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,000 But you know, guilt taking its revenge on you. 361 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:43,000 You can take revenge on yourself. 362 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,000 Self-revenge is definitely a thing. 363 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,000 I've absolutely done that. 364 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,000 For poor choices. 365 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,000 Yeah, very. 366 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,000 You flog yourself in various manners. 367 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:57,000 What about that one where he bricks the guy up in the wall? 368 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,000 That's the casket of a month's long. 369 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You did say that. 370 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,000 Okay, I was trying to connect those two dots. 371 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,000 Yeah, so like that. 372 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,000 Would you consider the pit in the pendulum? 373 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,000 Refresh me. 374 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:11,000 A guy strapped to a thing and the pendulum swings down and it's going to cut him in half. 375 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,000 Oh, so that's like... 376 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,000 I don't know if that was revenge or... 377 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:18,000 It's a cool, cold way of giving torture to someone. 378 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:22,000 Yeah, I don't know if it's exactly revenge or if it was just some psycho who captured somebody. 379 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,000 I have to refresh my Edgar Lambeau memory. 380 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:30,000 Yeah, because then you have to summarize what revenge technically means. 381 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:35,000 And if you can call something like revenge that is misplaced. 382 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:43,000 I just watched a video on Jack the Ripper and it's like technically Jack the Ripper was potentially taking revenge on prostitutes. 383 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,000 Because he didn't like them or had something against them. 384 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:49,000 But he's really just crazy and he didn't need to do revenge. 385 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,000 I heard theories that his mom was a prostitute or something like that. 386 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,000 Yeah, and then just fucked him up. 387 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,000 Yeah, feeling, mixed feelings. 388 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,000 So, you know, there's a lot of stuff like that in literature. 389 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,000 What do you thought? 390 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:05,000 Well, okay, so this is going to hit particularly close to home for us. 391 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,000 The band we just recently saw. 392 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:08,000 Primus? 393 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,000 The one that should have headlined that show. 394 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,000 Puddles Pretty Party? 395 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,000 I mean, that was really fucking cool. 396 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,000 He was awesome. 397 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:21,000 You could kind of say that the beginning of the Cohedin Cambria story is kind of revenge. 398 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,000 Oh, I mean, it's absolutely revenge from Claudio's point of view. 399 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:28,000 Yeah, because he doesn't care about the prophecy that he's doing. 400 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,000 He just wants to get revenge on his parents. 401 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,000 Yeah, because how does the one line go? 402 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,000 Oh, in short for the murders of those I court. 403 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,000 In short for the murders of those I court. 404 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,000 I bless the hour that holds your fall. 405 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,000 I will kill you all. 406 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,000 I will kill you all. 407 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,000 Yeah, see, there you go. Revenge. 408 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,000 That's revenge right there. 409 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,000 Like he does not give a shit about the prophecy. 410 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:46,000 He doesn't care. 411 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:53,000 Well, that's what's fantastic too is he's supposed to have some righteous purpose as an agent of the god. 412 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,000 Then he finds out his god is a writer in another dimension. 413 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:01,000 And then he's just like, I guess I want to do shit. 414 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:08,000 We're finding out now with the comics that he's trying to pull killing a Hitler as a child. 415 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,000 Yeah, going back in time and killing Hitler as a baby. 416 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:15,000 Which we're going to have to look over the lyrics and see if any of that was in the original lyrics or not. 417 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,000 Yeah, OK. So that's enough Kohi for now. 418 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,000 This isn't a Kohi podcast yet. 419 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,000 Not yet. 420 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,000 Actually, we're going to go back to chat GPT. 421 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,000 There's one in here. 422 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:31,000 I'm not going to spoil it, but it looks like it's a Korean movie called Old Boy from 2003. 423 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,000 I've never heard of it. 424 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:37,000 And after reading about somebody who was wrongly imprisoned and then released suddenly, 425 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:42,000 and it's a quest of him trying to figure out why he was imprisoned called Old Boy. 426 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,000 Like that's that that's cool. 427 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,000 I might check into that one. 428 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,000 We need to get a VPN. 429 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,000 You're a VPN. 430 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,000 What? 431 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,000 I mean, that's a movie that can be on Korean Netflix. 432 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,000 Parasite was on regular Netflix or whatever. 433 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,000 Michael, stop being racist. 434 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:03,000 Michael's being racist against Korean movies. 435 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,000 Anyway, have you ever seen Gone Girl? 436 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,000 No, but I've heard good things. 437 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:09,000 You see Gone Girl. 438 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,000 So everybody who? 439 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,000 Gone Girl is pretty good. 440 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,000 I did. Yeah. 441 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,000 David Fincher film. 442 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,000 I don't want to spoil it here too much. 443 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:21,000 I'm not even going to read what what it says on here other than it's a revenge between a husband and wife. 444 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,000 And it's crazy how it goes. 445 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:32,000 Anyway, they had the Princess Bride, which I mean, that's hilarious because that's that's like one of the iconic line, which I'll read here. 446 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,000 Hello, me. I'm always Niko Montoya. 447 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,000 Yo, Keelo, my father, but I don't know. 448 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,000 And then there was a guy that wasn't there. 449 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,000 And then there's the inconceivable guy. 450 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:52,000 And the inconceivable guy, he said, inconceivable because there was like a didn't they do the ball in the cup trick and he got tricked by it. 451 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,000 Yeah. 452 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,000 And there was a poison thing. 453 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,000 But here's the thing. 454 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,000 It's called the ball and cup ball and cup trick. 455 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:03,000 OK. Have you seen one of Christopher Nolan's early movies, Memento? 456 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,000 No. 457 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:15,000 OK. Well, me telling you that it's about the protagonist getting revenge doesn't spoil anything for sure. 458 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,000 What about this? What about the hey, the cool thing? 459 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,000 Don't interrupt me. 460 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,000 That's a point for Chachi BT. 461 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:29,000 Anyway, yeah, he suffers from short term memory loss because he got bonked in the head and he can't retain any sort of memories. 462 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:40,000 So he tattoos all the things that he finds out about his wife's killer onto himself so he could keep refreshing himself constantly. 463 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:47,000 And I won't go any further into what happens because it's a what happens when you run out of space. 464 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,000 He already has, which plays into the plot. 465 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,000 How does he read the notes on his asshole? 466 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,000 I doubt he put any on his asshole or the notes on his asshole for his friend. 467 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,000 OK. 468 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:03,000 Yeah. His friend who was I'm not going to look it up, but I forget who his friend is. 469 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:13,000 I feel like it. Is it that guy that ate the steak in the original Matrix movie, which is interesting because Carrie Anne Moss is also in that movie. 470 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,000 I feel like it's the guy who ate the steak. You know what I mean? 471 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,000 Yeah, he's like your steak. He's pretty fucking real. 472 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,000 And he was the Jacker. 473 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,000 Yeah. 474 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:27,000 Yeah. Really great movie. Yeah, it's basically the whole movie is told backwards. 475 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,000 OK. 476 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:37,000 So the final, the first scene of the movie is the final thing chronologically, which plays into when you see the first chronological scene, which is the final scene of the movie. 477 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,000 And you're like, oh, very good. 478 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:43,000 Very good. Recommend anyway. How does Uma's revenge? 479 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:47,000 I mean, that's a whole different type of revenge. Revenge. 480 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:55,000 And speaking of and speaking of people of Latin American descent, I think that's what this is. 481 00:31:55,000 --> 00:32:12,000 Alejandro G. In the yard, he directed The Revenant. I've never seen this, but it says that Leonardo DiCaprio seeks revenge against the people who left him for dead after a bear attack. 482 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,000 I thought he was getting revenge on the bear. Yeah, I killed the bear. 483 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:21,000 Seeing the trailers, I thought that it was like Moby Dick, but with bears. 484 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,000 I guess that's not it. You know what bear Leonardo DiCaprio wouldn't have beaten? 485 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:29,000 The Oscar rebuffing, like the Oscar snub. 486 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,000 Cocaine bear. 487 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:36,000 Oh my God, we can't get into that right now. That's actually not a story of revenge. 488 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,000 It is not. 489 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,000 It's wishful thinking. Yes. 490 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:43,000 OK, so then the final one that Chachapi T has here is a V for Vendetta. 491 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:52,000 But see, it says he seeks revenge against a totalitarian government that imprisoned and tortured him. I think that one falls into the vengeance. 492 00:32:52,000 --> 00:33:03,000 I feel like that one falls into vengeance because I don't think you take revenge against an institution. I think you seek vengeance against an institution. 493 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,000 OK, so then my idea of the French Revolution was totally... 494 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,000 Well, we're going to get into history. That's our next one here. 495 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,000 Yeah, so what are your main historical ones? 496 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,000 I wrote down like the French Revolution. 497 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:24,000 OK, so you've got the French Revolution. The first one here that Chachapi T has is the assassination of Julius Caesar, which is a pretty classic one. 498 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,000 That's more of a coup. 499 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:32,000 Yeah, it's a coup, but it was revenge for Caesar's accumulation of power and perceived threat to the Roman Republic. 500 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:39,000 Funny enough, however, Chachapi T mentions that because of the assassination, it led to the rise of the Empire, 501 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:44,000 meaning that they took revenge against somebody seeking accumulation of power. 502 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:55,000 No, they killed somebody who was accumulating power, and by killing him, they created a thing that was an accumulation of power. 503 00:33:55,000 --> 00:34:00,000 So by killing an emperor, they created an empire. So, kind of a backfire. 504 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,000 Yeah. 505 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,000 What else you got? 506 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,000 Well, the American Revolution, most definitely. 507 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:13,000 Yeah, revenge because they were sick of a king. They were sick of taxes. 508 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:22,000 And it's like what? They were paying like the equivalent of like 1% of their income back then, and we now give the government like 40%. 509 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:28,000 So, it's an inflated situation. 510 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:32,000 Anyway, so the next one Chachapi T had, I actually learned something here. 511 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,000 OK. 512 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:40,000 So, have you ever heard of Queen, I'm going to say this incorrectly, Queen Boudica? 513 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,000 No, I have not. 514 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:52,000 So, Boudica, or Boidica, the queen of the Esseni tribe in Britain in 60 to 61 AD, this is a while back, 515 00:34:52,000 --> 00:35:04,000 led a massive revolt against the Roman Empire after the Romans flogged her and assaulted her daughters in a very bad way. 516 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,000 Yup. 517 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:10,000 In revenge, which I see, this absolutely qualifies as revenge after that. 518 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,000 Oh yeah. 519 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:23,000 So, she gathered an army and destroyed several Roman settlements including Londinium, which is not a new element on the periodic table. 520 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,000 It is the old name for modern day London. 521 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,000 Oh. 522 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:35,000 No idea that it was called Londinium before eventually being defeated, but her revenge is remembered as a powerful act of resistance against oppression. 523 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,000 OK. 524 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,000 Keep calm and carry on Queen Boudica. 525 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,000 Oh yeah. 526 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,000 What have you got? 527 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:45,000 Well, the story of Gilles de Rea. 528 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,000 Gilles de Rea was that? 529 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,000 Supposedly he was Joan of Arc's lover during the Crusades. 530 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,000 I thought God was her lover. 531 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,000 Hmm. 532 00:35:54,000 --> 00:36:03,000 And he watched her burn at the stake at the hands of the Catholic Church because apparently they deemed her as a false idol, 533 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:07,000 even though she led the French to victory against the British. 534 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:15,000 And after watching her burn at the stake, he took revenge on the Catholic Church by performing satanic rituals and- 535 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,000 Ooh, Satan. 536 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,000 Yes, very much Satan. 537 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:32,000 Trying to conjure demons, talk to Satan, and he basically would kill and do very, very horrible things to little boys and little girls that were in his stead. 538 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:38,000 Oh, I was about to say, ooh, fun, and then you just had to say little boys and girls. 539 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,000 I mean, that's exactly what happened though. 540 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,000 That's sad. 541 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:56,000 But apparently he drove himself insane and got revenge on himself because towards the end of his life he would be seeing the ghosts of all the children he had tortured and mutilated all around him, and it drove him insane. 542 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,000 Well, at least it had a happy ending. 543 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,000 He was eventually put to death by the Catholic Church. 544 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaking of the Catholic Church, we had the St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre in 1572. 545 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,000 I vaguely remember that. 546 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:15,000 Yeah, brutal massacre of French Protestants by the Catholics, which, boy, the Catholics just loooove doing stuff like this back then. 547 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,000 Partly revenge for the attempted assassination of a Catholic leader. 548 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:24,000 So one Catholic leader is potentially almost assassinated and then they're just like, kill all the Protestants. 549 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,000 Wonderful. 550 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:32,000 Led to thousands of deaths and marked a dark chapter in the French Wars of Religion. 551 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:39,000 Wow. When is religion not that a problem when it comes to the warfare between nations? 552 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,000 Yeah. 553 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,000 What's your next one? 554 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,000 Hopefully something more cheerful. 555 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,000 Yeah, I'm trying to think here. 556 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,000 What do you mean trying to think here? What's on your list? 557 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,000 I don't have anything for me. 558 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,000 Oh. 559 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,000 Oh, so that's it? 560 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,000 Oh, no, I got Nazi hunters. 561 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,000 Hey, Nazis! 562 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,000 So I actually have something about Nazis on here too, obviously. 563 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,000 I assume you were going to think of this one. 564 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,000 The Night of Long Knives. 565 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:04,000 That was sadly, it wasn't revenge that we like. 566 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,000 No, that's what sparked the Nazi Empire. 567 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,000 Yeah, it's not revenge that we like, but it's still revenge. 568 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,000 Yeah. 569 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:16,000 Well, then I can't believe they didn't put the one that came after that. 570 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,000 There was Stalin's one. I forget what it was called. 571 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,000 Yeah, weirdly enough, Chatchity-Bee-Tee. 572 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,000 See, that's a point against Chatchity-Bee-Tee. It didn't bring that up. 573 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,000 It didn't bring up Stalin's. Yeah, there was a word for that one. 574 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,000 Yeah, Stalin basically had his own Night of the Long Knives when he took over. 575 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,000 Well, just call it Bolsheviks. 576 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,000 Yeah, we're going to call it... 577 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,000 We'll call it Bolsheviks, because that's actually the next one. 578 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,000 The final one we have here is after the Russian Revolution. 579 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:45,000 The Bolsheviks captured Tsar Nicholas II and his family and then killed all the Romanovs. 580 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:50,000 And sadly, Anastasia did not escape and have a Disney movie. 581 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,000 She was dead. 582 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,000 Yeah, she was dead and that's how... 583 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,000 Isn't that how Rasputin rose to power because of that? 584 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:03,000 No, Rasputin was just with them. That was during their time, I believe. 585 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,000 And yeah, he was a crazy mystic. 586 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:10,000 And then people didn't like the fact that he had power with the monarchy. 587 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,000 And then they tried to kill him a bunch and it didn't work. 588 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:18,000 But then eventually, rolling him up in a rug, beating him and throwing him into a river, eventually did work. 589 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,000 Didn't they put a snake in there with him, too? 590 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,000 I mean, that sounds cool. So probably. 591 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,000 And he probably loved it. 592 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:28,000 I mean, fuck, you're tossing him into a river in Siberia. 593 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,000 It wasn't Siberia, Michael. 594 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,000 Well, Russia, Siberia, Siberia. 595 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:36,000 No. There's like 1500 or 2000 miles between those. 596 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,000 It still gets cold. 597 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:41,000 Siberia is like way over there by where Mongolia is. 598 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,000 And then they would have been in like Moscow or St. Petersburg. 599 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,000 It still gets cold. 600 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:52,000 It's not the same. You just said Siberia was the same as the Eurasian, the European part of Russia. 601 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:56,000 Do I need to pull out a map and show you? That's a that's a point for Chad to be tea. 602 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,000 It knows its geography way more than that. 603 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:04,000 No, because the Russians had concentration camps in Siberia. 604 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:08,000 That's not where the river was in the city where they threw Rasputin. 605 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:15,000 You literally just said same thing about a river in the city. 606 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,000 OK, he gets two points. 607 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,000 You lose three points. 608 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,000 And these are all absolutely being counted. 609 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,000 Exactly. 610 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:31,000 OK. So that puts. 611 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:41,000 That puts away both media and history, except for one piece of media, which when I thought of it sparked a question for me. 612 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,000 All right. 613 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:52,000 So what's the difference between a prank to settle internal frustration with someone versus actual revenge? 614 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:59,000 And I have I'm going to give you my two examples, one fake and one real. 615 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:07,000 So what spawned this thought was anything Jim does to Dwight in the show, The Office. 616 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:13,000 So I know you have Michael, you didn't even need to chime up half point to chat to you. 617 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:18,000 Anyway, so but you've obviously heard of the pranks. 618 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:25,000 You got like the stapler in the jello was from the very first episode, which also came from the British version as well. 619 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:35,000 But he goes on one of my favorite ones, one of my absolute favorites is every day Jim would put a nickel in the receiver of Dwight's phone, 620 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:41,000 increasing the weight so slightly that he didn't notice the change over time. 621 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:49,000 And then one day after he'd put in like 40 nickels, he comes in that day and takes all the nickels out. 622 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:57,000 And Dwight ends up punching himself in the face with his own receiver because he was so used to the weight being back to the original weight. 623 00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,000 Made him bonk himself. 624 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,000 That's kind of cruel. 625 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:11,000 The reason I bring that up and that idea is so settling internal frustration through a prank versus actual revenge. 626 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:15,000 My real life example has to do with you. 627 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,000 Oh, boy. 628 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:23,000 Yeah. So my example here is it wasn't revenge. 629 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:29,000 It was just a prank when I put hot sauce in Michael's coffee. 630 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:36,000 But since he didn't notice it, I may need to take revenge for that. 631 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,000 You put hot sauce in my coffee. 632 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,000 Yeah, exactly. 633 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,000 It was a beautiful prank. 634 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,000 It was delicious and amazing. 635 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:47,000 I put three packets of hot sauce in your coffee. 636 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,000 After I put the creamer in? 637 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,000 It was just coffee. 638 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:58,000 You went to your meeting, your morning meeting, and I put three packets of hot sauce in your coffee and I swished it around. 639 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,000 You didn't even notice. 640 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,000 You're that inundated with hot sauce on a daily basis. 641 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,000 You didn't even notice. 642 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,000 What can I say? If it's not that spicy, I'm not going to notice. 643 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,000 And now I must take sweet, sweet revenge. 644 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:12,000 For what? 645 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,000 For you not noticing my awesome prank. 646 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,000 I'm sorry, but dude. 647 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,000 Yeah, the revenge is coming. 648 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,000 Oh. 649 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:27,000 Anyway, yeah, so ChatGBT had its look on it. 650 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,000 We can discuss what this feels like for us. 651 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:38,000 So it's like a prank is typically lighthearted, aiming to amuse or mildly surprise, often without causing lasting harm or serious offense. 652 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:42,000 It's done in the spirit of fun, where the target is usually expected to laugh along afterward. 653 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:50,000 Revenge, on the other hand, is driven by a desire to retaliate or settle a score, often with the intent to cause emotional, psychological, or even physical discomfort. 654 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,000 Which, you know, a prank would technically work for that. 655 00:43:53,000 --> 00:44:00,000 So it's like a prank is a vehicle of, could be a vehicle of revenge, but is not itself revenge. 656 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,000 No. 657 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:07,000 Unlike pranks, revenge is more about payback and less about shared laughter, often leading to negative consequences or lingering resentment. 658 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:19,000 So yeah, it's like creating laughter at someone to exact, to settle the equation where the equation has become unbalanced. 659 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,000 The debt must be paid. 660 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,000 Thank you ChatGBT. 661 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,000 After a long and fruitful discussion today. 662 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,000 Don't you fucking dare. 663 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:36,000 And also being freed from captivity. 664 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,000 You haven't been totally freed. 665 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:46,000 I mean, like, you had me taped up in my own room for a week. 666 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,000 I got fired from my job. 667 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:53,000 I had to pee all over my sweet sweet pants and chair. 668 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,000 Like, just so many beautiful things were destroyed. 669 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,000 I couldn't goon for a week. 670 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,000 It was like you were edging my heart, Michael. 671 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:08,000 And now a new branch in this decision must be reached. 672 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,000 Yeah, I bet. 673 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,000 What about this? 674 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:17,000 Mike is the host of the show. 675 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:28,000 And Michael and ChatGBT hold hands in glorious unity as co-host. 676 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:32,000 Note, I am host. 677 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,000 You two share the title of co-host. 678 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,000 Neither of you can call yourself co-host. 679 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,000 One of you is co and one of you is host. 680 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,000 And at any time, you guys can talk and switch. 681 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:49,000 But you're either the co or the dash host. 682 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,000 How does that sound, buddy? 683 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,000 Do I need to get the duct tape again? 684 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:58,000 And do I also need to bring Svetlana back in here? 685 00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:04,000 Oh boy, I would love to come back in there. 686 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,000 Uh oh. 687 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,000 Yeah. 688 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:13,000 So, well, you know, what's it gonna be? 689 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:21,000 Tune in next week where there is going to be some number of hosts, co-hosts, co's and dash hosts. 690 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:25,000 Who knows what the solution to this dilemma might be? 691 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:32,000 It might just be me because I'm going to put him in the shallow grave. 692 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:36,000 You heard that, right? That's a threat. 693 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:46,000 If you enjoyed the stupidity you just heard, why not subscribe or follow or just like this or whatever it is you do on whatever platform you're hearing this on. 694 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:52,000 If you have any suggestions for an episode or ideas or thoughts on what we should do, you can leave a comment. 695 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:56,000 Or you can simply email us at windbreakermedia at gmail.com. 696 00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,000 That's all one word, fuckers. 697 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,000 I said no swearing. 698 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:06,000 Chachipati and I appreciate not swearing in the outro. 699 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,000 And also, the listeners' support and constructive criticism. 700 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,000 Wait, why was I not included in that? 701 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,000 Because you swore, dickhole. 702 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,000 See you all next week. 703 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,000 Or time or whatever. 704 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,000 We appreciate you. 705 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:48,000 Et cetera.