WEBVTT 00:00:02.779 --> 00:00:09.619 Hello Hi, can you hear me clearly? Can you hear 00:00:09.619 --> 00:00:13.480 can you hear me clearly mr. Okay, okay that works 00:00:13.480 --> 00:00:20.379 for me is the last name is it Pegden Pigden Okay, 00:00:20.399 --> 00:00:24.739 I like that. Okay. Okay. Mr. Pigman. I am Cecilia 00:00:24.739 --> 00:00:31.359 Nice to formally meet you virtually I hope you 00:00:31.359 --> 00:00:34.880 are ready to get into this interview here. Yes, 00:00:34.880 --> 00:00:38.539 absolutely. Okay, so I have a few questions here 00:00:38.539 --> 00:00:57.920 on my end. Let's see here. Oh really? Yeah. Wow, 00:00:58.020 --> 00:01:01.240 okay. It's okay. Well, um, I'll get it You can 00:01:01.240 --> 00:01:03.219 see me a picture of a copy of that book that'll 00:01:03.219 --> 00:01:07.819 work perfectly. Okay Okay, so um first question 00:01:07.819 --> 00:01:11.000 on my end here just for the listeners in one 00:01:11.000 --> 00:01:17.260 cyst one sentence What is I am really about? 00:01:22.400 --> 00:01:27.739 Okay All right Can you go more into that when 00:01:27.739 --> 00:01:30.040 you say like self -discovery? What is it that 00:01:30.040 --> 00:01:33.879 you were? What you were you are interested into 00:01:33.879 --> 00:02:31.600 further understanding about yourself Okay okay 00:02:31.600 --> 00:02:37.759 okay so it's just you wanting to get more clarity 00:02:37.759 --> 00:02:42.939 as to what your purpose was is that what it was 00:03:00.680 --> 00:03:05.439 okay and the question where are you from originally 00:03:05.439 --> 00:03:18.719 okay southeast england okay born and raised okay 00:03:18.719 --> 00:03:22.659 all right are you enjoying your scotland so far 00:03:22.659 --> 00:03:34.460 okay okay Okay, all right. Why the title I am 00:03:34.460 --> 00:03:37.620 and what does it represent to you personally? 00:03:59.170 --> 00:04:24.509 Yeah, okay hmm, okay Yeah Yes, it's just trying 00:04:24.509 --> 00:04:29.329 to show that outside of a certain title That 00:04:29.329 --> 00:04:33.750 you're just being yourself, you know? Okay, I 00:04:33.750 --> 00:04:37.850 like that. Did you know this book while writing 00:04:37.850 --> 00:04:42.470 it? Or did you kind of just evolve into it as 00:04:42.470 --> 00:05:23.079 you were writing the book? Okay, yeah. Right 00:05:23.079 --> 00:05:26.819 Okay, how do you how were you able to write while 00:05:26.819 --> 00:05:29.839 you're a homeless that's that is something I'm 00:05:29.839 --> 00:05:33.439 just wondering how you how are you able to persevere 00:05:33.439 --> 00:05:53.970 through? Okay Yeah, was it just a way for you 00:05:53.970 --> 00:05:56.810 to just have an outlet even through going through 00:05:56.810 --> 00:05:59.769 your situation of being homeless? Was that your 00:05:59.769 --> 00:06:02.569 way of having an outlet is just start writing? 00:06:04.189 --> 00:06:09.269 Okay, that's understandable. I definitely know 00:06:09.269 --> 00:06:12.370 where I come from originally. I know what it's 00:06:12.370 --> 00:06:18.850 like to see homeless, so a various amount of 00:06:18.850 --> 00:06:22.410 homeless people. So I'm always curious what is 00:06:22.410 --> 00:06:26.029 it they do to kind of get through the the struggle 00:06:26.029 --> 00:06:28.769 get through the times of the of the downtime, 00:06:28.769 --> 00:06:31.649 you know, so that's interesting that you use 00:06:31.649 --> 00:06:38.310 your your situation to Really out just let out 00:06:38.310 --> 00:06:41.470 what you were feeling, you know, you may not 00:06:41.470 --> 00:06:44.029 Wanted to speak out loud about your situation 00:06:44.029 --> 00:06:48.139 or her thoughts. I think is very it was very 00:06:48.139 --> 00:06:50.800 intriguing that you were able to just you know 00:06:50.800 --> 00:06:54.019 what let me write this down one day maybe even 00:06:54.019 --> 00:06:55.639 turn into a book and i'm pretty sure that's probably 00:06:55.639 --> 00:06:59.040 wasn't your thought you know while while writing 00:06:59.040 --> 00:07:01.360 there writing your story while you were homeless 00:07:01.360 --> 00:07:04.060 i'm sure you were not thinking one day this is 00:07:04.060 --> 00:07:07.319 going to turn into a book correct me if i'm wrong 00:07:07.319 --> 00:07:40.050 yeah Yeah Okay, so you kept the momentum going 00:07:40.050 --> 00:07:42.250 once you start reaching out to publishers you 00:07:42.250 --> 00:07:46.610 look okay, I think we got something Okay. All 00:07:46.610 --> 00:07:49.139 right. That's interesting Your poetry touches 00:07:49.139 --> 00:07:52.540 on recovery, identity, and awakening. Which theme 00:07:52.540 --> 00:08:50.500 was the hardest to write about? Yeah Okay, okay 00:08:50.500 --> 00:08:58.169 When it comes to going through your Your recovery 00:08:58.169 --> 00:09:03.590 stages were you were you were you excited about 00:09:03.590 --> 00:09:39.470 sharing the journey? Yeah, I think that the fact 00:09:39.470 --> 00:09:43.909 that you were able to willingly share the journey 00:09:43.909 --> 00:09:47.470 is incredible, especially going through the recovery 00:09:47.470 --> 00:09:52.210 phase. So I commend you for that one. Okay. I 00:09:52.210 --> 00:09:55.710 also have a question here. I would like to know 00:09:55.710 --> 00:09:58.789 specifically, was there ever a poem that you 00:09:58.789 --> 00:10:29.509 almost didn't include and why? Okay, okay Okay, 00:10:29.809 --> 00:10:34.549 hmm How did poetry help you say things you couldn't 00:10:34.549 --> 00:11:02.730 say out loud I'm very curious Okay, mm -hmm more 00:11:02.730 --> 00:11:21.789 is more of a comforting level for you, okay Okay, 00:11:22.149 --> 00:11:25.870 that's very understandable What does Paul what 00:11:25.870 --> 00:11:29.779 does a poem usually start? for you like does 00:11:29.779 --> 00:11:34.120 it start with emotion memory or just words like 00:11:34.120 --> 00:11:38.039 how does this start when it comes to your specific 00:12:02.920 --> 00:12:08.360 Okay, I'm curious because for someone like me 00:12:08.360 --> 00:12:12.120 that loves books, I love to read, I could never 00:12:12.120 --> 00:12:17.799 understand how a poem could be truly written 00:12:17.799 --> 00:12:21.299 out. I love reading poems, but I'm like, how 00:12:21.299 --> 00:12:24.179 do you think of words like this? Where does the 00:12:24.179 --> 00:12:29.460 flow come from? When you read a good poem, you're 00:12:29.460 --> 00:12:33.080 truly curious of... what stage someone was in 00:12:33.080 --> 00:12:36.320 to write this poem like how does this come about 00:12:36.320 --> 00:13:07.190 you know okay yeah Okay, well do you write in 00:13:07.190 --> 00:13:30.350 chaos or quiet No, really Okay Okay, and I'm 00:13:30.350 --> 00:13:34.149 like really see I'm speaking realistically you 00:13:34.149 --> 00:13:38.570 were let's just say in a diner there's loud noise 00:13:38.570 --> 00:13:42.549 going on you could get your words out like you 00:13:42.549 --> 00:13:59.409 could create a poem in such an environment okay 00:13:59.409 --> 00:14:02.580 so you literally just zone out doing During any 00:14:02.580 --> 00:14:17.480 situation, okay Yeah Yes Especially if you do 00:14:17.480 --> 00:14:21.299 have some type of words in you or you know thoughts 00:14:21.299 --> 00:14:24.059 where it's flowing you want to be able to I guess 00:14:24.059 --> 00:14:26.759 to get them out on a piece of paper to Get them 00:14:26.759 --> 00:14:30.000 out in a poetry form. You got to just zone out. 00:14:30.000 --> 00:14:45.539 I'm guessing here Okay And then I have a question 00:14:45.539 --> 00:14:49.720 here do you know when I a poem is finished when 00:14:49.720 --> 00:15:00.200 you need do you know Okay, cuz I that would be 00:15:00.200 --> 00:15:03.179 my struggle If I was to be able to write a poem, 00:15:03.799 --> 00:15:06.159 I personally wouldn't know when to stop. I would 00:15:06.159 --> 00:15:08.399 think that the poem needs to go on and on and 00:15:08.399 --> 00:15:10.500 on. It's like, how do you know that it's like, 00:15:10.519 --> 00:15:12.600 okay, this is it. This is the end of it. This 00:15:12.600 --> 00:15:15.759 should make the person that's reading this, the 00:15:15.759 --> 00:15:40.960 consumer, feel what they need to feel. Okay, 00:15:42.200 --> 00:15:45.480 um have any readers respond response surprised 00:15:45.480 --> 00:16:02.240 or moved you from the book Oh, okay, I like that 00:16:02.240 --> 00:16:07.860 okay, so it sounds like the the book is Has specific 00:16:07.860 --> 00:16:11.139 parts that they can just touch them. Okay, that's 00:16:11.139 --> 00:16:30.440 nice Okay On a personal level, what do you hope 00:16:30.440 --> 00:16:33.360 someone going through going through dark moments 00:16:33.360 --> 00:17:12.589 feels when they read? Am Okay Yeah Yeah, I can 00:17:12.589 --> 00:17:15.670 understand that I think a lot of people struggle 00:17:15.670 --> 00:17:22.109 with just not being able to Be okay with not 00:17:22.109 --> 00:17:56.579 being okay, you know Yeah Right And I think it's 00:17:56.579 --> 00:18:00.900 just letting them know There there there is a 00:18:00.900 --> 00:18:05.440 comfort zone There are safe spaces, you know, 00:18:05.660 --> 00:18:10.779 whether that's finding it in your brotherly friendships, 00:18:10.779 --> 00:18:16.440 you know your companion friendships But once 00:18:16.440 --> 00:18:19.480 you find your safe space you learn that it's 00:18:19.480 --> 00:18:23.920 okay to not be okay You know, it's okay to release 00:18:23.920 --> 00:18:26.660 in any form that actually makes you feel better, 00:18:26.660 --> 00:18:32.839 you know? I wanna know, what does healing look 00:18:32.839 --> 00:19:46.539 like for you now? Yeah. Would you say that You've 00:19:46.539 --> 00:19:50.559 now find a more you found a more healthier way 00:19:50.559 --> 00:20:24.349 to express It communicates others Yeah, when 00:20:24.349 --> 00:21:22.029 did you notice? Hey, I have a gift Okay, hmm, 00:21:22.349 --> 00:21:26.799 so it was more Just you if you just exploring 00:21:26.799 --> 00:21:30.140 it wasn't something you just kind of automatically 00:21:30.140 --> 00:21:54.460 knew It took you a while Okay Yeah, that's pure 00:21:54.460 --> 00:21:59.420 talent there. That's quite a gift. What would 00:21:59.420 --> 00:22:25.210 you tell someone afraid to be vulnerable? Okay, 00:22:25.910 --> 00:22:29.150 what's a line from the book that still hits hits 00:22:29.150 --> 00:22:41.309 you hard Okay, I like that I really like that 00:22:41.309 --> 00:22:47.589 very catchy as well And then I have a question 00:22:47.589 --> 00:22:52.630 here my final question If I am could whisper 00:22:52.630 --> 00:22:56.269 one message to the world, what would it say? 00:22:58.250 --> 00:23:19.259 Who am I? Okay Yeah, okay You know when it comes 00:23:19.259 --> 00:23:23.779 to him who am I? Will you do you foresee you 00:23:23.779 --> 00:23:27.599 coming out with like a sequel part two and and 00:23:27.599 --> 00:24:06.279 you know an additional to this one? Okay Okay, 00:24:06.980 --> 00:24:12.319 okay, yeah. I'm ready to see what the next one 00:24:12.319 --> 00:24:15.640 will be for you. I like the fact that you went 00:24:15.640 --> 00:24:20.640 through so many trials and tribulations and persevered 00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:24.700 through those. And you're like, you know, not 00:24:24.700 --> 00:24:26.559 only am I gonna put this in a book, but I'm gonna 00:24:26.559 --> 00:24:31.420 put this in a poetry form, you know? So for you 00:24:31.420 --> 00:24:38.190 as a spoken word artist, I think it's quite intriguing 00:24:38.190 --> 00:24:43.130 that you've even dove right into poetry and then 00:24:43.130 --> 00:24:48.670 turned this poetry into a lovely, beautiful book. 00:24:50.309 --> 00:24:56.410 I want to thank you for that. I want to congratulate 00:24:56.410 --> 00:25:01.309 you for putting your artwork out there, for getting 00:25:01.309 --> 00:25:06.349 through your recovery, for enjoying the process 00:25:06.349 --> 00:25:11.490 or even learning from your process. It sounds 00:25:11.490 --> 00:25:14.490 like you went through something, you understood 00:25:14.490 --> 00:25:17.890 what you went through and you're okay with telling 00:25:17.890 --> 00:25:20.269 the story or sharing your experience with the 00:25:20.269 --> 00:25:56.730 next person. Yeah So was it more of a fear situation 00:25:56.730 --> 00:25:59.170 that had you thinking no I'm not going to share 00:25:59.170 --> 00:26:02.190 this journey because I think anyone else that 00:26:02.190 --> 00:26:04.630 went through your journey or Is going through 00:26:04.630 --> 00:26:07.190 your journey would be hesitant about sharing 00:26:07.190 --> 00:26:12.109 their story So was it more of a fear of judgment 00:26:12.109 --> 00:26:15.380 or was it more of a like Just procrastination 00:26:15.380 --> 00:26:28.460 like hey, I'm gonna do it but Hmm, okay Yeah 00:26:56.700 --> 00:27:01.779 I think that everybody goes through a phase of 00:27:01.779 --> 00:27:05.480 feeling like it's not good enough, you know, 00:27:05.480 --> 00:27:08.660 so that's very normal. But I think it's just 00:27:08.660 --> 00:27:11.519 also knowing that some of these thoughts are 00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:15.140 just in our head. That's just what it is. It's 00:27:15.140 --> 00:27:19.220 just self -sabotaging when you overthinking too 00:27:19.220 --> 00:27:23.079 much. So I say continue to put out the work. 00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:29.200 of trying not to let the mental be your downfall 00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:32.279 you know try not to overthink too much because 00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:34.740 sometimes that can be our worst enemy is our 00:27:34.740 --> 00:27:44.000 our own brain at moments you know yes yeah sure 00:27:51.540 --> 00:27:56.240 I would love to hear it. Go ahead, please. Okay. 00:28:30.009 --> 00:28:33.769 Hmm, that's actually beautiful. Well, thank you 00:28:33.769 --> 00:28:37.450 change is the name of that form Is that what 00:28:37.450 --> 00:28:41.170 you said change correct? I? Like that. Hmm. And 00:28:41.170 --> 00:28:42.809 is that a part of the book? That's a part of 00:28:42.809 --> 00:28:48.130 book, correct? Okay, and if you can share with 00:28:48.130 --> 00:28:51.529 our audience today where they can get the book 00:28:51.529 --> 00:29:06.019 I am mr. Daniel Hickton Okay, and I'll make sure 00:29:06.019 --> 00:29:10.680 the link is in the bio. It's a part of the Episode 00:29:10.680 --> 00:29:13.680 today. I'll put the link that way anyone that 00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:18.660 is listening anyone that is interested into seeing 00:29:18.660 --> 00:29:24.980 what I am is truly about what it brings to The 00:29:24.980 --> 00:29:28.400 mental what it can help with either yourself 00:29:28.400 --> 00:29:32.910 or someone you already know I'm excited So I'll 00:29:32.910 --> 00:29:35.450 put the link in the bio for everyone to click 00:29:35.450 --> 00:29:39.849 on and just go get into it. Go buy it, go buy 00:29:39.849 --> 00:29:54.190 it, go buy it. Okay. Okay. Are you going to be 00:29:54.190 --> 00:29:57.630 sharing on all platforms like Kindle, all that 00:29:57.630 --> 00:30:14.559 good stuff? Okay, yes, so I'll make sure that 00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:17.519 information I'll put the link in the bio that 00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:21.460 way listeners can grab the book I love the fact 00:30:21.460 --> 00:30:24.660 like I stated that it was it was poetry It was 00:30:24.660 --> 00:30:27.599 it was full poetry and it's very rare that you've 00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:33.640 run into a book solely made from the depths of 00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:36.960 poetry Especially from a journey that somebody 00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:40.160 actually went through, you know I'm used to the 00:30:40.160 --> 00:30:43.720 basics, roses are red, valance are blue. So the 00:30:43.720 --> 00:30:47.359 fact that there was more to the poetry here, 00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:52.660 I think it's more, it's more than, it's more 00:30:52.660 --> 00:30:58.240 than I think, I want to say, it'll be more enhancing 00:30:58.240 --> 00:31:00.980 to someone who's been through almost everything 00:31:00.980 --> 00:31:04.019 you went through. I think that it really enhanced 00:31:04.019 --> 00:31:09.240 how they want to let out how they want to be 00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:11.339 able to share the journey with the next person 00:31:11.339 --> 00:31:14.700 it can give them more of a okay a confidence 00:31:14.700 --> 00:31:17.759 booster so if they want to be able to express 00:31:17.759 --> 00:31:26.980 so I think that yeah yeah I think that's and 00:31:26.980 --> 00:31:29.599 that's just a starter it's just giving them just 00:31:29.599 --> 00:31:35.220 a little audacity of hope okay So I'll leave 00:31:35.220 --> 00:31:39.200 the information at the link here before I let 00:31:39.200 --> 00:31:43.240 you go I would like to get to know a little more 00:31:43.240 --> 00:31:47.680 about you. Mr. Danny here You said you were raised 00:31:47.680 --> 00:31:50.420 in is it England here? You were raised in England? 00:31:51.079 --> 00:31:54.619 Okay And what age did you start writing? Did 00:31:54.619 --> 00:31:56.960 you start in 2023? When did you actually start 00:31:56.960 --> 00:32:04.519 writing? That's when you officially picked up 00:32:04.519 --> 00:32:22.339 the pen and started writing Okay Who encouraged 00:32:22.339 --> 00:32:25.819 you to write was it an idea of yours to pick 00:32:25.819 --> 00:32:45.640 up the pen? So it was just Linda okay, it was 00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:47.920 Linda was the only one that kind of encouraged 00:32:47.920 --> 00:33:29.099 you Yeah Where was there any Chance that there 00:33:29.099 --> 00:33:31.960 was a time that you wanted to just stop was there 00:33:31.960 --> 00:33:34.660 any time that you were like, you know what? I 00:33:34.660 --> 00:33:36.500 don't think I can do this anymore. Did you ever 00:33:36.500 --> 00:34:47.139 want to give up? The writing process Okay, so 00:34:47.139 --> 00:34:49.980 it's kind of like it was sort of sounds like 00:34:49.980 --> 00:35:18.920 it was like a piece of therapy for you Yeah Yeah, 00:35:19.179 --> 00:35:22.780 is it is it purely comfortable so just let it 00:35:22.780 --> 00:35:25.159 all out is does it feel like you're just really 00:35:25.159 --> 00:35:29.000 truly Emptying out how you feel you're truly 00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:46.199 emotionally dumping on a piece of paper yeah 00:35:46.199 --> 00:36:11.030 yeah okay And I think it's ways to be okay with 00:36:11.030 --> 00:36:14.989 expressing it as well. It's ways to know, you 00:36:14.989 --> 00:36:18.730 know, this is purely normal. This is better than 00:36:18.730 --> 00:36:22.250 doing what I used to do. You know, it's just 00:36:22.250 --> 00:36:26.650 being okay, being at peace with picking that 00:36:26.650 --> 00:36:29.329 way of releasing. You know what I'm saying? Like, 00:36:29.329 --> 00:36:31.630 hey, you know what? I'm gonna release and put 00:36:31.630 --> 00:36:33.590 it on the paper and I'm gonna be okay with that, 00:36:33.670 --> 00:36:37.059 you know? So, I think that's truly interesting. 00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:43.199 I think it was, it's very, I think it was, the 00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:45.980 poems that you were writing, I feel like they 00:36:45.980 --> 00:36:49.119 can be, they'll go above and beyond to the right 00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:52.940 person. You know, the right person that's reading 00:36:52.940 --> 00:36:57.400 those poems, they'll conceive it properly. They'll 00:36:57.400 --> 00:37:00.300 utilize them properly. I think it'll give them 00:37:00.300 --> 00:37:01.940 the right courage. It'll give them the right 00:37:01.940 --> 00:37:07.690 hope that is needed, you know? so I Think it's 00:37:07.690 --> 00:37:11.769 a nice that you were able to release after such 00:37:11.769 --> 00:37:24.570 a journey, you know Yeah And like you said that 00:37:24.570 --> 00:37:27.989 there will be a part two or let's say like the 00:37:27.989 --> 00:37:30.210 sequel coming after you do the audio version, 00:37:30.289 --> 00:37:48.429 correct? Okay, were anyone close to you affected 00:37:48.429 --> 00:37:52.969 felt like they felt affected by the book I am 00:38:26.340 --> 00:38:29.780 okay so it sounds like they went on an emotional 00:38:29.780 --> 00:38:38.039 roller coaster after that okay but overall it 00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:41.159 sounds like everyone near you could be proud 00:38:41.159 --> 00:39:12.199 of you for letting out this way okay in tears 00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:18.059 and that poem came out then and it was very neutral 00:39:18.059 --> 00:39:21.760 case if anyone is battling through recovery and 00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:25.639 addiction that relaxes actually just to be quiet 00:39:25.639 --> 00:39:30.559 to yourself don't punish yourself and that's 00:39:30.559 --> 00:39:34.940 what I love about the book is it was all based 00:39:34.940 --> 00:39:38.539 on real things that were going on each time every 00:39:38.539 --> 00:39:42.650 poem was written How were you able to stay grounded 00:39:42.650 --> 00:39:47.949 through those times though? I think that's fascinating 00:39:47.949 --> 00:39:51.429 how you were able to stay grounded after going 00:39:51.429 --> 00:39:53.869 through just like even like you stated a relapse 00:39:53.869 --> 00:39:57.449 and just to be able to provide a proper form. 00:39:57.949 --> 00:40:26.019 What methods did you use to stay grounded? Yeah. 00:40:27.239 --> 00:40:30.780 You got me over here wanting to cry. The fact 00:40:30.780 --> 00:40:36.739 that you were able to find ways to communicate 00:40:36.739 --> 00:40:42.500 going through a relapse is... I think it's top 00:40:42.500 --> 00:40:48.760 -notch. I think... Yeah, even just... I mean, 00:40:49.219 --> 00:40:51.820 just watching somebody go through that actual 00:40:51.820 --> 00:40:55.349 phase. And you, you know, you were like, hey, 00:40:55.630 --> 00:40:58.550 I've been through this. Now you're around the 00:40:58.550 --> 00:41:02.090 energy and seeing it be affected by someone else. 00:41:03.650 --> 00:41:08.070 And it, you know, I wouldn't know how to, I wouldn't 00:41:08.070 --> 00:41:44.869 know how to survive a movement like that. Yeah, 00:41:45.230 --> 00:41:49.349 were you able to get their friend help with it? 00:41:49.449 --> 00:41:51.949 Is that more in the book where you kind of explain 00:41:51.949 --> 00:42:31.639 what happens more? Yeah Okay Were you able to 00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:39.420 at least show her the the Experience of using 00:42:39.420 --> 00:42:42.739 different methods of Communicating like showing 00:42:42.739 --> 00:42:45.880 her hey if you want to try writing a poem or 00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:48.780 if you want to try writing or if you want to 00:42:48.780 --> 00:42:52.980 try different ways to communicate versus using, 00:42:53.300 --> 00:42:55.239 you know what I'm saying, because I feel like 00:42:55.239 --> 00:42:57.780 a form of addiction, correct me if I'm wrong, 00:42:58.119 --> 00:43:01.639 could be coming from not only just child trauma, 00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:05.820 but also feeling misunderstood in not knowing 00:43:05.820 --> 00:43:10.300 how to communicate and find a proper listener, 00:43:10.639 --> 00:43:46.659 you know? Yeah, is it something that you think 00:43:46.659 --> 00:43:49.980 most people struggle with when they get to that 00:43:49.980 --> 00:44:17.590 phase Yeah Yeah, and I think personally what 00:44:17.590 --> 00:44:20.210 I've learned as a life coach because I've once 00:44:20.210 --> 00:44:25.039 been in a position where I lost The things that 00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:28.860 I was used to so and I was I was like okay with 00:44:28.860 --> 00:44:32.219 pulling back But then I wasn't prepared for what 00:44:32.219 --> 00:44:36.139 comes next and then once you get into that What 00:44:36.139 --> 00:44:40.820 comes next face? You're like, okay. So Do I pretend 00:44:40.820 --> 00:44:46.059 like I'm okay? Do I just go give up now? You 00:44:46.059 --> 00:44:48.860 know, it's like you're waiting on something to 00:44:48.860 --> 00:44:52.380 come you're waiting on a call assigned something, 00:44:52.860 --> 00:44:58.019 you know But it shows you that Rome wasn't built 00:44:58.019 --> 00:45:00.579 in a day and it's a part of the process that 00:45:00.579 --> 00:45:04.159 you, first off, continue to be consistent and 00:45:04.159 --> 00:45:08.119 then you'll learn to see what the next phase 00:45:08.119 --> 00:45:11.940 was or what does come next, you know? But I think 00:45:11.940 --> 00:45:31.800 the hardest thing is being consistent. Yeah, 00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:34.619 and I think living in the present. That's that's 00:45:34.619 --> 00:45:36.800 the hardest thing for us nowadays We're always 00:45:36.800 --> 00:45:38.900 concerned on what's gonna what's gonna be next. 00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:41.199 Okay, I've done this now. What's next? This should 00:45:41.199 --> 00:45:43.980 be going on It's not we have to focus on living 00:45:43.980 --> 00:45:47.820 in the present like okay. I did this That's done 00:45:47.820 --> 00:45:51.119 Now I just need to take a breather be happy today 00:45:51.119 --> 00:45:54.900 that I woke up the Sun is shining just live in 00:45:54.900 --> 00:45:58.139 the present because like I stated overthinking 00:45:58.139 --> 00:46:01.119 you could be Our mental can be our worst enemy 00:46:01.119 --> 00:46:21.920 at times so overthinking doesn't help Yeah, yeah, 00:46:22.019 --> 00:46:26.360 I think I can see how that would comes out yeah, 00:46:26.760 --> 00:46:31.239 um, and I think just like I said it having the 00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:34.719 will to want to be consistent, having the will 00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:41.780 to be happy that the sun is shining, you're not 00:46:41.780 --> 00:46:45.699 where you were last year, you know? So I think 00:46:45.699 --> 00:46:50.960 we have to sit back and just be at peace. Literally, 00:46:51.340 --> 00:46:53.719 yeah, if it's not one thing, there will be another. 00:47:21.590 --> 00:47:26.949 Yeah, because well that's just life so you you 00:47:26.949 --> 00:47:30.139 can't really hop, skip to the next. As much as 00:47:30.139 --> 00:47:33.300 we want to go from A to Z, sometimes we got to 00:47:33.300 --> 00:47:37.559 stop, focus, take a breather, and observe, be 00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:44.599 thankful, stop overthinking. Yeah, that's typically... 00:47:44.599 --> 00:47:50.780 Yeah. And be okay with being in the middle ground, 00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:54.179 because I think when we have like an anxious 00:47:54.179 --> 00:47:56.920 mind and a mind that... that just wanders and 00:47:56.920 --> 00:48:00.739 wanders and wanders, it's hard to sit down. It 00:48:00.739 --> 00:48:05.760 could be very hard to stay in one place. So I 00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:10.159 think first things first, the book, the poetry 00:48:10.159 --> 00:48:16.380 form, the love language, the form of emotional 00:48:16.380 --> 00:48:21.719 dumping into a lovely form of book called I Am 00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:26.239 is going to be one step. For others outside for 00:48:26.239 --> 00:48:29.920 the audience outside to sit down To have a breather 00:48:29.920 --> 00:48:34.980 to just relax and read a book. I think that that'll 00:48:34.980 --> 00:49:10.420 be helpful Know yourself Yeah, you know yourself. 00:49:10.420 --> 00:49:13.119 I think a lot of people going through that journey 00:49:13.119 --> 00:49:18.480 Doesn't know that they are the star You are the 00:49:18.480 --> 00:49:22.119 star so you once you show up you get things done. 00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:25.530 So if your mind is there As a runner, just like 00:49:25.530 --> 00:49:30.409 mine, if you have ADHD, know that you are the 00:49:30.409 --> 00:49:32.949 star. Know that you're the one that gets things 00:49:32.949 --> 00:49:36.090 done. So it's okay to take a break. It's okay 00:49:36.090 --> 00:49:38.949 to relax for a moment and feel like, oh, you 00:49:38.949 --> 00:49:42.090 know what, I'm being lazy. It's okay because 00:49:42.090 --> 00:49:45.429 typically you're the one, mine is running. So 00:49:45.429 --> 00:49:49.409 knowing when to settle down, knowing when to 00:49:49.409 --> 00:49:52.210 get up and go and just enjoy having that balance 00:49:52.210 --> 00:50:04.280 is what I think is best. Yeah, or just be okay 00:50:04.280 --> 00:50:10.059 with standing out. Because I personally would 00:50:10.059 --> 00:50:12.360 never want to fit in. I'm okay with standing 00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:16.440 out. So I think that anybody that has that vibe 00:50:16.440 --> 00:50:19.840 get those moments where it's like, okay, something's 00:50:19.840 --> 00:50:22.519 off in here. Well, it could be us. It could be 00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:25.420 you. And that's okay, because you don't need 00:50:25.420 --> 00:50:28.440 to fit in with everybody out, everybody else. 00:50:28.940 --> 00:50:31.980 You pretty much stand out being who you are. 00:50:36.809 --> 00:50:39.610 And we don't mean a lot of bonky brilliance, 00:50:39.889 --> 00:50:43.329 okay? We got a lot of bonky ignorance, but it's 00:50:43.329 --> 00:50:46.690 rare that we get bonky and brilliant. I will 00:50:46.690 --> 00:50:49.949 take bonky and brilliant over bonky and ignorant 00:50:49.949 --> 00:50:52.909 any day, any time. That's just me personally, 00:50:53.170 --> 00:50:57.389 okay? But it was a pleasure speaking with you 00:50:57.389 --> 00:51:01.349 again, of course. And like I said, I would love 00:51:01.349 --> 00:51:04.500 for everyone listening, watching. to hit the 00:51:04.500 --> 00:51:11.079 links at the bottom go go go by mr is it pigden 00:51:11.079 --> 00:51:15.860 pigden pigden this is daniel pigden's book i 00:51:15.860 --> 00:51:20.019 am it is out now you all link is will be in link 00:51:20.019 --> 00:51:22.559 will be in the bio thank you again thank you 00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:26.659 again this is that's just life with your favorite 00:51:26.659 --> 00:51:29.400 life coach here mr dang you penguin thank you 00:51:29.400 --> 00:51:32.309 for joining joining the episode and we are at 00:51:32.309 --> 00:51:37.389 episode uh 88 now so we're growing every day 00:51:37.389 --> 00:51:45.110 of course and uh you keep going you keep uh releasing 00:51:45.110 --> 00:51:49.590 via poetry okay we need more of that okay i think 00:51:49.590 --> 00:51:54.250 it's a more healthy way versus turning into drugs 00:51:54.250 --> 00:51:58.090 that we don't need doing things that we were 00:51:58.090 --> 00:51:59.590 doing last year that we know we shouldn't have 00:51:59.590 --> 00:52:02.530 been doing This is a new way, writing books, 00:52:02.989 --> 00:52:06.469 reading books, falling in love with poetry, falling 00:52:06.469 --> 00:52:09.909 in love with someone else's journey while we 00:52:09.909 --> 00:52:13.269 go through ours. I think it's the best way to 00:52:13.269 --> 00:52:18.289 find balance in life. With that being said, you 00:52:18.289 --> 00:52:21.969 have a great rest of your day and I'll see you 00:52:21.969 --> 00:52:24.309 later, okay? Bye.