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All right, let's jump into this paper about Psi Agents.

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The title is, kind of long.

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Psi Agents, automating scientific discovery through bio-inspired, multi-agent, intelligent

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graph reasoning.

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But the idea is really cool.

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Using AI to speed up scientific breakthroughs, especially with bio-inspired materials.

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And we're going straight to the source for this deep dive.

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Excerpts from the research paper itself.

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So get ready for some cutting-edge stuff.

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It is fascinating work when you think about all the scientific data out there.

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It's a lot, even for really smart people.

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Psi Agents tries to deal with that by going through all this data and finding hidden connections

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to suggest new research.

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So it's like a super-powered research system.

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Psi Agents builds what's called a knowledge graph.

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It's basically a map of scientific concepts taken from a ton of research papers.

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And then it uses specialized AI agents.

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Hold on.

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Like secret agents.

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Not exactly.

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But it's a good analogy.

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These AI agents have different roles.

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Some map out interesting connections.

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Some look into the specifics of some research.

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And others are like critics.

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Evaluating the research proposals.

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Just like a tough peer reviewer would.

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That's pretty wild.

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So it's like a whole team of AI researchers all working together.

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Exactly.

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And the researchers behind Psi Agents tested two versions of this system.

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The first one is what they call pre-programmed AI teamwork.

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Imagine a play that's been rehearsed a lot.

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Each agent knows its part and what to do.

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So it's reliable, but maybe not very flexible.

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And what about the second version?

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That's where it gets really interesting.

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It's called Autonomous AI Collaboration.

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Here the AI agents actually figure out their own workflow.

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It's more like a jazz band improvising.

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They listen to each other, adjust how they play, and create something new and exciting.

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They even check their ideas against existing research.

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So they make sure they're on the right track.

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That's really cool.

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So the paper mentioned this example with silk and energy intensive.

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What happened there?

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That's one of the most exciting parts.

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Psi Agents came up with a new material idea.

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A silk composite material strengthened with pigments extracted from dandelions.

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Dandelions, that's not what I would have guessed.

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It's amazing Psi Agents realized that traditional silk processing uses a lot of energy.

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So it suggested this new composite that could be made using a low energy process.

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And what's the result?

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A material that could be even stronger than regular silk.

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Beautifully colored from the pigments and much more sustainable.

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Like a super silk.

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But eco-friendly.

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And there's more Psi Agents even speculated about other potential properties.

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Like self-healing capabilities.

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It's amazing how it goes beyond just combining ideas and starts to think about completely

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new possibilities.

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That's incredible.

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So how does Psi Agents come up with these ideas?

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Does it just randomly put concepts together?

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Not at all.

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It looks at the knowledge graphs systematically.

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Using relationships between different concepts and research findings.

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So in this case, it found research on strengthening silk with other materials.

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And connected that with research on dandelion pigments.

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So it's not random.

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It's a logical process.

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It is.

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It's data driven.

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So it's not replacing scientists then.

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It's giving them a new tool.

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To explore ideas and make connections they might not have seen.

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But it can process huge amounts of information much faster than any human team and find those

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hidden connections.

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But it's still just a tool.

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The ideas need to be tested.

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Of course.

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And validated in the real world.

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That's important.

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Some of the ideas might be great, but others might not be possible with the technology

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we have now.

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So it's like a blueprint for a futuristic invention.

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We might have the idea, but not the tech to build it yet.

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Even if an idea is ahead of its time, it still shows us where we could go with future research.

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So it's like a guide.

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More than a rule book.

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I like that.

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And it's not just about brainstorming ideas.

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The paper talks about how important critical review is.

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In both the pre-programmed and autonomous versions, there's a critic agent.

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This agent's job is to really look at the proposed research.

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So it's like quality control.

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It looks for weaknesses in the idea.

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Potential problems with how they want to do the research and areas where the research

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could be better.

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So it's not just about wild ideas.

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It's about making sure they're good ideas.

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Yes.

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It's about using good science.

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That's where the real power is then.

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I think so.

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It combines creativity with a critical approach.

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Just like the best scientists.

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You keep comparing it to human scientists.

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It seems like the researchers really want to make it clear that CyAgence is a tool.

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A replacement.

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Absolutely.

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They know that AI can't be a black box for it to be helpful in science.

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It needs to be transparent, explainable, and accountable.

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So it's about humans and AI working together.

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A partnership.

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Not a takeover.

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And speaking of bioinspiration, the way CyAgence works is pretty bioinspired itself.

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That's true.

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How so?

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The researchers said their multi-agent system is similar to swarm intelligence.

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It's like how biological systems solve problems through working together and adapting.

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So not just the results are bioinspired, but how it works is too.

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The agents interact dynamically.

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Like a colony of ants or a flock of birds.

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Each agent shares what it knows and they adapt their behavior based on feedback from the

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system.

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It makes you wonder if we can create better AI.

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By studying how nature solves problems.

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The researchers see CyAgence as a first step.

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Showing what's possible when we combine AI with our understanding of nature.

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So where do we go from here?

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What are the next steps for CyAgence in AI-driven discovery?

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Well, the researchers have some exciting ideas.

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They think that using CyAgence with simulation tools would be huge.

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What do you mean?

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Even if the AI could not only come up with ideas, but also run virtual experiments.

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To test them out.

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Like a virtual lab.

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That's cool.

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Where CyAgence can try out and improve its ideas before even meeting a real lab.

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And they also talk about making a universal knowledge graph.

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What would that do?

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It would connect ideas from different areas of science.

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So CyAgence could find even more unexpected connections.

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So it's not just about bioinspired materials.

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We could be talking about new laws of physics.

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New medicines.

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Even solutions to some of the biggest problems we face.

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It's pretty amazing.

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But of course there's still more to do.

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Like what?

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We need to keep improving these AI systems.

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I don't know.

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Make them stronger, more transparent and accountable.

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And we need to make sure they're used ethically.

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For the good of everyone.

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This research feels like a big step forward for AI-driven science.

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It shows that the future of science isn't just about what humans can do.

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It's about using AI to help us understand the universe.

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And our place in it.

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That's true.

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This research really makes you think.

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What do you mean?

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Well, it brings up some deep questions.

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About creativity.

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About how chance discoveries happen.

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Even about the connection between humans and AI.

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It's like this research isn't just about science.

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It's about what it means to be human.

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In a world that's changing because of AI.

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So to our listener, we'll leave you with this.

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If AI can help us understand nature, what can we learn about ourselves along the way?

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That's a good question.

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What discoveries might be possible when we combine human and artificial intelligence?

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Those are questions worth exploring.

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And with tools like sci-agents, we might find the answer sooner than we think.

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There is another interesting one.

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So, we have transfer performance and ramphothaca.

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Ramphothaca.

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What's that?

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That's the beak of a bird.

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So, bird beaks and heat transfer.

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Pretty interesting.

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It's a strange combination.

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Sci-agents looked at the knowledge graph.

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And suggested making biomimetic microfluidic chips.

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Based on bird beaks.

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How would that work?

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The goal was to improve how well these chips transfer heat.

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Which could be really useful for things like biomedical applications.

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So, they're taking inspiration from how bird beaks regulate temperature.

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And using those same ideas to design microchips.

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It even suggested ways to make them...

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Like soft lithography.

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And it predicted some benefits.

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What kind of benefits?

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Like better mechanical stability.

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And biocompatibility.

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So, it's not just copying nature.

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It's understanding how it works.

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Yes.

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And it's playing those principles in a new way.

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And that's just one example.

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There are a bunch of different concept pairs.

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The researchers tested Sci-agents with a bunch.

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And what did it come up with?

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Some pretty wild ideas.

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Like what?

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Things like materials based on collagen.

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For better crash-worthiness.

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Super hydrophobic coatings.

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What are those?

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They're inspired by Nacre.

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Nacre?

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You know, Mother of Pearl.

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They're even bioelectronic devices.

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Using graphene and amyloid fibrils.

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Sounds like there are tons of possibilities.

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Seems like it.

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But you said earlier that not all the ideas are actually possible yet.

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That's true.

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How does Sci-agents deal with that?

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technology.

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That doesn't exist yet.

278
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Right.

279
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Before we can actually make them.

280
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So it's like having a blueprint.

281
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Yeah.

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For something we don't know how to build.

283
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Exactly.

284
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We have the idea.

285
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But not the tools yet.

286
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But those ideas could still be useful.

287
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Definitely.

288
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Even if they're ahead of their time, they give scientists a direction.

289
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Okay.

290
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A place to start their research.

291
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So it's more of a guide.

292
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Yes.

293
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Than a rule book.

294
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Right.

295
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And it's not just about coming up with ideas.

296
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Okay.

297
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The paper also talks about how important it is to have a critical review.

298
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So with both versions of Sci-agents, there's a critic agent.

299
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Interesting.

300
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What does that do?

301
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The first job is to look closely at the research that's being proposed.

302
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Oh.

303
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So it's like quality control.

304
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Yeah.

305
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Exactly.

306
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The critic looks for weak spots.

307
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Okay.

308
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Problems with the methods and areas where the research could be improved.

309
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So it's not just about having any idea.

310
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Right.

311
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It's about making sure it's a good idea.

312
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Exactly.

313
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It's about having a strong scientific foundation.

314
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That's where the real strength of Sci-agents comes in then.

315
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I think so.

316
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It's the balance.

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Between creativity.

318
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Yeah.

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And being critical.

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Like a good scientist.

321
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Exactly.

322
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It's interesting that the paper keeps coming back to that comparison.

323
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Between Sci-agents and human scientists.

324
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It seems like the researchers are really trying to emphasize that Sci-agents is a tool.

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Not a replacement.

326
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Absolutely.

327
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They understand that AI can't be a mystery.

328
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It can't be a black box.

329
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Right.

330
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For it to be truly helpful in science, it needs to be transparent.

331
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We need to be able to understand it.

332
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And it needs to be accountable.

333
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So it's about humans and AI working together.

334
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Yes.

335
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It's a collaboration.

336
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Yeah.

337
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Not a replacement.

338
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And speaking of bio-inspiration.

339
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Yeah.

340
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The way Sci-agents works is actually pretty bio-inspired itself.

341
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It is.

342
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How so?

343
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Well, the researchers said that their multi-agent system is similar to swarm intelligence.

344
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Interesting.

345
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It's like how biological systems solve complex problems by working together and adapting.

346
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So it's not just the results that are bio-inspired.

347
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Right.

348
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But the way Sci-agents works is too.

349
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Exactly.

350
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It's like a swarm.

351
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Okay.

352
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The agents are all interacting.

353
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A colony of ants.

354
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Or a flock of birds.

355
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Each agent has its own expertise.

356
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Okay.

357
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And they change their behavior based on feedback from the system.

358
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So it's adapting all the time.

359
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Yeah.

360
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It's constantly learning and changing.

361
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It makes you wonder if we can create even better AI systems.

362
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I think so.

363
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By studying how nature does things.

364
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Yeah.

365
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That's what the researchers think too.

366
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They see Sci-agents as a first step.

367
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A proof of concept.

368
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Right.

369
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It shows what's possible when we combine AI with a deep understanding of nature's design

370
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principles.

371
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So where do we go from here?

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That's the big question.

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What are the next steps for Sci-agents?

374
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And for AI-driven discovery in general, the researchers have some interesting ideas for

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the future.

376
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Like what?

377
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They think that combining Sci-agents with simulation tools would be a big step.

378
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So the AI could actually run experiments.

379
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Exactly.

380
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It could test out its ideas virtually.

381
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Kind of like a virtual laboratory.

382
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Yeah.

383
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Before even needing a real lab.

384
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That would be amazing.

385
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And they also talk about creating a universal knowledge graph.

386
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Okay.

387
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What would that be?

388
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Well, it would connect information from all different areas of science.

389
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So Sci-agents could make even more connections.

390
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Right.

391
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Connections that we might never think of.

392
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So it's not just about bio-inspired materials anymore?

393
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No.

394
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Not at all.

395
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We're talking about discovering new laws of physics.

396
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Wow.

397
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Or designing new medicines.

398
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Mm-hmm.

399
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Maybe even finding solutions to some of the world's biggest problems.

400
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That's pretty incredible.

401
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But like you said before, there's still work to be done.

402
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Of course.

403
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There always is.

404
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We need to keep making these AI systems better.

405
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Okay.

406
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So making them more reliable?

407
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Yes.

408
00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:02,480
Yes.

409
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More transparent too.

410
00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:04,480
Yeah.

411
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So we can understand how they work.

412
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And accountable.

413
00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:07,480
Right.

414
00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:08,480
We need to make sure they're used for good.

415
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For everyone's benefit.

416
00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:10,480
Exactly.

417
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This research feels like a really important step forward.

418
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I agree.

419
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It shows the potential of AI.

420
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For helping us understand the world around us.

421
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And maybe even ourselves.

422
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This research brings up some deep questions.

423
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What do you mean?

424
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Well, it makes you think about what creativity really is.

425
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Mm-hmm.

426
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And the role of chance in making discoveries.

427
00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:36,280
And it even makes you think about the relationship between humans and AI.

428
00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:37,840
It's about more than just science then.

429
00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:38,840
I think so.

430
00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:39,840
Yeah.

431
00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,000
It's about what it means to be human in a world with AI.

432
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That's a good point.

433
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So to our listener, we'll leave you with this thought.

434
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Okay.

435
00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:50,760
If AI can help us unlock the secrets of nature.

436
00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:51,760
Yeah.

437
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What might we learn about ourselves along the way?

438
00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,640
That's a fascinating question to consider.

439
00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:02,400
What incredible discoveries might be waiting for us when we combine human intelligence

440
00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,320
with artificial intelligence?

441
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It's exciting to think about.

442
00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:07,880
And with tools like Psi Agents.

443
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Yeah.

444
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We might be on the verge of something truly amazing.

445
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Thanks for joining us on this deep dive into Psi Agents.

446
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It's been a pleasure.

