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Hey everyone and welcome back, ready for another deep dive.

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Always.

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Awesome.

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So today we're looking into something pretty amazing

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in the world of AI.

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You know how we always hear about bigger and better AI models.

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Right.

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Well, what if I told you there's this new law emerging

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that's all about making those models smarter and smaller.

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Interesting.

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At the same time.

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Yeah.

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It's called the Densing Law.

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And it's gonna like change how we think about AI,

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especially when we're talking about using it

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on everyday devices like our phones.

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Right.

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So pretty interesting stuff.

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We're gonna be checking out the paper,

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Densing Law of LLMs today.

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Sounds good.

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So this paper really tackles that tension

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between like wanting really powerful AI

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but needing it to run efficiently.

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Yeah.

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On something like a smartphone.

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Exactly.

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We're talking about a potential future

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where your phone has the brain power

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of some of today's most advanced AI systems

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without needing like a supercomputer to back it up.

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Exactly.

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It's crazy.

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So okay, so I think we need to break down

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this whole Densing Law thing.

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I read the paper and it's a little dense even for me.

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Where do we even begin?

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Well, I think the best place to start

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is with capacity density.

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Imagine you have like this giant toolbox

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overflowing with tools,

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but you only really need like a handful

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to build something amazing.

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That's kind of what's happening with these AI models.

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They have tons of parameters

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which are like the tools in the toolbox,

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but they might not be using all of them effectively.

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Oh, so it's not just about having a huge AI model.

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It's how efficiently that model uses its resources.

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Yes, exactly.

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Interesting.

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So does that mean that a smaller model

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with a high capacity density

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could actually be more powerful than

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potentially a much larger model

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that's less efficient?

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You got it.

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And that's what this Densing Law is pointing to.

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Okay.

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The researchers found that the maximum capacity density

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of open source LLMs,

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those are the AI that power things

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like chatbots and text generators,

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is doubling about every three months.

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Every three months.

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Hold on, that's insanely fast.

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It is.

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What does it even mean for like someone like me

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who uses AI every day?

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Think of it this way.

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Remember Moore's Law.

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That's so many transistors.

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It's a chip.

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It's about squeezing more and more transistors

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onto a chip, making computers more powerful.

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And the Densing Law,

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it's doing something similar for AI.

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Wow.

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We're squeezing more intelligence

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into a smaller package.

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So you're saying in a few months,

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we could have the same performance

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as a large AI today.

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But with a model half its size.

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Wait, so that means my phone could be running

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something as good as chatGPT.

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Uh-huh.

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In your future,

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without, you know, killing my battery.

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That's the idea.

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That's a game changer.

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This is the kind of future the research is hinting at.

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And they have some pretty good evidence.

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Like this model called Mini CPM1 2.4B

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released back in February.

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And it managed to do about the same

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as the Mistral 7B model.

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Which came out.

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Which came out in September of last year,

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but using only 35% of the parameters.

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That's a huge difference in size.

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So the size of the model still matters.

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Of course.

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But this dinsing law is like suggesting

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that we could be entering a world

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where those massive models.

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The power hungry ones.

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Become a thing of the past.

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Exactly.

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It's not about raw size anymore.

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It's about using your resources well.

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So smart AI.

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And you know what?

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This actually has some pretty big implications

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for the cost of running these AI models too.

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Oh really?

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So we're talking more powerful, smaller,

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more efficient.

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And cheaper to run.

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It's all thanks to this dinsing law.

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That almost sounds too good to be true.

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I know, right?

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What's the catch?

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Well, there are definitely some challenges

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that researchers are still working through.

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Like what?

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One of the big ones is figuring out

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how to measure AI model performance

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across different tasks.

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In a way that's fair.

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And comprehensive.

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So we gotta make sure we're comparing apples to apples.

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Exactly.

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When we talk about capacity density.

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That makes sense.

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Uh huh.

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So how is this dinsing law actually like playing out

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in the real world?

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Are there any examples besides many CPM?

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There are actually quite a few.

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And researchers are finding that even in things like

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image recognition and natural language processing.

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Smaller models with high capacity density

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are starting to do as well

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as their larger counterparts.

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Oh wow.

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It's becoming pretty clear that this dinsing law

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isn't just some fluke.

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It's a trend that could like fundamentally change

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how we design and develop AI.

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That's huge.

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But how are researchers actually getting these improvements

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in capacity density?

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It sounds like magic.

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It's not magic.

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It's really clever engineering.

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One of the things that is helping

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is the increasing scale and quality of the data

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used to train the models.

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So like if you wanna teach a kid a new language,

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you give them lots of books and conversations

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and experiences, right?

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And it's the same with AI.

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The more high quality data you feed it,

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the better it learns.

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So it's like we're giving these AI models

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a bigger and better library to learn from.

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That's a great way to put it.

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Cool.

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And along with better data,

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we're also seeing some incredible innovations

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in the algorithms and model architectures.

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And those are...

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Like the brains of the AI system.

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Researchers are finding new ways

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to streamline these models.

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You know, pruning away unnecessary connections

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and optimizing how they think.

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So they can do more with less?

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So it's smarter learning.

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Thanks to better data.

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And then more efficient thinking.

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Uh-huh.

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Because of better algorithms and architectures.

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So they're like optimizing every aspect of the AI engine.

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And this is leading to a big shift

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in how we think about developing AI.

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In what way?

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The paper argues that we should move

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from a performance-centric approach.

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To a density-centric one.

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Okay, so instead of just chasing higher scores

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on benchmarks.

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Which usually means bigger models.

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To prioritize building models that hit those scores.

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But use less resources.

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That's the idea.

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Because what's the point of super powerful AI?

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If it's too expensive or uses too much energy to run.

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It's like having a car that's super fast.

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But it only gets like one mile per gallon.

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It's about finding the right balance

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between performance and efficiency.

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And it's interesting.

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The paper actually makes a connection

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between this trend in AI and Moore's Law.

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Moore's Law.

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Remind me, that's how many transistors

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you can fit on a chip, right?

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I mean, you can fit on a limited area.

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But how does that relate to AI?

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Well, think of it this way.

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Just as chip makers are focused on squeezing

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more transistors onto a chip.

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To make computers more powerful.

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AI developers are now trying to get more capacity density

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out of their models.

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So it's all about getting more bang for your buck

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in terms of computing resources.

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So it's not just about making AI models bigger.

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It's about making them smarter and more efficient.

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Just like with computer chips.

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And this trend could make AI much more accessible.

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You mean like democratize it?

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That's exactly what I mean.

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If we can build smaller, more efficient models that

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still perform well, then AI tools

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could be available to way more people.

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Oh, wow.

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Think about students in developing countries

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using advanced AI tutors right on their phones.

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Or small businesses using AI analytics

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to compete with bigger companies.

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That's a powerful vision.

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It's like leveling the playing field.

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For anyone who wants to use AI, no matter what resources

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they have.

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But are there any like limitations?

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That's a good question.

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So we really make it that accessible

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without sacrificing how well it works.

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Well, that's the challenge.

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OK.

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One concern is making sure that these smaller models don't

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lose accuracy or the ability to generalize.

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Right, we don't want AI that's fast and cheap.

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Right.

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But can't handle difficult tasks.

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Yeah, or adapt to new situations.

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It's all about balance.

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It is.

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The paper mentioned some interesting future directions.

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Oh, yeah.

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Like this multimodal dancing law.

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What is that?

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That's where it gets interesting.

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OK.

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Right now, this dancing law is mainly about LLMs.

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Which are all about text.

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Yes.

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OK.

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But what if we could do the same thing for other AI models?

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OK.

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The ones that deal with images and sound.

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Oh, wow.

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Imagine AI that can see and hear and interact with the world.

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Almost like a human.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Think about AI assistants that can understand you,

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but can also read your expressions.

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Oh.

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Or robots that can navigate using vision, touch, and sound.

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That's incredible.

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The possibilities are endless.

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Wow, that's mind-blowing.

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What about this other concept, the inference dancing law?

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Oh, yeah.

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What's that about?

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That's another cool research area.

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It suggests that as AI gets better at reasoning

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and problem solving, it might need fewer thinking steps.

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So more efficient thinking.

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Exactly.

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Not just smaller size and energy usage,

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but actually thinking better.

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That's the idea.

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Imagine AI that can solve complex problems in an instant.

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Using minimal energy.

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Yes.

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Wow, that'd be a game changer.

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Like in scientific discovery or medicine.

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Yeah.

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Or even everyday decisions.

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We could have AI that's powerful.

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But also fast and efficient.

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Exactly.

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And while this is still pretty new,

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it could change how we think about AI completely.

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It does sound like we're on the edge of something big.

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Definitely.

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But with all this focus on efficiency and smaller models,

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does that mean the end for those huge AI systems?

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That's a good question.

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While smaller, more efficient models

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are definitely becoming more popular,

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there will always be a need for those large, powerful models

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for some things.

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So it's about picking the right tool for the job.

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Yes, exactly.

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Not just assuming smaller is always better.

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Right.

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And you know the world of AI development

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is getting more diverse.

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OK.

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With more models being made for specific purposes.

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So not a one size fits all anymore.

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Exactly.

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That makes sense.

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Yeah.

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So as we move towards this future of AI

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that's more accessible and efficient,

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are there things we should be thinking about as a society?

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Oh, that's a great question.

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Are there downsides to this trend?

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Well, one concern is that these smaller models

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could be misused.

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In what way?

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What if someone with bad intentions

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got a hold of a powerful AI that could run on a phone or laptop?

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Yeah, that's scary.

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That could be really bad.

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So how do we stop that?

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Can we even control this technology?

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It's tough, but it's something that researchers, policymakers,

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and industry leaders are all working on.

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OK.

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One way is to develop strong ethical guidelines

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and regulations for how AI is developed and used.

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Right.

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Another is to educate people about the potential risks

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and benefits.

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If you can make good choices.

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It sounds like this needs to be an ongoing conversation.

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Oh, definitely.

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AI is always changing.

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And we have to adapt as new challenges come up.

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Well, this has given me a lot to think about.

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Me too.

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And hopefully our listeners as well.

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It's clear that AI is moving towards efficiency

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and accessibility.

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Yes.

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But like any powerful technology,

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we need to be careful and make sure it's used for good.

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I agree.

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And its benefits are shared by all.

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Definitely.

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Definitely to keep an eye on this.

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And to our listeners, we encourage

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you to check out the paper Densing Law of LLMs.

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Yes.

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Good read.

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And learn more.

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It is.

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Thanks for joining us for another deep dive.

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See you.

