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All right, so today we're diving deep into

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practical considerations for a Gentic LLM system.

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Sounds intriguing.

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It is, it was written by Chris Cyford and Vyshak Bell

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Ah, yeah.

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from the University of Edinburgh.

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And this paper, well, it tackles the whole idea

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of using LLMs, you know, large language modders,

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as the brains behind autonomous agents.

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Okay, so not just chatbots,

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like things that can actually go out and do things.

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Yeah, exactly, like real action, not just words.

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Gotcha, that's a pretty hot topic right now.

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What's unique about this paper?

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Well, that's what's really cool about it.

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It bridges the gap between what academic researchers

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are all excited about,

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and then what's actually happening out there in the industry.

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Okay, so are we talking like,

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are the academics thinking of, you know,

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robot butlers powered by these LLMs

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while companies are just trying to like,

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I don't know, automate their customer service calls?

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Maybe not that extreme, but yeah,

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you're definitely picking up in the core difference there.

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So academics, they're looking at LLMs from a very,

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I guess you could say theoretical perspective.

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Thinking about things like, you know, beliefs,

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reasoning, planning, all those kind of high level things

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we associate with, you know, intelligent agents.

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So they're trying to figure out if an LLM could like,

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in theory, become this truly independent agent,

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you know, one that can make its own decisions

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and actually act on them in the real world.

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Yeah, fascinating stuff.

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But on the other side, you have the industry folks

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who are much more focused on, well, how can we use this?

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How can we apply it?

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How can this make us money, I assume.

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So they're asking more like, can we use LLMs

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to build systems that can actually solve specific problems?

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Like planning a trip, managing a project, you know,

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very concrete things.

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So less existential pondering,

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more about getting stuff done.

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Exactly, yeah.

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They view the LLM as, okay, this is the core reasoning engine.

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And then they're gonna add on these different modules

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for things like how to plan, maybe some memory.

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And then how it can interface with different tools.

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So this lets the LLM act as this agent

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in a more, I guess you could say, concrete way.

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Okay, I'm starting to see the distinction here.

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And you know what, to make it a little bit more tangible,

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the paper uses this example of a pescatarian meal assistant.

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Oh, interesting.

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What is that all about?

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That's a really great way to kind of illustrate

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the challenges and also the potential of these LLM agents.

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So imagine an LLM that's helping someone who's pescatarian.

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So they only eat fish and seafood to plan out their meals.

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So this agent, it has to be able to search recipes,

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maybe consider allergies or dietary restrictions,

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figure out if ingredients are even available,

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maybe even order those groceries for the person.

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Yeah, that's definitely way more complex

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than just like pulling up a recipe on the internet.

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Like it needs to understand what the user wants,

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then adapt to changing situations,

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maybe some ingredients aren't available,

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and then interact with all these different tools

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to actually get that done.

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And that's where the paper really gets

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into the nitty gritty.

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It goes into all these very specific considerations

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for building these kinds of agents.

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And it starts with what might seem like a simple thing,

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but it's surprisingly tricky and that's planning.

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Wait, tricky.

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I thought LLMs were supposed to be amazing at planning.

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If they can write code, compose poetry,

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surely they can handle a meal plan, right?

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You would think, right.

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But research actually suggests that LLMs

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aren't naturally gifted at this kind of step-by-step logic

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of planning.

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Interesting.

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So they're great at understanding and generating language,

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but this logic seems to be a weak spot.

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So our little pescatarian meal assistant

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might be awesome at finding the most delicious fish recipes.

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But then when it comes to actually figuring out

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the steps to buy the ingredients, cook the meal,

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it kind of falls apart.

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Yeah, that's the problem.

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these LLMs to become master planners,

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we should focus on this idea of task decomposition.

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Cask decomposition.

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OK, is that AI therapy?

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We're going to help the LLM break down

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its problems into these manageable chunks.

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It's a really good analogy.

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So instead of asking the LLM to plan

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an entire week's worth of meals,

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you break it down into smaller steps.

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figure out when to cook things.

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And this makes each task much simpler.

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And it plays to the LLMs' strengths.

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So it's about designing the task to fit the LLM, not

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the other way around.

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Exactly, yeah.

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And the authors, they argue that this is actually

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way more effective than trying to use

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a less powerful LLM for this complex planning.

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So it's like starting with a high performance engine

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and adjusting the workload rather than trying to soup up

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like a weaker engine.

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That makes sense.

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But OK, planning is just one piece of the puzzle.

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What about memory?

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How do we ensure that our little LLM agent actually

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remembers these crucial pieces of information,

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like dietary restrictions or favorite recipes, all that stuff?

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And that's where something called retrieval augmented

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generation comes in.

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Or REG, for short.

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REG.

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And it's basically a technique that

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gives the LLM access to these external information sources.

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So like databases, stuff like that?

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are relevant to the task at hand.

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So instead of relying only on what

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it learned during its initial training phase,

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it can consult a cheat sheet.

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Like with curated information.

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You got it.

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So for our pescatarian meal assistant,

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this could be, I don't know, a database of pescatarian recipes,

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information about allergies.

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Or even feedback from the user on past meals,

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like what they liked, what they didn't like.

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to prevent those hallucinations we always hear about with LLMs,

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where they just like spout out completely made up stuff.

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Or inaccurate information.

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Our RAG helps ground the LLM in reliable data,

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so it's less likely to go off the rails.

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which is super important, especially for something

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like meal planning, right?

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So trends and ingredients are always changing.

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So no more AI recommending outdated recipes

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or suggesting you use ingredients

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that you can't find anywhere.

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Yeah, exactly.

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That's great.

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It's like giving your LLM agent a subscription

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to all the latest food blogs and culinary magazines.

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Keeps its knowledge fresh and relevant.

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I like that.

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in a database, so like specific user preferences

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or feedback from past interactions?

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Do we need to give the LLM a digital diary

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to keep track of all that?

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So that brings us to the concept of long term memory

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for these LLM agents.

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It's about storing key takeaways from those past interactions,

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and then they can use those to inform future decisions.

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like a preferred cooking style.

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It's all about building that personalized experience.

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And the paper, it suggests focusing

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on storing information that is independent,

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so it's not tied to a specific event.

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It also needs to be consistently relevant to the agent's

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purpose and applicable over the long term.

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So instead of remembering, the user

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didn't like the salmon recipe on Tuesday,

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it'd be more like the user disliked salmon.

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And that's relevant to any meal planning,

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not just a specific instance.

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That's a great summary.

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It's like you're building a knowledge base of the user's

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core needs and values, which the LLM can then

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draw on to make those more personalized and accurate

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decisions.

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This is fascinating.

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But so far, we've mostly been talking about these LLMs just

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interacting with text and data.

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But how do they actually do things in the real world?

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Can they really interact with our physical environment?

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Tools are essentially extensions that give the LLMs

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the ability to go beyond text and actually interact

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with other systems or even physical devices.

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So we're giving these LLMs superpowers,

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like to search the web, send emails,

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control our smart appliances.

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So for our meal assistant, a tool

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might be something that lets it search for recipes online,

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maybe filter by specific ingredients or dietary

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restrictions.

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lets it order groceries.

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Hold on.

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So the LLM could actually make purchases on behalf of the user.

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That's taking this to a whole new level.

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It is.

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the vast potential of these LLM agents.

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But as we develop these more complex systems,

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the number of tools is just going to explode.

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So we're building this AI Swiss Army knife with a tool

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for every possible situation.

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And that brings us to the very crucial issue

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of tool management.

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Right, because we don't want the AI

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to get lost in its own digital toolbox.

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Yes, exactly.

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And so the paper, it stresses the importance

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of clear documentation.

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Organization, almost like you're creating an instruction

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manual for each tool.

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So we're not just throwing a bunch of tools at the AI

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and just hoping for the best.

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We're carefully curating them, documenting them,

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just like we would with any complex software system.

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It's all about setting the LLM agent up for success

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by making sure it has the right tools.

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And that it knows how to use them effectively.

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OK, so we've got planning, memory, tools.

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What other considerations are there

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when we're building these LLM agents?

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Well, another really critical one is control flow.

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of the LLM agent.

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So it's like the AI's internal traffic controller.

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That's a good analogy.

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OK, it's deciding which steps to take,

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when to use which tools, and when to deliver a result.

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Exactly, yeah.

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So effective control flow requires

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that the LLM agent understands all of its options.

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OK.

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The tools that it has, the personas that it can embody,

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and the possible actions it can take.

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And then based on that understanding,

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it can make decisions about how to proceed.

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Exactly.

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Just like a human would in a similar situation.

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Exactly.

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So back to our meal assistant.

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OK.

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The control flow would determine how it responds

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if a user says, plan my meals for next week.

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OK.

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So it might consult its memory about, OK,

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what's this person's diet?

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OK.

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Maybe use a planning module to create a kind of draft schedule.

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Right.

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And then it could use a tool to maybe check the user's calendar

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for any upcoming events.

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It's like a well-choreographed dance

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where each step flows smoothly into the next.

300
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Yeah, exactly.

301
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That's really cool.

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And that smooth flow is really essential for creating

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a seamless and efficient user experience.

304
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But what happens when things don't go according to plan?

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Right.

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Because let's be honest, with all this complexity,

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things are bound to go wrong at some point.

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LLMs, they're not perfect.

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Right.

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Neither are the tools and systems they're interacting with.

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Exactly.

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And that brings us to another critical consideration.

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Error handling.

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OK.

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Error handling.

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So are we giving the AI like a panic button?

317
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Not quite.

318
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It's more about anticipating potential issues

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and then coming up with strategies to address them.

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OK.

321
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So one approach is to simply retry a failed operation.

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OK.

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But maybe with a slightly different kind of seed,

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which can nudge the LLM toward a different output.

325
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So we're giving it a second chance,

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but with a little tweak to its thinking.

327
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Yeah, exactly.

328
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Another approach is to give the LLM more context about the error.

329
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OK.

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So maybe like a specific error message

331
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or some additional information that might help it

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understand what went wrong.

333
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So it's like we're giving the AI a bug report

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so it can try to debug itself.

335
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That's a good way to put it, yeah.

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OK.

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And if the LLM is still stumped,

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we can even bring in another LLM,

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maybe one that specializes in debugging or error correction.

340
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Oh, so it's like calling in the AI cavalry

341
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to rescue a mission that's gone off the rails.

342
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Exactly.

343
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I like it.

344
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And this kind of multi-layered approach to error handling

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is super crucial for building those really robust and reliable

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LLM agents that can function in the real world.

347
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Because in the real world, unexpected things happen.

348
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This is all incredibly fascinating.

349
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And it's clear that building these effective LLM agents

350
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requires a lot of thought and planning.

351
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But I'm also struck by how much we're still figuring out

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about these systems.

353
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It's like we're explorers charting a new frontier,

354
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constantly discovering new possibilities and new challenges.

355
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Exactly.

356
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And that's what makes it so exciting.

357
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It is exciting.

358
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Speaking of complexity, I'm curious

359
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about how these different LLM agents handle

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the sheer volume of information that they have to process.

361
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It seems like it would be so easy for them to just get

362
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overwhelmed or lose track of important details.

363
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Right.

364
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And that brings us to this crucial issue of context

365
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management.

366
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Not text management.

367
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So just like humans, LLMs can get bogged down by too much

368
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information.

369
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Yeah, I feel that.

370
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And that can lead to errors, inefficiencies,

371
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and even nonsensical outputs.

372
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So we need to make sure we're not overloading these AIs

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with irrelevant data.

374
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Right.

375
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Or expecting them to remember every single thing

376
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from every bass interaction.

377
00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:40,040
Exactly, yeah.

378
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So the paper highlights the importance

379
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of trimming all that extraneous context,

380
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summarizing past conversations.

381
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And that can prevent the LLM from getting

382
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lost in just this sea of information.

383
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It's like decluttering the AI's workspace.

384
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Make sure it has the essential information,

385
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but not overwhelmed with all the unnecessary details.

386
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Yeah, it's like the difference between having a tidy desk

387
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with all your important documents organized

388
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versus just having a chaotic pile of papers everywhere.

389
00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:07,080
Right, exactly.

390
00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:08,720
OK, so effective context management

391
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is crucial for making sure the LLM agent can actually

392
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focus on the task at hand.

393
00:14:12,680 --> 00:14:13,040
Right.

394
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And make informed decisions.

395
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Yeah.

396
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And deliver those accurate results.

397
00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:17,080
Exactly.

398
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This is all incredibly insightful.

399
00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:20,880
But I'm also curious about how we actually

400
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evaluate the performance of these LLM agents.

401
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Is there some sort of AI performance review

402
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where we sit down and assess their skills

403
00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:30,040
and give them feedback?

404
00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,160
It's not quite as formal as that.

405
00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:32,660
OK.

406
00:14:32,660 --> 00:14:35,200
But evaluation is definitely a critical aspect

407
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of this development process.

408
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And the paper emphasizes the need

409
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to move beyond those traditional metrics,

410
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like just accuracy.

411
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OK.

412
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And focus more on real world performance.

413
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So instead of just checking if the AI got the right answer,

414
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we're actually looking at how it performs

415
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in a real world scenario.

416
00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:54,880
Right.

417
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With all the complexities and uncertainties.

418
00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:57,200
Exactly.

419
00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,720
So for our meal assistant, we might track things like,

420
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how many steps did it take to create that meal plan?

421
00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:04,080
OK.

422
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What tools did it use?

423
00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:05,920
OK.

424
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How long did it take?

425
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Even the cost of the ingredients that it selected.

426
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So it's not just about if it succeeds.

427
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Right.

428
00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:13,520
It's about how it succeeds.

429
00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:14,160
Exactly.

430
00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,560
We're looking at its process, its efficiency,

431
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its ability to adapt to unexpected situations.

432
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It's not just about creating the perfect meal plan

433
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in a lab setting.

434
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It's about testing its ability to function in the real world

435
00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,840
where things don't always go according to plan.

436
00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:30,720
Exactly.

437
00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:34,200
It's like giving the AI an internship in a real kitchen

438
00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,360
and seeing how it performs under pressure.

439
00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:37,600
That's a great way to put it.

440
00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,160
And it sounds like this evaluation

441
00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,880
requires a multifaceted approach.

442
00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:42,280
Yeah.

443
00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:44,680
That goes beyond those simple metrics.

444
00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:44,920
Right.

445
00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:46,560
And really gets into the nuances

446
00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:48,400
of that real world performance.

447
00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:50,920
And that brings us to another key consideration

448
00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:52,440
that the paper highlights.

449
00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:53,480
Model size.

450
00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:53,960
OK.

451
00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,960
Now, I'm not talking about how much physical space

452
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the AI takes up.

453
00:15:58,120 --> 00:15:58,520
Right.

454
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But the complexity and the scale of the LLM itself.

455
00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:02,160
Yeah.

456
00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,680
Model size is a major factor in determining its capabilities,

457
00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:07,480
its cost, its speed.

458
00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:09,600
So bigger models are more powerful,

459
00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:11,960
but they're also slower and more expensive to run.

460
00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:12,440
Exactly.

461
00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:12,760
Yeah.

462
00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:13,640
OK.

463
00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,840
And when you're designing these LLM agents,

464
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it can be tempting to start with a smaller, less

465
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expensive model.

466
00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:21,560
Right.

467
00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:22,960
It seems like the logical choice.

468
00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,960
Why splurge on this giant AI brain

469
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if a smaller one can do the job?

470
00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:29,960
That's what you might think.

471
00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:31,960
But the paper actually suggests the opposite.

472
00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:32,280
Wait.

473
00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:33,280
Seriously.

474
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Start with the biggest, baddest AI model available.

475
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That's the recommendation.

476
00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,280
And it makes sense when you consider that starting

477
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with a powerful model gives you that really high performance

478
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baseline.

479
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So it's like starting with the top of the line computer

480
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and then figuring out which components you can maybe

481
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downgrade without sacrificing performance.

482
00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:52,640
Yeah, exactly.

483
00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,040
So you can test different configurations,

484
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experiment with smaller models for maybe specific tasks,

485
00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:02,800
and really fine tune the system to optimize both performance

486
00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:03,560
and cost.

487
00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:04,960
So it's not about being cheap.

488
00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:05,240
Right.

489
00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:06,400
It's about being strategic.

490
00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:07,040
Exactly.

491
00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:08,920
And this actually brings up another point that's often

492
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overlooked when we're building these systems.

493
00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,640
And that's the need for integration

494
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with traditional engineering.

495
00:17:15,360 --> 00:17:17,360
OK, so now we're really blurring the lines here

496
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between computer science and AI.

497
00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,040
That's the beauty of this field.

498
00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,400
It's all about finding the best way

499
00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:28,880
to combine human ingenuity with these AI capabilities.

500
00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,760
So how do those traditional engineering practices

501
00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,760
fit into the world of LLM agents?

502
00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:38,120
Well, remember how we talked about the inherent randomness

503
00:17:38,120 --> 00:17:39,440
of LLMs?

504
00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:41,040
They can be a little unpredictable.

505
00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:42,880
Yeah, it's like they have a mind of their own,

506
00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,800
which can be amazing, but also a little unnerving sometimes.

507
00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:47,120
Yeah, exactly.

508
00:17:47,120 --> 00:17:50,080
And in certain situations, we need things to be predictable.

509
00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:51,440
We need them to be reliable.

510
00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:51,800
OK.

511
00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,600
And that's where traditional engineering techniques come in.

512
00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:58,080
So we can leverage those deterministic algorithms,

513
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well-established software development practices

514
00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,560
to provide that solid foundation for the LLM agent.

515
00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:04,480
Exactly.

516
00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,880
It's about offloading certain tasks or processes

517
00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,680
to components that we know are going to behave consistently

518
00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:11,720
and unpredictably.

519
00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,040
It's like building guardrails for the AI

520
00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,000
to ensure that those critical steps are always

521
00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,320
executed correctly, even if the LLM gets a little creative

522
00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:20,400
with its decision making.

523
00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:24,200
Yeah, it's about finding that right balance between AI autonomy

524
00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,360
and engineered reliability.

525
00:18:26,360 --> 00:18:27,520
So give us some examples.

526
00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,400
How does this integration actually work in practice?

527
00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:32,480
Well, think about context management.

528
00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,280
We can use traditional engineering

529
00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,120
to automatically trim and summarize

530
00:18:36,120 --> 00:18:38,720
information between those LLM calls.

531
00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:42,520
So the AI isn't overloaded with all that irrelevant data.

532
00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,120
It's like having an automated cleanup crew for the AI's

533
00:18:45,120 --> 00:18:49,360
mental workspace, just keeping things tidy and efficient.

534
00:18:49,360 --> 00:18:50,040
Exactly.

535
00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,040
Another example is tool management.

536
00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,720
So we can group similar tools together

537
00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,480
into these tool sets, creating this more organized

538
00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,200
and streamlined system.

539
00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,280
So instead of having 100 different tools just scattered

540
00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,720
about, we create these specialized kits

541
00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:07,120
for specific purposes.

542
00:19:07,120 --> 00:19:07,680
Exactly.

543
00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:10,600
It's like having a toolbox with clearly labeled compartments

544
00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:12,200
for all the different types of tools.

545
00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,200
So much easier to find the right tool for the job.

546
00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:14,920
Exactly.

547
00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:16,600
And we can even use traditional engineering

548
00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:18,520
to set up things like callbacks or triggers

549
00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:19,560
for certain events.

550
00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:20,320
Callbacks?

551
00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,200
We're talking about the AI returning our phone calls now.

552
00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:23,840
Not quite.

553
00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,320
It's more like setting up automated responses

554
00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,240
to specific situations.

555
00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:31,000
So for example, we might have a callback that automatically

556
00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,800
generates summary of a conversation when the LLM

557
00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:35,440
agents switches personas.

558
00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,440
So instead of relying on the AI to remember everything,

559
00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,560
we have a system in place that provides the relevant information

560
00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:42,320
automatically.

561
00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:42,880
Exactly.

562
00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:46,280
It's all about creating that more efficient and robust

563
00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:51,440
system by combining really the best of both worlds, AI

564
00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:52,920
and traditional engineering.

565
00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:53,440
I like it.

566
00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:54,560
It's a beautiful partnership.

567
00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:55,200
It is.

568
00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:56,960
And this integration also allows us

569
00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,760
to introduce the concept of short circuiting.

570
00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:01,040
OK, that sounds interesting.

571
00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,640
Is that like an AI safety feature,

572
00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:05,240
like a circuit breaker or something?

573
00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,160
It's more like an efficiency booster.

574
00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:07,560
OK.

575
00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,760
So sometimes the answer to a query is obvious,

576
00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,440
and the LLM agent doesn't need to go through this whole complex

577
00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,600
process to figure it out.

578
00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:17,520
So instead of overthinking it, the AI

579
00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,040
can just deliver a simple, straightforward answer.

580
00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:20,960
Exactly.

581
00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:21,400
Makes sense.

582
00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:22,800
Why waste the time and resources?

583
00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:23,560
Exactly.

584
00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,200
And that's a great example of how we can use traditional

585
00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,720
engineering to enhance the efficiency and performance

586
00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,440
of these LLM agents.

587
00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,000
It's like giving the AI permission

588
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:34,800
to use its common sense.

589
00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:36,920
Avoid over-complicating things.

590
00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:38,040
You got it.

591
00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,000
And speaking of avoiding complications,

592
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:41,600
there's another crucial consideration

593
00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,440
for building these real world LLM agents,

594
00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,480
and that is understanding their limitations.

595
00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:48,200
Right.

596
00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,600
Because as amazing as these systems are, they're not magic.

597
00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:53,800
They're things they can't do, at least not yet.

598
00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:54,120
Right.

599
00:20:54,120 --> 00:20:55,560
And the paper acknowledges this.

600
00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,560
It highlights a few key areas where more research

601
00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:00,000
and development are needed.

602
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:00,920
So what are those?

603
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,520
What are the biggest hurdles facing these LLM agents

604
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:04,320
right now?

605
00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,000
Well, one area that's still pretty under explore

606
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,040
is this idea of human in the loop evaluation.

607
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:11,280
Humie in the loop.

608
00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,560
So instead of just running automated tests,

609
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,520
we actually get real people involved in assessing

610
00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:17,760
the AI's performance.

611
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:18,600
Exactly.

612
00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,800
It's about understanding how humans actually interact

613
00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,880
with these LLM agents, how they perceive their responses,

614
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,960
and how we can improve that overall user experience.

615
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:31,040
So it's like conducting those user studies or focus groups

616
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,560
to get feedback on the AI's performance from a human perspective.

617
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:35,160
Exactly.

618
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,240
Because ultimately, these systems are designed to serve humans.

619
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,520
So we really need to understand how people actually

620
00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:41,840
use them and what their needs are.

621
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:42,480
Makes sense.

622
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,600
So human in the loop evaluation is all

623
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:48,440
about bridging that gap between AI and human interaction,

624
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:52,120
ensuring that these systems are truly user friendly and effective

625
00:21:52,120 --> 00:21:53,720
in those real world scenarios.

626
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:54,920
You got it.

627
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:56,960
And then there's the question of model maintenance.

628
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:57,720
Model maintenance.

629
00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,920
So are we talking about giving these AI's

630
00:21:59,920 --> 00:22:02,640
like regular oil changes and tune-ups?

631
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,600
It's not quite that simple.

632
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,960
It's more about understanding how to adapt and update

633
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,480
these LLM agents as the world changes,

634
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,760
as new information emerges, as user needs evolve.

635
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,880
So it's like ongoing software updates, but for AI's.

636
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,640
That's a good analogy, because unlike traditional software,

637
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,960
LLMs are constantly learning and evolving.

638
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:23,280
OK.

639
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,360
So we need to develop these strategies for keeping

640
00:22:25,360 --> 00:22:26,840
them current and relevant.

641
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,880
So it's like these AI systems need a continuous education

642
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,800
program to keep up with the pace of change.

643
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:33,360
Exactly.

644
00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:34,960
And that's a challenge we need to address

645
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,240
if we want to build LLM agents that can truly

646
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:38,600
stand the test of time.

647
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,760
I can see how that would be a major undertaking,

648
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,520
especially as these models become even more complex

649
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,040
and integrated into our lives.

650
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:45,640
It is.

651
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,320
And it's an area where further research and innovation

652
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,040
are definitely needed.

653
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,240
But I believe it's a challenge worth tackling,

654
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,720
because the potential benefits of these LLM agents

655
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,440
are just enormous.

656
00:22:58,440 --> 00:22:58,960
Yeah.

657
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:00,800
The possibilities are mind-boggling.

658
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,760
Imagine a future where these systems are helping us

659
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,360
with everything from managing our daily tasks

660
00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:09,480
to tackling some of the world's biggest problems.

661
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:10,320
Exactly.

662
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:11,760
It's an exciting prospect.

663
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,720
And it's one that I'm personally very optimistic about.

664
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,040
I share your optimism.

665
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,160
I can't wait to see what the future holds for these LLM

666
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:19,920
agents.

667
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,840
But for now, let's take a little deeper

668
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,800
look at some of the more practical considerations

669
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,000
for building these incredible systems.

670
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:26,880
OK, sounds good.

671
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,000
And another big consideration is cost.

672
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,080
Oh, right.

673
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,120
All this AI power doesn't come cheap, does it?

674
00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:34,440
No, it definitely doesn't.

675
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:35,720
We talked about model size.

676
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,320
But there's so many other factors

677
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,480
that can affect the cost of actually developing and deploying

678
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:41,560
these LL agents.

679
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:45,280
Like, give us a little glimpse into the economics

680
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,160
of AI development.

681
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,680
Well, for one, there's the choice between,

682
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,880
do you use a pre-trained model, or do you

683
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:54,440
try to fine-tune your own?

684
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,840
So are we talking like, buy an off-the-shelf

685
00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:00,360
AI brain or build a custom one from scratch?

686
00:24:00,360 --> 00:24:02,480
That's a very simplified way to put it.

687
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:02,960
OK.

688
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,080
But yeah, you get the idea.

689
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,800
And there are trade-offs, right, in terms of cost, performance,

690
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,880
and just how much you can customize it.

691
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:09,280
Right.

692
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,680
So buying pre-trained is probably cheaper and faster.

693
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:13,360
Right.

694
00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:16,440
But you might not get exactly what you need for your specific

695
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:17,160
application.

696
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:18,040
Exactly.

697
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:19,840
And then there's the decision of,

698
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,120
do you use open-source models, or do you

699
00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:24,520
go with the commercially available ones?

700
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,480
Open-source, that means it's free to use and modify, right?

701
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:27,960
Right.

702
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,320
But commercial models, they probably

703
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,880
come with, I don't know, better support, documentation,

704
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:32,440
things like that.

705
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:32,720
Yeah.

706
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:33,920
You're totally getting it.

707
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,600
It's like, are you going to build your furniture from scratch,

708
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,680
or are you going to go to IKEA and get a ready-made set?

709
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:40,240
Right.

710
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:40,560
Right.

711
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:41,200
Exactly.

712
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,680
So it's this balancing act of cost versus convenience,

713
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,280
customization versus support.

714
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:47,320
Precisely.

715
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,880
And all of those factors need to be carefully considered

716
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,440
when you're building these real-world LLM agents.

717
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:53,800
And then on top of that, I mean,

718
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,240
we have to consider, can these LLM agents,

719
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,680
can they ever truly achieve that human-level planning,

720
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,520
a human-level decision-making?

721
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:02,440
That's a big question.

722
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,200
So are we saying AI will always be

723
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:10,080
limited in its ability to plan and reason like we do?

724
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,600
It's a question that's still very much open.

725
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,480
The paper actually encourages more research in that area.

726
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,120
How can we better understand the cognitive capabilities

727
00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:19,360
of these LLMs?

728
00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:22,760
And can they really achieve that more human-like intelligence?

729
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,880
But even with all these complexities,

730
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,160
there are some practical steps that we can take right now,

731
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,720
today, to build those more robust and effective LLM agents.

732
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:31,320
So what are they?

733
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:32,840
Give us the inside scoop.

734
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,000
One of the key takeaways from the paper

735
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,000
is that we need to be very thoughtful about how we design

736
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,200
and implement these systems.

737
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,800
It's not just about, oh, let's throw a bunch of LLMs together

738
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:42,720
and see what happens.

739
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:42,920
Right.

740
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,920
It's like any complex engineering project, right?

741
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,920
You need a solid plan, the right tools,

742
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,440
and an understanding of the challenges that you're facing.

743
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:52,400
Exactly.

744
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,200
And the paper actually highlights a few specific areas

745
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,040
where we can make some pretty significant improvements.

746
00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:59,360
OK, so what are those areas?

747
00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:01,840
Give us the AI to-do list.

748
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,880
One thing they really emphasize is output processing.

749
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,320
Output processing, OK.

750
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,360
So are we talking about proofreading the AI's writing

751
00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:10,400
assignments?

752
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:11,360
Not exactly.

753
00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:14,040
It's more about making sure that the information that

754
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,200
flows between those different LLM calls,

755
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:21,560
it needs to be clear, concise, easily understood by the system.

756
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,280
So it's like translating the AI's thoughts

757
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,320
into a language that other AI's can understand.

758
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,280
That's a really good way to put it, because humans,

759
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,040
we might be able to decipher some messy language

760
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:34,600
or ambiguous language.

761
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,600
But AI's, they really need things to be structured

762
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:38,600
and well-defined.

763
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,600
Yeah, it's like the difference between speaking and slang

764
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,440
and writing a formal report.

765
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,440
The meaning might be the same, but that clarity, that precision,

766
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,080
it's crucial for effective communication.

767
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:49,880
Exactly.

768
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,840
And so the paper actually suggests

769
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,320
using those more structured formats, things like JSON

770
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,120
or even executable code to make sure

771
00:26:58,120 --> 00:27:00,640
that that information is being transmitted accurately

772
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:01,680
and efficiently.

773
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,600
So we're not just letting the AI's chat amongst themselves

774
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,800
in their own little quirky language.

775
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,520
We're actually providing this framework

776
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,000
for clear communication.

777
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:10,920
You got it.

778
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,440
And this focus on structured output,

779
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:14,840
it also helps with error handling,

780
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,720
which we talked about earlier, is just a major consideration

781
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,160
when you're building these systems.

782
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:20,000
Right, it makes sense.

783
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,920
The more structured the information, the easier it is

784
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,040
to spot and correct those errors.

785
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:24,880
Exactly.

786
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,800
It's like having a neatly organized spreadsheet

787
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,960
versus just a jumbled pile of notes.

788
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:35,160
It's much easier to find and fix those mistakes

789
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,080
when things are laid out in a clear and logical way.

790
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:39,840
Okay, so output processing is all

791
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,400
about creating this more efficient and robust system

792
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,200
by improving the way information flows

793
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:47,440
between the different components.

794
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:48,400
Precisely.

795
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,520
And it's one of those practical steps

796
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,280
that can really make a huge difference

797
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,400
in the performance and reliability of these LLM agents.

798
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,880
This is all super interesting stuff,

799
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,240
but I have to admit, it's a lot to take in.

800
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:01,160
Yeah.

801
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,720
I feel like we're just scratching the surface here

802
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,400
of what's possible with these agentic LLM systems.

803
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:07,240
You're absolutely right.

804
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,520
This paper is just a starting point.

805
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,880
It's a glimpse into this vast and rapidly evolving world

806
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,880
of AI agents.

807
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:15,920
It's like we've opened this door

808
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,560
to a whole new dimension of possibilities.

809
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,520
Exactly, and I think one of the most exciting aspects

810
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,000
is that these systems have the potential

811
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,400
to completely transform the way we live and work.

812
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,240
So we're not just talking about AI meal planners

813
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:30,280
and virtual assistants.

814
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:31,120
Right.

815
00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:33,160
We're talking about systems that can actually tackle

816
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:34,720
some of the world's biggest challenges.

817
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:35,560
Absolutely.

818
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,680
Imagine AI agents that can help us address climate change,

819
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,200
develop new medical treatments,

820
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,880
maybe even explore the depths of space.

821
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,120
Yeah, it's like we're giving these AI systems

822
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,840
a seat at the table.

823
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,240
We're inviting them to collaborate with us

824
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,000
and solving some of humanity's most pressing problems.

825
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,400
And that collaboration is going to require us

826
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,200
to continue pushing those boundaries

827
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,600
of what's possible with AI, to develop new techniques,

828
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:04,400
and to very carefully consider the ethical implications

829
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,560
of these incredibly powerful systems.

830
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,760
It's a responsibility that we can't take lightly.

831
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:09,600
Right.

832
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:10,880
But it's also an incredible opportunity

833
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,400
to shape the future in this positive and impactful way.

834
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:15,680
I completely agree.

835
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,880
This paper has given us a lot to think about.

836
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,680
It's clear that the journey into the world

837
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,160
of these agentic LLMs, it's just beginning.

838
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,080
It's definitely an exciting time to be following

839
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:26,640
the field of AI.

840
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,920
And I can't wait to see what amazing developments are ahead.

841
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:29,760
Yeah, me too.

842
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,080
All right, so on that note, I think

843
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,720
it's time to wrap up our deep dive into agentic LLMs.

844
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,440
Thanks for joining us, listeners.

845
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,480
And as always, we encourage you to kind of delve deeper

846
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,520
into the research yourself, ask those questions,

847
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,640
stay curious about the ever-evolving world

848
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,280
of artificial intelligence.

849
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,240
Until next time, keep learning, keep exploring,

850
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:50,520
and keep diving deep.

851
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,040
So before the break, we were talking

852
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,600
about that incredible potential of these systems

853
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,840
to really transform the way we live and work.

854
00:29:58,840 --> 00:29:59,600
Right, right.

855
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,400
But as with any powerful technology,

856
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,600
there are always those challenges and those limitations

857
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:05,720
that we need to be aware of.

858
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:06,360
Absolutely.

859
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,440
And the paper, it doesn't shy away

860
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:13,200
from acknowledging those areas where more research

861
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,400
and development are really needed.

862
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,120
And one of those areas, as we touched on a bit earlier,

863
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,360
is this whole question of cost.

864
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,760
Yeah, developing and deploying these AI systems,

865
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,080
it's not cheap.

866
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:25,480
It's a significant investment.

867
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:26,120
It is.

868
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:30,120
And it's not just about the computational resources

869
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,520
to train and run these models, but also the expertise,

870
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,880
the infrastructure, to build and maintain them.

871
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:36,880
Yeah, exactly.

872
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,560
And the paper really encourages us

873
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,400
to think carefully about those economic trade-offs.

874
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,040
When you're choosing different approaches

875
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,040
to LLM agent development, for example,

876
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,400
using a pre-trained model might be way more cost-effective

877
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,000
than trying to build your own custom model from scratch.

878
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,360
Right, it's like buying a ready-made car

879
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,320
versus designing and building your own.

880
00:30:58,320 --> 00:30:59,360
Right, exactly.

881
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,840
There are definitely some cost savings there

882
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,720
to be had by going with that pre-built option.

883
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,120
But you might have to compromise on certain features

884
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:09,280
or customizations.

885
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:10,680
That's a great analogy.

886
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,600
And then there's also the decision of,

887
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,120
do you use open-source models?

888
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,960
Which are freely available, but might require a bit more

889
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,880
technical expertise to implement,

890
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,400
versus those commercially available models

891
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,920
that often come with more support, more documentation,

892
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,640
but they might be more expensive.

893
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,360
So it's a balancing act, as with many things in life.

894
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:33,280
It is.

895
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,040
We need to weigh those costs, those benefits,

896
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:37,760
of the different approaches.

897
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,240
And choose the path that makes the most sense

898
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,400
for our specific needs and resources.

899
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:44,200
Precisely.

900
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,720
And that kind of leads us to another really crucial

901
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,600
consideration that they highlight in the paper.

902
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,600
And that is this need for ongoing model maintenance.

903
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,840
Yeah, I imagine keeping these LLM agents running

904
00:31:55,840 --> 00:32:00,680
smoothly and effectively is a bit like tending a garden.

905
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,360
It requires that constant care and attention and adjustments

906
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,240
to make sure that everything's thriving.

907
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:07,800
That's a great way to think about it.

908
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:08,640
Yeah.

909
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,520
Yeah, we need to be prepared to adapt

910
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,440
and update these models, you know?

911
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,560
As the world changes, as new information emerges,

912
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,840
as user needs evolve.

913
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,160
It's almost like providing these AI systems

914
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,480
with a continuous education program,

915
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,120
constantly feeding them new knowledge,

916
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,080
refining their skills to keep them sharp and relevant.

917
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:27,920
Exactly.

918
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:29,440
And that ongoing maintenance, it's

919
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,360
essential to ensure that those LLM agents remain

920
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,520
useful and reliable over time.

921
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,560
So it's not a set it and forget it kind of technology.

922
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,280
It requires a commitment to that ongoing investment,

923
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:44,440
that adaptation to really keep pace with that ever-changing

924
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,320
landscape of information and technology.

925
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:47,120
Absolutely.

926
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,040
And that brings us to another key takeaway from the paper,

927
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:51,000
I think.

928
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,880
And that is that need to recognize and address

929
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,480
the limitations of current LLM technology.

930
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,160
Right, because as impressive as these systems are,

931
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,560
they're not a silver bullet, right?

932
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:03,060
Right.

933
00:33:03,060 --> 00:33:05,280
And certain things they just can't do, at least not yet.

934
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:05,960
Exactly.

935
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,240
And the paper really encourages us

936
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:12,040
to be realistic about the capabilities of LLMs

937
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,640
and to avoid overhyping their potential.

938
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,120
We're still very much in the early stages

939
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,000
of developing truly agentic systems.

940
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,760
And there are lots of challenges that remain to be addressed.

941
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:28,480
So it's a journey of continuous discovery and improvement,

942
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,280
not a destination we've already reached.

943
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:31,520
That's a great way to put it.

944
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,800
And this journey, it really requires a collaborative effort

945
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,920
between the researchers, the developers, and also the users

946
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,240
to push those boundaries of what's possible,

947
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,360
but also to be mindful of the ethical implications

948
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,280
of these really powerful technologies.

949
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:47,240
It's a balancing act.

950
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:47,740
It is.

951
00:33:47,740 --> 00:33:51,520
Between ambition and responsibility,

952
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,600
between the excitement of exploring these new frontiers,

953
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,800
and the need to proceed with caution and awareness.

954
00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:58,440
Exactly.

955
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,000
And I think that balanced approach,

956
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,640
it's really essential to ensure that these LLM agents ultimately

957
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,640
benefit humanity and contribute to a brighter future.

958
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:08,800
Yeah, for sure.

959
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,040
This paper has given us a lot to think about.

960
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:11,760
It really has.

961
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,960
And it's clear that the world of agentic LLMs,

962
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,680
it's just full of possibilities and challenges.

963
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,360
It's been a fascinating deep dive.

964
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:20,120
It has.

965
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,240
And I'm sure our listeners are eager to learn even more

966
00:34:23,240 --> 00:34:25,360
about this rapidly evolving field.

967
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:26,020
I agree.

968
00:34:26,020 --> 00:34:28,800
And I encourage everyone to stay curious,

969
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,240
explore the research, engage in those thoughtful discussions

970
00:34:32,240 --> 00:34:35,400
about the potential and the implications of these LLM

971
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:35,960
agents.

972
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:36,560
Absolutely.

973
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,360
Thanks for joining us on this exploration.

974
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,440
And until next time, keep learning, keep questioning,

975
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,320
and keep diving deep into the world

976
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:59,800
of artificial intelligence.

