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Hi, everyone. This is the How to Lower Your Tax

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Bill podcast. I'm your host, Terrence Hutchins.

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I'm a financial and tax advisor in the Dallas

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-Fort Worth area. And the goal of this podcast

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is to help you listeners get educated on different

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tax strategies that you can implement to improve

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your tax situation immediately. Each episode

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will break down useful tax tips you can use to

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save money. no matter what your personal or business

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income situation. Because our motto is, keep

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more of what you earn. So let's get into today's

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episode. Welcome to another episode of How to

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Lower Your Tax Bill. I'm your host, Tarrin Touchings,

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and we are going to play a recording today of

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a webinar that I did with my tax partner, David

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Stevens. This is going to be going over the new

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one big, beautiful bill, the tax revisions in

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it, how it impacts individuals and also businesses.

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We will get into some of the strategy on future

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episodes around how it might affect you specifically

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in relation to keeping more of what you earn.

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So we're going to split this up into two different

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sections. So we'll play part one this week and

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part two next week. So hopefully this is educational

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and we will talk to you soon. Hey folks, David

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Stevens here from Stevens Capital Partners. I've

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got Terrence Hutchins who's joined me today.

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And Terrence is our managing director of business

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and tax planning here at Stevens Capital Partners.

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So happy to have Terrence. He is a wealth of

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knowledge. We're going to walk through the one

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big, beautiful bill. Is that right, Terrence?

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That's it. Yes. And we're not going to be political.

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We're not talking about any politics here. We're

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just talking about how it's going to affect your

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pocketbook. We're going to be talking to several

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different types of people. whether it's an individual

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tax return, which we all have that, but also

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business owners. And then, of course, also real

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estate as well. So we're going to be speaking

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to all different types of client profiles, if

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you will, as we walk through this information.

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So let's kick it off with some of the things

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that have been extended. What are the items that

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have been extended? So Terrence, I'll start us

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with the first one. Give us some of your thoughts

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here. We've got tax rates are now permanent,

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right? So the pre -tax rates from before 2018,

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we were going to refer to the higher level. being

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at 39 .6 is the highest prior to 2018, right?

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But now we're in the seven bracket system between

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10 and 37%. That is now permanent. Is that right?

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That's correct. In fact, prior to 2018, about

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90 % of people roughly saw their taxes go down

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once the tax and jobs cut act started in 2018.

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And so we were going to go back to that old system.

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And so everybody mostly was going to actually

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see their tax. bill go up just as a byproduct

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of going back to the old rules. So this is a

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big change for us as it relates to our personal

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planning where, hey, instead of me having to

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pay an extra one or 2 % in taxes next year, I'm

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going to pretty much stay the same outside of

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some of the other provisions that were adjusted.

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Excellent. Okay. And then how about the standard

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deduction? We know that the standard deduction,

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the enhanced standard deduction as it's known

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as remains permanent now. Is that correct? That

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is correct. So prior to 2018, many people actually

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itemized on their tax returns. So they added

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up the mortgage interest, their taxes, their

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state and local taxes, their charitable giving.

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Now about only about 20 to 30 % of people actually

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itemize because of this change to the standard

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deduction. So now the first $31 ,500 that you

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make, you actually don't pay tax on that to the

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IRS. That's another nice change for a lot of

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folks. If we had gone back to the old way of

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doing it, potentially a lot more people would

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have saw their taxes go up as well. Excellent.

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And then how about personal exemptions? Talk

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to us about personal exemptions, Tarrant. So

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the personal exemption is essentially when I

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claim anybody on my tax return, including myself,

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my spouse, my kids, my parents, I was going to

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get like a flat tax deduction for each person

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that I claimed. Well, that went away in 2018

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and now they've just set it permanently. is going

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away. So that higher standard deduction essentially

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just prevents the need to have that extra personal

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exemption. So that was just cleaning up the law

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there. Excellent. And then, of course, we have

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the child tax credit. That got increased by a

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couple hundred dollars as well, right? Yeah.

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So it was 2000. So prior to 2018, it was a thousand.

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Then it bumped up to 2000. And now they've increased

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it to twenty two hundred dollars. So I know all

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of our kids only cost twenty two hundred dollars

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a year. So we get a tax credit for each of them

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up to the twenty two hundred. And then it's also

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adjusted for inflation moving forward. Correct.

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That is correct. Yeah. So it was a flat number.

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So that's a good point where, hey, that number

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could increase over time with inflation as well.

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Let's talk about mortgage interest deduction.

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So let's speak about that. Well, the mortgage

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interest, that used to be a million dollars.

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So I know, I know you have your five million

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dollar compound there in Omaha. Well, hey, you

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pay for it cash, of course, but for us common

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people, if we financed it, then we had a mortgage

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that was more than $750 ,000, that extra amount

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of mortgage, we actually don't get any additional

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interest deduction for it. So they just made

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that a permanent extension now. And so yeah,

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so anyone that's buying a house, if you have

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a mortgage more than 750, you're not getting

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any additional tax benefit from having it. If

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you don't own a business that is. Excellent.

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Okay. Very good. And we've got the state and

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gift tax exemption. This is a big one. this with

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a lot of talk about this one over the last really

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four, five, six years. So let's talk a little

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bit about that one. So with the estate tax exemption

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that was just under 14 million going into this

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year, they're basically just bumping it up to

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15 million per person. So the biggest change

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was prior to 2018, it was closer to half that

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number and it was potentially going to revert

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back to that. And so a lot of people who had

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estates that are in the 15 to 20 million dollar

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range were thinking, hey, I don't have a tax

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estate problem or estate tax problem today. If

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the numbers go back to where they were prior

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to 2018, I will. So now this just provides clarity

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to say, hey, a lot more people aren't going to

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have estate tax issues. It also allows them to

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understand planning around trust to where, hey,

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do I need to do a revocable trust? Do I not?

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Where am I going to be at? And then that number

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is also inflation protected. So it'll just give

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us more clarity around who's going to have a

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taxable estate moving forward. Very good. How

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about ABLE accounts? So an ABLE account is similar

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to a 529 plan, but these are designed for people

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who are disabled because many times they don't

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have the ability to go to college due to the

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disability that they have. And so this is just

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something that allows an increased contribution

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limit. This isn't going to impact the vast majority

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of people per se, but this was just more of a

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provision. This is a disabled account. It's going

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to allow you to put money away for your kid if

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they're disabled. And the biggest benefit is

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it doesn't impact the benefits that they get

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from the government. So if you have a disabled

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kid, even if you have millions of dollars, that

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kid themselves won't be prevented from getting

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governmental assistance if they have this ABLE

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account. So that was just something that the

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government kind of just cleaned up as far as

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the increased contribution limits that you could

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put in there. And speaking of kids and education,

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what are some of the other education related

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changes? So with the 529 plans, a few of the

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provisions that they adjusted were before you

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could use money for private schools. So K through

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12 education, you can take out up to $10 ,000

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for that. Now they increase that to $20 ,000.

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So if you have a kid that is in a private high

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school, private middle school, and you have a

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529 plan, you can use more of that money to go

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towards that. In addition, instead of just having

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it devoted strictly towards college or room and

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board expenses, they extended it out to things

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like trade schools and even professional certifications.

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Now they're going to clean up what's allowed

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under that, but professional licenses, even potentially

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the CFP. If I want my kid to take the CFP and

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I have a 529 fund, I can actually use the money

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towards that. So that is one area where it just

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expands the scope of what a 529 can be used for.

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In addition to if your employer gives you assistance

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for education, sometimes there's tax. They basically

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said, Hey, if you're in school, we'll give you

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52 50 towards your school. and it's not taxed.

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That provision has been extended. So if you have

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an employer that provides educational assistance,

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then you're able to continue to get that tax

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free under the extension of the law. Yeah, that's

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a wonderful benefit. And then of course, you

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have student loan forgiveness, right? It's also

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excluded from taxable income. And that's what?

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Permanent now, correct? Correct. Yeah. So if

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you passed away early or you were disabled, and

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your student loan got forgiven, that's not going

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to be a taxable event. So that's just something

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that was excluded. Those are provisions that

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you would think would just have gotten permanently

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carried on. So the law just confirmed that point.

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That's great. We are going to pivot to the next

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topic here, which is going to be on business

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tax changes. All right. So what does the one

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big, beautiful bill say about your business,

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your pocketbook directly? How is it going to

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affect you? Let's walk through this together,

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Terrence. Topic number one. A big topic here,

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bonus depreciation, right? So let's talk a little

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bit about that. The bonus appreciation for those

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who weren't aware back in 2018, they brought

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this into the law and they essentially said,

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Hey, if you have property that has a shelf life

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of 20 years for less, you can take and deduct

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a hundred percent of it. And so this introduced

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big things for real estate investors in particular,

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because now they were able to do what are called

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cost segregation studies. where they can actually

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break out their buildings into four different

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components. Normally, roughly 30 % of the building,

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they can actually depreciate and deduct it 100

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% upfront. And with the way bonus depreciation

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works, you can actually take a tax loss as a

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result. So imagine if you have a million dollar

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building and you're able to take a $300 ,000

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tax loss against that building, that could actually

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reduce your other income. So they've made this

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a permanent extension. of the law. So that's

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something that it will be interesting to see

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how that continues to impact the real estate

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industry. No, that's a big change. That's phenomenal.

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Thank you for sharing that. How about section

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179 expensing? This is very attractive as well.

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Let's walk through that. Yeah. So section 179

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is another component of the tax while relating

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to depreciating fixed assets. So things like

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computers, equipment, all that kind of stuff.

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Well, They increased the amount of that deduction

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that you can take so not to get too much into

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the nitty -gritty But right now you can deduct

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up to two and a half million dollars of equipment

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without it being phased down Alright, so if I

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have a two million dollar piece of equipment

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I can deduct a hundred percent of that up front

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now one of the biggest differences between section

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179 and Bonus appreciation is that bonus appreciation

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can create a tax loss section some 179 cannot

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All right. So if you're a very profitable business

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though, it really gives you the ability to do

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a lot of equipment up front off your normal income,

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which you probably couldn't get to a negative

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number. Excellent. That's really good. Okay.

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Let's go to 1099 miscellaneous reporting thresholds.

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Let's talk through that. Yeah. So in the past,

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if I'm a contractor or if I own a business and

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I employ contractors and I had to send out a

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1099 whether that's an NEC or a non -employee

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compensation form or a miscellaneous form, generally

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that's going to be normally health care providers

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send them to their physicians or if you're a

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property management company and you're collecting

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rent, you're going to send a 1099 miscellaneous

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to your landlord. Before the minimum threshold

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to receive that was $600. So it actually increased

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that to $2 ,000. So you don't have to send out

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as many 1099s unless you're paying them at least

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$2 ,000 a year. So this is just something that

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administratively is going to reduce the burden

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for business owners and for the IRS to process

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all these tax forms. And then one other thing

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to note, a lot who were getting unaware around

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things like Venmo, Zelle, where if you were actually

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sending out the same $600, you were actually

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getting a 1099K from those electronic providers.

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That was going to be a new, they had said, hey,

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we're going to do this. We're going to give you

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two years to adjust. In the past, you had to

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get like $20 ,000 from 1099K. So like Square,

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things like that. Now they basically went back

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to that $20 ,000 threshold and didn't bring it

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all the way down. So that's once again, going

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to just administratively relieve a lot of burden

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for the third party transactions. And also for

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taxpayers having to keep up with all the forms

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they're supposed to get. plus the IRS for having

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to process. That's great. That's great. And let's

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talk about QBI or qualified business income deduction.

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First, explain what it is, Terrence. And then

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let's talk a little bit about how they've extended

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those permanently, what that looks like, some

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of those different levels, the phase outs, et

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cetera. So if you recall, one of the big things

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in the news for the 2018 tax and Dobson Act was

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C corporations. The C corporations. used to pay

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taxes at 35%. Now they're paying taxes at 21%.

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And so the little guys like us, we said, hey,

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if you're going to give Apple corporation a tax

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break, where's our tax break going to come in?

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That's where the QBI provided a tax break for

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your small business. There's a few components

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to this, but simply you can get up to a 20 %

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deduction on your qualified business income or

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QBI. For most businesses, If I make $100 ,000,

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I can qualify to get up to a $20 ,000 tax deduction.

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However, if I make quote unquote too much money

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and I'm in what's called a specified service

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trade or business. So folks like us who are in

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finance or in accounting, attorneys, physicians,

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if you were in higher than a 24 % tax bracket,

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that deduction started going from 20 % down to

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less than that over time. In this provision,

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if you were $100 ,000 more than the 24 % tax

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bracket, you didn't qualify at all. So they just

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raised the bar to say, hey, it's actually gonna

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be up to $150 ,000. So if you're phased out,

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it's gonna be smaller if you're in that range,

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or you might be able to capture a little bit

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of the deduction if you're at least within $150

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,000 of the 24 % tax bracket. Also, just an important

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note, that Cuba deduction was also stated to

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expire. So a lot of small businesses that were

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getting deductions, I have clients who, hey,

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their deductions are in the hundreds of thousands

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of dollars on this QBI. And they were going to

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lose that deduction if this didn't get extended

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past 2025. So that's another huge win for business

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owners who would have seen their taxes will go

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significantly upward without that extension.

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Yeah, that's great. Very good. How about business

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interest deduction? So this is a very less restrictive

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now, right? So this is a kind of a niche thing.

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This generally is going to impact a business,

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probably in the early stages of their company,

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where they may have a lot of debt financing that

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they do, but not a lot of income to show for

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it initially. And so this is a one sixty three

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J. Effectively, I know you were wondering what

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that code was stated. I know, you know, I know,

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you know, all by heart. So so essentially what

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that says is, hey, you are going to. basically

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the IRS, what they wanted to do is say, hey,

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if you're not making really any money, we're

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gonna limit the amount of interest you can deduct.

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So this is really just gonna change the calculation

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for how we define how much money you're making.

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So they're gonna add back things like depreciation

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or amortization. So instead of that reducing

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the amount of on paper money you're making, and

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then that also subsequently could reduce the

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amount of interest you're able to deduct, the

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IRS basically said, hey, we're gonna not have

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to calculate depreciation and amortization on

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how much money you're making. So that would potentially

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put you in a better position to deduct more interest

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for some of your debt financing. So like I said,

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this is a niche thing that might impact some

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businesses out there, but it's a win for them

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as it relates to being able to have more ability

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to deduct some of their interest expense. What

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is brand new that we didn't have before? Let's

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walk through the first one. I know the extra

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standard deduction for seniors. Very excited

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about that. You walk us through that one. For

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sure. So a lot of people who are getting Social

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Security, they're on pensions or they might be

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taking out distributions from the IRAs, this

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is going to be a big win for them. They actually

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have an additional $6 ,000 per person, so $12

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,000 for a married couple that they get to exclude

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on their income. So we already talked about the

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$31 ,500, then they get an extra $1 ,650, so

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$3 ,300. So that's about $34 ,000 off the top.

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This is an additional $12 ,000 that senior team

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get. Correct. So roughly $45 ,000 that they make

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in taxable income, they won't pay taxes on. All

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right. So that's a big win for them. However,

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the government says, hey, if you make over 150

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,000, you start getting phased out. Half that

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if you're single. All right. So don't get too

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excited if you're a big earner out there, but

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this is a big win for the middle class and below

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that won't have to pay as much taxes on their

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retirement earnings. No, that's great. And then

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of course we have dependent care credit, right?

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In FSA. Let's talk about that. Yeah. Yeah. So

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with the dependent care, I know obviously a lot

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of people are paying childcare to be able to

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go to work. And in the past, the max credit was

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just about $600 per kid of the two kids. They'd

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increased that with the calculation. It's going

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to work out to be about $1 ,380. So another $180

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basically that you're going to get as a tax credit,

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right? That's like a nice night out with your

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family. The government is going to chip in for

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you. You didn't find how many kids you have,

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right? Right, right, exactly. So that's going

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to be an addition. And then the FSA, oftentimes

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employers allow you to put money towards an FSA

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account. So that limit went from $5 ,000 to $7

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,500. So you get an additional $1 ,200 you can

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essentially exclude from your income that can

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go into an FSA account that can be used towards

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paying some of those childcare expenses that

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you have. So that's a big win for both that have

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multiple kids that are under the age of 12 in

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this case. That's excellent. And this is really

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just a broad overview that we're covering today.

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What we're really excited about at Stevens Capital

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Partners is we are growing. We've been growing

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consistently. We're honored to be recognized

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We just found out as well. But I say all that

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just to mention that if you're a business owner

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and you happen to see this video and you say,

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Hey, I really want to partner with someone who

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and your business in a positive way. So thank

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