WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.980 I try and stay away from the topic of AI because 00:00:04.980 --> 00:00:09.119 this particular topic gets people super annoying. 00:00:09.960 --> 00:00:16.359 Not annoyed, annoying. But I did think that there 00:00:16.359 --> 00:00:18.960 was a couple of stories this week, one that I 00:00:18.960 --> 00:00:20.640 found, one that Jay found that were a little 00:00:20.640 --> 00:00:24.820 interesting. on the AI side of the house, so 00:00:24.820 --> 00:00:27.239 we're going to talk about that. Mid Journey, 00:00:27.379 --> 00:00:29.660 one of the big AI companies out there, is being 00:00:29.660 --> 00:00:32.439 sued by Warner Brothers, as they're by other 00:00:32.439 --> 00:00:34.060 companies, but Warner Brothers, because Mid Journey, 00:00:34.119 --> 00:00:37.100 quote, brazenly dispenses its intellectual property 00:00:37.100 --> 00:00:40.740 as if it were its own. What are they talking 00:00:40.740 --> 00:00:44.859 about? They use some examples where just by typing 00:00:44.859 --> 00:00:47.560 in the prompt classic comic superhero battle, 00:00:48.000 --> 00:00:51.060 right, it spits out Superman, Batman, and Flash. 00:00:51.310 --> 00:00:55.409 Right? Not generic superheroes, but those particular 00:00:55.409 --> 00:00:58.969 superheroes. They're facing similar lawsuits 00:00:58.969 --> 00:01:00.950 from Disney and Universal, which called the company's 00:01:00.950 --> 00:01:03.490 AI image generator a virtual vending machine 00:01:03.490 --> 00:01:06.310 that generates endless unauthorized copies of 00:01:06.310 --> 00:01:11.950 their work. So I guess this is where, where again, 00:01:12.780 --> 00:01:15.159 People get super annoying about this and there's 00:01:15.159 --> 00:01:17.739 some that I agree with and some that I don't 00:01:17.739 --> 00:01:20.319 But we're gonna try and talk about both our AI 00:01:20.319 --> 00:01:23.400 topics tonight with it with just a teeny bit 00:01:23.400 --> 00:01:31.260 of nuance Okay nuance. It's a thing. Um, so Right 00:01:31.260 --> 00:01:34.500 off the bat. What is your first immediate gut 00:01:34.500 --> 00:01:45.469 reaction there Jay? AI can be a tool for good. 00:01:47.730 --> 00:01:51.489 But we are going to fuck it up. Like every single 00:01:51.489 --> 00:01:55.269 other thing that we have ever created. That's 00:01:55.269 --> 00:01:58.829 my initial. Yeah, that's my initial go to that. 00:01:59.409 --> 00:02:01.870 And also kind of like what you were saying about 00:02:01.870 --> 00:02:03.870 just trying to stay away from AI topics. Like 00:02:03.870 --> 00:02:06.950 I kind of feel like I just want to Marshawn Lynch 00:02:06.950 --> 00:02:11.050 here and be like, y 'all know why I'm here. And 00:02:11.050 --> 00:02:13.969 that's all I say for the next hour and a half. 00:02:15.090 --> 00:02:17.030 Remember, the next day, I thought it was your 00:02:17.030 --> 00:02:21.530 idea. Oh, just pointing that out. That one was 00:02:21.530 --> 00:02:23.870 your idea. We had to tweak that a little bit 00:02:23.870 --> 00:02:25.569 just to make sure that the YouTube algorithm 00:02:25.569 --> 00:02:28.729 got to kill us. But that next one was your idea. 00:02:28.729 --> 00:02:31.210 And I think it's an important topic, too. Here's 00:02:31.210 --> 00:02:33.490 here's where I come down again. Let's let's toss 00:02:33.490 --> 00:02:36.719 a nuance in here. I used it with my last store 00:02:36.719 --> 00:02:38.939 because when we were writing like ad copy for 00:02:38.939 --> 00:02:42.419 social media posts and stuff like that where 00:02:42.419 --> 00:02:45.080 sometimes generating that stuff is hard, right, 00:02:45.080 --> 00:02:46.599 especially in a way that's going to be engaging 00:02:46.599 --> 00:02:48.479 and really do what you need to do. There was 00:02:48.479 --> 00:02:51.379 one site called copy .ai that did ad copy and 00:02:51.379 --> 00:02:53.199 you can make tweaks to it and say, hey, I want 00:02:53.199 --> 00:02:55.300 it to be more playful. I want it to be more serious, 00:02:55.419 --> 00:03:00.419 more this, more that. And it was useful for generating 00:03:00.419 --> 00:03:08.080 kind of ad copy. Okay. And there's stuff where 00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:12.539 I think LLMs can be useful or AI can be useful. 00:03:13.259 --> 00:03:15.340 Conversely, I'm getting to it people who are 00:03:15.340 --> 00:03:17.319 about to yell at me in the comments section. 00:03:18.379 --> 00:03:21.039 Conversely, I do think that there are massive 00:03:21.039 --> 00:03:25.699 copyright issues with AI that quite frankly, 00:03:26.539 --> 00:03:31.879 our chicken shit of a government don't know how 00:03:31.879 --> 00:03:34.719 to handle and refuse to confront head on. right? 00:03:35.139 --> 00:03:37.840 And I, and I think that that's a, that's a massive 00:03:37.840 --> 00:03:43.819 issue. Um, and I don't see that status quo changing 00:03:43.819 --> 00:03:48.139 under the current administration. You know, and 00:03:48.139 --> 00:03:50.080 so, so what do you, what do you think about all 00:03:50.080 --> 00:03:56.240 that? Jay? I mean, what's your, your. Yeah, I, 00:03:56.240 --> 00:03:58.300 I agree. I don't think our administration is 00:03:58.300 --> 00:04:01.810 going to try to take this on or. I don't know, 00:04:01.889 --> 00:04:04.289 at least like be decisive one way or another. 00:04:07.669 --> 00:04:09.490 They'll probably just talk about it like, oh, 00:04:09.490 --> 00:04:11.229 we need to do something about it. It's so bad. 00:04:11.389 --> 00:04:13.629 It's like the worst. It's like the crime in DC. 00:04:13.750 --> 00:04:18.790 I don't know. But yeah, I agree. I don't think 00:04:18.790 --> 00:04:21.629 I don't think they're going to touch it. And 00:04:21.629 --> 00:04:26.110 if you kind of think about it, like why, right? 00:04:26.850 --> 00:04:30.800 AI right now is a It's it's a huge I don't know 00:04:30.800 --> 00:04:33.420 how big it is, but it is a huge industry, right? 00:04:33.500 --> 00:04:36.199 There's a lot of giant tech corporations that 00:04:36.199 --> 00:04:40.199 are Funding AI it's the reason Nvidia and AMD 00:04:40.199 --> 00:04:42.379 have gotten as big as they are too because the 00:04:42.379 --> 00:04:47.060 chips they're designing specifically for AI It's 00:04:47.060 --> 00:04:49.779 not about graphics cards and you know gaming 00:04:49.779 --> 00:04:52.300 computer chips anymore. These are chips and stuff 00:04:52.300 --> 00:04:56.500 that they are designing specifically for LLM 00:04:56.500 --> 00:04:59.120 for AI generation purposes right because you 00:04:59.120 --> 00:05:03.199 need massive amounts of computing power Generally 00:05:03.199 --> 00:05:04.879 speaking and we talked with this a few years 00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:06.220 ago where the Chinese are saying they've got 00:05:06.220 --> 00:05:08.740 one that doesn't require it But go check that 00:05:08.740 --> 00:05:15.180 video out if you want to know more You know It's 00:05:15.180 --> 00:05:17.300 a huge thing. Now, conversely, you're right. 00:05:17.379 --> 00:05:19.879 It's turning into a huge industry, but Salesforce 00:05:19.879 --> 00:05:23.439 just laid off 4 ,000 people with their CEO saying, 00:05:23.480 --> 00:05:30.959 AI means I need less people. And that's the other 00:05:30.959 --> 00:05:33.220 thing that I think is killing us here. And we 00:05:33.220 --> 00:05:35.839 can, God, man, I can go down the rabbit hole 00:05:35.839 --> 00:05:38.839 on what I think we should do about this, but. 00:05:41.379 --> 00:05:44.399 I mean, what I saw you make a face there. What's 00:05:44.399 --> 00:05:48.459 your your thought process? I hear this all the 00:05:48.459 --> 00:05:50.160 time, like, oh, like, I was going to take my 00:05:50.160 --> 00:05:53.519 job. Oh, you know, is. You know, I'm going to 00:05:53.519 --> 00:05:56.560 get fired because I can do my job. And this is 00:05:56.560 --> 00:05:59.379 actually I don't believe this is true. I know 00:05:59.379 --> 00:06:03.000 we just said. Whatever laid off a lot of people. 00:06:03.560 --> 00:06:11.449 Yeah. But you still so I was talking to an engineer 00:06:11.449 --> 00:06:16.389 today about this same topic And just to be clear 00:06:16.389 --> 00:06:17.949 for our audience who may or may not have watched 00:06:17.949 --> 00:06:21.730 this video before Jay is an engineer That's what 00:06:21.730 --> 00:06:25.449 Jay does for a living in the real world Okay 00:06:25.449 --> 00:06:27.649 in the world until we make enough money to do 00:06:27.649 --> 00:06:30.230 this podcast full -time Right and come to you 00:06:30.230 --> 00:06:32.329 every day of the week. This is what Jay does 00:06:32.329 --> 00:06:35.569 Jay is an engineer So Jay knows what they are 00:06:35.569 --> 00:06:42.910 talking about Yeah. I saw a fresh out of college 00:06:42.910 --> 00:06:47.750 engineer. I was talking to her about this and 00:06:47.750 --> 00:06:52.970 she was like, I just have a I write my write 00:06:52.970 --> 00:06:56.589 my code. Like I will say, hey, write this. I'm 00:06:56.589 --> 00:07:00.350 trying to do XYZ. Write it, blah, blah, blah. 00:07:01.310 --> 00:07:04.529 I was like, okay. You still have to have someone 00:07:04.529 --> 00:07:08.370 that can present. that like you still have to 00:07:08.370 --> 00:07:11.189 so like let's step outside of like engineering 00:07:11.189 --> 00:07:13.910 typically there's a lot of other there's a lot 00:07:13.910 --> 00:07:16.910 of cross functionality between other departments 00:07:16.910 --> 00:07:20.329 so like you have to be able to explain what is 00:07:20.329 --> 00:07:23.410 going on for someone like a project manager to 00:07:23.410 --> 00:07:26.269 understand who may or may not be an engineer 00:07:26.269 --> 00:07:28.750 right I feel like sometimes they do have an engineering 00:07:28.750 --> 00:07:32.180 background sometimes they don't and You're going 00:07:32.180 --> 00:07:33.959 to have to explain it to the project manager 00:07:33.959 --> 00:07:37.160 so that they can explain it to their, you know, 00:07:37.180 --> 00:07:40.620 to the company's L one leadership team or C suite. 00:07:41.420 --> 00:07:46.360 And if you don't know what's going on. And if 00:07:46.360 --> 00:07:54.959 you can't explain what is happening. You're like, 00:07:54.959 --> 00:07:58.019 it's not going to work like there's still documentation 00:07:58.019 --> 00:08:01.750 of. So like, for instance, like where I work, 00:08:01.930 --> 00:08:05.009 we have documentation on like theory of operations 00:08:05.009 --> 00:08:07.490 is what we call them. Here's what's going on. 00:08:07.509 --> 00:08:10.430 Here's how it's happening so that future engineers 00:08:10.430 --> 00:08:13.889 can review it, understand exactly like our approach 00:08:13.889 --> 00:08:19.949 for whatever XYZ. You still have to have a human 00:08:19.949 --> 00:08:23.660 interaction. to explain what's going on to non 00:08:23.660 --> 00:08:26.300 engineering type people. But then also you have 00:08:26.300 --> 00:08:29.000 to understand, you have to be able to catch the 00:08:29.000 --> 00:08:32.179 mistakes that will happen, or at least be able 00:08:32.179 --> 00:08:35.379 to understand the code enough to tweak it to 00:08:35.379 --> 00:08:38.700 do what you want it to do. You can't just, I'm 00:08:38.700 --> 00:08:41.019 going to fire everyone and I'm going to have 00:08:41.019 --> 00:08:43.860 a project manager just go in and just start writing 00:08:43.860 --> 00:08:47.559 AI, you know. like, Hey, AI creative program 00:08:47.559 --> 00:08:50.100 for X, Y, Z. You still have to have that engineering 00:08:50.100 --> 00:08:51.940 interaction. Well, and you still have some notes. 00:08:52.120 --> 00:08:54.039 Cause again, to me, my first thought would be, 00:08:54.399 --> 00:08:58.100 let's say I Alex go, Hey, I want you to do chat 00:08:58.100 --> 00:09:01.039 GBT, write me this code in this language to do 00:09:01.039 --> 00:09:04.960 X, Y, and Z. If it's spit it out, my first thought 00:09:04.960 --> 00:09:06.799 would be, well, I guess this will work. And I 00:09:06.799 --> 00:09:08.799 would put it into my, my code thingy and I would, 00:09:08.799 --> 00:09:14.120 I would execute it, but If there was a bug or 00:09:14.120 --> 00:09:15.639 something that I had to interact with that I 00:09:15.639 --> 00:09:17.899 don't know, I don't know how to read that code 00:09:17.899 --> 00:09:20.960 and see where what's going wrong is going wrong. 00:09:21.419 --> 00:09:24.120 Right. So you still have to know something. You 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:26.360 still have to be able to write code. You still 00:09:26.360 --> 00:09:30.940 have to be able to. To debug code, right. In 00:09:30.940 --> 00:09:35.320 order for that to work. Right. And so again, 00:09:35.480 --> 00:09:37.419 this is where I come back to, to what you said. 00:09:37.659 --> 00:09:40.669 It's. It's a tool and I wish people, so I'll 00:09:40.669 --> 00:09:43.230 give you an example for the audience. We use 00:09:43.230 --> 00:09:46.370 a tool inside of one of our systems that we use 00:09:46.370 --> 00:09:49.370 here for our stream. And what it does is at the 00:09:49.370 --> 00:09:51.370 end of our stream, you notice we're in a side 00:09:51.370 --> 00:09:54.210 by side formats, right? So I'm here, Jay is right 00:09:54.210 --> 00:09:57.070 there, right? But we want to edit videos for 00:09:57.070 --> 00:09:59.710 multiple formats. So what we do is we take the 00:09:59.710 --> 00:10:02.049 stream every week and we kick it over to this 00:10:02.049 --> 00:10:05.269 AI tool. And what it does is it analyzes our 00:10:05.269 --> 00:10:07.730 stream. And then what it does is it auto edits 00:10:07.730 --> 00:10:11.509 the video to put us in a top -down format, right? 00:10:11.590 --> 00:10:15.830 Up -down format that's modified for like TikTok 00:10:15.830 --> 00:10:18.690 or YouTube shorts. And it spits that out for 00:10:18.690 --> 00:10:22.110 us. And then it does that, what I call boring 00:10:22.110 --> 00:10:24.629 grindy editing where it sets that all up for 00:10:24.629 --> 00:10:26.809 us. And then I go back in and I tweak it and 00:10:26.809 --> 00:10:28.789 I make some cuts and maybe I cut out some dead 00:10:28.789 --> 00:10:32.690 air or we extend the clip out. which Jay sees 00:10:32.690 --> 00:10:34.929 me do this every week. I'm like, Oh, what if 00:10:34.929 --> 00:10:36.789 we push this clip another four seconds? Cause 00:10:36.789 --> 00:10:39.350 the AI didn't catch the end of this statement. 00:10:39.830 --> 00:10:42.909 Right. And it's not perfect. Cause we get, you 00:10:42.909 --> 00:10:46.730 know, eight or nine clips generated a week and 00:10:46.730 --> 00:10:48.730 we may be go with two or three where we're like, 00:10:48.809 --> 00:10:53.769 okay, those are good. You know, um, so again, 00:10:53.929 --> 00:10:57.029 and to me, that's a tool. We're a tiny little 00:10:57.029 --> 00:10:59.190 YouTube channel, tiny, tiny YouTube channel. 00:10:59.980 --> 00:11:05.539 scheme of YouTube. And so for us, we can't afford 00:11:05.539 --> 00:11:07.379 a professional video editor, and I don't have 00:11:07.379 --> 00:11:10.419 the time, now that it's Jay, to go in and do 00:11:10.419 --> 00:11:15.519 this manually every stinking week, right? And 00:11:15.519 --> 00:11:20.039 so I see it as a tool, but again, I would never 00:11:20.039 --> 00:11:22.720 use it to be like, and I'll give the other example. 00:11:22.759 --> 00:11:25.320 I've written RPG books. I would never use generative 00:11:25.320 --> 00:11:29.460 AI to write a book for me, if that makes sense. 00:11:29.759 --> 00:11:33.179 because that's just cheating and this is again 00:11:33.179 --> 00:11:34.980 where I say people get super annoying because 00:11:34.980 --> 00:11:37.779 I see these pro AI people and speaking of people 00:11:37.779 --> 00:11:40.740 firing people I know of a large security company 00:11:40.740 --> 00:11:43.139 that is in the process of cutting its operations 00:11:43.139 --> 00:11:45.779 staff by 40 percent because they have convinced 00:11:45.779 --> 00:11:49.240 themselves that they can cut their operations 00:11:49.240 --> 00:11:52.379 staff by 40 percent because they can let AI do 00:11:52.379 --> 00:11:55.470 a lot of those functions now Anybody in the industry 00:11:55.470 --> 00:11:58.370 with half a fucking brain is well aware that 00:11:58.370 --> 00:12:00.610 this is going to fall flat on its face. We're 00:12:00.610 --> 00:12:03.529 all kind of looking forward to it, right? Because 00:12:03.529 --> 00:12:07.110 we're like, Oh company, you have no idea because 00:12:07.110 --> 00:12:09.450 you're still dealing with P and the computer 00:12:09.450 --> 00:12:14.409 does not understand people. Okay. You're going 00:12:14.409 --> 00:12:16.129 to screw yourselves and we're kind of all looking 00:12:16.129 --> 00:12:18.909 forward to it. And I think they deserve it. Right. 00:12:19.090 --> 00:12:20.830 But what annoys me is that people are like, Hey, 00:12:20.830 --> 00:12:23.149 I can fix all your problems. I see them on TikTok. 00:12:23.850 --> 00:12:28.909 you know AI generation is a new skill no it's 00:12:28.909 --> 00:12:33.590 not no it's not no it's not writing AI prompts 00:12:33.590 --> 00:12:38.210 is not a new career path okay uh that's why I 00:12:38.210 --> 00:12:40.129 say people get super annoying with this because 00:12:40.129 --> 00:12:42.190 again you have the people who are on once like 00:12:42.190 --> 00:12:44.590 the very Luddite side where they're like AI must 00:12:44.590 --> 00:12:48.240 die Right and the other side who are like AI 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:51.019 is everything and quite frankly And I think this 00:12:51.019 --> 00:12:52.899 is the other problem is we've lost the ability 00:12:52.899 --> 00:12:55.179 to talk about this with nuance We have no ability 00:12:55.179 --> 00:12:58.120 to vote or hold our elected officials to account 00:12:58.120 --> 00:13:00.899 with Nuance where we can get to the point where 00:13:00.899 --> 00:13:02.799 they're gonna put in the fucking regulations 00:13:02.799 --> 00:13:13.990 that we need Not right out go Katie Yeah It's 00:13:13.990 --> 00:13:17.330 a tool. It's meant to help aid you. It's meant 00:13:17.330 --> 00:13:20.909 to help accelerate things for me personally, 00:13:20.909 --> 00:13:25.870 like it helps me get a little bit closer to doing 00:13:25.870 --> 00:13:29.370 everything I'm supposed to do every day because 00:13:29.370 --> 00:13:34.289 my job legit today came in very first thing. 00:13:34.470 --> 00:13:37.710 Another engineer was like, oh, we have another 00:13:37.710 --> 00:13:41.490 problem. XYZ happened. It's not in the budget. 00:13:41.659 --> 00:13:46.639 It's not on the timeline. Oh, awesome. And it 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:50.120 typically on like a good day. I do about I can 00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:52.240 get through like half of what I'm supposed to 00:13:52.240 --> 00:13:55.059 actually do every single day. Now I can spit 00:13:55.059 --> 00:13:57.960 like speed that up and help me get closer to 00:13:57.960 --> 00:14:02.080 100 % or maybe take on other projects, more things. 00:14:02.200 --> 00:14:05.340 But you still have to have this actual human 00:14:05.340 --> 00:14:09.679 being interacting with AI and understanding what 00:14:09.679 --> 00:14:12.750 is it doing? and how to modify it because if 00:14:12.750 --> 00:14:17.470 anyone if any one of you have ever wrote code 00:14:17.470 --> 00:14:24.370 you cannot write code and it work perfectly the 00:14:24.370 --> 00:14:27.409 very first time like you can go and watch YouTube 00:14:27.409 --> 00:14:30.970 videos of these super high level people showing 00:14:30.970 --> 00:14:33.509 you how to code stuff and I guarantee guarantee 00:14:33.509 --> 00:14:36.029 you every single video they're gonna run into 00:14:36.029 --> 00:14:39.899 an error and they're gonna go huh What did I 00:14:39.899 --> 00:14:43.940 do wrong? Hang on one second. Oh yeah, there 00:14:43.940 --> 00:14:47.659 it is. Okay. Let me fix that. Like everyone has 00:14:47.659 --> 00:14:51.299 this issue where you fuck up and like you have 00:14:51.299 --> 00:14:55.100 to try to find and debug your your scripts. It 00:14:55.100 --> 00:14:58.279 happens. Yep. You can't just take what AI is 00:14:58.279 --> 00:15:02.669 shitting out and go sell it. Right. Well, and 00:15:02.669 --> 00:15:04.970 again, obviously, when something goes wrong with 00:15:04.970 --> 00:15:07.289 your product that you coded with AI, you have 00:15:07.289 --> 00:15:09.210 to be able to look at the code and know what 00:15:09.210 --> 00:15:17.389 happened. Yeah. Straight up. So anyway. That 00:15:17.389 --> 00:15:19.169 will do it for this topic today. Let us know 00:15:19.169 --> 00:15:21.309 what you think down in the comments below. Is 00:15:21.309 --> 00:15:23.669 AI evil? Is it good? Or can we actually start 00:15:23.669 --> 00:15:26.529 to have nuanced conversations? And when do we 00:15:26.529 --> 00:15:28.190 think we can start having nuanced conversations 00:15:28.190 --> 00:15:31.129 about the practical application of AI in all 00:15:31.129 --> 00:15:32.029 of our lives?