I try and stay away from the topic of AI because
this particular topic gets people super annoying.
Not annoyed, annoying. But I did think that there
was a couple of stories this week, one that I
found, one that Jay found that were a little
interesting. on the AI side of the house, so
we're going to talk about that. Mid Journey,
one of the big AI companies out there, is being
sued by Warner Brothers, as they're by other
companies, but Warner Brothers, because Mid Journey,
quote, brazenly dispenses its intellectual property
as if it were its own. What are they talking
about? They use some examples where just by typing
in the prompt classic comic superhero battle,
right, it spits out Superman, Batman, and Flash.
Right? Not generic superheroes, but those particular
superheroes. They're facing similar lawsuits
from Disney and Universal, which called the company's
AI image generator a virtual vending machine
that generates endless unauthorized copies of
their work. So I guess this is where, where again,
People get super annoying about this and there's
some that I agree with and some that I don't
But we're gonna try and talk about both our AI
topics tonight with it with just a teeny bit
of nuance Okay nuance. It's a thing. Um, so Right
off the bat. What is your first immediate gut
reaction there Jay? AI can be a tool for good.
But we are going to fuck it up. Like every single
other thing that we have ever created. That's
my initial. Yeah, that's my initial go to that.
And also kind of like what you were saying about
just trying to stay away from AI topics. Like
I kind of feel like I just want to Marshawn Lynch
here and be like, y 'all know why I'm here. And
that's all I say for the next hour and a half.
Remember, the next day, I thought it was your
idea. Oh, just pointing that out. That one was
your idea. We had to tweak that a little bit
just to make sure that the YouTube algorithm
got to kill us. But that next one was your idea.
And I think it's an important topic, too. Here's
here's where I come down again. Let's let's toss
a nuance in here. I used it with my last store
because when we were writing like ad copy for
social media posts and stuff like that where
sometimes generating that stuff is hard, right,
especially in a way that's going to be engaging
and really do what you need to do. There was
one site called copy .ai that did ad copy and
you can make tweaks to it and say, hey, I want
it to be more playful. I want it to be more serious,
more this, more that. And it was useful for generating
kind of ad copy. Okay. And there's stuff where
I think LLMs can be useful or AI can be useful.
Conversely, I'm getting to it people who are
about to yell at me in the comments section.
Conversely, I do think that there are massive
copyright issues with AI that quite frankly,
our chicken shit of a government don't know how
to handle and refuse to confront head on. right?
And I, and I think that that's a, that's a massive
issue. Um, and I don't see that status quo changing
under the current administration. You know, and
so, so what do you, what do you think about all
that? Jay? I mean, what's your, your. Yeah, I,
I agree. I don't think our administration is
going to try to take this on or. I don't know,
at least like be decisive one way or another.
They'll probably just talk about it like, oh,
we need to do something about it. It's so bad.
It's like the worst. It's like the crime in DC.
I don't know. But yeah, I agree. I don't think
I don't think they're going to touch it. And
if you kind of think about it, like why, right?
AI right now is a It's it's a huge I don't know
how big it is, but it is a huge industry, right?
There's a lot of giant tech corporations that
are Funding AI it's the reason Nvidia and AMD
have gotten as big as they are too because the
chips they're designing specifically for AI It's
not about graphics cards and you know gaming
computer chips anymore. These are chips and stuff
that they are designing specifically for LLM
for AI generation purposes right because you
need massive amounts of computing power Generally
speaking and we talked with this a few years
ago where the Chinese are saying they've got
one that doesn't require it But go check that
video out if you want to know more You know It's
a huge thing. Now, conversely, you're right.
It's turning into a huge industry, but Salesforce
just laid off 4 ,000 people with their CEO saying,
AI means I need less people. And that's the other
thing that I think is killing us here. And we
can, God, man, I can go down the rabbit hole
on what I think we should do about this, but.
I mean, what I saw you make a face there. What's
your your thought process? I hear this all the
time, like, oh, like, I was going to take my
job. Oh, you know, is. You know, I'm going to
get fired because I can do my job. And this is
actually I don't believe this is true. I know
we just said. Whatever laid off a lot of people.
Yeah. But you still so I was talking to an engineer
today about this same topic And just to be clear
for our audience who may or may not have watched
this video before Jay is an engineer That's what
Jay does for a living in the real world Okay
in the world until we make enough money to do
this podcast full -time Right and come to you
every day of the week. This is what Jay does
Jay is an engineer So Jay knows what they are
talking about Yeah. I saw a fresh out of college
engineer. I was talking to her about this and
she was like, I just have a I write my write
my code. Like I will say, hey, write this. I'm
trying to do XYZ. Write it, blah, blah, blah.
I was like, okay. You still have to have someone
that can present. that like you still have to
so like let's step outside of like engineering
typically there's a lot of other there's a lot
of cross functionality between other departments
so like you have to be able to explain what is
going on for someone like a project manager to
understand who may or may not be an engineer
right I feel like sometimes they do have an engineering
background sometimes they don't and You're going
to have to explain it to the project manager
so that they can explain it to their, you know,
to the company's L one leadership team or C suite.
And if you don't know what's going on. And if
you can't explain what is happening. You're like,
it's not going to work like there's still documentation
of. So like, for instance, like where I work,
we have documentation on like theory of operations
is what we call them. Here's what's going on.
Here's how it's happening so that future engineers
can review it, understand exactly like our approach
for whatever XYZ. You still have to have a human
interaction. to explain what's going on to non
engineering type people. But then also you have
to understand, you have to be able to catch the
mistakes that will happen, or at least be able
to understand the code enough to tweak it to
do what you want it to do. You can't just, I'm
going to fire everyone and I'm going to have
a project manager just go in and just start writing
AI, you know. like, Hey, AI creative program
for X, Y, Z. You still have to have that engineering
interaction. Well, and you still have some notes.
Cause again, to me, my first thought would be,
let's say I Alex go, Hey, I want you to do chat
GBT, write me this code in this language to do
X, Y, and Z. If it's spit it out, my first thought
would be, well, I guess this will work. And I
would put it into my, my code thingy and I would,
I would execute it, but If there was a bug or
something that I had to interact with that I
don't know, I don't know how to read that code
and see where what's going wrong is going wrong.
Right. So you still have to know something. You
still have to be able to write code. You still
have to be able to. To debug code, right. In
order for that to work. Right. And so again,
this is where I come back to, to what you said.
It's. It's a tool and I wish people, so I'll
give you an example for the audience. We use
a tool inside of one of our systems that we use
here for our stream. And what it does is at the
end of our stream, you notice we're in a side
by side formats, right? So I'm here, Jay is right
there, right? But we want to edit videos for
multiple formats. So what we do is we take the
stream every week and we kick it over to this
AI tool. And what it does is it analyzes our
stream. And then what it does is it auto edits
the video to put us in a top -down format, right?
Up -down format that's modified for like TikTok
or YouTube shorts. And it spits that out for
us. And then it does that, what I call boring
grindy editing where it sets that all up for
us. And then I go back in and I tweak it and
I make some cuts and maybe I cut out some dead
air or we extend the clip out. which Jay sees
me do this every week. I'm like, Oh, what if
we push this clip another four seconds? Cause
the AI didn't catch the end of this statement.
Right. And it's not perfect. Cause we get, you
know, eight or nine clips generated a week and
we may be go with two or three where we're like,
okay, those are good. You know, um, so again,
and to me, that's a tool. We're a tiny little
YouTube channel, tiny, tiny YouTube channel.
scheme of YouTube. And so for us, we can't afford
a professional video editor, and I don't have
the time, now that it's Jay, to go in and do
this manually every stinking week, right? And
so I see it as a tool, but again, I would never
use it to be like, and I'll give the other example.
I've written RPG books. I would never use generative
AI to write a book for me, if that makes sense.
because that's just cheating and this is again
where I say people get super annoying because
I see these pro AI people and speaking of people
firing people I know of a large security company
that is in the process of cutting its operations
staff by 40 percent because they have convinced
themselves that they can cut their operations
staff by 40 percent because they can let AI do
a lot of those functions now Anybody in the industry
with half a fucking brain is well aware that
this is going to fall flat on its face. We're
all kind of looking forward to it, right? Because
we're like, Oh company, you have no idea because
you're still dealing with P and the computer
does not understand people. Okay. You're going
to screw yourselves and we're kind of all looking
forward to it. And I think they deserve it. Right.
But what annoys me is that people are like, Hey,
I can fix all your problems. I see them on TikTok.
you know AI generation is a new skill no it's
not no it's not no it's not writing AI prompts
is not a new career path okay uh that's why I
say people get super annoying with this because
again you have the people who are on once like
the very Luddite side where they're like AI must
die Right and the other side who are like AI
is everything and quite frankly And I think this
is the other problem is we've lost the ability
to talk about this with nuance We have no ability
to vote or hold our elected officials to account
with Nuance where we can get to the point where
they're gonna put in the fucking regulations
that we need Not right out go Katie Yeah It's
a tool. It's meant to help aid you. It's meant
to help accelerate things for me personally,
like it helps me get a little bit closer to doing
everything I'm supposed to do every day because
my job legit today came in very first thing.
Another engineer was like, oh, we have another
problem. XYZ happened. It's not in the budget.
It's not on the timeline. Oh, awesome. And it
typically on like a good day. I do about I can
get through like half of what I'm supposed to
actually do every single day. Now I can spit
like speed that up and help me get closer to
100 % or maybe take on other projects, more things.
But you still have to have this actual human
being interacting with AI and understanding what
is it doing? and how to modify it because if
anyone if any one of you have ever wrote code
you cannot write code and it work perfectly the
very first time like you can go and watch YouTube
videos of these super high level people showing
you how to code stuff and I guarantee guarantee
you every single video they're gonna run into
an error and they're gonna go huh What did I
do wrong? Hang on one second. Oh yeah, there
it is. Okay. Let me fix that. Like everyone has
this issue where you fuck up and like you have
to try to find and debug your your scripts. It
happens. Yep. You can't just take what AI is
shitting out and go sell it. Right. Well, and
again, obviously, when something goes wrong with
your product that you coded with AI, you have
to be able to look at the code and know what
happened. Yeah. Straight up. So anyway. That
will do it for this topic today. Let us know
what you think down in the comments below. Is
AI evil? Is it good? Or can we actually start
to have nuanced conversations? And when do we
think we can start having nuanced conversations
about the practical application of AI in all
of our lives?