Hey everybody welcome to our spoiler talk for
Fantastic Four First Steps. Please note the spoiler
warning between Jay and I. That's just the spoiler
talk. If you want the non -spoiler review click
up there okay there'll be a card that'll lead
you to the non -spoiler review and then after
you've seen the movie come back and we can discuss
all the crazy crap that happened in this movie
that we couldn't talk about in our regular review
because we would have spoiled the shit out of
it. So go check out our regular view it'll be
up in the card up there but again there's your
spoiler warning and let's go. Holy crap, Jay,
where do you want to start? This is such a consequential
movie for the MCU. I don't even know where to
begin. Everything again, everything that that
that we saw in the close was in the first 20
minutes of the movie. Let's start with them going
after Galactus. Yep. What did you think of that
whole sequence like because they leave and they're
like, all right, we're gonna take the work We're
gonna we're gonna do like an endgame. We're gonna
or infinity. We're gonna take the fight to glasses.
We're gonna go negotiate We're gonna have a conversation
with this guy What did you think of that whole
sequence? Yeah I thought was great because one
that's the first time that you see Galactus you
see Um, everyone's reaction where they're like,
Oh shit, we have not gone up against anything
like this before. His ship looks amazing. Ship
looks sick. Um, yeah. And I don't know you seeing
like Galactus is like eyes first, like light
up. You're like, Oh God, um, you, you kind of
get this like sense, which I mean, this is what
they're going for, that they cannot win. Right.
Like this is they're way over their heads. They
are. They are beat. Yeah. Even with the Silver
Surfer being able to just freaking phase in and
out, zip around, surf around, which I really
love the interaction between the Silver Surfer
and the Fantastic Four. But. Yeah, Galactus.
the first kind of scene that you see him. I was
like, oh, God, here we go. Like, this is sick.
It it's such a strong, strong sequence. Yeah.
The only thing that kind of it made me interested
as they were leaving and then Sue goes into labor
as they're leaving Galactus's place. And I was
like, oh, really? Like, we're just just going
here now. Are we OK? You know, I like the sequence
though Uh the johnny's line the the I don't tell
you how to do I forget what he said He's like,
I don't tell you how to fly. Don't tell me how
to kill sexy aliens Yeah Oh, and I I also loved
his line like okay I get like johnny loves women
john johnny loves space like johnny loves sexy
space aliens or whatever like But here's the
thing I saw that clip before we saw the movie
on tiktok right where it was it was floating
around in one of the clips they released right
johnny loves women johnny loves space now there's
a naked space lady and you know johnny thinks
they had a moment What I like is and I want to
come back to this because they Chekhov's gun
it a couple of times in the movie right early
Right first with the the teleportation device
because at the very beginning the movie reads
trying to do his teleporting eggs And you're
like, okay, cool. And my first thought when I
was watching him teleport the egg is I was like,
well, there's Chekhov's gun, right? And then
when they're getting the deep space transmissions
and he's like cutting them to vinyl and Johnny's
taking them, I'm like, hmm, is that going to
come into play later? And it does. And this is
the thing I said in our review. It would have
been very easy for them to make Johnny one note,
right? I'm the fire guy who runs around and flies
and does cool stuff. But in my opinion his greatest
contribution to the fight was the cerebral side
of it Where he he spends all that time translating
her language Right and has nothing to do with
his powers, but to me that's the biggest impact
he has on the story Yeah Because This is like
the thing because they mentioned that like he
he's a scientist like they're all they're all
scientists and in the other fantastic the first
one will wait the first two I don't know I can't
they're just so shit. He was just really stupid
like I don't remember him doing like anything
like really major and that's that's what we kind
of see right like We see that he he likes to
joke around. He likes to goof off a bit. He likes
to give everyone a hard time. But then he like
desperately wants to prove to the others like,
no, like I can do stuff to like I'm not just
the flame guy. Like I'm a scientist. I can figure
stuff out. And then you do he like he pulls it
off like. And the impact is huge. The impact
wins. A lot of that is winning the fight. Yeah.
Because without that, I don't think you would
have convinced the Silver Surfer to actually
help beat Galactus. Yes. Because they're basically
beat at that point, right? They're basically
done like Sue spent everybody. They don't know
how the fuck is the thing. They've pushed him
into the teleport machine, which again, there
was our other Chekhov's gun. One was the deep
space transmissions with the vinyl and the other
being the teleport machine. At the beginning,
they established these things are here. And I
was like, OK, let's see how these are going to
play. And then we got this comes back out. You're
like, oh boy. And then Johnny goes to do the
thing and then she beats him and pushes Gladys
back to the teleporter. Which I to be honest,
when he started coming back out, I kind of thought
what they were going to do was Galactus is going
to come out and then read was going to like push
or somehow. get everyone into the portal just
before it closed and teleport them away from
Galactus to save his family. That's what I was
thinking. So the only reason I did is I kept
thinking about that Thunderbolts post -credit
scene, right? Where we see the Fantastic Four
spaceship, the Excelsior come in to the 616.
And so what's interesting to me is I was like,
where I really thought it was going to end is
they were going to lose. And they were going
to be fleeing Galactus, which is how they end
up in the six with six. But that's not the case.
That is not what happens. They beat Galactus.
And we're going to we're going to jump around
in the in the in our spoiler view here. And then
really, it's it's about the time jump in that
mid credit scene because we got baby Franklin,
right, who glad just wants because he's got the
power cosmic. That's what they say in the movie.
Franklin has the power cosmic. Glock just wants
Franklin. so that he can stop running around
and eating shit. Right. And but in the mid -credits
scene, they do a five year time jump. So whatever
we see in Thunderbolts where they're coming to
the 616 happens after that five year time jump,
Franklin's not a baby anymore. Yeah. He a little
dude. Which, again, I actually think will be
better for Doomsday. Yeah. And yes, we get Dr.
Doom ish. We we get we get a hooded thing with
Franklin kind of touching his face. And then
we see the mask. You know, you do not see doom's
face. But now I'm kind of curious how why they're
going to end up leaving, because again, I I thought
Galactus was going to beat him and they were
going to flee to the 616 to get away from Galactus.
Nope. Nope. What else do we say Franklin obviously
yes powerful right sues all spent she dies right
and they're like here Franklin go lay on mommy
and my friends like fuck you bitch Mommy doesn't
die. I'm Franklin See right there Because I also
thought the entire movie out that they were going
to lose and like you mentioned That's how you
see them in the Thunderbolts So at that moment
right there, I was like, cause they kind of left
her dead for a little bit, like a little, like
it lingered a little bit. And so I was like,
I was like shit. So she's dead and maybe read
does his science shit. And then because they
mentioned about during what is his like little
scientific talk to all the children. He mentions
about like this proves parallel universes. They're
like, Maybe he goes deep into that research,
opens up a parallel universe, gets to 616 trying
to find a reality where she's still alive. And
I was like, shit, this is so dark. But as soon
as like Franklin came out and like laid on top
of her, I was like, OK, never mind. Like she's
coming back because of the comics. He's one of
the most powerful characters in all of Marvel.
Yeah, he can create his own reality. And again,
I'm not sure they're going to do that in the
MCU. That's a good question, but we're gonna
find out Let's see, let's stick to it. Let's
stick to what we know what what did have a plot
again I loved Johnny's like translation sequence
and when he was like, I see what you did shallow
ball. She's like what? Yeah, that was god That
was sick. It was so good. It was really good
Everybody had stuff to do I had I loved that
I'm trying to think what else we want to talk
about here with story stuff. What else did you
notice that you want to to bring up for our lovely
spoilery stuff? There's so much. There is so
much. Good time jumps in there. I don't know.
I loved I love the whole clobbering time. It's
clobbering time because in this reality I am.
They're celebrities and there's a cartoon and
in the cartoon the cartoon says it's climber
time, but Ben doesn't actually say that It's
so funny What time is it? It's dinner time. I
don't say that. Come on The dinner sequence happens
a few times throughout the movie too. There's
a few It's not just the one they do go back to
the dinner table a couple of times I like that.
They establish that I feel like a lot was cut
out of this movie Obviously we know John Malkovich
this whole section whatever that was supposed
to be is gone There was something from the trailer
where where remember they're walking the guy
around and reads like we make sure to have dinner
here every Sunday Right that doesn't happen in
the movie. Oh, yeah Right. We don't see any of
that So here's Let's let's move into our theory
crafting right all year ago. So my theory now
is that downy is the Is the victor vondue from
the eight to eight universe throughout the movie
multiple times when they're showing shots of
the future foundation where Sue's running you
see the latvarian flag You see the seat where
that very is supposed to be and nobody's in it
It's empty. It's pointed and I again it was another
Chekhov's gun to me. I was like, it's not gonna
pay off later Like, Latveria is the only one
not chilling. Americans are like, everyone disarmed
their military, except Latveria. Yeah. Right.
And I'm like, OK. So that's my theory. And so
my guess is, again, Doom is the one from the
828 is who Downey is. Right. We know Feige said
that after Secret Wars, they're going to be recasting
Iron Man like Tony Stark and Steve Rogers. that
Secret Wars, he's pretty much confirmed that
it's going to be a soft reboot of the MCU. Right.
Yep. So what what do you see here that you think
that that's going to be that. How does Franklin's
powers and them coming to the 616 tie in with
the stuff that we know, because we know Loki's
in Doomsday, right? And the last we saw Loki,
he's holding the fucking multiverse together
with his bare hands. Right. How does all this
play out? In your mind. I could see it. They're
they're getting their ass kicked. And I could
see Franklin opening up a portal to the 616 to
save his family and like take him away from danger.
That's how we see them in Thunderbolts. That's
how they get to the 616. And then, yeah, I could
see, like, just even then, everyone loses. You
have an endgame scenario where just fucking everyone's
dying. Like at the end of Infinity War. Yeah.
And maybe then Franklin creates his own reality
where everyone is still alive. Battleworld. A
different. So, yep. So I don't know if this is
it so here's here's my theory now I think doom
takes Franklin like that To the 616 because obviously
read confirmed. Okay, we know parallel universes
exist. He says that in the movie. So Reed figures
out okay We have a way to track Franklin to what
place in the multiverse doom took him Right,
so we're gonna follow he took him to this universe,
right? Because my guess is Doom's going to try
and harness Franklin's power to create Battleworld
for Doomsday. And I think you're right that I
think all of Doomsday is going to be them getting
the shit kicked out of them as Doom pulls realities
together because we know the Fox X -Men reality
is going to get sucked in here. We know a lot
of realities are going to get sucked in and then
Doom is going to use Franklin's powers to create
Battleworld where he's in charge. I mean that's
solid and solid theory Okay, so question I asked
you out of the theater and now I want to know
because we knew of the time jump with sue Right
in the mid credit scene was like five years later.
So so he's not a baby anymore. So here's my other
question right Is Valeria born yet Because he's
five now. Right. Do we. So do we think Sue and
Reid have had. Their second kid yet. I. I'm going
to say no. You don't think they're going to bring
Valeria in yet? Yeah, I'm. Oh, I don't really
know. I feel like it could go either way. I'm
going to say no, though. No. Yeah, I'm going
to say no. OK. That's interesting. I really want
to know. Yeah. I really want to know if they're
going to bring Valeria. I wasn't expecting them
until the trailer started. So I did not expect
to see Franklin in the first Fantastic Four movie.
I figured they were going to wait like Fantastic
Four two. Right, you know too fantastic to for
this But then we got Franklin early and we've
leveled Franklin up to age five and we know he's
got the power cosmic So what happens now They
all die I'm trying to think what is the next
what is the next MCU release? I think it's Doomsday.
Yes, I have a condo. I'm not talking. And by
the way, for those of you watching on YouTube,
I'm not talking about. Goofy crap. Oh, no, Spider
-Man. Spider -Man brand new day is July 31st,
2026. That's our next major release. OK, right.
And that doomsday comes out next December. And
sometime next year, they have not confirmed when
the Vision series happens. Yeah, because, yeah.
And I think we had Daredevil born again season
two next year as well. Dear God. So. But really,
our next movie is Spider -Man. And that kind
of fits, because I think that's going to lead
well into into Doomsday. I think spider -man
ends with doomsday shit Okay, I mean I kind of
I kind of feel like it has to To kind of just
sink everything together Yeah But yeah, I think
the MC use back I think they're doing good. I
think we've got a solid foundation here again
Yeah I 100 % agree. This, yeah, this was a very
fun, entertaining, what I expect from Marvel
movies when I go see a Marvel movie, which I
did not get in the last Captain America movie.
No. No. I also think this was great for establishing
who the Fantastic Four are. Yep. Right. I think
that's solid. Like we now have a strong sense
of who they are going into doomsday. Right. Oh,
yeah. 100 percent. You know, like like we know
who these people are and what they're all about.
Is there any other spoiler details you want to
do before we before we cut this one and start
editing and doing all our fun stuff? Was there
anything else you noticed in the movie that that
was interesting to you from a spoiler perspective?
Oh You think interesting to me, um Not Yeah,
I'll say this They're more powerful than I remember
them being in any other movie, right? There's
in the montage at the beginning you see Johnny
absorbing shit tons of fire, right? And like
I'm gonna suck up like entire like a whole blocks
worth of Buildings are on fire. I suck it all
up and now I got it all and I'm fine He sucks
up some lava. Like Johnny is really powerful
in this movie and so is sue right the storm siblings
are brutal Yeah, I I loved it I did I did like
did you notice that though how powerful both
of them were Yeah, because I think Johnny absorbing
I mean I could be wrong here It kind of looked
like it was a nuclear reactor that was on fire
that Johnny it could have been but um And I I
really did enjoy that in the beginning because
we also got to see some like small -time villains
that we've never seen in movies That was kind
of cute kind of funny But yeah, these are they're
They're badass. Um, even um, yeah even sue I
mean She's yeeting Galactus into that portal.
Holy shit. Again, her and Johnny both I was like,
damn, they're powerful. Yeah. From a power perspective,
Reed seems to be the least powerful. And you
don't we don't see Reed's powers much. They look
good when they do it, but he doesn't do much.
Powers wise. I've always thought. Of him like
that like I've always thought of him as the more
scientist Scientific kind of guy that's going
to be doing the research in the background and
then he can just like stretch really weird sometimes
I'm So yeah to me that made sense like his his
focus on the team is trying to problem solve
and come up with the solution that doesn't involve
just having them, you know, it's clobbering time
technique. So to me, that makes sense. But yeah,
the others. Now, here's what I will say. I thought
thing looked great. I thought he was fun. But
like when I'm watching this movie and I think
of like Hulk versus thing, I don't see this thing
standing toe to toe with the Hulk. He doesn't
seem that strong to me. Not Hulk strong. I don't
think he's Hulk strong. I don't think. I don't
think he could beat Hulk. I don't think he could
hold his own with Hulk. Because in the in the
comics, they fight a few times. But I don't I
don't get the sense that this Hulk that this
thing could fight the Hulk. Yeah, and I. Hmm.
I also really liked in this movie that you really
like saw him. Kind of emotional, yeah, like you
like they show his like face and how like handsome
he was and then like the TV goes out and you
just see like his reflection. They tried to do
that in one of the Fantastic Four movies from
the early aughts and they just didn't pull it
off. Well, they also did lean into the in comic
book things, religion thing is Jewish. Right
Ben Grimm is Jewish in the comic books and in
the movie he goes into a synagogue Right. Yeah,
and she like you're here for spiritual stuff,
you know, I I liked his His interactions with
Natasha Leon's character Yeah, even though I
don't know if we ever learned her name, you know
But he really is just like this gentle like giant
dude. He's like I like kids I like everybody
but I'm sad cuz I'm a rock man Yeah, yep Yeah,
we do it well They do they they do they do it
well, I I did enjoy his character he's not the
strongest in the Fantastic Four I would say maybe
the Third most powerful. He's like above read
in my opinion. Oh, yeah for sure I can't believe
I forgot about this the thing beard. He grows
a beard OK, so in the beginning, he like you
find out that he basically his rock continues
to grow and he's been using like a rock rider
to shave, shave his face down in the movie. But
then they have to conserve power. And he's like
that. And he's like, I think you look good with
the beard. And then like two scenes later, he's
got a rock beard. Yeah, that was that was pretty
funny. I did like I was like, oh, no, they actually
gave him the beard. It was great. Yeah. So we
we get thing beard He could grow rough, but that's
actually interesting to hit the rock grows Yeah,
yeah That I I don't remember that I don't remember
that ever having in the comics, but I might be
wrong So leave it in the comments down below
if I'm wrong about that So, yeah does like other
rock parts of him grow Oh, no, but I thought
a little nugget of information about the thing
grow beard Can grow a beard there. Yeah All right,
folks With that, we will leave you there. What
other interesting, spoiler -y comments or stuff
did you see in the movie that we didn't cover
in this video? Leave those down in the comments
below. We both really like this movie, and I
think it's gonna have huge impacts going forward.
So, good job, Marvel. You finally made a fantastic
movie, four movie that doesn't suck. Yay! Have
a great day, everybody.