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about it in a spoiler -tastic fashion for Thunderbolts.
Again, Jay and I saw a kind of day zero advanced
fan screening today for Thunderbolts. We both
enjoyed the movie. Let's start with the obvious
thing, the asterisk, right? We put the asterisk
in the title. Right. So first off. Were you surprised
by the explanation of the asterisk? I was. I'm
not going to I'm not going to lie. I was like,
what's up with the Asterix? Is it like because
the name was already taken like another movie
was called the Thunderbolts? Is it like I did
not understand the meaning behind this? I did
not. And then they explain it. At the very end
and they're the New Avengers literally the New
Avengers New Avengers with a Z So let's let's
talk about New Avengers really quick. So New
Avengers is actually a comic book, right? The
first like crew of which is like spider -man
Wolverine Spider -woman and Luke Cage so not
the people who see this movie, but New Avengers
is a thing and that's the asterisk the whole
time by the way, the joke is In the comics, the
Thunderbolts are formed by Thunderbolt Ross,
who obviously is Red Hulk and is now in prison
after the events of Brave New World. But in this
case, it's Yelena's childhood soccer team. That's
where the name came from. He's like, we are the
Thunderbolt. And they're like sponsored by shades.
And then they get to argue about who sponsored
her soccer team as a child. Which was a little
running gag they had um So so there's the asterisk
they at the end of the movie they are announced
as the new avengers So obviously Marvel trying
to pull one over on all of us by calling it thunderbolts
asterisk When it's there's a new avengers Yeah,
you're shaking your head like you don't like
this or or what? I did. I actually really liked
it because like it was surprising and you know,
I I like being surprised. You know, I on unlike
you, I didn't really know what to expect from
from the Thunderbolt. So I was like everything
was a surprise to me. I did not figure out the
plot of the movie. And honestly, like the person
I thought was going to die, I thought. Oh, yeah.
Who did you think was going to die? We mentioned
this in the non -spoiler review. David Harbor.
You thought Red Guardian was going to die? Yes,
because because he was the guy that was like
you said, he was trying to bring everyone together.
He was the heart of the team. And I thought we
were going to go with like Agent Colson here.
We're like, oh, OK. Oh, like they can't get along.
They're fighting. Something happened. He dies.
And then they band together. And that didn't
happen. No, I'm happy about. Yeah. The only death
we get, we get we get Taskmaster really early
in the film. Taskmaster shows up and got done.
Boom. Over right in the head. Like, OK. Right.
Because they get Valentina sends them all to
kill each other. Right. and then incinerate the
evidence. Like, all right, you all kill each
other and then whoever's left, I'll just burn
them alive. It'll be fine. But it doesn't work
out that way because of Bob. Right. Bob is Sentry.
Right. And in the comics, Sentry and Void are
two halves of the same coin. Sentry is Superman.
Right. In the comic books. And here he is very
much Superman. That was that was definitely the
vibe you got when he was fighting the Thunderbolts
in that moment. Yeah. Yeah, 100 percent like
they the little like the research that they discover
on him. They said something like, oh, like he
has the power of ten thousand sons or something
like immediately. I was just like, oh, shit,
is this like Superman? Yeah, he's he's Superman,
except he's got the other side of him, which
is the void, which is psychotic and creates little
shadow things on the ground and like mercs people
that was a cool visual when he starts shadowing
people on the ground I was like damn I I'm not
gonna lie like that scene um when like they're
all like helping each other save like the civilians
and then um there's the little girl that just
gets yeah David Harbour saves the little girl
Oh, my God. I was like, oh, I was like, she's
dead. Oh, my God. And they started that one.
That was kind of the first one out the gate beyond
the soldier guys. You were like, oh, OK, like.
Yeah, we're just merkin fools. Right out the
gate. OK, void. Try to think what else we want
to talk about cutting here in our spoiler review.
It's it's again, I'm going to go watch it again
this weekend. I'll probably take my daughter
to it. The pacing, it felt like it kind of, it
kind of got a slow start. I was like, what are
you doing? Where are we going? I like that she
stole the guinea pig. Like she goes in to blow
the lab up at the beginning and she finds this
guinea pig and she's talking to the guard that
she's tied up. And then she fights the scientist
and like telegraphs the fight. She talks, she
narrates what's going to happen until he accidentally
shoots himself in the head. Yeah, that was like,
oh, that one's supposed to happen. And she's
like, I needed that face. Yep. But before she
blows up the lab, she steals the guinea pig and
is just walking down the road with the guinea
pig. I was like, oh. And then we see the guinea
pig in credits with the I don't know, the AI
art or whatever. The guinea pig is on the front
of the George Washington vote. Yes, I like the
guinea pig. Yeah, I mean ultimately I said I
clocked at the beginning I was like, okay You
learn is going through all this stuff and then
what the the reason I clocked it is the second
he started touching people Right. He does it
to you Elena first. He touches you later. She
goes back into like Some weird alt universe where
she's seeing her a horrible thing from her past
then he does it to walk her right which I mentioned
this as we were waiting for the end credits.
Please, guys, start using his name. He's U .S.
agent. Okay. He's U .S. agent. Okay. Let's stop.
Yes, it was funny. We had the jokes about dime
store and junior university, Captain America.
Right. He's U .S. agent. That's his stupid name.
Right. In the comic books. Okay. He's U .S. agent.
Anyway. Yeah. when he when he starts touching
them and they go into their little void space
and like relive that horrible thing and that
he does the same thing to walker right while
they're still in the vault i was like oh so what's
going to happen is they're going to go into the
void space at the end and they're going to find
good bob and they're going to talk and everything
they're going to work out their demons and everybody's
going to work it out And it was it was when we
got the walker one the Elena one I wasn't sure
what once they needed to walker. I was like,
oh, okay This is where rap and so the whole movie.
I was like Okay, we're gonna get to the point
where they're all going into the void Which was
the only downside to me for the movie I was like
I know what's happening That that's so that is
like the the I don't know the bad dark side of
reading all the comics. And it's hard. It's hard
to read all the comics. But yeah, I I'm not gonna
lie. Like there's there's moments when like new
movies like this come out. I'm like, oh, Thunderbolts.
Like should I look at like a like a paperback
and like try to like read up on the Thunderbolts?
And I'm like, stop. No, don't do it. Don't do
it. Just be surprised. So I like that. And I
will say that. That's what I'm happy. I managed
to because apparently the asterisk thing leaked
a couple of days ago and I know. Yeah, I missed
it. I was like, no, and I'm not going to look
because I want to be surprised because Kevin
Feige had said that the asterisk was on the Thunderbolts
title for a reason. And I was like, that's interesting.
And Feige is very deliberate. So I was like,
it's going to be what's going to be. And then
we get. Our reasoning they're the new Avengers
Our other post credit we had at the end of the
Marvels was we get we get miss Marvel and Kate
Bishop So maybe we're gonna have new Avengers
and young Avengers all coming together for Avengers
doomsday Was there anything before we get to
the post credit scenes anything else like within
the film? Spoilery wise that you want to chat
about I mean, let's let's talk about the struggle
with depression theme. I liked that That was,
um, it was really cool because they did it in
a manner to me that wasn't like cheesy and it
wasn't like, Oh, this is lame. Like it was like
these guys have a dark past and you can't shove
that down. It's going to come back. It's going
to boil over. Um, and if it does and you can't
control it, you're going to fucking start voiding
people out, you know, like, and it's it was.
And there's some there's some like dark scenes
of like child murder. Yeah, childhood murder
abuse. It's yeah. His parents like abuse. Well,
and like when they're whipping the girls in the
red room after they fail, the gun putting together
a competition like. Yeah. They do not shy away
from dark themes in this movie. And I liked it.
I like that. Yeah. I thought it was a good move.
Yeah, I thought it was good writing. All credit
to Florence Pugh, man. She played it well. She
really did like you bought it the whole time.
And I think that same dialogue, that same story
with a lesser actress. I mean, and there's a
reason she's in Chris Nolan's films. There's
a reason she's done the movies that she's done
outside of the MCU. She's a very talented actress.
Yeah. And I think that she I think a lesser actress
could have made that cheesy and not land the
same way. Yeah, I agree. Again, and I'm going
to go back to David Harbour again, from the very
beginning of the movie, when she comes to see
him and he's brushing his teeth with dish soap.
Right. the whole time he's trying to be like
he's he is unrelenting in his love for her and
his belief in her the whole movie and it's not
a put it's not a put on job right like you do
you do not ever get the sense that he is anything
but sincere in he's saying Yelena I know you
did this stuff it wasn't your fault you were
a child And I love you, and I'm here to support
you. The whole time, like he, and I think again,
I think David Harbour sells it well. He plays
it well. And even when she's rejecting him, he's
just like, you know what, it's fine. I'm gonna
come back with the same message again. That I
love you, you're a good person, you can be a
hero. And I believe in you like the whole time.
And I think and I think that ties back to the
mental health talk of, you know, people with
like depression, they need to hear these things.
They need to hear like, hey, like that's that's
not who you are. Like you're a good person. And
there was actually one subtle thing that I liked
really, really much. So with Bob. Yeah. When
we go into Bob's past, there is I can't remember
the exact phrase. Oh, yeah. So you want to be
a hero or like something like that or like you'll
ever be a hero or something. His dad says it
to him. Yeah. When he's trying to protect his
mom. Yeah. And the void tells Bob. And that is
like a huge that's self -talk. That's a negative
self -talk. So like. When you're, when you grow
up and your parents say horrible shit to you,
then when you get older, you don't realize it.
You think it's your like own inner dialogue talking
to you, but it's actually the voice of your abuser,
your, your dad or whatever. Um, and I was like,
Oh shit. I was like, damn, this is like some
deep, like therapy shit. I didn't like a Marvel
movie. I was like, Oh God, very much. Yeah. Yeah.
And it's and here's the thing. It's it's it's
Red Guardian showing that unconditional love
for Yelena and him saying you can be more. And
that's what she goes into the void to tell Bob
you can be more. Right. I'm here. Like the way
that Red Guardian's like, I'm here for you. I
will do what you need to make you better. She
pays that forward to Bob. to save it and then
eventually it's everybody and then and then we
get the group hug. That was the only thing that
surprised me was that it was like at the end
it was like all of us are gonna we're here for
you Bob right and I thought that was I thought
that that paying for mention that thing where
she was like you know you're better and she figures
out that was the part that surprised me. I knew
she was going to go to the void. I knew it was
going to be that what it got me was he's beating
the crap out of the void in there inside the
fake world. right? The void world and he's beating
the **** out of the void. No, you're not. I'm
not going to let you down talk me anymore. Bad
voice self talk and she it clicks. She's like,
no, that's what he wants. He wants you to let
in that violence. He wants you to let in that
anger. Yeah. At the self talk and that to me
is that that mirror to self harm. Yeah. Yeah.
Right? which is what he's doing. He's he's cutting
or impeding self -harm in that moment. And she
figures it out. She's like, oh, no, this is what
the void wants. Stop it. Don't finish beating
it up. You can't shut it down. It's a part of
you. So deep that. Yeah. You know what? I'm liking
the movie more. Again, remember I said when we
left, I was like, I gotta percolate on it. I
gotta like, the more we discuss it, I'm like,
you know what? Yeah. Yeah. And if you haven't
seen the movie yet, which why are you watching
this video? But like, um, it's dark and it has
these themes, but then it, they have funny, like
lightness. I was like busting out laughing like
that scene. with the limo where he comes rolling
up in the limo and he's like, he lied up. She's
so embarrassed. She's right. She's like, no,
don't don't. She's the embarrassed kid whose
parents are picking her up from school. She's
like, no, why are you here? Yeah. I like I again.
And yeah, there's those lighthearted moments.
Yeah. Right. He's like, we could be on the with
his box. Right. Oh I love that and then the post
credit he's standing in the thing be like at
me on the Wheaties box be on the with his box
Wheaties is good for children Good cereal. I
like that post credit. So that's the silly post
credit is The Wheaties box he he like he's trying
to pick up on some woman by showing that he's
on the Wheaties box as the new Avenger guy Now
the second post credit scene, let's shout about
that There's a couple things they drop one. There's
a 14 month time gap Yep, right So my current
running theory is They're giving time for daredevil
born again season 2 to happen Right because that's
coming too right and I think they're also giving
time for spider -man to happen Okay. So, those
are the two that I'm like, Feige is like, we
need a, we need a time jump here, right? So,
we got a 14 months later. They're the new Avengers
but they're apparently in an argument with Sam
about who's the actual Avengers and maybe Sam's
put together another team. Yeah. And he trademarked
it like a like a dick. And then, he's like, we'll
be the Avengers Z, right? And this is where you
think it's a silly thing. Now, this is again,
two things. Again, this is where I feel like
it's a step backwards at the end of Falcon and
Winter Soldier and again in brave new world Sam
and Bucky ain't got no beef right At the end
of doctor winter soldier Sam and Bucky are good
in brave new world it's Bucky who comes to see
Sam in a hospital and Say it's okay, and they
have that great scene. It's one of the best scenes
in brave new world is one with Sam and Bucky
Where Bucky's like yeah? Look, this is going
to have to do. It's a great scene. And then at
the end credits are like, well, did you talk
to Sam? And he's like, yeah, it didn't go well.
And I'm like, the fuck happened? Like. So unless
there's another movie within that 14 months that
has a lot of backstory. There's not, though.
But like the only the only thing I can think
of is Sam is pissed. Because, like, how dare
you take these criminals. Nutsos and make them
the Avengers. Like you have JV. Captain America,
like that's you should not be allowed. Like you're
disgracing my friend Captain America. I think
you can let Yelena in. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. And ghosts
didn't do anything wrong. Not really. Yeah. I
get I get US agent. I get JV Captain America,
but not Bucky. Bucky's fine. Elaine is fine.
Right. Yeah. So again, this is where I get confused.
Now, moving on at the end of that end credits
scene, they're like, there's a ship coming in.
It's an extra dimensional ship entering the thing.
And they're like, bring up a satellite. And it
is at somebody. I saw somebody post this. Do
not read the credits. If you don't want to be
spoiled about the end scene before you get there,
because in the credits, they say the Fantastic
Four theme. And I was like, I didn't hear the
Fantastic Four theme during the movie. Right.
And then we get to the end credits and that extra
special ship comes in. And it's very obviously
that design you've seen in the trailers, that
retro 60s rocket. And then it spins and we get
a big four. Yep. So. Uh yeah. Something's going
to happen this summer at Fantastic Four where
they're going to leave and come to the 616. Yeah.
Um and we also learned something else very important
in that post credit scene. Remind me. Uh Bob
can do the dishes. Bob can't do the dishes. Bob
is still there but he's not using his powers
because he's afraid of the void. Which is very
valid like Fair enough. He's like, they're both
there. Like, I got to be careful. Yeah. I think
it's going to be interesting going into doomsday.
Yeah, this is a good setup for Fantastic Four.
It's a good setup. We got a new Avengers team
now in Avengers doomsday that can assemble with
Sam's Avengers and you'd be fine. Yeah. Try to
think if there's anything else we want to talk
about during the spoiler review. Yeah. I don't
know. What was your favorite funny moment? That
wasn't in the trailers. That wasn't in the trailers.
Trying to think what my favorite funny moment
was. I think I think. Oh, me. Go ahead. No, go
ahead. All right. I think for me, when when they're
going through the different worlds and then all
of a sudden they start getting the shit beat
out of them by the guy in the chicken costume.
Oh, yeah. I was on math. I was on. That that
to me was hilarious because it came out of nowhere.
So I don't know, it's just. That was funny. Yeah.
What about Bob? If that chicken hits me one more
time. Gosh. I think I one of them I think of
is that they come busting in with the truck and
they get into the big fight scene in the truck.
And then she's like, I just had that drywall
replaced. The doors open. Like y 'all can just
come upstairs and they're like, oh Okay, and
this is like and then like he walks by and head
butts the dude on his way through and then they
just go upstairs like mmm Yep, like that entire
fight was totally unnecessary. Yep We fought
them because we thought we had to but we didn't
you know There are some great moments. I hope
we see more of Wendell Pierce Congress guy. I
love what appears as an actor right I Did like
at the end when she went when Valentina tries
to turn around she's like look what I did the
new Avengers and I was like Oh somebody better
do something the thing that redeemed that scene
for me as I was about to be pissed again Because
they were like we're gonna beat the crap out
of her We're going to break her bones. I was
like, thank God she's finally going to get her
come up. And then you go through and there's
the press and she's like, these are the new Avengers.
And then you later goes over and it's like, we
own you now. I so thought she was going to punch
her in the face in front of that was even better
because she was like, now you have not because
you turned us into the heroes. Yeah. So you're
screwed. Right and I loved that line from Yelena
like we own you now. It's like yes Yeah, it was
good. If you're not gonna kill her at least make
her useful. Um So there you go folks, what were
your favorite moments from Thunderbolts, I hope
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