WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.120 in what can only be considered an absolutely 00:00:03.120 --> 00:00:05.780 bonehead way of announcing the core avengers 00:00:05.780 --> 00:00:09.140 doomsday cast unveiling a new director's chair 00:00:09.140 --> 00:00:14.140 every 12 minutes with the name of the cast members 00:00:14.140 --> 00:00:17.100 uh what should have been like a five minute announcement 00:00:17.100 --> 00:00:20.359 uh turned into a boring five and a half hour 00:00:20.359 --> 00:00:25.660 event god they literally it was it was like every 00:00:25.660 --> 00:00:28.359 12 minutes we're gonna pan to a new chair that's 00:00:28.359 --> 00:00:32.460 empty with somebody's name in it. Like, I don't 00:00:32.460 --> 00:00:34.520 know what you were thinking, Feige, but let's 00:00:34.520 --> 00:00:38.579 move on from that. Regardless, we now have what 00:00:38.579 --> 00:00:41.200 appears to be the full primary cast for the next 00:00:41.200 --> 00:00:43.939 Avengers film, and there's some surprises in 00:00:43.939 --> 00:00:47.020 there, both in who's there and who's been left 00:00:47.020 --> 00:00:49.479 out. So we're going to talk about the cast announcement 00:00:49.479 --> 00:00:53.179 and what it makes us think about Avengers Doomsday. 00:00:53.299 --> 00:00:55.320 Jay, we were talking about this just before the 00:00:55.320 --> 00:01:01.119 show. What name shocked you? The most Channing 00:01:01.119 --> 00:01:07.060 Tatum. Channing Tatum, that was the one. That 00:01:07.060 --> 00:01:10.019 was the one. That was the one. I'll be honest, 00:01:10.400 --> 00:01:13.579 because we had seen Channing recently as Gambit. 00:01:14.319 --> 00:01:18.400 The one that got me was Alan Cummings. Because 00:01:18.400 --> 00:01:21.140 we have not seen Alan Cummings as Nightcrawler 00:01:21.140 --> 00:01:27.599 since X2. Oh. Right and what year was that what 00:01:27.599 --> 00:01:33.280 year did x2 release? Oh my god? It's a segment 00:01:33.280 --> 00:01:42.739 quiz with Alex now 2003 2003 is when x2 came 00:01:42.739 --> 00:01:47.760 out See yeah, we're gonna go through the whole 00:01:47.760 --> 00:01:52.500 list here in just a second, right again some 00:01:52.500 --> 00:01:55.069 of them makes sense to me. I'm like, yeah, you 00:01:55.069 --> 00:01:58.390 need some core OG Avengers. Some of the new people 00:01:58.390 --> 00:02:01.969 that the MCU has, you know, brought in, like 00:02:01.969 --> 00:02:06.109 Shang -Chi, right? We love Shang -Chi. Simu Liu 00:02:06.109 --> 00:02:10.669 is a treasure, right? The Fantastic Four. We're 00:02:10.669 --> 00:02:13.530 expecting them, right? That comes out this summer, 00:02:14.210 --> 00:02:20.469 right? Here's where we get to it. We had a bunch 00:02:20.469 --> 00:02:26.889 of old school X -Men. Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellen, 00:02:27.469 --> 00:02:31.729 Alan Cumming, James Marsden and Rebecca Romaine. 00:02:33.810 --> 00:02:40.629 Right. And Jay's like racking his comic book 00:02:40.629 --> 00:02:42.770 brain right now, going, what the hell are they 00:02:42.770 --> 00:02:46.310 going to do? What are they going to do? Octokitty, 00:02:46.409 --> 00:02:49.530 what are they going to do? Seriously? Well, let's 00:02:49.530 --> 00:02:52.129 let's do this before we get a thing. That many 00:02:52.129 --> 00:02:54.110 X -Men characters were you expecting that many 00:02:54.110 --> 00:02:56.550 old school X -Men characters Kelsey Grammer? 00:02:58.150 --> 00:03:04.229 No, I'm not at all so It kind of honestly kind 00:03:04.229 --> 00:03:09.150 of worries me that They're going to have too 00:03:09.150 --> 00:03:11.789 much going on for one movie, but you know, we'll 00:03:11.789 --> 00:03:16.469 see Jay is for those that listen to this audio 00:03:16.469 --> 00:03:18.409 only possibly you're listening to this in the 00:03:18.409 --> 00:03:22.229 background on your YouTube app Jay is physically 00:03:22.229 --> 00:03:26.469 grimacing right now and has been grimacing since 00:03:26.469 --> 00:03:30.289 the beginning of this. What is happening? OK. 00:03:31.710 --> 00:03:33.289 This we're going to theory and yes, we're going 00:03:33.289 --> 00:03:35.349 to read through them all, but this is where we're 00:03:35.349 --> 00:03:37.270 going to get into theory crafting a little bit. 00:03:38.870 --> 00:03:42.210 This is a new Avengers level threat, right? Like 00:03:42.210 --> 00:03:46.270 Thanos. We have to establish immediately that 00:03:46.270 --> 00:03:51.740 doom is both bad. And because we haven't we haven't 00:03:51.740 --> 00:03:55.419 introduced doom yet. Nobody's seen Dr. Doom Right 00:03:55.419 --> 00:03:58.120 in the MCU, right? Cuz you gotta remember mainstream 00:03:58.120 --> 00:04:02.479 audiences, right? And to we have to establish 00:04:02.479 --> 00:04:05.699 the fact that he's fucking powerful Right. We 00:04:05.699 --> 00:04:10.699 have to make him powerful So, how do we do that? 00:04:10.939 --> 00:04:12.860 How do we and there's been some speculation some 00:04:12.860 --> 00:04:15.039 of the channels I watch about how do we how do 00:04:15.039 --> 00:04:17.819 we very quickly establish? Doom is fucking evil 00:04:18.350 --> 00:04:23.509 And he's powerful. So doge. So here's how we're 00:04:23.509 --> 00:04:27.129 going to do it. We're going to kill a bunch of 00:04:27.129 --> 00:04:32.810 them. Yeah. So this is this is my theory. Patrick 00:04:32.810 --> 00:04:36.269 Stewart, Ian McKellen, Alan Cummings, Rebecca 00:04:36.269 --> 00:04:40.209 Romaine, James Marsden, Channing Tatum. They're 00:04:40.209 --> 00:04:43.660 fucking dead. Right, we know the next phase after 00:04:43.660 --> 00:04:45.699 Secret Wars is the mutant saga, right? We're 00:04:45.699 --> 00:04:47.379 ending the multiverse saga. We're moving into 00:04:47.379 --> 00:04:50.420 the mutant saga. Feige is gonna want his own 00:04:50.420 --> 00:04:56.279 X -Men. Right? What better way to establish Doom 00:04:56.279 --> 00:05:00.899 as a bad guy and as a powerful bad guy than having 00:05:00.899 --> 00:05:07.500 him merc all of these people? Like halfway through 00:05:07.500 --> 00:05:16.819 the movie. No, yeah, it it makes sense and then 00:05:16.819 --> 00:05:19.100 it solves my issue of like having too much shit 00:05:19.100 --> 00:05:25.439 going on So I did this little thing right before 00:05:25.439 --> 00:05:28.579 the show right and this is the full list right 00:05:28.579 --> 00:05:32.220 Patrick Stewart professor X fucking dead Right 00:05:32.220 --> 00:05:35.480 dudes gonna kill him Ian McKellen Magneto dead 00:05:35.480 --> 00:05:38.939 Alan coming as nightcrawler dead Rebecca. We've 00:05:38.939 --> 00:05:42.420 made his mystique dead James Mars's Cyclops dead 00:05:43.139 --> 00:05:46.480 Jan and Tatum as Gambit, dead. Kelsey Grammer 00:05:46.480 --> 00:05:51.339 as Beast, dead. Right? I think that that first 00:05:51.339 --> 00:05:55.420 seven that's in that cast list, I think they're 00:05:55.420 --> 00:05:57.180 fucking dead. By the end of the movie, they're 00:05:57.180 --> 00:06:02.339 done. Because the names that I don't see on this 00:06:02.339 --> 00:06:04.139 list lead me to believe I think I know what's 00:06:04.139 --> 00:06:08.920 going to happen in Secret Wars. Right? And let's 00:06:08.920 --> 00:06:11.139 see if Jay agrees with me by the end of this. 00:06:11.399 --> 00:06:13.899 So we bring Doom in. He kills all these people 00:06:13.899 --> 00:06:16.019 during the cause of the incursion. Right. We've 00:06:16.019 --> 00:06:18.399 talked about incursions in the MCU. We talked 00:06:18.399 --> 00:06:20.420 about it in Doctor Strange and the Multiverse 00:06:20.420 --> 00:06:22.639 of Madness. Right. And then at the end of the 00:06:22.639 --> 00:06:28.120 Marvels, Monica Rambeau ends up over in the X 00:06:28.120 --> 00:06:31.240 -Men universe. All right. So I think Chris Hemsworth 00:06:31.240 --> 00:06:33.319 is in there. He's part of the cast. I think he 00:06:33.319 --> 00:06:34.939 lives. I don't think they're going to kill off 00:06:34.939 --> 00:06:38.879 Thor. Vanessa Kirby is Sue Storm. She's not dying. 00:06:39.879 --> 00:06:43.100 Right. Anthony Mackie is Captain America. I'm 00:06:43.100 --> 00:06:46.879 pretty sure he's going to survive to doomsday 00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:51.879 or to secret wars. Sebastian Stan. I don't see 00:06:51.879 --> 00:06:54.579 him killing Bucky. Tell me, Jay, jump in here 00:06:54.579 --> 00:06:58.019 any time you disagree. I don't know. I could 00:06:58.019 --> 00:07:02.180 see Bucky dying. OK. Leticia Wright as our new 00:07:02.180 --> 00:07:05.339 Black Panther. This is the closest to a 50 -50 00:07:05.339 --> 00:07:08.680 that I've got. You'll notice on my list, I put 00:07:08.680 --> 00:07:13.060 them as 51%, right? That's because I think she 00:07:13.060 --> 00:07:17.040 lives, but I'm not sure. So I'm edging over to 00:07:17.040 --> 00:07:19.079 lives, but I can be convinced the other way. 00:07:20.180 --> 00:07:25.759 Paul Rudd is Ant -Man. I think he's dead. I think 00:07:25.759 --> 00:07:28.620 they're going to kill off Ant -Man. After how 00:07:28.620 --> 00:07:32.480 bad Ant -Man 3 was, Paul Rudd's getting up there 00:07:32.480 --> 00:07:33.939 in age, even though he looks like he's still 00:07:33.939 --> 00:07:38.519 29. I think they kill Ant -Man, and I think that 00:07:38.519 --> 00:07:41.420 that has emotional weight for the audience. Yeah, 00:07:41.420 --> 00:07:44.100 I agree. Wyatt Russell is dime store Captain 00:07:44.100 --> 00:07:47.399 America slash U .S. agent. I think he lives. 00:07:51.079 --> 00:07:53.139 He does have the super soldier serum now. He 00:07:53.139 --> 00:08:00.180 is a super soldier. Oh, yeah. Yeah. OK. Tenac 00:08:00.180 --> 00:08:03.819 Huerta Mejia. That's our new Namor. I think he 00:08:03.819 --> 00:08:07.040 lives. Right. I don't think they're going to 00:08:07.040 --> 00:08:09.060 kill off Namor yet. I don't think they're done. 00:08:09.759 --> 00:08:12.000 Ebenmas Baccarac. That's our new thing. He's 00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:15.240 he's not going to die. Simu Liu, Shang -Chi. 00:08:15.439 --> 00:08:21.000 He's not going to die. Florence Pugh as Yelena. 00:08:21.500 --> 00:08:24.279 This one I wrote is a tough call. I don't know. 00:08:27.639 --> 00:08:37.740 I just don't know. Where are we at? Lewis Pullman. 00:08:37.899 --> 00:08:39.279 That's our new sentry that we're about to see 00:08:39.279 --> 00:08:43.820 in Thunderbolts. I think he lives. Right. Danny 00:08:43.820 --> 00:08:46.200 Ramirez, which is our new Falcon that we saw 00:08:46.200 --> 00:08:48.899 in the new Captain America. I think he lives. 00:08:49.720 --> 00:08:52.720 Joseph Quinn, the new Human Torch. He's not going 00:08:52.720 --> 00:08:55.899 to die. David Harbour's Red Guardian. This is 00:08:55.899 --> 00:08:57.620 another one that I'm saying is a tough call. 00:08:59.960 --> 00:09:02.220 I love David Harbour's Red Guardian. I think 00:09:02.220 --> 00:09:08.549 the character is great. Loved him in Black Widow 00:09:08.549 --> 00:09:10.649 Every time I watch the Thunderbolts trailer, 00:09:10.649 --> 00:09:16.470 I love them. It's either they're either I do 00:09:16.470 --> 00:09:18.409 really like him and I think the audience really 00:09:18.409 --> 00:09:20.590 likes him it's either gonna be one of those things 00:09:20.590 --> 00:09:22.250 where they're not going to kill him off because 00:09:22.250 --> 00:09:25.889 they can't afford to or or They're going to kill 00:09:25.889 --> 00:09:29.549 him off to get that like emotional like Tuck 00:09:29.549 --> 00:09:33.779 on your heartstrings. Yeah Winston Duke as Mbacu. 00:09:34.000 --> 00:09:36.120 I think he lives and if they kill off Mbacu, 00:09:36.120 --> 00:09:43.139 I'm gonna be fucking pissed. Okay. Fucking. You 00:09:43.139 --> 00:09:47.480 better not kill off Mbacu. Hannah John came in 00:09:47.480 --> 00:09:49.360 as Ghost. She's in the new Thunderbolts movie. 00:09:49.419 --> 00:09:58.289 I wrote Who Cares? Tom Hiddleston is Loki. He's 00:09:58.289 --> 00:10:00.649 holding the universe together. I think he's the 00:10:00.649 --> 00:10:04.429 McGuffin of the movie. Yeah, I don't think I 00:10:04.429 --> 00:10:06.789 don't think you can just in general. I don't 00:10:06.789 --> 00:10:09.029 think they can afford to kill him off. He's the 00:10:09.029 --> 00:10:11.169 one holding the multiverse. Now, what they may 00:10:11.169 --> 00:10:13.429 do is kill him off at the very end. And that's 00:10:13.429 --> 00:10:16.629 the person that doom kills to start disentangling 00:10:16.629 --> 00:10:23.460 the universe. To build that world, right? Pedro 00:10:23.460 --> 00:10:25.519 Pascal, he's our new Mr. Fantastic. He'll be 00:10:25.519 --> 00:10:30.779 fine. And Robert Downey Jr. as Dr. Doom. He's 00:10:30.779 --> 00:10:32.960 obviously going to make it to secret wars, right? 00:10:33.039 --> 00:10:34.860 There would be no point killing off your Dr. 00:10:34.960 --> 00:10:39.059 Doom before you get to secret wars. Looking at 00:10:39.059 --> 00:10:45.100 this list. Is there any obvious like omissions 00:10:45.100 --> 00:10:47.320 from recent MCU history that you're like, why 00:10:47.320 --> 00:10:51.139 the fuck is this person not in there? Hmm. It's 00:10:51.139 --> 00:10:56.159 a good question. I guess like the only one that 00:10:56.159 --> 00:11:01.980 like I'm shocked that's not in it that like has 00:11:01.980 --> 00:11:06.320 made a really big impact in Marvel recently. 00:11:08.840 --> 00:11:18.919 It's Jeff the shark. No, I'm. I'm thinking. I 00:11:18.919 --> 00:11:26.080 guess like stuff. I don't know. I can. Wesley 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:30.460 Snipes is really old now, but I would love to 00:11:30.460 --> 00:11:34.639 get a reboot of Blade. Well, they had they had 00:11:34.639 --> 00:11:37.059 casted Mahershala Ali as the new blade in the 00:11:37.059 --> 00:11:39.539 MCU, and that movie has been stuck in development 00:11:39.539 --> 00:11:44.159 hell for five years. Why? Why? Script is apparently 00:11:44.159 --> 00:11:47.720 been the problem. The script. This is the this 00:11:47.720 --> 00:11:49.320 is the shit that pisses me off. They can't get 00:11:49.320 --> 00:11:52.759 a script locked. It's a fucking comic book movie, 00:11:52.759 --> 00:11:55.659 bro. How many blade comic they're still selling 00:11:55.659 --> 00:12:00.100 blade comics. I shit storylines look Writing 00:12:00.100 --> 00:12:03.460 a screenplay is hard. I'll give them that Summoning 00:12:03.460 --> 00:12:06.539 the chap brought up the Eternals That's falling 00:12:06.539 --> 00:12:08.340 into the list of I think Marvel's just gonna 00:12:08.340 --> 00:12:12.440 try and hope we forget about that Kind of like 00:12:12.440 --> 00:12:15.759 secret Secret evasion like Barlow just doesn't 00:12:15.759 --> 00:12:17.960 want us to remember that secret evasion happened. 00:12:18.360 --> 00:12:28.870 We're just gonna Get that app it's fine So so 00:12:28.870 --> 00:12:33.450 the the omissions on this list This is what it 00:12:33.450 --> 00:12:36.110 makes me believe because the ones that strike 00:12:36.110 --> 00:12:40.669 me as odd right Given what they've done in the 00:12:40.669 --> 00:12:43.570 MCU in recent years the number one on the list 00:12:43.570 --> 00:12:55.539 that I went, huh? Is Miss Marvel. Right. OK, 00:12:55.580 --> 00:12:57.659 because we've established she is very powerful. 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:00.720 Right. Critical. And they've got that whole next 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:03.799 Gen Avengers thing kind of going like the post 00:13:03.799 --> 00:13:06.360 credit with her and Kate Bishop and things like 00:13:06.360 --> 00:13:14.740 that. Where the hell is vision? We know white 00:13:14.740 --> 00:13:18.080 visions out there somewhere. I mean, that's true. 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:21.860 So that is true. Where's vision? I can understand. 00:13:22.039 --> 00:13:25.259 Look, Punisher, Punisher walks into this fight 00:13:25.259 --> 00:13:29.179 and he gets his ass whooped. Right. Daredevil 00:13:29.179 --> 00:13:31.179 walks into this fight and he's having a tough 00:13:31.179 --> 00:13:35.759 time. Yeah. I think the the and somebody in in 00:13:35.759 --> 00:13:37.960 a in a thread I was reading was like, why no 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:41.539 Spider -Man? I think Spider -Man four is going 00:13:41.539 --> 00:13:44.480 to be kind of the the bridge movie between Doomsday 00:13:44.480 --> 00:13:46.740 and Secret Wars. I think that. They're going 00:13:46.740 --> 00:13:49.720 to deal with Spider -Man in Spider -Man 4, and 00:13:49.720 --> 00:13:52.399 then he'll be in Secret Wars. Because my theory 00:13:52.399 --> 00:13:57.600 is that most of these fools, most of them, are 00:13:57.600 --> 00:14:01.840 either dead, right, or in the case of our Fantastic 00:14:01.840 --> 00:14:06.080 Four, are taken off the board at the end of Doomsday. 00:14:06.159 --> 00:14:09.759 They're captured, they're fucking trapped in 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:16.100 Battleworld, etc. Right? And that the part of 00:14:16.100 --> 00:14:18.919 the first part of the plot of Secret Wars is 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:21.919 Spider -Man teaching because now he's kind of 00:14:21.919 --> 00:14:25.460 the veteran. Right. Think about it. He came into 00:14:25.460 --> 00:14:30.100 the MCU as the kid. Yeah. But now he's been through 00:14:30.100 --> 00:14:35.320 three Spider -Man movies, Civil War, Infinity 00:14:35.320 --> 00:14:41.779 War, Endgame. Right. At this point, he's kind 00:14:41.779 --> 00:14:44.940 of a veteran. Yeah, and so if you were gonna 00:14:44.940 --> 00:14:48.419 have somebody who was gonna train Miss Marvel 00:14:48.419 --> 00:14:52.340 Kate Bishop all these other people where he's 00:14:52.340 --> 00:14:54.519 a little bit older and he's kind of the veteran 00:14:54.519 --> 00:14:57.899 I think the first part of Secret Wars is gonna 00:14:57.899 --> 00:15:02.679 be him gathering them together and like Mentoring 00:15:02.679 --> 00:15:14.179 a new generation of superheroes Yeah Yeah, I 00:15:14.179 --> 00:15:17.120 mean like I agree with your logic there. That's 00:15:17.120 --> 00:15:22.700 I just that's my theory. I want it to be Like 00:15:22.700 --> 00:15:29.980 Old beer belly Peter Parker dad from across the 00:15:29.980 --> 00:15:38.120 spider I love that character The so that's my 00:15:38.120 --> 00:15:39.879 theory as to what they're doing And I think that 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:41.580 we're going to get our new stuff. The other one 00:15:41.580 --> 00:15:45.620 that strikes me as weird is Hulk. We have no 00:15:45.620 --> 00:15:50.039 Hulk. Where the fuck did the Hulk go? Oh, yeah. 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:52.720 Yeah, we'll talk about that in a sec. Where's 00:15:52.720 --> 00:16:07.019 our Hulk at? Right. Doom shows up and there's 00:16:07.019 --> 00:16:11.179 no Hulk. What was a Remind me. What was he doing 00:16:11.179 --> 00:16:14.399 and she hulk again? Oh, he he had just gotten 00:16:14.399 --> 00:16:20.259 back from sacar with his son Because they have 00:16:20.259 --> 00:16:22.820 the the barbecue scene at the end of she hulk 00:16:22.820 --> 00:16:32.379 Right Just for everybody's Is at the end of she 00:16:32.379 --> 00:16:35.799 hulk we have the barbecue scene where where Matt 00:16:36.450 --> 00:16:50.230 is hanging out with. With Jen's family. Right. 00:16:51.309 --> 00:16:56.649 And at the beginning, right. At the beginning 00:16:56.649 --> 00:17:02.070 of that scene, right. They're like, oh, no. You 00:17:02.070 --> 00:17:03.309 know, at the beginning of the season, he left 00:17:03.309 --> 00:17:04.789 to go to the car. Hang on, let me see if I can 00:17:04.789 --> 00:17:33.059 pull this up. So there you go. That was the last 00:17:33.059 --> 00:17:35.500 we saw of Bruce, but there's three hulks on Earth 00:17:35.500 --> 00:17:38.799 right now. There's - There's Bruce, his son, 00:17:39.220 --> 00:17:45.299 and Jen. So that's where I get a little messed 00:17:45.299 --> 00:17:50.200 up. Four. Oh no, you're right. Sorry, Chad is 00:17:50.200 --> 00:17:52.160 right. There are four hulks on earth because 00:17:52.160 --> 00:17:56.059 there's also a red hulk. That is true. There 00:17:56.059 --> 00:17:58.480 are now four hulks on earth and I don't see any 00:17:58.480 --> 00:18:03.519 of them on this list. To help fight Dr. Doom. 00:18:05.129 --> 00:18:13.210 Unless Dr. Doom. Because I. I don't consider 00:18:13.210 --> 00:18:18.309 Dr. Doom to be dumb at all. So unless Dr. Doom 00:18:18.309 --> 00:18:21.509 does something to immediately take out who he 00:18:21.509 --> 00:18:25.210 views as like the greatest threat to him, which 00:18:25.210 --> 00:18:29.490 I mean, for hulks, holy shit. Like, honestly, 00:18:30.789 --> 00:18:33.089 you're you know, the only way you're going to 00:18:33.089 --> 00:18:35.829 like. take on four Hulks at one time is like 00:18:35.829 --> 00:18:39.170 a Thanos snap. Like that's not you can't you 00:18:39.170 --> 00:18:43.490 can't fight for Hulks. I don't know. So I think 00:18:43.490 --> 00:18:45.710 he does something in the very beginning to like 00:18:45.710 --> 00:18:49.430 level the playing field, which. You know, so 00:18:49.430 --> 00:18:51.390 you're going to take out like your biggest competition, 00:18:51.490 --> 00:18:54.990 the Hulks Gambit, you know, because Professor 00:18:54.990 --> 00:18:59.009 X, Professor X Magneto, because Magneto is an 00:18:59.009 --> 00:19:03.180 Omega level mutant. Yeah. Right. So if we're 00:19:03.180 --> 00:19:05.839 talking about an incursion and the worlds are 00:19:05.839 --> 00:19:10.440 smashing together, right? So here's my theory. 00:19:11.259 --> 00:19:14.400 Dr. Doom is the one causing the incursion, right? 00:19:14.980 --> 00:19:18.039 He's like, I'm gonna pull these two worlds together. 00:19:18.349 --> 00:19:20.630 so i can fucking build my own world and he's 00:19:20.630 --> 00:19:22.410 gonna he's trying to create battle world he's 00:19:22.410 --> 00:19:24.329 trying to create his own world so he's pulling 00:19:24.329 --> 00:19:27.130 these worlds together maybe three of them the 00:19:27.130 --> 00:19:29.569 x -men world the fantastic four world because 00:19:29.569 --> 00:19:32.069 we know they don't start in the 616 in their 00:19:32.069 --> 00:19:36.130 movie and the mcu 616 world and then they all 00:19:36.130 --> 00:19:38.569 come together and then he starts taking people 00:19:38.569 --> 00:19:40.170 out like you said take out the biggest threats 00:19:40.170 --> 00:19:42.970 first right magneto is an omega level mutant 00:19:42.970 --> 00:19:51.200 goodbye right um Professor X Omega level mutant. 00:19:51.380 --> 00:19:55.099 Goodbye. Right. Got to kill all the X -Men. They're 00:19:55.099 --> 00:20:03.519 dangerous. Yeah. By the way, four hulks, one 00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:06.700 Dr. Doom, name of your sex tape right there. 00:20:11.019 --> 00:20:15.619 Oh, it's good. I want to see. I want to see. 00:20:17.099 --> 00:20:20.779 This is just me. OK, growing up, I grew up with 00:20:20.779 --> 00:20:24.140 the animated series, the X -Men. But I do do 00:20:24.140 --> 00:20:28.099 do do do do do do do do. My favorite character 00:20:28.099 --> 00:20:31.980 was Gambit. Mine, too. I have the original Gambit 00:20:31.980 --> 00:20:36.339 limited edition on this shelf. Right in there 00:20:36.339 --> 00:20:39.700 somewhere. OK, somewhere. The four episode one 00:20:39.700 --> 00:20:41.559 where he goes back and he's married to the head 00:20:41.559 --> 00:20:45.099 of the Assassin's Guild. Yes. Yes. I think I 00:20:45.099 --> 00:20:47.339 actually have that as well. I have that limited 00:20:47.339 --> 00:20:53.970 series. Yeah. I don't know. I want to see more. 00:20:54.250 --> 00:20:58.170 But here's the thing. It's a weird list. I think 00:20:58.170 --> 00:21:00.130 they want their own set of X -Men. I think they're 00:21:00.130 --> 00:21:02.930 bringing these guys in to kill them off and do 00:21:02.930 --> 00:21:04.789 some cool fights. I think we're going to get 00:21:04.789 --> 00:21:08.569 some awesome battle scenes. But I think Feige 00:21:08.569 --> 00:21:10.410 is going to want his own X -Men going into the 00:21:10.410 --> 00:21:16.700 mutant saga. Right. Yes, and also Patrick Stewart 00:21:16.700 --> 00:21:20.440 and Ian McKellen are a billion years old You're 00:21:20.440 --> 00:21:22.640 not gonna go into the mutant saga with Patrick 00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:24.279 Stewart and Ian McKellen in the positions of 00:21:24.279 --> 00:21:28.160 professor X and Magneto they're just too old 00:21:28.160 --> 00:21:29.680 kids. You're not gonna get him for another five 00:21:29.680 --> 00:21:34.200 years Five to seven years. They don't have that 00:21:34.200 --> 00:21:37.880 in them Quite frankly, I'm surprised they're 00:21:37.880 --> 00:21:43.210 back for this I love Gambit, but against him, 00:21:43.230 --> 00:21:45.269 did you watch the new X -Men one where he takes 00:21:45.269 --> 00:21:51.269 out that Sentinel chat? Yeah. Yeah, but God, 00:21:51.309 --> 00:21:54.089 that was so good when he takes out the Sentinel 00:21:54.089 --> 00:22:01.690 that stabs him. It's so good by himself, which 00:22:01.690 --> 00:22:04.190 this is my thing about the X -Men. It's not. 00:22:05.829 --> 00:22:09.869 Like, yeah, you have the Wolverine, but typically 00:22:09.869 --> 00:22:13.200 it's. It's all about them having to work together 00:22:13.200 --> 00:22:15.799 to take someone down. So like Gambit by himself 00:22:15.799 --> 00:22:19.099 is not much of a threat. Even like Wolverine, 00:22:19.119 --> 00:22:21.700 if they're fighting Magneto, Wolverine by himself 00:22:21.700 --> 00:22:25.000 is not a threat to Magneto. No, Magneto's whooped 00:22:25.000 --> 00:22:26.819 the shit out of Wolverine a couple of times. 00:22:27.359 --> 00:22:31.119 Yeah. And ripped his fucking ripped his adamantium 00:22:31.119 --> 00:22:37.700 out. But so, yeah, Gambit can't take on Dr. Azou. 00:22:37.849 --> 00:22:40.670 Dr. Doom by himself almost said Dr. Zoom, which 00:22:40.670 --> 00:22:44.529 is a completely different villain there. But 00:22:44.529 --> 00:22:47.730 but no, it's a team. It's a team effort. God, 00:22:47.750 --> 00:22:52.150 let me have my fantasy. OK. I want I want Gambit. 00:22:52.509 --> 00:22:56.710 I want Gambit and Rogue. I want them to have 00:22:56.710 --> 00:22:59.049 a spinoff with their own little notes here. But 00:22:59.049 --> 00:23:02.690 no, and no, and a pack with this rogue. Yeah, 00:23:03.089 --> 00:23:06.859 right. She's not in this no fancy Jansen is Jean 00:23:06.859 --> 00:23:09.140 Grey. We're getting like half the X -Men crew 00:23:09.140 --> 00:23:12.579 back, but not all of them Yeah, which is kind 00:23:12.579 --> 00:23:16.900 of weird. I I So I did see some stuff. I don't 00:23:16.900 --> 00:23:18.680 think this is the end of the announcements I 00:23:18.680 --> 00:23:21.079 do think I agree with a lot of commentators I 00:23:21.079 --> 00:23:22.460 think there's gonna be more people in this movie 00:23:22.460 --> 00:23:24.019 that they haven't announced yet These are the 00:23:24.019 --> 00:23:25.700 ones that they've got in contract and they're 00:23:25.700 --> 00:23:30.279 ready to go Again, I think that you establish 00:23:30.279 --> 00:23:32.400 doom as a threat by killing off all the X -Men 00:23:34.300 --> 00:23:39.420 100 percent. And again, I think Spider -Man becomes 00:23:39.420 --> 00:23:43.960 the leader. And this is the thing that the MCU 00:23:43.960 --> 00:23:47.059 has been missing since Downey and Iron Man and 00:23:47.059 --> 00:23:51.740 Iron Man and Cap. I think that the problem that 00:23:51.740 --> 00:23:54.059 the the primary problem the MCU has had since 00:23:54.059 --> 00:23:57.619 the loss of Cap and Iron Man at the end of Endgame 00:23:57.619 --> 00:23:59.859 was they have not had a harder soul of the like. 00:24:01.009 --> 00:24:03.470 Iron Man and Cap were the two guys kind of driving 00:24:03.470 --> 00:24:06.650 everything along, right? And it was their dynamic 00:24:06.650 --> 00:24:08.049 and their personalities and everything else. 00:24:08.250 --> 00:24:11.410 And they haven't had that since they left. And 00:24:11.410 --> 00:24:14.910 Tom Holland's Spider -Man wasn't set up to be 00:24:14.910 --> 00:24:21.890 that yet. But I think Secret Wars can set Spider 00:24:21.890 --> 00:24:25.789 -Man up to be that driving force going forward. 00:24:26.789 --> 00:24:29.650 For the MCU and then you introduce a mutant or 00:24:29.650 --> 00:24:31.109 two in secret wars because you're going into 00:24:31.109 --> 00:24:35.150 the mutant saga, right? We get some mutants that 00:24:35.150 --> 00:24:36.970 spider -man's help me train in secret wars and 00:24:36.970 --> 00:24:39.829 they become your primary focus moving forward 00:24:39.829 --> 00:24:45.289 Our new Wolverine whoever that's gonna be I'm 00:24:45.289 --> 00:24:51.670 still rooting for Zac Efron I Don't care y 'all 00:24:51.670 --> 00:24:54.109 can make fun of me all you want he is my dark 00:24:54.109 --> 00:25:00.099 horse casting to play Wolverine Oh, God. Oh, 00:25:00.259 --> 00:25:05.180 fuck. I fight. Oh, God. What is his name? Shit. 00:25:05.339 --> 00:25:08.160 Henry Cavill actually seeing him in the role. 00:25:08.380 --> 00:25:12.619 I was like, damn. He could he could do it. I 00:25:12.619 --> 00:25:14.799 think he could do it. He won't. He won't. He's 00:25:14.799 --> 00:25:19.160 too old. Yeah, but he's he's in his 50s. Zach 00:25:19.160 --> 00:25:27.759 Efron is only 37. Right. Henry is 50. Yeah. What? 00:25:29.859 --> 00:25:32.660 Sorry, he's 41. Sorry. OK, I was off by one. 00:25:32.819 --> 00:25:36.220 He's my age. He's still old to be starting that 00:25:36.220 --> 00:25:39.740 franchise. Plus, he's got Warhammer. Yeah, no, 00:25:39.759 --> 00:25:42.299 totally. Yeah. And he's got his stuff. But but 00:25:42.299 --> 00:25:45.259 look at this. I'm sorry. Like, did you see him 00:25:45.259 --> 00:25:49.339 in that wrestling movie? Zac Efron? Yes. Well, 00:25:49.480 --> 00:25:53.039 the iron claw. Mm hmm. Yes. So he can get built. 00:25:53.609 --> 00:25:57.230 Right. He's also closer to canonical Wolverine 00:25:57.230 --> 00:26:04.089 height Sure, he's five eight Okay, number one 00:26:04.089 --> 00:26:07.950 he's five eight number two he can get big like 00:26:07.950 --> 00:26:12.210 he can get burly right we've seen it right Number 00:26:12.210 --> 00:26:14.450 three by the way for everybody that's that's 00:26:14.450 --> 00:26:16.089 joking on this you guys don't remember cuz you're 00:26:16.089 --> 00:26:19.049 all too young People were fucking confused when 00:26:19.049 --> 00:26:22.609 they casted Hugh Jackman Hugh Jackman was a Broadway 00:26:22.609 --> 00:26:27.210 actor Before he became Wolverine everybody Yeah, 00:26:27.549 --> 00:26:31.769 everybody was like what? What? Here's the other 00:26:31.769 --> 00:26:37.890 thing And this is my favorite reason why? Okay 00:26:37.890 --> 00:26:45.029 It's fucking perfect Right if you guys haven't 00:26:45.029 --> 00:26:48.569 seen the greatest showman you need to watch that 00:26:48.569 --> 00:26:53.190 movie Okay, Zac Efron is a triple threat Much 00:26:53.190 --> 00:26:57.250 like Hugh Jackman, he can sing, he can dance, 00:26:57.329 --> 00:26:59.990 he's got the physicality. And again, he's closer 00:26:59.990 --> 00:27:02.049 to Wolverine's canonical height. We know he can 00:27:02.049 --> 00:27:04.309 get big and burly. We know he can do physical 00:27:04.309 --> 00:27:07.970 roles, right? Because again, he did that wrestling 00:27:07.970 --> 00:27:10.690 movie. He's done Baywatch. He did that one documentary 00:27:10.690 --> 00:27:11.990 series where he was wandering around the Earth. 00:27:12.589 --> 00:27:15.849 He is my dark horse to play in Wolverine. I want 00:27:15.849 --> 00:27:18.329 Zac Efron. Kevin Feige, if you're watching the 00:27:18.329 --> 00:27:26.059 show. Please cast Zac Efron as Wolverine. Some 00:27:26.059 --> 00:27:29.839 in the chat saying Elijah Wood. No. He's too 00:27:29.839 --> 00:27:42.700 nice. Alan Richson, he wants to be Batman. Oh, 00:27:43.039 --> 00:27:46.119 he's been begging. Did you not see that? We're 00:27:46.119 --> 00:27:49.470 getting off topic. But I will say, I could... 00:27:49.470 --> 00:27:52.589 God, I could see him as Batman. The guy is fucking 00:27:52.589 --> 00:27:55.829 huge. He said you wouldn't even have to pay me. 00:27:56.029 --> 00:27:59.930 There was a quote that he said. He said, I would 00:27:59.930 --> 00:28:08.769 play Batman for free. I... Oh, God. Here's the 00:28:08.769 --> 00:28:10.910 quote from Alan Rickson. I get asked every day 00:28:10.910 --> 00:28:13.670 if I'm playing Batman. Yeah. Would I play Batman? 00:28:13.849 --> 00:28:16.809 Yes. Would I pay handsomely to pay Batman? You 00:28:16.809 --> 00:28:19.210 wouldn't have to pay me to be Batman. I would 00:28:19.210 --> 00:28:22.269 don the suit in Batman voice. Gotham is mine. 00:28:22.769 --> 00:28:26.349 Right. Could I see him as Bruce Wayne? Yeah, 00:28:26.490 --> 00:28:33.750 I can. He's pretty and he's pretty. Yeah, I could 00:28:33.750 --> 00:28:36.230 totally see Alan Rich in this Batman. I don't 00:28:36.230 --> 00:28:38.150 think it's going to happen. Let's get back to 00:28:38.150 --> 00:28:44.089 Marvel. I know. Again, so that's my theory about 00:28:44.089 --> 00:28:47.069 this Doomsday cast. It's a really weird list. 00:28:51.569 --> 00:28:56.109 Again, there's only a couple there that I was 00:28:56.109 --> 00:28:58.950 like, why is it? I understand why Dr. Strange 00:28:58.950 --> 00:29:00.690 isn't there. I think he'll get pulled in for 00:29:00.690 --> 00:29:02.650 secret ores. Benedict Cumberbatch has already 00:29:02.650 --> 00:29:04.769 confirmed he's not in Doomsday. He's going to 00:29:04.769 --> 00:29:06.950 be in Secret Wars. Remember at the end of Multiverse 00:29:06.950 --> 00:29:08.789 of Madness, he went wandering off the Multiverse 00:29:08.789 --> 00:29:11.730 with Charlize Theron. I think that the incursions 00:29:11.730 --> 00:29:13.950 happened and he comes back at the end of Doomsday, 00:29:14.089 --> 00:29:16.730 beginning of Secret Wars, to assist Spider -Man 00:29:16.730 --> 00:29:25.069 in winning the war against Doom. Right? Oh, you 00:29:25.069 --> 00:29:27.039 know what would be really fun? To riff off this 00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:29.619 idea, Spider -Man's training the new thing. We 00:29:29.619 --> 00:29:32.200 all know Doom hates the Fantastic Four, right? 00:29:32.819 --> 00:29:34.859 Yeah. So he's captured the Fantastic Four and 00:29:34.859 --> 00:29:37.000 he's taking them off the board, right? And they're 00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:39.539 at different locations around Battleworld, right? 00:29:39.920 --> 00:29:41.299 So what Spider -Man has got to do is he's got 00:29:41.299 --> 00:29:44.339 to lead his team of new brand new kiddie heroes 00:29:44.339 --> 00:29:48.740 like Miss Marvel, Kate Bishop, et cetera. Somebody 00:29:48.740 --> 00:29:54.099 brought it up in the chat. Ant -Man's daughter, 00:29:54.440 --> 00:29:56.980 right? We take all of them and they've got to 00:29:56.980 --> 00:29:59.460 go rescue all the members of the fantastic four 00:29:59.460 --> 00:30:04.359 So that they can actually fight doom This sounds 00:30:04.359 --> 00:30:07.480 this sounds like the plot of a video game. It 00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:09.539 sounds like the plot of a comic book probably 00:30:09.539 --> 00:30:14.400 seven comic books that we've read Right, I I 00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:17.640 could see that uh Last casting day to be dropped 00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:20.160 a summer blockbuster season approaches in secret 00:30:20.160 --> 00:30:27.039 in doomsday I don't think they're gonna drop 00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:30.680 anymore. They're in production now. That was 00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:32.359 the other reason they did the announcement yesterday. 00:30:32.819 --> 00:30:36.240 It's production, not pre -production. The script 00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:38.759 is locked for Doomsday and Secret Wars. It's 00:30:38.759 --> 00:30:42.420 done, right? Their scripts are locked and they're 00:30:42.420 --> 00:30:45.779 greenlit. Production has officially started. 00:30:47.259 --> 00:30:49.740 They're filming. That's the other reason I think 00:30:49.740 --> 00:30:51.220 spider -man's out there is I don't think he's 00:30:51.220 --> 00:30:52.900 I think he's because he's doing the Chris Nolan 00:30:52.900 --> 00:30:55.099 one right now He's filming the Odyssey right 00:30:55.099 --> 00:30:57.440 this second and he goes to the spider -man for 00:30:57.440 --> 00:31:05.799 later this summer. Ah Geez I Don't think we're 00:31:05.799 --> 00:31:11.099 gonna get any more casting names to you No, I 00:31:11.099 --> 00:31:13.619 think this is it I'm gonna be really curious 00:31:13.619 --> 00:31:16.259 to see the post credit scenes in Thunderbolts 00:31:16.259 --> 00:31:20.809 and Fantastic Four now 100 percent. Yes. Because 00:31:20.809 --> 00:31:23.849 that's going to set everything up, set everything 00:31:23.849 --> 00:31:27.250 up unless they do something somebody else brought 00:31:27.250 --> 00:31:31.250 up Star Lord. Where the fuck it's so again, key 00:31:31.250 --> 00:31:32.750 ones that we're missing and I'm curious how they're 00:31:32.750 --> 00:31:33.970 going to take them out, how dooms going to take 00:31:33.970 --> 00:31:37.589 them off the board. Star Lord is on Earth. Yes. 00:31:37.690 --> 00:31:40.349 He's chilling with Grandpa. Yeah, he's eating 00:31:40.349 --> 00:31:42.569 a bowl of cereal. Last time we saw him. Right. 00:31:42.690 --> 00:31:49.799 Yes. But he's still a half celestial. Right. 00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:56.579 Four Hulks. Star Lord. Right. Again, I'm not 00:31:56.579 --> 00:31:59.059 even thinking about the street level guys, Daredevil, 00:31:59.099 --> 00:32:02.140 Pondisher, any of them, because this is above 00:32:02.140 --> 00:32:08.480 their level. Right. How do I think they're going 00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:10.660 to make Downey work his doom without us auto 00:32:10.660 --> 00:32:12.700 seeing Tony Stark? I think that initially you're 00:32:12.700 --> 00:32:15.839 not going to see his face. Yes, 100 percent. 00:32:15.859 --> 00:32:19.180 You're not going to see his face initially. I 00:32:19.180 --> 00:32:22.559 think that's gonna be the big twist, right? Again, 00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:24.299 I think you're gonna see the X -Men at the beginning 00:32:24.299 --> 00:32:26.819 of the film. I think he's gonna cause the incursion. 00:32:26.920 --> 00:32:30.500 I think he's gonna merc all the X -Men, right? 00:32:31.500 --> 00:32:33.859 And I think it's gonna be, again, going on this 00:32:33.859 --> 00:32:37.019 list, if you want the biggest bang for your buck, 00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:42.099 it's Thor. Thor is fighting Doom, right? And 00:32:42.099 --> 00:32:44.259 again, if we use, like, Doom at his most powerful, 00:32:44.500 --> 00:32:46.839 he uses a combination of technology and magic. 00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:52.000 He uses both, right? So he's doing like spinny 00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:54.920 shit like Stephen Strange in an Iron Man suit 00:32:54.920 --> 00:32:59.960 basically, right? And he's fighting Thor and 00:32:59.960 --> 00:33:08.519 Thor knocks his mask off With Stormbreaker And 00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:12.420 they're looking at Thor is Tony Stark's face 00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:23.480 That would be better if they hadn't already told 00:33:23.480 --> 00:33:25.299 us the only reason I think they told us is I 00:33:25.299 --> 00:33:27.079 don't think they thought they could keep it secret 00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:30.940 I think there was there was I think they thought 00:33:30.940 --> 00:33:36.000 there was no way on the planet. It wouldn't leak 00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:38.579 Look at the Andrew and Toby shit from spider 00:33:38.579 --> 00:33:41.339 -man that shit leaked and Marvel did everything 00:33:41.339 --> 00:33:43.599 under the Sun to include having Andrew Garfield 00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:46.240 deny left right and sideways that he was in the 00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:50.180 new spider -man He fucking that guy lied for 00:33:50.180 --> 00:33:53.579 like six months Go look at the Andrew Garfield. 00:33:53.579 --> 00:33:55.180 He was doing press for other movies. Are you 00:33:55.180 --> 00:33:56.880 in the new spider -man? He's like, no, I wish 00:33:56.880 --> 00:33:59.339 I was that would be cool that it added up He 00:33:59.339 --> 00:34:02.519 lied so convincingly for months, but everybody 00:34:02.519 --> 00:34:06.279 knew But I think I think if I remember correctly 00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:09.780 he got in trouble with Sony Way back in the day 00:34:09.780 --> 00:34:12.139 for accidentally like leaking shit or something 00:34:12.139 --> 00:34:15.599 too. Yeah, I could see spider -man I'm asking 00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:18.019 do too. Yes, I could too. But again, I don't 00:34:18.019 --> 00:34:20.579 think spider -man is in this movie I think they're 00:34:20.579 --> 00:34:23.000 gonna deal with how he interacts with Doomsday 00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:26.880 in his movie. When does Spider -Man 4 come out? 00:34:26.920 --> 00:34:35.619 Hang on. It's next year. Yeah, next July. So, 00:34:36.199 --> 00:34:38.099 Secret Wars will come out, or sorry, Doomsday 00:34:38.099 --> 00:34:40.539 will come out, Spider -Man will come out between 00:34:40.539 --> 00:34:43.940 it and Doomsday. And if you remember, Ant -Man 00:34:43.940 --> 00:34:48.099 did the same thing, right? We had Infinity War. 00:34:48.250 --> 00:34:51.090 Ant -Man came out in the middle, took place right 00:34:51.090 --> 00:34:53.150 before Infinity War, and then right during that 00:34:53.150 --> 00:34:54.829 post -credits scene everybody got dusted and 00:34:54.829 --> 00:34:57.869 Ant -Man was stuck in the quantum realm, which 00:34:57.869 --> 00:35:00.849 sets up everything that happens in Endgame. I 00:35:00.849 --> 00:35:04.449 think that the Spider -Man 4 movie is going to 00:35:04.449 --> 00:35:10.130 set up what happens in... Doomsday. Or in Secret 00:35:10.130 --> 00:35:16.760 Wars. That'd be my guess. I don't know. But all 00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:22.440 I know is fucking I'm going to use my AMCA list. 00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:25.280 And so can you if you use the link down below 00:35:25.280 --> 00:35:27.960 to purchase your AMCA list. AMC, if you'd like 00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:30.059 to if you'd like to sponsor us, we would take 00:35:30.059 --> 00:35:32.159 your money. We are both big evangelists for a 00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:36.199 list. Yes. Anyway, this is a 35 minute segment. 00:35:36.380 --> 00:35:38.360 I'm going to have to edit the snot out of this. 00:35:41.809 --> 00:35:43.630 Let us know what you think down in the comments 00:35:43.630 --> 00:35:45.929 below. Are we done seeing casting news? Was there 00:35:45.929 --> 00:35:48.650 anything that surprised you? Was this the stupidest 00:35:48.650 --> 00:35:52.809 way to announce the cast ever? Five and a half 00:35:52.809 --> 00:35:55.150 hour live stream showing me a new chair every 00:35:55.150 --> 00:35:58.389 12 minutes. Feige, what were you thinking? All 00:35:58.389 --> 00:36:00.849 right. Let us know down in the comments below.