in what can only be considered an absolutely
bonehead way of announcing the core avengers
doomsday cast unveiling a new director's chair
every 12 minutes with the name of the cast members
uh what should have been like a five minute announcement
uh turned into a boring five and a half hour
event god they literally it was it was like every
12 minutes we're gonna pan to a new chair that's
empty with somebody's name in it. Like, I don't
know what you were thinking, Feige, but let's
move on from that. Regardless, we now have what
appears to be the full primary cast for the next
Avengers film, and there's some surprises in
there, both in who's there and who's been left
out. So we're going to talk about the cast announcement
and what it makes us think about Avengers Doomsday.
Jay, we were talking about this just before the
show. What name shocked you? The most Channing
Tatum. Channing Tatum, that was the one. That
was the one. That was the one. I'll be honest,
because we had seen Channing recently as Gambit.
The one that got me was Alan Cummings. Because
we have not seen Alan Cummings as Nightcrawler
since X2. Oh. Right and what year was that what
year did x2 release? Oh my god? It's a segment
quiz with Alex now 2003 2003 is when x2 came
out See yeah, we're gonna go through the whole
list here in just a second, right again some
of them makes sense to me. I'm like, yeah, you
need some core OG Avengers. Some of the new people
that the MCU has, you know, brought in, like
Shang -Chi, right? We love Shang -Chi. Simu Liu
is a treasure, right? The Fantastic Four. We're
expecting them, right? That comes out this summer,
right? Here's where we get to it. We had a bunch
of old school X -Men. Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellen,
Alan Cumming, James Marsden and Rebecca Romaine.
Right. And Jay's like racking his comic book
brain right now, going, what the hell are they
going to do? What are they going to do? Octokitty,
what are they going to do? Seriously? Well, let's
let's do this before we get a thing. That many
X -Men characters were you expecting that many
old school X -Men characters Kelsey Grammer?
No, I'm not at all so It kind of honestly kind
of worries me that They're going to have too
much going on for one movie, but you know, we'll
see Jay is for those that listen to this audio
only possibly you're listening to this in the
background on your YouTube app Jay is physically
grimacing right now and has been grimacing since
the beginning of this. What is happening? OK.
This we're going to theory and yes, we're going
to read through them all, but this is where we're
going to get into theory crafting a little bit.
This is a new Avengers level threat, right? Like
Thanos. We have to establish immediately that
doom is both bad. And because we haven't we haven't
introduced doom yet. Nobody's seen Dr. Doom Right
in the MCU, right? Cuz you gotta remember mainstream
audiences, right? And to we have to establish
the fact that he's fucking powerful Right. We
have to make him powerful So, how do we do that?
How do we and there's been some speculation some
of the channels I watch about how do we how do
we very quickly establish? Doom is fucking evil
And he's powerful. So doge. So here's how we're
going to do it. We're going to kill a bunch of
them. Yeah. So this is this is my theory. Patrick
Stewart, Ian McKellen, Alan Cummings, Rebecca
Romaine, James Marsden, Channing Tatum. They're
fucking dead. Right, we know the next phase after
Secret Wars is the mutant saga, right? We're
ending the multiverse saga. We're moving into
the mutant saga. Feige is gonna want his own
X -Men. Right? What better way to establish Doom
as a bad guy and as a powerful bad guy than having
him merc all of these people? Like halfway through
the movie. No, yeah, it it makes sense and then
it solves my issue of like having too much shit
going on So I did this little thing right before
the show right and this is the full list right
Patrick Stewart professor X fucking dead Right
dudes gonna kill him Ian McKellen Magneto dead
Alan coming as nightcrawler dead Rebecca. We've
made his mystique dead James Mars's Cyclops dead
Jan and Tatum as Gambit, dead. Kelsey Grammer
as Beast, dead. Right? I think that that first
seven that's in that cast list, I think they're
fucking dead. By the end of the movie, they're
done. Because the names that I don't see on this
list lead me to believe I think I know what's
going to happen in Secret Wars. Right? And let's
see if Jay agrees with me by the end of this.
So we bring Doom in. He kills all these people
during the cause of the incursion. Right. We've
talked about incursions in the MCU. We talked
about it in Doctor Strange and the Multiverse
of Madness. Right. And then at the end of the
Marvels, Monica Rambeau ends up over in the X
-Men universe. All right. So I think Chris Hemsworth
is in there. He's part of the cast. I think he
lives. I don't think they're going to kill off
Thor. Vanessa Kirby is Sue Storm. She's not dying.
Right. Anthony Mackie is Captain America. I'm
pretty sure he's going to survive to doomsday
or to secret wars. Sebastian Stan. I don't see
him killing Bucky. Tell me, Jay, jump in here
any time you disagree. I don't know. I could
see Bucky dying. OK. Leticia Wright as our new
Black Panther. This is the closest to a 50 -50
that I've got. You'll notice on my list, I put
them as 51%, right? That's because I think she
lives, but I'm not sure. So I'm edging over to
lives, but I can be convinced the other way.
Paul Rudd is Ant -Man. I think he's dead. I think
they're going to kill off Ant -Man. After how
bad Ant -Man 3 was, Paul Rudd's getting up there
in age, even though he looks like he's still
29. I think they kill Ant -Man, and I think that
that has emotional weight for the audience. Yeah,
I agree. Wyatt Russell is dime store Captain
America slash U .S. agent. I think he lives.
He does have the super soldier serum now. He
is a super soldier. Oh, yeah. Yeah. OK. Tenac
Huerta Mejia. That's our new Namor. I think he
lives. Right. I don't think they're going to
kill off Namor yet. I don't think they're done.
Ebenmas Baccarac. That's our new thing. He's
he's not going to die. Simu Liu, Shang -Chi.
He's not going to die. Florence Pugh as Yelena.
This one I wrote is a tough call. I don't know.
I just don't know. Where are we at? Lewis Pullman.
That's our new sentry that we're about to see
in Thunderbolts. I think he lives. Right. Danny
Ramirez, which is our new Falcon that we saw
in the new Captain America. I think he lives.
Joseph Quinn, the new Human Torch. He's not going
to die. David Harbour's Red Guardian. This is
another one that I'm saying is a tough call.
I love David Harbour's Red Guardian. I think
the character is great. Loved him in Black Widow
Every time I watch the Thunderbolts trailer,
I love them. It's either they're either I do
really like him and I think the audience really
likes him it's either gonna be one of those things
where they're not going to kill him off because
they can't afford to or or They're going to kill
him off to get that like emotional like Tuck
on your heartstrings. Yeah Winston Duke as Mbacu.
I think he lives and if they kill off Mbacu,
I'm gonna be fucking pissed. Okay. Fucking. You
better not kill off Mbacu. Hannah John came in
as Ghost. She's in the new Thunderbolts movie.
I wrote Who Cares? Tom Hiddleston is Loki. He's
holding the universe together. I think he's the
McGuffin of the movie. Yeah, I don't think I
don't think you can just in general. I don't
think they can afford to kill him off. He's the
one holding the multiverse. Now, what they may
do is kill him off at the very end. And that's
the person that doom kills to start disentangling
the universe. To build that world, right? Pedro
Pascal, he's our new Mr. Fantastic. He'll be
fine. And Robert Downey Jr. as Dr. Doom. He's
obviously going to make it to secret wars, right?
There would be no point killing off your Dr.
Doom before you get to secret wars. Looking at
this list. Is there any obvious like omissions
from recent MCU history that you're like, why
the fuck is this person not in there? Hmm. It's
a good question. I guess like the only one that
like I'm shocked that's not in it that like has
made a really big impact in Marvel recently.
It's Jeff the shark. No, I'm. I'm thinking. I
guess like stuff. I don't know. I can. Wesley
Snipes is really old now, but I would love to
get a reboot of Blade. Well, they had they had
casted Mahershala Ali as the new blade in the
MCU, and that movie has been stuck in development
hell for five years. Why? Why? Script is apparently
been the problem. The script. This is the this
is the shit that pisses me off. They can't get
a script locked. It's a fucking comic book movie,
bro. How many blade comic they're still selling
blade comics. I shit storylines look Writing
a screenplay is hard. I'll give them that Summoning
the chap brought up the Eternals That's falling
into the list of I think Marvel's just gonna
try and hope we forget about that Kind of like
secret Secret evasion like Barlow just doesn't
want us to remember that secret evasion happened.
We're just gonna Get that app it's fine So so
the the omissions on this list This is what it
makes me believe because the ones that strike
me as odd right Given what they've done in the
MCU in recent years the number one on the list
that I went, huh? Is Miss Marvel. Right. OK,
because we've established she is very powerful.
Right. Critical. And they've got that whole next
Gen Avengers thing kind of going like the post
credit with her and Kate Bishop and things like
that. Where the hell is vision? We know white
visions out there somewhere. I mean, that's true.
So that is true. Where's vision? I can understand.
Look, Punisher, Punisher walks into this fight
and he gets his ass whooped. Right. Daredevil
walks into this fight and he's having a tough
time. Yeah. I think the the and somebody in in
a in a thread I was reading was like, why no
Spider -Man? I think Spider -Man four is going
to be kind of the the bridge movie between Doomsday
and Secret Wars. I think that. They're going
to deal with Spider -Man in Spider -Man 4, and
then he'll be in Secret Wars. Because my theory
is that most of these fools, most of them, are
either dead, right, or in the case of our Fantastic
Four, are taken off the board at the end of Doomsday.
They're captured, they're fucking trapped in
Battleworld, etc. Right? And that the part of
the first part of the plot of Secret Wars is
Spider -Man teaching because now he's kind of
the veteran. Right. Think about it. He came into
the MCU as the kid. Yeah. But now he's been through
three Spider -Man movies, Civil War, Infinity
War, Endgame. Right. At this point, he's kind
of a veteran. Yeah, and so if you were gonna
have somebody who was gonna train Miss Marvel
Kate Bishop all these other people where he's
a little bit older and he's kind of the veteran
I think the first part of Secret Wars is gonna
be him gathering them together and like Mentoring
a new generation of superheroes Yeah Yeah, I
mean like I agree with your logic there. That's
I just that's my theory. I want it to be Like
Old beer belly Peter Parker dad from across the
spider I love that character The so that's my
theory as to what they're doing And I think that
we're going to get our new stuff. The other one
that strikes me as weird is Hulk. We have no
Hulk. Where the fuck did the Hulk go? Oh, yeah.
Yeah, we'll talk about that in a sec. Where's
our Hulk at? Right. Doom shows up and there's
no Hulk. What was a Remind me. What was he doing
and she hulk again? Oh, he he had just gotten
back from sacar with his son Because they have
the the barbecue scene at the end of she hulk
Right Just for everybody's Is at the end of she
hulk we have the barbecue scene where where Matt
is hanging out with. With Jen's family. Right.
And at the beginning, right. At the beginning
of that scene, right. They're like, oh, no. You
know, at the beginning of the season, he left
to go to the car. Hang on, let me see if I can
pull this up. So there you go. That was the last
we saw of Bruce, but there's three hulks on Earth
right now. There's - There's Bruce, his son,
and Jen. So that's where I get a little messed
up. Four. Oh no, you're right. Sorry, Chad is
right. There are four hulks on earth because
there's also a red hulk. That is true. There
are now four hulks on earth and I don't see any
of them on this list. To help fight Dr. Doom.
Unless Dr. Doom. Because I. I don't consider
Dr. Doom to be dumb at all. So unless Dr. Doom
does something to immediately take out who he
views as like the greatest threat to him, which
I mean, for hulks, holy shit. Like, honestly,
you're you know, the only way you're going to
like. take on four Hulks at one time is like
a Thanos snap. Like that's not you can't you
can't fight for Hulks. I don't know. So I think
he does something in the very beginning to like
level the playing field, which. You know, so
you're going to take out like your biggest competition,
the Hulks Gambit, you know, because Professor
X, Professor X Magneto, because Magneto is an
Omega level mutant. Yeah. Right. So if we're
talking about an incursion and the worlds are
smashing together, right? So here's my theory.
Dr. Doom is the one causing the incursion, right?
He's like, I'm gonna pull these two worlds together.
so i can fucking build my own world and he's
gonna he's trying to create battle world he's
trying to create his own world so he's pulling
these worlds together maybe three of them the
x -men world the fantastic four world because
we know they don't start in the 616 in their
movie and the mcu 616 world and then they all
come together and then he starts taking people
out like you said take out the biggest threats
first right magneto is an omega level mutant
goodbye right um Professor X Omega level mutant.
Goodbye. Right. Got to kill all the X -Men. They're
dangerous. Yeah. By the way, four hulks, one
Dr. Doom, name of your sex tape right there.
Oh, it's good. I want to see. I want to see.
This is just me. OK, growing up, I grew up with
the animated series, the X -Men. But I do do
do do do do do do do do. My favorite character
was Gambit. Mine, too. I have the original Gambit
limited edition on this shelf. Right in there
somewhere. OK, somewhere. The four episode one
where he goes back and he's married to the head
of the Assassin's Guild. Yes. Yes. I think I
actually have that as well. I have that limited
series. Yeah. I don't know. I want to see more.
But here's the thing. It's a weird list. I think
they want their own set of X -Men. I think they're
bringing these guys in to kill them off and do
some cool fights. I think we're going to get
some awesome battle scenes. But I think Feige
is going to want his own X -Men going into the
mutant saga. Right. Yes, and also Patrick Stewart
and Ian McKellen are a billion years old You're
not gonna go into the mutant saga with Patrick
Stewart and Ian McKellen in the positions of
professor X and Magneto they're just too old
kids. You're not gonna get him for another five
years Five to seven years. They don't have that
in them Quite frankly, I'm surprised they're
back for this I love Gambit, but against him,
did you watch the new X -Men one where he takes
out that Sentinel chat? Yeah. Yeah, but God,
that was so good when he takes out the Sentinel
that stabs him. It's so good by himself, which
this is my thing about the X -Men. It's not.
Like, yeah, you have the Wolverine, but typically
it's. It's all about them having to work together
to take someone down. So like Gambit by himself
is not much of a threat. Even like Wolverine,
if they're fighting Magneto, Wolverine by himself
is not a threat to Magneto. No, Magneto's whooped
the shit out of Wolverine a couple of times.
Yeah. And ripped his fucking ripped his adamantium
out. But so, yeah, Gambit can't take on Dr. Azou.
Dr. Doom by himself almost said Dr. Zoom, which
is a completely different villain there. But
but no, it's a team. It's a team effort. God,
let me have my fantasy. OK. I want I want Gambit.
I want Gambit and Rogue. I want them to have
a spinoff with their own little notes here. But
no, and no, and a pack with this rogue. Yeah,
right. She's not in this no fancy Jansen is Jean
Grey. We're getting like half the X -Men crew
back, but not all of them Yeah, which is kind
of weird. I I So I did see some stuff. I don't
think this is the end of the announcements I
do think I agree with a lot of commentators I
think there's gonna be more people in this movie
that they haven't announced yet These are the
ones that they've got in contract and they're
ready to go Again, I think that you establish
doom as a threat by killing off all the X -Men
100 percent. And again, I think Spider -Man becomes
the leader. And this is the thing that the MCU
has been missing since Downey and Iron Man and
Iron Man and Cap. I think that the problem that
the the primary problem the MCU has had since
the loss of Cap and Iron Man at the end of Endgame
was they have not had a harder soul of the like.
Iron Man and Cap were the two guys kind of driving
everything along, right? And it was their dynamic
and their personalities and everything else.
And they haven't had that since they left. And
Tom Holland's Spider -Man wasn't set up to be
that yet. But I think Secret Wars can set Spider
-Man up to be that driving force going forward.
For the MCU and then you introduce a mutant or
two in secret wars because you're going into
the mutant saga, right? We get some mutants that
spider -man's help me train in secret wars and
they become your primary focus moving forward
Our new Wolverine whoever that's gonna be I'm
still rooting for Zac Efron I Don't care y 'all
can make fun of me all you want he is my dark
horse casting to play Wolverine Oh, God. Oh,
fuck. I fight. Oh, God. What is his name? Shit.
Henry Cavill actually seeing him in the role.
I was like, damn. He could he could do it. I
think he could do it. He won't. He won't. He's
too old. Yeah, but he's he's in his 50s. Zach
Efron is only 37. Right. Henry is 50. Yeah. What?
Sorry, he's 41. Sorry. OK, I was off by one.
He's my age. He's still old to be starting that
franchise. Plus, he's got Warhammer. Yeah, no,
totally. Yeah. And he's got his stuff. But but
look at this. I'm sorry. Like, did you see him
in that wrestling movie? Zac Efron? Yes. Well,
the iron claw. Mm hmm. Yes. So he can get built.
Right. He's also closer to canonical Wolverine
height Sure, he's five eight Okay, number one
he's five eight number two he can get big like
he can get burly right we've seen it right Number
three by the way for everybody that's that's
joking on this you guys don't remember cuz you're
all too young People were fucking confused when
they casted Hugh Jackman Hugh Jackman was a Broadway
actor Before he became Wolverine everybody Yeah,
everybody was like what? What? Here's the other
thing And this is my favorite reason why? Okay
It's fucking perfect Right if you guys haven't
seen the greatest showman you need to watch that
movie Okay, Zac Efron is a triple threat Much
like Hugh Jackman, he can sing, he can dance,
he's got the physicality. And again, he's closer
to Wolverine's canonical height. We know he can
get big and burly. We know he can do physical
roles, right? Because again, he did that wrestling
movie. He's done Baywatch. He did that one documentary
series where he was wandering around the Earth.
He is my dark horse to play in Wolverine. I want
Zac Efron. Kevin Feige, if you're watching the
show. Please cast Zac Efron as Wolverine. Some
in the chat saying Elijah Wood. No. He's too
nice. Alan Richson, he wants to be Batman. Oh,
he's been begging. Did you not see that? We're
getting off topic. But I will say, I could...
God, I could see him as Batman. The guy is fucking
huge. He said you wouldn't even have to pay me.
There was a quote that he said. He said, I would
play Batman for free. I... Oh, God. Here's the
quote from Alan Rickson. I get asked every day
if I'm playing Batman. Yeah. Would I play Batman?
Yes. Would I pay handsomely to pay Batman? You
wouldn't have to pay me to be Batman. I would
don the suit in Batman voice. Gotham is mine.
Right. Could I see him as Bruce Wayne? Yeah,
I can. He's pretty and he's pretty. Yeah, I could
totally see Alan Rich in this Batman. I don't
think it's going to happen. Let's get back to
Marvel. I know. Again, so that's my theory about
this Doomsday cast. It's a really weird list.
Again, there's only a couple there that I was
like, why is it? I understand why Dr. Strange
isn't there. I think he'll get pulled in for
secret ores. Benedict Cumberbatch has already
confirmed he's not in Doomsday. He's going to
be in Secret Wars. Remember at the end of Multiverse
of Madness, he went wandering off the Multiverse
with Charlize Theron. I think that the incursions
happened and he comes back at the end of Doomsday,
beginning of Secret Wars, to assist Spider -Man
in winning the war against Doom. Right? Oh, you
know what would be really fun? To riff off this
idea, Spider -Man's training the new thing. We
all know Doom hates the Fantastic Four, right?
Yeah. So he's captured the Fantastic Four and
he's taking them off the board, right? And they're
at different locations around Battleworld, right?
So what Spider -Man has got to do is he's got
to lead his team of new brand new kiddie heroes
like Miss Marvel, Kate Bishop, et cetera. Somebody
brought it up in the chat. Ant -Man's daughter,
right? We take all of them and they've got to
go rescue all the members of the fantastic four
So that they can actually fight doom This sounds
this sounds like the plot of a video game. It
sounds like the plot of a comic book probably
seven comic books that we've read Right, I I
could see that uh Last casting day to be dropped
a summer blockbuster season approaches in secret
in doomsday I don't think they're gonna drop
anymore. They're in production now. That was
the other reason they did the announcement yesterday.
It's production, not pre -production. The script
is locked for Doomsday and Secret Wars. It's
done, right? Their scripts are locked and they're
greenlit. Production has officially started.
They're filming. That's the other reason I think
spider -man's out there is I don't think he's
I think he's because he's doing the Chris Nolan
one right now He's filming the Odyssey right
this second and he goes to the spider -man for
later this summer. Ah Geez I Don't think we're
gonna get any more casting names to you No, I
think this is it I'm gonna be really curious
to see the post credit scenes in Thunderbolts
and Fantastic Four now 100 percent. Yes. Because
that's going to set everything up, set everything
up unless they do something somebody else brought
up Star Lord. Where the fuck it's so again, key
ones that we're missing and I'm curious how they're
going to take them out, how dooms going to take
them off the board. Star Lord is on Earth. Yes.
He's chilling with Grandpa. Yeah, he's eating
a bowl of cereal. Last time we saw him. Right.
Yes. But he's still a half celestial. Right.
Four Hulks. Star Lord. Right. Again, I'm not
even thinking about the street level guys, Daredevil,
Pondisher, any of them, because this is above
their level. Right. How do I think they're going
to make Downey work his doom without us auto
seeing Tony Stark? I think that initially you're
not going to see his face. Yes, 100 percent.
You're not going to see his face initially. I
think that's gonna be the big twist, right? Again,
I think you're gonna see the X -Men at the beginning
of the film. I think he's gonna cause the incursion.
I think he's gonna merc all the X -Men, right?
And I think it's gonna be, again, going on this
list, if you want the biggest bang for your buck,
it's Thor. Thor is fighting Doom, right? And
again, if we use, like, Doom at his most powerful,
he uses a combination of technology and magic.
He uses both, right? So he's doing like spinny
shit like Stephen Strange in an Iron Man suit
basically, right? And he's fighting Thor and
Thor knocks his mask off With Stormbreaker And
they're looking at Thor is Tony Stark's face
That would be better if they hadn't already told
us the only reason I think they told us is I
don't think they thought they could keep it secret
I think there was there was I think they thought
there was no way on the planet. It wouldn't leak
Look at the Andrew and Toby shit from spider
-man that shit leaked and Marvel did everything
under the Sun to include having Andrew Garfield
deny left right and sideways that he was in the
new spider -man He fucking that guy lied for
like six months Go look at the Andrew Garfield.
He was doing press for other movies. Are you
in the new spider -man? He's like, no, I wish
I was that would be cool that it added up He
lied so convincingly for months, but everybody
knew But I think I think if I remember correctly
he got in trouble with Sony Way back in the day
for accidentally like leaking shit or something
too. Yeah, I could see spider -man I'm asking
do too. Yes, I could too. But again, I don't
think spider -man is in this movie I think they're
gonna deal with how he interacts with Doomsday
in his movie. When does Spider -Man 4 come out?
Hang on. It's next year. Yeah, next July. So,
Secret Wars will come out, or sorry, Doomsday
will come out, Spider -Man will come out between
it and Doomsday. And if you remember, Ant -Man
did the same thing, right? We had Infinity War.
Ant -Man came out in the middle, took place right
before Infinity War, and then right during that
post -credits scene everybody got dusted and
Ant -Man was stuck in the quantum realm, which
sets up everything that happens in Endgame. I
think that the Spider -Man 4 movie is going to
set up what happens in... Doomsday. Or in Secret
Wars. That'd be my guess. I don't know. But all
I know is fucking I'm going to use my AMCA list.
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way to announce the cast ever? Five and a half
hour live stream showing me a new chair every
12 minutes. Feige, what were you thinking? All
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