WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.439 Not to be discouraged by the financial disaster 00:00:03.439 --> 00:00:06.200 that was the Dungeons and Dragons movie, in spite 00:00:06.200 --> 00:00:07.839 of the fact that I thought it was a pretty good 00:00:07.839 --> 00:00:11.259 flick. Hasbro is teaming up with Legendary Entertainment 00:00:11.259 --> 00:00:15.419 to make a Magic the Gathering live action film. 00:00:16.000 --> 00:00:20.140 The question is, can this one not be as big of 00:00:20.140 --> 00:00:24.019 a disaster for them as Dungeons and Dragons was? 00:00:24.839 --> 00:00:27.699 To review, the Dungeons and Dragons movie had 00:00:27.699 --> 00:00:33.219 a $150 million budget. Worldwide, it made 205 00:00:33.219 --> 00:00:36.479 million and it was well short of what it needed 00:00:36.479 --> 00:00:38.719 to break even, which is probably about 450 million 00:00:38.719 --> 00:00:41.159 once you count for theater cut and marketing 00:00:41.159 --> 00:00:49.799 costs. It was. It was not good for them. It opened 00:00:49.799 --> 00:00:56.780 to only 37 million dollars. Yeah, it did not 00:00:56.780 --> 00:01:01.850 go well for them. Do you think that this can 00:01:01.850 --> 00:01:17.549 do any better? Shake your head. I want it to. 00:01:18.269 --> 00:01:25.329 I. But I'm like, I really thought the Dungeons 00:01:25.329 --> 00:01:28.170 and Dragons movie one, I liked it. I did, too. 00:01:28.590 --> 00:01:30.909 I did, too. I thought it was going to do a lot 00:01:30.909 --> 00:01:32.950 better than it did. I was actually really surprised 00:01:32.950 --> 00:01:38.069 that it did not do that. Well, I was not surprised 00:01:38.069 --> 00:01:49.209 that it did not do well. So. I. Long time viewers 00:01:49.209 --> 00:01:52.430 to the show will know I was extremely critical 00:01:52.430 --> 00:01:55.269 of their marketing leading up to the D &D movie 00:01:55.269 --> 00:01:57.569 because I couldn't figure out who they were marketing 00:01:57.569 --> 00:02:01.120 it to. Right. I was like, what is the tone of 00:02:01.120 --> 00:02:05.180 this film? What are you trying to get here? And 00:02:05.180 --> 00:02:07.000 so one thing that the comic book guys have figured 00:02:07.000 --> 00:02:09.599 out is you can't just get comic book fans in 00:02:09.599 --> 00:02:12.139 there to see your movies or they will fail. You 00:02:12.139 --> 00:02:15.319 have to market it to a wide audience. Dungeons 00:02:15.319 --> 00:02:17.219 and Dragons, you can't count on it just being 00:02:17.219 --> 00:02:20.280 D &D players and people who've played D &D watching 00:02:20.280 --> 00:02:25.319 your movie or it will fail. Right. And when they 00:02:25.319 --> 00:02:27.560 marketed it, I was like, I can't I don't know 00:02:27.560 --> 00:02:29.780 who they're marketing this to. And again, I went 00:02:29.780 --> 00:02:31.500 and saw it and I thought it was a fine film. 00:02:32.439 --> 00:02:38.620 Right. It was it was a fun romp. Do you think 00:02:38.620 --> 00:02:44.199 they've learned their lesson? Oh, I don't know. 00:02:46.139 --> 00:02:59.289 So. I really. I think. Is this live action or 00:02:59.289 --> 00:03:03.009 animated? It's live action. All right. They're 00:03:03.009 --> 00:03:05.590 doing an animated series on Netflix, but that 00:03:05.590 --> 00:03:08.189 has nothing to do with this. So they've licensed 00:03:08.189 --> 00:03:10.569 the Netflix and animated Magic the Gathering 00:03:10.569 --> 00:03:13.129 series that is, as far as I can tell from the 00:03:13.129 --> 00:03:15.330 reporting, is not related to the live action 00:03:15.330 --> 00:03:16.930 film that they are producing through legendary 00:03:16.930 --> 00:03:26.069 pictures. So I guess like. It really it's going 00:03:26.069 --> 00:03:30.229 to come down, I think, personally, me to the 00:03:30.229 --> 00:03:34.550 style, like how it's going to be shot and then 00:03:34.550 --> 00:03:40.009 also the storyline that they choose to go with. 00:03:41.770 --> 00:03:45.689 But to be fair, and this is also the kind of 00:03:45.689 --> 00:03:48.770 half respond to chat, magic does have a pretty 00:03:48.770 --> 00:03:52.449 deep lore. It has a running storyline and it 00:03:52.449 --> 00:03:56.360 does have like characters and things that happen 00:03:56.360 --> 00:04:00.000 and stuff. So people who are super duper into 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:03.879 that side of magic love the lore. Right. And 00:04:03.879 --> 00:04:09.379 there's a lot of lore to it. The same as Dungeons 00:04:09.379 --> 00:04:15.319 and Dragons. I. So if so, let me put the question 00:04:15.319 --> 00:04:18.500 another way. If you were going to make this, 00:04:19.019 --> 00:04:22.959 would you do it more D &D? where D &D was kind 00:04:22.959 --> 00:04:26.259 of like fun and jovial and, you know, it was 00:04:26.259 --> 00:04:29.860 a fun romp. Or would you do it more serious a 00:04:29.860 --> 00:04:32.459 la Lord of the Rings, where it's like this big, 00:04:32.920 --> 00:04:37.500 dark, epic adventure? I would make this dark 00:04:37.500 --> 00:04:41.000 as fuck. I would make this a horror movie and 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:46.019 I would cast Anna Taylor Joy. Oh, who could she 00:04:46.019 --> 00:04:52.829 be? I actually know who I want to say. Who do 00:04:52.829 --> 00:04:55.610 you think? Hang on. I'm looking it up right now. 00:04:57.990 --> 00:05:10.850 What's her name? Oh, I can't find it. Elspeth, 00:05:10.970 --> 00:05:21.389 maybe. Oh, shit. Or Lilliana Vess. you know, 00:05:21.589 --> 00:05:23.529 she's a character who lives in the blurred lines 00:05:23.529 --> 00:05:28.069 between good and evil. You know, do something 00:05:28.069 --> 00:05:32.910 like that. Maybe. Yeah, maybe. So you would do 00:05:32.910 --> 00:05:36.089 this like a horror film. I would. I fucking 100 00:05:36.089 --> 00:05:38.689 % would. That's me personally. I think that would 00:05:38.689 --> 00:05:45.370 be sick. And market it that way. Yep. So the 00:05:45.370 --> 00:05:48.050 two issues that I think Legendary and Hasbro 00:05:48.050 --> 00:05:52.920 have here. Primarily. And this is one of the 00:05:52.920 --> 00:05:54.920 areas where I love your idea of doing it like 00:05:54.920 --> 00:05:57.660 a horror movie, because one of the things we've 00:05:57.660 --> 00:05:59.699 seen, especially with modern horror, call it 00:05:59.699 --> 00:06:04.079 the last eight, nine years, like in the Blumhouse 00:06:04.079 --> 00:06:08.399 mold. Right. We will make a movie. Right. For 00:06:08.399 --> 00:06:10.500 the shit we pulled out of the couch cushions 00:06:10.500 --> 00:06:14.060 and for below the sandwiches. And it will make 00:06:14.060 --> 00:06:17.120 seventy five million dollars. But that's OK, 00:06:17.379 --> 00:06:21.370 because we only spent. five million making it, 00:06:21.370 --> 00:06:23.790 right? So who gives a crap, right? We made our 00:06:23.790 --> 00:06:27.970 money. We're happy, right? Then the low budget 00:06:27.970 --> 00:06:31.269 horror films have done really, really well financially 00:06:31.269 --> 00:06:34.889 the last 10 years. The problem that you've got 00:06:34.889 --> 00:06:38.050 with this is I don't think you can keep the budget 00:06:38.050 --> 00:06:43.750 low. Given what the whole. For those that don't 00:06:43.750 --> 00:06:46.759 remember the original. the original like idea 00:06:46.759 --> 00:06:49.980 of Magic the Gathering is that each player was 00:06:49.980 --> 00:06:53.819 like a mage and the cards you were casting spells 00:06:53.819 --> 00:06:57.240 summoning a creature or doing a magic spell or 00:06:57.240 --> 00:07:00.160 doing this and using mana to do that is that 00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:03.839 you were the mage right summoning your creatures 00:07:03.839 --> 00:07:10.879 to the field right so to hold to that that conceit 00:07:10.879 --> 00:07:16.790 the main characters have to be mages casting 00:07:16.790 --> 00:07:22.829 spells. And that means lots of money. You know 00:07:22.829 --> 00:07:26.509 what I mean? Like that, I don't know how you 00:07:26.509 --> 00:07:28.370 make a Magic the Gathering movie without spending 00:07:28.370 --> 00:07:37.329 a crap ton of money, which means. You got to 00:07:37.329 --> 00:07:45.250 make a crap ton of money. Yeah. I like your horror 00:07:45.250 --> 00:07:51.410 idea. Set it in a stride. Right. Or Dusk Mourn 00:07:51.410 --> 00:07:55.410 or one of these horror planes. Right. Make it 00:07:55.410 --> 00:08:01.449 dark. Right. Have Phyrexians. Right. Make it 00:08:01.449 --> 00:08:05.009 scary. I like the idea of making a scary Magic 00:08:05.009 --> 00:08:07.589 the Dragon movie and doing it for budget. Has 00:08:07.589 --> 00:08:09.810 there been? Oh, yeah. In the 80s, too, there 00:08:09.810 --> 00:08:12.610 was all kinds of fantasy horror films. Right. 00:08:13.569 --> 00:08:16.449 Yeah. And again, Blumhouse and a 24, they've 00:08:16.449 --> 00:08:19.129 got this model down, but that's not legendary. 00:08:23.490 --> 00:08:28.930 And again, I, I don't know what the. What the. 00:08:29.870 --> 00:08:31.829 I don't know what the revenue split is, I don't 00:08:31.829 --> 00:08:33.610 know what the financing split is, that's not 00:08:33.610 --> 00:08:46.570 part of the the article. How so? And if you're 00:08:46.570 --> 00:08:48.809 marketing it as a horror film, I think you you 00:08:48.809 --> 00:08:56.049 have an easier time marketing it. Right. I mean, 00:08:56.190 --> 00:09:02.110 to me, yeah. I don't know. To me, the D &D marketing 00:09:02.110 --> 00:09:04.370 was like, are you trying to be guardians? That's 00:09:04.370 --> 00:09:06.549 what it felt like to me. It felt like they were 00:09:06.549 --> 00:09:09.210 trying to make Guardians of the Galaxy, but in 00:09:09.210 --> 00:09:12.679 Dungeons and Dragons. Really the movie was kind 00:09:12.679 --> 00:09:16.240 of like that. It was like unlikely group of heroes 00:09:16.240 --> 00:09:21.799 band together to Solve a common problem. You 00:09:21.799 --> 00:09:28.059 know what I mean? Um, I Yeah, I don't know that's 00:09:28.059 --> 00:09:30.200 That to me is the hardest part. You know what? 00:09:30.200 --> 00:09:33.039 I think you might hit on it. I Think it's got 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:39.740 to be a horror Right make it scary as shit Right 00:09:40.009 --> 00:09:42.970 have them summoning fucking vampires and angel 00:09:42.970 --> 00:09:47.529 and like creepy Phyrexian mites, you know, and 00:09:47.529 --> 00:09:57.990 horrors. Yeah, I like that idea. But I don't 00:09:57.990 --> 00:10:00.450 I honestly don't think they're going to do it. 00:10:00.450 --> 00:10:04.929 No, I don't either. I think I think realistically, 00:10:04.929 --> 00:10:07.389 they're probably going to do something to market. 00:10:08.450 --> 00:10:12.200 Something like. for adults and also children. 00:10:12.399 --> 00:10:15.379 They're going to try to come out with a toy line, 00:10:15.639 --> 00:10:19.980 action figures and stuff like that. Probably 00:10:19.980 --> 00:10:24.419 like a comic book spinoff or something. I don't. 00:10:24.840 --> 00:10:27.679 And that's probably what they're going to do 00:10:27.679 --> 00:10:29.700 because they're going to try to like maximize 00:10:29.700 --> 00:10:32.860 every sort of like source of, I don't know, revenue 00:10:32.860 --> 00:10:35.860 that they could, but. Oh, there will be a movie 00:10:35.860 --> 00:10:39.120 tie in set. Yeah. They will sell a movie tie 00:10:39.120 --> 00:10:44.740 in set of cards. Oh, yeah. Over under 50 percent 00:10:44.740 --> 00:10:55.779 that the main character is Urza. Oh, fuck. Just 00:10:55.779 --> 00:11:00.179 an over under. I think like. I'm going to go 00:11:00.179 --> 00:11:09.590 over. I'm just going to go over. I think I like 00:11:09.590 --> 00:11:11.529 what the YouTube chat us do it said do it as 00:11:11.529 --> 00:11:13.590 kids around the table 90s teen aesthetic with 00:11:13.590 --> 00:11:16.870 school theater grade SFX But Hollywood quality 00:11:16.870 --> 00:11:19.269 costuming to feed the cosplayers and the sub 00:11:19.269 --> 00:11:22.230 is the humanoids are 90s era actors making cameos 00:11:22.230 --> 00:11:24.889 for that sweet millennial movie money and elder 00:11:24.889 --> 00:11:32.259 gen Z's That so actually The one prediction I 00:11:32.259 --> 00:11:34.620 made about the D &D movie that I was wrong about 00:11:34.620 --> 00:11:37.039 is I figured they were going to tie it into a 00:11:37.039 --> 00:11:39.899 group of people sitting around a table at some 00:11:39.899 --> 00:11:42.259 point. I was like either at the beginning of 00:11:42.259 --> 00:11:44.639 the end because Jumanji had done so well, the 00:11:44.639 --> 00:11:46.639 one with the rock and Jack Black and all that. 00:11:46.779 --> 00:11:50.019 Yeah, I was like, you tie it together that way 00:11:50.019 --> 00:11:51.980 and it's fine if they're going to Jumanji it. 00:11:52.100 --> 00:11:54.779 That was my prediction when they made the movie 00:11:54.779 --> 00:11:58.480 and I was wrong. I actually don't think it's 00:11:58.480 --> 00:12:03.679 a bad idea. To do a Jumanji esque kind of movie 00:12:03.679 --> 00:12:07.899 with magic Right, but I don't think they're gonna 00:12:07.899 --> 00:12:17.659 do that either Right I I really don't like I 00:12:17.659 --> 00:12:19.820 just don't buy that that's the the aesthetic 00:12:19.820 --> 00:12:26.759 they're gonna go for Maybe they'll just piss 00:12:26.759 --> 00:12:29.669 everyone off and have it like fucking the animated 00:12:29.669 --> 00:12:33.450 fucking TV show Yu -Gi -Oh! and it'll just literally 00:12:33.450 --> 00:12:35.490 be two people dueling against each other, so 00:12:35.490 --> 00:12:38.710 many creatures into like a playground in front 00:12:38.710 --> 00:12:40.370 of them. Dude, I'm going to laugh my balls off 00:12:40.370 --> 00:12:42.789 if they do it like Yu -Gi -Oh! Okay. I doubt 00:12:42.789 --> 00:12:47.730 it. I doubt it. I doubt it, too, but I would 00:12:47.730 --> 00:12:51.230 die, though. Here's the other thing I would point 00:12:51.230 --> 00:12:52.889 out. And again, this is where they need to get 00:12:52.889 --> 00:13:04.399 smart. Who made Godzilla Minus One? Because here's 00:13:04.399 --> 00:13:06.460 the point that I want to make about Godzilla 00:13:06.460 --> 00:13:15.220 minus one their budget Was 15 million bucks Really 00:13:15.220 --> 00:13:20.919 that's it 15 15 million bucks they made that 00:13:20.919 --> 00:13:24.720 movie for These studios have got to get these 00:13:24.720 --> 00:13:29.000 budgets under control, right? you can make good 00:13:29.000 --> 00:13:32.679 movies for like 20 million bucks you can do it 00:13:32.679 --> 00:13:38.740 right you can do it just do it right i don't 00:13:38.740 --> 00:13:41.259 again i don't think hasbro or legendary is going 00:13:41.259 --> 00:13:44.100 to do that my guess is this is going to be 120 00:13:44.100 --> 00:13:50.279 to 140 million dollar budget and i will not be 00:13:50.279 --> 00:13:54.159 surprised actually so let's do this we know Obviously, 00:13:54.159 --> 00:13:56.940 from our previous thing that the Dungeons and 00:13:56.940 --> 00:13:59.740 Dragons movie grossed two hundred and five million 00:13:59.740 --> 00:14:03.580 and substantial five for sixty. Does the magic 00:14:03.580 --> 00:14:07.620 just gut reaction? Jay, does the Magic the Gathering 00:14:07.620 --> 00:14:10.899 movie make more or less than Dungeons and Dragons? 00:14:11.980 --> 00:14:20.059 More. How much more? At least double. You think 00:14:20.059 --> 00:14:23.340 it can make four hundred? I mean, it is a bigger 00:14:23.340 --> 00:14:26.820 hobby than D &D is. It doesn't have the cultural 00:14:26.820 --> 00:14:30.580 cache that D &D does. Oh, wait, hang on. Because 00:14:30.580 --> 00:14:36.419 D &D has a multigenerational thing. Yeah. And 00:14:36.419 --> 00:14:41.799 I just realized something. So magic has a horrible 00:14:41.799 --> 00:14:47.059 stigma against against itself. Like people that 00:14:47.059 --> 00:14:50.240 don't play magic look at the community that plays 00:14:50.240 --> 00:14:53.480 magic. in a very negative way. That's because 00:14:53.480 --> 00:14:57.000 they think they're stinky mouth breathers. Yep. 00:14:57.240 --> 00:15:01.000 Yep. The magic is considered considerably more 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:04.399 nerdy and less socially accessible than Dungeons 00:15:04.399 --> 00:15:07.139 and Dragons is. Yeah. So again, over under two 00:15:07.139 --> 00:15:13.120 hundred and five. Oh, God. I just want that horror 00:15:13.120 --> 00:15:16.639 movie and I want it to be over. But actually, 00:15:16.740 --> 00:15:18.460 now that I'm thinking about it, it's probably 00:15:18.460 --> 00:15:25.159 going to be under. I would say under. This is 00:15:25.159 --> 00:15:27.419 I feel like this actually might be bad now that 00:15:27.419 --> 00:15:29.620 I'm like thinking about it now that I'm actually 00:15:29.620 --> 00:15:31.620 thinking about it. This might put your put your 00:15:31.620 --> 00:15:34.179 business hat on, Mr. I'm about to get an MBA. 00:15:34.980 --> 00:15:37.600 Yeah, there's there's a very there's a lot smaller 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:42.279 market that you can sell magic to unless you 00:15:42.279 --> 00:15:47.860 specifically sell it. And a like this like you 00:15:47.860 --> 00:15:50.820 you pretend like. It has nothing to do with the 00:15:50.820 --> 00:15:54.779 card game, right? Which is really what they did 00:15:54.779 --> 00:15:58.340 with D &D. They did. Yeah. And it still failed. 00:15:58.820 --> 00:16:01.659 And it still failed, which is still like really 00:16:01.659 --> 00:16:06.440 shocking to me. With my business cap on, even 00:16:06.440 --> 00:16:08.580 though I would love to see a horror film, I think 00:16:08.580 --> 00:16:11.159 that would do amazingly well if done correctly. 00:16:12.440 --> 00:16:15.019 I actually wouldn't touch this shit. I'm not 00:16:15.019 --> 00:16:17.480 going to lie. I would be like, oh, nope. Like 00:16:17.480 --> 00:16:20.159 after watching Dungeons and Dragons fail, I would 00:16:20.159 --> 00:16:24.259 probably not support this project or I don't 00:16:24.259 --> 00:16:27.320 know, go into this venture. I mean, Hasbro wants 00:16:27.320 --> 00:16:30.460 to make movie money off their IP, right? These 00:16:30.460 --> 00:16:34.620 guys see what Marvel does and they just salivate. 00:16:35.980 --> 00:16:38.539 And comic books used to be a really niche fandom. 00:16:39.259 --> 00:16:42.159 Yeah. Right. And honestly, I still think comic 00:16:42.269 --> 00:16:48.570 Books are a niche fandom. I don't know many people 00:16:48.570 --> 00:16:59.549 who actively read comic books. I have a giant 00:16:59.549 --> 00:17:03.669 stack of comic books that like I recently bought. 00:17:07.690 --> 00:17:10.369 I'm not a weekly visitor, but I probably am at 00:17:10.369 --> 00:17:13.170 my local comic book shop. two times a month. 00:17:14.190 --> 00:17:18.430 OK. Yeah. I for me. Right. I'm probably with 00:17:18.430 --> 00:17:22.650 you on that. Just because there is a one of our 00:17:22.650 --> 00:17:25.769 favorite places to eat has a comic book shop 00:17:25.769 --> 00:17:28.390 almost like right next door. Yeah. So we go there, 00:17:28.529 --> 00:17:30.029 put our name on the wait list and then go to 00:17:30.029 --> 00:17:32.450 the comic book shop. So there's a good one at 00:17:32.450 --> 00:17:39.849 the mall we go to all the time. OK. Nice. But. 00:17:40.430 --> 00:17:48.029 Yeah, I don't know I Think I think magic has 00:17:48.029 --> 00:17:52.069 like a nerd ear Image with it than Dungeons and 00:17:52.069 --> 00:17:55.569 Dragons does It's a bigger uphill battle for 00:17:55.569 --> 00:17:57.109 them. I again. I don't think they've got the 00:17:57.109 --> 00:18:01.130 generational run of 50 years of D &D behind them 00:18:01.130 --> 00:18:04.670 So yeah, I can I think it's an uphill battle 00:18:04.670 --> 00:18:09.210 look ultimately you and I both play magic right 00:18:09.339 --> 00:18:13.000 I have nothing against magic. I've got some issues 00:18:13.000 --> 00:18:14.779 with wizards, but I've got nothing. And I would 00:18:14.779 --> 00:18:17.140 love to see the film be successful. Again, that's 00:18:17.140 --> 00:18:20.599 why I think the best route to go is a low to 00:18:20.599 --> 00:18:23.819 mid -budget horror film. Keep this budget under 00:18:23.819 --> 00:18:27.500 50 million bucks. And if that means you've got 00:18:27.500 --> 00:18:29.339 to pay the actors back end and give them more 00:18:29.339 --> 00:18:31.519 points on the back end or get some no names in 00:18:31.519 --> 00:18:35.119 there, do it. OK, because here's the thing. If 00:18:35.119 --> 00:18:38.759 you blow 150 million dollars on this movie, I 00:18:38.759 --> 00:18:40.900 think that your likelihood of being able to recoup 00:18:40.900 --> 00:18:45.880 it is slim to none. Again, especially given how 00:18:45.880 --> 00:18:48.519 you marketed the D &D movie, which had a bigger 00:18:48.519 --> 00:18:55.319 cultural cache. So, yeah, good luck to good luck 00:18:55.319 --> 00:18:58.539 to Hasbro Wizards. For all you at home, let us 00:18:58.539 --> 00:19:00.400 know down in the comments below. What do you 00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:03.000 think? Would you go watch a D &D movie? Are you 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:05.559 excited for this idea? Or do you think this is 00:19:05.559 --> 00:19:08.000 going to be another financial disaster for Hasbro 00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:10.000 like the Dungeons & Dragons movie was?