WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.259 But what are we gonna talk about we're gonna 00:00:02.259 --> 00:00:05.679 talk about the business side of porn and shit 00:00:05.679 --> 00:00:09.199 Okay, cuz that really what we don't want to get 00:00:09.199 --> 00:00:11.619 demonetized Like I was looking some stuff up 00:00:11.619 --> 00:00:14.839 for research before this and I was like I cannot 00:00:14.839 --> 00:00:20.839 do side long like Screen in stuff on this topic 00:00:20.839 --> 00:00:25.820 because we would get freaking Community slammed 00:00:25.820 --> 00:00:30.760 so fast I'm going to come back to this. It reminds 00:00:30.760 --> 00:00:33.899 me of something that happened at the store. Jay 00:00:33.899 --> 00:00:36.560 provided us with a wonderful report last week 00:00:36.560 --> 00:00:39.640 on the business of the adult entertainment industry. 00:00:40.060 --> 00:00:41.520 And combining that with some research with some 00:00:41.520 --> 00:00:43.219 great links from our viewers who put that into 00:00:43.219 --> 00:00:45.920 our Discord, we're going to talk about the business 00:00:45.920 --> 00:00:48.640 of the adult industry, what we know now and where 00:00:48.640 --> 00:00:54.060 we think it's going. So top line of the report 00:00:54.060 --> 00:00:57.000 that you sent over. And then we're going to get 00:00:57.000 --> 00:01:02.759 into some like caveats here. They tack the adult 00:01:02.759 --> 00:01:05.939 and pornographic website industry, the websites, 00:01:06.640 --> 00:01:12.519 right? At 1 .3 billion in revenue a year. Right? 00:01:13.480 --> 00:01:15.260 And you and I, when we first looked at this last 00:01:15.260 --> 00:01:17.459 week, when we were looking at the report, both 00:01:17.459 --> 00:01:24.340 of you and I were like, that seems low. Would 00:01:24.340 --> 00:01:27.859 you not agree? No, yeah, I think it's at least 00:01:27.859 --> 00:01:30.560 like sixty -nine point sixty -nine percent or 00:01:30.560 --> 00:01:32.879 like sorry sixty -nine point sixty -nine billion 00:01:32.879 --> 00:01:39.439 dollars It has to be it has to be So the report 00:01:39.439 --> 00:01:42.500 does address that in again you've got to kind 00:01:42.500 --> 00:01:48.739 of get into the You've got to kind of get into 00:01:48.739 --> 00:01:51.359 like the little the details one of the things 00:01:51.359 --> 00:01:54.000 that they talk about in this report is one of 00:01:54.000 --> 00:01:56.659 the things that excluded from that 1 .3 billion 00:01:56.659 --> 00:02:05.799 is Cam sites right for example, right? They're 00:02:05.799 --> 00:02:08.240 like we have a hard time tracking them because 00:02:08.240 --> 00:02:10.759 there's so many of them They're private companies. 00:02:10.759 --> 00:02:14.139 They don't report revenue. We have no idea how 00:02:14.139 --> 00:02:17.979 much Chatterbait or cam soda or what's the other 00:02:17.979 --> 00:02:20.840 one? I see ads for all the crowd live jasmine 00:02:20.840 --> 00:02:23.400 All those nobody knows how much those things 00:02:23.400 --> 00:02:31.319 are making Right There's live jazz people jasmine 00:02:31.319 --> 00:02:33.020 live jasmine, I think he has the one I've seen 00:02:33.020 --> 00:02:37.360 the ads for Also, that number does not include 00:02:37.360 --> 00:02:42.280 only fans Boom, there is a hundred billion dollars 00:02:42.280 --> 00:02:45.439 gone. Actually, that's a good question. Do we 00:02:45.439 --> 00:02:53.740 have do we have revenue numbers for them? 2023. 00:02:59.979 --> 00:03:04.319 We do have money, we do have numbers. I can't 00:03:04.319 --> 00:03:08.419 get the full thing in there. Six point six billion. 00:03:09.099 --> 00:03:14.360 In twenty, twenty three. Is how much they that's 00:03:14.360 --> 00:03:17.159 how much revenue they dropped. And let's say 00:03:17.159 --> 00:03:20.240 again, to be fair to only fans, it's not just 00:03:20.240 --> 00:03:28.680 porn. OK. But it's like 90 percent porn. If you 00:03:28.680 --> 00:03:32.139 if you are like, if you're on only fans and you're 00:03:32.139 --> 00:03:34.960 like, go in there. They were trying for a minute 00:03:34.960 --> 00:03:37.520 to get like to advertise the non adult industry 00:03:37.520 --> 00:03:42.289 stuff. Yeah. And there was actually one moment 00:03:42.289 --> 00:03:46.330 where, because I do have a few like full -time 00:03:46.330 --> 00:03:49.770 adult content creator friends. Yeah. There was 00:03:49.770 --> 00:03:52.509 one point, like OnlyFans was like, we're thinking 00:03:52.509 --> 00:03:56.270 about like banning adult content from our platform, 00:03:56.509 --> 00:04:00.509 and they were like, Oh, it was a huge deal. Yeah. 00:04:01.669 --> 00:04:12.610 Yeah. Yeah. They, They make a buttload of money 00:04:12.610 --> 00:04:18.410 um An anal amount of money. Yes And again, this 00:04:18.410 --> 00:04:21.829 is just those two segments and again cam sites. 00:04:21.829 --> 00:04:28.089 We have no idea right See if I could find anything 00:04:28.089 --> 00:04:36.089 on here Two billion globally is the best estimate 00:04:42.750 --> 00:04:46.889 Right No one knows no one so again, but let's 00:04:46.889 --> 00:04:49.230 take it a face value 1 .9 for the mainstream 00:04:49.230 --> 00:04:52.610 porn industry online 2 billion for campsites 00:04:52.610 --> 00:04:55.009 that means that that initial one that's only 00:04:55.009 --> 00:04:57.970 that's not even half and it's 6 .6 billion in 00:04:57.970 --> 00:05:07.170 rev for only fans Right like That's you know, 00:05:07.329 --> 00:05:11.620 it is a big big industry It's huge. It's massive. 00:05:12.959 --> 00:05:14.920 And it's growing all the time and innovating. 00:05:15.379 --> 00:05:18.899 Again, porn built the internet and now there's 00:05:18.899 --> 00:05:20.839 lots of talk because CES just happened and they 00:05:20.839 --> 00:05:29.800 just had a big conference in Asia. VR porn. VR 00:05:29.800 --> 00:05:33.800 porn. What are your thoughts? I mean, VR has 00:05:33.800 --> 00:05:35.839 had a hard time taking hold in the mainstream. 00:05:35.959 --> 00:05:40.420 It's still kind of a niche product. Right most 00:05:40.420 --> 00:05:48.639 households don't own a VR set, right? Do you 00:05:48.639 --> 00:05:58.079 think porn changes that Jay? So I would say the 00:05:58.079 --> 00:06:05.139 the issue with the VR industry is the 1990 1992 00:06:08.370 --> 00:06:10.649 Kind of issue that came up. Do I do I have to 00:06:10.649 --> 00:06:13.850 say I think we all know it right? What kind of 00:06:13.850 --> 00:06:21.790 hindered the VR? Expansion in 1992 Lawnmower 00:06:21.790 --> 00:06:28.629 man mmm. Yeah that freaked people out, you know 00:06:28.629 --> 00:06:34.029 Lawnmower man No, I'm just kidding. Um God, I 00:06:34.029 --> 00:06:36.089 don't know why I can't ever forget that movie. 00:06:36.089 --> 00:06:39.060 I really do not know why but It's like seared 00:06:39.060 --> 00:06:45.220 into my mind. Um, so to answer your question, 00:06:46.500 --> 00:06:49.620 will like porn change the VR landscape? I think 00:06:49.620 --> 00:06:55.199 porn will always push things forward. Um, and 00:06:55.199 --> 00:06:56.879 now like we're seeing porn in her and I know 00:06:56.879 --> 00:06:58.759 you're going to cover it later, but like, you 00:06:58.759 --> 00:07:04.160 know, sex robots. Um, but yeah, you're going 00:07:04.160 --> 00:07:06.579 to, there's There's going to be a lot of people 00:07:06.579 --> 00:07:09.079 that are going to buy VR headsets just for VR 00:07:09.079 --> 00:07:11.699 porn. So right now, the estimate is 13 percent 00:07:11.699 --> 00:07:15.639 of U .S. households has a VR headset. Right. 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:19.079 And 14 percent of U .S. households are using 00:07:19.079 --> 00:07:31.649 VR headset for porn. But I mean. I guess my question 00:07:31.649 --> 00:07:33.670 from an innovation, and this actually goes to 00:07:33.670 --> 00:07:37.970 your engineering and business side, right? And 00:07:37.970 --> 00:07:43.589 here's the parallel I will draw, right? Because 00:07:43.589 --> 00:07:46.769 something can't just be better. It's got to be 00:07:46.769 --> 00:07:49.750 better to the amount more you've got to put into 00:07:49.750 --> 00:07:53.029 it, right? The best example I have for this is 00:07:53.029 --> 00:07:56.970 this. The Army uses the M250 caliber machine 00:07:56.970 --> 00:07:59.699 gun. We have been using the same machine gun 00:07:59.699 --> 00:08:02.600 since the end of World War One. That was when 00:08:02.600 --> 00:08:05.500 that machine gun came out. Yeah. And it's not 00:08:05.500 --> 00:08:08.300 that there's not better versions ish of that 00:08:08.300 --> 00:08:11.660 machine gun. It's that how much better they are 00:08:11.660 --> 00:08:14.339 compared to what it would cost us to change out 00:08:14.339 --> 00:08:18.259 and get something new. They're just not that 00:08:18.259 --> 00:08:21.959 much better. You know what I mean? And so to 00:08:21.959 --> 00:08:25.540 me, it's not just about innovation. It's. Does 00:08:25.540 --> 00:08:30.839 that innovation serve, you know, to be is the 00:08:30.839 --> 00:08:35.080 experience of VR porn better than just sitting 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:39.080 at your computer by enough to make it something 00:08:39.080 --> 00:08:49.940 that's going to get more sales in the US? So 00:08:49.940 --> 00:08:54.480 I think the. Does my question make sense? There's 00:08:54.480 --> 00:08:57.039 a long question, Alex. Oh my God. No kidding. 00:08:57.639 --> 00:09:01.159 I think I'm going to push back a little bit. 00:09:01.740 --> 00:09:05.799 I think true innovation is going to push things 00:09:05.799 --> 00:09:09.120 forward. And when I say true innovation, I don't 00:09:09.120 --> 00:09:14.080 mean a like what the iPhone's doing. Every single 00:09:14.080 --> 00:09:17.600 new iPhone is pretty much the same iPhone as 00:09:17.600 --> 00:09:20.000 a previous one. There's not really much difference 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:23.759 there. Um, but true innovation is like when Apple 00:09:23.759 --> 00:09:27.399 launched the iPhone, like the very first iPhone 00:09:27.399 --> 00:09:32.519 or the, um, actually the very first of Apple 00:09:32.519 --> 00:09:35.480 computer, like that was innovation. Um, the iPad, 00:09:36.039 --> 00:09:40.740 that was innovation. Um, that's what makes everything 00:09:40.740 --> 00:09:46.600 like kind of go crazy. Um, and yeah, I think, 00:09:46.600 --> 00:09:50.429 I think you have to have true innovation. That's 00:09:50.429 --> 00:09:54.509 what my like business side, like what we're learning 00:09:54.509 --> 00:09:59.870 is for a company to truly add value to the market, 00:09:59.870 --> 00:10:03.610 you have to have real innovation, which is hard 00:10:03.610 --> 00:10:07.750 to do. However. And to kind of answer your question, 00:10:07.789 --> 00:10:11.830 like is VR headsets enough innovation? Is it 00:10:11.830 --> 00:10:14.490 good enough? I would say in the adult entertainment 00:10:14.490 --> 00:10:17.490 space, right, in the adult entertainment space. 00:10:19.960 --> 00:10:23.379 Not yet, but what I'm starting to see that's 00:10:23.379 --> 00:10:28.960 very interesting to me is These like remote controlled 00:10:28.960 --> 00:10:34.700 sex toys very popular on cam sites very popular 00:10:34.700 --> 00:10:39.379 in campsites where How to like explain this where 00:10:39.379 --> 00:10:42.899 we don't get demonetized huh, so essentially 00:10:42.899 --> 00:10:47.259 it's going to you connect it to yourself and 00:10:47.259 --> 00:10:51.039 then You don't have to do anything and then you're 00:10:51.039 --> 00:10:53.360 like if you have a VR headset You're fully immersed 00:10:53.360 --> 00:10:55.759 in and then it feels like things are actually 00:10:55.759 --> 00:10:59.539 happening to you. It's fully immersive I think 00:10:59.539 --> 00:11:03.120 that is going to be enough to kind of like innovate 00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:05.740 and push forward however currently that kind 00:11:05.740 --> 00:11:08.559 of stuff is well outside of everyone's price 00:11:08.559 --> 00:11:11.559 range, so It's going to have to you're gonna 00:11:11.559 --> 00:11:13.600 have to have like more competitors enter in the 00:11:13.600 --> 00:11:18.070 market bring the prices of everything down Maybe 00:11:18.070 --> 00:11:21.929 in the next 10 years, I would say, yeah, 10 years. 00:11:22.309 --> 00:11:25.210 Corn in general, sorry, corn in general is going 00:11:25.210 --> 00:11:27.929 to be fucking crazy. We're going to be fucking 00:11:27.929 --> 00:11:31.509 there's no there's not going to be any more cobs. 00:11:31.509 --> 00:11:33.070 You know, there's not going to be corn on the 00:11:33.070 --> 00:11:35.570 cob anymore. Now is going to be this perfect 00:11:35.570 --> 00:11:39.070 corn. Well, and again, kind of going down that 00:11:39.070 --> 00:11:41.210 innovation route, you know, one of our viewers 00:11:41.210 --> 00:11:45.669 on the discord decided to send me a link to a 00:11:45.669 --> 00:11:51.700 adult entertainment Now, here's the thing. The 00:11:51.700 --> 00:11:55.320 technology and the innovation on these has increased 00:11:55.320 --> 00:12:00.519 greatly in the last few years. Holy smokes, right? 00:12:00.840 --> 00:12:04.539 I went down a rabbit hole and I was like, no, 00:12:04.740 --> 00:12:07.899 because here's my thing with these. And this 00:12:07.899 --> 00:12:10.980 is again comes down to the cost benefit analysis 00:12:10.980 --> 00:12:14.559 that I applied a V .R. I apply to here. It looks 00:12:14.559 --> 00:12:17.440 like kind of your your let's call them top of 00:12:17.440 --> 00:12:24.899 the line models. Right. Of these. Figures. Right. 00:12:26.460 --> 00:12:30.679 They range between two and four thousand dollars. 00:12:31.500 --> 00:12:35.940 Right. And they come with a variety of features. 00:12:36.200 --> 00:12:39.360 Right. They're internally heated. Right. They've 00:12:39.360 --> 00:12:42.889 now got them to do like. basic motions like a 00:12:42.889 --> 00:12:47.110 hip and waist motion. Right. They've got a head 00:12:47.110 --> 00:12:52.629 bobbing motion. Oh, God. OK. Is it like the. 00:12:54.070 --> 00:12:58.090 Oh, is it like what is that TV show The Big Bang 00:12:58.090 --> 00:13:00.370 Theory where the road he programmed the robot? 00:13:00.429 --> 00:13:03.870 Yes. But but again, more more realistically now, 00:13:04.250 --> 00:13:07.389 my personal feeling is they still look a little 00:13:07.389 --> 00:13:11.159 too uncanny valley to me. Right. where they're 00:13:11.159 --> 00:13:15.059 they're too perfect. Yeah, right. They still 00:13:15.059 --> 00:13:18.379 have a very like Barbie doll kind of like plasticky 00:13:18.379 --> 00:13:21.960 aesthetic to them. And I think that that's one 00:13:21.960 --> 00:13:25.139 of the things that that makes it difficult for 00:13:25.139 --> 00:13:31.360 those products. Also, the cost, the cost is they're 00:13:31.360 --> 00:13:33.240 extra. And like I went on one of the websites 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:35.480 where you can customize, like you can add like 00:13:35.480 --> 00:13:38.360 the internal heating and the movement and, you 00:13:38.360 --> 00:13:40.639 know. 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And again, for the cost, 00:14:18.710 --> 00:14:21.649 I would be like, just hire an escort every so 00:14:21.649 --> 00:14:28.370 often. That's my opinion. Now, wait, I want to 00:14:28.370 --> 00:14:31.549 address a comment in chat though. Needs to be 00:14:31.549 --> 00:14:36.990 more socially acceptable. So two things. much 00:14:36.990 --> 00:14:40.850 like details about your sex life I don't think 00:14:40.850 --> 00:14:43.970 like if you if somebody I knew purchased one 00:14:43.970 --> 00:14:46.769 of these and had one I'd be like good for you 00:14:46.769 --> 00:14:51.230 if you feel that that's the best use of your 00:14:51.230 --> 00:14:53.610 funds for what you're trying to get out of it 00:14:53.610 --> 00:14:57.370 I'm not gonna yuck your yum I'm really not right 00:14:57.370 --> 00:15:02.870 like that's that's on you right I absolutely 00:15:02.870 --> 00:15:08.419 wouldn't yuck your yum about that right But again, 00:15:08.519 --> 00:15:10.399 much like sharing details about your sex life, 00:15:10.399 --> 00:15:12.399 I don't think you need to go around broadcasting 00:15:12.399 --> 00:15:15.320 the fact that you've got one of these bots hanging 00:15:15.320 --> 00:15:17.899 out in your house. You know what I mean? Like 00:15:17.899 --> 00:15:26.639 I don't need to know. Right. OK. That's that's 00:15:26.639 --> 00:15:28.179 my thing. And if you tell me, like, good for 00:15:28.179 --> 00:15:32.860 you. But I'm saying, like, again, it's it's it 00:15:32.860 --> 00:15:35.220 kind of follows that same kind of ethical line 00:15:35.220 --> 00:15:39.379 in my head. Right, we're like again You know 00:15:39.379 --> 00:15:41.279 if that's if that's how you want to spend your 00:15:41.279 --> 00:15:43.840 money I'm not gonna yuck your yum. Go nuts dude 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:49.639 like that's on you. I'm cool right Same as I 00:15:49.639 --> 00:15:51.419 don't bust anybody's chops about either being 00:15:51.419 --> 00:15:53.659 an only fans creator or somebody who pays for 00:15:53.659 --> 00:15:56.259 it, right? I give that's where you want to spend 00:15:56.259 --> 00:16:02.360 your money You know, I buy comic books and all 00:16:02.360 --> 00:16:05.559 kinds of dumb shit Buy more alcohol than I probably 00:16:05.559 --> 00:16:09.159 should Right the amount of money I've spent on 00:16:09.159 --> 00:16:12.320 cigarettes in my entire life is probably You 00:16:12.320 --> 00:16:14.960 know, you can say a lot of shit about where I've 00:16:14.960 --> 00:16:18.000 spent my money, you know, so take that for what 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:23.460 it's worth I Don't know Jay, what do you think? 00:16:24.559 --> 00:16:29.179 Um, so touching on that Comment about you know 00:16:29.179 --> 00:16:33.690 be more socially acceptable I will say, I think 00:16:33.690 --> 00:16:35.830 we are starting to get there. And I would say, 00:16:35.830 --> 00:16:40.730 look at Japan, Japan, China, too. We heavily 00:16:40.730 --> 00:16:44.309 moving away from like traditional relationships. 00:16:44.769 --> 00:16:49.450 Um, it's very common, um, for people not to date. 00:16:49.950 --> 00:16:53.889 It's very common for people to go to these, um, 00:16:54.009 --> 00:16:56.830 uh, they're not considered escorts or anything, 00:16:56.950 --> 00:16:59.230 but like go to clubs where you actually just. 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:03.320 Pay for a girl just to go out on a date It's 00:17:03.320 --> 00:17:05.700 not sexual but just go out on a date and talk 00:17:05.700 --> 00:17:08.460 to her and hang out with her so like a girlfriend 00:17:08.460 --> 00:17:10.759 for like five hours and then you go back home 00:17:10.759 --> 00:17:13.960 and You're on your own and they're happy on their 00:17:13.960 --> 00:17:19.420 own. Um So there's a huge like movement in Japan 00:17:19.420 --> 00:17:25.079 We're like dating is becoming like less and less 00:17:25.079 --> 00:17:28.809 popular and people are kind of like taking things 00:17:28.809 --> 00:17:31.289 into their own hands, I guess. No pun intended 00:17:31.289 --> 00:17:35.829 there. But there is an argument to be made for 00:17:35.829 --> 00:17:42.470 it. Yeah. I want to address one to chat, and 00:17:42.470 --> 00:17:44.569 it's it's actually ironic that this chat message 00:17:44.569 --> 00:17:46.869 came through because there is something on the 00:17:46.869 --> 00:17:48.910 rundown that we had not decided whether we're 00:17:48.910 --> 00:17:50.650 going to do. And I still don't think we're going 00:17:50.650 --> 00:17:55.970 to. Right. But this kind of gets me there. Somebody 00:17:55.970 --> 00:17:57.589 in the chat said, I agree with that broadcast 00:17:57.589 --> 00:17:59.710 here, but society looks down on people who are 00:17:59.710 --> 00:18:02.869 into non vanilla sex stuff. They make it a joke 00:18:02.869 --> 00:18:05.609 in the media all the time. And one of the things 00:18:05.609 --> 00:18:09.589 in our rundown is talking about non vanilla sex 00:18:09.589 --> 00:18:15.890 things. Right. I think we're going to do that 00:18:15.890 --> 00:18:19.849 as a topic at some point. We're running pretty 00:18:19.849 --> 00:18:22.549 late tonight, so I don't think and Jane I talked 00:18:22.549 --> 00:18:24.109 about I said I don't want to do this is like 00:18:24.109 --> 00:18:26.630 an eight or nine minute segment Like what we've 00:18:26.630 --> 00:18:29.809 got planned right like that's a longer topic 00:18:29.809 --> 00:18:36.150 But please know It's actually come up. It's in 00:18:36.150 --> 00:18:43.660 our rundown And we agree with you Right I am 00:18:43.660 --> 00:18:46.039 for decriminalization of sex work. I think it 00:18:46.039 --> 00:18:50.099 is detrimental to society to criminalize sex 00:18:50.099 --> 00:18:54.440 work. It pushes it underground. Prohibition only 00:18:54.440 --> 00:18:56.839 breeds organized crime. And especially in areas 00:18:56.839 --> 00:18:58.799 like this, it also breeds human trafficking. 00:19:00.259 --> 00:19:04.599 Right. It makes it a lot easier to do those kinds 00:19:04.599 --> 00:19:10.140 of things than. If you just decriminalized it. 00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:18.759 You know what I mean? Yeah, I agree. Um, and 00:19:18.759 --> 00:19:24.420 I'll say, you know, dog, dad, um, there's a quote 00:19:24.420 --> 00:19:31.180 that I really like, um, people are going to talk 00:19:31.180 --> 00:19:34.900 about you no matter what you do. So you might 00:19:34.900 --> 00:19:38.279 as well do what makes you happy and not give 00:19:38.279 --> 00:19:48.599 a fuck. Um, so yeah, and I, I'm very much not 00:19:48.599 --> 00:19:53.079 vanilla at all. And I struggled with that like 00:19:53.079 --> 00:19:57.259 growing up because I realized in middle school, 00:19:57.759 --> 00:20:00.619 I was not vanilla, but I did not know the word 00:20:00.619 --> 00:20:05.619 for it. And I thought something was wrong with 00:20:05.619 --> 00:20:09.720 me. And I suppressed it for a really long time. 00:20:10.099 --> 00:20:12.240 And I even went to a therapist and was like, 00:20:12.240 --> 00:20:15.440 fix me. And luckily in Florida, I guess I went 00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:18.660 to the only therapist. I was like, Oh yeah, there's 00:20:18.660 --> 00:20:21.740 nothing wrong with you. Let me help you accept 00:20:21.740 --> 00:20:26.359 you for who you are. There's nothing wrong with 00:20:26.359 --> 00:20:29.519 it. You have to live your own life, not give 00:20:29.519 --> 00:20:31.839 a fuck. People are going to bitch. People are 00:20:31.839 --> 00:20:34.119 going to complain. No matter what you do, you 00:20:34.119 --> 00:20:37.480 could live a fake vanilla life and still not 00:20:37.480 --> 00:20:42.809 make people happy. So yeah. Life's too short 00:20:42.809 --> 00:20:46.829 to be vanilla. Don't be vanilla. Do what you 00:20:46.829 --> 00:20:50.049 got to do. Kind of swinging it back to our original 00:20:50.049 --> 00:20:53.309 time, which the business of the adult entertainment 00:20:53.309 --> 00:20:58.069 industry. Another interesting thing in this report 00:20:58.069 --> 00:21:01.309 is, and I think it's the most key thing, and 00:21:01.309 --> 00:21:09.230 I actually think. I think that that. It's it's 00:21:09.230 --> 00:21:12.329 one of the difficult parts is monetizing consumers 00:21:12.329 --> 00:21:15.869 remains the largest hurdle. Right. Which, again, 00:21:15.869 --> 00:21:17.869 actually used to amaze me. It's like, why pay 00:21:17.869 --> 00:21:20.569 for only fans? Why pay for adult entertainment? 00:21:20.710 --> 00:21:24.329 Because there's so much out there for free. Right. 00:21:24.630 --> 00:21:30.289 It is not hard to find free entertainment. Very 00:21:30.289 --> 00:21:32.569 true. You know what I mean? And I think they're 00:21:32.569 --> 00:21:34.490 saying this to like, they're like, man, we but 00:21:34.490 --> 00:21:38.949 people still pay for it. But yeah, I mean, you 00:21:38.949 --> 00:21:43.869 know, what percentage are of the what percentage 00:21:43.869 --> 00:21:45.970 of the consumer base are actually willing to 00:21:45.970 --> 00:21:48.670 pay for it? And I actually think that that number 00:21:48.670 --> 00:21:53.150 is low. I think of the total number of people 00:21:53.150 --> 00:21:55.809 who consume adult entertainment, the amount who 00:21:55.809 --> 00:21:59.869 are willing to put money into it is probably 00:21:59.869 --> 00:22:05.130 the minority. Wouldn't you agree? Yeah, I mean, 00:22:06.109 --> 00:22:14.769 like. You have free websites like pornhub where 00:22:14.769 --> 00:22:24.710 you can find anything reddit reddit Twitter Yeah, 00:22:25.410 --> 00:22:27.589 I mean yes, you could have like better quality 00:22:27.589 --> 00:22:30.289 or maybe the complete video if you paid for it, 00:22:30.289 --> 00:22:38.599 but You can kind of just find it free on One 00:22:38.599 --> 00:22:43.799 of those platforms, so. And I would say that's 00:22:43.799 --> 00:22:45.700 the majority of people, that's what they're doing, 00:22:45.740 --> 00:22:46.980 like they're not they're not actually paying 00:22:46.980 --> 00:22:53.339 for it. So, yeah. The other thing that's interesting 00:22:53.339 --> 00:22:55.380 to note about their thing, and again, we're talking 00:22:55.380 --> 00:22:57.319 about the mainstream adult entertainment, the 00:22:57.319 --> 00:23:01.579 margins are surprisingly low. The profit margin 00:23:01.579 --> 00:23:08.589 is only five point nine percent. Yeah, that which 00:23:08.589 --> 00:23:10.869 again to me feeds into the how many people aren't 00:23:10.869 --> 00:23:16.549 paying for it. Yeah. Right. And also, dang, your 00:23:16.549 --> 00:23:23.710 operating costs for this business are high. So 00:23:23.710 --> 00:23:33.630 I will say. So. The the people that I know that 00:23:33.630 --> 00:23:36.730 are in the adult industry. the issue with only 00:23:36.730 --> 00:23:40.410 fans is that it's actually kind of like a perfect 00:23:40.410 --> 00:23:44.289 business model issue so whenever someone makes 00:23:44.289 --> 00:23:48.869 a lot of money in a market or industry that's 00:23:48.869 --> 00:23:52.690 that's a signal for others to come in and drive 00:23:52.690 --> 00:23:55.890 the price down to also make profits so that's 00:23:55.890 --> 00:24:00.089 how everything works in the world so if someone's 00:24:00.089 --> 00:24:02.369 making a shit ton of money because they're like 00:24:02.369 --> 00:24:06.170 an innovator It's not going to last forever They're 00:24:06.170 --> 00:24:08.109 going to get dragged down with like competitors 00:24:08.109 --> 00:24:10.529 in her entering the market the issue with only 00:24:10.529 --> 00:24:15.609 fans is you'll have thousands of girls doing 00:24:15.609 --> 00:24:19.109 these insanely low membership only fans of like 00:24:19.109 --> 00:24:21.609 375 like three dollars and seventy five cents 00:24:21.609 --> 00:24:25.750 or whatever with with a low PPV content threshold 00:24:25.750 --> 00:24:30.630 so it In the beginning, like people were making 00:24:30.630 --> 00:24:33.150 a lot of money, I feel like, on only fans. But 00:24:33.150 --> 00:24:36.450 now the market's flooded. Yeah, the market is 00:24:36.450 --> 00:24:40.109 flooded and it's dragging the price down of of 00:24:40.109 --> 00:24:43.529 adult content. But then also on the other side 00:24:43.529 --> 00:24:46.509 of things, what my friends kind of tell me and 00:24:46.509 --> 00:24:54.089 like kind of complain about is. D .F .M .E .A.'s. 00:24:54.109 --> 00:24:57.210 I'm not sure if that's the right acronym. But 00:24:57.210 --> 00:25:01.109 like a service that they have to pay to get their 00:25:01.109 --> 00:25:05.789 content pulled down. Oh, DMCA. Yes. There you 00:25:05.789 --> 00:25:09.109 go. There's a one in Copyright Act. Yeah. Yeah. 00:25:09.549 --> 00:25:12.950 You have to pay that to keep your content from 00:25:12.950 --> 00:25:15.630 being just uploaded for free to various sites. 00:25:15.690 --> 00:25:21.369 Yep. I will say like traditional porn, where 00:25:21.369 --> 00:25:23.470 you actually because my friends also do that 00:25:23.470 --> 00:25:28.140 as well. Where like you get flown out to a location 00:25:28.140 --> 00:25:30.460 and they have a whole setup and like a makeup 00:25:30.460 --> 00:25:33.099 artist and film crew and all of that kind of 00:25:33.099 --> 00:25:35.779 stuff and they pay for your hotel and all of 00:25:35.779 --> 00:25:38.119 that like that seems like that's really expensive, 00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:41.339 but then they make an insane amount of money 00:25:41.339 --> 00:25:46.160 off of that like So I don't know I think you 00:25:46.160 --> 00:25:48.359 have one extreme in the other you have the high 00:25:48.359 --> 00:25:51.220 production traditional porn aspect that's able 00:25:51.220 --> 00:25:55.240 to have a higher profit margin than your five 00:25:55.240 --> 00:25:57.579 point whatever percent you stated. And then you 00:25:57.579 --> 00:26:02.299 have the very low end market where like people 00:26:02.299 --> 00:26:04.359 are trying to get their content to be bought. 00:26:04.500 --> 00:26:10.359 But it's so such a low price. If that makes sense. 00:26:11.019 --> 00:26:16.160 Yeah. Kind of coming back to also the taboo stuff, 00:26:16.539 --> 00:26:20.500 right? The taboo part of it makes us a difficult 00:26:20.500 --> 00:26:26.940 thing to do business wise. because it's taboo. 00:26:27.740 --> 00:26:32.960 Right. Like. It just is, you know, right, wrong 00:26:32.960 --> 00:26:35.160 or indifferent. That's the world we live in right 00:26:35.160 --> 00:26:46.579 now. You know, so it's it's hard to get good 00:26:46.579 --> 00:26:50.440 data because a lot of it's hidden, you know. 00:26:53.730 --> 00:26:56.910 It's tough it's super tough to figure this all 00:26:56.910 --> 00:27:00.910 out I do like this report. I think it's an interesting 00:27:00.910 --> 00:27:05.130 report again looking at it. You can see and I 00:27:05.130 --> 00:27:07.309 Think from their challenges point. It's something 00:27:07.309 --> 00:27:11.890 that I don't think Yeah, it's something they 00:27:11.890 --> 00:27:16.769 don't They kind of they kind of touch on right 00:27:16.769 --> 00:27:19.210 which is for traditional adult entertainment. 00:27:19.509 --> 00:27:21.329 They really are they're competing with only fans 00:27:21.799 --> 00:27:26.660 Right. And again, is that a more genuine feeling 00:27:26.660 --> 00:27:32.200 experience, right, to watch two amateurs on OnlyFans 00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:37.599 versus a traditional produced high production 00:27:37.599 --> 00:27:42.680 value adult video? You know what I mean? And 00:27:42.680 --> 00:27:46.599 I think that's why the success for those more 00:27:46.599 --> 00:27:49.589 low production amateur That stuff. But again, 00:27:49.609 --> 00:27:52.650 it also drives the pricing points down because 00:27:52.650 --> 00:27:58.130 now the market's flooded enough to make. The 00:27:58.130 --> 00:28:05.250 commodity drop in value. Yeah. You know, and 00:28:05.250 --> 00:28:07.490 then there's the constant legalization thing, 00:28:07.490 --> 00:28:11.049 you know, and it's it's where is it legal? And 00:28:11.049 --> 00:28:13.190 what's interesting and I'm curious, I need to 00:28:13.190 --> 00:28:15.710 get with like a lawyer. Because I would love 00:28:15.710 --> 00:28:17.569 to do a follow up on this one, because one of 00:28:17.569 --> 00:28:20.150 the things they point out is California and Delaware 00:28:20.150 --> 00:28:22.789 are two of the only states where it's legal to 00:28:22.789 --> 00:28:27.589 film hardcore adult entertainment stuff. Right. 00:28:27.990 --> 00:28:30.289 But you know, it's being filmed by only fans, 00:28:30.450 --> 00:28:32.410 creators and stuff like that in other locations. 00:28:32.630 --> 00:28:39.109 So is that like a legal loophole? So we'd like 00:28:39.109 --> 00:28:43.339 to follow up. something I have heard is kind 00:28:43.339 --> 00:28:51.059 of the loophole of Only fans is so it's easy 00:28:51.059 --> 00:28:54.960 for if you're a traditional porn Company for 00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:56.819 that to get shut down in these kind of states 00:28:56.819 --> 00:28:58.799 and again, this is just what I heard everywhere, 00:28:58.900 --> 00:29:04.400 but California and Delaware yeah, but If you 00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:07.740 are a content creator, which most content creators, 00:29:07.740 --> 00:29:10.380 and I do not agree with this, this is a bad business 00:29:10.380 --> 00:29:12.180 model, just FYI, because you're going to lose 00:29:12.180 --> 00:29:14.579 a lot of money in taxes. They don't have an LLC 00:29:14.579 --> 00:29:17.319 set up and I'm talking about very amateur people. 00:29:17.579 --> 00:29:21.880 They're just content creators. Um, that then 00:29:21.880 --> 00:29:25.160 if you're not a legal entity, then it's like 00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:32.240 a freedom of speech. Huh? Very interesting. That's 00:29:32.240 --> 00:29:34.119 just what I've heard I would love to get it like 00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:36.539 a lawyer on here and kind of like verify that 00:29:36.539 --> 00:29:41.640 but yeah, I Don't know if you guys are interested 00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:43.859 in this topic and us continuing to talk about 00:29:43.859 --> 00:29:46.680 topics like these Let us know we'll keep going 00:29:46.680 --> 00:29:50.849 down this rabbit hole Just a side funny story 00:29:50.849 --> 00:29:53.910 again, and you were talking about Japan Jay remembers 00:29:53.910 --> 00:29:55.750 we did before we shut down the store one of the 00:29:55.750 --> 00:29:58.049 last big events We did was we did our first gamers 00:29:58.049 --> 00:30:01.109 heaven after dark where we had adult content 00:30:01.109 --> 00:30:05.150 creators, right? What do we have a ten? There 00:30:05.150 --> 00:30:10.109 that night And the ten or twelve, right? Okay, 00:30:10.470 --> 00:30:13.029 we had ten or twelve adult content creators to 00:30:13.029 --> 00:30:14.630 include the people that Jay does his podcast 00:30:14.630 --> 00:30:18.809 with Unnatural to some so you guys can can go 00:30:18.809 --> 00:30:22.230 look at that podcast as well. So they were there. 00:30:22.289 --> 00:30:24.930 We had some adult content creators. We had Japanese 00:30:24.930 --> 00:30:29.490 adult arcade games. And then what was really 00:30:29.490 --> 00:30:31.210 interesting against me as a Japan is we are getting 00:30:31.210 --> 00:30:33.630 product to sell because we sell nerdy stuff. 00:30:33.930 --> 00:30:37.109 So let's go find the adult nerdy stuff. And boy, 00:30:37.210 --> 00:30:39.910 when I was getting ready to set the orders for 00:30:39.910 --> 00:30:42.970 that adult nerdy stuff, did I go down a rabbit 00:30:42.970 --> 00:30:46.789 hole of all the shit that they make in Japan. 00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:50.019 Right? Because some of it's very innocuous. It's 00:30:50.019 --> 00:30:55.500 like desk mats and banners and cutouts. But some 00:30:55.500 --> 00:30:58.259 of it is not so innocuous. And we had to have 00:30:58.259 --> 00:31:01.579 long discussions at the store about how far down 00:31:01.579 --> 00:31:03.900 did we want to go down this line for the first 00:31:03.900 --> 00:31:06.960 event? Right. And what ended up being the only 00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:08.819 one? We would have done more had the store stayed 00:31:08.819 --> 00:31:12.420 open because the event itself was a resounding 00:31:12.420 --> 00:31:16.720 success. We sold out of tickets in like a week. 00:31:17.079 --> 00:31:19.859 If that like Jay, you were there that night. 00:31:19.859 --> 00:31:27.099 It was packed. It was and I was I was excited 00:31:27.099 --> 00:31:32.819 like we were talking about so much stuff. I remember 00:31:32.819 --> 00:31:34.619 at one point we were talking about because something 00:31:34.619 --> 00:31:37.059 that I'm like heavily into is Shabari. Yeah. 00:31:37.140 --> 00:31:39.599 Which is Japanese rope bondage, which I think 00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:42.200 is very artistic and very cool looking. Very 00:31:42.200 --> 00:31:45.549 cool looking. It's very beautiful. And we were 00:31:45.549 --> 00:31:47.869 talking about like the next one, maybe doing 00:31:47.869 --> 00:31:55.450 a Shabari show. And I was like. Yep. And then 00:31:55.450 --> 00:31:58.910 Alex just decided not to do it anymore. It was 00:31:58.910 --> 00:32:05.309 not my fault. We sadly we sadly had to shut the 00:32:05.309 --> 00:32:07.910 store down. Yes, it was much more male dominated. 00:32:08.089 --> 00:32:12.130 I would say. There were there was more women 00:32:12.130 --> 00:32:15.029 there than I thought would be there. who bought 00:32:15.029 --> 00:32:19.150 tickets to go. Right. It was not like a 90 10 00:32:19.150 --> 00:32:22.210 split. I would say it was closer to a 70 30. 00:32:24.630 --> 00:32:33.349 For that event. I can I'm ballparking. I can't 00:32:33.349 --> 00:32:37.910 remember. Again, it was a very popular event. 00:32:38.609 --> 00:32:43.539 People. People. People were excited about it. 00:32:43.539 --> 00:32:45.900 We were iffy about it at first. We were like, 00:32:45.940 --> 00:32:47.960 well, is this going to go off? And we were like, 00:32:47.960 --> 00:32:49.839 are we going to sell enough tickets to justify 00:32:49.839 --> 00:32:53.359 the event? And boy, howdy. We ended up having 00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:57.180 to extend out how many tickets we had done. Right. 00:32:57.259 --> 00:32:58.819 We originally were going to sell 40, and I think 00:32:58.819 --> 00:33:03.319 we ended up selling 70 tickets to the event. 00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:09.859 And yet people had a good time. Come in, interact 00:33:09.859 --> 00:33:13.579 with adult content creators. You know hang out 00:33:13.579 --> 00:33:19.460 people played games Right. Yeah, you know Yeah, 00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:22.900 so it was it was definitely a thing We did our 00:33:22.900 --> 00:33:25.259 best to try and take the taboo out of it again 00:33:25.259 --> 00:33:27.279 keeping within the legal requirements that we 00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:29.640 have You know in that it has to be an 18 up event 00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:34.400 and things like that You know without having 00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:37.160 to get a full adult entertainment license, but 00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:40.359 Do you want to type in this last note here? You've 00:33:40.359 --> 00:33:42.819 got something about your your somebody who was 00:33:42.819 --> 00:33:45.099 at the event has now been approached to make 00:33:45.099 --> 00:33:53.660 a item. Oh. Yeah. So one of my friends, Nikki 00:33:53.660 --> 00:33:58.819 South, she's on the other podcast with me. We 00:33:58.819 --> 00:34:03.779 we were at the event at your store. but like 00:34:03.779 --> 00:34:05.900 this came up recently and like the past week 00:34:05.900 --> 00:34:07.579 and I just thought it was kind of like a funny 00:34:07.579 --> 00:34:11.079 like little thing because she reached out to 00:34:11.079 --> 00:34:12.659 me about it and she was like hey should I do 00:34:12.659 --> 00:34:17.760 this a toy company adult toy company reached 00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:21.739 out to her and said like hey are you interested 00:34:21.739 --> 00:34:24.260 in having your own adult toy like we'll send 00:34:24.260 --> 00:34:26.980 you like the plaster and everything like just 00:34:26.980 --> 00:34:30.360 like a tutorial on how to set it up You don't 00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:32.920 have to pay for anything. It's completely free 00:34:32.920 --> 00:34:38.219 You essentially make a cast of yourself and then 00:34:38.219 --> 00:34:45.000 we will mass produce a toy of yourself and then 00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:49.340 yeah, you would get like a percentage of the 00:34:49.340 --> 00:34:52.019 Profits of all the toys and she was like is this 00:34:52.019 --> 00:34:54.500 legit and I was like, oh, yeah this fucking looks 00:34:54.500 --> 00:34:58.289 legit and you should do it but it was a It was 00:34:58.289 --> 00:35:03.929 kind of a kind of a little funny thing. And yeah, 00:35:04.150 --> 00:35:06.730 going back to kind of talking about that night 00:35:06.730 --> 00:35:12.150 at your at the game store. I just remembered. 00:35:12.489 --> 00:35:16.170 So there was a very famous and he really came 00:35:16.170 --> 00:35:21.210 in under the radar. He did not tell people his 00:35:21.210 --> 00:35:24.630 adult adult name. He wanted just to be there 00:35:24.630 --> 00:35:29.900 just to enjoy. The party and yeah, yeah But he's 00:35:29.900 --> 00:35:34.239 a very famous male porn star And they even like 00:35:34.239 --> 00:35:37.760 name drop him on a TV show letter Kenny. I'm 00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:39.420 not sure if you guys are familiar with that Oh, 00:35:39.420 --> 00:35:42.920 yeah, but I we were sitting at a table playing 00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:47.139 games and there a girl came up and she goes Have 00:35:47.139 --> 00:35:50.079 we met before and he goes I don't think so and 00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:54.070 she's like you look so familiar And he just laughed. 00:35:54.090 --> 00:35:56.750 It was like, I have a very familiar looking face. 00:35:57.610 --> 00:36:01.769 But is it who I'm thinking of? Maybe. Yeah, I 00:36:01.769 --> 00:36:05.889 think so. At the store. Yeah, I think it was. 00:36:07.389 --> 00:36:09.449 Yeah. Don't worry, folks. Let your freak flag 00:36:09.449 --> 00:36:12.699 fly. Yeah, so if you want us to talk, wow, that 00:36:12.699 --> 00:36:15.239 was a long segment. If you want us to talk more 00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:17.679 about these kind of segments in the future, let 00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:19.920 us know. We will add this stuff. I'd love to 00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:22.099 get a lawyer on here. I have a friend who used 00:36:22.099 --> 00:36:25.219 to work in the early days of the internet prawn 00:36:25.219 --> 00:36:28.619 industry. We'll see who else we can get on to 00:36:28.619 --> 00:36:34.280 chat about some of this. If the topic interests 00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:36.280 you, let us know down in the comments below.