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They announced the first release for the Marvel and Magic

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to Gathering crossover that was announced back in 2023.

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This is just the first series of products that are coming.

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We know I think next year they're doing a full set release for Marvel.

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I actually think it's World of Spider-Man.

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So that's coming next year.

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But we wanted to chat because they did a full release as to what's coming

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in the secret layer.

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So let's talk about that for it.

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So it's coming out in multiple sets.

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So you buy each set individually.

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The first set we're going to talk about today is the Black Panther set.

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It's a green white.

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That's actually a really cheap for a commander.

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It's just a green and a white.

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Whenever he enters or another creature enters,

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you put a plus one one counter on a target land.

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Then for three land, you move all the one one counters from

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a target land to a creature.

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So he's going to generate creatures.

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This is another good one.

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This one, I almost want this one to so I can put it in my jet mirror deck.

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Create X white, one one white warrior creature tokens for one white plus X.

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I mean, that's that's good.

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This one's really fun.

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It's a token doubler.

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And then permits you control gain.

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Hacks for infinite destruction until end of the turn.

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This is a reprint.

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But the art I have to give them, right?

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Now you're you just mentioned you're a comic fan.

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This art is solid.

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I do like it.

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Right.

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And then also in that set, you get a Wakandan skyscraper, which is

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one colorless mana.

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And then for four and a thing, you can proliferate.

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And then that's the token that they're using for the warrior token card,

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which again looks really solid.

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Next up.

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Oh, by the way, the price on each one of these for the nonfoils are 40 bucks.

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For the rainbow foils, they're 50.

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This one's our obvious Tron.

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We got Captain America and he's red, white and blue.

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Because of course he is.

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He allows you to unattach equipment and basically eat that equipment and your

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opponents and then bring it back to him.

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So it fits.

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Combined that with the Excalibur sword from Assassin's Creed and this is a 12 mana drop.

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You know, that's that's pretty beefy.

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Or an equipment come in as flash for a single white.

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That's pretty solid.

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Creatures you control gain indestructible.

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Plus one plus one.

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And then, of course, his shield, the shield of one.

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And peace, which is a option to these sort of war and peace.

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It's a plus two, plus two and has protection from white.

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And then it deals damage equal to the number of cards in their hand and you gain a life

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for each card in your hand.

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Which is pretty neat.

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Right?

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It's not bad.

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And it's only three mana.

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So again, so that's what comes with that one.

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Then we get Iron Man.

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He has flying and he's got a lot of armor.

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Right. He is flying and haste, which is nice.

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He's a blue red.

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And he creates treasure tokens.

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This is my favorite part.

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And the reason I'm thinking about buying this one is that soul ring.

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I like I like that soul ring.

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That commander's plate is also pretty good too.

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Right.

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Equip gets plus three, plus three and protects from every color.

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That's not your commander's color. Yeah.

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See, even chat saying that's cool soul ring.

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I kind of want the Iron Man one just for those two right there.

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He gets a legendary land at a colorless.

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If you control three or more artifacts gain a life.

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I kind of want this one.

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And I also like the treasure token, which I think is pretty solid.

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This is the one that had a lot of people excited from the competitive side is storm.

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Flying vigilance.

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And then whenever storm deals, combat damage to the player,

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the next incident of Sorcery cast this turn has storm.

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When you cast a copy for each spell cast before this turn,

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you may choose new targets for the copies.

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She comes with lightning bolt.

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Jay, you said you really liked that lightning bolt art.

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I just think it's awesome art.

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I am a sucker for good art.

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I will buy a comic book just for the cover art.

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100%.

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So I do love that art.

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Storms will add Red Mana for each card to target opponent's hand.

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Exile top three to play them this turn.

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And then we all love land destruction.

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That makes everybody happy to start target land.

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And then Aurora Borealis, which is manamorphos,

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add to man in any combination colors and draw a card.

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This one would make it really good like.

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Sorcery deck.

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Spill singer.

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And then finally, last but certainly not least, Wolverine.

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Wolverine.

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Wolverine.

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Wolverine.

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He's a mutant berserker hero.

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See, he's not human, which would make him be better.

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He doubles all damage he would deal.

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At the end of each end step, if he dealt damage to another creature this turn,

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put a 1-1 counter on him.

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He could get beefy fast.

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And then for one in a green, you regenerate him.

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If he takes damage, next time he would be destroyed,

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tap him, remove him from combat, and heal all damage.

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Which is ridiculous.

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Berserk casts a spell before the combat damage step.

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They gain trample.

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And then this one, whatever creature controls the damage,

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put a 1-1 counter on it.

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That's neat.

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This one's kind of cool if you're running creature decks.

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Creature spells you control can't be countered.

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Don't token creatures you control have a riot.

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And then this is the other one that I thought was good.

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It's a reprint of the Ozalith.

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Whenever a creature controls a leaves of batter,

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you take the counters off of it, put it on the bonding tank,

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and then you can put all the counters into beginning of combat.

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Chat's saying no Deadpool missed opportunity.

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I'm hoping we get that in the next release.

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Yeah, I could totally see the next release being Deadpool.

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And are they hiding them behind secret lair?

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Yes, this first release is a secret lair exclusive.

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If you spend $200 or more, only $200, you get an arcane signet,

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but you get Earth's mightiest emblem as arcane segment.

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So it's add one man of any color.

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So it's arcane.

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It's a reprint.

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But it's the Avengers tower as arcane, which is again, it's great art.

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Not worth it for that.

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I think it's really I and Chat's saying it's not worth it for that.

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I think it's really for the people who just go ham and buy all four or five,

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because if you buy all of them, you're going to get this basically.

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If you buy all of the ones.

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The only question that I don't know, because the last sets of secret lair.

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So a couple years ago, they announced that secret lairs weren't going to be

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printed on demand, that they were going to do limited stuff.

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My advice to magic, you better make this just unlimited, right?

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You better not limit the supply of this because you guys are terrible about handling scalpers.

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And these things are going to fly for the scalpers, right?

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They're just going to fly.

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And you're not going to get these cards.

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So if I was magic, I would say, look, as long as, you know, it's if you can buy them in the

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first two weeks, you can just buy them, right?

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We all know the magic secondary market is a freaking zoo.

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This is going to be a really bad zoo.

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Dear God, do not make these limited like make unlimited.

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So far as you've got a limited period of time to buy them.

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But if you guys go, look, we're only selling however many of these and then they're gone.

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Like nobody's going to get them, you know, and quite frankly, your reputation right now

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is not super great wizards.

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You have thoughts.

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No, it's just I'm just remembering like the the the the the the the the the the the

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I'm just remembering like the the what was that like art scandal?

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I think it happened last year where they altered the art just slightly so they wouldn't have to

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pay the artists on cards that they got kind of like locked away.

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They said they weren't going to make any more of but then they like didn't they like tweak

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the art just slightly and then release them?

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Yeah, I don't remember.

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It's it's one of look if wizards doesn't have a scandal every four months, they're behind

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the they're behind the run.

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OK, like legit, like it's just kind of what wizards does.

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Yeah. Again, I think some of these are going to go really fast.

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I'm going to be curious to see what some of these are worth on the secondary market after

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they drop.

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You know what would be really interesting to do, though?

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I think what we would really want to do is go is if we were able to get our hands every now and

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then on some secret layers that are really cool like these that maybe do a little giveaway for

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some of our fans that joins us.

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That would be a lot of fun.

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Trying to see if they're already up on the secret layer.

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It's pre-sale on TCG player and they're not showing pricing data on it yet.

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I'm going to be curious what these go for.

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What they got using a promotion.

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They were caught using AI art and published materials, not promotional materials,

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published materials, and they had to do a whole big walk back on it.

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And it was in D&D specifically.

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Theoretically, in their contracts, wizards say is that artists who work for them are not

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allowed to use AI at any stage of the development process.

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Full stop.

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This has been a consistent problem for wizards because first off they got caught doing it.

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And then a bunch of pseudo internet sluice on Twitter thought there was some AI art.

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And they ended up smearing an artist.

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And he ended up having to go through and go, here is all of the development drawings that go

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through when I send them to wizards to prove that it wasn't AI because they thought they spotted AI.

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It's a really crappy situation.

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Wizards has said that again, it's a violation of their contracts to use AI art in any of their

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projects for either magic or Dungeons and Dragons.

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Yeah, I mean, like I said, this is just the first one of them.

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Again, they're going to do a wide release.

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Here's the other question that I have for Jay, though.

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And this was something somebody brought up to me the other day on this one is there was,

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and I'd be curious to know what Chad thinks, too.

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Somebody has brought it to me like some stuff just doesn't fit in magic, right?

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Like Lord of the Rings is all high sorcery and fantasy and that and that and that so it fits.

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But then you get stuff like Jurassic Park.

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Marvel, right?

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Right? Like, yeah, does that fit in Magic the Gathering?

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Or and again, putting aside the business at like side of it because we all know why they're

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doing it. But like, do you think it fits?

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I think I think you could make you could get some of it to fit.

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I think, like, for instance, like the Scarlet Witch definitely fits.

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Captain America Iron Man, though, I would say probably not so much out of those characters.

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But I don't know.

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Like just thematically.

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Or is it more palatable to you because you are a comic book fan and they'll do all kinds of weird

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genre swapping and up and down and things like that.

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Yeah, that's that's a really good point.

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It's you. Yeah, I think they are kind of going after the fact that I love comic books.

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So I see stuff like this and I'm like, oh, my gosh, like that's really what you mentioned

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in our last segment that you you're a collector. Yeah. Does this does this is just scratching at

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that? Is this itching that collector part of your brain? I mean, I'm not going to lie like that.

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The the storm one, the last one that you showed, like, yes, I do like I think that would be so

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sick to have because like, OK, so let me let me break this down.

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So the last secret layer when I bought this set right here.

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This fits this fits in my deck.

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I I bought these cards specifically to use them in my magic deck.

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If I buy the storm secret layer drop, it's not going to my deck.

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I do not have a deck where that makes sense.

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I'm literally just collecting at that point.

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Which I I've been a huge Pokemon collector my entire life.

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So I love collecting cards, but it's not practical to actually play with.

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Like it's you're just collecting things because it looks cool because I like Marvel comics.

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Yeah. As far as thematically chats bring up Kamigawa Neon Dynasty, which is a very obviously

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they had Mecca and stuff like that. And to Fury, who was a time traveler.

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And then they had streets to do Kappana, which they were like mafia, but also demons and like

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gang like monsters. And then recently they did outlaws at Thunder Junction, which was a Western

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theme set. And then they did Duskborn, which is like 80s slasher horror.

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You know, themes.

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You know, themes. Ravnica, big city is what chats bring it up to. I think.

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Again, putting aside the business stuff, I can see why people and I've had a lot of friends

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who were getting annoyed at all the like outside IP that they're bringing in.

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Right. Yeah. Like at least Kamigawa is theirs. Outlaws is theirs.

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But Marvel, Assassin's Creed, Lord of the Rings. What are the ones if they do hot sunimiku?

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As we talked about in our last segment, right? A lot of these like are they just Warhammer 40K?

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You know, are they just cash grabs?

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You know, obviously Marvel is one of the most valuable brands on the planet.

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You know.

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Yeah. But I think I think it's going to hit like a breaking point where you're going.

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You're going to burn people out like Funko pops. I think it's going to take a little bit longer,

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because I think the issue that Funko ran into is they have no practical use at all.

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Well, they don't have any practical use at all, but people run out of space to put Funko pops after

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a while. I don't want to talk about space to store cards right now. It makes me sad.

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I have too many cards right now. Well, that's that's an entirely different subject because

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you had a game store. So like, yeah, I guess. I guess my thing is again, yeah, I see your

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your thing with Funko. But again, at least at least when they're coming out with these,

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they're trying to make useful cards. Yeah. I mean, that's true.

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You know, that's stuff that you can actually use in a commander deck.

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Magic to gathering Smash Brothers. Nice. I hear it like as a I'm a very like casual magic player.

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Me too. I'm not going to go to like a tournament. I like when I play, obviously,

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I like to win. I play to win. I'm always looking at like ways to like better my deck, my like

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quote unquote competitive deck, if you will. But like, I don't want to like if I was a competitive

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player, if I was someone that was going to go out to tournaments and really try to, you know,

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I don't know, get all the gym badges, if you will.

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So I would get really annoyed with all like the new mechanics being released all the time.

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Like, oh, I have people I talk to who are talking about that, that being a problem.

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Something in the chat is saying all those franchises coming to MTG delutes the lore of

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magic. I think that's what a lot of people are worried about. And then somebody said,

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like if I want to play Final Fantasy characters, I'll play the Final Fantasy TCG. Didn't they

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do a Final Fantasy secret layer? I could have sworn they or there did. No, there's one that's

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coming. Oh, shoot. Yes. Hang on. There is.

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It's coming. What is it coming 25 next year?

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Yes, they are doing a universes beyond set next year for Final Fantasy.

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Oh, God.

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Yep. And it will do cards up through Final Fantasy 16.

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So you know, clowns suffer out there going to be commanders.

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Big sigh. Something in the chat saying big sigh.

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I'm torn on it again. You got to give magic credit for staying as relevant as they are.

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Yeah. For as long as they have to keep a game going. This long is beyond challenging. Right.

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And again, you got to kind of give them credit. They've managed to hold out for a long time.

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Yeah. I think you know, you did bring up like we're supposed to be a very, you know, cheerful,

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happy kind of show. So I am so happy that we always get new secret layer drops every single

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month and new command. We don't have to go that far. We don't have to go that far. I'm so happy.

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Wizard, you know what would be great is if like in the month of December. Happy, not chill.

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And the month of December, you should just launch a new secret layer every week for Christmas,

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you know, like just countdown Christmas. Like one for the 12 days of Christmas,

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like every single day brand new secret layer. Watch that. They're going to do that now.

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They're absolutely going to do that at some point. It's going to be great.

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If you're watching this later, let us know down in the comments what you think.

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Are you planning on buying the Marvel secret layer drop? Does this interest you in the

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least bit? Do you think it's just a giant cash grab? 100% cash is are they the devil?

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Let us know what you think. Okay. New secret layer, $300 MTG advent calendar. Oh my God. Yep.

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I'm surprised they have not done that with a pack a day. Geez. Actually, yeah. All right, folks.

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Thanks. And yeah, don't you think?