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Welcome in everybody.

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Today's deep dive, we're gonna be checking out

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Adam Grant's interview on the diary of a CEO.

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Oh yeah, I love Adam Grant.

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Me too.

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Always some really fascinating insights.

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And I think this one is gonna be particularly

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applicable to our audience.

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Absolutely.

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So much to unpack here.

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And like I was saying, just a ton of stuff

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that you can apply to your own life

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to be more successful and creative.

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Yeah, he doesn't pull any punches.

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So I figured we'd start off with this idea of perfectionism.

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Okay.

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We talk a lot on the show about the importance of effort,

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the importance of really dedicating yourself to your craft.

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Right, right.

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But Grant brings up this idea that perfectionism

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can actually be a risk factor.

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Like a what?

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Like a detriment?

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Yeah, to burnout.

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He actually found that while it might help you

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ace tests in school, it doesn't necessarily translate

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to better job performance in the real world.

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Hmm, yeah, I can see that.

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You know, in school it's all about getting that A plus A,

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getting that 100%.

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But in the real world, it's a lot messier.

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Totally.

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And that fear of failure that's baked into perfectionism,

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that can actually hinder risk taking,

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which is essential for growth and innovation.

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I think he talks about that in the context

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of like his diving, right?

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Yeah.

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So he was this competitive diver obsessed

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with getting those perfect tens.

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Like super high stakes.

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But it wasn't until he shifted his focus

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to more like realistic goals for each dive.

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Like nailing a specific technique, you know,

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that he actually started seeing real improvement.

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So it's like aiming for good enough is actually better.

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Sometimes, yeah.

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Like it's more effective.

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Wow.

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And speaking of unexpected paths to success.

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All right, hit me.

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Let's talk about procrastination.

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Grant's research on this is, well, it's mind blowing.

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Procrastination, that's not usually associated with success.

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I know, right.

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But he actually found that a bit of procrastination,

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the right kind, can actually boost creativity.

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Okay, now I'm really intrigued.

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It's all about moderate procrastination.

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And it's most effective when it's driven by like genuine

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interest in what you're doing.

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So you're not just blowing stuff off.

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No, no, it's more like you hit a wall, you step away,

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let your mind wander, maybe do something else.

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And that downtime, it's not wasted.

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I mean, I definitely have experienced that.

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Me too.

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It's like your subconscious is working on the problem

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in the background.

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Making connections you wouldn't have made consciously.

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Be giving your brain permission to play a little bit.

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Totally, you come back to it with fresh eyes

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and boom, those aha moments.

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I like that.

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But there is a catch.

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This procrastination sweet spot, it's most effective

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when it's fueled by intrinsic motivation.

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Meaning you're procrastinating on something

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you genuinely care about.

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Not just like chores or something.

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Right.

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Now this next one might make you rethink

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your web browser choice.

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My web browser, okay, this, I'm gonna hear.

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Grant found a connection between the browser you use

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and your job performance.

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What?

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No way.

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So people who use Chrome or Firefox,

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they tend to outperform and stay in their jobs longer

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than those who use Safari or Internet Explorer.

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So what, Chrome and Firefox users are just better employees?

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It's not about the tech itself.

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It's more about what those browser choices represent.

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Choosing Chrome or Firefox, it often indicates

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a personality type, someone who's proactive.

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Proactive, yeah.

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Willing to question defaults.

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I see, yeah.

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Explore different options.

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So it's like they're not just passively going along.

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That kind of initiative can make all the difference

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in terms of job performance.

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That's fascinating.

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And career longevity.

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Okay, let's switch gears a bit,

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talk about team dynamics.

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All right, love this stuff.

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Grant uses Cristiana Ronaldo joining different teams

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to make a point about superstars and team success.

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Okay, yeah.

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It challenges the idea that just adding a superstar

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guarantees wins.

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Interesting.

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I would have thought Ronaldo makes any team better.

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Well, there was a study in the NBA found that teams

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with more, what he calls selfish players.

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Selfish, okay.

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You know, focused on individual glory,

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not the team's success.

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Those teams actually tend to underperform.

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Wow, really.

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And get this, some of the teams Ronaldo has joined

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actually performed worse statistically

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after he came on board.

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That is wild.

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It really highlights how individual brilliance

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doesn't always mean collective success.

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It all ties back to his

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giver versus taker framework.

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I've heard of that.

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Teams that thrive.

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Everyone's focused on helping each other succeed,

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not just themselves.

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Collaboration over competition.

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So that brings us to his concept of the challenge network.

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Challenge network, okay.

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Having people who give you honest,

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sometimes tough feedback is crucial for growth.

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Yeah, I mean, it's easy to just surround yourself

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with yes men.

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But you need those trusted critics

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who can spot your blind spots and push you to be better.

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It's true.

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Those are the people who help you grow.

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That's like a personal board of advisors.

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I like that analogy.

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Invested in your success, but willing to call you out.

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Think about it.

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Who plays that role for you?

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And are you nurturing those relationships?

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That's a good question.

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Because building a strong challenge network,

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it's an ongoing process.

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You gotta find those people.

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Who are insightful, caring enough

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to give constructive criticism.

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And be open to what they're saying.

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Exactly.

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Ready to challenge some more conventional wisdom?

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Always.

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What's next?

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Brainstorming.

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Brainstorming.

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What about it?

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You'd think a bunch of smart people in a room

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equals great ideas, right?

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Yeah, that's kind of the whole point.

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Well, Grant's research says,

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individual idea generation often outperforms

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Really?

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It seems counterintuitive.

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It does, but.

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But brainstorming can have all these pitfalls.

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Like what?

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Production blocking, only one person talking at a time.

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Okay, yeah.

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Ego threat, holding back ideas for fear of judgment.

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Oh yeah, I definitely felt that.

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And conformity pressure, the hippo effect.

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Hippo effect.

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Everyone aligns with the highest paid person's opinion.

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Oh yeah, I've seen that happen so many times.

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And it's a lot of people who are not

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willing to take advantage of the idea.

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So what's the solution?

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Grant suggests brainwriting.

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Brainwriting.

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Everyone writes ideas down individually before sharing.

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Oh, interesting.

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Levels the playing field, gives everyone a voice.

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Makes sense.

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So you get all the ideas out there.

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Valuing each perspective, letting those ideas flourish.

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Because the best ideas come from the most unexpected places.

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Precisely, I love that.

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You know, it's fascinating how we often

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find our minds are better when it comes to generating ideas.

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But sometimes, that's just not the case.

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It's like we need that solitude to tap

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into our own unique perspectives.

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To come up with those truly original ideas.

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But teamwork is still crucial.

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Of course.

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It's about finding that balance.

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Knowing when to collaborate, when to step back,

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and let those individual sparks ignite.

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Makes sense.

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Like, it's all about context.

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And when we do collaborate, it's

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super important to be mindful of who we're

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bringing into the mix.

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Oh, I see what you're getting at.

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Grant talks about this thing called the babble effect.

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Babble effect.

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The tendency to overvalue people who dominate conversations.

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Mistaking their confidence for competence.

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I know those people.

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We're drawn to the loudest voice,

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even if they're not saying the most insightful things.

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It's so true.

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Like, we think they must be smart because they're loud.

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And that can be a real pitfall when choosing leaders.

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Oh, big time.

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We might pick leaders based on how well they command attention.

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Not on their ability to inspire, motivate,

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or foster collaboration.

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Like, the quieter people can get over luck.

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True leadership isn't about being the loudest voice.

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It's about creating space for diverse perspectives.

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Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

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And it makes me think about how Grant emphasizes generosity

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and humility in leaders.

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Oh, yeah.

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Those are huge.

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It might seem like soft skills.

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They are so powerful.

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Absolutely.

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Generous leaders, they prioritize the mission

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over their own egos.

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They want to empower and elevate those around them.

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Create a culture where everyone feels valued and supported.

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that you don't have all the answers.

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You're open to learning from everyone on your team.

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You're able to admit when you're wrong.

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It's like fostering a culture of continuous learning.

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Where everyone feels like they have something to contribute.

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That sounds like an awesome place to work.

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Doesn't it?

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OK, now let's dive into company culture more broadly.

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Grant has this idea of commitment cultures.

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Commitment cultures.

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Sounds positive, right?

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But there's nuance here, as always.

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He challenges the idea that building a team solely on star

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talent is the best approach.

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OK.

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Commitment cultures.

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There's a strong alignment around values,

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a shared sense of purpose.

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OK.

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Those tend to outperform star cultures in the long run.

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Interesting.

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Think about it.

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Everyone is deeply invested in the company's mission.

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Yeah.

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There's a stronger foundation for collaboration, innovation,

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resilience.

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Yeah, I can see that.

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You mentioned there are potential downsides

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to these commitment cultures, too, right?

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Oh, yeah, yeah.

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There's always a flip side.

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So what are they?

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Well, the risk is that they can become like too homogenous.

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Homogenous, OK.

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If everyone's so focused on fitting in,

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adhering to the same values, it can stifle diversity of thought.

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Oh, I see.

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And that could be detrimental to innovation,

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long-term success.

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It's like if everyone's the same.

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You're not going to get those new ideas.

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Right.

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So it's about finding that sweet spot, strong shared core,

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but also space for different backgrounds.

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Experiences?

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What are you thinking?

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Exactly.

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It's like that saying, if you're the smartest person

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in the room, you're in the wrong room.

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Aha, I love that one.

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You need that diversity to challenge assumptions.

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And to push you outside the box.

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And speaking of being in the right room,

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Grant's research on team dynamics

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highlights how crucial it is to be surrounded

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by the right people.

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Makes sense.

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He shares this study of Wall Street analysts.

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Wall Street analysts, OK.

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Even top performers, when they switched firms,

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their performance declined significantly.

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It took them, on average, five years

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to get back to their star status.

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Wow, five years.

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Unless they brought their team with them.

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So it's not just about individual talent.

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It's about those relationships, shared experiences.

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That synergy.

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Yes.

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We underestimate how much we rely on those around us

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to do our best work.

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That's interesting.

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It makes me think about my own team.

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It's not just about individual talent or skill.

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It's about how you work together.

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Totally.

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And this ties back to that tension we discussed.

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The familiarity and novelty thing.

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Yes.

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It's not about sticking with the same people forever.

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You need fresh perspectives to keep things interesting.

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To prevent stagnation.

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Right, right.

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It reminded me of the story Grant shared about Pixar,

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hiring Brad Bird to direct The Incredibles.

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Oh, yeah, I love that movie.

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Pixar was already successful.

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They recognized they needed to shake things up.

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To avoid complacency.

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Exactly.

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So they brought in Bird, known for his strong vision.

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Willing to challenge the status quo.

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And the result.

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One of Pixar's most beloved and innovative films.

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Wow, that's a great example.

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It's a testament to embracing those disagreeable givers,

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as Grant calls them.

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Disagreeable givers.

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Individuals who are passionate, talented,

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but also willing to push boundaries.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Challenge conventional thinking.

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They ruffle some feathers.

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Sometimes the most valuable feedback comes from them.

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Makes you think about how you approach feedback.

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It takes courage to seek that out.

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To hear things that might be difficult.

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Grant even suggests this, well, counterintuitive strategy.

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What's that?

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Criticizing yourself out loud.

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Criticizing yourself out loud.

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It's disarming.

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You're basically saying, hey, I'm not perfect.

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I want to do better.

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Exactly.

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It sets the tone for openness and honesty.

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Feedback becomes a gift, not a threat.

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And it creates psychological safety

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for others to offer their opinions.

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Wow, that's really smart.

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It's about modeling the behavior you want to see.

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Lead by example.

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And this ties into his broader message

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about the scientist mindset.

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Scientist mindset, OK.

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Break that down for me.

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Approach work and life with curiosity and experimentation.

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Instead of clinging to beliefs as absolute truth.

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Yeah.

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View them as hypotheses to be tested.

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Tested and refined.

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Exactly.

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Be open to being wrong.

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That's hard sometimes.

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It is.

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But it allows us to be more adaptable.

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Open to new information.

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Willing to change our minds.

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It's about detaching our egos.

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Embracing the pursuit of knowledge and growth.

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I like that.

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Always be learning.

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And this is where his distinction between values

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and beliefs comes in.

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Values and beliefs.

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We often confuse them.

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I can see that.

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Leads to conflict, resistance to change.

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So what's the difference?

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Help me out here.

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Values are guiding principles.

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What's truly important.

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Those are stable, enduring beliefs.

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Our interpretations of the world.

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Those can and should evolve.

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So values are like our foundation.

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And beliefs are more flexible.

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Yeah.

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That makes sense.

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So it's OK to change our mind.

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To adjust our beliefs based on new evidence.

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Without compromising our core values.

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You can learn and grow while still being true

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to yourself.

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Exactly.

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It's a sign of intellectual honesty.

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A commitment to growth.

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Being open to learning from others,

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even those with different viewpoints.

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That's so important.

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We don't have a monopoly on truth.

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Diverse perspectives enrich our understanding.

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It's like that quote, strong opinions, loosely held.

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Oh, I love that one.

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Stand up for what you believe in.

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But be willing to let go when presented with evidence

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to the contrary.

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It's about being open to the possibility

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that you might be wrong.

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Which is hard.

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But so important for growth.

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I agree.

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It makes me think about what Grant says

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about preacher, prosecutor, and politician

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modes of communication.

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Oh, yeah.

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Those are great metaphors.

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It's so easy to slip into those unproductive styles.

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Shut down dialogue, stifle learning.

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I know I've been guilty of it.

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Me too.

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Especially when I'm passionate about something.

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But the scientist mindset is so much more effective.

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Be curious, open-minded, willing to test assumptions.

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So disagreements become opportunities for learning.

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Not battles to be won.

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It's about asking questions.

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Listening actively.

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Seeking to understand different perspectives.

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Even if we don't agree.

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It's hard.

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But it's how we grow.

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It's about recognizing that we all have blind spots.

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And that we can benefit from the insights of others.

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Creating a space for genuine dialogue.

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Where everyone feels safe to share their thoughts.

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Even if they're unconventional.

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But it's about embracing that messy process of learning and growth.

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And recognizing that we're all works in progress.

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It's a journey, not a destination.

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And sometimes the greatest growth comes from embracing those challenges.

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Stepping outside our comfort zones.

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Taking those leaps of faith that might feel scary.

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That could be tough.

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But it can also be exhilarating.

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And it often leads to the most rewarding experiences.

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Which brings us to one of Grant's most powerful messages.

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Hit me with it.

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The biggest regrets often stem not from our failures.

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From our failures to try.

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Ooh, that's a good one.

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It's those paths not taken.

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Those risks not embraced that tend to haunt us.

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Like the what ifs.

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Exactly.

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So if there's something you've been hesitant to pursue.

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A leap you've been afraid to take.

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Maybe Grant's wisdom can be that little nudge you need.

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To get off that diving board.

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To see where the journey takes you.

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I like that.

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It's all about the journey.

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Remember, potential is not fixed.

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It's something we cultivate.

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Through effort, resilience, a willingness to embrace discomfort.

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To embrace the unknown.

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And on that note of embracing discomfort.

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Let's take a moment to reflect on what we've learned so far.

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Before we dive into the final part of our exploration of Adam Grant's wisdom.

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Sounds good to me.

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This is going to be good.

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I can't wait.

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Me neither.

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We've covered a lot of ground, haven't we?

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We have.

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And there's still more to come.

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It's amazing how much insight is packed into one interview, you know.

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Adam Grant is just, he's a wealth of knowledge.

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So where do we go from here?

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Well, I was thinking we could shift gears a bit and talk about advice seeking.

520
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Advice seeking, okay.

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It can be a real game changer when it comes to unlocking potential.

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I'm all ears.

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Grant makes this crucial distinction between asking for feedback and asking for advice.

524
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Interesting.

525
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I haven't thought about that before.

526
00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:44,360
Yeah.

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It's a subtle shift in how we frame our requests.

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That it can make a big difference, huh?

529
00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:49,320
Yeah.

530
00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:53,160
So feedback, it tends to focus on the past, right?

531
00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:54,160
Yeah.

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Like what went well, what didn't.

533
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Identifying areas for improvement.

534
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Okay.

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That makes sense.

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But advice is future oriented.

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So it's about getting guidance for the future.

538
00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:04,600
Exactly.

539
00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:09,400
It's about seeking perspectives on how to navigate challenges, make better decisions.

540
00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:10,400
I like that.

541
00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:11,400
It's more proactive.

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Instead of what did I do wrong, it's what could I do better next time?

543
00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:16,720
That's a much more empowering way to think about it.

544
00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:21,440
It's about proactively seeking wisdom, insights to help us grow.

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It's like taking control of your own development.

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And Grant shares this anecdote about how he transformed his harshest critics into valuable

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coaches.

548
00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:31,400
Okay.

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How do you do that?

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By changing how he approached them.

551
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Oh.

552
00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:39,720
Instead of asking for feedback on his teaching, he started asking for advice on how to improve.

553
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Wow.

554
00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:42,000
That's such a simple shift.

555
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But it made all the difference.

556
00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,040
It's like you're acknowledging their expertise.

557
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Yeah, and inviting them to be part of your growth journey.

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It turns a potentially negative interaction into a positive one.

559
00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:56,680
It's a powerful reminder that even our toughest critics can offer valuable insights.

560
00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,280
If we approach them with the right mindset.

561
00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:03,360
Humility, curiosity, a genuine desire to learn.

562
00:18:03,360 --> 00:18:04,440
That's key, isn't it?

563
00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,800
Being open to learning from anyone.

564
00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,320
And I think it also speaks to the power of relationships.

565
00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:10,880
Oh yeah, for sure.

566
00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:11,880
Advice seeking.

567
00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:12,960
It's not just a transaction.

568
00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:14,720
It's about building connections.

569
00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,520
Building a network of people invested in our success.

570
00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,040
It's like we're all in this together.

571
00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,800
And that brings us back to one of Grant's core messages.

572
00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:23,800
Which is?

573
00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,560
We all have hidden potential waiting to be unlocked.

574
00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:28,040
I love that idea.

575
00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:29,040
It's so hopeful.

576
00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:32,080
It's not about being born a prodigy, having some innate talent.

577
00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:36,720
It's about cultivating those qualities, the curiosity, the effort, the resilience.

578
00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,320
And a willingness to step outside our comfort zones.

579
00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,240
To push ourselves beyond what we think we're capable of.

580
00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:46,000
And it's about having that supportive scaffolding system.

581
00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:47,000
Shaffolding, okay.

582
00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:52,160
Those mentors, coaches, peers, even those challenging critics who believe in our potential

583
00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:54,400
and help us reach for more.

584
00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,760
It's about having people who push you to be your best.

585
00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:59,240
And what about imposter syndrome?

586
00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,160
Oh man, don't even get me started.

587
00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,120
It can be so paralyzing.

588
00:19:03,120 --> 00:19:04,280
For real.

589
00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,600
It's like this constant feeling of not being good enough.

590
00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,560
Grant actually offers a really interesting perspective on that.

591
00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:11,560
I'm curious to hear it.

592
00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:17,480
Instead of seeing those imposter thoughts as proof of inadequacy, he suggests we reframe

593
00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:18,480
them.

594
00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:19,480
Reframed them how?

595
00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,480
They can actually be a source of motivation.

596
00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:22,480
Wait, really?

597
00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:26,360
Driving us to work harder, strive for excellence.

598
00:19:26,360 --> 00:19:29,880
So it's like turning that negative energy into something positive.

599
00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:30,880
Exactly.

600
00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,280
Use it as fuel to propel us forward.

601
00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,560
To prove ourselves wrong in a way.

602
00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:36,560
Exactly.

603
00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,760
Imposter thoughts are often a natural part of the growth process.

604
00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:41,520
Like a sign that you're pushing yourself.

605
00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,400
Pushing for something truly meaningful.

606
00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:47,480
So if you're grappling with imposter syndrome, it might actually be a good thing.

607
00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,520
A sign that you're on the right track.

608
00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:51,080
Striving for something greater.

609
00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:52,080
Embrace those doubts.

610
00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:53,080
Keep learning.

611
00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:54,080
Keep pushing.

612
00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,840
And keep striving to become the best version of yourself.

613
00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,560
And remember, you don't have to do it alone.

614
00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:00,840
Seek out advice.

615
00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:02,400
Build your challenge network.

616
00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,160
Never stop exploring your potential.

617
00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,720
It's been an amazing journey unpacking all of this wisdom from Adam Grant.

618
00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:09,920
Yeah, I feel like I've learned so much already.

619
00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:10,920
Me too.

620
00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:15,040
It's just, there's so much here that we can apply to our own lives.

621
00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:18,040
To be more successful, more creative, more fulfilled.

622
00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:21,160
And it's not about achieving perfection or having all the answers.

623
00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,760
It's about embracing that scientist mindset.

624
00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:25,160
Be curious.

625
00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:26,680
Open to new information.

626
00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:27,680
Willing to experiment.

627
00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:31,040
And most importantly, believing in your capacity for growth.

628
00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:32,720
What leap will you take today?

629
00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:36,440
What step will you take toward unleashing your hidden potential?

630
00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:37,680
That's the question, isn't it?

631
00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:42,160
And that, my friends, is what we're going to explore in the final part of our deep dive.

632
00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:43,160
Can't wait.

633
00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:44,720
So, are you ready to jump back in?

634
00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:45,720
I am.

635
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,040
I'm excited to see what else Grant has up his sleeve.

636
00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:49,040
Me too.

637
00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:50,040
Where should we start?

638
00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,920
Well, we've talked a lot about individual growth.

639
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:58,480
About finding that balance between collaboration and, you know, individual brilliance.

640
00:20:58,480 --> 00:20:59,480
Exactly.

641
00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:04,800
But there's this other aspect of success that Grant highlights that I think is so crucial.

642
00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:05,800
Okay.

643
00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:06,800
I'm intrigued.

644
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:07,800
I'm intrigued by luck.

645
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:08,800
Luck.

646
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,160
You know, we often attribute success to talent hard work, you know?

647
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:13,160
Right.

648
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:14,240
Like, those are the key ingredients.

649
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:18,760
But Grant argues that luck plays a much bigger role than we might think.

650
00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:19,760
Hmm.

651
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:20,960
I've never really thought about it that way.

652
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:24,400
It's not just about being in the right place at the right time, though.

653
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:25,400
Is more than that.

654
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,840
It's about being open to those unexpected opportunities.

655
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:29,400
Being able to recognize them.

656
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:30,400
And seize them.

657
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,280
He talks about this concept of planned happenstance.

658
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:34,400
Planned happenstance.

659
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:39,360
It's about actively creating environments where serendipity can flourish.

660
00:21:39,360 --> 00:21:42,320
So it's not just passively waiting for good luck to strike.

661
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:43,320
No.

662
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,640
It's about putting yourself out there, trying new things.

663
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:47,640
Expanding your network.

664
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,920
Saying yes to those unexpected invitations.

665
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:51,720
It's creating those chance encounters.

666
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:52,720
Exactly.

667
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,120
You increase the odds of stumbling upon those lucky breaks.

668
00:21:56,120 --> 00:21:57,120
That makes a lot of sense.

669
00:21:57,120 --> 00:21:59,600
It's like, you gotta be in the game to win.

670
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:00,600
Precisely.

671
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,600
And when those lucky breaks do come along.

672
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:04,080
You gotta be ready to grab them.

673
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:05,080
With both hands.

674
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:10,040
It reminds me of that story Grant tells about how he ended up co-authoring a book with Cheryl

675
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:11,040
Sandberg.

676
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:12,440
Oh yeah, the option B book, right?

677
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:13,440
Yeah.

678
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,440
It all started with this chance encounter at a conference.

679
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,560
So like a classic case of serendipity.

680
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:23,440
They struck up a conversation, realized they had this shared interest in resilience.

681
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:24,960
And the rest is history.

682
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:30,560
It's a great example of how being open to those unexpected connections can lead to amazing

683
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:31,560
opportunities.

684
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:32,560
I love that story.

685
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:33,560
It's inspiring.

686
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:37,080
It sounds like Grant is saying we should embrace the unexpected.

687
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:38,680
Be open to detours.

688
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,680
Be willing to pivot when things don't go according to plan.

689
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:46,800
Because those unexpected twists and turns can often lead to the most rewarding destinations.

690
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,920
It's like trusting the journey.

691
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:53,880
In recognizing that failure is not the opposite of success, it's part of the process.

692
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:55,520
Yeah, it's a learning opportunity.

693
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:59,280
A chance to course correct, to gain valuable experience.

694
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:00,720
And come back stronger.

695
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,480
And this brings to mind Grant's insights about the importance of originality.

696
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:05,480
Originality.

697
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,240
You know, in a world that's increasingly focused on conformity.

698
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:10,680
On following the rules.

699
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,040
It's easy to lose sight of what makes us unique.

700
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,360
Yeah, it can be hard to stand out.

701
00:23:15,360 --> 00:23:19,680
Grant challenges us to embrace our quirks, our unconventional ideas.

702
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,960
To be those disagreeable givers we talked about earlier.

703
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:22,960
Exactly.

704
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:27,240
He argues that those who dare to be different are the ones who drive innovation.

705
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:28,640
Who challenge the status quo.

706
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,040
Who make a real impact.

707
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:31,040
I love that.

708
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:35,040
It's like being true to yourself is the key to making a difference.

709
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:39,680
It's about finding your voice, sharing your unique perspective with the world.

710
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,480
And not being afraid to stand out.

711
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:42,480
And to wrap things up.

712
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:43,480
Yeah.

713
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,880
I think it's worth revisiting Grant's point about our biggest regrets.

714
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:48,080
The failures to try.

715
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:52,400
It's a powerful reminder that we often regret the things we didn't do.

716
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:53,640
More than the things we did.

717
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,320
The risks we didn't take.

718
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,480
The opportunities we let slip away.

719
00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,400
The chances we didn't seize.

720
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,120
So what's that one thing you've been putting off?

721
00:24:02,120 --> 00:24:03,320
Good question.

722
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,040
That dream you've been hesitant to pursue.

723
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,160
That conversation you've been avoiding.

724
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,160
Maybe it's time to take that leap of faith.

725
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,400
To step outside your comfort zone.

726
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:13,920
To embrace the unknown.

727
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,520
Because you never know what amazing adventures might be waiting on the other side.

728
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:18,520
It's true.

729
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,880
It's all about taking that first step.

730
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,960
And who knows, you might just surprise yourself with what you're capable of achieving.

731
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,560
And that's what this deep dive has been all about, right?

732
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,320
Unlocking our potential.

733
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,720
Embracing the power within each of us.

734
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,160
Embracing the journey of growth and learning.

735
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,080
It's been an amazing conversation.

736
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,920
Thank you for joining us on this deep dive into the wisdom of Adam Grant.

737
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,440
And remember, keep learning, keep growing.

738
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,520
Keep pushing the boundaries of what you believe is possible.

739
00:24:46,520 --> 00:25:02,560
Until next time.

