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Hi volleyball fans and welcome back to Volley

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Talk, the podcast created for volleyball lovers

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who want to dig deep into what is going on in

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NCAA and international volleyball. I'm your host

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Sarah Pavan. I'm an Olympian, beach volleyball

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world champion, former Nebraska Cornhusker, and

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longtime pro, both indoor and on the beach. And

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I'm Adam Schultz, former indoor player, international

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volleyball coach, and the show's resident stat

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guy. The past week was week one. of women's VNL,

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and we had a wide range of experience and depth

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show up on the various rosters from these teams,

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okay? I think it's fair to say we had some moments

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where we were very impressed and some moments

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that left us concerned. Confused. Scratching

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our heads. But we are very excited to share our

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thoughts on what we observed from this week of

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play. And it is early. We understand that. But

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we have thoughts anyway. You know that. So as

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I said, we're very excited. So let's get started.

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We've got just a quick little rundown of some

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highlights this week. Something that nobody probably

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expected. Flore Marie Heredia Colon, who left

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Miami for Florida in NCAA Women's Play, of course.

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Can we go an episode without touching on it?

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No. She's heading back to Miami. That's just,

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it's an awkward situation. So awkward. I'm leaving

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probably to look for more money. oh wait or a

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better team because i don't think this team's

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good enough or whatever her reason was we don't

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know and took a few months in florida now nobody

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else wants me so i'm back no kennedy martin pieces

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out the writings on the wall for florida and

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she's like hey can i come back it's yeah well

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they took her so maybe she left on good terms

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but she is heading back she just took a sabbatical

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that's it's okay down the road to gainesville

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It's a tough look for the team coming into the

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dressing room, I think. I think it's going to

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be. Yeah, that's tricky. But I wanted to touch

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on that because it was just kind of different,

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you know? Different than what we usually see.

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We also have a few new signings for Love. There

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were three more added this week. The first one

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is Indre Sorokaite. She is a very experienced

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Italian player. She, gosh, she's got to be close

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to my age at this point. I played against her

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from the beginning of my pro career, which was

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eons ago. So I'm pretty sure her last international

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appearance for Italy was in 2017. But she is

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very experienced. She's played in numerous Champions

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Leagues, Cups, Super Copas, you name it. So Sorokajce

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is heading to love. We've also got Magdalena

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Jurczyk. She's Polish. I like to try my hand

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at the accents, you know, and to get the names

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right, I'm butchering all of them. But she has

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played her entire career, I believe, in Poland.

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played for Poland's national team, was at the

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Paris Olympics. Poland came sixth, so she's heading

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there. And a Bulgarian player named Miroslava

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Paskova also signed. So those are the three new

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additions that are confirmed for Love Season

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2, aside from the ones we touched on last week.

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Since we're talking about everything not VNL,

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one of the questions was, have we heard anything

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about Major League yet? Crickets, everybody.

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Crickets. I can't even keep a straight face because

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they had a lot to say. In January. In January.

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They had a lot to say about all the stuff they

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were going to do and how major it was going to

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be. Time's a ticking. You're going to get this

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league going in six months, apparently. So, no,

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we haven't heard anything. I wonder if it's going

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to happen. I wonder what's going to happen to

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the Omaha Supernovas after all of that bluster,

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too. Because you've got to think that the owners

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of the leagues are not happy with how that all

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goes down. So it'll be interesting to see. Maybe

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forced new ownership. Who knows? I mean, you

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stir up all that in the PVF, you better execute.

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I don't know. Anyway, crickets. We love the drama.

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We love it so much. But no, we haven't heard

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anything about that. See? Wow. snip snap super

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quick just had to hit on you know a couple things

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that happened that crossed my eyeballs that we

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had to share so that is what happened aside from

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women's vnl this week let's get into the vnl

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because there's lots to talk about we are breaking

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this down into a couple sections so let's start

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with the vnl week one recap Japan, Italy, and

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Turkey all went 4 -0 with Japan currently in

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first place because they have a perfect set ratio.

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Yeah, Italy and Turkey won a couple matches in

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five, I believe, or one of them in five. So I

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would say not surprising. I was a little surprised

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at how dominant Japan was. But I expected Italy

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and... Turkey and that group to kind of be up

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there, yeah. I will say Japan, their serving

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just puts teams in so much trouble and their

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ability to keep rallies going was impressive

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to watch. The consistency of their service pressure.

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As we're watching all these games, and to be

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frank, we didn't watch every single game, you

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guys. We didn't watch every single team. So please

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keep this in mind before... You get mad at us

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for something. I mean, but we did watch a lot.

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We watched a bunch, but we didn't hit everybody.

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I think I watched six or seven matches. I think

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you probably watched ten. I don't even know.

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I was addicted to it this week. Yeah, we watched

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a legitimate amount of volleyball this week.

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But, okay, yeah, we didn't see absolutely everything.

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But Japan, you see a lot of these games. And

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you'll see some ebbs and flows with the service

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pressure. Like when teams are feeling it, they

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really go for it. And then you can see the puckers

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start to happen sometimes and they like really

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take the pressure off. Japan does not quit. No

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matter what the situation, they know that they

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need to get teams out of system and keep them

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off the net. So they are relentless in their

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service pressure and they're very consistent.

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Yeah. So those teams top the heap going into

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week two. Poland and Brazil are in. fourth and

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fifth with three wins each fair enough again

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expected yeah Italy beat Brazil handily which

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I wasn't really expecting Brazil was missing

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Gabi but but they had they had a lot of players

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there so Rosa Maria wasn't there yeah so that

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I was a little surprised to see that result but

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I'm not surprised that they did well in pool

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play and then we had Korea and Serbia are at

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the bottom they went Oh, and four. Serbia has

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three points. Korea has one. Serbia almost squeaked

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one out against Canada at the end, but did not.

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And then we have USA, France, Thailand, and Belgium

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all with one win each. They all have three points

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except for the US who has four. So, yeah. We've

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got, of course, this is week one. Things are

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going to change. Things are going to shake up.

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You know, we got solid group, usual suspects,

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kind of what we expect at the top. Korea probably

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expected to be at the bottom. Serbia, I mean,

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we'll get into the roster construction for week

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one soon, but like Serbia probably doesn't intend

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to stay down there. But that is what happened

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this week. That's where the teams currently are

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sitting, heading into their week off. So I think

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a question that I have for you is, which teams

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made a good impression on you and which ones

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did you feel were disappointing? I would say

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for me, when I looked at China's roster, who

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has an average age of 21 and a half on their

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week one roster, they were better than I thought

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they were going to be. China for me... They surprised

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me at how well they played, how much composure

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they had for such a young roster. Yeah, I was

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not sure. And a 16 -year -old setter. Yeah, I

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was not sure what I expected when I saw their

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roster, but it was not that, and they were good.

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Netherlands, for me, was also surprising. They

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have a lot of young players, a lot of... kind

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of 2002, 2003, 2004 in critical positions. And

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we are going to get into the roster breakdowns

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later. We understand that some teams showed up

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with their stars. A lot of teams did developmental,

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but we will touch on that later. So hang tight.

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Yeah, so I think watching them play, I was impressed.

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And then probably Germany, I thought. did better

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than I was expecting. I think they pushed a couple

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teams in pool play, which I thought were probably

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going to be 3 -0 beatings. So I didn't watch

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them play a ton, but the results given at the

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pool they were in, I was surprised. I did watch

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them play against Brazil. They were solid. The

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full team effort, not one player was relied upon

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super heavily. I thought, yeah, very balanced.

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I thought they did a good job. The only team

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that I would kind of add to that is Turkey, simply

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for the fact that they brought a more developmental

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roster. They did have Baladin there. They had

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a few players there, but the meat of their roster

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that we typically see at big tournaments did

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not even show up. They were not there. to see

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the sort of B -line, the B -side, play so solidly,

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I would add them. But I agree. I had Germany,

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Turkey, China on my list. China was playing at

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home, which is helpful, but that does come with

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a lot of pressure at the same time. But with

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a 16 -year -old setter stepping into that role,

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very, very young athletes going head -to -head

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with Poland, with Turkey. There were a couple

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weaker teams in their group, but yeah, they impressed

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me as well. I think, and maybe this is bias,

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but I was disappointed by North America. Those

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are the two teams I had on my list as well, not

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going to lie. Yeah, and in fairness, I thought

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Van Rijk played really well. Pretty much all

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pool play matches. Like, she was very good, but

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the rest of the team kind of is lacking. They

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won a couple matches riding her ability to score

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and serve. Matches that, honestly, they won in

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five, and I don't think it should have been five.

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Yeah. They lost opportunities, for sure, this

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week. Fair. So, you know, credit where credit's

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due, Van Rijk is very good, but... They don't

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have any other pieces there that I thought could

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help carry the team. Nobody else could score

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consistently. And then if I look at who they're

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going to possibly bring in, I'm not sure who

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that is. Alexa Gray's not even on the V &L roster,

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so she's not playing. I kind of felt like that

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was maybe the best roster they could put on the

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floor. Agreed. The only one is they had Jazz

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White as an alternate. Who played against Serbia.

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They called her up in the final match against

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Serbia. But other than that, I'm pretty sure

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they brought the best roster they could. And

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they didn't have very many of the best teams

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in their pool. No. I was expecting more. Bree

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O 'Reilly struggled. I thought their outsides

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struggled to score. I thought Maglio was good

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at times, but their passing wasn't super consistent

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to get her the ball. I thought Thockboom, as

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a young player coming in, did a pretty good job.

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But they're going to need to find more players

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to score points other than Van Rijk. It can't

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be a solo show. I think I knew they were in trouble

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in match one. When they played Bulgaria, which

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Bulgaria, they did better than I expected this

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week, but they had to set Van Rijk almost every

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ball. Like as when I'm like, if they're going

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to rely on her that much against the likes of

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a Bulgaria, this isn't going to be a smooth VNL

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for them. And I understand they're missing a

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huge piece in Alexa Gray, but I think this week

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really showed how big of a piece. They are missing

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with Alexa Gray. And a lot of the starters from

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last season, the last couple of years or back,

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we had Thockboom switch with Jazz White. We had

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Mitrovic come in for Alexa Gray's spot that we've

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typically seen. But I agree. I was very disappointed

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in Brie O 'Reilly. I think her location and her

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consistency was not good. And I was... Her bump

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setting was... Sorry. I was disturbed. Honestly,

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that's the best word I can come up with for her

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bump setting. Unhittable. And she had to bump

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set a lot of balls. But not just her. The team

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in general, their out -of -system setting, not

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okay. The number of free balls that were put

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over or balls that people didn't even jump on

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where you're not even running that far to set

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it. The added system setting, lack of production,

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and Hillary Johnson, for me, you've been a starter

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for years, and where did you go? Where did you

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go? Not producing offensively, ball control was

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lacking. I was not happy watching that. I think

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the last piece I want to talk about for Canada

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was their lack of on -court leadership. Again,

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we're not on the court, but in observing, it

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seemed like a lot of the energy, a lot of the

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pushback was coming from Guidetti on the sideline.

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And there was nobody on the court that really

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looked like they were running things from an

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emotional, motivational perspective. It just

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seemed like a lot of going through the motions

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and nobody was really taking charge. on the court

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and in crunch time it looked like most athletes

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were tentative except for van rijk well she can't

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afford to be tentative i'm sorry and she did

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again she did a good job but it'll be interesting

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to see listening to some of the timeouts guidetti

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is very blunt very kind of in your face with

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his feedback with what's happening i felt his

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feedback was accurate though totally very It

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was right. Totally agree. But there were the

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body language coming out of those timeouts sometimes

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looked like a little shocked or surprised at

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what they were hearing. And, you know, given

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Canada's history with European coaches, it's

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not stellar. I'm curious to see how this goes

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and processes with kind of that. That little

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bit of clash, I would say. Okay, so here's my

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take on that. This might be a hot take, but this

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is from years of observation and experience firsthand.

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My experience is that North American athletes,

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North American volleyball players in general,

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there are obviously exceptions to this. North

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American volleyball players in general do not

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like to be confronted with their inadequacies

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in... a straightforward in your face way. North

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Americans like to be, have it massaged, you know,

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like say it to me, but say it to me in a nice

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way. Being thrown this information in an aggressive

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way, being held accountable in a very blunt way.

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I've seen it so many times. It is not always

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received well. And while I think Guidetti's feedback

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was spot on. Totally accurate. You could almost

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see the players shrinking. He looked at the left

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side and said, you're passing at under 33 % past

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the ball in one of the timeouts. Totally fair

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and accurate. I was watching the game. I'm like,

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100%. Yes. Yes, that's exactly what's happening.

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The world of volleyball, aside from North America,

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is very in your face, blunt. This isn't good

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enough. you are confronted with your shortcomings

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in a very direct way. And yeah, in my experience,

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North Americans struggle with that broadly. So

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that'll be interesting to see how that plays

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out. Like Van Rijk has played in those situations.

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So, I mean, she'll get over it. You've seen her

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perform. No, she did her job. You could not ask

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more from Kira Van Rijk this weekend. Unfortunately,

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it is going to be a very long VNL for her and

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for Canada in general if somebody else can't

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figure out how to score a point. Yeah. So it'll

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be, I'm curious to see because their next pool

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is not going to be easy. No. The U .S. Okay.

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I know what I am disappointed in. What are you

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disappointed in? So I understand that the roster

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is not young, but they're not experienced. I

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think a whole bunch of players played fine. I

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mean, you're up against Italy and Brazil. Who

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brought good rosters? You're not going to win.

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I was expecting to see a little more pushback

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in those matches than I did. Like they got, you

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know, minus one set against Brazil. I think they

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went to overtime, but they got rolled pretty

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good by those teams. Czech Republic, you got

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reverse swept against them. You know, that's

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a team that's in their first VNL. So they have

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even less experience than you do. You know, that's

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a game you probably shouldn't lose, you know,

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and they won their last one, which was good.

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But I think for me, the concern, maybe it's disappointment's

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the wrong word. The concern I have is that I

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didn't see much change from a college level style

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of volleyball. So what I mean by that was. Their

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offense was pretty slow. Granted, they didn't

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pass amazing for most of the tournament. And,

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you know, you're running high balls outside.

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We're not running a lot of speed. Defensively,

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I didn't see many adjustments. You're packed

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into the court, you know, defending the middle

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of the court similar to a college -style game

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where, you know, in my opinion, you need to be

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back a little bit more. The defensive systems

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and setups didn't seem to be adjusting. with

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the style of play or the opponents that you were

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playing. It just, I understand that they're there

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to learn, but they didn't seem to get better

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or change at all over the course of the tournament.

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And I think that was maybe the most disappointing

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thing for me. I hear what you're saying. I agree

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with what you're saying. I don't think, like,

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this is a different situation for me than the

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Canada discussion we just had. Because Canada...

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A lot of those players who were on the court

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have V &L experience, were making a run at Olympics

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like they have been here before. In this situation,

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I think my disappointment isn't necessarily with

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the athletes, but with the coaching staff. I

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think they were playing a very college style

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of volleyball. Internationally, they swing perimeter.

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You don't see people take rips straight down

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unless there's a huge seam, unless an opportunity

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presents itself. But how as a coaching staff

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are you allowing that type of defensive setup

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to happen? These girls are sucked into the court

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and it's just like internationally that is not

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going to fly. I'm sorry. You need to play perimeter.

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You need to be told that. And you don't have

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the experience to necessarily figure it out yourself

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or know that yourself. But as a coaching staff,

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you need to guide these athletes and get them

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to make those changes. I saw no defensive adjustments,

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block defense. I was watching so many games being

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like, you are getting beaten by ABC. Well, then

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you listen to timeouts and it's just like, all

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right, next point. It was the positive North

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American coaching that we talk about. There was

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no, again, we don't know what goes on behind

00:23:03.420 --> 00:23:05.519
closed doors, but the difference in listening

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to the timeouts of other teams versus the U .S.

00:23:08.099 --> 00:23:09.980
timeouts, there was no technical feedback. There

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was no tactical feedback. It was like, hey, keep

00:23:12.799 --> 00:23:15.619
going. Like we're here. Next one, next one, get

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the next one. And it's like, no, these players

00:23:17.920 --> 00:23:23.599
need to be. guided you need to like help them

00:23:23.599 --> 00:23:25.980
learn by teaching them what they should be doing

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this is what take this away on the block we discussed

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doing this in video it's not working let's pull

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the position one digger back position six let's

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back it up move a little bit to your left adjust

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from there there was zero guidance no adjustment

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discussion nothing and I lay that at the feet

00:23:48.900 --> 00:23:51.960
of the coaching staff because you don't know

00:23:51.960 --> 00:23:54.380
what you don't know as an athlete. I think the

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one thing that they did figure out, which was

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very obvious, is being successful in college

00:24:00.420 --> 00:24:03.619
does not translate internationally. No one cares,

00:24:03.799 --> 00:24:07.299
okay? You can be a great college player. It does

00:24:07.299 --> 00:24:10.400
not translate. I think they learned that. At

00:24:10.400 --> 00:24:11.900
least I hope they learned that because it was

00:24:11.900 --> 00:24:17.619
obvious. But the coaching staff, completely dropped

00:24:17.619 --> 00:24:20.579
the ball for me yeah i i would agree with you

00:24:20.579 --> 00:24:23.180
i was i was disappointed to see the stuff like

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you didn't see them trying different things in

00:24:25.819 --> 00:24:28.500
an attempt to get better to see what they were

00:24:28.500 --> 00:24:30.880
trying to do like we saw sarah franklin hit the

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same shots we've seen her hit in college right

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like well and then finally against czech republic

00:24:36.119 --> 00:24:38.640
they were forcing her to hit line she missed

00:24:38.640 --> 00:24:41.160
the line four or five times in a row and it's

00:24:41.160 --> 00:24:43.750
like These are the adjustments. You are successful.

00:24:43.750 --> 00:24:46.049
You scored in the first two sets against Czech

00:24:46.049 --> 00:24:48.430
Republic, hitting your sharp angle that you really

00:24:48.430 --> 00:24:51.009
like. They changed their defense and made you

00:24:51.009 --> 00:24:54.450
uncomfortable, creating some errors. That is

00:24:54.450 --> 00:24:58.009
what volleyball is. Well, and I think the reverse

00:24:58.009 --> 00:25:02.069
sweep was coaching and tactical changes. 100%.

00:25:02.069 --> 00:25:07.970
And so, you know, we'll see what... comes of

00:25:07.970 --> 00:25:10.390
this week well i'm curious to see what roster

00:25:10.390 --> 00:25:11.910
they bring like they need to start winning some

00:25:11.910 --> 00:25:14.390
games they they have to make the final eight

00:25:14.390 --> 00:25:16.549
because you need that experience for those players

00:25:16.549 --> 00:25:20.470
to play in that environment and i'm curious to

00:25:20.470 --> 00:25:24.609
see what happens what changes they make if they

00:25:24.609 --> 00:25:28.069
come out who adjusts their attacking style because

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here's the other thing for me is the u .s doesn't

00:25:31.349 --> 00:25:34.509
have the players to run a slow offense and beat

00:25:34.509 --> 00:25:37.160
the best teams in the world It's just, it's not

00:25:37.160 --> 00:25:39.140
going to happen. They need to add some speed

00:25:39.140 --> 00:25:41.900
into their game. They need to create some seams

00:25:41.900 --> 00:25:44.019
and some holes for their outside hitters. Like

00:25:44.019 --> 00:25:47.619
Franklin and Skinner, Eggleston are used to being

00:25:47.619 --> 00:25:52.700
physical enough to score points by being more

00:25:52.700 --> 00:25:56.940
physical and hitting hard. That is not going

00:25:56.940 --> 00:25:58.539
to, you're going to need more tools than that.

00:25:58.619 --> 00:26:01.839
And so I'm curious to see how they put them in

00:26:01.839 --> 00:26:04.359
positions to learn that. Does Franklin add that

00:26:04.359 --> 00:26:07.910
line shot? How Skinner made some great tips against

00:26:07.910 --> 00:26:09.809
a smaller block, but that's not going to work

00:26:09.809 --> 00:26:11.569
against a bigger block. To be fair, she didn't

00:26:11.569 --> 00:26:15.069
really get a chance. They sat her a lot until

00:26:15.069 --> 00:26:18.210
Korea in the matchup. Maddie Skinner against

00:26:18.210 --> 00:26:24.569
Korean block. Good night. To me, it's how are

00:26:24.569 --> 00:26:26.950
you going to change? How are they going to help

00:26:26.950 --> 00:26:31.049
these young players develop more skills, more

00:26:31.049 --> 00:26:35.130
shots, more ability to get out of trouble? Who's

00:26:35.130 --> 00:26:40.710
going to pass? I'm sorry, but with this particular

00:26:40.710 --> 00:26:44.490
roster, you could not have Eggleston and Skinner

00:26:44.490 --> 00:26:47.470
on the court at the same time. You couldn't.

00:26:47.970 --> 00:26:53.130
They were both really struggling passing. Yeah,

00:26:53.190 --> 00:26:55.410
so while everybody's probably up in arms that

00:26:55.410 --> 00:26:57.569
Maddie Skinner didn't play, she started against

00:26:57.569 --> 00:27:00.609
Italy, did not do well. Eggleston came in and

00:27:00.609 --> 00:27:02.289
did a little bit better, which made sense why

00:27:02.289 --> 00:27:06.140
they stuck with her. have them both on the court

00:27:06.140 --> 00:27:09.180
at the same time as left sides yeah yeah and

00:27:09.180 --> 00:27:12.099
i think a couple players it was very obvious

00:27:12.099 --> 00:27:15.940
they were out of their depth uh the most experienced

00:27:15.940 --> 00:27:18.819
player in morgan hence like honestly if i had

00:27:18.819 --> 00:27:22.599
to pick a player that i wanted more from it was

00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:25.440
her just from a leadership perspective yeah i

00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:28.220
think leadership was also lacking not only on

00:27:28.220 --> 00:27:30.559
the bench from the coaches but on the court from

00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:34.220
the athletes as well She was deferring and looking

00:27:34.220 --> 00:27:37.339
to her teammates to get a tip to go set a ball.

00:27:37.460 --> 00:27:39.920
And it's like, no, as the libero internationally,

00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:44.480
at any level, you need to take charge of what's

00:27:44.480 --> 00:27:48.059
going on. But the number of balls she was deferring

00:27:48.059 --> 00:27:51.140
to for passing, et cetera, her out -of -system

00:27:51.140 --> 00:27:57.180
setting was unhittable. Unhittable. I wanted

00:27:57.180 --> 00:28:02.630
more from her. I thought she passed fine. well

00:28:02.630 --> 00:28:05.210
when she decided to take it exactly she just

00:28:05.210 --> 00:28:06.990
kept looking at other people like you can't do

00:28:06.990 --> 00:28:10.470
that so i think from an execution standpoint

00:28:10.470 --> 00:28:13.650
it's there from a decision making and leadership

00:28:13.650 --> 00:28:16.829
and telling people she needs to run the defense

00:28:16.829 --> 00:28:20.970
so i she performed when when she performed she

00:28:20.970 --> 00:28:23.670
performed better than i was expecting but it

00:28:23.670 --> 00:28:26.690
needs to be was not okay passing passing and

00:28:26.690 --> 00:28:29.980
digging and And she just needs to get comfortable

00:28:29.980 --> 00:28:32.599
in that role and realize, like, I have the most

00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:34.539
experience here. I need to be directing traffic.

00:28:34.779 --> 00:28:37.740
I need to be taking more seams. She needed to

00:28:37.740 --> 00:28:40.680
insert herself into the fabric of the team a

00:28:40.680 --> 00:28:43.680
little bit more. I thought Lednicki was fine.

00:28:43.960 --> 00:28:48.200
I thought Lednicki and Babcock were fine. Lednicki's

00:28:48.200 --> 00:28:50.880
not the answer long term, I don't think. I was

00:28:50.880 --> 00:28:54.619
the most kind of impressed with how Babcock handled

00:28:54.619 --> 00:28:57.279
herself. I think on the right side of the court.

00:28:59.500 --> 00:29:04.579
They were trying. They were scoring points. I

00:29:04.579 --> 00:29:07.200
think the blocking lineup, particularly for Logan,

00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:14.779
was not good. And I think Amber IG'd against

00:29:14.779 --> 00:29:18.720
the top teams. They didn't serve well enough

00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:20.720
against the top teams. They had five options

00:29:20.720 --> 00:29:21.880
all the time. They weren't going to do anything.

00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:24.819
But I think against the Czech Republic and Korea,

00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:28.369
I think IG'd. solidified herself she was she

00:29:28.369 --> 00:29:33.430
was solid yeah I just my disappointment for the

00:29:33.430 --> 00:29:37.650
Americans was to see them a play a college style

00:29:37.650 --> 00:29:43.569
of volleyball and be the coaching staff so Adam

00:29:43.569 --> 00:29:46.130
kind of started touching on this earlier but

00:29:46.130 --> 00:29:51.069
as we mentioned there were a lot of young rosters

00:29:51.069 --> 00:29:54.289
young athletes that were playing in week one

00:29:54.289 --> 00:30:02.029
so That being said, which young players made

00:30:02.029 --> 00:30:06.410
the biggest impression on you? Okay, so I'm going

00:30:06.410 --> 00:30:10.329
to miss somebody for sure. But what I did was

00:30:10.329 --> 00:30:13.170
I went through and I looked at a lot of the athletes

00:30:13.170 --> 00:30:17.089
who were born 2004, 2005. Those were kind of

00:30:17.089 --> 00:30:20.170
elsewhere in the world because the North American

00:30:20.170 --> 00:30:22.289
athletes are in general kind of a little bit...

00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:25.220
because they go to college from an experience

00:30:25.220 --> 00:30:27.599
standpoint. But I was curious because we talk

00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:29.779
a lot about, hey, the U .S. is sending an inexperienced

00:30:29.779 --> 00:30:32.700
roster. And I wanted to look at, you know, how

00:30:32.700 --> 00:30:34.299
do the young players coming up in some of these

00:30:34.299 --> 00:30:37.920
other countries kind of line up with the talent

00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:40.240
coming out of the U .S.? Because let's not make

00:30:40.240 --> 00:30:42.640
any mistake. The U .S. athletes are not young.

00:30:43.799 --> 00:30:46.680
They're inexperienced. Correct. Like there are

00:30:46.680 --> 00:30:50.220
some legitimate young athletes playing. So like,

00:30:50.279 --> 00:30:54.200
for example. The opposite from Bulgaria, and

00:30:54.200 --> 00:30:58.420
I'm way worse with names than Sarah is, but Stoyanova,

00:30:58.539 --> 00:31:04.920
she is a 2005 opposite, and I thought she was

00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:08.440
fantastic. She carried the load for her team.

00:31:09.059 --> 00:31:14.079
She was fearless. She hit angles. She was attacking

00:31:14.079 --> 00:31:17.680
front row, back row, blocked well, served well.

00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:21.630
I was really impressed by her. There was, I would

00:31:21.630 --> 00:31:27.170
say, a trio of young Dutch players who, some

00:31:27.170 --> 00:31:29.529
of these were a little bit older, that I thought

00:31:29.529 --> 00:31:33.849
were good in a combination of D 'Ambri, Vos,

00:31:33.849 --> 00:31:37.809
and Kok. Again, 2002, 2003, 2004. I thought that

00:31:37.809 --> 00:31:40.490
was a really good trio who played well for the

00:31:40.490 --> 00:31:44.009
Netherlands. And then, specifically from Serbia,

00:31:44.309 --> 00:31:47.349
Kurticic in the middle was, I thought she played.

00:31:47.349 --> 00:31:49.259
Who we've talked about plays for... Played for

00:31:49.259 --> 00:31:51.559
Milano last season. Yeah, and that's the thing

00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:53.180
where it gets a little interesting because she's

00:31:53.180 --> 00:31:55.099
a 2004 who's playing on one of the best teams

00:31:55.099 --> 00:31:59.599
in the world already. You just can't compare

00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:05.920
her to, let's say, a Lednicki or somebody just

00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:09.640
coming out of college. It's just they're playing

00:32:09.640 --> 00:32:12.119
almost two different sports at this point. Well,

00:32:12.140 --> 00:32:14.559
let's make no mistake. Ana Cristina from Brazil

00:32:14.559 --> 00:32:20.039
is 21. Yeah. You look at the Chinese setter,

00:32:20.099 --> 00:32:23.859
and then you compare her to the options that

00:32:23.859 --> 00:32:26.819
you're bringing in college -wise from the U .S.

00:32:26.900 --> 00:32:32.460
So in looking at that, I was kind of shocked

00:32:32.460 --> 00:32:36.500
to find out how young some of these star players

00:32:36.500 --> 00:32:40.299
are on some of these teams. And it kind of put

00:32:40.299 --> 00:32:42.829
into perspective for me. Like when we're talking

00:32:42.829 --> 00:32:45.289
about a Maddie Skinner, when we're talking about

00:32:45.289 --> 00:32:48.589
a Sarah Franklin, when we're talking about, you

00:32:48.589 --> 00:32:51.910
know, a Babcock. Like Babcock's physical, she

00:32:51.910 --> 00:32:53.589
does well, but how does she compare to some of

00:32:53.589 --> 00:32:55.950
those other players? Like if these players, if

00:32:55.950 --> 00:32:58.109
these young international players came and played

00:32:58.109 --> 00:33:02.869
NCAA. No, it would be. The landscape would be

00:33:02.869 --> 00:33:05.650
completely different. Like it's not even close.

00:33:06.390 --> 00:33:10.569
So, you know, we talk about these. young American

00:33:10.569 --> 00:33:13.029
athletes needing to develop and getting a chance.

00:33:13.230 --> 00:33:15.650
Those are the athletes they're chasing from a

00:33:15.650 --> 00:33:19.490
performance standpoint. So it's going to be really

00:33:19.490 --> 00:33:23.910
interesting to kind of see, A, how the next couple

00:33:23.910 --> 00:33:26.730
weeks go, who stays on the roster, and then B,

00:33:26.910 --> 00:33:29.170
if any of these young players make world rosters

00:33:29.170 --> 00:33:32.289
and how they perform. The U .S. is banking on

00:33:32.289 --> 00:33:36.250
these young players to develop faster than everybody

00:33:36.250 --> 00:33:41.279
else's internationally. And it will be very curious

00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:45.519
to see how they go about doing that. After watching

00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:49.019
this, my thought was anybody who you need or

00:33:49.019 --> 00:33:51.359
who you think might have a chance for 2028, you

00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:54.259
need to find them contracts in Europe on the

00:33:54.259 --> 00:33:57.119
best teams. They need to be playing against these

00:33:57.119 --> 00:33:59.380
other athletes. Okay, so other than those ones

00:33:59.380 --> 00:34:01.440
you mentioned, who are your other favorite youngies?

00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:06.279
I mean, Anna Christina. Anna Christina's okay.

00:34:08.809 --> 00:34:12.130
And then Karatsu from Turkey. I thought she played

00:34:12.130 --> 00:34:17.550
well. She's a 2003. What? Yeah. That's, that's

00:34:17.550 --> 00:34:19.610
what I'm saying. Like some of these players are,

00:34:19.690 --> 00:34:24.369
are very good. Like starting big point getters.

00:34:25.130 --> 00:34:28.610
It's, it's impressive to see. So Canada had a

00:34:28.610 --> 00:34:33.010
couple of really young ones. Yeah. So, uh, Gerson.

00:34:33.550 --> 00:34:37.690
Okay. Goosen. Goosen. 2005. Got some playing

00:34:37.690 --> 00:34:40.769
time. I thought she was okay. She didn't look.

00:34:40.769 --> 00:34:43.929
She was green. Yeah. But there was potential

00:34:43.929 --> 00:34:46.349
there. I thought Thockboom did pretty well. DeLibero

00:34:46.349 --> 00:34:48.590
for Canada Watson. I thought she passed well.

00:34:49.289 --> 00:34:51.889
Defensively, she got blown up. The speed of the

00:34:51.889 --> 00:34:53.630
ball was a little faster than she was used to.

00:34:54.329 --> 00:34:57.329
Like I said, I thought Babcock kind of showed

00:34:57.329 --> 00:35:00.230
the most potential on the U .S. She is the youngest

00:35:00.230 --> 00:35:02.150
one, right? And she is the youngest one. What

00:35:02.150 --> 00:35:07.000
is she, 20? She's a 2005. Okay. So I would put

00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:08.900
her, like if I was looking at kind of the top

00:35:08.900 --> 00:35:11.360
prospects coming out there, I liked how she attacked

00:35:11.360 --> 00:35:14.440
the ball. I thought physically she was kind of

00:35:14.440 --> 00:35:17.960
in her element with some of those other opposites.

00:35:19.179 --> 00:35:22.400
Decision -making on a couple plays was maybe

00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:24.239
not as clean as some of the other ones who have

00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:26.119
played internationally, but that's to be expected.

00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:29.420
I was, out of everybody I watched on the U .S.,

00:35:29.420 --> 00:35:31.480
I was most impressed when she got a chance to

00:35:31.480 --> 00:35:34.280
play. Well, and the Czech right side was young

00:35:34.280 --> 00:35:39.699
too. Correct. Yeah, the Czech girl was very good.

00:35:40.139 --> 00:35:44.760
So, yeah, there were a lot of 19-, 20 -year -olds

00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:50.320
that made a huge impact on their teams. I will

00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:54.300
be curious to see if they bring those players

00:35:54.300 --> 00:35:59.630
along to be subs for their staple stars. just

00:35:59.630 --> 00:36:02.730
to continue to get them experience. Or if they're

00:36:02.730 --> 00:36:04.570
like, this is your chance, let's see what you

00:36:04.570 --> 00:36:06.670
can do, and then we're going to send you back

00:36:06.670 --> 00:36:11.610
to U23 or whatever, or U21 for the summer. Well,

00:36:11.630 --> 00:36:12.789
and it's interesting because a lot of the young

00:36:12.789 --> 00:36:14.769
players coming in who were scoring lots of points

00:36:14.769 --> 00:36:17.690
were opposites. So it's a really good comparison

00:36:17.690 --> 00:36:22.530
of what the U .S. is looking for and what some

00:36:22.530 --> 00:36:25.949
of her peers are doing. Okay, so as we mentioned,

00:36:26.050 --> 00:36:29.969
we were kind of all over the place. We saw some

00:36:29.969 --> 00:36:33.250
teams bring their best athletes. We saw some

00:36:33.250 --> 00:36:36.449
bring more developmental rosters. So we just

00:36:36.449 --> 00:36:40.289
kind of wanted to give a little bit of a breakdown

00:36:40.289 --> 00:36:44.690
of the roster experience we saw throughout the

00:36:44.690 --> 00:36:47.710
week and maybe some predictions of what will

00:36:47.710 --> 00:36:51.489
happen moving forward. Okay, so I looked at the

00:36:51.489 --> 00:36:55.369
rosters from an average age perspective. perspective

00:36:55.369 --> 00:36:58.429
for people who are actually on the week one roster

00:36:58.429 --> 00:37:04.170
not including alternates okay so who were the

00:37:04.170 --> 00:37:06.909
old rosters or who were the rosters who brought

00:37:06.909 --> 00:37:12.750
their legit lineup so like thailand technically

00:37:12.750 --> 00:37:17.420
was the oldest team but italy had the second

00:37:17.420 --> 00:37:19.719
oldest roster. They brought all of their guns.

00:37:19.860 --> 00:37:22.900
They were ready to go. Dominican had a legitimate

00:37:22.900 --> 00:37:24.980
team there. They were the third oldest team there.

00:37:25.420 --> 00:37:29.480
Poland brought a legitimate roster at four. The

00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:31.699
Czech Republic actually had a pretty old roster.

00:37:31.780 --> 00:37:34.800
Now they've never competed in VNL. So that was

00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:37.139
probably a scenario where it's like these players

00:37:37.139 --> 00:37:38.800
have been playing in the national team system

00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:41.500
forever, finally break into VNL and they're like,

00:37:41.559 --> 00:37:43.659
okay, we'll stick it out. We want to try. Yeah.

00:37:43.719 --> 00:37:47.329
And then Brazil had a legitimate. older roster

00:37:47.329 --> 00:37:50.429
there they were they were sixth overall um there

00:37:50.429 --> 00:37:53.449
were a whole bunch of teams kind of in the middle

00:37:53.449 --> 00:37:55.510
so those those rosters had an average age of

00:37:55.510 --> 00:37:58.769
like 25 26 there were a whole bunch of teams

00:37:58.769 --> 00:38:01.869
u .s included who were kind of in the 24 year

00:38:01.869 --> 00:38:04.349
old roster so you would have some young players

00:38:04.349 --> 00:38:07.110
some experience there the youngest roster by

00:38:07.110 --> 00:38:09.949
far was china they had an average age of 21 and

00:38:09.949 --> 00:38:15.320
a half at this roster which was wild netherlands

00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:18.519
had an average age of 22 so they were also very

00:38:18.519 --> 00:38:21.400
young france but i think some of those players

00:38:21.400 --> 00:38:26.659
made the run last like i recognize some of the

00:38:26.659 --> 00:38:29.239
dutch players from the last vno so even the young

00:38:29.239 --> 00:38:34.150
players who were like 2004s, 2003s. This is their

00:38:34.150 --> 00:38:36.570
third VNL. Whether they played or not, but they

00:38:36.570 --> 00:38:39.730
kind of have been around, seen how it works.

00:38:39.989 --> 00:38:42.849
As far as an experience perspective, do we know?

00:38:43.849 --> 00:38:46.710
China, I think they brought their like baby babies.

00:38:46.789 --> 00:38:48.730
Yeah, they brought. China, not a ton of experience.

00:38:49.090 --> 00:38:52.789
The U .S., not a ton of experience. Italy, Brazil.

00:38:53.829 --> 00:38:58.969
Dominican. Dominican. Poland was relatively experienced.

00:39:00.059 --> 00:39:02.820
Canada was pretty experienced. Canada was experienced.

00:39:03.159 --> 00:39:05.699
Of kind of the better teams who you would expect

00:39:05.699 --> 00:39:08.469
to do well. What about Japan? I feel like they

00:39:08.469 --> 00:39:11.010
were... Japan was right in the middle, like 24

00:39:11.010 --> 00:39:13.929
and a half. I was actually, I thought Wada was

00:39:13.929 --> 00:39:16.289
an individual athlete who stuck out to me watching

00:39:16.289 --> 00:39:18.989
Japan play. You know, when they play such a defensive

00:39:18.989 --> 00:39:22.510
and serve aggressive game, she scored a lot of

00:39:22.510 --> 00:39:24.989
points for them. She had a fast arm. So fast.

00:39:25.869 --> 00:39:29.449
So she was fun to watch. I enjoyed watching them

00:39:29.449 --> 00:39:32.409
play. So they were kind of in the middle. USA

00:39:32.409 --> 00:39:34.949
was in the middle. You know, Serbia was pretty

00:39:34.949 --> 00:39:38.010
young. Turkey was young but had some experience.

00:39:39.150 --> 00:39:41.429
Not their big, big guns, but they had people

00:39:41.429 --> 00:39:43.630
who had played before. Serbia brought baby babies.

00:39:43.849 --> 00:39:46.570
Yeah. Bulgaria was kind of in the middle as well.

00:39:48.010 --> 00:39:55.349
So China, U .S., Turkey, Serbia brought their

00:39:55.349 --> 00:40:00.929
more inexperienced athletes, whereas Italy, Poland,

00:40:01.070 --> 00:40:05.530
Brazil, Dominican, Canada brought. A solid roster.

00:40:05.989 --> 00:40:10.889
In round two, we are moving to Istanbul, Belgrade,

00:40:10.929 --> 00:40:14.610
and Hong Kong. My prediction is that you'll see

00:40:14.610 --> 00:40:17.150
Turkey and Serbia bring their big guns because

00:40:17.150 --> 00:40:19.010
they're playing at home. You better believe it.

00:40:19.489 --> 00:40:21.989
I think Dominican has to keep bringing their

00:40:21.989 --> 00:40:24.610
big guns because they're not deep as a country.

00:40:24.789 --> 00:40:29.150
Canada, same thing. Poland, I want to say same

00:40:29.150 --> 00:40:33.030
thing. I think we're going to start to see...

00:40:33.630 --> 00:40:36.289
The veteran athletes start to trickle in, but

00:40:36.289 --> 00:40:38.670
those are the ones that I think are going to

00:40:38.670 --> 00:40:43.329
be there for sure in week two. Which teams do

00:40:43.329 --> 00:40:46.929
you think have the depth to make significant

00:40:46.929 --> 00:40:52.050
upgrades? I think Turkey can upgrade big time.

00:40:52.570 --> 00:40:56.449
I'm not sure how much of an upgrade Serbia can

00:40:56.449 --> 00:40:58.909
make because they had such turnover, but Boskovic

00:40:58.909 --> 00:41:02.710
is an X factor. Adding her to the mix just...

00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:05.659
completely changes the landscape. How much better

00:41:05.659 --> 00:41:08.860
do you think Brazil is with Gabi? Well, Gabi

00:41:08.860 --> 00:41:12.280
and Rosa Maria. You know, I think Julia Bergman

00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:15.280
did a good job. I think she was solid. I think

00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:22.599
Gabi, her ball control, her consistency, I think

00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:28.380
she adds an extra dynamic that, yeah, it's like

00:41:28.380 --> 00:41:31.380
an intangible, you know? But it is tangible because

00:41:31.380 --> 00:41:34.420
she produces. What do you think, do you think

00:41:34.420 --> 00:41:38.119
China is committed to this roster for LA? Do

00:41:38.119 --> 00:41:40.960
you think we'll see any of the older athletes

00:41:40.960 --> 00:41:43.780
or are they, this is just how they operate. These

00:41:43.780 --> 00:41:46.079
are the athletes, they're young, we're going.

00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:49.260
No, but they had like eight on the long list

00:41:49.260 --> 00:41:52.630
who came back. For this year. I think China's

00:41:52.630 --> 00:41:55.730
roster will evolve. They always kind of do weird

00:41:55.730 --> 00:41:58.289
stuff. Like. And they'll keep their top athletes

00:41:58.289 --> 00:42:00.989
at home. Until the final. And if like the young

00:42:00.989 --> 00:42:04.590
ones get them there. Fabulous. And if not. Darn.

00:42:05.530 --> 00:42:12.829
You know. Yeah. I'm not sure we'll see. I mean.

00:42:13.050 --> 00:42:15.289
Daldrop for Netherlands. There's a couple pieces

00:42:15.289 --> 00:42:18.710
that could be added for Netherlands. But. The

00:42:18.710 --> 00:42:22.760
two. that I think are going to get a big boost

00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:26.780
in week two are Turkey and Serbia. What do you

00:42:26.780 --> 00:42:30.219
think the U .S. does? Okay, I have some players

00:42:30.219 --> 00:42:32.679
that I think are going to be left home after

00:42:32.679 --> 00:42:39.559
week one. My predictions for the switches, I

00:42:39.559 --> 00:42:43.559
think Zoe Jarvis will be left behind. I think

00:42:43.559 --> 00:42:47.179
Serena Gray and Anna Dodson will be left. And

00:42:47.179 --> 00:42:50.920
I think Ella Mae Powell will be left. I'm expecting

00:42:50.920 --> 00:42:56.159
to see Avery Skinner and Dana Retke. I'm expecting

00:42:56.159 --> 00:42:59.179
Lanier to show up at some point, too. So, honestly,

00:42:59.480 --> 00:43:03.159
if those two are going, I would leave Eggleston

00:43:03.159 --> 00:43:06.480
home, too. Yeah, I think that's probably right.

00:43:06.699 --> 00:43:10.780
I mean, the next round for the U .S. is interesting

00:43:10.780 --> 00:43:16.880
because they don't have any top, top teams. Now,

00:43:16.980 --> 00:43:20.039
I believe they have Serbia in their pool. be

00:43:20.039 --> 00:43:22.780
interesting to see what Serbia comes, but they

00:43:22.780 --> 00:43:25.619
don't play any of the best teams. They already

00:43:25.619 --> 00:43:28.900
did that. They already did that, but there's

00:43:28.900 --> 00:43:32.739
no gimme matches in their pool either. So, you

00:43:32.739 --> 00:43:35.119
know, with a record of one in three so far, if

00:43:35.119 --> 00:43:37.280
you want to make that top eight, this next round

00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:39.659
is going to be important. Like this is going

00:43:39.659 --> 00:43:41.920
to be kind of a show me round for the U S in

00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:45.179
my opinion, they're going to need to win some

00:43:45.179 --> 00:43:49.219
matches. So I'm curious to see. how they approach

00:43:49.219 --> 00:43:52.940
this. I mean, the checkmatch was a lost opportunity,

00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:56.860
in my opinion. But, yeah, those are the ones

00:43:56.860 --> 00:44:01.000
that stick out for me as I think being left off.

00:44:01.219 --> 00:44:05.400
Yeah, I think that makes sense. Again, week one,

00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:09.099
V &L, everybody's feeling things out. Some stars

00:44:09.099 --> 00:44:13.440
who had really long pro seasons are kind of allowed

00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:17.179
to take a break. kind of work their way back

00:44:17.179 --> 00:44:20.219
into the national team system so obviously things

00:44:20.219 --> 00:44:22.239
are going to change but it's fun to talk about

00:44:22.239 --> 00:44:25.719
anyway yeah and see what the priorities are who's

00:44:25.719 --> 00:44:29.519
bringing which players you know which countries

00:44:29.519 --> 00:44:32.280
are it's important for them to win i think for

00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:35.650
me now the management game kind of starts. Who

00:44:35.650 --> 00:44:37.429
do you bring? Like, I know the U .S. didn't have

00:44:37.429 --> 00:44:39.889
a ton of choices in terms of people coming back

00:44:39.889 --> 00:44:42.230
from contracts, injuries, those kind of things.

00:44:42.349 --> 00:44:45.070
Now that you've had a couple weeks to settle

00:44:45.070 --> 00:44:47.409
in and make some choices, what does that look

00:44:47.409 --> 00:44:49.750
like? Okay, let's get into some listener questions.

00:44:50.510 --> 00:44:55.070
Question one, what can Minas fans, that is a

00:44:55.070 --> 00:44:59.030
team in Brazil, expect from Hillary Johnson next

00:44:59.030 --> 00:45:01.639
season? Do you think she's capable of stepping

00:45:01.639 --> 00:45:03.699
up for Canada during the summer now that Gray

00:45:03.699 --> 00:45:08.000
is absent? Did you want my answer before or after

00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:12.079
this round? After this round. I was not impressed.

00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:15.099
I expected more from her. I thought she would

00:45:15.099 --> 00:45:19.900
step up more with Alexa Gray gone. And, you know,

00:45:19.960 --> 00:45:24.119
I don't know what pressures these athletes feel

00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:29.030
playing at home. It's your first time back competing,

00:45:29.329 --> 00:45:35.409
first round of the VNL. She was a good P2 to

00:45:35.409 --> 00:45:41.150
Alexa Gray's P1. I don't think she has the P1

00:45:41.150 --> 00:45:45.349
DNA. Yeah, but I don't think she passed that

00:45:45.349 --> 00:45:50.909
well. Also. So forget that. No, she didn't pass

00:45:50.909 --> 00:45:54.900
well. And again, you have a new coach, you have

00:45:54.900 --> 00:45:58.260
a new system, you have expectations. There are

00:45:58.260 --> 00:46:01.699
a lot of changes happening in that program, even

00:46:01.699 --> 00:46:04.519
though a lot of the athletes are the same. And

00:46:04.519 --> 00:46:09.159
so I would say jury's out. Its expectations aren't

00:46:09.159 --> 00:46:12.119
super high after week one, but I'll give her

00:46:12.119 --> 00:46:15.719
another round to see if she can kind of settle

00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:18.300
in. I know Brie O 'Reilly got hurt at the end

00:46:18.300 --> 00:46:20.739
of that match in Serbia. We'll see if she can

00:46:20.739 --> 00:46:22.960
play or not and what happens at the setting position.

00:46:23.300 --> 00:46:25.219
Yeah, she's going to need to be better than she

00:46:25.219 --> 00:46:29.340
was this week. As far as playing in Brazil...

00:46:29.340 --> 00:46:32.179
She's going to get served a lot. I think she'll

00:46:32.179 --> 00:46:35.199
get served a lot. I don't know. I think the Brazilian

00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:40.400
training system of just very high volume, high

00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:46.219
rep, I think is good. The Brazilian environment...

00:46:47.559 --> 00:46:52.920
is very vocal, it's very loud to play in. The

00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:57.099
fans are very passionate about their team. I

00:46:57.099 --> 00:47:00.000
don't know her personally to be able to know

00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:03.380
how that will affect her. But the Brazilian League,

00:47:03.460 --> 00:47:08.019
even though a lot of the top national team players

00:47:08.019 --> 00:47:11.659
now play overseas, the league is still strong.

00:47:12.039 --> 00:47:17.190
I don't know how it's going to go. She's going

00:47:17.190 --> 00:47:20.730
to learn a lot. She will learn a lot. She will

00:47:20.730 --> 00:47:23.730
learn a lot. She will get a ton of touches. Will

00:47:23.730 --> 00:47:27.230
they translate? We'll find out. Question two.

00:47:28.250 --> 00:47:31.130
If the U .S. women fail to show up and perform

00:47:31.130 --> 00:47:33.630
well this summer and potentially next year, do

00:47:33.630 --> 00:47:36.050
you see a lot of the players going back overseas

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to help develop their game, specifically passing

00:47:39.710 --> 00:47:43.670
defense out of system hitting? Will that hurt

00:47:43.670 --> 00:47:46.349
the future of the domestic leagues if they can't

00:47:46.349 --> 00:47:48.809
raise their level of play to mirror the Italian

00:47:48.809 --> 00:47:51.730
-Turkish leagues? Because this person was saying,

00:47:51.869 --> 00:47:55.030
I don't think it's any coincidence that a lot

00:47:55.030 --> 00:47:58.610
of USA's top talent are still choosing to play

00:47:58.610 --> 00:48:02.670
overseas. If I was coaching the US national team,

00:48:02.889 --> 00:48:06.809
I would send all of them overseas without question.

00:48:07.010 --> 00:48:11.050
You can see it in the players we talked about

00:48:11.050 --> 00:48:14.760
today. You have 19 -year -olds, 20 -year -olds

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that are putting together just outstanding performances.

00:48:18.940 --> 00:48:22.420
Winning Champions League, competing for championships.

00:48:22.739 --> 00:48:27.440
I'm sorry. I'm a fan of building a league in

00:48:27.440 --> 00:48:32.360
North America. I'm 100 % behind that goal. But

00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:38.000
building a league and winning LA, those are two

00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:41.900
different things. And eventually, can America,

00:48:42.119 --> 00:48:44.420
can the Love League or one of the leagues get

00:48:44.420 --> 00:48:46.280
to a point where it's a top league in the world?

00:48:46.340 --> 00:48:49.800
Yes, absolutely. I fundamentally believe that.

00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:52.519
But as of right now, you're not playing against

00:48:52.519 --> 00:48:57.219
the best athletes in the world. I would send

00:48:57.219 --> 00:49:01.300
my top four players from each position overseas

00:49:01.300 --> 00:49:04.360
if I can, without question. I think the athletes

00:49:04.360 --> 00:49:06.579
just have to figure out what their priorities

00:49:06.579 --> 00:49:10.610
are. Unfortunately, in the landscape of professional

00:49:10.610 --> 00:49:14.550
volleyball, as a North American, you can't have

00:49:14.550 --> 00:49:19.210
everything. You can't make a lot of money and

00:49:19.210 --> 00:49:22.090
play against the best competition and be comfortable

00:49:22.090 --> 00:49:27.170
and close to family all at the same time. It's

00:49:27.170 --> 00:49:30.289
unrealistic as a North American with how professional

00:49:30.289 --> 00:49:34.269
volleyball is right now. One of the three variables

00:49:34.269 --> 00:49:37.110
have to give. And you just have to decide which

00:49:37.110 --> 00:49:39.809
one is the one you're willing to sacrifice. And

00:49:39.809 --> 00:49:42.389
I think like coming out of their first year and

00:49:42.389 --> 00:49:44.610
first year of a cycle and wanting to be a part

00:49:44.610 --> 00:49:48.929
of the league as it starts, like Maddie Skinner

00:49:48.929 --> 00:49:52.650
and Sarah Franklin, like I get wanting to be

00:49:52.650 --> 00:49:55.329
a part of that movement, but you already see

00:49:55.329 --> 00:49:57.590
it. Sarah Franklin is going overseas, right?

00:49:57.829 --> 00:50:01.789
Dana Reckie, Avery Skinner, already, you know,

00:50:01.809 --> 00:50:06.730
all already overseas, right? For now, that's

00:50:06.730 --> 00:50:09.489
what they have to do if they want to win in LA.

00:50:09.750 --> 00:50:14.329
And I think you're going to see Sarah Franklin

00:50:14.329 --> 00:50:17.090
be a different player next year after a year

00:50:17.090 --> 00:50:19.889
in Italy. It's going to change her game completely.

00:50:20.170 --> 00:50:23.510
If they want to win, they need to do that. Question

00:50:23.510 --> 00:50:26.590
three, is passing a mental skill just as much

00:50:26.590 --> 00:50:29.769
as a technical one? Absolutely. Didn't even hesitate.

00:50:30.650 --> 00:50:33.869
I mean, if you're sitting there and you're getting

00:50:33.869 --> 00:50:36.730
bombs, blasted at you consistently and you're

00:50:36.730 --> 00:50:39.449
thinking please don't serve me the ball you're

00:50:39.449 --> 00:50:43.530
toast that ball comes so fast the angles are

00:50:43.530 --> 00:50:46.510
absurd with the float serves that some of these

00:50:46.510 --> 00:50:49.570
girls are hitting you know van rijk bombing jump

00:50:49.570 --> 00:50:52.449
serves at you the ball's moving around like you

00:50:52.449 --> 00:50:56.650
need an aggressive serve me attitude oh and if

00:50:56.650 --> 00:50:59.210
you change your mind your facial expression at

00:50:59.210 --> 00:51:01.969
all or if your eyes get big or look at the ground

00:51:02.980 --> 00:51:05.179
everybody notices and they are going to destroy

00:51:05.179 --> 00:51:07.619
you. Now, don't get me wrong. You need to be

00:51:07.619 --> 00:51:09.659
technically able to pass the ball as well. It

00:51:09.659 --> 00:51:13.039
is both. It is 100 % both. You're right. Yeah.

00:51:13.940 --> 00:51:16.179
You can want to pass all you want, but if you

00:51:16.179 --> 00:51:18.840
can't do it, then it's not going to work either.

00:51:19.380 --> 00:51:21.420
Okay, last question of the day. When players

00:51:21.420 --> 00:51:23.619
are deciding where to play professionally, it

00:51:23.619 --> 00:51:26.159
seems like salary and the competitiveness of

00:51:26.159 --> 00:51:28.940
the league are major factors. How much do things

00:51:28.940 --> 00:51:32.090
like the coach... or even which other players

00:51:32.090 --> 00:51:34.389
are signed to the team play into that decision?

00:51:34.590 --> 00:51:37.570
For example, does the coach's reputation or the

00:51:37.570 --> 00:51:40.269
presence of certain teammates influence a player's

00:51:40.269 --> 00:51:42.809
choice? I mean, I think that you are probably,

00:51:43.050 --> 00:51:46.809
I never had the luxury of making those decisions,

00:51:46.909 --> 00:51:49.730
so it's probably a question for you. You are

00:51:49.730 --> 00:51:55.050
right. Salary, I think, you know, salary, strength

00:51:55.050 --> 00:52:00.619
of league, life conditions. do play a factor

00:52:00.619 --> 00:52:04.079
I will say when I would make decisions I would

00:52:04.079 --> 00:52:06.019
look at who they have on their roster how they

00:52:06.019 --> 00:52:09.619
did the year before what the potential outlook

00:52:09.619 --> 00:52:11.780
of the team looks like like if a team performed

00:52:11.780 --> 00:52:13.679
badly the year before but they brought in a lot

00:52:13.679 --> 00:52:16.539
of good players like and the other conditions

00:52:16.539 --> 00:52:18.420
were right like yeah I would consider it for

00:52:18.420 --> 00:52:23.420
sure I would say coaches when you get to the

00:52:23.420 --> 00:52:27.300
top top teams the coaches resumes are all legit

00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:31.480
So I wouldn't say that it necessarily is an impact

00:52:31.480 --> 00:52:34.400
if you're going, if you're considering like a

00:52:34.400 --> 00:52:37.440
really good team. If you're a more inexperienced

00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:39.719
player and your national team coach tells you,

00:52:39.760 --> 00:52:42.519
do you want to come with me to this team? You

00:52:42.519 --> 00:52:45.579
should probably say yes. But I would say the

00:52:45.579 --> 00:52:50.239
coaching and the teammates decision is probably

00:52:50.239 --> 00:52:55.960
less of a factor than how good is this league?

00:52:56.699 --> 00:52:59.820
What are our chances of winning? Are we going

00:52:59.820 --> 00:53:03.860
to be in Champions League? What kind of money

00:53:03.860 --> 00:53:06.619
am I going to make? What is my quality of life?

00:53:07.159 --> 00:53:08.920
Yeah, and I think probably the other thing with

00:53:08.920 --> 00:53:11.019
that is, I mean, you and I were married when

00:53:11.019 --> 00:53:13.480
you were playing most of your career overseas.

00:53:13.559 --> 00:53:15.639
So we were always together. So I think that for

00:53:15.639 --> 00:53:18.539
a lot of people, like knowing at least one or

00:53:18.539 --> 00:53:22.579
having a native speaker on your team. Well, so

00:53:22.579 --> 00:53:27.340
for example, I played a season in Brazil. And

00:53:27.340 --> 00:53:30.860
then when it came to re -signing, for me that

00:53:30.860 --> 00:53:33.500
year in particular, it came down to going to

00:53:33.500 --> 00:53:39.940
Moscow or going back to Rio. And Moscow offered

00:53:39.940 --> 00:53:45.860
me a lot more money than Rio did. But I knew

00:53:45.860 --> 00:53:50.429
what I was getting into in Rio. had a good experience

00:53:50.429 --> 00:53:53.710
there. I knew the coaching staff. I knew the

00:53:53.710 --> 00:53:55.469
players. I knew I was going to get better. The

00:53:55.469 --> 00:53:58.909
league was good. The money was nothing to slouch

00:53:58.909 --> 00:54:02.190
at. But when I thought about like my life there,

00:54:02.389 --> 00:54:06.030
I was willing to sacrifice the difference in

00:54:06.030 --> 00:54:10.769
the salary for quality of life and things like

00:54:10.769 --> 00:54:14.130
that. So yeah. Lots of factors. There are lots

00:54:14.130 --> 00:54:16.949
of factors to consider for sure. As always, we

00:54:16.949 --> 00:54:20.000
love these questions. I always love seeing what

00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:22.460
people write in. It's always an exciting day.

00:54:22.900 --> 00:54:27.519
All right. So week one of Women's VNL in the

00:54:27.519 --> 00:54:30.400
books. Really interesting. Some great volleyball.

00:54:30.719 --> 00:54:33.639
If you didn't get a chance to watch them on Volleyball

00:54:33.639 --> 00:54:35.480
TV, you can go back and watch any of the matches.

00:54:35.820 --> 00:54:38.119
Well, the Americans decided that it's going to

00:54:38.119 --> 00:54:41.719
be on CBS Sports and stuff too. So like literally

00:54:41.719 --> 00:54:43.860
the day before VNL started, they're like, oh,

00:54:43.900 --> 00:54:46.019
PS, you can watch it here. Thanks so much for

00:54:46.019 --> 00:54:49.619
your membership. So lots of good volleyball to

00:54:49.619 --> 00:54:51.940
watch. So the women have the week off. We're

00:54:51.940 --> 00:54:55.260
heading into week one of the men's VNL this week.

00:54:55.420 --> 00:54:58.820
We're in the same countries, China, Canada, and

00:54:58.820 --> 00:55:02.739
Brazil for the men's VNL. We're in Xi 'an, China,

00:55:02.980 --> 00:55:06.900
Quebec City, and back in Rio. We've got Wednesday

00:55:06.900 --> 00:55:10.670
at 8 p .m. Eastern, Canada versus Germany. We've

00:55:10.670 --> 00:55:13.409
got Thursday at 8 .30 Eastern, Poland versus

00:55:13.409 --> 00:55:16.190
Japan. Very different styles. Very different

00:55:16.190 --> 00:55:18.110
styles. Very good teams. That will be exciting.

00:55:19.070 --> 00:55:23.389
Friday at 8 p .m. Eastern, France and Italy.

00:55:23.809 --> 00:55:28.710
Now, that's must -watch TV. Yeah. So I would

00:55:28.710 --> 00:55:30.630
circle that. Get your popcorn out. That's going

00:55:30.630 --> 00:55:32.869
to be a ton of fun. I hand -selected all these

00:55:32.869 --> 00:55:35.670
matches, you guys, okay? These are Sarah's recommendations.

00:55:35.809 --> 00:55:38.550
Again, which ones were watchable based on the

00:55:38.550 --> 00:55:41.969
time? And which ones I thought would be entertaining.

00:55:43.210 --> 00:55:47.429
And then on Saturday, 1230 p .m. Eastern, USA

00:55:47.429 --> 00:55:51.369
versus Slovenia. So USA men and women are in

00:55:51.369 --> 00:55:55.170
a similar boat. We got a young USA roster, a

00:55:55.170 --> 00:55:57.449
Slovenian team that we've been told to not sleep

00:55:57.449 --> 00:56:00.349
on. Don't sleep on Slovenia. They're good. So

00:56:00.349 --> 00:56:02.510
it'll be interesting. One other thing I wanted

00:56:02.510 --> 00:56:04.869
to put out there I'm curious to see is I'm curious

00:56:04.869 --> 00:56:07.409
to see the difference in coaching style because

00:56:07.409 --> 00:56:10.260
you had two different. Two inexperienced rosters

00:56:10.260 --> 00:56:11.960
on the women's side and on the men's side to

00:56:11.960 --> 00:56:15.199
see what Karch does with the young men he's bringing

00:56:15.199 --> 00:56:17.800
to this pool play. I want to listen into the

00:56:17.800 --> 00:56:21.219
timeouts. Yeah, that's something I'm very curious

00:56:21.219 --> 00:56:23.460
to kind of see if the approach is the same, if

00:56:23.460 --> 00:56:25.199
it's a little bit different, you know, what they

00:56:25.199 --> 00:56:28.039
look like. We followed the NCAA men, you know,

00:56:28.039 --> 00:56:30.079
pretty closely to see, I'm curious to see if

00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:32.639
their style is the same. So I think that will

00:56:32.639 --> 00:56:35.860
be, it'll be interesting to watch them this week.

00:56:35.920 --> 00:56:38.079
So I'm looking forward to another great week

00:56:38.079 --> 00:56:40.119
of... Probably way too much volleyball and not

00:56:40.119 --> 00:56:42.840
enough productivity. That concludes this week's

00:56:42.840 --> 00:56:44.840
episode of Volley Talk. There's always something

00:56:44.840 --> 00:56:46.539
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