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Hi volleyball fans and welcome back to Volley Talk, the podcast created for volleyball lovers

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who want to dig deep into what is going on in NCAA and international volleyball.

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I'm your host Sarah Pavin, I'm an Olympian, beach volleyball world champion, former Nebraska

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Cornhusker and longtime pro, both indoor and on the beach.

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And I'm Adam Schultz, former indoor player, international volleyball coach and the show's

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resident stat guy.

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We had Valentine's Day, we had a long weekend.

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You might be listening to this on your long weekend.

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Lots of volleyball to be watched.

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I mean, what more can you ask for really?

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The number of unbeaten teams is dwindling on the NCAA men's side as some heavy hitters

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faced off this week.

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The Love Classic was held in conjunction with Triple Crown in Kansas City, the PVF All-Star

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weekend is coming up.

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You may think you know what we have in store for you this week, but I think you might be

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in for a little surprise as we mix things up a little bit.

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So we're so excited to talk volleyball with you all.

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So let's get started.

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As we mentioned a couple weeks ago, the US women's national team named Eric Sullivan

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as their head coach for LA 2028, but he has announced his assistant coaching roster this

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week.

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So in addition to Eric Sullivan, Tyeeba Hanif Park, Mike Wall and Brandon Talley-Farrow

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were named the assistant coaches.

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For those of you who may not be familiar with those people, Tyeeba Hanif Park was a three

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time Olympian.

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She's currently coaching the San Diego Mojo in the PVF.

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She has been an assistant coach at Oregon and Arizona and has been involved with a lot

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of the USA development programs like the Pan Am Cup teams, the U23 teams, things like that.

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Mike Wall was the US men's national team assistant coach from 2013 to 2021.

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And then through the Paris Olympics, he was a consultant coach.

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Not sure what that means, but you get the idea.

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And he has been an assistant at Arizona State and Utah.

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And then Brandon Talley-Farrow is a former men's national team member and he is currently

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the assistant coach for the UCLA men's team.

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We were actually asked a question this week about what we think about this coaching lineup.

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I'm not going to lie whenever I see a coaching lineup for a national team, I always think

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the assistants are a little like, why did they pick them?

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I'm always kind of like, what made you pick this person?

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As a head coach, ideally you're thinking about the things that you're good at and the things

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that you are not good at and finding assistant coaches who maybe fill the gap or have a need

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that you are maybe not the best at.

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And so looking at that skill set along with how do you work with people?

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What's the dynamic like?

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Are they going to have your back but push you?

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That coaching staff dynamic I think is really, really important and so making sure that you

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fit on a skill and personal level are important.

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And a lot of times we don't know those things.

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So it's hard to kind of make an assessment until you see at least one year of results

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and see how they work together.

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Looks like we're just doing a flip flop here.

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Former men's national team coaches heading to the women's side, women's coaches heading

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to the men's.

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We're just doing a little flip.

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I wonder what these coaches develop as their coaching specialty as they transition into

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the coaching game because maybe their specialty is not what they played.

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But yeah, I did notice that none of these coaches were former middles.

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But when we look at the women's national team last round, neither were any of them.

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So well, in the US has generally been very strong at that position.

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So we'll see how that goes.

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And if that continues, they do have some very good middles coming down the pipeline.

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So to be completely honest with you, I had no idea who Mike Wall was.

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And then I was a little surprised that Talia Farrow, that one kind of came out of nowhere

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Tyba Hanif Park, that makes sense.

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Like I can see why she would be selected.

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And quite frankly, women's teams, you need to, I mean, you don't need to, but you tend

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to see a woman on the coaching staff in some capacity.

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But yeah, I was a little surprised about Talia Farrow, but I mean, he's based in LA already.

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He's coaching at a high level program.

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I mean, there's always going to be Eric Sullivan is going to have his own relationships and

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know a ton of people in the sport.

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He's going to know who he works well with.

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So you have to trust that the head coach knows what he's doing and how that fit is going

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to work and to shape that team to his vision of the USA program.

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So we'll see how it goes.

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On the NCAA men's side, last week was upset week.

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There was a lot of movement and shaking happening.

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So we did end up seeing a lot of movement happening in the middle to lower part of the

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rankings.

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The top five stayed solid and consistent from the week before.

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This week wasn't upset week as a whole, but we did have some unbeaten teams get handed

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their first defeats.

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So Long Beach State is now 10 and 0 after beating UCLA 3-0 in Westwood.

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We watched that match.

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I thought it was a very good match.

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It was close for the most part.

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Points back and forth, lots of tide, lots of lead changes.

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I mean, I don't think UCLA led the match at all until the third set, but the first set

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was very close.

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It was close.

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And there were chances for UCLA.

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I know that Long Beach handed them their losses, but I would say that they had chances in that

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match to take the lead and even win sets.

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I'm thinking specifically there was one overpass where the middle hit the ball into the, or

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hit the net.

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No, just like ripped the net down with his arm.

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And I think that was to go up 23-21 at that point.

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Yes, they won.

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They won.

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And then they went back and lost that set.

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So I think UCLA was very close to having a few execution pieces go in their favor.

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And then they struggled to give up serving runs with some of their best players for Long

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Beach.

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I just think Long Beach stays better.

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Yeah, 100% they're better.

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I totally agree with that.

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But it wasn't like UCLA didn't have chances.

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Had they executed on a few things, I think they could have extended that match and they

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don't run the middle enough.

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Plain and simple.

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Okay, so a question that was asked to us was A, what do we think about UCLA's Tulabero

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system and B, what could UCLA have done to beat Long Beach State?

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I personally think that when I look at the top men's teams, when I look at Long Beach

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State, when I look at UC Irvine, they're in system so much.

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Their passing is very, very good.

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And I think that that is kind of where UCLA falters a little bit.

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I don't think UCLA's passing is at the standard of the top top teams.

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And so I think it's twofold.

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There's that but then there's also the fact that they rely so heavily on their outsides

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and they're not getting production from their middles and right sides the same way that

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the other top teams are.

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Could it be a factor?

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Could it be part of the passing issue?

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Maybe, but even when they are passing well, they're not getting that same production that

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the other top teams are.

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So I think that that is the difference right now.

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What do you think about the Tulabero system?

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I mean, it's tough to judge what either one would do in the other position.

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I'm personally not a fan of Aziz's serve receive.

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So I like that the other guy comes in for serve receive.

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Yeah, and I mean, obviously, both of those liberos are putting into their best position.

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And if one was outperforming the other, you'd play with the same guy.

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I personally like when you have one libero on the floor for both skills.

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I think it adds a little bit of cohesiveness and you can kind of feel the game out better.

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But sometimes you just have two players that have skill sets that are independent and you

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might as well utilize them.

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The thing about the passing that you mentioned was, it's interesting.

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They're not a terrible passing team.

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They just pass at the attack line.

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They're all shaking every single ball, but they're not like Rowan was running around.

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Well, yeah, there's height on the balls, but they're all that he's setting from the attack

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line very consistently or slightly from the sideline, either sideline.

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The setter is running around.

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And that and that makes it hard because I think Rowan is a good setter, but he's constantly

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on the move.

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And that's what needs to be fixed because they very rarely run their middle in server

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receive.

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Mostly they run their middle on free balls in transition and the other team knows it's

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coming.

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And they the middle still score.

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I think the middles are good enough to be more productive than they are and they don't

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use them at the right time.

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It's part passing and part decision making for me.

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And they're missing David.

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They're go to opposite.

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I'm curious if he comes back, if that production improves, but I agree.

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They're a little one dimensional right now.

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Also, did anybody see miles partain on the bench?

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Somebody tell me what's going on there because after he left that team high and dry a couple

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years ago, I am shocked that he is showing his face in Polly Pavilion again.

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So somebody give me the details on that because I was wow.

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Well, I'm not surprised that it's after sprawl left.

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And also his numbers 28 is that a sign for LA 2028?

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Who knows?

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To be completely honest, I've kind of like since I retired, I just stopped paying attention

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to beach volleyball.

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So maybe it's been out there and I just don't know.

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But tell me.

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You see Irvine beat formerly unbeaten USC in both of their matches this week.

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They won three, two and three zero.

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So we are going to be talking about those matches here in a bit, but there is one unbeaten

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down Ball State and Lewis split their series.

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Ball State won the first three one and then Lewis returned the favor beating Ball State

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the next night and five.

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And then Loyola Chicago is no longer unbeaten.

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Everybody McHendry handed them their first loss of the season of three to two.

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They upset Lewis last week.

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So McHendry is just like the dark horse here to just mess up everybody's seasons.

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You know what I'm saying?

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So that means Long Beach State and UC Irvine are the only two unbeaten teams left in men's

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volleyball.

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That's exciting.

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I want to see them play each other.

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That would be outstanding.

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I just have to say, and I know I mentioned this last week, I have had so much fun watching

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the men's NCAA matches.

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If you are just craving some volleyball, turn on men's NCAA.

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You will not be disappointed.

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All right.

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Let's look at the women's leagues.

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We have as mentioned this week was the love classic.

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Earlier this week we saw love implemented the super point for this tournament.

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Lame, so lame.

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As soon as I saw that, I almost wanted to like this to me.

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This to me just feels so gimmicky.

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It seems like they're trying to put in some interest or something to talk about.

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It's so cringy.

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Hey, this one's worth two.

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Like, that just doesn't.

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Oh my gosh.

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I can't even talk about it.

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I'm like, this is so embarrassing.

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Like I wish I was a fly on the wall in that meeting where somebody pitched that idea.

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I hope everybody at that table was looking around thinking it was a joke.

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And then when they saw the person was like serious, they're like, oh, yes, yes, genius.

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This is going to throw everybody for a loop.

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It sure threw me for a loop.

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So I boycotted love this week because I just couldn't take it.

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It's almost like they know that things are getting stale and things are getting a little

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boring watching the same matchups over and over.

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So they're like, you know what, let's be exciting.

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It's not exciting.

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But think about, so if I'm a coach and I'm looking at this, anytime I get to 23 points,

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I'm just going to go.

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But they made a rule.

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It was like, it can't happen.

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I want to say it couldn't happen after 20 or something in the normal sets.

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And then in the fifth set, you couldn't do it after 11.

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Okay.

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So we're going to spice it up, but you can't do it when it matters.

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So you're just going to pick your best server and go, hey, this one's worth two.

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Like that is the dumbest idea I've ever heard.

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It does nothing for me.

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Nothing.

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Anyway, moving on.

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We're okay.

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Trust us.

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So the tournament was set up.

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So the top two teams in the standings currently got a buy in the tournament.

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So the quarters were already played.

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Houston beat Madison 3-0.

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No surprise there.

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Madison stinks.

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Austin beat Salt Lake 3-1 in a match that was looked closer.

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We didn't watch that one, but the scores indicated.

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No, we boycotted love.

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Scores indicated that the match was at least close.

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Semi-final play saw Houston beat Omaha 3-1 and then Atlanta beat Austin 3-1.

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That one I was less surprised about.

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I thought Omaha was probably going to win.

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So Houston got their rhythm down in that venue.

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You know?

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Yeah.

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Having a buy is always a double-edged sword in my opinion.

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It's tricky.

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So it'll be interesting to see what happens in the finals.

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Maybe we won't boycott the finals.

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Maybe we'll have them on in the background or something.

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But we'll see what happens between Houston versus Atlanta.

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That could be a good game, especially if Houston's found a little rhythm.

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That's being played today.

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We record on Sundays, everybody.

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So, yeah.

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Looking at the PVF, Orlando is still going strong.

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They had a 3-1 win over both Columbus and Grand Rapids this week.

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Atlanta's back on the winning track with a 3-1 win over Grand Rapids.

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Orlando has stacked up a decent lead of points with 23 on the season.

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Vegas has 17, but is still atop the leaderboard at 7-2.

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So somebody hit us up and just…

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We're so confused.

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I couldn't find anything on the website as to what the actual standing metrics are and

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how you break ties.

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So if anybody knows, let us know.

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But Orlando has been winning in convincing style.

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Most of their wins are in 3-4.

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Correct.

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They've had a 1-1 win in 5, so they have been maximizing those points.

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Which I think is important and will serve them well.

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And we'll see if Vegas can start to win a little more consistently in 3 or 4.

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But yeah, both of those teams are leading the league and playing well right now.

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Our first feature match of the week is on the NCAA men's side, UC Irvine versus USC.

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We watched the first match.

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We did not see the second, but very, very different style of play from the Hawaii-Stanford

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matches we talked about last week.

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Whoa.

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This match was an absolute shootout.

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They were bombing balls at each other.

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This was physicality on another level.

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And while there weren't a lot of rallies in this match…

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No defense was to be found in this match, okay?

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It was still impressive to watch.

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It was incredibly fun.

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It was impressive, yeah, like Adam said.

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Just by its sheer physicality and power, I think the Hawaii-Stanford match, they were

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impressive because it was a full, well-rounded volleyball game.

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Good ball control, good rallies, the defense was solid.

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The teams were very consistent with their serving.

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This was on a different level, but it was still entertaining.

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I was watching that match and thinking, okay, how are these teams going to match up against

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a Hawaii, which is, you know, stout defensively, they make plays, they extend rallies.

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It seemed that USC and UC Irvine were playing a similar style of game, and it was just going

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to be, hey, who's better at this style?

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And once those kind of strategies mix, I'm so curious to see some of those matchups.

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But this was thoroughly entertaining, so close, unbelievable.

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26-24 in the fifth set, ladies and gentlemen.

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To UC Irvine's credit, and I know I kind of alluded to it earlier, they are in system

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a lot.

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They're passing, even though they didn't do a lot of balls, they're passing.

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The setter has any option, and the scary thing is all the options are good options.

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There are no bad players on that team, and they're all physical.

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It's incredible.

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One of the differences, so there was very little digging happening because the balls

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were coming just so fast, lots of off the block.

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But to me, the difference in the match was UC Irvine ended up blocking better down the

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stretch, and it was always a combination.

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Because the hitters were so skilled, UC Irvine had the ability to apply a little bit of pressure

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from the service line and then get one or two key digs almost in a row.

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So they had a couple rotations where they blocked really well, and that would create

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a little bit of separation for them, and then they'd kind of finish the match off.

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From a holistic standpoint, that was one of the things that I noticed they were really

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good at.

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So looking at the teams, who from UC Irvine did you think stood out the most for you?

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I think Noah Flexon was very good.

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I know Heno is also very good.

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He kind of rubs me the wrong way, you guys.

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His attitude is so bad.

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It's very dependent on where they are in the match and how well he's getting set.

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Well, it always depends on how everybody else is doing.

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He doesn't seem to mind his own mistakes, but if anybody dares to set him poorly or

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make an error, he's storming around the court, he is upset, but then he makes a terrible

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set, and he's like, oh, my bad.

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He's like, nah, I'm not a fan of that.

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But Heno finds very interesting and varied ways to score.

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He finds the top of those fingers so frequently.

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He mixes up his shots.

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His court vision is outstanding.

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He is more of a diversified offensive player, whereas Flexon is just jumps out of the gym.

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His contact point is so high.

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I like Flexon's style of play.

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He is just a horse and he is working.

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Feed him the ball, he's going to put it away.

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So I personally prefer Flexon, and I thought he did a great job.

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So if we look at the stats for that match, both Flexon and Heno got 50 attacks in that

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match.

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Heno had 24 kills, Flexon had 27.

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Flexon hit 420 on the match, and Heno hit 340.

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It was incredible.

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But that being said, they still spread the ball around even after that.

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You had Mika Gross had 16 sets, you had Maxim Grigoriev had 15 sets, and then Andon had

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27.

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So I was going to get that one.

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So even though they have their go-to hitters, I thought they did a pretty good job of balancing

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the offense.

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I liked how they ran the middle just enough to kind of keep USC there and in the zone.

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And they ran the back row ball over top of that incredibly effective.

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So even though they didn't necessarily run the middle a ton, I thought they did a good

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job of owning the middle of the court, which made attacking on the outside of the pins

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more effective for them.

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I think that's what makes them so dangerous.

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And that's kind of what I was speaking about earlier is that every option they have is

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a good option.

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Their middles, while they may not get used a ton, are capable.

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And they score when they're given the opportunity.

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Both left sides are scoring.

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Your right side is scoring.

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In a team like that, what do you do?

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You have to prioritize your option and then you have to leave something available and

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you're eating it.

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Yeah.

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And their setter did a very good job of understanding where they were.

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Any kind of movement, he was setting the right player.

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At least that's how it looked to me.

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His hitters always seem to have the advantage.

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I would say their biggest liability is when their setter, Carlos, is in the front row.

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USC was exploiting that like crazy.

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And the wild thing to me is this setter is definitely a liability at the net.

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But not only that, he's leaving a truckload of line when he's blocking.

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If you know that teams are attacking you and you know that you're not the strongest blocker,

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make the line, minimize the court that they have to hit over or around you.

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But he's leaving so much line.

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I would hate to be defending behind that.

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It's just like, please just hit me and don't knock me out.

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You know what I'm saying?

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The right side, digging behind the setter is never a place you want to be.

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It's never a place you want to be.

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But when the setter can't block and is leaving so much, it was honestly, and not that this

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happened, but it was honestly like digging behind my setter in college when Destiny Hooker

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was hitting.

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Well, and I will say- And Rachel would take the line, but Destiny

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Hooker was like touching 20 feet.

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So I know you've experienced this.

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You've played with a lot of small setters and it's never a fun experience.

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But let me tell you, as a man playing the game, when you're setter small and the heavens

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just open in front of you and you're halfway- I would step off of the court, okay?

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I'm out.

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I would step out of this.

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It's not a good feeling.

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I thought that so many times.

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I was like, I don't know how these guys do that.

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Because that ball is going so fast.

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I would just walk away.

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It's wild.

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It's wild.

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I love this match just because it was so competitive and so close.

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If we look at the match from a statistical standpoint, USC hit 311 on the match, which

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is good.

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UC Irvine hit 335.

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So you're pretty close.

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And if we look down the stat line, service wise, USC 16 errors to UCI is 18, three aces

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to four, very similar.

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And again, as we discussed, it's the blocking for me that comes in and makes the difference.

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UCI had 27 block assists and four solo blocks compared to 16 for UCI and two solo blocks.

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And not only that, USC made blocking errors at bad times.

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Oh my gosh, they touched the net.

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Four times they were on the net.

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And if I'm remembering correctly, almost all of them were post 20.

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And that was part of it, was undisciplined in some of those situations towards the end.

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Now don't get me wrong, we were in extra time in the second set and major extra time in

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the fifth set with point leads going back and forth.

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Those guys had ice in their veins.

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They were making swings on broken plays and keeping their team in there.

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And it was super exciting.

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But that ability to get a block and a couple key errors at times, I think for me was what

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sunk USC in that match.

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You know what I really liked about USC was how they ran their middle.

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Oh, yes.

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From like way off the net, they were pumping that middle and they were very effective,

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particularly Parker Tomlinson.

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This kid is seven feet tall.

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He didn't look seven feet tall on the court.

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You know, it's like when you're when you're standing among people who are around your

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height, you look normal.

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Seven foot middle.

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And opening him up, opening himself up for attacks.

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He was working hard to be a target all the time.

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I think that is going to be one of USC strengths going on is how often they can run both of

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their middles, quite frankly.

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And it's opening up their outside hitters who probably weren't as physical as some of

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the other outside hitters that we've seen in the league.

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So that is going to be a key component for them.

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I thought Marcus Olsen came in and did a good job in the middle too.

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He came in partway through the match, but I loved how adamant they were and how consistently

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they were running their middle.

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I thought Dylan Klein played really well.

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Jack Duker.

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Like it was it was a fun match to watch.

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I think USC definitely won the libero battle.

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I would say Dylan Klein did a bunch of things really well and he was fun to watch.

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But that to me was the difference in the match because you had the hitting efficiencies for

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the two outside hitters in Hano and Flexin from UC Irvine who are over 300.

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Dylan Klein had 47 sets, so almost as many as the other two, but only hit 191.

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And it's not as if he played poorly.

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He still had 18 kills, but for me, he made too many errors.

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He had nine errors and he needs to find a rhythm where he doesn't feel perfect of being

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able to put the other team in trouble while not causing his team an error.

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Well we were talking about that in the first set too.

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Like USC was either scoring or making an error.

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There were very few plays that were continuing.

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And I think that with the middles doing the job that they are for USC, you're going to

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get your chances because the middles have to hold on the other side.

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You've got to be able to find a three quarter swing that can still put them in trouble and

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give yourself a chance when you don't have that clean kill.

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And that will come.

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That's an experience thing.

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And in general, men are shooting to score and they're not thinking about the three quarter

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speed.

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That's just an experience thing in my mind.

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The only head scratching thing for me was UC Irvine put in a serving sub for the first

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time in the fifth set at 13-12.

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Welcome to the match.

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My man better not mess this up.

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And I believe he missed the serve.

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He did.

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But I was like this poor kid.

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Like you were set up to fail on that.

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I'm thinking what are you doing?

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Like you've got to have so much confidence in that kid.

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This is a massive match.

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He's ice cold.

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Like literally two hours into the match, welcome.

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You're going into overtime.

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For me, I was sitting there thinking this is going to cost them the match.

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They're blocking so well.

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They're controlling the net from that standpoint.

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I didn't understand that and thought it was going to cost them, but they ended up coming

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back and closing it out 26-24.

480
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:07,360
But that was definitely kind of the head scratching moment for me of the match.

481
00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:09,720
And I thought that's game over.

482
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,680
They're going to look back on my decision and go that was not the right call.

483
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,840
I mean obviously we only watched the five set match, the more exciting one, you know,

484
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:22,160
but UC Irvine did beat USC three straight in their next matchup.

485
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,920
So maybe they figured them out, you know.

486
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,640
This match was more of the same.

487
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,000
USC made way more hitting errors.

488
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,120
They had 20 errors to UCI's 10.

489
00:28:34,120 --> 00:28:40,600
The blocking numbers were stacked in UCI's favor and it just wasn't quite as competitive.

490
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:47,320
USC hit 213 on the match as a team and UCI was 379.

491
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,280
So they just kind of came at them and USC couldn't hang with them after that five set

492
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:55,760
match and it looks like it was a little more of the same, but a little more spread out

493
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,080
and staggered.

494
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:02,680
So I think that UCI is definitely the better team.

495
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:03,920
They have more weapons.

496
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:09,120
I like what USC was doing from a strategy standpoint in terms of running their middle.

497
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,960
I think that's going to serve them well down the stretch and we'll see if their outside

498
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:17,560
hitters start to make a few better decisions against really high level opponents.

499
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:22,920
Honestly, this is probably a hot take, but I think UCI is better than Long Beach State.

500
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:27,520
I know people are going to be so mad that I said that, but I said what I said.

501
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:28,880
I think UCI is better.

502
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,360
Let's watch the showdown.

503
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:38,520
Okay, as we mentioned earlier in the show, we boycotted love this week because we could

504
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,280
not believe that they created that super point.

505
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,920
And to be completely honest, both of us kind of needed a bit of a breather and a palate

506
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:50,320
cleanser of sorts from love and the PVF.

507
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:51,880
So we have a surprise for you.

508
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,680
We mixed it up.

509
00:29:53,680 --> 00:30:00,560
We decided that we were going to watch the Coppa Italia final between Conigliano and

510
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,920
Milano, because we just needed to spice things up.

511
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:09,480
We felt like we were saying the same things week after week and I was like, I need to

512
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,280
see some high level European league play here.

513
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:19,840
So the Coppa Italia final was last Sunday, so we checked it out and I'm so glad we did.

514
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,120
It was exactly the breath of fresh air that I personally needed.

515
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:29,080
I would agree it was time to mix it up and this had more of a college excitement feel

516
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:33,000
to it at a higher level of athlete.

517
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:38,680
And before we dive into the game, though, why don't you tell everybody what Coppa Italia

518
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:43,040
is and where it fits into the season and what the significance of it is?

519
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,080
Because I'm thinking some people may not know.

520
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:51,400
So all I don't say all I think all European pro leagues, they have their like season,

521
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:56,680
you know, they play each team twice, they play playoffs, you have your league winner.

522
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:03,640
But then on the side, they have the League Cup, which is just another kind of mini tournament

523
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:09,240
that you highlight like the top eight teams in the league in Italy, for example.

524
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:14,400
And the significance for the Italian League is that the winner of the Italian Cup earns

525
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,000
a berth to Champions League the next year.

526
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:23,200
So even if you don't win your league title in certain leagues, if the league is strong

527
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,740
enough, you you can earn your berth through your cup.

528
00:31:26,740 --> 00:31:33,960
So this was very significant to heavy hitters in Conigliano and Milano.

529
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:38,500
And wow, this is what I've been needing.

530
00:31:38,500 --> 00:31:42,800
What is the difference between this league and the leagues we've been watching?

531
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:50,960
The middles were so good and the outsides like you cannot compare.

532
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:51,960
You can't compare.

533
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,620
I if you have volleyball world TV, check it out.

534
00:31:55,620 --> 00:31:57,880
They have all the games archived.

535
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,840
But OK, let's dive in.

536
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:05,000
So the first set epic is the word that comes to mind.

537
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,120
It was incredible.

538
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,000
We're talking 3735.

539
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:16,600
It was a shootout in a different way than the men's match.

540
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:23,440
It's still terminal, but the defense and the ability to extend rallies was incredible to

541
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:29,860
watch because you have two amazing opposites on those teams and Paulo Iganu and Hawk will

542
00:32:29,860 --> 00:32:34,760
be familiar with Hawk Sister, who's playing in love.

543
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:41,040
And they were going back and forth in that first set, but the Libero's for both teams

544
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,000
were also incredible extending rallies.

545
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,640
I thought the outer system setting from both liberos.

546
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,160
Oh my gosh was absolutely incredible.

547
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,840
And actually one of the things that I thought was a major difference between that match

548
00:32:54,840 --> 00:33:00,080
and watching kind of the outer system setting in some of the American leagues.

549
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,420
You want to know if a libero is good.

550
00:33:02,420 --> 00:33:08,080
You want to know what makes a top level libero consistent setting.

551
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,560
The hitters should not look like their rhythm is disrupted.

552
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:18,660
And these two liberos were so good at setting out of system like chefs kiss on that.

553
00:33:18,660 --> 00:33:22,800
The other thing that I loved from a high level standpoint of watching this match was the

554
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,320
adjustments that were happening.

555
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,980
Lineup adjustments, player adjustments.

556
00:33:27,980 --> 00:33:32,400
You could see the coaches talking to the teams about where we want you to stand, what the

557
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:37,960
block looks like, how they wanted to defend certain players in different rotations.

558
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:42,240
It just the whole thing was more professional.

559
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,720
And I are execution.

560
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,120
It was incredible.

561
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:52,000
And if you get a chance to watch the match, to me, the difference was really in the execution

562
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,940
of Milano versus putting Liano at the end of that set.

563
00:33:55,940 --> 00:34:03,800
It was so neck and neck down the stretch, but at the end of the day, Milano made 11

564
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,880
errors to Kenegliano's four in that first set alone.

565
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,180
And most of them were serving errors.

566
00:34:10,180 --> 00:34:15,060
They missed a ton of serves in that set just and they needed to go after it to apply pressure

567
00:34:15,060 --> 00:34:18,600
on Kenegliano because they were siding out at such a high level.

568
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,760
But well, that was honestly that was their chance.

569
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:27,800
Because in set one, Gabi was not in a good attacking rhythm.

570
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:28,800
No.

571
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,920
Volosh kept setting her inside.

572
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:38,840
We know Gabi loves the open the shoulders to the angle and snap it quick line.

573
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:43,720
She was being put in a box because they also had her matched up with a Gono.

574
00:34:43,720 --> 00:34:49,880
That is not a great match up because not only was Gabi having trouble scoring.

575
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,400
Couldn't stop her.

576
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,560
But she couldn't stop a Gono either.

577
00:34:54,560 --> 00:35:01,520
Paola was hitting the tips of Gabi's fingers down the line into the five, six seam.

578
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:07,760
And it was just like that match up was, I think, the difference in that first set.

579
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,240
And Milano needed to take advantage of having that match up.

580
00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:11,720
They had a set point too.

581
00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:12,880
They had a set point.

582
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,560
They messed it up.

583
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,480
If you watch the match, you'll know why.

584
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,960
We'll get into it.

585
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,840
Anna's favorite player was on the court.

586
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,280
Never to be seen again after that.

587
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:26,680
She messed up big time.

588
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:27,680
Yeah.

589
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:28,680
OK.

590
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,640
Long story short, a Gono got a perfect out of system set.

591
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,720
A Gono was in the back row.

592
00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:41,560
And Anna Smreck decided the set was for her and backed up to hit it and got blocked by

593
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:42,560
Gabi.

594
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,040
That was set point.

595
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:45,040
Get out of the way.

596
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:46,040
OK.

597
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,000
When a Gono is on the court, they're getting her the ball.

598
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,720
Just like know your role.

599
00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:52,560
That's all I have to say.

600
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:58,400
But it became way more one sided after that because Gabi found her hitting rhythm.

601
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:03,440
For Konigliano in the first set, the middles and Hawk were unbelievably good.

602
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,680
And both left sides, like you said, struggled.

603
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:10,360
And then once they found their rhythm, all five players were firing on all cylinders.

604
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:11,960
Milano just couldn't keep up.

605
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,440
A Gono did her best to keep her team in it.

606
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,440
But they didn't get enough production from the rest of the players.

607
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:22,920
A Gono made errors down the stretch between her and Hawk.

608
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:27,120
Well, statistically, she made nine and Hawk made eight.

609
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,160
But Hawk was better at the end of the first set.

610
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:35,040
And a Gono was making errors in set two and set three.

611
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,640
She kept going for that sharp angle and missing.

612
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:43,320
So I think the head to head between those two, Hawk lit it up because she also found

613
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,800
her spin serve after set one.

614
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,520
Set one was kind of tragic.

615
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:48,840
I don't think she got a serve in.

616
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:49,840
She couldn't get one in.

617
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:54,320
But then she found it literally at the very end of set one.

618
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:55,540
Got an ace.

619
00:36:55,540 --> 00:36:56,540
To put them ahead, I think.

620
00:36:56,540 --> 00:36:59,280
And then was unstoppable.

621
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:04,720
It took Konigliano a little bit of time to find the rhythm at the beginning of that match.

622
00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:06,600
But after that, they just rolled.

623
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,120
They're impressive at every single position.

624
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:14,160
And I actually, so I mean, a Gono obviously played well.

625
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,360
She's their best player on that team.

626
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,440
I really liked their middle Dineze.

627
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:22,800
I thought she did a really good job and she's in a really important piece for them.

628
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,240
I liked she's a very good blocker.

629
00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:28,920
I like how she works to get open to be able to score points.

630
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,800
She finds the gaps in the blocks really well.

631
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,840
She I was really impressed watching her play.

632
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,640
I also love Miriam Silla.

633
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:37,640
She's got some sass.

634
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,060
She's got some attitude.

635
00:37:40,060 --> 00:37:41,060
You know what?

636
00:37:41,060 --> 00:37:42,400
I love somebody with personality.

637
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:49,480
I actually played with Silla and Dineze when they were young on my Italian team and she

638
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,840
had attitude back then.

639
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,800
And I love to see it even as they're older.

640
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:56,800
It's fantastic.

641
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:01,600
I was going to ask you who which setter do you think was better?

642
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:06,280
I personally think Alessia Oro, the setter for Milano was better.

643
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:11,560
I think Volosh is I mean, she's older.

644
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:17,020
She's not as mobile, but I think she's just you know what you're going to get with her.

645
00:38:17,020 --> 00:38:19,280
I think she ran the middle very well.

646
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:24,920
I didn't love she like I said before, she was hanging the in the outside sets inside

647
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,840
for Gabi too much in my opinion.

648
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,400
But I think Oro ran a better offense.

649
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:38,060
But I think Conigliano is just so experienced and so stacked that they were able to make

650
00:38:38,060 --> 00:38:39,840
the necessary adjustments.

651
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,240
I think that's a fair assessment.

652
00:38:41,240 --> 00:38:45,880
I also agree that she ran overall a better offense.

653
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:50,960
And if Milano was going to win that match, they need more production from more players

654
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,880
for me specifically their left sides.

655
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:58,640
I didn't think their left sides matched up well in terms of point production.

656
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:03,000
Well Dowder up the Dutch left side for Milano.

657
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:13,040
She was scoring deep angle pretty well early in the match, and then that Conigliano figured

658
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:14,160
it out.

659
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:18,640
And then the left the six back would just slide over and pick it up.

660
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,840
They made a good defensive adjustments once they once they saw what she was going to do

661
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,240
and then she was like not as effective.

662
00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:27,040
She only had seven points on the match.

663
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:28,400
And they took that away from her.

664
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:34,160
I was just thoroughly impressed with Conigliano's game plan with how they adjusted with what

665
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:35,280
they were looking at.

666
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,880
I also really liked how they ran Hawk out of different places in the back row.

667
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:44,080
And sometimes she's out at the pin moving in she hit the pipe.

668
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:49,080
That just puts so much stress on a block defense because you have to watch her from the back

669
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,540
row all the time and find your hitter in the front row.

670
00:39:52,540 --> 00:39:54,560
It's very challenging when they do that well.

671
00:39:54,560 --> 00:40:00,200
I think one of the other for me difference makers was Conigliano's passing.

672
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,920
Gabi is a very good passer.

673
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:07,880
Ju Ting, while she's not the most offensive player anymore, and she's not quite as physical

674
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:13,280
as she used to be, their ball control along with their libero, they're in system all the

675
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:14,280
time.

676
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:15,280
Their middle is always a threat.

677
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,680
Hawk can move around because they know where everything is going to be.

678
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:19,920
They just don't have any faults.

679
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,080
They're incredible to watch.

680
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:26,700
Something that I really appreciated watching this match, and I think that is another difference

681
00:40:26,700 --> 00:40:33,760
between this and love is just how hard the middles work.

682
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,800
They do not take a break.

683
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:43,560
You'll see sometimes in love or PVF, like if a middle can't make it, they'll stop or

684
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,600
in transition, they won't get up.

685
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,040
No, these middles are sprinting.

686
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:53,500
They are making sure that they are an option on every single opportunity, whether it's

687
00:40:53,500 --> 00:40:55,080
transition or otherwise.

688
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:56,360
They are closing the block.

689
00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:02,320
The speed that you see from them laterally at that level, the fact that these middles

690
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:08,800
are able to close blocks the way that they are with the speed and skill of these offenses

691
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,240
is so impressive.

692
00:41:11,240 --> 00:41:15,840
So I think that that was a big difference watching between the leagues as well.

693
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,180
Those middles were machines.

694
00:41:17,180 --> 00:41:22,520
Some of those rallies, everybody, when everybody's exhausted on the floor, you know that the

695
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,600
middles are twice as exhausted because they've done more work than absolutely anybody.

696
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,220
It's very impressive to see.

697
00:41:29,220 --> 00:41:35,320
If we look at the match as a whole, I think Conegliano is just a better team.

698
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:39,680
And I think specifically on the left side of the court, they're better.

699
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,200
The match was very competitive.

700
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,960
I know the scores in the last couple of sets weren't quite as close as the first set, but

701
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:50,400
it was still watching felt like Milano had a chance.

702
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:51,840
They were in the matches.

703
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,400
Conegliano was just able to score more points.

704
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,520
I thought they were better in transition.

705
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:02,320
I thought they had more opportunities based off their adjustments in that match.

706
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:08,320
And once Hawk got her serve going, she was able to generate quite a few points from there.

707
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,640
And they're just an incredible team to watch.

708
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,080
I'm sure they're in the running for a Champions League title this year.

709
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:15,160
Oh, 100%.

710
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:20,720
I think the Italian players that Milano have are outstanding.

711
00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:26,720
I think the balance is tipped for sure in Conegliano's favor with the foreign players

712
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:27,720
they brought in.

713
00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:28,720
Yes.

714
00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:31,200
I don't think that there is a comparison between the foreigners.

715
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:37,160
And while I do think that the Italians on the Milano side are so good, there's just

716
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,760
that extra piece missing from the foreign side.

717
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:46,760
So overall, outstanding match, I highly encourage you guys to check it out if you have volleyball

718
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,240
world TV.

719
00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:54,480
But Conegliano, 3-0, decisive, but that first set, baby, that was exciting.

720
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,260
It was great volleyball.

721
00:42:56,260 --> 00:42:59,800
So we've had the PVF All-Star team selection.

722
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,680
We're going to give you our thoughts on the actual selection and who we thought maybe

723
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:07,600
was left off the list that we would have put on.

724
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:12,760
And why the heck do they have Jalen Rose and Sean Johnson hosting the All-Star game?

725
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:13,960
What about volleyball people?

726
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,480
I'm so confused about these choices.

727
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:23,920
Like the promos and the amount of advertising they're doing, like Sean Johnson East, an

728
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,640
Olympian in gymnastics is hosting the All-Star game.

729
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,880
Like, does she know anything about volleyball?

730
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,880
Does Jalen Rose know anything about volleyball?

731
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:36,040
I'm just very confused about those decisions, first of all.

732
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:41,240
I hope that they have enough of a following that people will tune in and maybe learn about

733
00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:42,240
the league.

734
00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:43,640
I'm guessing that's what this is about.

735
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:47,440
You're bringing in personalities to kind of talk about it.

736
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,080
We'll see if it works or not.

737
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,280
Yeah, I'm not a fan.

738
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:58,480
But okay, what are your thoughts on the people who were selected?

739
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:03,800
Apparently, okay, it was a combination of fan voting.

740
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:09,440
Then the league kind of also stepped in and was looking at stats.

741
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,440
And that's what they kind of alluded to on the website.

742
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,460
So it wasn't completely fan voted.

743
00:44:15,460 --> 00:44:18,880
The league definitely massaged some things.

744
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:23,440
Well, I mean, when you have teams that maybe have a bigger fan base than other ones and

745
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,780
you're looking at strict voting, people are going to vote for the players that they see

746
00:44:26,780 --> 00:44:28,120
the most often that they like.

747
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:33,040
So hence Columbus having one player on the list when they should probably have zero.

748
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:34,040
Right.

749
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,200
And so I get that the league is kind of trying to get a hybrid.

750
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,780
You want a good representation, you want everyone to pay attention.

751
00:44:40,780 --> 00:44:47,760
My question is if they were looking at the stats and the eye test from my opinion, where

752
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:48,760
is Natalie Foster?

753
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,480
Did they give her a vacation?

754
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,480
Does she not have to go?

755
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:58,040
Because I think she would have been maybe one of the first on my list to choose.

756
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,080
We're talking about she's first in hitting percentage.

757
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:05,640
She's attacked on 156 balls and still has the highest hitting percentage.

758
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:10,440
She's first in aces and she's sixth in blocks.

759
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,080
Where is she on the list?

760
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,960
Because that to me was the biggest head scratcher and the biggest snub.

761
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:25,160
I do feel like they really wanted award winners from last season to make sure they were there.

762
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:29,600
So like Kaz Brown was like named best middle blocker last year.

763
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:30,600
So she got picked.

764
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:35,320
I don't know how she's doing this season, but like maybe replace her or Maren Grode

765
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:39,440
is doing okay, but like maybe replace her.

766
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:43,120
Like Ronika Stone is playing a huge role for San Diego.

767
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,960
Caitlin Hoard, I know she's putting up good blocking numbers.

768
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:48,960
Corey Lewis is playing well.

769
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:55,000
But like, I'm like, how much did you prioritize award winners from last year to kind of like

770
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:56,080
highlight them?

771
00:45:56,080 --> 00:46:01,000
You know, I that to me was when I looked at the list, the biggest surprise and the first

772
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,560
thing that jumped out to me because I, I personally like her as a player.

773
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:09,440
I think she brings all kinds of different dimensions to her team and I think she's effective

774
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,240
in multiple parts of the game.

775
00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:17,920
I was actually surprised that Dayoung Lee wasn't on the list.

776
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,960
Like looking at the setters that are there.

777
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:24,480
I probably you guys know how I've been feeling about Sydney Hilly this season.

778
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:31,160
I don't think she's been, I know she's leading in assists and whatever, but like I'm not

779
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:35,960
loving her offense and August Rasky, like yeah, she's a little unconventional.

780
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:43,880
She's she hits on too a lot, but I think Lee is a better setter than both of those players,

781
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:45,360
particularly Rasky.

782
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:49,220
Natalie Foster was definitely the one that stuck out for me.

783
00:46:49,220 --> 00:46:54,860
The other two players as I kind of went through the stats and looked at it who I can see the

784
00:46:54,860 --> 00:46:59,920
cases made for both of these next players, but I think probably should have been included.

785
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:02,040
The first one would be Kendra Delky.

786
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,040
Yeah, that one is surprising to me.

787
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,800
She's fifth overall in kills, eighth overall in points.

788
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:15,040
She's having a really good season and I was surprised she was left off the list.

789
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:19,080
Oh, she is having a great season.

790
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:26,000
She's on top of everything for San Diego, like her and Ronika Stone, like kind of like

791
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,000
set the foundation for that team.

792
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,280
So I was very surprised that she was left off the list.

793
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,560
I would be curious to know exactly what the selection criteria are.

794
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:41,640
I'm curious and I'm not on social media, but is there a portion of advertising for the

795
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:42,640
league?

796
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,400
Did they take that into consideration?

797
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,920
Like you said, past award winners or are these two athletes just not fan favorites?

798
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:49,920
Either.

799
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:54,720
So, I mean, if you're going to say that you're focusing on stats, then there's no excuse.

800
00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:55,720
Do you know what I'm saying?

801
00:47:55,720 --> 00:47:56,720
Yeah.

802
00:47:56,720 --> 00:48:00,320
If it was just fan voting, then sure.

803
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:01,320
Makes sense.

804
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:02,560
Maybe she's not a fan favorite.

805
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:08,560
Maybe she flies under people's radar, but from a statistical standpoint, how is she

806
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:09,560
left off the list?

807
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:14,160
Well, and that's the curiosity for me is are we weighing fan vote like 80-20?

808
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:15,160
Is it 50-50?

809
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:19,800
Megan Courtney-Lush was put on the list from Columbus because, I mean, it's clear they

810
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,160
wanted representation from every team.

811
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:27,680
So maybe she was on the list, but then they're like, no, we need somebody from Columbus here.

812
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,680
You're getting bumped.

813
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:31,680
Yeah, fair enough.

814
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:35,960
So that's kind of the final one for me is Nina Cajic.

815
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:40,920
I think she's also having a good season, not a great season.

816
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,820
She's the last one on my list who was like, ah, she could have been put in there.

817
00:48:43,820 --> 00:48:48,160
But again, ninth overall in aces, she's effective from the service line.

818
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,720
She's ninth overall in kills, eighth overall in points.

819
00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:58,340
She's having a solid season and she definitely could be in the conversation to also be included

820
00:48:58,340 --> 00:48:59,340
on these teams.

821
00:48:59,340 --> 00:49:05,640
I mean, when I look through the list, another player that I'm kind of like, I'm not a fan,

822
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,120
why are they on the list?

823
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,020
Is Azani Teeler.

824
00:49:10,020 --> 00:49:14,120
She has not impressed me at all this season.

825
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:19,500
And as an opposite, she's, I don't think I've ever seen her score from the pin.

826
00:49:19,500 --> 00:49:23,920
The only time that she's scoring is when they're running combo plays, not to mention she's

827
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,200
kind of a liability at the net blocking wise.

828
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,580
I think Dalky should have been there before her.

829
00:49:30,580 --> 00:49:36,240
I understand it's an outside opposite type of thing, but like, yeah, Teeler for me, no.

830
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:39,760
Teeler is statistically pretty good.

831
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:40,760
I hate that.

832
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:47,080
And I think that she's a fan favorite on what she brings when she's on the court.

833
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:54,540
So I'm not going to disagree with you from your personal standpoint, but from a statistics

834
00:49:54,540 --> 00:49:57,880
and fan favorite standpoint, I definitely understand why she's there.

835
00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:58,880
Well, okay.

836
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:03,880
Another one that might be a similar situation is Hannah Maddox.

837
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,560
When I watched her play, I was like, absolutely not.

838
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:11,000
I thought that there are definitely stronger players.

839
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,720
So there are definitely some question marks I have here.

840
00:50:13,720 --> 00:50:20,820
When I look at the list as a whole, I can see how a case could be made for the majority.

841
00:50:20,820 --> 00:50:25,680
But if I were to get picky, the ones that we've talked about and that I just brought

842
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:29,560
up are the ones that I would probably put question marks beside.

843
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:33,880
I hope that Natalie Foster and Kendra Dalky got a paid vacation for being left off that

844
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:35,920
list.

845
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,000
Those two for me are the head scratchers.

846
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:39,000
Did you guys vote?

847
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:45,200
I know a lot of you enjoy PVF, so I'm sure there were some voting happening.

848
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,800
And how much, I'm curious how much the league did weigh in.

849
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:49,800
Yeah.

850
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,760
I am generally not a fan of All-Star weekends.

851
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:54,760
No, I hate them.

852
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:55,760
In general.

853
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,320
It was always like my nightmare playing in a league.

854
00:50:58,320 --> 00:50:59,720
And they're like, you made the All-Star weekend.

855
00:50:59,720 --> 00:51:03,760
I would find any reason to get out of it.

856
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,520
My knee sore, my shoulder sore.

857
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,800
I need a rest.

858
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,120
It's not like I did not find them fun.

859
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:12,840
So I was like, get me out of here.

860
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:14,360
I do not want to participate.

861
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:15,360
Like, bye.

862
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,740
I think it's fun if you're there.

863
00:51:17,740 --> 00:51:23,560
It's a cool chance for fans to engage with athletes if they do a good job of hosting

864
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:28,480
the event from a pure volleyball standpoint, kind of don't care about it from an athlete

865
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:29,480
standpoint.

866
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:34,640
The only thing I could ever think of is like, if I get injured playing this pointless, stupid

867
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:38,240
match with people I've never played with, I will kill myself.

868
00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:39,240
That's all I can think about.

869
00:51:39,240 --> 00:51:42,360
Like, this is not worth a potential injury for me.

870
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:43,360
Yeah.

871
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,480
I hope they do a good job.

872
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:50,320
I hope that the fans are there and enjoy it because that's what it's all about.

873
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,640
I will probably tune in and see what's up.

874
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,480
I'd be so mad and say, Natalie Foster should be there.

875
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:58,480
Well, yeah.

876
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:04,360
But I will say All-Star games in general for most sports that I follow, not my favorite

877
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:05,360
time.

878
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:10,160
We had a massive list of listener questions this week, you guys.

879
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:11,160
Wow.

880
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:12,160
Thank you.

881
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:13,640
So I picked out a few.

882
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:18,320
The first one is, so basically a few weeks ago we talked about what it means to have

883
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:25,440
a disciplined block and a listener wrote in asking if swing blocking can be considered

884
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:32,580
disciplined because based on our definition, they were like, it doesn't look like swing

885
00:52:32,580 --> 00:52:36,120
blocking fits the disciplined block definition.

886
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,440
Do you want to take that one?

887
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:40,440
Sure.

888
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:45,120
So the listener was obviously really paying attention to what we said in terms of, and

889
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:49,220
I'm going to go ahead and guess that it's about being square, being set, hands coming

890
00:52:49,220 --> 00:52:54,800
over the net and not drifting, I think is probably the big confusion point.

891
00:52:54,800 --> 00:53:00,720
Now when you look at swing blocking, your momentum is generally going to carry you a

892
00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:04,320
little bit to the side as you make your motion and go and press.

893
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:09,540
The key with swing blocking is that all of the blockers timing is in line and that your

894
00:53:09,540 --> 00:53:12,400
press is done at the same time.

895
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:17,600
So what you sometimes see is the outside blocker will drift too far or farther than the middle

896
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:19,520
and open up a seam.

897
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:23,040
That's where the discipline comes in from a swing block standpoint.

898
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:28,320
You want to be able to see all of the hands go over the net and form essentially a wall

899
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:29,320
together.

900
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,800
You want your defense to trust that there's no hole in the middle of the block so that

901
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:33,980
they can play around it.

902
00:53:33,980 --> 00:53:39,120
So even if both players drift a little bit, the goal is to not open up that seam and the

903
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:42,860
swing blocks allows you to be a little bit faster, get a little bit higher.

904
00:53:42,860 --> 00:53:46,920
And if your eye work is really good, press that timing to get the ball to go to the floor

905
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:47,920
better.

906
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,240
I mean, at a high level swing blocking is discipline.

907
00:53:51,240 --> 00:53:56,720
I think it can definitely be undisciplined if the players are younger or not trained

908
00:53:56,720 --> 00:53:57,720
well.

909
00:53:57,720 --> 00:53:58,880
Yeah, that was an interesting question.

910
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,840
Yeah, I thought I was like, oh, okay, that makes a lot of sense given the definition

911
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:07,280
that we presented with normal blocking and what you'll see on some of the swing blocks.

912
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:13,320
But as long as they're in unison pressing at the same time and not opening up any seams

913
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,080
in the block, a swing block can definitely be disciplined.

914
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,360
Our next question is about Champions League.

915
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,940
I love this question.

916
00:54:20,940 --> 00:54:28,180
So the listener said you often see several Turkish teams and a lot of A1 teams perform

917
00:54:28,180 --> 00:54:30,900
well in the Champions League.

918
00:54:30,900 --> 00:54:36,760
How do you qualify for the league when there's no playing overlap between the A1 teams and

919
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:38,680
the Turkish League teams?

920
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,680
Do they end up playing during the regular season?

921
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:45,580
Chev Champions League, what you're saying is completely correct.

922
00:54:45,580 --> 00:54:49,760
There is no in season overlap between the leagues at all.

923
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:56,420
But what Champions League does and the reason you see several Turkish and Italian teams

924
00:54:56,420 --> 00:55:03,140
is because those leagues are stronger and the organization is rewarding the stronger

925
00:55:03,140 --> 00:55:07,140
leagues by giving more births to those countries.

926
00:55:07,140 --> 00:55:13,400
So in this year's edition of Champions League, we had three Italian teams, three Turkish

927
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,040
teams, three Polish teams.

928
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:25,320
Then we had two German teams, two French teams, and then one from several different countries.

929
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:34,320
If you win your league championship and you are one of the top leagues, so Turkey, Italy,

930
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:40,580
Poland, France, Germany, I would say those five predominantly, if you win your league,

931
00:55:40,580 --> 00:55:43,780
you automatically get a birth to Champions League.

932
00:55:43,780 --> 00:55:52,140
Then if you're in a top top league like Turkey and Italy, I believe Poland does this too.

933
00:55:52,140 --> 00:55:54,600
What we were talking about about the League Cup.

934
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:58,860
If you win that, you also get a birth to Champions League.

935
00:55:58,860 --> 00:56:03,360
If the same team wins both, then it goes to the second place team in the league.

936
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:09,940
This is why you see several teams from certain countries and not others.

937
00:56:09,940 --> 00:56:18,880
Now it is possible for leagues like Poland or Germany, France, the smaller countries

938
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:26,420
to bring their teams into the Champions League because they have early qualification rounds.

939
00:56:26,420 --> 00:56:31,860
So as viewers, we only really pay attention to what is considered round four.

940
00:56:31,860 --> 00:56:38,000
And that's when the 20 teams are established on the women's side, for example.

941
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,540
But the smaller leagues are the leagues that aren't as strong.

942
00:56:41,540 --> 00:56:46,920
They are competing with each other in October to be able to earn that birth.

943
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:51,000
So for example, Poland ended up with three teams in Champions League this year because

944
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:54,860
one of their teams snuck in through the early rounds.

945
00:56:54,860 --> 00:56:58,240
So they had their league winner there, their cup winner there, and they happened to get

946
00:56:58,240 --> 00:57:03,060
a third one in because that team snuck in through the early rounds.

947
00:57:03,060 --> 00:57:10,460
That's why you see like a team from Portugal or Montenegro or Serbia or Slovenia, Croatia,

948
00:57:10,460 --> 00:57:13,980
because those teams, they're not as strong.

949
00:57:13,980 --> 00:57:19,020
Those leagues are not as strong, but they want to give the opportunity to those teams

950
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without diluting the quality of play.

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I hope that explains it.

952
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The teams that do participate in the early qualifying rounds, if they don't make it to

953
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actual Champions League, they play in something called CHEV Cup, which is structured very

954
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similarly, but the level is closer to what they're able to adequately compete in.

955
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So hopefully that explained things.

956
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We are actually in the playoff rounds to determine the quarterfinalists.

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So some of those matches will actually be happening this week.

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Our third question is, which of the players from the US 2024 Paris roster do you think

959
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will be on the LA 2028 roster?

960
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:06,640
Another great question.

961
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This is a great question and obviously this is a very early look at what that might look

962
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like.

963
00:58:14,940 --> 00:58:18,980
There's still lots of time for athletes that decide they're no longer interested in the

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00:58:18,980 --> 00:58:21,180
lifestyle and want to retire.

965
00:58:21,180 --> 00:58:27,320
There's still time for women who are in college to make their international debut, but we'll

966
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:32,860
give you a way too early look at our roster thoughts for 2028.

967
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I already know looking at the 2024 roster, I already have who I think will be back.

968
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So one of the most interesting positions for me is the setting position.

969
00:58:45,420 --> 00:58:52,140
All of those athletes are, they've had a lot of experience and I know everybody's going

970
00:58:52,140 --> 00:58:55,920
to want to play at home, but what does that level look like?

971
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:59,680
How physical can they be and what does their game look like in four years?

972
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For me, this is a big question mark.

973
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I think Jordan Poulter is probably the most likely candidate to be back.

974
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She is on my list of like, I think she'll be back.

975
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:20,720
The other big question mark for me is you have a brand new staff and what style are

976
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:21,720
they going to play?

977
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:22,960
Who are they going to favor?

978
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:24,700
What do their favorite athletes look like?

979
00:59:24,700 --> 00:59:26,880
What are the criteria they're looking for?

980
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:32,000
So all of this has a big question mark as Eric Sullivan kind of molds his teams and

981
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looks at where the game is going to go and what he wants to accomplish.

982
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I think Avery Skinner is going to be on the team.

983
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:40,920
That for me is pretty much a lock.

984
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:44,600
Justine Wong-Aranthis will probably stick it out.

985
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,240
Dana Retke would be a lock for me.

986
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:49,760
Catherine Plummer would be a lock for me.

987
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:54,100
Chiaka Ogbagu is a lock for me.

988
00:59:54,100 --> 00:59:58,920
Those would be the ones Jordan Thompson for me is...

989
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,200
She's my like, unsure.

990
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:02,400
I would agree with you.

991
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:07,920
The ones that I'm least sure about are actually Poulter and Thompson, but the ones that Adam

992
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:11,400
mentioned are the ones that I'm like, yes, I think they'll be on the roster.

993
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:17,280
Yeah, those players from the last roster would be the ones that I think are locks.

994
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:22,100
Our final question for the week is a beach volleyball question.

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01:00:22,100 --> 01:00:26,840
What are your thoughts on the new AVP schedule and the league?

996
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:32,080
Like I said before, I have not been following beach volleyball because indoor has always

997
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:40,680
been more of my thing, but I think that the AVP has taken a serious, serious dip in the

998
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:45,800
last few years, ever since Donald Sun sold it.

999
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:49,480
I am personally not a fan of the new schedule and the league.

1000
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:53,560
I think the league is just sad to me.

1001
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:58,280
If you see photos or if you have watched, there's literally like a dozen people in the

1002
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:02,760
stands, which I think is doing a complete disservice to the sport.

1003
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:08,760
Not to mention they were trying to move them into like stadiums and do indoor stuff too.

1004
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:16,680
I think the league is decreasing accessibility for fans and athletes, and I think it's a

1005
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:19,440
really bad idea.

1006
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:21,480
I've talked to several athletes.

1007
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:26,280
The ones who are guaranteed a spot in the league are really happy about the guaranteed

1008
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:27,280
income.

1009
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:34,360
All of the other athletes are pretty upset or unhappy with the lack of opportunity and

1010
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:39,280
being able to play and to really have a chance to kind of earn their berth week in and week

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01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:40,520
out.

1012
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:45,760
I think that I understand they're trying to make a product and find a way to make beach

1013
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,860
volleyball make sense financially.

1014
01:01:48,860 --> 01:01:53,320
Even when they were running big tournaments, it wasn't making money.

1015
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:57,880
You need to be able to do that, but from a fan perspective and from an athlete perspective,

1016
01:01:57,880 --> 01:01:59,880
I'm not a fan of the schedule.

1017
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:05,600
It's definitely limiting the pool of athletes.

1018
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:06,940
Is that a bad thing?

1019
01:02:06,940 --> 01:02:07,940
I don't know.

1020
01:02:07,940 --> 01:02:09,180
It's a professional sport.

1021
01:02:09,180 --> 01:02:11,960
If you want to make money, only the strong survive.

1022
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:12,960
That's part of it.

1023
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:14,100
I get it.

1024
01:02:14,100 --> 01:02:16,880
I just think it's not interesting.

1025
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:18,460
That is the thing for me.

1026
01:02:18,460 --> 01:02:24,480
You have three tournaments for the opportunity to qualify for this league.

1027
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:31,080
I think a lot of people really look forward to the traditional stops as they were throughout

1028
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:32,180
the summer.

1029
01:02:32,180 --> 01:02:40,120
People would plan their summer around following the AVP around and it was an experience.

1030
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:43,500
From that perspective, I think it's really sad.

1031
01:02:43,500 --> 01:02:44,920
I understand.

1032
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:52,160
Trust me, if you play beach volleyball, not everybody's cut out to be a professional.

1033
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:57,440
I understand limiting the number of people who can legitimately make money at it.

1034
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:05,560
I get it, but it's just completely lost its draw and its interest to me in this new format.

1035
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:10,600
Looking forward to this week, the Love Head to Head match is on Friday at 7.30 p.m. Eastern

1036
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:12,680
between Atlanta and Madison.

1037
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:15,800
I think we all know what's going to happen in that match.

1038
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:22,260
The weekend with Love is in Austin, except on the website it's listed as midweek, Wednesday

1039
01:03:22,260 --> 01:03:24,040
and Thursday.

1040
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:28,140
Those matches can be seen on Love Live and Dazone.

1041
01:03:28,140 --> 01:03:33,760
The website looks like it is inaccurate just based off the schedule that we've become accustomed

1042
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:36,040
to.

1043
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:37,880
Keep your eyes on the website.

1044
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:38,880
I'm guessing they're going to update it.

1045
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:43,280
The Head to Head is usually Wednesday and they have it listed as Friday.

1046
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:44,280
Then there's no matches.

1047
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:47,440
Then there's actually no matches on Saturday.

1048
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:51,640
Unless they couldn't get a venue or the schedule was changed intentionally, it's just different

1049
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:53,000
than it was.

1050
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:55,760
If you're looking forward to those ones, keep an eye on the website.

1051
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:58,360
Maybe Love Socials to see what's going on.

1052
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:04,560
In the NCAA men's action, UCLA and UC Irvine are going head to head this week on Wednesday

1053
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:08,800
at 9 p.m. Eastern and on Saturday at 8 p.m. Eastern.

1054
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:11,840
You've got another exciting high level men's match.

1055
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:15,880
I'm actually calling that game on Saturday everybody if you want to tune in.

1056
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:17,680
So that one will be a lot of fun.

1057
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:21,880
I will be there in person and again you're going to have some great volleyball and we'll

1058
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:27,520
see if UCLA can find some rhythm against UC Irvine as they've struggled against top ranked

1059
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:28,800
teams so far.

1060
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:34,520
Grand Canyon and Long Beach State play Friday at 10 o'clock p.m. Eastern and then on Saturday

1061
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:39,540
at 1 30 p.m. Eastern we have the PVF All-Star match in Indianapolis.

1062
01:04:39,540 --> 01:04:43,200
You can watch that match on CBS Sports.

1063
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:47,320
If you want to check out some of the overseas leagues that we've been talking about, Volleyball

1064
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:51,400
World TV shows those matches from several different leagues and they're all archived

1065
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:53,660
so you don't have to watch them live.

1066
01:04:53,660 --> 01:04:58,160
It's really a great platform and well worth the subscription fee but it's a great way

1067
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:03,200
to follow both those pro leagues and then international volleyball as well.

1068
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:08,560
We had a great comment from a listener that we list all the matches for reference later

1069
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:13,040
on the YouTube channel in the description so that everybody can find them.

1070
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:18,440
We will do that moving forward and then from there everybody will know what we're watching.

1071
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:21,960
You'll have a quick link to it and you can use that for a reference point.

1072
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:25,280
So thanks for the suggestion and we'll do that moving forward.

1073
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:30,960
And if we're feeling particularly frisky we may post it on Instagram which I do some weeks

1074
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:33,160
and some weeks I don't.

1075
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:35,880
That concludes this week's episode of Volley Talk.

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01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:39,440
There's always something shaking in the volleyball world and we hope you enjoyed this little

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01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:40,440
fix.

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01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:44,520
Be sure to follow the show so you don't miss any updates and we'd be so grateful if you'd

1079
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:46,640
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01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:51,400
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1081
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:55,080
If you have a topic that you want us to discuss be sure to let us know by reaching out to

1082
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:59,640
us on Instagram or at info at Sarah pavin dot com.

1083
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Thanks so much for joining us and we'll be back next week.