1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,320 Hi volleyball fans and welcome back to volley talk the podcast created for volleyball lovers who want to dig deep into what is going on 2 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:11,760 in NCAA and international volleyball. I'm your host Sarah pavin 3 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:18,800 I'm an Olympian beach volleyball world champion former Nebraska corn husker and a longtime pro both indoor and on the beach 4 00:00:19,080 --> 00:00:26,000 And I'm Adam Schultz former indoor player international volleyball coach and stats guru. I love that name for you 5 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:32,240 It was a wild week in NCAA volleyball and we're excited to share our thoughts on some key matches in 6 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:38,280 Particular a couple of interesting ones from the big 12 and the big 10. Let's get started 7 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:43,840 Like we said, it was a little bit of a wild week this week in NCAA volleyball 8 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:52,360 To kick things off number 25 Auburn will likely drop out of the top 25 rankings because they lost to two 9 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:56,040 Unranked opponents they lost in five to Alabama 10 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:03,640 And then number 20 Auburn will likely drop out of the top 25 rankings because they lost to two 11 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:10,680 Unranked opponents they lost in five to Alabama and in four to Tennessee 12 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:17,000 So I think we're gonna see a switch up at the bottom of those top 25 rankings this week number 24 13 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:21,360 Byu beat number 20, Utah 3-2 in what was another 14 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:27,700 Interesting match well surprisingly Utah had their two lowest hitting percentages in the sets 15 00:01:27,700 --> 00:01:31,880 They won hitting 191 and 130 and sets 2 & 3 respectively 16 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:37,160 Byu had their lowest hitting percentage in those sets as well, but that makes a little more sense given that they lost 17 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,640 Yeah, that's pretty wild when I was looking at the stats 18 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:43,520 I'm like you literally won the two sets where you hit the worst 19 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:49,840 Well, it was also interesting because Utah had a higher hitting percentage as a team in the fifth set as well and 20 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,360 Still lost that match 21 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:58,680 So I mean there were other things going on. They had 17 service errors. They were out blocked 22 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:06,760 They dug roughly the same, but they they were just more error prone at key times than Byu was 23 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:12,520 We saw a lot of swings in momentum in that match and especially at the end of the fifth set 24 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:19,160 I recall Utah being up 10-7 and then it was like 13-10 or something like that 25 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:27,320 Yeah, and for me the biggest part of that story was Utah's outside hitters went 145 on 110 sets 26 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:34,840 That's just not gonna cut it because you had Claire Little for Byu hitting 289 on 50 swings 27 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,840 That's fair. Claire Little and Ellie Mortenson did lead the way for Byu 28 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,880 They had 18 and 17 and a half points respectively 29 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:49,480 We saw the same point totals from the top two scores for Utah as well in Emre Satuwala and Cameron Gabadlo 30 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:55,960 But as we said the point swings the lack of consistency. I think it kind of told the story there 31 00:02:55,960 --> 00:03:03,880 The other thing that I think is so crazy was how high Byu and Utah were passing 32 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:10,120 Well knowing that the Byu coach was a protege of the Utah coach it kind of made sense 33 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:15,880 But the sheer number of overpasses in that match from both sides which doesn't really show up on 34 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:20,520 the stat line anywhere was staggering and that's a byproduct of trying to pass like that 35 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:28,360 Like if you're passing with tempo it allows for a little more wiggle room as far as precision goes 36 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:33,800 on the pass when you're trying to make your pass hit such a high peak and then fall perfectly at 37 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:39,800 that two and a half position it's hard. Well and Utah specifically had a tough time getting their 38 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:44,760 middles going and I attribute that to the high pass as well it's hard to find your timing 39 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:48,840 when you're looking for the ball and it's dropping and to be in the air at the right time 40 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:53,400 I don't understand the strategy but I don't know that those teams intimately enough to 41 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:59,640 criticize I suppose. Yeah I mean as you said the timing for the middle attackers on passes at high 42 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:06,120 are so challenging and we saw so many overpasses but it was an entertaining game nonetheless 43 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:13,800 the Byu fans were rowdy as ever so yeah love an in-state rivalry matchup. Lots of emotion 44 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:21,000 lots of cheering Byu fans were going crazy. In other news number three Penn State had a decisive 45 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:28,600 3-0 victory over number 14 Minnesota. I must admit I expected a lot more from this match but Penn 46 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:34,200 State just looked to be on a completely different level than Minnesota. Minnesota looked disjointed 47 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:40,840 they hardly ran the middle Julia Hanson had 11 kills and hit 345 for Minnesota but that's really 48 00:04:40,840 --> 00:04:45,720 the only bright spot offensively that was there for the Gophers. It just did not look smooth things 49 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:52,520 were not flowing as you said they had just one heck of a time running the middle defensively 50 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:59,240 they also they blocked decently well but I was I was disappointed I don't know I had such high hopes 51 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:04,360 because I saw Minnesota play Wisconsin earlier this year I saw them play Purdue there's a little 52 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:11,160 more firepower it's almost it looks just so flat. Well you kept expecting them to get it going like 53 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:16,360 they would have three or four good plays in a row and you would think okay they've got the momentum 54 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,480 you know this is going to stay close they're going to keep playing well and then they drop 55 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:25,480 four or five points in a row on on silly mistakes and they just never found any consistency in that 56 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:29,880 match. They're given how the match was going there was honestly no need for any big-time 57 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:36,040 production from anybody on Penn State but Jess Merzuch had 19 points and Karen Hanna had 12. 58 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:44,840 Their lowest hitting percentage in like each individual set was 233 which is very good but 59 00:05:44,840 --> 00:05:54,040 in the third set they hit 395 as a team. We were talking last week about Utah playing Baylor and 60 00:05:54,040 --> 00:06:01,720 having a 391 hitting percentage enough said 395 you are just like a well-oiled machine at that 61 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:07,080 time and you're basically unstoppable so that pretty much sums up the Penn State Minnesota match. 62 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:13,240 Another match that I was really excited for and had very high hopes was number one pit playing 63 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:18,760 number five Stanford. This match again was disappointing I thought there was going to be 64 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:27,720 more to it. Stanford did not look good they hit 065, 071, and 133 in their three sets. Those the 65 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,960 scores weren't even close. At least they were getting better set by set. I mean I think that's 66 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:41,480 the only if that's the takeaway that's the takeaway. On the flip side pit hit 308, 276, and 351. 67 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:46,040 It's not it's not even close and the scores dictated that there was there was no match there 68 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:52,200 to be seen. As the scores were rolling in I was just my jaw was hitting the floor. I thought that 69 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:59,240 this would be like a barn burner you know get oh I love a top 10 matchup give it to me all day. 70 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:06,760 This was a literal steamrolling. I mean Stanford they had one player who played well Jordan Harvey 71 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:15,240 hit 368 with 11 kills but their outside hitters nine kills 11 errors on 39 swings combined. You 72 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:19,720 just that's just not good enough when you're playing a top 10 matchup. Yeah you definitely 73 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:26,680 need more production from your outsides but Pitt was solid. Yeah I mean Babcock was good again 17 74 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:35,560 kills 361. Stafford was good 12 kills 208 and Kelly had four kills and seven block. Like they 75 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:40,440 were just solid all the way across their team. Honestly though I don't think that this loss will 76 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:45,560 really impact Stanford too much from a rankings perspective. I think they'll still be pretty high 77 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:52,200 up there. I mean you're you played the number one team in the country but I will say it was nice to 78 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:58,520 see Pitt come out and dominate after that questionable performance they had last week against SMU. 79 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:04,520 You could tell they like took it personally. They're like we are not messing around here and 80 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:10,840 that is what you expect from the number one team in the nation. Yeah and we talked about that match 81 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:16,520 against SMU being a maybe a bit of a wake-up call tuned things up and this was the perfect match to 82 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:23,960 do that. We also saw Wisconsin beat Oregon 3-1 and Boston College pushed Florida State to five this 83 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:31,320 week. Lots of fun stuff but it is time to take on our feature matches of the week which are Kansas 84 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:37,560 versus K-State and Ohio State versus Penn State. Our first feature match of the week takes us to 85 00:08:37,560 --> 00:08:43,960 the Big 12 where number eight Kansas played Kansas State in the Sunflower State Showdown. 86 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:51,240 I was skeptical of this match to get started. We had a number eight versus an unranked team 87 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:57,560 and you looked at me and said don't sleep on this match it's gonna be a good one. 100% that actually 88 00:08:57,560 --> 00:09:05,000 happened and I'm aging myself here but I played for Nebraska and they are in the Big 12. Don't 89 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:11,560 do the math thank you and I know how much the state of Kansas loves volleyball. Every time we 90 00:09:11,560 --> 00:09:18,680 went to play Kansas or K-State it was rowdy. The people were into it and so the fact that it's an 91 00:09:18,680 --> 00:09:27,000 in-state rivalry match I thought that it could be pretty spicy and it was because Kansas beat them 92 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:33,000 in a super tight match three to two. And not only was the match tight but all of the sets were 93 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:39,320 very close could have gone either way and honestly you never had any idea what was going to happen in 94 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:47,400 each set. I will say it was unfortunate each team had a player go down with an injury and you never 95 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:55,080 want to see that happen. Liz Grogorski for K-State went down in the second set. At the time she was 96 00:09:55,080 --> 00:10:05,960 leading the team in scoring and then in the fifth set Toyozi Onabonjo went down for KU. Both didn't 97 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:11,320 look great obviously we're hopeful that this is nothing serious for either player but you hate to 98 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:17,880 see that happen especially in such a tight match. Well and it was kind of crazy that both of them 99 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:24,360 were leading their teams in points when they went out. Grogorski had seven kills and nine points 100 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:34,040 total and Onabonjo was hitting 571 with 16 points and 14 kills. Interestingly the two middles were 101 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:40,200 the top scores for KU which in a five-set match you're kind of expecting that kind of production 102 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:45,320 from your outsides maybe your opposite but I thought it was really cool that Onabonjo 103 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:52,120 and Reese Patak were leading the way. And I think that that actually bodes well for them as a team 104 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:58,040 moving forward because if your middles are that much of a threat your outside should theoretically 105 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:05,080 have an easier night. And I will say I was specifically impressed with Patak who as a 106 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:14,680 freshman hit 533, 11 kills, 11 block assists for 16 and a half points and she she's going to be very 107 00:11:14,680 --> 00:11:21,640 good for a long time. I really liked her too. She made a couple of young maybe inexperienced 108 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:27,880 plays early. Caught up in the emotion of the match I think. Yeah you know she kind of tried to steal 109 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:33,800 a pass from the libero on a short serve at one point kind of you know shanked another one at 110 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:39,400 another point but she kind of she found her rhythm as the match progressed you could see her kind of 111 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:45,960 like getting more and more confident with each set as the match progressed and like was bringing 112 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:50,840 some fire and energy and you could see the older players on the court looking at her like 113 00:11:50,840 --> 00:12:00,360 okay I like this. I have nothing to base this on but she seems like a quiet person in general 114 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:07,240 and she was fired up by the end of the match. I honestly think that she could be very good. 115 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:14,440 She is very good obviously but I think if she continues to improve you will be hearing her name 116 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:20,680 consistently in coming years. The other thing that I thought is Regan Burns the libero. I thought 117 00:12:20,680 --> 00:12:28,440 that she played an excellent game. I don't think the stats adequately reflect how good she was though. 118 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:35,640 Her plays were timely. She would make a dig when they needed it. She would step in and pass balls 119 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:41,160 so that they could run the middle. I would agree with you. A couple tactical adjustments that I 120 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:48,520 respected from KU. Grigoryski for K-State was kind of going off in set one and she was scoring the 121 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:55,480 majority of her points just swinging really high over the setter down the line. I thought Kansas was 122 00:12:55,480 --> 00:13:01,800 really smart in set two. They immediately moved their setter away from her to put a bigger block 123 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:07,400 in front. I understand Grigoryski didn't finish the match but I thought that that was very smart 124 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:13,480 and they did it right away. Well I was interested to see when they made that adjustment in the 125 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:19,080 second set what was going to happen moving forward and if it was going to be a cat and a mouse move 126 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:23,800 for the rest of the match but unfortunately we didn't get to see how that played out. The other 127 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:32,120 thing that I thought they did really well was they switched out their second left side. So the 128 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:38,440 outside hitter number two and they had another outside who was coming in to serve and play 129 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:46,600 defense across the back row. So they started with Caroline BN attacking and Aya Ilnadi as the serving 130 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:52,600 and defensive sub. Partly through the match they completely flipped the script and had them switch 131 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:59,080 roles and Ilnadi started attacking and BN was coming in to serve. I thought that was really 132 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:06,680 smart. BN also was recruited as a defensive specialist so she has that background but to 133 00:14:06,680 --> 00:14:12,920 make that kind of heads up play and to make such a drastic switch I thought it paid off 134 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:17,160 because Ilnadi was pretty clutch down the stretch. I think that that was a really heads up play by 135 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:21,480 the coaching staff. You really have to know your players and where they're going to excel and to 136 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:26,600 move someone from being serving and defensive specialist and then expecting them to hit. I 137 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:31,720 know the players come in as left sides DS's but to switch that role in the match and for her to 138 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:37,960 step up and do that I thought was impressive. This might not be a popular opinion but I have an opinion 139 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:44,120 about Cameron Turner the setter for KU. I felt like her setting particularly to the left side 140 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:50,360 was pretty inconsistent and having that sort of side view of the court it made it very obvious 141 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:57,960 in that the distance off the net was fluctuating between being too tight and too far off. 142 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:05,000 You really saw Kansas struggle early their outside hitters and they were missing a lot of swings 143 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:09,880 outside the court. I really think that that's because with the tempo of offense they were 144 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:15,960 running they were often getting underneath the ball as it flared off the net and they weren't 145 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:21,640 able to put that spin on the ball that they needed to keep it in. You saw it kind of even itself out 146 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:26,680 a little bit. It definitely stayed for the most part in that match and I don't know if that was 147 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:32,280 like more of an adjustment on the outside hitters part but it made it really hard for the outside 148 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:36,760 hitters to kind of find a rhythm. I saw the same thing when they were playing and for me this is 149 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:42,280 going to be one of the key areas for them as a team as to whether they're successful for the rest 150 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:46,680 of the year or not. They've got great middles so there should be less pressure on the outsides. 151 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:53,400 If Turner can get their outside hitters in a rhythm they should have one one and a half blocks 152 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:58,440 and they'll be very successful but if those hitters are constantly struggling to find rhythm 153 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:03,800 they're going to struggle against better teams bigger blocks they need to clean that up if 154 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:08,920 they're going to continue to lead the way. I also don't know if this was a game plan decision or if 155 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:18,360 it's just Cameron Turner's setting style but on out of system balls she very often reversed the flow 156 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:25,720 instead of sticking with maybe an option that would give better execution of the set. For example 157 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:31,640 when KU was struggling to pass a lot of their passes were behind the 10-foot line around zone 158 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:40,120 five and I would say nine times out of ten Turner was forcing the long distance slide for the middles 159 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:49,000 from that point and it was very consistently off the net. I think sometimes I understand wanting 160 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:55,800 to reverse the flow to get the blockers moving and have a little decomposed block defense so to speak 161 00:16:56,440 --> 00:17:04,760 but I think if a set is executed well even if it's overloading and the blockers are already waiting 162 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:10,440 the hitters have a better opportunity to score. I agree with you on that I thought what they should 163 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:14,440 have done if you don't want to load your hitters up against the two-man block is run a back row 164 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:22,600 ball it doesn't have to necessarily score and you know maybe she's more consistent in those situations 165 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:27,880 in general and she had a bad day but the coaches need to see that and go okay it's time to simplify 166 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:33,960 you know the offense is not working the way we wanted to focus on putting your hitters in a good 167 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:41,720 place to score. Yeah the passing was not great from Kansas for the entire match but I think she 168 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:48,680 was trying really hard to go for long distance sets. I think incorporating more back row definitely 169 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:53,720 could have alleviated some of that but I think you know kind of pushing if they do want to run 170 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:59,320 that distance pushing the ball a little closer to the net so at a worst case scenario they're able 171 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:04,920 to recycle that ball and the hitter can like look for the block to either wipe off or bring it back 172 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:09,320 I think that could pay off more than running a long distance ball at the 10-foot line. 173 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:12,520 It'll be interesting to see if they make those adjustments in their next matches because I know 174 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:19,000 they have a couple big games coming up. I'm curious if you think K-State gave up the match 175 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:27,320 in the fourth set we had a scenario at 21-20 where they got a free ball and the libero made a super 176 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:34,280 tight pass that ended up with them losing the point and from there they proceeded to bad set 177 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:42,680 to the left side, bad set to the pin on a slide and then missed set to the left side where she 178 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:49,320 got blocked for the match on a bad pass and it all stemmed from that one poor free ball execution. 179 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:56,200 I'm all for a turning point you know that. I truly believe that that pass you're talking about at 21-20 180 00:18:56,200 --> 00:19:04,120 was that turning point because guess what Adam that set ended 25-20. You didn't score another point. 181 00:19:04,120 --> 00:19:11,960 You're telling me crunch time you're up 2-1 you have a chance to close out a match on the road 182 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:18,440 against a top 10 team you get a free ball at 21-20 and you're gonna pass that over the net? 183 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:25,800 That's unacceptable. You had a chance to make it 21-21 on what is arguably the most straightforward 184 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:32,280 type of play in volleyball a free ball and you didn't score another point in that set because 185 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:37,080 you did not execute that straightforward play and then I really think that that bled over into the 186 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:42,280 fifth set because they could not recover they didn't recover. No the fifth set they just they 187 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:47,640 were walked over. Their serving pressure disappeared I loved how they were serving KU all through the 188 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:52,840 match those serves were hitting the KU passers in the throat they looked like they were coming high 189 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:57,640 but then would drop out but in the fifth set after that run of points at the end of the fourth 190 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:03,160 serving pressure disappeared their serve receive everything was getting pulled off the net they 191 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:08,760 could not refine their footing and I know it sounds like such a small thing but volleyball is a game 192 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:16,360 of momentum and when you have a chance to stop a team from keeping that momentum you have to do it. 193 00:20:16,360 --> 00:20:23,240 Now do you think that's a case of an inexperienced team that's them looking at thinking hey we might 194 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:29,080 beat a ranked team hey this is a this is an opponent that we want to that we want to beat 195 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:34,360 like what do you think the mindset is in that set because not only do you not execute on that free 196 00:20:34,360 --> 00:20:40,040 ball but you crumble after that. I don't know it's hard to say like because I don't know them 197 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:46,760 or their team like personally or well but you know there is definitely some excitement if you're the 198 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:54,680 underdog thinking like we're so close like you can smell it almost and so you know maybe there's some 199 00:20:54,680 --> 00:21:01,400 like jitters and nerves associated with that maybe it's you know a lack of mindfulness around a play 200 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:10,760 or a skill that is so easily executed. It's hard to say but like in pressure moments even the easiest 201 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:17,560 skills you just need to be so mindful and so focused because then you don't want to see 202 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:23,880 something like this that happened where all the wheels fell off. It was a disappointing way to 203 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:29,880 end a match that had been incredibly exciting up until that point. I also have to give a shout out 204 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:35,800 though to Shaili Myers who came in off the bench when Liz Grigorjski went down with her injury. 205 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:42,040 She was probably on the bench like seeing Grigorjski playing so well being like okay well 206 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:47,640 I'll be ready but like she's doing a good job like there's probably not a high chance that I'll be 207 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:55,240 I'll be playing today and then being thrown in in a match like playing your in-state rival. I thought 208 00:21:55,240 --> 00:22:01,160 she did an incredible job. She was scoring points. She was serve receiving like I've got to give her 209 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:07,400 props for stepping up like that. She ended the day really well. She hit 250, nine kills, 10 points 210 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:12,280 total. By coming in for your star player and putting that those kind of points up she did her 211 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:18,200 job for sure. It'll be interesting to see how Kansas you know finishes out big 12 play. They've 212 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:23,160 got some tough opponents coming up like you said and hopefully you know Kansas State will take this 213 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:28,440 match learn from it and keep building because they showed that they have the potential and they can 214 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:35,000 push top teams. So this one was fun and and I always loved the big 12. Yeah it was interesting 215 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:41,480 that was the first big 12 match that I've kind of watched all the way through. So it was good to see 216 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:47,400 that level of volleyball. We watched a lot of big 10 recently. Our second feature match was Ohio State 217 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:53,480 versus number three Penn State. A couple days before this match coach Katie Schumacher Collie 218 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:58,920 of Penn State announced her recent breast cancer diagnosis. Our thoughts and prayers are with her 219 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:06,200 and her family as she battles this illness and I just have to say it was so touching to see 220 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:12,120 the Ohio State athletes wearing the pink ribbons in their hair to support her and her own athletes 221 00:23:12,120 --> 00:23:17,640 showing their support as well. This match featured the number one and number two big 10 players in 222 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:25,640 a tax per set Emily Laundotte of Ohio State and Jess Merzik of Penn State. I think that this match 223 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:31,800 was a perfect example of a school that chose to recruit from the transfer portal Penn State versus 224 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:38,040 one that chose to go about the more traditional methods of building a team in Ohio State. Now I'm 225 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:45,640 not going to lie I was unsure what we were going to see as the match started 6-0 for Ohio and then 226 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:53,320 swung to 6-6 after that. It's not very often you see a match go six point for six point swing start. 227 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:58,360 Unless it's BYU in Utah. Well that's fair. I guess maybe we have a way of picking them. Yeah we're 228 00:23:58,360 --> 00:24:06,200 really picking the the momentum games here. I liked Ohio's serving strategy to start targeting 229 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:12,600 the left side Merzik. She didn't pass super well but I do have to give her credit. Even though that 230 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:19,880 wasn't working for her she is a workhorse. She works to get outside. She hits her passes that 231 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:25,640 maybe aren't the best and makes something out of it. Her workload is large. That's for sure. 232 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:32,600 Ohio State was not hiding the fact that they were like we are going to make you work for every point 233 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:41,160 you get here. They served her I want to say close to every single ball. And if it didn't somebody 234 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:48,280 poached they they didn't miss and they came hard at her. She I mean is she the greatest passer of 235 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:56,280 all time? No but that being said she finds ways to score and there's a reason that she's the number 236 00:24:56,280 --> 00:25:03,320 two player in the Big Ten in a tax per set. I was very impressed with her. She has a very fast arm. 237 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:10,120 She swings high and deep. She's not necessarily going for extreme angles but she's able to she 238 00:25:10,120 --> 00:25:15,000 has great vision sees the block and is able to clip those fingertips when she's in trouble. 239 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:22,680 I thought she played great. Who do you think was better her or Londa? Without question in that 240 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:30,840 head-to-head battle Jez Mirzik wins. I would agree. I would agree which was a little disappointing 241 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:37,880 is the wrong word but I thought that the freshies for Ohio State held it down in that match. Well 242 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:44,280 Emmy Selman was the top scorer for Ohio State in that match. She was incredible. We're talking so 243 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:51,640 Londa usually gets like 35% of the attacks for Ohio State. Emmy Selman this is the first match 244 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:59,560 she got more sets than Londa did. 63 to 59. I mean still very close and those two definitely 245 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:04,840 carried the load for Ohio State. I think like the difference in the kills that those two had versus 246 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:10,840 the rest of the team was just not even comparable. The thing going back to your question about Londa 247 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:18,840 versus Mirzik. Mirzik also hits a very good back row ball and they they run her on the right side 248 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:23,480 which you wouldn't expect from a left side attacker. They usually come out of the pipe 249 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:29,400 but I just found her to be incredibly more effective than Londa in the back row. I was 250 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:34,440 actually shocked they kept running Londa out of the back row. I thought they should have set Emmy. 251 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:40,840 She was more dynamic. She was jumping well. I understand that she's been great for you all 252 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:47,400 season. She's the number one player. It was just a feeling thing watching the match that set Emmy. 253 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:53,960 Let her go. Give her the ball. She's scoring. It was so cool to see Emmy Selman just kind of 254 00:26:53,960 --> 00:27:01,000 come into her own in that match. I really liked the Ohio State freshman. I think Selman has a 255 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:09,640 super high ceiling. She's long. You know she hits good angles. Like mixes it up to line and angle. 256 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:14,840 I think once she gets a little bit physically stronger. Once she gets a little more comfortable 257 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:21,800 with the speed of the Big Ten game and improves a bit on defense. She can do it. 258 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:27,880 I completely agree and I think that her and Reese the other young left side. 259 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:34,760 Webker. I think that they're going to be a duo that you can build the program around. 260 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:41,240 Now the one thing I will say is you had two freshmen and a freshman, Libero, 261 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,880 kind of covering that angle side of the court. There were a few times where they seemed out of 262 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:50,600 sync or they weren't moving into the right defensive positions. I thought that was one of 263 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:55,640 the differences in the match was that Penn State was making more digs and those three, 264 00:27:55,640 --> 00:28:00,840 you know maybe being freshmen or maybe not being used to how that team would attack, 265 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,600 didn't adjust well in certain situations and should have had more digs. 266 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:10,840 I think that's fair. Going back to what you said about Reese Webker. I do think that her and Selman 267 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:19,000 are a great one-two punch for outside hitter combos. You've got Selman who is bigger, 268 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:26,440 playing at a higher level above the net. But then you've got Reese Webker who has outstanding ball 269 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:32,840 control. She does jump well but the thing I noticed is she struggles a bit to hit those imperfect sets. 270 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:38,280 But that's the thing when you have an outside hitter combo, one player, you know their role is 271 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:44,040 typically more of the ball control role and the other one is more of a point score. Is this a 272 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:50,840 steadfast rule? Absolutely not. But that's like the traditional layout of an outside hitter combo on 273 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:57,720 a team. I think those two together definitely exemplify that. I agree. I think the setter 274 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:02,840 Tooman needs to not go to Webker in some of those out of system scenarios. You're going to have to 275 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:08,520 put her in a position where she can be successful. But overall I thought those two did a fantastic 276 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:17,240 job. I honestly think that Ohio State's future is so bright if this group of young athletes kind of 277 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:24,360 sticks it out in the program. And you know only time will tell if Jen Flynn Oldenburg's choices 278 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:32,520 and her recruiting strategy will play off long term. I love to see it personally. I'm a purist. 279 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:41,400 I believe in building programs. And I loved to see that there were so many underclassmen on the Ohio 280 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:48,280 State roster. Of the seven players who kind of played the most for Ohio State, all of them were 281 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:55,560 underclassmen except for Lawndot and middle blocker Riley Rader. So I love to see that. This could be 282 00:29:55,560 --> 00:30:03,640 another segment. I hate the transfer portal. I think it's a cop out. But so I when I saw that 283 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:10,520 I was like yes this for me is what college volleyball is about. I want to see this team go 284 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:16,920 far. So I really really hope that these girls stay in the program and build together. I think the 285 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:21,480 future is really bright for Ohio State as long as they're not savaged by the transfer portal. 286 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:27,480 Something that I did want to say though is as we were saying Lawndot receives the majority 287 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:35,000 of Ohio State sets. Number one in the Big Ten in kills per set. She had three swings for match. 288 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:42,200 Ohio State was up 14-13 in the fifth. In that rally Lawndot got set three balls and I pretty 289 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:48,760 sure she tipped two of them. Okay I was critical of Olivia Babcock last week in their loss to SMU 290 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:55,560 so I need to say it to be fair. If you are the go-to player on your team part of that role is 291 00:30:55,560 --> 00:31:00,680 taking care of business when every single person in the gym knows you're getting the ball. It is 292 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:09,080 hard. Trust me I've been there. It isn't easy being the person that everyone knows is going to get set 293 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:15,480 and having to score anyways. Having a solid double block in your face at the most critical point in a 294 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:22,600 match but you know what it is part of your job. Sometimes and don't get me wrong sometimes you 295 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:29,480 will not be successful but I would much rather have seen her go up and take big rips at that 296 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:35,880 at those balls instead of tipping them. Well and that's what I was going to say. You have to swing 297 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:40,600 to win at that point because nobody else on your team is going to do it. You might not be it but 298 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:46,360 you might also be the hero and that's your job and I thought she needed to be more aggressive. 299 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:53,160 Yet again I was screaming at the TV being like why is she tipping that? Like it's okay you're 300 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:58,520 getting so many sets you're not going to be perfect but in those moments you have to have 301 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:03,160 the confidence to be like hell yeah I'm the one you want to set when the game's on the line and 302 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:09,720 if you go down swinging you go down swinging but to see her tip two out of those three balls 303 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:16,600 on match point that was tough. I will say however Mirzik is in the same position and that girl was 304 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:24,360 ripping balls. I mean she put that team on her back and said we're good I may not be passing 305 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:31,080 my best but I'm going to find ways to score and they did and the other thing I wanted to say was 306 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:40,360 I thought the Penn State setter was outstanding. I love Izzy Stark. I think that she already is an 307 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:47,560 outstanding setter but to come in and lead a program like Penn State the way that she is she's 308 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:56,040 big she moves well. I know we were kind of critical of reversing the flow when we were talking about 309 00:32:56,040 --> 00:33:03,000 the Kansas setter doing that. The thing is I'm seeing Izzy Stark reverse the flow but put up 310 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:12,520 perfect sets from compromised positions. This girl is strong okay in the Minnesota match I saw her 311 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:21,000 backpedal to the scores table and jack a set to the outside and it was perfect. There's a difference 312 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:29,080 between wanting to reverse the flow and to get the blockers moving just to do it versus executing it 313 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:36,200 well and I she's doing a well. What and she's one of those players you look at her and you think 314 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:42,520 every time she touches the ball she betters the ball and that's probably one of the best qualities 315 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:47,640 you could have out of a setter. It was always in a position where the hitters could find a rhythm or 316 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:54,280 do something of that. You didn't see her trapping her hitters or balls flaring off the net they were 317 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:59,080 always in a zone they could hit and the other thing I thought she did well was she pushed her 318 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:05,800 middles off the net gave them a chance and continue to keep them in the game. And that's the thing I 319 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:10,920 think what you just you nailed it is like Penn State's not necessarily the best passing team out 320 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:18,840 there. You do see Stark setting a lot of balls from the 10 foot line area but those hitters are 321 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:25,320 in rhythm regardless of where the pass or dig is those hitters know that they can expect the ball 322 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:31,240 to be where they want it. I think her future is so bright. I completely agree and I think it shouldn't 323 00:34:31,240 --> 00:34:37,080 go unstated you come in as a freshman with a lot of veteran players on that team. You've got to work 324 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:43,000 to earn respect. You don't get that position just because you show up and I think she's done a 325 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:49,000 fantastic job there in a really difficult spot. Overall I thought it was a very entertaining match 326 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:56,040 to watch. I was surprised given you know Ohio State's season that they've had up to this point. I was 327 00:34:56,040 --> 00:35:03,320 surprised that they pushed Penn State so hard but they showed up and like we said Emi Selman taking 328 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:09,960 some of that load off of Londot played a big role in that and it was great. Yeah it was awesome to 329 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,800 see her come out and play that well and hopefully she can keep that going for the rest of the season. 330 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,600 All right it's time for a new segment on the show that we're going to give a we're going to give a 331 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:22,200 shot it's called verify or veto. And in this segment I'm going to ask Sarah a question and 332 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:28,440 she doesn't know what's coming and she either has to verify or agree with my statement or veto it 333 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:35,480 and tell me why. Are you ready? Okay if I agree I just say yeah verify and if not then I explain. 334 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:40,760 No I want to know I want your explanation regardless why you agree or why you disagree. 335 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:50,280 Okay I'm nervous. Okay so the first question is or the first statement is Ohio State will move 336 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:56,600 into the rankings by next season. At what point in the season? At any point during the season they 337 00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:02,520 will be ranked. Verify I agree. I think the results that you're seeing from Ohio State this year are 338 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:10,840 a product of just their youth and experience. They're also playing in arguably the toughest 339 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:17,320 conference of in NCAA volleyball so there is a learning curve there. You're not going to be 340 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:25,240 amazing right away but I think if this crew stays together they have the potential to be very good. 341 00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:36,280 So verify. Okay next one Izzy Stark will be a first team All-American this year. Verify. Oh that 342 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:43,880 was quick. I don't even have to think about it. Comparing she is just so solid in all like the way 343 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:49,480 that she's able to run this offense and I've seen Penn State play a few times this year. She is 344 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:57,240 confident. She's sure of herself. She knows how to run an offense. She betters the ball. Her hitters 345 00:36:57,240 --> 00:37:05,640 know what to expect. Some of the sets that she makes from just the most unfortunate out of system 346 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:12,280 situations that is something that I would expect from somebody with a lot more experience. I think 347 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:20,040 I haven't seen a young setter like her in a long time so verify. Well I'm a little surprised about 348 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:27,640 that one. Really? I figured you would play the field on that one. No. Okay here we go. Three more 349 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:35,000 teams will forfeit against San Jose State by the end of the season. Can I ask a clarification 350 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:42,680 question? Three more teams aside from the ones who have already like if they re in the second round 351 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:49,320 of the conference. Oh fair. Let's go four matches will be forfeited between now and the end of the 352 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:58,040 season. Verify. I think that the teams that you know forfeited their matches against San Jose State 353 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:04,920 in the first round of conference play will probably forfeit them in the second round as well. I can't 354 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:14,760 see those teams you know having a change of heart all of a sudden so yeah verify. Man I'm agreeing 355 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:20,120 with everything. Okay last one we'll see if you agree with this one or not. Kansas will finish at 356 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:26,920 the top of the big 12 this season. Oh this is an interesting question. I'm gonna say Vito. Give me 357 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:35,880 give me your reasoning. In watching some other ranked teams in the big 12 I feel like I feel 358 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:43,240 like they will definitely be pushed but I feel like certain teams get more production from 359 00:38:43,240 --> 00:38:51,800 their outsides. Like Utah they're big their outsides are very dynamic. I can see Utah causing them 360 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:59,160 problems. I can see Arizona State causing them problems and they went five with K-State at home. 361 00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:05,880 You know I'm just gonna be spicy and Vito. All right there you have it. There's the 362 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:17,400 Verifier Vito. First round loved it. All right it is time for our weekly hot takes. Adam what's yours? 363 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:26,200 So mine's less of a hot take and more of an annoyance but I watched several different 364 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:31,640 broadcasts this week and there's a common theme and it drives me nuts every time I hear it. 365 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:40,280 And it's putting caveats on athletes abilities. So you always hear this that girl moves well 366 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:48,840 for a big girl or that girl scores despite being small and you know what it's a complete disservice 367 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:55,000 to these athletes. If you're tall and you move well you move well. You may not run a 40 as fast 368 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:59,960 as somebody who's smaller than you but you're athletic and you move well. Leave it at that. 369 00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:06,760 And you know what if you're 5'9 and you can go up and you're dynamic and you rip talk about them 370 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:11,880 talk about them playing volleyball. Look at how well she jumps. Look at how well her vision is. 371 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:20,200 Don't go with the generic. Look at her scoring and she's only 5'8, 5'9. To me seeing the hard 372 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:27,560 work that athletes put into their craft to be good at what they do it's that part just drives me nuts. 373 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:35,640 As a big girl I can get behind this statement. I don't want to hear all the reasons why I'm good 374 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:41,560 but I probably shouldn't be. And that goes for smaller girls as well. It's like we're athletes. 375 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:46,920 Let's celebrate our athleticism. Let's talk about the things that we're able to do and call it a 376 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:53,160 campaign. I can get behind that hot take 100%. My hot take might actually be like a legit hot take. 377 00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:54,220 Shocker. 378 00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:02,760 My hot take is that Minnesota is hanging on to a number 14 ranking because of only two wins. 379 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:09,880 The win the five set wins they had against Texas and Wisconsin. For me the five set win that they 380 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:16,280 had against Texas in like I don't know the second match of the season it's irrelevant at this point. 381 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:23,400 We saw the teams that Texas lost to. They had three losses in the preseason. It wasn't pretty. 382 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:29,720 So I don't think that that ranking or that win can necessarily be contributing to them being 14. 383 00:41:29,720 --> 00:41:37,080 And again they beat Wisconsin. That one's fine. But if you look at their schedule every single 384 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:43,240 ranked team that they have played other than those two they have lost to. Oftentimes not even close. 385 00:41:43,240 --> 00:41:49,720 Take Texas out of it. That was literally over a month ago and I think that Minnesota should be 386 00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:54,440 ranked much lower than they are. I think that's a fair argument. Things just keep getting better 387 00:41:54,440 --> 00:42:01,720 and better in NCAA volleyball and we have got another big week coming up this week. On Friday 388 00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:07,960 TCU is playing Baylor. And then on Saturday we have a big day in college volleyball. It's Wisconsin 389 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:15,480 and Purdue. Utah versus Kansas and Penn State versus USC. I'm personally excited to see Utah 390 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:21,400 play Kansas. This kind of ties into one of the verifier veto questions you asked and I think 391 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:26,680 that Utah is one of the teams that could take down Kansas if they get their point runs under 392 00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:34,760 control. So I'm excited to see that one. We might have to visit the veto segment again and see. We 393 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:41,320 might know the answer for sure by next week. And Adam will be like you were wrong on every single one. 394 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:47,320 This week Louisville has a big week because they've got Pitt on Friday and that's a one versus four 395 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:54,440 matchup and then on Sunday they're taking on number 12 SMU. So they took on Stanford's schedule 396 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:59,480 from this past week. So we'll see how Louisville fares and hopefully they'll put up a better fight 397 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:04,680 against Pitt than Stanford did. I hope that game is not a disappointment. I'm excited for that one. 398 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:10,600 I want to tune in live so like no matter what happens I just like watching good volleyball. 399 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:15,000 So I hope that that's the case. That might have the potential to be the best match of the week. 400 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:19,960 That concludes this week's episode of Volley Talk. There's always something shaking up in the 401 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:24,760 volleyball world and we hope that you enjoyed this little fix. Be sure to follow the show to make 402 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:29,480 sure you don't miss any updates and we'd be so grateful if you'd leave us a five-star review. 403 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:34,360 Also if you have a topic that you want us to discuss be sure to let us know by reaching out 404 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:40,760 to me on Instagram at Sarah underscore pavin or at info at sarah pavin dot com. 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