Dr. Jerry, you got the whole world waiting. Been
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I'm your host dr. Andre Jerry broadcasting live
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and your support So let me ask you something.
Have you ever wondered what happens after we
die? like what actually occurs when we leave
this body or if this life is even all there is.
If those types of questions ever crossed your
mind, then you tuned in on a good night. Now,
over the past decade or so, we've seen a huge
spike in conversations around spiritual enlightenment,
manifestation, higher consciousness, near -death
experiences, all of that. So this subject matter
is not a niche subject matter anymore. It's everywhere.
And I think the reason for that is because people
are waking up. Folks are reaching higher levels
of awareness and realizing that there's a lot
more to this life than we can see, touch, or
explain. We're starting to understand that we're
not just bodies with souls. We're souls having
a human experience. And the rise in NDE stories
is one more confirmation that there's something
beyond that veil. And many people are hungry
to know what that something is. Our special guest
for tonight has lived to tell the tale, literally.
He's what we call an NDE 'er, someone who's had
a near -death experience, or more specifically,
an out -of -body experience. And his story is
going to shift your whole perspective on this
thing. Now, if you've been following the show,
you know I've been sort of low -key obsessed
with near -death experiences over the past year
or so. I've watched dozens of personal accounts,
and you know, each one is different. They have
different circumstances, different journeys,
different lessons. But even with those differences,
there seems to be some common theme that connects
them all. And while many of these NDE stories
have left an impression, there was one story
in particular that really resonated with me.
So I reached out to the man behind it, and luckily,
We were able to connect and have him on the show
tonight. So let's go ahead and get into it. Tonight's
guest is an Army veteran, international speaker,
spiritual healer, entrepreneur, and author. His
new book, I Walk Amongst Gods, debuted at number
one in its genre on Amazon in February of last
year and is currently holding strong at number
six on the bestseller list for teen and young
adult nonfiction on death. And I'm honored to
welcome him to the show tonight. Let's give a
virtual round of applause to our guest tonight,
Jeff Fleckley. Jeff, how are you today? Thank
you. I'm doing great. I appreciate the interview.
I appreciate being here. I'm grateful to be here.
And I'm just sending light and love to all of
your listeners right now. Oh, wow. And it's well
received. And the pleasure is all mine, really.
I'm very excited that you're here. And hey, listen,
congrats on your new book, I Walk Amongst God.
I finished it a couple of days ago. I thought
it was a fantastic read. And it's been doing
really well on Amazon. Are you surprised by how
well received your book has been since it's been
released? Yes, I am. I am surprised. And yet
there is also, you know, a I'll say science or
a method behind. That you know, and that's one
of the things I'm going to talk about today is
what I was taught and how to Make manifest things
in this world. And yes, I am surprised and overwhelmed
at every step of this journey I've been overwhelmed
and surprised and just just grateful that the
end of the Almighty is on me Yes, I understand.
I get it. I'm a published author as well it's
always a great feeling when your hard work is
recognized and and well received by others. And
we're going to talk a little bit more about your
book a little later. But first, can you tell
our listeners a little bit about what was happening
in your life prior to your near death experience
and the circumstances that led to that event?
Yes, so I'll rewind about six months, six months
before the actual event. And this was a significant
thing that happened to me. You know, I had so.
In the book, it eludes, it talks about me being
a veteran and I was in the service and I was
a paratrooper. I jumped out of planes and I had
a few bad accidents. You know, in my time, I
gave to the United States military parachuting
accidents that left me in a lot of pain when
I exited the service of the military. And so
around this time, I had been dealing with these
back issues since I got out of the service in
the 90s. And now we're at, we'll say this is
2012, December of 2012. And I'd been dealing
with it, working on the VA, helping me in my
pain management. And this particular time, you
know, they, I, my back just gave out and on June,
I mean December 21st, 2012. I remember the day
specifically, I woke up that day. I was off from
my job and I was going to do Christmas shopping
for my two younger children who were home with
me at the time, you know, living with me. I shared
custody with with them, you know, my daughter
was 16 and my son was four at that time. And
so I got up to go and doing the shopping and
that day my back just completely gave out. I
fell to the floor and I could not walk. I was
in so much pain I couldn't walk. And I remember
crawling to the bathroom. pulling myself up on
my bathroom sink to reach in to my medicine cabinet
and get some Vicodin's that I had in there from
a tooth extraction I had maybe a month or two
prior and You know that right there was the what
set it all off. So now I go to I Get help from
the VA and they put me on these powerful painkillers
at this time Before they wouldn't put me on the
powerful painkillers, you know, I was taking
For this back pain over the span of 15 20 years
You know a leave and and I see the medicine but
at this time, you know So now I go I get a meeting
with the VA I you know, I make my way to the
VA hospital I could barely walk drag myself to
the car, you know, they had to send out a wheelchair
to wheel me in because I couldn't get out of
my car. And so now they put me on these very
powerful painkillers that, you know, for at this
time, at that time I was happy to have them.
I was happy to be on them, you know, and I'm
going through this, you know, and now we're in
January, we're in December. And then, you know,
I noticed when I look back on this whole situation,
I noticed things just kept spiraling the wrong
way before I actually died. So the next thing
that happened to me, not even a few days later,
I caught pneumonia. Now, I'm in bed, I can't
move, and I got pneumonia. We're still in December,
headed towards January of 2012, headed towards
January 2013. I can't move. You know, I got pneumonia.
I thought, that's weird, I got pneumonia. And
if I cough, sneeze, or anything, it hurts my
back. It was just a lot of pain. And so I got
over the pneumonia. I'm still in back pain. Mobility
is at zero, can't get around, hard to do anything.
And all of a sudden, I don't know what it was,
but we're in the February of 2013 and I contract
MRSA. Now, for those who don't know what MRSA
is, MRSA is a bacterial infection that has killed
many people, you know, and it's a serious bacterial
infection. And so I contract this MRSA. I'm taken
to the hospital and I'm in the hospital for seven
days on you know with IVs of antibiotics in my
veins you know just constantly flowing through
you know and I remember on the sixth day from
the sixth day I'm in there the doctor comes he
said we got it we got as much as we could he
sat down on my bedside and I remember it he said
you know people die from this and we used we
reason why you've been here so long is because
all of the strains of antibiotic weren't working
and you know that we use the strongest one here
on earth he said if this wasn't the work you
would have expired so that was another thing
leading up that when i look back in retrospect
leading up to this and it seems like you know
i i put together this theory that people see
their deaths come and they just don't recognize
it you know and i put together that theory about
myself because you know after I had the MRSA
then they had to go and do surgery on my knee
where where it originated uh because they couldn't
get it all it was in my bloodstream was everywhere
so they had to go and do surgery and clean out
all around my bone and everything around my knee
to get all the bacteria out so now I'm off of
the MRSA I'm in I'm actually uh stitched up you
know my leg is I'm in stitches this uh eight
inch scar from my knee to my shin and I can't
walk anyway because I, my back's still hurting
from these painkillers. But at this time now
we're rolling into April of 2013 and I'm sick
of being in the house for six months now, close
to six months. Um, and I just, I decided that,
you know, I had a friend or a female friend that
was single at the time or separated working on
the force. And I decided that. No, I wasn't going
to live life. Just, uh, just cooped up. So I
planned a date with this female friend of mine
and I began to get ready for this, this date
and, uh, back was hurting and I was in a lot
of pain. And so I took, uh, my, my pills on time
and regularly scheduled. And I, as I'm getting
ready, I realized the pain wasn't going away.
So I took two more. And I was allowed that much,
you know, for paying. And something happened
in the time I was getting ready and being loopy
from the four pills I had just taken, the four
opiates that I had taken. I took two more. And
now, and this is in the span of, I'm going to
give it 45 minutes, six of these powerful painkillers.
And that's what's started you know my overdose
and I remember what I can remember how it started
was the nausea that came you know and then I'm
in the bathroom and the sweating profusely I
I'd never sweat like that I used to play basketball
football and everything I've never sweat like
that just not doing anything it's running down
my face and I'm vomiting into the bathroom toilet
and then it got so bad that I couldn't hold myself
at the bathroom toilet so I'm just on my side
vomiting and there's this pain that I'm feeling
and like someone stabbed me in the stomach and
it felt like a bunch of my stomach was hurting
I had vomited everything out of the contents
of my insides so now it's just dry heaves and
pain and I'm feeling myself fading in and out
of consciousness it was just and there was just
this moment when you come to the realization
I'm dying like nothing ever you know nothing
you know even in my parachuting accidents I never
it never well there's one time that it crossed
my mind that I could be dying but not like this
it wasn't like this there was one accident I
had that I thought I was dying but it wasn't
like I just had a lot of brain swelling um that's
that's what that was about but this was you know
i just knew it i just this is when i even said
it in my mind you know this is what it's like
so this is it you know but once the thing about
that experience right there was there was a point
where all of the pain and the fear just stopped
you know it just stopped and That pain and that
fear were gone and all of a sudden I'm looking
at myself laying on the floor You know, I'm looking
at myself for mom and I'm like that's me And
then it got real it got real after that because
as soon as I see myself laying there It's like
something back into me and I began to be pulled
Through this tunnel through this tunnel, and
I'm being whisked down this tunnel at a high
rate of speed. And one of the things I remember
is that, you know, being a paratrooper and being
in planes and moving fast through the air, you
can feel the wind rushing up. I felt no wind
rushing. I just moved through this tunnel very
fast. I came out on the other side of this tunnel
where the light was, where the light was, and
I'm in this place. It's a realm. How I explain
it in the book is It's like you're standing at
the edge of space, but there's no stars. And
you're looking out into this abyss, this void,
this darkness, and these three beings approach.
They just appear. They don't come moving at me.
They just appear right in front of me. And the
one, what I call the main being, it had the essence
of a woman. And this is what I speak on this.
I always say that, you know, I think in my experience
and every experience is different because I believe
that in its infinite wisdom, creation, the creator
brings us to this place with things that we can
relate to or we don't have a fear of. So, you
know, I relate very well to women. So this, this
mother figure is female figure was who was alcohol
handling me or being the one guiding me through
this. Uh, what now became the, uh, the, the,
uh, what we call what in the near death, the,
uh, life review. So I didn't know anything about
this life review or anything. So I'm standing
here now. I should go back and mention that as
I'm coming through this tunnel, all of life.
All everything that I had going on on the earth
plane. It was like in an instant I cared nothing
about. Had no more care for it. It's like I released
all of that holding on to anything that that
was there except for my son who was at that time
four years old. And I was I was in this struggle
moving through this tunnel as I'm dying. But
the thing that was on my mind the most was, my
son, he's gonna be raised without a father here.
Being an African -American male, I strongly believe
and know that African -American males, all males
need their fathers. Yet the circumstances that
happen in the United States is is where an african
-american male can excel greatly if he's got
a father in his life and a father figure and
I Felt that about my son and I was very angry
about dying, you know, I was I was mad So by
the time I get to this this spot, I'm standing
in when I'm whisked through, you know, I'm angry
about dying Because of my son I didn't want to
leave him there Here on earth without me and
so um I I I must say this though While i'm angry
like that this place that i'm in There's only
love here. The only feeling that I felt here
was love and um It was the most beautiful love
that i've ever felt. I haven't experienced that
love here in the earth realm and you know my
father is a loving man and he's always loved
me with this love that sometimes I even thought
it was more than my brothers because we had this
thing where you know we had this big hug and
that's what he called it give me my big hug hey
Jeff where's my big hug he'd come in from he'd
come in from work anytime you know and it's Jeff
where's my big hug and that's the love that we
have and he still at 80 years old gives me that
big hug and hey and nowadays he'll say the reason
I squeeze you so hard is because I'm pushing
this love into you when I squeeze you you know
so That's the love that I've experienced here
from my father. And I was there on that side
and that love there was greater than that love
that I feel for my father. My father feels for
me. And that for me growing up with a father
and my father being a driving force in my life
and teaching me a lot about loving. It was more
powerful than that. So for me, it was more powerful
than that love. This love is so powerful that
it's the reason why I do what I do this day.
And so that love was in that place. And now I'm
standing here and now I begin my life review.
And as I'm going through my life review, we would
go through scenes of my life where I did great
things. And I can remember these things, you
know, helping a homeless person that nobody would
help, you know, helping, doing things in people's
lives, you know, making them feel happy. And
you could feel that joy you gave them, you know,
when you're watching it and then you can feel
the joy that they felt, you know, and those were
good things. And the being that was with me,
it was encouraging. It was like, here you did
a great job. This was wonderful, you know. Continue
that in your journey and then we came to the
the aspect of The bad things now the bad things
that when we come across the bad thing I would
get this it wasn't a chastisement It was just
telling me that I you know, you did it wrong
and next time Do it a better way or do it this
way. This was that this was the teaching that
now now when she was when this being Was saying
next time she wasn't talking about me going back
right now She meant because they had already
put it in my mind what was about to happen So
what was about to happen was after this life
review? I was going to be reincarnated back into
the world as a baby and I would have to All those
things that I didn't fix didn't have right in
the previous life This would be my opportunity
to fix those things and continue to build on
the great things or the good things that I was
doing in life now. So when, when that was about
to happen, so, so now they were telling me these
things. So for the next time for my reincarnation,
so she was more or less, it was more of a, it
was a chastisement I would say, but not in the
sense that you did it wrong about it and make
you feel bad. No. was the I was only made to
feel good about about Everything that was happening.
I only felt good but what was in me was the conviction
of Knowing that I did wrong now after they show
it to you and you feel the pain of the person
that that you hurt and then it Let's see. What
can we call it spiderwebs or it cascades into
the lives of the of the person the people that
love the person that you hurt you could feel
how it messed up their their lives and the things
that you've done to to hurt other people you're
not just directly that person but you hurt this
person you hurt his mother you know you hurt
his brother you hurt his father because they
felt pain when you hurt this person so this was
what I was feeling and this is what I was being
shown now after The life review This is when
it was like, what do you got to say for yourself
before you go on and reincarnate? You know and
and I I was still feeling that anger that I was
gonna leave my son behind and And I don't know
where it came from. Maybe it was out of anger
desperation, but I said look Um, you sent me
down there and I said this is exactly what I
said You or whoever's running this You sent me
down there and you never showed me how to do
it and yet I stand before you and You're telling
me that I've been doing life wrong down there
if I go with you fine, this is the guy even said
it this is the best feeling I ever felt in all
of my existence and I go with you fine yet you
send me back and teach me how to do it I'll do
it right and with that this is when this million
I've had uncountable number of light beings of
light just appeared in that darkness in the back
that in that darkness I spoke about the void
issue and they began to impart something into
my brain that at that time at that moment When
all of them began to speak or put into my mind,
it sounded like thunder. It was so loud I couldn't
comprehend what was being said and I was about
to speak. And just when I was about to speak
to the being that was right there with me, it
said, don't worry about trying to understand
it. You'll understand it when you get back. And
I'm getting fed with all these things now as
they're doing that as they're putting all of
this into my head I'm having a conversation with
these three things You know the the the two that
were on the side and the female that was the
main one that I will say female gender Essence,
you know because it wasn't running male was female
essence and so They began to put in me things
about The the earth realm that I needed to know,
you know, you know, and they they put in me about
that that mankind first they put into me that
I Had to teach this if I'm going back that was
the deal that was made if you're going back You
got to teach this so soon as those beings popped
up this million They started that downloaded
into me that you're gonna have to teach this
and this information that you're Receiving right
now is what you're going to teach so They began
to download this information and those beings
began to speak and as they began to speak They
were telling me how mankind is being corralled
This is saying the words that they said mankind
is being corralled into a way of thinking that
That is not their own yet. They believe it's
their own because of the choices that we've been
given so it's basically here on earth we're given
a choice we're only given two choices and these
aren't these aren't the choices it can be any
circumstance and i can relate to the uh the the
this was before the pandemic but i can relate
to the pandemic as what they were talking about
because we were given choices but we weren't
given all the choices you know and these were
some things that then you know i'm just jumping
ahead about that that fact about these choices
and that It's been happening all throughout our
existence here how we are Every choice that we
ache takes away a freedom it takes a bait away
a chisels at our God given the right to Our free
will and our freedoms here on earth And so I
was being shown this and then I was being told
that I needed to study every aspect of the human
existence when I got back. So I had to do that.
I had to, and then I had to teach what I'm being
told, what I'm being taught here back, you know,
when I get back. So they gave me a lot of things,
a lot of information, and sometimes I, you know,
It's so much that you can't fit it all in one
segment because it's information about the existence
of humankind, you know, here in this realm. So
with that and all of the information, they said,
all right, it's time to go back. And so when
it was time to go back, they said, OK, think
on the one thing. That oh, I forgot This is the
main thing. Um, and there was a there was one
thing they began to speak to me It I'll call
it God and this was my charge They said this
they told me this they said I'm gonna give you
these things these three things you do these
three things and your walk in life will be easy
and When you get back and one and it was three
commandments basically one love everything Because
I am everything. Now this is creation speaking
to me at this time. Love everything because I
am everything. Fear nothing. Because fear and
doubt are the destroyer of mankind. And the last
thing was know that I am God. And it told me
if I do those three things, to love everything
because it's everything. Fear nothing. Because
fear and dollar the destroyer of mankind and
know that I am God That my walk in this life
will be easy and that the things that I in this
life that I want will come easy and so With that
they told me to focus on the one thing on this
earth on the earth that you love and by this
time There was nothing on earth. I loved except
for my my four -year -old son that was it because
something about separating from the earth plane
and going into this place you just leave every
you lost love for everything on that place it's
interesting it was my experience was interesting
that I you know I didn't have a love for you
know eat at that time you know I could say I
was able to let go of my brothers, my sister,
my family, my mother, my father. I was able to
let all of that go, you know, and be cool with
it. And that's what, so the only thing I had
that I've truly loved back on earth was my son.
I focused on that. And the next thing you know,
I'm back in my body. Six hours had gone by. I'm
crying. I know what just happened to me and You
know, I was crying tears of joy because you don't
touch that thing without feeling that love. That
love was so, that's what keeps me going to this
day is that love that I felt and the embrace.
I just knew I had just spoke to God, met God.
I wrote in one thing once and I said, I just
danced with death and it was beautiful. It was
amazing. It was beautiful. And I survived it.
I came back. But the, you know, this was my love,
the love that God had put in me. It had me crying
on the floor. I was reflecting on everything
that happened. And I'm thinking to myself, now
this just happened. And I had a lot of questions.
I had many questions. The pain in my stomach
was back. My throat was very... dry from dry
heaving and throwing up. Yet I had many questions
and I wanted to go back. Believe it or not, I
wanted to feel that love again. So that's what
led me into the transcendental meditations and
my spiritual awakening because now I wanted to
experience That again and how do I get back to
that feeling? So I tried many things, you know,
um in the beginning Um, i've experienced dmt
because I wanted to now at this time when I came
back There was something attached to me And at
in the in the very beginning it was the voice
It was the silent still voice that was leading
me in everything I did you know, and it would
speak to me and so Wanted I would I began Searching
for my way to feel that so I I tried DMT at least
six times I Tried mushroom is for anyone who
is not familiar with that DMT is die I have tripped
me diethyltryptamine It is a substance that I
can explain it like this. It's called the spirit
molecule and DMT. Doctors say, so what I studied
and this is the reason why I was led to DMT,
scientists will tell you that every living thing
has DMT in it. You get this DMT release when
you're dying. Your brain releases DMT from the
pineal gland, which I believe, and it's the spirit
molecule. What is what is? Intended or it's really
a psychedelic Psychedelic exactly. It's a psychedelic
that that touches the spiritual side of things
It's it's natural but it can be synthesized,
you know, it's and so I Had tried using this
to try to get the feeling back from when you
were on the other side yes that and just just
more answers, more closer to whatever that thing
is up there that we call God, closer to that.
You know, so I had experiences in that and I
did have some some enlightening things happen
during the DMT experiences. Yet it wasn't it
felt artificial. It didn't feel like I was touching.
with with God so I began I just began deep meditation
deep meditation and and and listening to that
still voice which which now I can tell you its
name is Metatron this this guardian angel that
came back with me you know different circles
will call it my higher self you know, different
circles of thinking. I like to call it Metatron.
I remember that name from the book. Now, was
Metatron the primary being of the three that
you saw on the other side, or is this a different...
Yes. No, Metatron was not the primary being that
was there. It was not. It just came with me.
And here's the thing that I truly believe was
we all have... a guardian angel higher self that
guides us, you know, through this life. I strongly
believe it. Now, you know, my mother used to
speak about it when we were kids. I remember
an incident where we were out, me and my brothers,
we were out doing something bad. And we came
home and my mom told us exactly what we did.
And she said, and we were like, how do you know?
Say, your guardian angels told me. So that's
my experience with guardian angels. But what
I've come to realize is that they are real. Metatron
is really real to me. If we can get into that
part of it, I don't want to go off script or
anything, but there was one incident that happened
where I wasn't even telling anybody that Metatron
was with me for at least for years. Even after
I found out, it was Meditron. I didn't tell anybody,
because Meditron told me don't tell anybody for
some years. I walked into a room, a setting where
a woman who practices Santeria. I don't know
if you're familiar with Santeria. Being from
Puerto Rico, maybe you know about Santeria. I've
never heard of it before, no. It's more like
less down in in Brazil because that's where she
was from and Santeria is pretty much I Don't
know you could call it. You could call it a voodoo
or whatever It that they speak with the spirits
of the dead and they give them insight into things
and you know, this is this is a religion in the
Caribbean and down there in South America, I
know So I walk in, I walk in and this individual
who practices Santeria, and we're not really
on great terms, but I had to be in this setting.
So she looked at me and she said, there's a 10
foot tall dark being that's right behind you.
And I just, I laughed, I smiled, I said, oh,
you can see it. I said, that's my protector.
He's not black, he's blue, he's a deep blue.
And that's all I said to her, you know. So that
was the first person that's seen it. And then
I was at a conference in Carousel in May, and
there's other spiritual speakers there, and she
said she saw it. She said, I see Metatron standing
behind you before I even said anything, you know,
and that was interesting. But those are the two
people that I know that have seen this being
that I speak about. So basically he was a or
she was a seer and she was a yes. She was a seer.
Yeah Yeah, and I want to go back for a minute
because I think when we got to make Metatron
is the name. I remember that from the book. I
think we lost some some people there So Metatron
from what I understand from the book and what
you're saying today That was the sort of the
like the spirit guide that came back with you
Yes after that NDE. Yes. Yes. Yes. Had you experienced
Metatron before your NDE and just not realize
it was him or that entity? You know, what I can
say is throughout life at certain periods of
time, I've heard this same distinctive, I call
it this small, still, calm voice, you know. And
different religions will call it different things.
They'll call it the Holy Spirit speaking to you.
It's the smallest, the voice that doesn't make
you do anything. And you can pass this voice
up. If the chaos of the world is rambling through
your head, this voice can go right by. Because
it'll speak in the softest terms. That's how
I know. who it is but I experienced it once before
and or a few times before in my walk through
life and spirituality as far as uh Christian
upbringing or trying to want to talk to God in
earnest you know and just listening um so at
that time I didn't know that his name was Metatron
I was just listening because it was I could feel
that it had attached itself to me it was very
strong but That yet at that time there was all
of my senses were heightened You know my intuition
my connection with nature the the the what I
call the astral projections the clairvoyance
the looking into people's eyes and seeing their
their spirit their their then seeing their halo
or their aura around them um Things like everything
had just heightened at that point so I was hearing
this voice very you know very clearly and It
wasn't until six months after Me coming back
that I asked it its name. I didn't even know
I could I didn't know it had a name I did so
when I asked it and this is after I had began
this deep meditations, these deep meditations
that helped me go back to what I call the second
heaven in the spirit. And so these deep meditations
led me to hone these gifts that I was given as
well. And so it was six months later that Metatron
revealed itself to me. So we're still in, you
know, 2013 at this time. And Metatron revealed
itself to me. And yet he tells me, don't tell
nobody. There's a lot of things that happened
that were Metatron told me don't tell anybody.
And it was only until 2017 that I was given permission
to speak on this. Metatron is the name your family
react to all of this stuff. Oh my goodness. Um
You know, I have a huge family in this part of
the world My father had 15 brothers and sisters,
you know Cousins big a bunch of cousins. I grew
up like brother cousins sister cousins Big family
and pretty much all of them. Just stop messing
with me You know that pretty much but it was
not only that it wasn't and then the thing was
I didn't even it wasn't like I was heartbroken
or any even cared because that I had to get rid
of all the negative in my life and right That
that was a part of it, you know, and I had this
inner thing about being very reclusive, you know,
so After that I became very reclusive. I didn't
come out. I was still hurt too I was still unable
to work unable to do anything So I was in this
my house that I had fortunately purchased Maybe
a few couple years before that three or four
years before that, you know So I was living in
this this house this four -bedroom home by myself
and I had just shared custody of my children
That's the only people that I would see for a
long time. Those are the only people who are
my children. And my father, he'd come by all
the time. And so, yeah, you lose a lot of friends
when you walk this journey. A lot of people think
you're crazy. You know, a lot of people, they
don't look into it. And one of the things I was
told, and I do it now, and sometimes I wish people
had known this about, you know, when they dealt
with me, but... I was told there on the other
side that to to what was I I was told I lost
my chain of thought told on the other side. Let's
use another point to go back because I had a
question about something that you mentioned when
you were in the on the other side. That you were
with the three beings and it appeared as though
they were going to reincarnate you into another
lifetime but you Pretty much from what I would
I understand you had an attitude and you were
like look you guys sit down here You didn't give
me any instructions, but you're telling me I'm
doing this and this and this wrong but you never
told me how to do it and so I feel like do you
feel like if you had not interjected and sort
of challenged them that you Would not have gotten
the opportunity to come back to your former life
Yes, I honestly feel that I feel that with every
every ounce of my being that I was on my way
to reincarnate and get it right in the next life
and Yeah, I believe that wholeheartedly Wow Yeah,
that's really interesting because yeah from everything
that I read in your account in your book and
then what you're saying tonight You were they
were downloading you with I guess all this hidden
knowledge divine knowledge and they were I guess
preparing you to enter another lifetime and for
some reason they were Gracious, I guess to listen
to you and to listen to your point of view and
gave you an opportunity to go back to your former
life using sort of your son's the love for your
son as a conduit so I just thought it was a striking
part of the story because Yeah, you're in that
realm. I didn't I wouldn't think that anger or
frustration would be able to be felt but apparently
you had some some you fell away and Enough so
to where you you know challenge those three beings
which you know if I'm from my own point of view
I'm like I would never do that. I would just
You know i'm here. This is incredible. I just
yeah, whatever you guys want to do We're just
going to go with that, but I just thought that
was a great part of the story and kind of changed
The trajectory of what your outcome could have
been because you could have been reincarnated
in completely different life Uh had you not interjected
at that point Yeah, yeah, and that I look at
that all the time that you know that comes back
because i'm gonna tell you man It's just uh the
near -death thing. Um, it never leaves you Once
you have it, you're like, it's like you, you.
Well, when you're growing up and you're young
and you're even in your 20s, you tend to forget
about dying, you know, you forget about death.
And, you know, I was invincible in my 20s. I
jumped out of planes and things like that. You
forget about dying. So, but after this near death
experience, there's not one day that goes by
that I forget that I have to meet with God. Not
one day. So that's what compels me to do this.
It changes you as far as that. You don't look
at things the same. The people that you're around
or that you associated with before this, none
of them. I found everybody that's in my life
now is a new friend except for my children. And
and and my wife even my wife is new, you know
She's a new friend as a matter of fact because
you know, I didn't know her when they all this
happened It sounds like you had a little lot
of people go by the wayside just all because
of this, you know new Mentality that you had
I'm sure from your family's perspective a lot
of people are probably saying Oh Jeff hasn't
been right since he got out of the military.
I'm sure I'm sure Yeah, they say that. They say
that too. Yeah, they say that. Yeah, from my
family's perspective, you know, they all love
me, and when I go around, it's always love. Yet
they do things that aren't conducive with the
lifestyle that I live. So, you know, it's kind
of like the church, you know. Church folks don't
hang out with the back sliders, you know, in
the center. Right on the church, folks. So yeah,
it's like you tell that part of the story because
I think that's a critical part of the story where
There's an incident with your nephew and oh,
yes. Yeah. Yes tell that part so this part of
the story This now this was this is years of
let's see twenty sixteen is when this happened
and uh... the end of twenty sixteen so i'm three
years into this you know three years into meditating
every day change my dot change everything as
a matter of fact you know change my diet changed
everything about the way i live the way i speak
com that more or less uh... commanding life then
just living bad and at this time you know my
brother uh... he my brothers love me so if i
tell them something and it's from the the bottom
of my heart, they believe it is true, you know,
even though they can't see it. They're like,
well, if you believe it, I believe it. You know,
if you say it happened to you. So by this time,
three years in, I've done so much work on helping
people using this gift to help people. It was
a Friday and my brother calls me and he's like,
Jeff, I need your help. He said, you know, my
son, they had this game that they played. He
was a junior in high school at this time, I think.
this game they played where every Friday they
would grab still one or two of their parents
medicines and they'd all gather up before school
and Put them all together and then divvy them
out and everybody just popped one That was the
craziest thing, you know crazy type of stuff
that they were doing in high school at that time
and so My nephew he takes somebody's medicine
and he overdoses and he's in a coma And my brother
calls me and he said, Jeff, they said if he doesn't
come out by Sunday, they're going to pull the
plug. He's like, is there anything that you can
do? And so at that moment, you know, my brother,
I say, I'll see what I can do, you know, and
that was a Friday. And the crazy thing I always
tell the story is that I was helping so many
people at that time and doing so much that it
slipped my mind to meditate on him Friday night.
my nephew's in a coma and it slipped my mind
and then Saturday night comes and I'm like, I
gotta go in and See what I could do. So I go
into meditation and I asked metatron What can
we do and metatron takes me in the spirit? Astral
project to this realm where my nephew is at,
you know my nephew He's there and it's like a
playground setting or There's a bunch of kids
there, you know, adolescents, children who are
there. And what I've come to understand is that
they were all in comas. Everybody there was in
a coma. And Jesus Christ was there. And he was
ministering and comforting all of these kids
in a coma. So Meditron takes me to my nephew
and we're off by ourselves and we begin to talk
and I'm telling him, you know, come home. Your
parents are missing you. You should come back.
And I said, your dad's devastated, your sister's
devastated, your stepmother's devastated. They
want you. And he said to me, but they're mad
at me. I don't want to come back. And at that
time, Meditron is showing me my nephew's life.
He's showing me that he's gonna be helping people
and so I convey that to him I say you got to
come back your life, man You're gonna be you're
sent here to help people, you know, you're gonna
be helping people You're gonna have a great life.
Um, you you got to come back. And so he told
me all right I'm coming back, but I didn't feel
it because someone somehow in that room You can't
you when you tell if you if you hear a lie, you
can't it doesn't it doesn't resonate Like so
I'm like no, you're not coming back. I say you
got to convince me that you're coming back You
know, and so we have this conversation and he
says, okay, I'm coming back. And I felt like
he was coming back at this point. And he said,
but I just want to stay here a little while longer
because the feeling that I feel here, this is
the best feeling I ever felt. And I'm like, I
know, isn't it? The great feeling. I said, so
you're coming back. And he said, yeah. And with
that Meditron whisked me back and I come back
in my body. And as soon as I get back, It's early
in the morning. I mean, it's like two in the
morning, three in the morning. I get back, I
text my brother everything that I said to his
son and everything his son said to me. And I
said, he'll be back. And then I fall asleep.
Then I wake up to a text that Jeff, yes, confirmation.
And at that time, I just let him spend time with
his son, you know, and then we talk. his son
from this is the story my brother tells me his
son told him the same story that I texted him
you know the same story the same thing and he's
like you know he was there and he told me to
come back and I told him no and then he was he
told me that I'd be helping people and all of
that so that was some powerful stuff that was
my edification to go from believing to knowing
yeah you know And today, yeah, and today, he's
a firefighter in the city of Richmond, Virginia.
So he's saving people's lives. He's doing what
we spoke about in that conversation on the other
side. And there has been many. If I was one of
your family members, that would have made a believer
out of me. Once I heard that account, and when
your nephew woke up and corroborated the story,
That would've made a believer out of me. I would've
went from thinking you were crazy to, hey, maybe
Jess got something here. Yeah, a lot of them
say, you know, there was a lot of things that
I told my family that they ignored and they watched
it come to pass and then they come and say, you
know, you were right. Like, you know, I wouldn't
have told you if I thought I was wrong. And I
only get this stuff from the Divine. It's only
through meditation and staying close to God is
where I get these things, you know. A lot of
things like that. But yeah, a lot of them, a
few of them call me God. A lot of my friends,
they'll call me J .C. too, meaning Jesus Christ,
the Second Coming, things like that. But I always
tell them, you know, we all have this, and that's
what they sent me back to teach. is that we all
have these powers and all have these gifts. It's
about how much you want to detach from what the
world is telling you what to do. How much of
that do you want to detach from that? Because
if you detach from that and focus on your spirituality
and communicating with the Creator, you will
see all of these gifts come to fruition. You'll
see them happen in your lives. I teach people
this but it like it takes it takes some work,
you know, it takes some some some discipline
and it takes It takes some some discipline and
you got to love yourself you got to love the
world you have to love the Creator While you
are I grew up Jehovah's Witness so, you know,
I think it's a remarkable that I I am open to
hearing and believing in any of this stuff. And
I understand that not everybody is open to the
idea of reincarnation and life after death and
near death and out of body experiences. I know
it's not for everyone, but I do believe that
there are certain people that I think there comes
a time in your life, maybe it's everyone or maybe
it's select people, I don't know, but I feel
there's a point for some people where you start
to challenge what you've been taught. And not
so much from a standpoint of unbelief, Jeff.
I'm talking more so like a general curiosity
as to, is there more to this? Or is there a higher
level of understanding that can be ascertained?
So more from that standpoint. So I think that's
what's going on with me. It's not that I disbelieve
what I grew up believing. believe in Jehovah
and Jesus Christ and I pray in the name of Jesus,
all that stuff, none of that has been lost. I
don't think it ever be lost. But what I have
seemed to have lost is this concept of religion.
I believe it's a man -made distortion of the
universal concepts that come from God or the
source or the divine or whatever people want
to refer to it as. I believe that mankind and
maybe this originated with you know, a darker
energy, the devil or what have you, but I believe
that they use religion to cause division here
on earth and all sorts of chaos. And you know,
use it as a way to manipulate us. And I think
that's what that download of information that
you were getting when you were in that realm,
they were trying to reveal to you hidden knowledge
and say, hey, you guys, everything is not what
it seems there, you're not being told the truth,
you're not being presented all the information,
so I think there was an uncovering of your eyes,
so to speak, and that was part of your ministry
that you were sent back with to share with those
who are, you know, having the ear to hear and
are open -minded about it. Would you agree? Yes,
I would agree wholeheartedly that we are definitely,
that was one of the things, you know, we are
definitely Being manipulated into looking seeing
things differently, you know one of the things
that When I came to a conclusion after I studied
all these things and and you know years of studying
things I come to the conclusion that This is
it's all a facade and everything we were taught
there. I don't nothing we were taught is the
truth It's like total manipulation the whole
way and and it's only when you when you wake
up and see you can you see it, you know, and
You know, um, I always I always uh when I when
I speak of these things I use a doctor I mean
a Reverend Ike reference I was there too. I had
the blinders on and I saw what you're seeing
right now Yet if you just take a moment brief
second to question what you are seeing and and
go with your senses and what's inside of you
you'll see the truth you know and and that's
where what would that's what leads me to to continue
to seek the truth and to continue to in my work
to what I call wake people up you know right
did you ever get tired of telling this story
or is it It's more like a ministry to you and
you get energized from it. I do. I get energized
from telling the story. I tell it so much, you
know. It can be mundane to the person who's saying
it, you know. Yet when I see or feel the energy
of someone when I tell it to them for the first
time, I realize that, you know, it's not mundane,
Jeff. You know, you're just you're just doing
it day to day. So it gets it gets a little boring
to tell the story. Yet this whole thing has changed
every aspect, the scope of my life, you know.
So I love telling the story. And in the beginning,
you know, you couldn't get me to stop telling
the story. And hours, hours go by so quickly
when we're speaking, when I'm speaking, you know
this. Right. So they taught me things from the
aspect of naming my child. I have a child since
then, but they taught me that what I name my
child is what I'll be calling them. So name it
something that means something that's going to
uplift them. Just that alone. Naming your child,
the way you speak, the way we speak, they taught
me how to speak without negatives towards myself.
Never speak any negative towards myself, you
know? True. Never speak in the negative when
you want a thing from the universe, God. Never
ask God to give you, to help you not do a thing,
you know? Don't let me get into an accident.
Never ask things like that. Don't even bring
them into The realm this realm don't even speak
it into this realm, you know as for for I like
the the Christians say traveling mercies or the
way I do it is I visualize Visualization is the
imagination is the most powerful thing we have
here is the most powerful tool that the creator
gave us because with this imagination we can
imagine a Thing and we can bring it into existence
here. And that's what I do. This is what I teach
people to do how to use their imagination to
visualize what they want here. You know, we can
use the Christian scripture as above whatever
Jesus said, whatsoever you ask in heaven that
shall be given to you here on earth. Well, the
way I interpret that is interpretate interpret
that is When I go to work the placement meditation
that is the second heaven, you know what I call
the second heaven so when I ask when I'm in meditation
I visualize I ask for what I want there and Then
I know once I visualize it and ask for it there
It shall be given to me here in this realm in
the material, you know, um every every aspect
of my life has has it from that day the learning
from learning that to this is is about Asking
in the spirit and watching it materialize here
on earth and once you realize that that's how
it work It's not a begging. There's no begging
or pleading with God. He gave us this power to
man things into our lives And so that's the way
I use it. That's the way I teach people to use
it. You can ask you can ask There's many many
different ways and that's one thing. I always
say too is there are many Call them amulets That
you can use in this realm. There's many things
you can use in this realm to achieve what you
want You know, they'll call it I don't deal with
any of the dark magic or anything dark You know
because that which I come to understand is these
things are real there's dark forces and in this
world are real and That you can conjure them
and you have no control over them. Yes, and I
was gonna mention that to you because And I don't
know, but I'm not a big fan of the whole tarot
card type thing, anything dealing with the cold
and magic. And I'm just, you know, it does not
feel right to me. I feel like that's a different
type of energy. And, you know, that's when you
get into the whole conjuring things like you
were talking about. And just like you can conjure
good energy, good spirits, I think there's the
other side, too, that you can conjure up. So
you have to be really careful with that stuff,
with these tarot cards and these. And I see a
lot of people doing that online now. And I don't
think a lot of them realize that they're practicing
in the occult. And they can attach themselves
or become attached to negative entities that
may not be so easy to get rid of. Yes, and in
my teaching so I had you know I would have these
on -the -fly teachings in my meditations where
metatron would take me in the spirit to the second
heaven and he would put me and I'd be around
total a number of dark beings and this was my
first one of my first lessons and he said now
None of these will touch you and then we walked
through him and he said that's because you have
the light of love in your heart. You have to
keep the light. When you dabble in this, when
you come to this second heaven, make sure you
have the love of God in your heart, the love
for everything in your heart. It said because
that is the light. These are dark beings. They
cannot be, they cannot touch the light. They
cannot come to the light. So if you have that
light, which is love, your heart when you come
to this room none of them can touch you and they
will all bow and shy away from you because you
they see the light that's in you and this is
how I traversed the second heaven and it's not
through Any tarot cards or magic? It's just having
the love of God in your heart Loving God and
everything it told you because God is everything
so you have to love everything you know if you're
going to do these things, but That's what keeps
the darkness away, that love that you have. And
that's one of those key tenets that I have noticed
that's a common thread in all of these NDE accounts
is that they come back with God is everything,
God is everywhere, love everybody, love everything.
And, you know, so some things are just common.
And even with religion, if you look at religion,
you would think a lot of that will come from
that. But I've seen too many times, even in the
faith that I grew up with, where religion has
made people feel bad about themselves or has
caused distances in families and relationships
and have caused division. That's not of God.
When you're talking about division and you're
feeling bad about yourself and you're feeling,
you know, convicted or What's the word I'm looking
for this is not convicted but it is if you're
feeling negative thoughts towards yourself or
I'm not This enough or that enough. Uh -huh.
Yeah. Yeah None of that's from God. Yeah Self
-loathing that was one of the first things that
I had to do and it said you have to know who
you are That's what they told me and what did
that mean man? I had to find out who I was but
what what I can say is Knowing who you are means
that you love yourself, you know, knowing that
you are a piece, a prime piece of the Infinite
Creator and that's who you are. The Christians
will call you a priestly, you know, you're the
priest, the sons of God. This is who we are.
We are actually a portion, a portion of the spirit
of this Infinite Creator. You know, and our body
houses that portion, which we'll call our soul,
and we are a divine spark of the Creator. And
when you realize that, and you know that, and
that you have every power afforded to you in
this realm that the Creator has, it empowers
you. It makes you... gives you more self -esteem
when you realize it, you know. Because we talk
about this all the time, you know. You've probably
heard the cliche, you know, God is everything,
God is love, you know, God's in everything. Yet,
when you really contemplate it and get to know
this thing, that's when it all, it opens up for
you and you can start creating whatever you want.
We're just, we're miniature creators of the Creator.
Right, I think it's all in that one scripture,
and I don't know what the exact scripture is,
but it basically says, be still and know I am
God. Yes, the whole thing right there, and he's
saying, I am God, and he's also talking about
yourself. Yes! I don't know why people don't
understand that, be still, that's telling you
to meditate, to center yourself. Meditate, yep.
Be still and know. I am God. That He is God,
that you in yourself are God. Yes. Yes. People
don't understand it, and I didn't understand
it for the longest, so I'm not chastising, but
if you just meditate on that scripture, it will
get you to where you need to be mentally to start
opening yourself to a greater awareness of who
you are, what you are, the power that you have.
That's why I'm so energized about this topic
and NDE. It's not this spooky, mystical, weird
thing and something that you need to be afraid
of and, oh, that's not in my Bible. It's just
so much to it. I'm trying to get people to be
more open to at least... hearing about it and
seeing what parts of it resonate with you. Maybe
listen to a few more NDE accounts and see what
you come away with. Notice those common threads
that are in these stories. Every NDE story that
I've heard, they all come back with these same
things. God is love. Love is everywhere. Love
is in everything. You don't get that from religion.
You don't. No, you don't. You should do this.
You should do that. You're bad if you don't do
this. You're good if you do this. And the division
in my religion is better than yours and all that.
Can't you see how manmade and just crappy that
is? That's not of God. Yeah. Yeah. And when I
look at when I look at the Christian religion,
I look at it and I see that there were humans
who started out wanting to do right by God. And
then this faith was hijacked by those who wanted
to seize power and control over people. You know,
when I studied how Christianity came along and
how, you know, when the emperors got a hold of
it and did what they did to it. And that right
there is where, you know, I draw the line with
religion where I say, okay, I got to part from
here because now You've interjected a lot of
mankind's, how can I say, do gooding that really
wasn't necessary, you know. I even look at when,
by the time Jesus came on the scene, there was
10 commandments when Moses started. By the time
Jesus came on, it was like 250 -something commandments.
And he's like, look, y 'all can't even keep your
own laws. You know, so basically man has a way
of hijacking the goodness of God, you know, and
if we just keep it simple and just keep our connection
with it, you know, it guides us in all truth.
It'll tell you anything you want to know. It'll
slay your enemies. I've seen that many times
in this journey, people who would call themselves
my enemy and how... they've either been taken
out of this realm or their lives aren't doing
the way that they wish that they would. This
thing, it protects you, it's a protector, it's
a comforter. It's like I could be in any part
of the world by myself and knowing that I'm protected
by the hand of the Almighty and that this this
guardian angel is right here with me, you know.
There's a scripture in the Bible that says, lo,
I am with you always, you know. Even I'm with
you always, and I tend to say it. I say it a
lot, and I reflect on it a lot, and I'll be doing
something over these past 12 years, and I'm out
of trying to hear, and he'll say, I'm always
with you. And when you think I'm not with you,
I'm right here You know, I was just about to
ask you. Do you still communicate with metatron?
Oh Every day every day. I still go into deep
meditation. I don't do anything without Meditating
on it first arm and listening to metatron even
the book the book there You know the book how
it came in the past was it was divine, you know
The publisher who came to me, you know, and said
that he'd been, you know, I don't know if you
know this story, but I'm going to tell this story
because it's all divinely guided. You know, the
publisher comes, he gets a hold of me, finds
me and he said, I've been looking, you know,
I started this publishing company some years
ago and I've had a successful publishing company.
One of the things that happened to me in the
beginning of this publish when I started this
company is that I made a promise to God that
I would dedicate my business to it to him and
He told me he told me that He was gonna bless
my business yet and somewhere in that career
in this thing You have to write a book for somebody
for free Well some years later after this publishing
company and I do an interview with on the Jeff
Marshall I believe he contacts me and he says
I've been looking For years for the person I
was going to write this book for free for and
it's you and so that's how it started and then
I Met I said, you know, I appreciate your offer.
I got to meditate on it And so I go and meditate
and Metatron tells me you know what give them
50 % of everything so, you know 50 % of everything
and With that I went back with my offer the next
day. I told him yep. I'm willing to do it but
I'm not gonna do it unless you get 50 % of everything.
With that, he gave me an agent, a booking agent
and a manager, and he said, we're gonna push
this thing all over the world. You know, through
interviews, YouTube interviews and Skype, on
Skype and Zoom. And we've been doing that for
a year and a half, and the response has been
overwhelming. But it was only that, it was only
that Listen to Metatron that I got this because
it was it was his offer was I'm gonna just write
the book for you You do everything else, you
know, you push it promoted whatever, you know,
and I know people who write books It's hard to
push and promote a book, you know and so he put
if he he took on that that for the sake of the
book or his stake in it now, he's got a 50 %
stake in it, which I'm happy with I don't mind
because One thing I've learned is these material
things aren't where it's at, man. The moment
I died, all of the material things I had meant
nothing. Right. Nothing. They meant nothing.
And the only reason I have a material thing is
because in this life that I would say a luxury
or anything is because in my own personal spirit,
I particularly like that thing. There's no influencer
from the outside world that tells me I need to
drive a Mercedes or that I need to drive this
or that I need to have that. Because what I've
come to understand is that these things mean
nothing. They're temporary and they're here more
temporarily. We'll have them for a short amount
of time. And that's it. There's no need to kill,
steal, and hurt people over these material things
in this world. But most people, a lot of people
don't see that. And I'm fortunate and blessed
to see those things. I used to be one of those
people that were caught up in the whole materialistic
side of things. And I'm glad I've been able to
lose that over the years. None of that stuff
matters. At this point in my life, I love peace.
I love solitude and I love meditation. I'm a
baby in meditation. I've only been doing it for
maybe less than a year. And over the past, I'll
say this year, I've started doing it maybe twice
a day for 10 minutes early in the morning, 10
minutes at night. And speaking of meditation,
and I know we're going over time, we're going
to wrap up shortly. But I heard that you... You
mentioned in another podcast when I was preparing
for this show, I think it was, was it Jeff Maura
or something like that? Jeff Maura, yeah. Yes,
yes. You talked about guided meditation. It was
sort of your go -to practice. Yes, yes, yes.
You touched on the DMT stuff and all of that,
but you really spoke highly of the guided meditation.
And I think there was, what was the guy's name?
Was it Paul? Paul Santisi. Paul Santisi, yes.
I tried his remove negative blocks guided meditation
yesterday, and it was the most incredible experience.
At first, I didn't think it was gonna work. But
before I knew it, I was in this weird place.
I knew where I was was in my subconscious mind,
which I had never been able to touch or dabble
in or experience. I could feel and sense everything
on the outside of my body. I was in my subconscious
mind. And it was such a weird and eerie feeling,
but it also felt great. I saw all types of visions
and sensations and symbols. And I was getting
a little afraid because I was like, how do I
get out of this? Is it going to guide me out
of this state? It was almost like being in a
trance. But it was the most wonderful experience.
It felt like maybe 10 or 15 minutes, but if you
know that particular meditation, it's over. It's
almost an hour and a half long. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty
long. I was in deep trance for over an hour.
It felt like 10, 15 minutes. And it was just
incredible. I was like, OK, now I see what Jeff
is talking about. This is it, right? Yes. Yes.
And here's the secret. When you're there, that's
when you visualize what you want. See yourself
having it. See yourself. Whatever it is that
you want see yourself in your happy state of
achieving it. So if it's a car See yourself in
it With all of the luxuries that you that you
want in it, you know the leather seats play with
the radio, you know This is how you the best,
you know your dream home The same way you go
in and you do that, you know anything though,
you know, you got you got a pressing business
meeting You know, you got to interview with this
guy named Dr. Jerry. You know, there's this renowned
doctor and with the radio show, you know, you
go in and you visualize it the way that you want
it to come out. And then when you come out of
it, leave it right there. Leave it there and
just know that the universe, God, whatever you
want to call it, is going to make it happen.
This was the most profound thing. you know when
it when I discovered meditation was the most
profound thing was that I thought meditation
just you know calm the mind and that's all you
do you go any and that's a great thing to calm
the mind to silence the mind to get rid of all
the negative that you accumulated throughout
the day you know or or to call into existence
your day that's coming so yeah this but when
I realized when I was shown that this is where
you manifest what you want in your life as above
so below whatsoever you ask in heaven it shall
be given unto you you know that on earth and
that's what it is right there and that yeah it's
powerful stuff man i'm glad to hear that man
you you you just raised my vibration in time
oh man i was so excited to talk to you man the
visual visualization stuff works i visualized
our a conversation this morning about how this
will go. I visualize us laughing and talking
and just having a really good conversation and
that's what came to pass. Visualization really
does work. That's prayer. That's not to distract
anyone from praying to God, but that's how you
call into your life what you want to experience.
That's how I pray. That's how I pray. And I still
pray the traditional way, but I found that meditation
helps to draw things because it clears your mind
and you also get to visualize what you want,
whether it's a vacation or, like you said, a
car or just a certain set of circumstances or
what have you, or doing well on an interview,
just any number of things. You want to visualize
that in your mind and picture it going the way
you want it to go. Wow, this has been an enlightening
show. I'm sorry we went over time, but thank
you so much for being generous with your time
with us. I've enjoyed it so much. I know our
listeners have enjoyed it. And like I said, I
truly appreciate you. Before we close out though,
do you have any final words of wisdom for our
listeners tonight? What I can say is that this
story that I tell, it's my story. Everything
in there is for everybody. So when I speak about
these gifts that I have, these powers, how to
manifest, how to meditate, how to walk in this
life, it's for you. I'm speaking to your audience.
It's for you. It is for you. It's for all of
us. And that's one of the things that they showed
me. And I was told to convey that everyone here
is chosen. everyone. It's up to you to say, okay,
I'm chosen and this is my purpose and I'm going
for it. You know, everybody has this power. You
just have to tap into it. It'll take some work
and it's not work. It's more mental work than
anything, you know, disciplining yourself to,
to get in touch with that thing we call God and
always, always, always. Give gratitude to God,
the Creator, whatever you call it in your circle,
the universe, God, the Creator. Always give gratitude
and thankfulness to that thing we call God, and
you can't go wrong, man. You pursue whatever
you want. It's the key, man. It's the key. Well
said. All right, everyone, that's our show for
tonight. Huge thanks once again to Mr. Jeff Cleckley.
If you'd like to dive deeper into his near -death
experience, grab a copy of his book. It's called
I Walk Amongst Gods, and it's available now on
Amazon. Or you can visit his website, IWalkAmongstGods
.com, and you'll get access to his guided meditations
and information about upcoming retreats and other
speaking engagements. As always, you can catch
a replay of this episode on artistfirst .com
or wherever you stream your favorite shows. Be
sure to join me next Wednesday, June 18th at
6 p .m. Eastern. It's going to be another live
episode of the show. So thank you, guys. I'm
your host, Andre Jerry. And until next time,
stay grounded, stay growing. And if you do happen
to find yourself walking amongst gods, just make
sure you come back with a good story. All right.
Good night, everybody. Take care.