1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,520 Dr. Jerry, you got the whole world waiting. 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:07,120 Been ready for you to start the conversation. 3 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:10,640 No point of view, we got the haters confused. 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:14,080 Leave it up to you to bring us all the good news. 5 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:19,200 Positive five lives and the six appeal to Dr. Andre Jerry. 6 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:20,960 Cannot get an interview. 7 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,600 You, you, you, you, you, you. 8 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:24,400 Hello everyone. 9 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:26,960 I am Reginald Bullock, your guest host for the evening. 10 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,880 And tonight we have an exceptional show for you. 11 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,120 For the millions of you turning in worldwide, 12 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,040 get ready to be enlightened and inspired 13 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,040 as we engage in an extraordinary conversation 14 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:41,720 with founder and CEO, Shanae Bullock. 15 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,360 In tonight's episode, we'll explore the impetus 16 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:48,280 behind Shanae's new book, 50 Plant Medicines, 17 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,400 Indigenous Oral History and Perspective, 18 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:53,400 and how it could change your life. 19 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,520 The unique roadblocks faced by the Native American women 20 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,960 entrepreneurs like Shanae, as they make their mark 21 00:00:59,960 --> 00:01:01,720 in the corporate landscape. 22 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:05,160 Also, Shanae's company, Muskie Tube Consulting, 23 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:09,240 and how she uses her company to impact culture and heritage. 24 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,400 And finally, the fourth topic we'll explore tonight. 25 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:16,280 And of course, we'll definitely talk about Shanae's vision 26 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:21,080 and aspirations for Indigenous people of the United States. 27 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:26,880 So, Shanae, before we dive into the details, who are you? 28 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:28,000 Thank you. 29 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:29,840 That was an amazing introduction. 30 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:33,160 Well, I am, like you mentioned, Shanae Bullock. 31 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,360 I'm also your daughter. 32 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,520 So, catch out the back to anybody that didn't know, 33 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,360 but you are my dad. 34 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:46,200 And I am a very proud woman of the Shinnecock Nation, 35 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,560 which is located in Southampton, Long Island, New York. 36 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:55,160 And I'm just an all-around, really humanitarian entrepreneur. 37 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:56,920 And I like to use the term mogul. 38 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,000 So that's who I am. 39 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:00,840 You like to use the term what? 40 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:02,160 Mogul. 41 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:03,080 What's that? 42 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,880 Mogul. 43 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,040 Well, mogul is someone who really just kind of takes on 44 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:10,600 a lot of different challenges. 45 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:14,040 And it does a lot of work, whether it's in philanthropy, 46 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,680 whether it's in human rights work, 47 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,040 but also entrepreneurialism. 48 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:24,640 And we just take it by the reins, and we just go for it. 49 00:02:24,640 --> 00:02:30,040 Well, audience, as you have heard, I am not Dr. Andre Jerry. 50 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,040 He is actually on an airplane right now, 51 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,760 flying back to the United States to do business, 52 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,400 and requested that I do this show for him. 53 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:39,800 And so I am Reginald Bullock. 54 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,000 And you just heard my daughter let the cat out of the bag. 55 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:44,280 She is Shanae Bullock. 56 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,160 And we're excited to do this show for you. 57 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,680 So we hope that we are able to bring it to the same standard 58 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,160 that Dr. Andre Jerry does. 59 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,320 I know he has an international listening base, 60 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,240 so I hope you enjoy this. 61 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:04,000 Shanae, the impetus behind your book, 50 Plant Medicines, 62 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,600 Indigenous Oral History and Perspective, 63 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:11,080 what caused you to just decide to do that? 64 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:15,280 Well, interestingly enough, my book is actually 65 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:19,360 dedicated to my brother, Reginald Bullock, your son. 66 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:23,160 Because during the pandemic, most people had to pivot. 67 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,560 A lot of my work is done outdoors 68 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:29,080 and in the natural environment. 69 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,360 And with that being said, we were having a conversation. 70 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,720 And he was like, Shanae, somehow the work that you do 71 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:38,680 has to be able to get to people just by a click of a button. 72 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:42,160 And I was like, well, how do I do that? 73 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:43,600 I give plant walks. 74 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,480 And I started to realize that so many people needed 75 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:50,800 to really understand the natural environment. 76 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,040 And you can go into a grocery store and buy tea, 77 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:56,960 but do you know how to identify those plants? 78 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,240 So I sat down, and I just literally 79 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:03,560 jotted off the top of my head about 50 Indigenous plants 80 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:07,120 that if you walk outside, you should be able to identify them. 81 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:08,600 And I just started talking about them. 82 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:13,320 And then I published a book, an e-book, called 50 Plant 83 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:16,400 Medicine's Indigenous Oral History and Perspective. 84 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:19,120 And so that was really what made me start that book. 85 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,920 And it's just taken off since. 86 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:23,880 OK. 87 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:28,760 So now you also say that it can change your life. 88 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,640 So how does the 50 Plant Medicine book 89 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,240 change a person's life? 90 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:38,880 Well, like I said, during the pandemic, 91 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,800 a lot of people were starting to turn inward, right? 92 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:47,000 In their own homes, in their own sort of estates, 93 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,600 just what's around them. 94 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:53,360 And if you're hiking or just being outside, 95 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,520 there are a lot of amount of Indigenous plants 96 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,880 that can change your life. 97 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:03,040 If you have respiratory issues, if you have things going on 98 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,560 with your joints, if you have rashes, 99 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:07,720 if you've been bitten by a bug, there 100 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,880 are so many different plant medicines out there 101 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:14,400 that exist sometimes within the comfort of your own backyard 102 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,080 or your front yard. 103 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,480 Sometimes they grow in the crevices of sidewalks, 104 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:23,120 and you may not even realize you've been bitten or stung 105 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,360 by a bee. 106 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,200 You need to do something immediately. 107 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,760 There are so many different plants out there 108 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:34,920 that their uses are for that, life saving. 109 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:39,680 So I'd say knowing the oral history is kind of how 110 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:41,400 I've been able to learn about these things, 111 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:46,240 but sharing it is how others get to know about it. 112 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,560 An example, Shanae, you're out there walking. 113 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:51,960 You come across the plant, and you use it. 114 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,240 What kind of plants have you come across, 115 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,360 and what have you used them for? 116 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,120 Well, I'd say mullin is a big common plant 117 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,280 that a lot of people are becoming a lot more aware of. 118 00:06:03,280 --> 00:06:08,480 It's a beautiful plant that grows very tall, is left alone. 119 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,360 I've seen some mullin plants the same height as I am. 120 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,640 It's not even taller. 121 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,160 And you know you're walking up upon it, 122 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:21,240 because the leaves can almost be a lot bigger than your hand, 123 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,800 sometimes larger than your arm. 124 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:31,240 And they're fuzzy, like bunny's ears, very light green. 125 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:36,240 And they have little yellow flowers every other year 126 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,360 that grows up the stalk there. 127 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:43,360 And that plant specifically, those mullin leaves, once dried, 128 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,400 can be used in many different ways. 129 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,400 You can use them by steaming. 130 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,600 You can use it by drying and making a tea. 131 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:54,800 And believe it or not, you can actually inhale it 132 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:59,080 by consuming it, like when it's smoking it in a pipe, 133 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:03,600 or some sort of paper, natural paper. 134 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:04,560 You can actually smoke it. 135 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,360 And what that does, the mullin itself 136 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,960 actually helps with your respiratory. 137 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:15,120 It really helps to get rid of the mucus in your body, 138 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,120 especially around the time of allergy season. 139 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:21,760 A lot of people have itchy eyes, or your body 140 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:23,760 builds up what's called histamine, 141 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,120 and that produces the mucus. 142 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,280 And that mullin actually helps to stop 143 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,840 with that increase of histamine and starts 144 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:35,080 to get rid of that mucus. 145 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,480 It's actually been known to help a lot of people that 146 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:41,000 have asthma, like really severe asthma problems. 147 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,240 I know a lot of parents that have said that it saved 148 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,240 their children's lives with asthma. 149 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:46,560 So mullin is one of those that you 150 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:50,520 want to keep on your shelf at all times. 151 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:54,200 How did you get started into this type of understanding 152 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,880 of plants as medicine? 153 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:00,520 Well, believe it or not, Dad, I did listen when I was a kid. 154 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:07,680 I was always one of those people that just asked questions, 155 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:12,440 like very detailed questions. 156 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:16,280 Somebody was just, we went hiking as kids. 157 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:20,520 And sometimes if I was on a tour with someone, 158 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:22,800 I'd always ask very insightful questions. 159 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:26,200 I always ask why, what part, what does it look like, 160 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:27,200 or how would you know? 161 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,520 Or I was that kid. 162 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:33,080 So a lot of people either, A, needed to have patients with me, 163 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:37,560 or I needed to be put next to or underneath teachers 164 00:08:37,560 --> 00:08:39,360 that had that kind of patience. 165 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,080 And I spent a lot of time with elders. 166 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:46,520 You know, my mom's side of the family is Shinnokok. 167 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,400 And she grew up on the reservation. 168 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,640 And believe it or not, she knows a lot about plants. 169 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:56,680 And so growing up, I just always remember her with her tinctures 170 00:08:56,680 --> 00:09:01,000 and her salves and her teeth and her butters. 171 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,720 And I mean, I just know that there would be a problem. 172 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:05,840 And she would just come and fix it. 173 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,320 As I got older, I started to realize 174 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,040 what she was fixing it with and started 175 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:14,200 to asking her some of those questions 176 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,320 and just walking with her, doing things. 177 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:18,760 I was just like, oh, wow, this is something 178 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,720 that she's known all my life. 179 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:22,720 I just needed to just start asking. 180 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,440 And then when I start asking, well, where did you learn it? 181 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:29,920 So I'd go spend time with the people that she learned it from. 182 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:33,600 And that's kind of how I think at my age, which 183 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:38,880 we're not going to say, I've been able to learn a lot more. 184 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,760 And I have so much more to go, so much more to learn. 185 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:46,360 So speaking of learn, there are probably a lot of parents, 186 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,760 and soon to be parents, listening to this radio show. 187 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:51,280 You have children. 188 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:55,040 What would you recommend to parents with children? 189 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:56,560 I mean, that's an oxymoron, right? 190 00:09:56,560 --> 00:09:59,120 But what would you recommend to parents 191 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:03,120 to help get their children started in discovery? 192 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,320 Not necessarily exactly the way you did it, 193 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:06,520 but to open your eyes. 194 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:11,560 I know on your website and various Facebook posts 195 00:10:11,560 --> 00:10:15,360 and other things, you are always around children. 196 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,000 So how would you encourage parents 197 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:22,080 to expose their children to this type of opportunity? 198 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:26,560 Well, I think it's always great to know the child. 199 00:10:26,560 --> 00:10:29,400 Sometimes wanting to expose the child to something 200 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:33,040 that they just don't register with, 201 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:34,720 it can essentially be a waste of time. 202 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,480 But there might be something within that. 203 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,760 And just having them around it and then really paying attention 204 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:46,960 to what about that environment is the child drawn to. 205 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:48,280 Just having them outside. 206 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:52,920 Some children just really not into plants, they're into bugs. 207 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:58,160 Some children just not really into flowers, they're into trees. 208 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:02,800 Like, there are people that literally, their job 209 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:07,200 is to diagnose trees. 210 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:08,320 And that is fascinating. 211 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:10,360 And there are some people that are just into plants. 212 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:12,360 And so I think, I mean, into grasses, 213 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:16,080 which is a whole different spectrum in itself. 214 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:20,040 Some children just got to figure out what area. 215 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:24,160 But I would say, just find, there's plant walks 216 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:24,960 that you can go on. 217 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,360 There's hiking tours. 218 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,640 There's an amazing group of women 219 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,200 that they do something called a maternity hike. 220 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:34,680 I don't know if they're still doing it. 221 00:11:34,680 --> 00:11:36,760 But almost every other Sunday or every Sunday, 222 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:38,880 they were doing like a maternity hike. 223 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:40,840 And a handful of doulas and midwives 224 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:46,160 bring their mommies to be and the dads hiking. 225 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,640 And it's usually like a three mile hike. 226 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:51,480 And they do this every Sunday. 227 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:57,040 And so I was able to go and just sort of, 228 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,400 you know, just kind of help a little bit with plant 229 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:00,440 identification. 230 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,920 But that hike alone is just like, you know, 231 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,920 something good for this child to just get used to. 232 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,800 I have a godson where we would just go walking, 233 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:10,640 we go hiking, and then just take the time 234 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:11,280 and stop. 235 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:12,960 There's so many cool apps out there. 236 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,760 There's an app that I use called Picture This. 237 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:17,960 I pay the premium. 238 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,680 Picture This. 239 00:12:20,680 --> 00:12:23,560 And kids are really into technology, right? 240 00:12:23,560 --> 00:12:27,440 So how do you kind of bring them into nature? 241 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,880 Well, you kind of bring little hints of that technology. 242 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,640 Maybe bring the iPad and you download Picture This. 243 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,720 And you use that app and you take a picture of it. 244 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:40,000 And you know, my godson's nine, he can now 245 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:43,440 identify at least nine different indigenous plants, right? 246 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,120 When he was six, he knew six. 247 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:47,240 And that was exciting. 248 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:48,000 That was a game. 249 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,240 It's like, OK, well, if you're four years old, 250 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,320 you need to know four plants. 251 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:56,760 And so we go down the same path, you know, every weekend. 252 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:58,960 And I would point it out and I'd say, what is this? 253 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:00,280 And he would say, white pine. 254 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:01,520 I'm like, OK, well, what is this? 255 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:03,000 He would say cedar. 256 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:04,240 And that is encouraging. 257 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,920 And then eventually, as he's older, 258 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,000 if I'm somewhere on the trail, I could say, 259 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:10,680 I need you to go get me some cedar. 260 00:13:10,680 --> 00:13:13,480 He should be able to come back with cedar leaves, 261 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,640 because one, he's remembered what cedar looks like. 262 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:19,840 And when we come home, he knows what to do with cedar 263 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:21,040 when he has a fever. 264 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:22,440 He's like, can you boil cedar? 265 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,600 And I put my head over it and you see my face. 266 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,320 He's now nine and he knows how to do that. 267 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,680 Now when he becomes 15, he can leave the house, 268 00:13:31,680 --> 00:13:34,000 go get the cedar, come back in the house, 269 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,800 boil the pot for me if I needed it. 270 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:42,640 And so it starts at a young age, started at a really young age. 271 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:46,440 And it just starts with plant identification. 272 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:47,560 So thank you, Shanae. 273 00:13:47,560 --> 00:13:49,080 You may have noticed that my sound 274 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:50,080 sounds a little different. 275 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:53,120 We are on an international radio show. 276 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,120 So I switched from cell phone to landline, 277 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:57,880 because it changed. 278 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,000 But thank you for keeping it going. 279 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,240 I want to transition, if you don't mind, 280 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,200 to a different subject. 281 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,560 All of these are about you. 282 00:14:07,560 --> 00:14:10,880 And there is a lot of roadblocks faced 283 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:14,240 by Native American women entrepreneurs. 284 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:18,720 And it's hard sometimes to make their mark and your mark 285 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:20,840 in the corporate landscape. 286 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,400 Can you talk about some of those challenges 287 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:27,480 and the roadblocks you faced as a Native American woman 288 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,400 entrepreneur? 289 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:34,080 Yes, I sure can. 290 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:37,520 There's this term or this phrase that's being put out there. 291 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:42,640 And I don't know how I really sit with it, 292 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:44,440 because it's a phrase that's called 293 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:46,880 the future is female. 294 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:47,880 The what? 295 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:52,800 I believe in the future is female. 296 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:54,760 That's a phrase that's kind of circulating. 297 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:58,560 It's been circulating for the last two, three years. 298 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:05,280 And I believe that there has to be a balance with all people. 299 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:13,560 However, I do recognize that the new energy of femininity, 300 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:19,000 of feminism, and of divine feminine in leadership 301 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:25,280 is very new to what's been the traditional patriarchal, 302 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,280 white male dominated leadership. 303 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,600 And that could be in philanthropy. 304 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:32,320 That could be in business. 305 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,600 That could be anywhere in management. 306 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:40,480 And so a woman like myself, who is the founder and CEO 307 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:45,960 of MoxQ2 Consulting, it's a five-year-owned and operated 308 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:50,000 Native American-owned and operated cultural preservation 309 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:56,440 firm, I have found that when I am at the table, 310 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,840 it is very challenging for others 311 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:03,000 to recognize that this is a woman that actually, 312 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:04,440 the buck stops with her. 313 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,400 She makes the final approval. 314 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,520 And that's a challenge, because it's new. 315 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,640 It's not something that people have been used to. 316 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:18,480 And so I find that in order to succeed, 317 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,120 we have to figure out how to work together. 318 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,240 So I don't necessarily just say, well, this is hard. 319 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:23,320 This is challenging. 320 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:24,720 Nobody wants to listen to me. 321 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:26,520 They just dismiss everything I say. 322 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:30,080 And I'm human, and I get those feelings sometimes, too. 323 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,800 But I try to figure out what is the best way to collaborate? 324 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:38,280 What is the best way for me to not necessarily win them over, 325 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:40,640 but to continue to do what I'm supposed to do, 326 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:45,120 but help them understand there's a new way of moving 327 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,280 when you're dealing with leadership? 328 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,360 To that end, can you give an example 329 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,720 on the most frustrating roadblocks you may have faced 330 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,240 and how you got past it? 331 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:56,320 Yes. 332 00:16:56,320 --> 00:17:00,600 So I actually do some work for my tribe. 333 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,560 You have Native American owned tribal business, 334 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:04,760 which is owned by the tribe. 335 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:06,960 And so I am the CEO managing director 336 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,800 of one of their entities. 337 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:16,720 And so different partners, when it comes to making approvals, 338 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:19,480 it's me that the tribe is elected. 339 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:23,400 And typically, for the most part, everyone 340 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:27,880 that is equivalent to my position on the outside 341 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,080 is usually a white male. 342 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,760 So it's really hard for them. 343 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,880 So a lot of times what I've seen is that instead of saying, 344 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:40,800 OK, yes, Shanae, we'll take that and run with it, 345 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:46,520 they either A, want to say that it's not really my say, 346 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,080 and they try to, they think they're going above me 347 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,840 by speaking to the tribe itself. 348 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:55,760 But the tribe pretty much just goes back and says, 349 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:57,880 we've appointed Shanae into this position, 350 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,400 and it's really her decision. 351 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:06,440 So what I've found is if they try to go around me, 352 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,840 or they try to make it challenging where it takes 353 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:16,000 a really long time for us to actually get something done. 354 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:20,400 Because if it's like, OK, this is how I want to go forward 355 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:20,880 with this. 356 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:22,480 This is how we've assessed it. 357 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:26,000 I have had informed consent to make this decision, 358 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:27,800 and this is what we're going to go on. 359 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,080 Believe it or not, it could take almost two or three months 360 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,280 for them to actually say, OK, well, fine. 361 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,080 We realize that we can't go around her. 362 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:35,360 We realize that. 363 00:18:35,360 --> 00:18:38,280 And it takes mediation. 364 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:42,280 It's really a problem. 365 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,800 And I find that I'm not the only person dealing 366 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:46,640 with this, but it is. 367 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,200 So to that end, you're not the only person. 368 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,640 To the Native American women out there, 369 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:56,280 particularly entrepreneurs, but also Native American women 370 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,760 who aren't entrepreneurs, what would you 371 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:02,640 say to them to help them navigate their path 372 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:09,400 through and around or in under over-the-corporate landscape? 373 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,920 I would say remember who you are. 374 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:19,280 There were women like Kwashiwam, Sakajwia, Harriet Tubman, 375 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:24,440 all kinds of women, Nefertiti, all kinds of women, 376 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:28,440 Queen Sheba, Weetomo. 377 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,400 These were chief women. 378 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:36,080 These were women in positions such as CEO, a managing director, 379 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,960 or founder, or king, or queen. 380 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,400 And we come from those people. 381 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,760 So with that being said, sometimes 382 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:49,600 you have to remind yourself of why you are in the position 383 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:53,880 you are in and then the who you are in that position, not just, 384 00:19:53,880 --> 00:20:00,120 OK, I have this title, but who you are sitting in this office 385 00:20:00,120 --> 00:20:05,320 and be unwavering in that and tap into that energy, which 386 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,960 is divine feminine because it comes from the divine. 387 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:13,000 And that's what I would say to those that are either stepping 388 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,160 into it or, like I said, you don't even 389 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,440 have to be an entrepreneurial woman. 390 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,760 But as long as you are some sort of woman in a leadership 391 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:24,560 position, you will always be challenged. 392 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:29,040 But how we handle it really determines who we are. 393 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:30,480 It really shows who we are. 394 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,960 And I think that's what I'd like to say 395 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:34,080 to those women listening. 396 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,720 OK. 397 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:43,400 So now this journey of where you are now didn't just 398 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:44,080 show up. 399 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:47,320 You had to start somewhere. 400 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:52,320 How hard was it for you to get to where you are now? 401 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,320 Well, it was hard. 402 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:58,920 I think the hardest part was me staying in the court, 403 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:07,720 coming out of college, you couldn't really just get a job. 404 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:09,120 People just didn't. 405 00:21:09,120 --> 00:21:10,400 You don't have experience. 406 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,240 You don't have enough experience. 407 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,160 And the thing that all people, young people out of college 408 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,280 say is, well, how am I supposed to get experience 409 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:18,960 if you're not getting the experience? 410 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,720 So I had to figure out a way to make experience. 411 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:22,080 Right? 412 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,200 Like, I just created my own thing because nobody 413 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:25,120 wanted to hire me. 414 00:21:25,120 --> 00:21:28,200 I was told one time. 415 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,920 I was literally told one time by someone, oh, Shanae, 416 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:32,000 it's your name. 417 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,000 That's why they're not taking your resume. 418 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:35,040 It's your name. 419 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,600 We need to change your name to Ashley or Samantha. 420 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,120 I was literally told that. 421 00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:44,080 Believe it or not, I have been told so many things. 422 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:45,560 But I'll share that little one. 423 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,680 Yeah, I was told that. 424 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:49,720 I just couldn't land a job. 425 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:51,360 Almost for two or three years. 426 00:21:51,360 --> 00:21:52,640 It took a while. 427 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,040 So I had to hustle. 428 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:55,600 I had rent. 429 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,480 I had responsibilities. 430 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,880 I had bills. 431 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:03,560 Not as many responsibilities and bills I have right now. 432 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,800 But at the time, that was a lot coming out of college. 433 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:08,840 Car note, just simple things. 434 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:13,320 And just trying to establish myself in the world, 435 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,960 I wasn't getting the opportunity to have experience. 436 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:21,240 A lot of people just didn't really reach that handout. 437 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,480 So I did a lot of creative things. 438 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,760 I made traditional Native American clothes. 439 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:32,080 I made about 40 outfits a year for three years straight. 440 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:37,200 And I made that for tribes from all the way down from Maine, 441 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,760 all the way down into South Carolina. 442 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,640 And those were just ways to hustle. 443 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,360 And so I took the time to actually just 444 00:22:44,360 --> 00:22:45,600 establish my own business. 445 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,400 I was working 72 hours a week one time. 446 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,400 I was working at a Mojito Sun Casino. 447 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:56,480 And I was working at the Mashantucket Pequot Museum. 448 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:57,960 And Research Center. 449 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,120 And I was actually working. 450 00:23:01,120 --> 00:23:02,880 But I felt like I was in debt. 451 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,680 As I was staying in debt. 452 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,440 Because I wasn't getting anything past $15 an hour. 453 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,840 I took jobs that were $10 an hour, $11 an hour. 454 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:16,400 And I was working over time just to pay a cell phone bill 455 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:17,720 and halfway pay rent. 456 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,640 And in that time, I would stay up and I 457 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,400 would write my business plan. 458 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:24,640 I said, you know what? 459 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,440 A lot of these museums are hiring consultant firms 460 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:28,880 that are not native. 461 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:30,360 Now how is that? 462 00:23:30,360 --> 00:23:32,560 When I'm in here, when they're bringing me up 463 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,640 to these executive offices to pick my brain 464 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:40,080 and still pay me $10 an hour. 465 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,520 And then they're going to pay anywhere 466 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,600 from $5,000 to $55,000 for a contract 467 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,080 for a non-native consulting firm to consult 468 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,440 on what I have the intelligence of. 469 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,560 So I created my own firm. 470 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,560 It didn't take off right away. 471 00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:00,200 I took time to really put into it while I was hustling. 472 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,560 And then eventually, you know, some things stuck. 473 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:11,600 My biggest contract was with the Tribeca Film Institute. 474 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,080 And for me, that was someone giving me experience at that 475 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:15,920 time. 476 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,520 Because I had made the experiences leading up. 477 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,040 So you have to create your experience, I think. 478 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,840 That's incredible. 479 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,080 And I know you create these experiences 480 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:32,800 for a lot of other Native Americans and women in general. 481 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,360 And so we're going to talk about that on the other side 482 00:24:35,360 --> 00:24:35,880 of the break. 483 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,200 But before we continue our conversation with tonight's 484 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,600 esteemed guests, we're going to take a brief commercial break. 485 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,440 So for those of you who are listening to us 486 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,280 and enjoying the education and the conversation 487 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,200 that Chenay is bringing us, don't go anywhere 488 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,720 because you won't want to miss what Chenay has to share next. 489 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,800 So we're going to take about a two-minute break. 490 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:57,720 So stay tuned. 491 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:03,760 And on the other side, Chenay, I want you to tell the audience 492 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,360 what your Native American name is. 493 00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:07,560 We didn't start with that. 494 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:12,000 So I will do that at that break. 495 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:12,600 Hey, everybody. 496 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:13,880 It's Dr. Andre. 497 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,600 I hope you enjoyed this brand new episode of Live 498 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,760 with Dr. Andre Jerry with guest host Reginald Bullock 499 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,960 and special guest Chenay Bullock. 500 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,960 I wanted to take a moment to say thank you for your listenership. 501 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,360 I take pride in bringing you meaningful content 502 00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:31,160 from experts and thought leaders across numerous industries. 503 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,560 If you're an author, entertainer, or entrepreneur 504 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,160 with a product or service that you'd 505 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,440 like to advertise on our show, or if 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518 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:23,520 He is. 519 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,320 That I host this show. 520 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,880 We're about to dive back into a riveting conversation. 521 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,280 We should take a lot of time to see 522 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:36,400 in this history and perspective and founder of my ski 523 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,120 tube consultant. 524 00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:43,680 Earlier on the first half hour, we talked about a book. 525 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,040 We also talked about some of the roadblocks and challenges 526 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,000 faced by Native American women entrepreneurs. 527 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:55,280 And now we're like, I've been to your consulting 528 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,280 and how you are using your company 529 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,400 to impact and heritage. 530 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,840 So before we dive deep into that, we 531 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,160 ask the energy arrow, who are you and your snake boy? 532 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,880 But who else are you and what other names do you go by? 533 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,400 I have a traditional Indian name. 534 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,720 And this is something that was given to me by our namegiver. 535 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,360 And it means I lead canoe-iron butterfly woman. 536 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,520 Now, you just kind of put that out there, right? 537 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:32,600 But I need to take a little privilege here. 538 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,000 In May and June, you did a canoe journey 539 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,560 that I don't know of any other woman has ever done 540 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:44,320 and certainly not in a long time to get inside of a canoe 541 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:49,280 with a paddle and a few other people in the Atlantic Ocean 542 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:53,560 and paddle from the Boston Harbor to New York 543 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,920 through the long island. 544 00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:00,600 What made you decide I can do this? 545 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:06,520 Well, yes, I left from Boston Harbor to New York City. 546 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:11,320 And those traditional lands are of the Northeast 547 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:16,200 Senegalese peoples, the Massachusetts Nipmuc, 548 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,760 as well as the Poncapog and Matakisit peoples out 549 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:20,760 in Massachusetts. 550 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,720 And Wampanoag people, Narragansett, 551 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,800 and then coming into Long Island, the Montauk 552 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,840 and Kutchorg and Shinnokok. 553 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,200 And then as we got into New York City, 554 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:36,720 that's when you're starting to get into the Lenape territory 555 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,160 as well as our other sister tribes out in Long Island. 556 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,920 So this wasn't my first time paddling in Long Island sound. 557 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,600 I have done it before. 558 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:51,760 And I've been paddling probably for canoe journeys 559 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:56,960 almost 12 years now, a little over 12 years. 560 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,200 And this is something that has always 561 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,280 been done in this region by native peoples. 562 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,120 And so what really made me do it, 563 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:10,280 I was invited on this journey by a natural geographic mountain 564 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,360 climber named Freddie Wilkerson. 565 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,280 And there were other tribal peoples 566 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:21,160 from Penobscot, Oninda, and Onondaga. 567 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,000 We're also invited to be guides. 568 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:27,000 And so my portion was to guide through our traditional ancestral 569 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,720 route to our territories. 570 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,560 And it just was something that needs to be done. 571 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,960 I look at it that the water is very sick. 572 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,920 And water has memory. 573 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,160 And those traditional songs and our language 574 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:49,000 that is spoken and sang on the water helps to heal the water 575 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,920 and helps the water to recognize and the life in the water 576 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:58,160 to recognize and know that we still acknowledge them. 577 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,000 Although there's so much destruction 578 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,960 happening under the water and to the water 579 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,680 and around the water, as indigenous people on land, 580 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,400 we are fighting as much as we can. 581 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,360 But it is important for us to get back in the water. 582 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:16,680 So that's what really encouraged me and gave me 583 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:22,040 what you call the audacity to actually jump in a canoe 584 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,320 and paddle that voyage. 585 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:28,160 And you would say, all right, well, not that. 586 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:28,680 I did. 587 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,680 Yes, we actually co-wrote an article 588 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,840 in an international publication called Cultural Survival, 589 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,560 acknowledging the cultural intelligence of the Canoe 590 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,160 people. 591 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,760 You can Google it and just type in Cultural Survival 592 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,920 or Shanae Bullock, Cultural Survival, Original Bullock. 593 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,560 And we co-wrote that article. 594 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,040 All right. 595 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,400 I don't want to go into the trip because I know 596 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,560 it's still emotional. 597 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,480 So I want to talk about mosquito consulting. 598 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,160 What does mosquito mean? 599 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,840 I mean, it sounds like mosquito. 600 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,560 For the average layman person who doesn't know 601 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,440 the Native American language, it does kind of sound like mosquito. 602 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,400 But it's called mosquito. 603 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,760 Yes, mosquito. 604 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:17,400 So mosquito in our traditional language, when I say R, 605 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,320 I do reference the Shinnococ people in Long Island people 606 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:25,120 and all those names I just kind of named a little earlier, 607 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,800 Mokske Tu translates to the word medicine. 608 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,720 So I chose the word Mokske Tu consulting 609 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:37,160 because in our culture, medicine represents not only just 610 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,080 the physical sense, but the spiritual and the mental 611 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:42,680 and the emotional. 612 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,640 And so we consult in those areas. 613 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,600 And so that's why I came up with the name Mokske Tu 614 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:51,280 consulting. 615 00:31:58,280 --> 00:31:59,920 I can talk about clients. 616 00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:01,480 You can talk about them. 617 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,680 You can do in terms of delivery of the services. 618 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,840 But your company is certified. 619 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,960 I think it's even certified with the Small Business 620 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:09,800 Administration. 621 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,280 And so the government has a Native American woman 622 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:22,280 owned by the Hardee Business Service. 623 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:22,920 Yes. 624 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:28,800 So I actually just, interestingly enough, 625 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,600 just went for my Wosby certification. 626 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,920 But I am a Native American owned business. 627 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,280 Like I said, I've been in business. 628 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,640 I'm registered in the SAM registry. 629 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:46,280 We have clients right now, specifically in New York, 630 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:50,360 Brooklyn Botanic Gardens, New York Botanic Gardens. 631 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:55,000 Here in the Atlanta area, we have something called Wawa, 632 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,160 which is the West Atlanta Watershed Alliance. 633 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:03,600 So we do a lot of environmental consulting. 634 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:08,440 And so we do everything from cultural awareness, 635 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:15,040 cultural exchange, cultural intelligence, workshop, 636 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:19,520 just cultural workshops around food sovereignty 637 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,720 and traditional sustainable living. 638 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,360 We've also do eco-tourism. 639 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:27,720 We do paddle tours. 640 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,240 We do hiking tours, plant identification walks. 641 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,080 There's a tremendous amount of different things. 642 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,600 But we try to, like I said, mosquito-meaning medicine. 643 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:43,880 We try to tailor our services really to what the client needs. 644 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,320 And it's not just cookie cutter. 645 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:50,720 It's really what the client is asking for, a wet problem. 646 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,320 A lot of times, our clients are coming to us 647 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,160 to help with a solution. 648 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,440 And usually, that's to strengthen the relationships 649 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,600 that they have with the local tribes within their area. 650 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,800 But also, they usually come to us 651 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,800 realizing that there has been a lack of inclusion, 652 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,880 or even just a lack of awareness when 653 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,240 it comes to tribal people. 654 00:34:15,240 --> 00:34:17,440 And this is sometimes within business. 655 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,280 Sometimes this is just within philanthropy. 656 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,600 Sometimes this is just in programming. 657 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,240 There's all different kinds of ways 658 00:34:26,240 --> 00:34:31,240 that we come in to try to help solve the problem. 659 00:34:31,240 --> 00:34:34,000 So now, with your company, you're also 660 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,400 an international advocate. 661 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,240 Is that right? 662 00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:39,280 Yes, I am. 663 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,160 What does that mean? 664 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:45,480 Well, I guess I could kind of say on Indigenous People's Day, 665 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,480 for the last four, five years, maybe. 666 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,320 I have been on what's called the Indigenous People's Day New 667 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,680 York City Committee. 668 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:59,440 New York City being the largest city in the United States 669 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,720 that holds the largest population of urban Indians. 670 00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:06,800 As you have to recognize, Indigenous People's Day, 671 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,280 New York City also holds the UN. 672 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,360 And so there's a lot of work internationally 673 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,600 that we do at Indigenous People's Day, 674 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,480 but not only just that day, to advocate 675 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,120 for recognizing Indigenous People, 676 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:26,880 recognizing Indigenous People's Day just as the undripped 677 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,640 through the UN, which is the United Declaration 678 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,120 of Indigenous People's Rights, has recognized that. 679 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,520 But the United States has yet to sign on to it, 680 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,240 as well as Canada. 681 00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:44,440 But most of the casualties and broken treaties 682 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,960 have happened in the United States and Canada. 683 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,960 So I advocate on an international level, 684 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:54,080 on a global level, for those rights. 685 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:58,680 And I guess that's what makes me an international, I guess, 686 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,920 advocate for Indigenous People's Rights. 687 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,680 So speaking of advocates, this year, 688 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,840 you recently spoke at South by Southwest, 689 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:11,200 down in Austin, Texas, I think, in March. 690 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,640 What were some of the focuses that you 691 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:17,240 wanted to make sure you imparted upon that large audience 692 00:36:17,240 --> 00:36:20,480 down there in Texas? 693 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,800 Well, that's interesting that you say that. 694 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,040 What did I want to focus on? 695 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:28,040 Because also in cultural survival, shortly after that, 696 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,040 I wrote an article. 697 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,240 Can't think of the title off the top of my head, 698 00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:34,280 so forgive me, listeners. 699 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,080 But just about what I'm getting ready to say. 700 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:43,320 And it is very important to include Indigenous People 701 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,040 in all areas of every industry. 702 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:48,040 Why is that? 703 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:52,120 Well, the planetary health, we all know, 704 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,560 is in a tremendous sickness. 705 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,560 The Earth has a high fever right now. 706 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,880 Just volcano eruptions. 707 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:05,320 Everything is upside down backwards and crisscrossed. 708 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,480 And Indigenous People hold a lot of wisdom 709 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:14,120 about how to get to sustainable living here on Earth. 710 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,800 And doing that through technology, 711 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:21,280 doing that through fashion, doing that through agriculture, 712 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,760 doing that through music. 713 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,040 There's all different areas in different industries 714 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:31,440 that we have not really been seeing inclusion, awareness, 715 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,280 or presence of Indigenous People at all. 716 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,960 It's usually in other box. 717 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:44,720 And so South by has been working to really amplify that. 718 00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:47,800 And so this year, that's what we discussed. 719 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,360 The topic that I spoke about there 720 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,560 was called indigenizing systems. 721 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,880 Indigenizing a C-suite. 722 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,080 If you have a Native American-owned business, 723 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:02,600 or if you're in joint partnership on a project with a tribe, 724 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,960 that leadership level should have tribal people 725 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,800 at the top of it, not just one person. 726 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,040 And these are things that we're starting to see. 727 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:15,560 And there's a lot of studies that show that tribal businesses 728 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,960 or tribal inclusion always find a way 729 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:23,200 to give back to Earth or give back to the environment. 730 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,760 And that, essentially, in turn helps with that planetary health, 731 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,440 whether it's music, corporations, I mean, you name it. 732 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,360 And so that's what we spoke about at South by. 733 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:38,080 And that was my hope that we reached that global network 734 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,040 of people while we were down there. 735 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:45,480 So you talked about the health and 50 plant medicines. 736 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,280 One of the things that we didn't talk about during that segment 737 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,600 of this show is cannabis. 738 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,520 So cannabis is a medicine. 739 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,840 I mean, years ago, people had all kinds of names for it, right? 740 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,560 We herb, chiba, and whatnot. 741 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,480 And now, here it is being recognized as a medicine. 742 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,000 What are your thoughts about cannabis? 743 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:12,560 Well, my thoughts, and I will say this, and I don't think 744 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:18,040 at the time this would have to probably be a whole other interview. 745 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,560 But my thoughts are that there's so much history 746 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,600 with cannabis prior to the war on drugs. 747 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:29,200 And that does have a lot of indigenous history. 748 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:35,200 When we think about hemp, and when we think about marijuana, 749 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,800 or weed, or pot, or whatever, the reefer, all these different, 750 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,600 Mary Jane, all these terms that have been used, right? 751 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,560 When we think about that, we think about the consumption of it 752 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:50,720 for the psychoactive activity that cannabis does. 753 00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:54,560 But we forget that hemp has been around for thousands of years. 754 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,880 Mara, cannabis has been around for thousands of years, 755 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,360 and it's also been used for its fiber, right, 756 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:05,560 and to weaving it into baskets, bags, clothing, 757 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,800 the sustainable part of it, what hemp does to the earth. 758 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,160 You know, there's so many, you know, there's hemp creed 759 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:14,840 that's being created now. 760 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:19,960 Now, so cannabis right now is another one of those emerging 761 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:24,600 economies and industries that's taking off really worldwide, 762 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,400 but the US is starting to really look at it 763 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,080 from a federal standpoint. 764 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:36,400 States have their own autonomy to, you know, legalize it. 765 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,080 And what does legalization mean versus adult use? 766 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,600 I mean, adult use, medical use. 767 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,680 They're looking at it now where you can actually purchase it, 768 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,680 just like any other consumer product. 769 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,720 Obviously, it's still highly regulated, 770 00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:54,960 but cannabis is also not the only regulated plant. 771 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,160 There are other indigenous plants that are regulated, 772 00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,760 such as Sassafrat, cotton. 773 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,200 All of these, and cotton being a big one, 774 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,040 and when we look at the history of cotton, 775 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:05,720 a lot of people look at the history of cotton 776 00:41:05,720 --> 00:41:07,920 and know that that was one of those plants 777 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,960 that plantation owners, you know, used, 778 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,760 and they had it in the stock market. 779 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,480 Hemp was also, right? 780 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,280 Hemp was one of those plants, too. 781 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,200 It's just there's other uses of hemp 782 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,920 that has a psychoactive activity, 783 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,240 but it was used for healing in those times. 784 00:41:27,240 --> 00:41:30,720 And so when, you know, you really, you know, 785 00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:33,520 get into a deep dive and conversation 786 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,600 about what took place between the 50s and the 60s, 787 00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,800 you see what happened to the black and brown communities. 788 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:44,040 And they are using that term, pot, marijuana, 789 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,400 and all those kind of things to criminalize people with it 790 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,600 when they were really utilizing that, 791 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,520 especially out of the black migration, 792 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,360 and other times to heal themselves 793 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:58,960 and get away from the drugs that were being used 794 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,680 straight out of the war. 795 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,800 These are things that, like I said, 796 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,880 it's a whole deep dive into it, 797 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,640 but my perspective of it is something 798 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:11,040 that we should really look into the healing properties of it, 799 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,720 but really the educational component of it 800 00:42:13,720 --> 00:42:15,800 across the world. 801 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,880 You sound like you are an expert 802 00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,760 in so many different subjects and topics, 803 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:27,440 and not to spend too much more time on, you know, 804 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,360 the cannabis, but weren't you on the cover 805 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,600 of a magazine that talked about cannabis? 806 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,040 Yes, I was. 807 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,360 I was on something called Marijuana Venture. 808 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:42,280 Yes, I do work for my tribe. 809 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:43,920 It's called Little Beach Tarvis. 810 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:48,200 It is a huge cannabis operation 811 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,720 that we are working on diligently 812 00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:54,240 to open the doors to the dispensary, 813 00:42:54,240 --> 00:42:56,280 but to create circular economy. 814 00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:00,080 And so there are a couple of covers and features 815 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,120 that I am out there in for cannabis. 816 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,800 So you're just a regular celebrity, huh, Shanae? 817 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:10,040 I'm just a traditional native woman, 818 00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,320 you know, trying to free a plane, you know? 819 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:16,640 All right, so it's 8.48. 820 00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,720 We have about 10 minutes left, 821 00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:21,640 and I want to give you the opportunity to go off script. 822 00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:26,080 So, Shanae, what are your visions and aspirations 823 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,200 for Indigenous people of the United States? 824 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:34,120 Ooh, well, my visions and aspirations 825 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,120 is that we don't become extinct. 826 00:43:37,720 --> 00:43:38,800 That's a real thing. 827 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:43,800 Our culture has become so watered down and infused, 828 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,920 and it has become this, like, melding pot 829 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,960 and rainbow culture of the assimilation 830 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,400 that was preyed upon for our people. 831 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,560 Like, not by our people, 832 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,720 but the assimilation part was something 833 00:43:57,720 --> 00:44:01,720 that they prayed for us to become, is assimilated. 834 00:44:01,720 --> 00:44:04,440 And the resistance of those people 835 00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,040 that fought in every war, 836 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,480 and the survival of those people, 837 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,560 is what is in my DNA and many others. 838 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,720 And those are the traditional preservationists, 839 00:44:17,720 --> 00:44:19,880 the traditional cultural barriers, 840 00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,920 those ones that uphold the teachings, 841 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:27,600 the culture, the language, and the ways of the people, 842 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,840 whatever group of people that is. 843 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,160 But unfortunately, that is something 844 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:38,240 that is becoming very rare in our communities. 845 00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:43,240 Because of, you know, some people will say social media, 846 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,000 some people will just say that, like, you know, 847 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:47,320 and you know this as my dad, 848 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,840 like, it starts in the school system. 849 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,160 You know, if you have a five-year-old Indian little girl, 850 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:53,680 a little boy that goes into school 851 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,240 and they're very proud to be who they are, 852 00:44:55,240 --> 00:44:57,800 and their teacher says, well, that's not the case. 853 00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,040 Those people do not exist. 854 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:00,160 I don't know what you're talking about. 855 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,400 And the rest of the kids laugh at them. 856 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,000 Well, it really takes that child to be gifted 857 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,080 with that DNA of resistance, 858 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,120 to continue on to be 35 years old, 859 00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:13,200 to stand here today and say, I'm still resistant to that. 860 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,880 But sometimes it doesn't work. 861 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,240 Sometimes that resistance is just not as strong 862 00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:21,080 and that child assimilates at that age. 863 00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,000 So through the rest of school 864 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,160 and through the rest of their life, 865 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,440 they start to move away from the culture. 866 00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,640 And we're starting to see that more and more and more. 867 00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:37,280 You're also starting to see, you said United States, 868 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,440 you're also starting to see a lot of terms 869 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,600 being used very loosely. 870 00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:45,120 You're seeing the term Native American versus Indigenous. 871 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,440 Native American is a legal term. 872 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:52,440 That is a federally recognized person in the United States. 873 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,440 When you use the term Indigenous, 874 00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,120 or even the term, the newest term, 875 00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,200 like BIPOC, now there is real no identity. 876 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:02,840 BIPOC, yes. 877 00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:05,560 Never heard that. 878 00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:10,560 BIPOC is the black and Indigenous people of color. 879 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,920 It is a, now you're grouping. 880 00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,560 So the identity of the people of the Stony Shore 881 00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,520 versus the people of the small point 882 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:20,960 or the people of the shallow water, 883 00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:22,480 the people of the black river, 884 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:23,960 there is no identity at this point. 885 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:25,600 You're just BIPOC. 886 00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,520 You're just all grouped together. 887 00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,240 Let me insert something here 888 00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:31,200 because I've been around you 889 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:35,280 and you use this term called sovereignty. 890 00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:36,560 Yes. 891 00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,120 And you have that. 892 00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,720 A lot of people don't understand what sovereignty is 893 00:46:41,720 --> 00:46:43,480 when it comes to Native Americans 894 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,640 or the Shinnecock tribe, the Shinnecock nation. 895 00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,280 Can you explain that a little bit? 896 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,320 Yes, so, yeah. 897 00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:57,080 This is a really cool meme on social media 898 00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,040 that was played out years ago 899 00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:00,360 and I encourage everybody to find it. 900 00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,480 It's kind of funny, but it's got Will Ferrell in it 901 00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:08,920 and then it has the meme says, what is sovereignty? 902 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:11,360 And then it's a video of him saying, 903 00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,960 nobody knows what it means, but it's provocative. 904 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,960 It's really funny because at the end of the day, 905 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,640 that's kind of like how you can look at sovereignty today 906 00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:25,200 because people use that word a lot. 907 00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,840 However, when you look at England 908 00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,760 and you look at the word sovereign and how they use it, 909 00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:38,080 there's really not a word in our language for sovereignty. 910 00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,680 So where did that word come into the United States 911 00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:42,200 when it came to Native Americans? 912 00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:43,800 Well, it came from the crown. 913 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:45,440 And who did they give that to? 914 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:50,440 The sovereign tribes because they had treaties. 915 00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,000 We didn't have treaties with the United States government, 916 00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,280 our tribe, we had them directly with England, 917 00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,560 directly from sovereign to sovereign 918 00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:06,560 because the true sovereignty is from the divine, 919 00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:13,040 the divinity and that is gifted to the people 920 00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,640 who are original from this land. 921 00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,560 The land itself is now classified as sovereign land 922 00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:23,760 because it is held in perpetuity by the people 923 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,800 who live there that are sovereign. 924 00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:27,640 And Shinnecock are those people. 925 00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:31,800 Well, our land is one of the only lands in the country 926 00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,720 that is not in trust of the United States government 927 00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:36,920 as we are a federally recognized tribe. 928 00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,120 So that gives us sovereign reign over our homelands, 929 00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:41,600 over our traditional lands, 930 00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,200 the ones that have essentially been held 931 00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:45,920 in perpetuity for us. 932 00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:50,920 And so we hold ourselves in that place of sovereignty, 933 00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,360 whether people respect it, care about it, 934 00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,600 move as if we are sovereign, 935 00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,680 that's a whole different story. 936 00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:03,840 But we know and have been governing ourselves 937 00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:08,840 in this sovereign way since the ships landed to New York. 938 00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,440 Does that mean you have diplomatic immunity? 939 00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:13,440 Say that again? 940 00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,720 Does that mean you have diplomatic immunity? 941 00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,320 That's always gonna be challenged. 942 00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,040 And the easy answer is yes, 943 00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:31,040 but like I said, not everybody understands this. 944 00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,320 When you have people that, you know. 945 00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:36,320 To that end, 946 00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,000 use it in a layman's term, fishing. 947 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:40,800 You have fishing rights. 948 00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:45,000 Other people have pretty much in the United States, right? 949 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:45,840 Yes. 950 00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:47,680 Those rights. 951 00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:52,440 You said explain those fishing rights? 952 00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,040 Yeah, you have fishing rights differently than most people. 953 00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,040 What are your rights to fish? 954 00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:58,040 Well, as Shinnecock. 955 00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:59,680 Do whatever you wanna do in the water. 956 00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:00,840 Right, well, right. 957 00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,120 So as Shinnecock people, 958 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,000 because we have a lot of people 959 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:09,360 because we are one of the only two tribes 960 00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:14,200 in what's called the Mid-Atlantic part of the ocean, 961 00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,480 we sit on ocean policy, 962 00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,680 but we sit there and why is that? 963 00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:23,000 Because we were the first contacted tribe in New York 964 00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:24,840 from the ocean. 965 00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:29,720 And so when the treaties were signed very early, 966 00:50:29,720 --> 00:50:33,520 as in the 1600s, 967 00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,960 it allowed us, not allowed us, 968 00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,080 we signed a treaty that there was an agreement 969 00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:40,760 that the Shinnecock could fish 970 00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,160 as far as the right whale swims. 971 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,760 And we could hunt. 972 00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,240 We could, yes. 973 00:50:49,240 --> 00:50:50,680 And so how do you fish? 974 00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:54,120 Well, you ain't swimming out there, you're paddling out there. 975 00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,160 You have a boat of some sort. 976 00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:00,920 So we can fish and travel underneath those rights 977 00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:02,440 of that treaty. 978 00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,720 Or underneath that agreement, I won't say right. 979 00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:06,760 Those rights are not given to us. 980 00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,440 Those rights are agreed upon. 981 00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,280 They were already rights to begin with 982 00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,720 before that treaty was created. 983 00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:14,480 These are just an agreement 984 00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,400 that when the settlers came over here, 985 00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:17,240 that's what we have. 986 00:51:17,240 --> 00:51:21,320 So when we fish, we can fish for as many mouths 987 00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,800 that we have to feed within our nation. 988 00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:25,800 So there isn't a limit to what we fish. 989 00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:27,320 There isn't a limit to the weight 990 00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,120 of what we're supposed to fish. 991 00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,400 And Shinnecock capitals rights. 992 00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:33,880 That's incredible. 993 00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:37,200 And I can only imagine how many more rights that you have 994 00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,560 based on the agreement that have been violated. 995 00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:42,680 And so many people don't even know about 996 00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:46,080 to include possibly the Coast Guard and other authorities 997 00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:49,120 who's responsible for upholding the right. 998 00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:50,120 Yes. 999 00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:50,960 Yes. 1000 00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:52,600 So this has been incredible. 1001 00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,480 I mean, we only have a couple of minutes left, 1002 00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:59,160 but I want to take daddy privilege if you don't mind. 1003 00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:03,720 And just tell you how proud I am of you, Shinne. 1004 00:52:03,720 --> 00:52:07,240 I mean, I'm going to say that. 1005 00:52:09,240 --> 00:52:10,080 Here, Greg. 1006 00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,640 And so I've watched your journey, 1007 00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,320 and it has been an incredible journey. 1008 00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:19,240 And here you are now founder and CEO 1009 00:52:19,240 --> 00:52:21,040 and just doing your thing. 1010 00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:22,800 And I'm not the only one who's proud. 1011 00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,400 There are so many people who are proud of you. 1012 00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:29,200 I get phone calls, text messages, and emails, 1013 00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,040 and all sorts of communication about people 1014 00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:35,120 who think what you're doing and they'll send me things 1015 00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,000 that I didn't even know that you were doing. 1016 00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:41,160 So I just want to share with you how proud I am. 1017 00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,840 I mean, this has been a wonderful experience 1018 00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:47,520 to interview my daughter founder and CEO. 1019 00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:51,000 I mean, how many fathers get to do something like this? 1020 00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,360 How many are you learning more about your country? 1021 00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:57,720 No, I really appreciate it. 1022 00:52:57,720 --> 00:53:00,720 Well, the best way I would say for people to contact me, 1023 00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:01,920 not that I really appreciate it, 1024 00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,680 I'm not going to glimpse over like that, my apologies. 1025 00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,240 I'm just realizing the time. 1026 00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:07,280 I just want to say thank you. 1027 00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:11,880 That means a lot for a young woman like myself 1028 00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,280 to have that kind of love from her father. 1029 00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:15,840 It's everything. 1030 00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:17,400 You know, it's the reason. 1031 00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,440 You know, it's very important. 1032 00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,240 I appreciate that myself and to all those 1033 00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:24,080 that are listening that do support me 1034 00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:25,880 and are very proud of me. 1035 00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:27,440 You know, also pay it forward. 1036 00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,800 Find someone else that you may not feel like, 1037 00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,200 feels appreciated and let them know that. 1038 00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,240 How would they get in touch with you? 1039 00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:42,920 Well, they can go to my website, 1040 00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:49,920 www.moxgee-to-consulting. 1041 00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:51,760 Got some in your throat or you choking up 1042 00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:53,640 because you're talking to your dad? 1043 00:53:53,640 --> 00:54:00,640 I think we have a low-sum here. 1044 00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,480 And I know it's 8, 8. 1045 00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:10,920 And I don't know if it's my signal or your shanae. 1046 00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,920 But if everybody can hear me, 1047 00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,440 I'm still here. 1048 00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:18,760 A little bit. 1049 00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:19,760 Okay. 1050 00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:23,520 So, well, here we have folks. 1051 00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:26,920 Thank you, our inspiring guest for tonight, 1052 00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:30,360 my daughter, my ex-Mary daughter, 1053 00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,240 today's block of chairs, right, 1054 00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:36,040 with an aspiration for future for all. 1055 00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:40,400 Let's thank you to our two leaders from around the globe 1056 00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,080 and we can do it without you. 1057 00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:43,960 And finally, I would like to also thank 1058 00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:51,120 our Andre and Jerry for allowing us to meet in this episode 14 1059 00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:54,160 of Live with Dr. Andre and Jerry. 1060 00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,520 Guest host, I was truly me, 1061 00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:57,800 Reginald Bola. 1062 00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,840 Good night, everyone, and keep driving for creators. 1063 00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:11,840 Thank you.