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Dr. Jerry, you got the whole world waiting.

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Been ready for you to start the conversation.

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No point of view, we got the haters confused.

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Leave it up to you to bring us all the good news.

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Positive vibes and a sex appeal too.

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Dr. Andre Jerry, can I get an interview?

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Good evening everybody, Dr. Andre here

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and thank you for tuning in to episode 8 of Live with Dr. Andre Jerry,

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one of the hottest new shows on the Artist First Radio Network.

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Listen, you guys are in for a fantastic show today

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because we are celebrating Women's History Month this episode

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and featuring two dynamic women who are doing exceptional things

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in their respective industries and leaving their mark in women's history,

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or should I say herstory.

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So to all the women out there, happy Women's History Month.

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We appreciate and applaud you and your accomplishments, great and small.

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So let's get right into it.

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My first guest holds a special place in my heart

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because not only is she a dear friend,

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but she also plays or played an instrumental role

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in jumpstarting my career as a radio show host.

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So last April I was invited to appear as a guest on her show

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to promote my first book, and now just a year later,

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I'm able to return the favor and have her as a guest on my show.

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So tonight it's my honor to introduce my good friend, Ms. Renata Morgan.

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Renata, how are you today?

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Hello, good evening, and first and foremost, Dr. Andre Jerry,

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I want to thank you so much for that wonderful introduction.

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I am greatly appreciated, and I am doing very, very well.

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Thank you.

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Wonderful to hear it, and thank you so much for sharing your time with me this evening.

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Listen, I'm very honored to have you as a guest

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and introduce you to our listeners, and also happy Women's History Month to you.

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You're certainly someone that I admire a great deal,

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giving your accomplishments as a combat veteran in the military,

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you know, in business and in media.

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So you're definitely a role model, not just for women, but for men as well.

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So thank you for all that you do.

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Oh, Andre, you know I surely appreciate that.

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Thank you, and I'm grateful to be in the position to do those things.

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So thank you for all the admiration.

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Not a problem.

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So let's get right into the interview.

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So for my listeners today who may not be familiar with you and your work,

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I want you to take just a brief moment to share with us a little bit about your background and yourself.

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As you stated and introduced me, my name is Renata Morgan.

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First and foremost, I am a child of God.

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I'm a queen.

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I'm a mother of one.

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I have an amazing son, which I am extremely proud of.

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I'm the eldest of all my siblings.

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I was born and raised in a city called Toledo, which is located in Ohio for those that don't know,

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and primarily raised by my grandmother and aunt.

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May they both continue to be God's precious angels.

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I don't take away from my parents being in my life.

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However, you know, they were still younger trying to figure things out.

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So after completing my high school, you know, I was also in high school very active, very active.

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I was a cheerleader.

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I played the instrument of a clarinet.

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Honor classes and the whole nine.

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where I literally was only going to do six years, and somehow six turned into 20.

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And now I am here as a retired veteran, which leads me to my entrepreneurial lifestyle.

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And I am so, so grateful for the opportunities and the doors that God has allowed to open for me.

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So that's pretty much who.

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Yes. Amen.

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And thank you for sharing a little bit about your story to our listeners.

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I know they appreciate that.

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So your book, transitioning from a weekend to a war zone, I've read it.

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It's a great read.

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And I love that it chronicles your transition from a civilian to combat veteran and just shares with the readers your journey as a young woman in the military.

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I definitely encourage our listeners to pick up a copy.

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You're currently on a book tour, right?

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Are you on a bit of a hiatus?

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But right now I have a couple of things that I'm working on to where I have to take just some time off of that because I'm working on something else.

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But yeah, I'm still in the process of doing my book tour.

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I just recently come from Washington and Oregon.

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They can keep those states.

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That was the whole reason why I moved from up north because of the cold weather.

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And when I tell you, Andre, I mean, don't get me wrong, I enjoy my time there.

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I have a I have an uncle that lives there.

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However, when I tell you it was so old that number one, my flight got delayed.

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I don't think I'm going back there.

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You didn't fall out with the people you fill out with the weather there, right?

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And I know you've been all over the place.

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I know you have a specific goal in mind regarding your book tour.

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So my goal for this year is to hit every state in the United States.

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So that's exactly what I'm working on.

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And I know I'm going to do it.

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I'm not going to say I think I'm going to do it.

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I'm already have it embedded in my mind that I'm going to do it.

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So it will happen.

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It will happen right now.

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I am currently at 34 states to date.

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I tell people sometimes I'm at these book signings and I'm in states that I've never thought that I would be in.

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Because I don't know about you, Andre, but I know when I was in school and in history class,

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and we had to learn all 50 states, right?

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And some of these states, I'm like, I would never go to – what would I be doing in these states?

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I have no business there.

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But then I look up and God has allowed me to travel these different – I mean, when I say I just be in amazement, I am.

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I mean, I am so blessed to have – to be in the position to do so and have the ability to do so as well.

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So yes, that is my goal.

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Right. You definitely touch a lot of people when you're on these book tours and going from state to state.

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And I know sometimes you call me up and you share with me stories that happen.

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What I love about your book tour is that, okay, you encounter and interact with so many people.

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And it's just like something that is listed in your bio.

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It went from a book tour to you almost sort of came across your ministry in a way,

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because you have conversations with people that's not just surrounding your book,

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but you come across people that may be depressed or going through a difficult moment in their lives, and you minister to them.

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And so just share a little bit about some of those stories and some of these unique encounters that you've had with some of the people that you've encountered on your tour.

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Okay. Well, you know what? I'll go – I'll talk about the most recent one that I had.

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Like I just stated, I was in the state of Washington, right?

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And as I'm sitting here at my book signing, there's this woman that's walking to the right of me,

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where there's this other woman that's standing to the left of me.

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And the woman to the right of me, she begins talking, and I'm like, well, she definitely ain't talking to me,

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because I know not one soul here in Washington like the location I was at.

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And as I'm looking at her, she was like, I met you in South Carolina.

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And I'm like, wow. And so we both here, you know, ended up here in Washington, D.C.

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And as she began speaking with me, I remember her face.

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And in South Carolina, this woman purchased six of my books, OK? Six of them.

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At that time, I did not know that woman started following me.

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But what she said to me in Washington, D.C., she said, Renata, she said, whatever you do,

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please don't stop doing what you're doing. She said, because you admire – I admire what you do.

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She said, you encourage me, you inspire me. She said, not just through your book tours,

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but, you know, I also try to uplift people as well as, you know, exercising and just being healthy and stuff like that as well.

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But I say all that to say, at the end of the day, you never know who's watching you. Right?

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So keep being the positive person you are and don't change for anybody,

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because you have all these people out here watching you and you don't even know it.

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So, you know, that's just, you know, one of the things.

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And then in my travels, it's like I'm always running into somebody that I'm like, OK, they're not – nobody's going to know me here.

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And then the voice says, I remember you. I got your book from such and such.

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So it just feels so good that they supported me, though. You know what I mean?

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Like, I'm going to tell you, Andre, when I begin – oh, Jesus, see, I'm getting happy.

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So you just got to excuse me. But people don't understand the journey.

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So when I began doing this, I knew nothing about really being an author.

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What I did know is that I had a story to tell. Right? And I wanted to get that story out.

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But when I began this entire journey, I spoke to God and I said, Lord,

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if you just allow me to encounter one to 500 individuals that will read my story, I'm happy.

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Because remember, I don't really know what I'm doing. I just know that I have a story to tell.

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And I want to share with these people. But Andre, Andre, oh, Jesus, look where I am now.

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I am a couple hundred books shy of 14,000. Do you hear me? 14,000. Oh, Jesus.

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You got that right. Nothing but that. I am a few hundred books shy of 14,000.

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And that's why when you mentioned, yes, I still enjoy my book tours. Yes, I enjoy conversing with people.

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But at the end of the day, what God has allowed me to do was turn my story into my ministry.

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And that's what I do now. If people come to my table now and they don't purchase a book, guess what?

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To wear what I used to be like, man, they don't want to – why? I don't even question it no more.

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I don't get upset. Nothing. Because what they will do is walk away with a piece of who I am.

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And that's what matters to me. So, yes, sir. There you go. I love it.

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That's God all day and 14,000 books sold. And we're not talking about Amazon.

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We're talking about personally sold and signed, right? Absolutely. Absolutely.

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Just a few hundred shy of 14,000. Yep. Absolutely.

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So that means this man, my left hand, has signed those many copies. Yes. Yes.

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Oh, my God. And see, so I first encountered you at Robbins Air Force Base when I was stationed at Robbins.

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And, you know, I love books. And so I wasn't not going to stop at your table.

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But what I admired from the get-go was how outgoing you were.

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And it wasn't until we later became friends that I realized I thought you were always this outgoing person.

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You actually told me that you were shy and reserved and that wasn't your typical personality.

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So when people see you out and about and just being so I almost call yourself a bully because you make people come to your table.

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You don't even ask like, sir, when you come back out of there, stop by my table. Look at her, bully.

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You know, so it was just surprising to know that you weren't exactly the most outgoing person growing up, right?

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No, I was I was a bit of an introvert. I mean, still still today, I kind of say to myself.

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But what one thing that I had to learn with Andre was becoming an author.

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See, nobody can tell your story the way that you can tell it.

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You see what I'm saying? I don't care who you are. No, because we all have a story. That's one thing.

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We all have a story. And I always tell people it all it all depends on how you wish to tell that story. Right.

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So nobody can tell it like you can tell it. So for me, I literally had to pray.

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I prayed to God and said, please allow my mouth to open to converse with these individuals in order so they can hear what I have to say.

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Because other than that, these people walk right past me and I'll be looking dumbfounded like, OK, so nobody's interested in what you know I have going on over here.

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So I literally I tell people I literally had to pray. And that's what happened.

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And so now, like you said, I will stop anybody, everybody.

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I will spark up a conversation and it will lead to if they engage in reading or, you know, something like that.

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So I don't have any problems conversing with anybody anymore. So, yes, I'm very happy about that.

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Yes, I love that about you. And I'm taking notes.

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So we talked about OK, so you said 34 states that you visited so far.

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Of those 34 states, which ones stick out in your mind? We know Washington, Oregon were cold.

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You're not feeling that. I think you currently just wrapped up around what you call around Robin in Georgia, where you go to all the various Air Force and Army bases in Georgia.

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But what what states stick out in your mind on this tour?

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Oh, my goodness. You know, I've been to some wonderful states. Wonderful.

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So if I don't name one, please don't hold it against me. But I will say when I touched down in the state of Texas, this is what I will say about Texas.

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I was at Fort Hood. OK. And it was my first time.

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And I think I've only been there once, but it was my first time visiting Fort Hood.

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And when I tell you I normally order my books by the box of 100. OK.

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So I had already taken 200 books with me because I just you just never know how things will go when you're at a location. You just never know.

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What I will tell you, Andre, is not only now I'm only there for a week. OK.

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Not only did I go through those 200 books, but I had to call and get a shipment expedited for another 200 books while I was in Fort Hood.

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OK. And then not only that, I had so many people that were just like, can I donate to you?

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I mean, literally, I cannot make this up.

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God is just so good. I'm telling you, because sometimes you don't witness this stuff until you be like, until you really witness it.

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Like, you know, you hear people talk about it, but until you actually witness it.

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I had this gentleman purchase my book. OK. He purchased it the first day.

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That next day, that gentleman came and told me, he said, oh, I finished your book. I said, wow, already?

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He said, yes. He grabbed my hand. He said, and I want you to have this, he said, because I so admire what you're doing and I wish more women in the military would do this.

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I open and listen, listen, if a person, I promise you this, I'm not. This is the truth.

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If a person, because this is how I am right now with my spirit, if a person come by and they say, can I donate?

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And they put a penny on my table. I'm happy because they didn't have to do that. You know what I'm saying?

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I am. But this man opened my hand, Andre, and he placed a hundred dollar bill in my hand.

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And when he walked away, of course, I didn't look at it while he was there. But when he walked away, I opened my hand and I seen what it was and tears just began to flow down my face because that man didn't have to do that.

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But because you admire what I did, I spoke to him and said, go back to her.

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And that's this is what he's telling me. Go back to her and show her how much you appreciate her.

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So it'd be those things right there that I'll be like, wow. You know what I mean?

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So I just run across so and that's just that's just one person.

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When I say I run across so many people in different states and not only just the monetary, but I learned so much from them as well.

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I mean, I've gained so much wisdom from all these veterans that I've spoke to across my journey.

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And I'm very, very thankful for that as well. So, yes. Oh, man, that's just so amazing.

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I know you inspire a lot of people and you'll probably hear about it years later or maybe you won't hear about it.

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But I know that you've inspired other women, men, to to share their stories about their time in the military or their time as a combat veteran.

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So many different stories that are just kept silent, not traumatic or, you know, some maybe traumatic stuff.

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But there we I feel like we all have a story, particularly our women who are in the military.

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I feel like there are so many experiences that could be shared that would minister to others.

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So I love the fact that you are out there encountering and touching base with so many people because I know it's inspiring.

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And, you know, you never know. I mean, you inspire me to write my book.

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I mean, I was writing it anyway, but I had pockets of time where I would just procrastinate and not do anything on my book for months.

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And I would run into you every so often at Robbins and you would always get on me.

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Andre, are you working on your book? What have you done? Wait, we're waiting on your book now.

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You know, so it's a little stuff like that that really helps to inspire people.

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So you played an instrumental part two in getting my book out.

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And, you know, as quickly as I did, because otherwise I could have taken a lot more time with it and just use work as an excuse or just just other things that get in the way.

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So just thank you for putting yourself out there, overcoming, you know, shyness or whatever other personality traits you may have and just opening yourself up to people.

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I know that means a lot to a lot of us.

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So I'm going to shift gears a little bit and talk about these different roles that you play, because, you know, in addition to being a mother, a retired military veteran, you're an author.

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You've done some motivational speaking as well.

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We all know that you are powerful in your entrepreneurial activities and you're a radio show host.

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But you recently have added another title to your attache and that's actress.

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So I want you to tell and congratulations.

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I want you to tell us a little bit about this and maybe give us some information on some new projects that you are working on that you're at liberty to discuss.

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OK, so before I go into that, Andre, I just want to go back and talk about one more thing that you touched on as far as me just encouraging women, you know, to men and women.

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There's a lot of women that come to my table.

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Right. And in looking at them, I can look at them until they go through something.

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So if I have somebody at my table, I'll just tell them to wait right there one second. I would just like to talk to them one on one.

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And Andre, I can't make this stuff up.

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Them women will break down and cry.

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And what I tell them, I say, let it go, because at the end of the day, I don't know what you're going through.

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You don't have to tell me what you're going through.

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But I guarantee you once you let it go, you'll feel much better.

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And what I also tell them is that I'm not trying to be your mother, but what I can be is your mentor.

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So if there's ever a time that you need somebody to talk to, I always give them my personal phone number.

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And I tell them, no matter what time or day, if you feel like you need to talk to somebody, reach out to me.

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So I just wanted to throw that out there because I've done that on several occasions.

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And I've had people reach out to me, but sometimes they're afraid to talk to other people in the military.

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They need to talk to somebody outside of the military.

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And because I've been where they're going, I know what it's like.

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You know what I mean?

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So I don't have a problem talking to any of them.

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So, you know, like I told them, any time of the day or night, and they are so appreciative even of that,

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because just in that gesture, there's a lot of life that can be changed.

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So people don't understand how important and imperative that is.

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So I just wanted to throw that out there.

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No, I'm glad you did.

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I'm glad you did, because a lot of people, we all take certain things for granted.

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We take for granted that everybody out there has someone that they feel cares about them.

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There are a lot of people out there that feel alone and they feel like no one cares about me.

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So for you to pull someone to the side and say, wait, hold on just a second.

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Let me finish this conversation.

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But I want to talk to you.

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Doing stuff like that signals to someone like, wow, I don't know this person,

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they took time out of what they were doing to check on me and to minister to me and make sure that I'm OK.

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That speaks volumes to people.

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You don't know how many lives that you potentially could have saved.

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That person could have been planning to do something really detrimental or harmful to themselves that day.

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And you said, no, hold on a second.

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Let's talk a little later.

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And just that brief interaction changed the trajectory of their entire life.

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So I commend you for that.

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And please continue to do that.

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And just even if you're not pulling someone to the side, like I said, your sheer presence and just opening up.

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And I love the banner that you have because it really stops kind of you in your tracks.

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And it says, what does it say at the top?

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Who am I?

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And then it kind of goes into your story.

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Yes, it's just it stops you in your tracks and it makes you just stop and look at it and read.

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And you see, wow, this is someone that is sharing their story.

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And they'll think to themselves, you know, I have a story that I want to share.

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And you don't have to be this super extroverted, outgoing person to be an author or to even share your story.

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You know, stay prayed up and just put yourself out there and do what you can and let God fill in the gaps and do the rest.

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And you got that right. That is absolutely the truth.

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Yes, sir. That's what I say all the time.

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Just and people say, I have a story. I say, well, what are you waiting on?

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A write it because just sometimes people think people think that other people don't want to hear what they have to say.

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But that's not the truth.

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I tell people once you put whatever you have to say in the pages of that book, somebody is going to flip through it.

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So what are you waiting for?

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Because you don't know how you can inspire somebody who's afraid to talk about these different things that are going to be placed in a, you know, in your in the pages of your book.

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So I'm always anytime somebody say that, I tell them to go for it.

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So, yes, that is right.

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Even with my own book, I you know, there were times when I said, you know, no one wants to hear about my miss, my personal mess.

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But everyone who reads my book, they all have the same thing to say.

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I felt like you were writing about me.

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It's just I hear it all the time over and over.

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So just imagine it's that because I'm saying something we all go through things that, you know, are similar.

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It's not exactly similar.

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But if you put your story out there, it will resonate with who it needs to resonate with.

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And people will see themselves in your story and some of the things that you're talking about.

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So I always I want to go off on a tangent.

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I'm always encouraging people to write their story, you know, just put it out there.

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But let's get before we lose track of too much time.

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Let's let's talk about this.

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This actor actress stuff, because I want to know how you kind of segue into that.

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And is that something that you were always in your plan or did you stumble upon this?

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Tell us a little bit about this acting stuff now.

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OK, so who are we?

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I will tell you that this female and I met not personally, but met through a mutual friend.

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And what she does is she send me certain things when things are going on, not just in Atlanta or Georgia area, but in different states.

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So she had sent me something that Tyler Perry was doing and he was actually looking for female soldiers.

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And I'm like, there's no way like there is no way.

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So as I'm looking over the criteria, you know, I fill everything out, send my pictures in all of this.

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So the the email said they had three days to respond to me.

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And they did it responding on three days.

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So I said, you know what?

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Maybe it's not my time.

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Well, the night of the third day is when I received the text message asking me if I was still interested.

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And Andre, I cannot make this up.

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I must have read this thing over like ten times.

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There is just no way because what I tell people is like hundreds of thousands of people, you know, put in for stuff like this.

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But I am so grateful and thankful to be able to be.

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Oh, my goodness.

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Play a role of somebody that I was for 20 years of my life, you know, a female soldier.

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So and to answer your question, I honestly it wasn't that I wanted to I didn't want to I didn't want to act,

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but I wanted to put together a movie for others to act in it.

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You know what I mean?

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Like, I didn't want to act with myself.

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But but what I say is, man, God is so good.

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God is so good because he will open these doors and people don't understand.

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The the manifestation behind things, because what I will tell you, Andre,

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is that even before me knowing about anything that Tyler Perry was doing as far as military movies go right six months ago in my travels,

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you know that I post, you know, certain places that I am.

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And I'm always thanking my supporters for that particular location that I'm in.

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So about six months ago, I started tagging Tyler Perry, Oprah Winfrey and Michelle Obama.

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And have you know, six months later that I'm standing in the room with Tyler Perry, you know, like, how like how like I mean,

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what manifestation, oh, my God, when I tell you, Andre, when I when I went to set,

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I didn't even think that he was going to be in there because I know Mr.

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Tyler Perry is very busy and he has a lot a lot of things going on.

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So I'm not at no time thinking that I was going to lay eyes on him.

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But when I say this man was on set with us every single day and for him to be just standing next to my shoulder and no,

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no, I couldn't really speak to him. And that was perfectly fine.

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But what I tell people is that transfer of energy.

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People don't understand how strong that was when I'm standing next to this man and all the thoughts going through my head of where he's come from and how God has positioned him.

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So now I'm standing next to him and I'm like, oh, like, it was unbelievable.

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It really was like unbelievable. I couldn't believe it.

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But such a listen, it was phenomenal, Andre, a phenomenal experience.

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So needless to say, listeners, yes, be on the lookout.

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Tyler Perry is coming out with a movie and it's called 68 88.

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And it is a true story about the women back in the World War Two era.

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And it was about eight hundred and fifty something of these women, but they were an all black, all female battalion.

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So I'm just happy to say that I am fortunate and God has placed me in the position to be on set and actually just in the room with this man.

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And I don't leave him, but there's others that I was in the room with as well.

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But you know how many people dream to be like, oh, I want to meet Tyler Perry.

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I want to meet Tyler Perry. And yes, I did say one day I want to meet Tyler Perry.

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But God made it happen so fast. Like, oh, my God, like God don't plan.

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And not at all. Not at all. So, yes, I'm very thankful for that.

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So it's just Andre. It's so many doors that has opened for me.

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And I'm telling you, I can't thank God enough and I can't stress enough how thankful I am.

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What I tell people all the time and I know we have to wrap things up is that I have faith and I keep my faith day in and day out,

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because with that faith, God is going to give me favor.

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And I don't just have faith, Andre, I have electrifying faith.

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And I don't know if people understand what that means.

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But when I say, OK, because I'm about to go off into something else and I know we have to wrap things up.

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I would just say I'm so thankful because people don't understand when them doors open, you can.

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It's all about God's timing. That's number one.

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It's all about God's timing, because a lot of times we want things to happen on our time.

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And he said, no, that's not how things work. It happens when he's ready for it to happen for us.

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And so that's why I tell people, if you stay ready, you got to get ready, because you never know what angle.

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He's going to come at you from. So just be ready for it.

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And so, again, I am just very thankful for the opportunities.

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I am very grateful for all my supporters. I mean, I'm just I just am.

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And I thank God for everything. So that's it.

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Well, I'm extremely happy for you.

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I was going to ask you about last thoughts that you wanted to give our listeners, but I think you just did.

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I mean, your faith is, like you said, electrifying is just a testimony to the life that you live.

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And I just some of that rubs off on me as well.

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I mean, I think I'm a man of faith myself.

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But I mean, the faith that you have really is just outstanding and just encourages me to rely on God and wait on God even more.

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So I appreciate you sharing this story with us.

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As you know, time flies when you're on the live radio, but I want to thank you once again for being my guest this evening and helping me to celebrate Women's History Month.

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I hope you know you're welcome back anytime to give us an update on whatever it is that you're working on.

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So just thank you so much for your time this evening.

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And Dr. Andre Jerry, I most certainly thank you.

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And you have a wonderful evening.

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Same to you.

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Well, listen, everybody, Renata's book, Transition from a Weekend to a War Zone, is available for sale at BooksOfBrilliant.com and on Amazon.

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Also come out and support the second annual Relevant with Renata event that's taking place at J.C. Venue Plus in Morrow, Georgia on April 15th.

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So for more info, check our show's web page or visit BooksOfBrilliant.com.

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We're going to take a quick break, but when we return, I'll have another dynamic woman that I want you to meet.

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So stay tuned and we'll be right back.

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It's going to be live.

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You're entertained.

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Get ready for Travis Maloy.

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You're back live with Dr. Andre Geary.

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Hey everyone, welcome back to the show.

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So if you're just tuning in, we're celebrating Women's History Month on tonight's episode by featuring incredible women who are doing outstanding work in their respective industries.

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So I was introduced to my next guest through a mutual friend and also through her inspirational posts on Instagram.

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She has an impressive background in numerous accomplishments in academia, most notably a PhD in education from UCLA with an emphasis in educational psychology, human development, and liberatory education.

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She's currently an associate professor of psychology and child development at California State University, Stanislaus, and also a public speaker and transformational coach and consultant that specializes in diversity, equity, inclusion, and social justice.

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Please help me welcome to the show Dr. Aletha Harbin.

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Dr. Harbin, welcome to the show.

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Hi, hi everyone. Thank you so much, Dr. Geary for having me on the show today.

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And thank you so much for that.

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Oh, no problem. It's my pleasure to have you on the broadcast. This is exciting. This is a treat for both me and the listeners.

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So listen, I know I gave our listeners just sort of a brief interview of your background, but I'd like for you just to share a little bit more about yourself just to give our listeners some insight into who Dr. Aletha Harbin is.

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Absolutely.

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So, like you said, I did earn my PhD in education from UCLA, and I did emphasize, or my degree emphasis is in educational psychology. So I focus on what's happening with what's happening among students within schools.

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I focus a lot on their mental health, their psychological adjustment, their psychosocial adjustment. It's all really interesting to me to see how school contextual factors like teacher behavior, teachers pedagogical practices, just what's happening within the school context can impact students' functioning, right, their mental health.

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And so also in thinking of educational psychology, I am a motivational scholar, so I like to focus on student motivation, and this is why I do have a more general focus on achievement motivation when I work not only with students, but with educators in general.

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And like you said, I do have a very strong background in human development. I focus a lot on child and adolescent development in particular, and then, yes, I have a social justice focus with all that I do as well.

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So I love what I do. It all intersects, you know, because I'm all about addressing issues that impact diverse groups of students, but also diverse educators as well, because if our educators who are working with our students are in a good mental space, right, if their mental health is good,

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if they feel supported, if they feel a sense of belonging, then it's easy to show up in a very positive way for their students. So I like to focus on both students and educators and what's happening within the classroom.

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Oh, that's wonderful.

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Yes, and you did mention how I'm a public speaker and a transformational coach and consultant. So, yes, I do focus on DEI. That is huge right now, but it's something that I have been trained in really well, and, you know, I definitely believe in diversity, equity, and inclusion, and there are so many different ways that not only educators, but people who are not in education and other industries.

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Can really step up to the plate and ensure that their place of work is carrying out a DEI agenda that's truly effective and transformational. Also, because I am a motivational scholar, I speak a lot and do a lot of consulting and coaching in the area of achievement motivation.

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So that's why you'll see a lot of motivational, you know, quotes, just material on my Instagram page and then wellness is really important to me as well. And that goes hand in hand for me, at least with mental health.

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Well, that runs the gamut. You pretty much care about the individual as a whole, and I love that you focus on not only students, but educators as well, because I can imagine dealing with, you know, trying to educate our kids and deal with some of their emotional issues that they also develop some type of mental health issues as well along the line.

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So it's good that you focus on not only the students, but the educators as well. And let me just say that you, you have such a calming, reassuring voice. It's like the perfect voice for psychology, because if you have some type of mental instability, you want for your therapist to have a voice that's soothing and reassuring and makes you feel like you're in a safe space.

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It makes me feel good to hear you say that.

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Well, listen, in line with some of the stuff that you deal with with your students, what are some of the trends that you've been noticing in terms of mental health challenges with students overall?

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Well, I think, I think, you know, at the onset of the pandemic, we started to see an increase, right, in health issues among students, but also among educators and just lots of different people.

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And I would say, you know, I think in our society, we are becoming better at normalizing, seeking help, right?

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Therapy, seeking counseling, and I hope that that trend continues. But even with the students that I work with, I have noticed such an increase amongst my own students when it comes to their mental health challenges. So, yes, my, you know, I have students who

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would come to me and talk to me because I'd like to meet with all my students one on one if I'm able to. And they would reveal to me any mental health challenges they were dealing with.

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However, I feel that there are so many more challenges that have, that students are talking about now, given the pandemic. And so I know that, at least for instance, on my campus, it's kind of like all hands on deck, especially in my Department of Psychology and Child Development.

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I know we're really working hard to cater to the needs of our students. I know that our counseling department is working hard to cater to our students. But yes, I do a lot of work within my classes with students, too, because I teach psychology classes.

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So we do address the topic of depression. We do talk about anxiety. We talk about stress, right? We talk about all of these really important, we talk about a lot of important mental health challenges because students want to talk about it and they want to talk about coping mechanisms.

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But I definitely always refer students and make sure that they are connected to the right people to receive the help that they need. So that is a major trend that I'm seeing. Yeah.

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Oh, it's good that there's more. Go ahead.

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I was just thinking about housing and security.

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I didn't catch that last part.

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So housing and security.

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Okay, gotcha. So students who, I would say housing and security, food and security, so students who might be homeless or searching for a permanent place to stay while trying to take my classes and their other, you know, professors classes and then also with food and security.

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There are a lot of students who are hungry. And so just, you know, I'm just trying to address those issues with my own students.

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I know I had, you know, I sometimes will have students who they can't continue the semester because of what's happening. So I just try to help them as much as possible.

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So those are just some of the issues, but there are a lot of issues, including social and emotional functioning and some challenges surrounding that.

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Right. I'm glad that you mentioned that because, you know, we focus so much on mental health, not to, you know, take away from the importance of that.

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But to your point, there are a lot of children that are dealing with food and housing insecurities that also negatively impacts their ability to learn and just, you know, you know, being a social environment in a safe space.

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So I'm glad that you are just kind of shining a light on that. I wanted to ask you something.

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You know, there's a lot of therapy that's now being done virtually in this climate. Do you feel that the virtual counseling is just as effective as the in-person counseling?

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You know, I think it can be. I was actually just talking to one of my classes about this yesterday.

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I think it can be. I definitely think that people need to do their homework and make sure that they look, you know, just make sure that you look into whoever it is that you are seeking assistance from.

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But I know there are a lot of therapists and a lot of counselors who are advertising their services online.

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I'm on social media quite a bit. So there are different therapists who I'm connected to, and they're doing really great work and putting out really great content.

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And they seem to be really awesome. So I think it's just a matter of, you know, everyone doing their homework and making sure that they are connecting with someone who can really help them on their journey.

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Wonderful. And I'll just shift gears a bit because everyone knows that I love an author and you do have a book that you co-author alongside Kimberly Gordon Biddle

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and also Cynthia Hudley that focuses on careers in child and adolescent development.

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Can you briefly tell the listeners about this book and its intended audience and then also how your expertise contributed to the content of this book?

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Absolutely. I love this book. It's a really great book and it's doing really well.

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So my colleagues and I, we wanted to focus on students in the field of child and adolescent development.

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And we really wanted to help students in that field to understand the many career paths that exist within the field.

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I know that for me, a lot of students would always approach me and ask me, what else can I do besides being a preschool teacher?

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Of course, we definitely need a lot of really wonderful, great preschool teachers.

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But I know that students, they do want to know what else is available to them because sometimes they're, depending on what program they're in,

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there may be a stronger focus on being a preschool teacher and not necessarily on some of the other careers that they can have.

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And so my colleagues and I came together because we have been experiencing this for a while and we said, let's write a book because we noticed that there,

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as far as we could see, there were no other books that existed that were specific to child and adolescent development and really exploring different career paths.

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So this is really the first book of its kind and we're really proud of it.

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And I think this is why it's doing so well because so many people are interested in learning about different career paths that they can take.

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And so my colleagues and I, we leaned into our own knowledge on a variety of different careers in this field.

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And we conducted expert interviews and also posed questions for the readers to consider in thinking about, you know,

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what career they may want to, you know, what career they want to adopt within child and adolescent development.

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So for instance, you know, let's say a reader was thinking about developing children's toys, right?

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That's something that they can do.

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Or if they want to work with organizations that are focused on children with terminal illnesses, that's a particular path they can take.

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Or if they want an administrative position, right, that's a possible career path.

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So there's just different types of careers and we're really happy with this book. I like it.

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So yes, it's a book that students, we definitely are encouraging students to purchase and read.

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But also it's a book for anybody who is interested in working with children, adolescents, and families.

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I love it. So it really is about career trajectory and offering different options in the adolescent development career field

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and people who are in adjacent career fields that may be not lost,

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but just need some direction in where they want to take their career or how they want to broaden their career, so to speak.

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So, yeah, I think that's definitely a great book.

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Definitely encourage our readers to go out and get a copy of it. And it is available on Amazon, correct?

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Yes, it's available on Amazon.

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Wonderful. Do you have any plans to write any additional books?

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You know, yes. I actually am under contract right now to write a book that is focused on a growth mindset.

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It's funny because one of my colleagues, she contacted me and she said,

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hey, I'm working on a book series. I want you to write a book for the series.

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I said, sure, sounds good. And I told her what I wanted to write.

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She said, that sounds great to me, but I want you to write on this.

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I said, that's great, but I want to write on this. And we kind of went back and forth for a while.

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And so I finally, we were talking about it and I said, okay,

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because there's a certain kind of vision she has for the whole series, right?

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And she was like, come on. And so I decided to combine, right,

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combine both of our interests with this particular book.

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And I love growth mindset. It's totally great. I am a motivational scholar and so is my colleague.

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And so it is something I can easily write on. It's just, I think, because of where my mind is right now,

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like with social justice, I was trying to think about, okay, well, how do I want to kind of, you know,

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pull this book off and it speaks to various interests that I have.

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And so that's what I was working on with this particular book.

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So anyway, I'm excited about the book, but yeah, the main focus is on growth mindset.

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So I know that that's a really popular theory right now.

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So if anyone's interested in maybe picking up my book when it does get released, I definitely,

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I'll let you know when it gets released if anyone wants to.

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Oh, please do. We'll have to have you back on once you have the book ready and it's been released.

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But yeah, either on growth mindset or social justice,

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either one of those are trending topics that I know a lot of people would want to read about.

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So definitely keep going with that. I definitely spur you on with that.

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And I'm going to talk about your web series because you also have a web series out that focuses on equity

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and inclusion in education and some other areas as well.

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But in this web series, you tackle a lot of sensitive and many would say controversial topics.

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So tell us a little bit about why you felt it's important to kind of facilitate discussions on topics like this,

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you know, because our mainstream contemporaries, as you know, often avoid topics that you touch on.

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So, yeah, just talk about that a little bit.

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Right. Thank you so much for bringing this up.

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I am super proud of my webinar series and I really like it.

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It's something that I look forward to.

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I've been on a bit of a hiatus, but I am going to start producing some more shows for that program.

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But yes, it's on YouTube for anyone who's listening.

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It's called Transformative Conversations, Promoting Equity and Inclusion in Education and Beyond.

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And I actually have a couple of programs that I did for this series that I am going to be posting soon

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if anyone wants to check the series out.

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But what how this came about is when George Floyd was murdered almost three years ago now,

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I put on a webinar titled Confronting Anti-Black Racism on College Campuses.

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So it was a two day webinar program that I put on.

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And that was my first time putting on like a major webinar program and it actually it went national.

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It drew an international audience.

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And so I'm glad it did.

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I think a lot of people, especially during that time, were interested in learning more about anti-black racism,

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what it is, what it looks like, how it manifests itself in different ways.

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And so once that two day training was over, I decided to put this program on because I said, you know,

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I want to continue the conversation.

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I don't want to just stop it.

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And so that's where Transformative Conversations came from.

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And I launched the series in the fall of 2020.

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So it's been like two and a half years.

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I'm in my third season.

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And the focus has been so far, for the most part, on the black experience, particularly in education.

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And again, that's because, you know, I had the two day training on confronting anti-black racism.

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And so then I just kept moving forward with discussing the black experience.

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And, you know, I'm expanding, of course, because I do focus on other diverse groups and communities as well.

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But I thought it was really important to center the black experience in education because sometimes it's not talked about enough in mainstream,

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like with mainstream discussions.

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And so I, if you check out my YouTube series, you'll see that I'm talking with other black experts on educational topics that I think are really important.

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So, for instance, inclusion and belonging, the campus color line, which deals with race,

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and it's about how race is still a major issue on our college campuses and education really in general.

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And something with thinking about that, right, about systemic racism and how race is still impacting so many different people,

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I noticed that a lot of times the conversations about what's happening, let's say, on college campuses focus on students, which is great.

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That's wonderful.

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We should focus on students.

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But sometimes there is, like, not enough of a focus on what's happening with faculty and staff who are black and who may be from other marginalized communities.

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And I think that's really problematic.

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I agree.

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Yeah, because I think of myself as like, OK, if I'm not well, then I'm not going to be able to show up for my students.

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So we do need to focus on me.

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We do need to focus on my unique experiences.

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We need to focus on the unique experiences of other black faculty and staff and black and faculty and staff of color.

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It's super, super important.

601
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,000
And it's just not about our students.

602
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:55,000
Our students are important.

603
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:59,000
It's about everyone else who is functioning on a campus.

604
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:00,000
Right.

605
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:05,000
And so I am expanding my focus, of course, to other marginalized groups.

606
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:12,000
And I have like I've had a couple of talks that have focused on black and Jewish relations.

607
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:19,000
And I do want to make a note that, yes, there are people who are black and Jewish.

608
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:24,000
The last conversation that I had was at the end of November, beginning of December.

609
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:30,000
And it was a three day event for my series.

610
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:37,000
The focus was on Kanye West and Kyrie Irving and everything that was going on surrounding the two of them.

611
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:52,000
And it was really great to bring on different speakers to join me in conversation because we were able to explore a lot of different aspects of what was going on.

612
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:58,000
And so, you know, if that's something you ever want to discuss, we can discuss that, I'm sure, at another time.

613
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:03,000
But there are so many diverse opinions about what happened.

614
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:07,000
And it was just good to kind of talk it out with different people.

615
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:14,000
But anyways, I am going to continue to expand on a lot of different issues for the series in different communities.

616
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:24,000
I hope you do because, you know, just the last topic that you mentioned about Kanye West and Kyrie, I mean, at work we were afraid to talk about it.

617
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:28,000
You know, there would be little private circles where two or three people would talk about it.

618
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:33,000
But as a whole, we just really shied away from because you don't want to say the wrong thing.

619
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:34,000
You don't want to offend anyone.

620
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:40,000
And it's such a sensitive topic that, you know, a lot of people just avoided it altogether.

621
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:48,000
So I appreciate forums like this where we're confronting each other, not in a combative way, but in a, you know, how do you consider it?

622
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,000
How do you feel about this?

623
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:51,000
How did this make you feel?

624
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:52,000
What's your take on this?

625
00:58:52,000 --> 00:59:00,000
And it just invites you different points of view that you may be able to take something positive from and expand your perspective on a matter.

626
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,000
So definitely continue this.

627
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,000
It's a great web series.

628
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:08,000
I just love how time just gets away from me on these radio shows.

629
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:12,000
There's some other topic that I wanted to touch on.

630
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,000
And I'll see if we can go over a little bit.

631
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,000
But I'll touch on this.

632
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:31,000
So you recently did an IG live on spirituality, relationships and mental health with Tina Love, who is a very colorful character.

633
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:36,000
Can you tell me about how this dynamic came about?

634
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,000
How did you meet her?

635
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:41,000
And, you know, when are you going to do another show with her?

636
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:44,000
Because that show tickled me so much.

637
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,000
I know you were laughing.

638
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:47,000
You know what?

639
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:52,000
I actually randomly met her after seeing her.

640
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:58,000
Like I was in the audience of a couple of IG live, just in the audience hanging out there.

641
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,000
And somehow we connected.

642
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:04,000
I can't remember who reached out to who.

643
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:09,000
But she reached out to me and said she wanted to go live with me.

644
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:10,000
And I said, sure, why not?

645
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:17,000
And so we just decided to go live on this topic of spirituality, relationships and mental health.

646
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,000
And we've gone live maybe a few times now.

647
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:30,000
And one of our discussions was on Chris Rock, once again getting into, like you said, catching on sensitive topics, which I never shy away from.

648
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:39,000
I guess for me personally, I personally do not see the big deal in discussing these different topics.

649
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:43,000
I think part of that is because I'm used to discussing sensitive topics.

650
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:47,000
It was something that I was like at UCLA.

651
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:50,000
That was something we were always like encouraged to do.

652
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:54,000
And there's a way to discuss sensitive topics as well, you know.

653
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:59,000
So and also with all my classes, I'm always talking about sensitive topics with my students.

654
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:04,000
So sometimes I remember when I, you know, when I was first at my current institution,

655
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:07,000
sometimes my students would be shocked at what we were discussing.

656
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:13,000
And now I think students are just used to what I'm going to bring up in class like the top.

657
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,000
It's like we have to talk about this.

658
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:21,000
I mean, I have to help increase your cultural competence, but we need to have these conversations.

659
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,000
But anyways, yeah, she and I had a really good conversation.

660
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:33,000
And, you know, honestly, most topics that I discuss, whether spirituality, relationships,

661
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:38,000
mental health, like what Tina and I were discussing, it's all related to the work that I do.

662
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:43,000
Because I know for me, I'm always checking in with myself, checking in on my own mental health.

663
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:48,000
I always am coming from a very spiritual place.

664
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,000
I'm a Christian, a proud Christian.

665
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:55,000
And so for me, I'm always thinking about my own Christian values.

666
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:58,000
And I let that lead the way often.

667
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:02,000
So I do consider myself to be spiritual in a lot of different ways.

668
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,000
So it's just a good discussion we were having.

669
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:08,000
But yeah, I know she's a very colorful character, like you said.

670
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:12,000
She's very funny.

671
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:13,000
I just loved it.

672
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:17,000
And I love that you're open to having conversations with people from different backgrounds.

673
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:22,000
I mean, because if you say if you're just talking amongst your colleagues or, you know,

674
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:27,000
fellow educators or what have you, I mean, those can be great discussions,

675
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,000
but then you're also limiting the perspective a bit.

676
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:33,000
But when you kind of broaden out and get people from various backgrounds,

677
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:37,000
it can really enlighten the conversations significantly.

678
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:40,000
So I just I love that you were open to that.

679
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:46,000
And the dynamic between you two, it was just funny because she would say something like completely inappropriate.

680
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:49,000
And you would kind of smile and laugh your way through it.

681
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:51,000
It just tickled me for some reason.

682
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:58,000
But when you have another one that you're about to do, just send me a note so I can make sure I block out the time

683
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:02,000
because I was definitely enthralled with that.

684
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:05,000
I was trying to stay professional with what she was saying.

685
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:07,000
You know, I was like.

686
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,000
Right. That's what made it funny.

687
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,000
That's what made it funny.

688
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:16,000
But listen, I'm going to OK, so I got word from my engineer that we can go over a little bit.

689
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:20,000
So I'm going to press with a few more of my questions, because I wanted to touch on feminism a bit,

690
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:26,000
because this is this is a topic that even for me, I don't really fully.

691
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:29,000
I don't feel like I fully appreciate it as much as I could.

692
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:37,000
So in one of your recent posts on social media, you were commemorating Women's History Month and you quoted an excerpt from

693
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:41,000
Feminism is for Everybody by author Bill Hooks.

694
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:43,000
And I'm going to read it in a second.

695
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:52,000
But what I loved about this quote is that I feel as though it encapsulates the essence of what the feminist movement is all about.

696
01:03:52,000 --> 01:04:01,000
But it says, if any female feels she need anything beyond herself to legitimate and validate her existence,

697
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:07,000
she has already given away her power to be self-defining her agency.

698
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,000
So, like I said, I just love this quote.

699
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:12,000
What about this quote resonated with you?

700
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,000
Oh, my God, I love that quote.

701
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:17,000
And I love Bill Hooks, who's no longer with us.

702
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:23,000
She was an American author, an educator, theorist, a social critic, distinguished professor.

703
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,000
She was absolutely amazing.

704
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:28,000
And the reason I love this quote is because I'm a woman.

705
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:32,000
And as a woman, I know that we have agency, right?

706
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:40,000
And that means we can make our own decisions and live lives that are in alignment with our own values and interests and desires.

707
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:47,000
And also, as women, we don't have to wait around for anyone to lead us, particularly a man.

708
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:54,000
As women, we can be leaders in our own lives and in the lives of others.

709
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:57,000
And just trust me, I appreciate men.

710
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,000
I think men are great.

711
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:04,000
But as a woman, I have my own vision.

712
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:12,000
I have my own needs and desires, and it's not surrounding a man, right?

713
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:21,000
It's about me, or it's about what it's about me being in alignment with my faith, too, as a Christian.

714
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:26,000
And that may not necessarily have anything to do with a man.

715
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:29,000
And so with feminism, right?

716
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:44,000
I mean, I don't know what brand of feminism different people are prescribing to, but more generally, the way I see it is it is about equality of the sexes.

717
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:53,000
And it's just about everyone being able to live their lives in the best way that they know how.

718
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:56,000
And so I want to read this quick quote to you.

719
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:59,000
And I actually posted this on social media, too.

720
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:08,000
I read this quote, and it's by Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who was the former associate justice of the U.S. Supreme Court.

721
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:19,000
And they quote, feminism is the notion that we should each be free to develop our own talents and not be held back by manmade barriers.

722
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:24,000
And I really love this quote, because again, right?

723
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:30,000
Feminism is about empowering, like I said, all people and of course women in particular.

724
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:37,000
And it's really a movement to achieve, like I mentioned before, gender equality in law and in practice.

725
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:43,000
And we can do that by addressing oppression, so sexism, sex exploitation.

726
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:47,000
Something else I want to bring up to you real quick is intersectional feminism.

727
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:52,000
So that's been talked about, or that's been talked about more and more.

728
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:58,000
And so this is about addressing the overlapping or even intersecting, right?

729
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:03,000
Overlapping and intersecting nature of different forms of discrimination.

730
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:07,000
So for instance, sexism, racism, classism, right?

731
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:15,000
How do all of those come together to, you know, affect different communities of women?

732
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:20,000
And so an example would be, you know, I'm a black woman, right?

733
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:26,000
And I have some really good friends who are white women.

734
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:32,000
And so there are certain experiences that we all share, regardless of our race.

735
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:35,000
There are certain experiences such as sexism, right?

736
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:37,000
In different forms of oppression.

737
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:42,000
However, we still are having different experiences because me as a black woman,

738
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:48,000
I'm dealing with or I'm having experiences that aren't different from my white female friends.

739
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:53,000
I check in with them, I talk with them, and we're having different experiences, you know?

740
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:59,000
So for instance, I was thinking of, you know, the stereotype that black women are strong, right?

741
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:04,000
There's a stereotype that exists about our strength.

742
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:09,000
So we're strong, we're brave, we're courageous, you know, I hear all of that.

743
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:12,000
Sure, you know, but we have to be strong, right?

744
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:16,000
It's like we don't, a lot of times we don't have a choice.

745
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:20,000
It's like we kind of have to speak up for ourselves.

746
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:25,000
We have to, you know, fight against injustice.

747
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:28,000
If we don't do it, then who's going to do it for us, right?

748
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:30,000
So we have to do that.

749
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:36,000
And so then, you know, for white women, there's some other stereotypes associated with them,

750
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:41,000
such as, you know, white women being soft, being feminine, being gentle, needing compassion.

751
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:45,000
Like we don't always hear that when it comes to black women.

752
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:49,000
That doesn't mean it's necessarily true, but I'm kind of just going on different stereotypes, right?

753
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:59,000
And so if I continue with this example, right, I've been in situations where I have been discriminated against by white women.

754
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:09,000
And if I bring up my feelings associated with that to, you know, maybe to this particular white woman,

755
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:13,000
she may start crying and now everyone's focused on her tears.

756
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:19,000
And no one's focused on my pain, right, my pain in that particular moment.

757
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:26,000
And so these, I'm just trying to give some examples, right, of how, yes, there are certain experiences

758
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:33,000
that are going to be similar between, let's say, myself as a black woman and other white women, like my white friends.

759
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:36,000
But we are also having different experiences.

760
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:48,000
And so intersectional feminism takes that into account and it kind of speaks to how, yes, with feminism, you know,

761
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:57,000
I knew that there's so many, me and I, we kind of touched on this a little bit earlier,

762
01:09:57,000 --> 01:10:02,000
but I know that there's different feelings surrounding that, you know, that some men might have.

763
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:12,000
But, you know, some of what white women might be fighting for might be different than what black women are fighting for, right?

764
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,000
Right, right.

765
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:21,000
So thinking about like being independent, right, being, so black women, for instance, for the most part,

766
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:29,000
have needed to be independent, right, and highly self-sufficient.

767
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:30,000
Yes.

768
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:32,000
Because of systemic racism.

769
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:34,000
And that says nothing about our black men.

770
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:38,000
Our black men are absolutely amazing and absolutely wonderful.

771
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:42,000
But systemic racism affects black men and black women in really unique ways.

772
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:50,000
And so black women, for the most part, have had to work, you know, and have had to, you know, really,

773
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:57,000
and even for the ones who haven't had to work, like we're still dealing with systemic racism.

774
01:10:57,000 --> 01:11:04,000
Whereas, so, you know, there's, I feel like there's so much I can say regarding this, but I'll try to kind of wrap it up.

775
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:15,000
But, you know, I know that, I guess my bottom line here is that different or diverse communities of women are,

776
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:29,000
have diverse needs and when it comes to feminism are pushing for, you know, are pushing to be seen and heard in a lot of different ways, right?

777
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:41,000
So while there are certain truths that, you know, women in general are dealing with, there's still a lot of diversity.

778
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:48,000
And, you know, in terms of what we, like what our experiences are and what we're fighting for.

779
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:54,000
And so it is important for us to take intersectional feminism into account.

780
01:11:54,000 --> 01:12:04,000
I'm glad that you touched on intersectional feminism because it challenges that perspective that I know a lot of black men have.

781
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:11,000
And I even had it, you know, in my 20s that, you know, feminism is a white woman issue.

782
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:18,000
And, you know, we didn't exactly view it as a cause that black women in particular should be taking up.

783
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:23,000
But, you know, what you said about intersectional feminism, it does challenge that notion.

784
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:32,000
So I'm glad that you talked about that a bit because I feel like it will help enlighten that perspective of feminism as a whole

785
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:37,000
to a lot of people who don't fully appreciate what it all encompasses.

786
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:40,000
So I'm glad that you mentioned that.

787
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:42,000
Can I bring something up to you real quick?

788
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:43,000
Go right ahead.

789
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:46,000
Maybe you've heard about it. It's been going on online.

790
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:55,000
So you're right. There have been some interesting conversations I've been a part of where, and again, this is not all black men, right?

791
01:12:55,000 --> 01:13:01,000
But there have been black men who have talked about, have you heard of like passport rose?

792
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:03,000
I don't know all the details surrounding it.

793
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:05,000
What is it?

794
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:13,000
It's apparently this community called Passport Bros. Have you heard of this? This is like online.

795
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:18,000
Vaguely I've heard of Passport Bros. But enlighten me. What is it?

796
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:20,000
Yeah. Well, you know what? I'm learning too.

797
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:30,000
So I've been hearing about it more recently online. It sounds like this has been kind of a community that's been growing.

798
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:35,000
But basically it seems like there's this growing community of men.

799
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:38,000
And I think this is how they're referring to themselves.

800
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:45,000
Passport Bros. And just like you, I vaguely heard about it, but I'm hearing about it more and more the more I'm online.

801
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:53,000
And basically it's a group of men who are saying that feminism is the problem and feminism is what's ruining the black family.

802
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:55,000
Like this is what I'm hearing.

803
01:13:55,000 --> 01:14:01,000
And I'm hearing this straight from the men's mouths who are a part of this community.

804
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:10,000
And again, I'm just going off what I'm literally hearing when I'm attending different like discussions that are occurring online.

805
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:19,000
But what's interesting is at the same time these, you know, a number of these men, what's happening is they're using their passports and they're going overseas.

806
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:33,000
They're going to countries like the Dominican Republic, for instance, and they are engaging in what many are saying looks like sex tourism and even sex exploitation.

807
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:36,000
And that doesn't mean that's what all the men are doing.

808
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:51,000
There are men who are apparently going over to other countries to marry a woman from overseas because they're saying that women here in America are into feminism and they don't want any part of that.

809
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:55,000
And so I find it all to be problematic in general, you know.

810
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:57,000
And again, this isn't all men.

811
01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:04,000
This is not, you know, this is like a group of men and I'm a growing group of men.

812
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:09,000
And it seems to be a trend what's happening and I'm kind of reading about it a little bit more.

813
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:31,000
But I do find this problematic because on the one hand, you know, we have this group of men who are complaining about feminism here in America but are going overseas and engaging in behaviors that I think are questionable when it comes to the women in some of these other countries.

814
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:36,000
And I think this might be coming out of not fully understanding them.

815
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:42,000
And I don't know what's really going on and I don't want to, I don't think I want to speak beyond what I currently know.

816
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:44,000
But this is what I currently know.

817
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:47,000
Apparently there have been some, I think, some articles written about it too.

818
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:48,000
Right.

819
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:57,000
No, I'm giggling a bit because I'm listening to you but I'm also Googling passport bros as well just to get an understanding.

820
01:15:57,000 --> 01:16:10,000
I'm like I said I was vaguely familiar with this terminology but what I have here is that the passport bros are men who have chosen to seek out foreign women, typically from other countries for relationships.

821
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:19,000
They believe that Western women have been influenced by cultural and societal pressures to behave a certain way.

822
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:28,000
And so that spurs them seeking out foreign women. It doesn't necessarily say for sex. I know that that goes on too.

823
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:33,000
I think that's a whole separate issue, the exploitation of foreign women.

824
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:42,000
But yeah, but from this definition that I'm, and it may be a limited definition, I'll definitely do some more research on it, but it tends to be more of a school of thought that hey,

825
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:59,000
there's a issue with Westernized women in terms of, you know, feminism type thing and not really being in line with the traditional role of a woman in a relationship.

826
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:03,000
So I think it's more along those lines and less so about sex.

827
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:13,000
But I'm actually glad that you brought this up because this would be a great conversation to have with some friends of mine who I think may fall into this category.

828
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:31,000
You know, truthfully, even I share some of that sentiment that Westernized women are a little bit more difficult to court, so to speak, and not placing all Western women in a box.

829
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:37,000
But certainly a lot of men share that school of thought.

830
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:46,000
So I think that's a perfect topic for your next web series. I'd actually like to be a part of that.

831
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:57,000
That's actually a really good topic of discussion because it's because I'm kind of scared talking to you about it because it's just one of those topics that, you know, oh my God, I don't want to fall out.

832
01:17:57,000 --> 01:18:01,000
I don't want to have a difficult conversation, but this is stuff that we need to talk about.

833
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:10,000
It needs to be talked about. Seriously. I think we both need to do some independent research on it, get more knowledgeable about it, and highlight it.

834
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:15,000
I think it's a perfect topic for a web series. So I'm actually glad you brought it up.

835
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:21,000
Perfect. And one last thing I want to say just really, really quickly is, you know, and because I want to make it clear to the audience,

836
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:28,000
this particular community of men is something that I am still learning about myself.

837
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:35,000
So when I brought up like sex tourism, for example, or sex exploitation, do I think that there may be men who are engaged in that?

838
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:45,000
Yes, because I don't know 100% sure, but that is the conversation. That's one of the conversations and one of the more critical conversations surrounding this.

839
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:51,000
But yes, there are all men who are part of that community may not be doing that. I would bring that up.

840
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:52,000
Absolutely.

841
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:57,000
That's a critical conversation that's occurring, but I don't want, but I want to make it very clear.

842
01:18:57,000 --> 01:19:06,000
I'm not saying that all the men who are part of that community are even engaging in that because that is highly problematic.

843
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:13,000
But what I, another really problematic conversation surrounding it is who makes up that group?

844
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:20,000
And a lot of the stereotypes about women that are associated with that, and black women in particular.

845
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:32,000
So there are men from that community who are making really, well, really problematic remarks about black women and really grouping black women together

846
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:44,000
and saying things that just aren't true about all black women as an excuse to, as their excuse to go overseas as really putting black women down at the same time.

847
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:53,000
And so that was one of the reasons I kind of wanted to bring that up as we were talking about intersectional feminism because, you know, as black women,

848
01:19:53,000 --> 01:20:08,000
I think, you know, we want our black men, right, to support us and whether online or offline and so to be hearing, you know, some of our own men.

849
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:22,000
And it's not all, of course not, you know, but hearing some of our own men make really, you know, horrible remarks about us and not really understanding our role in feminism is hard to hear.

850
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:28,000
I agree. It's time to have the conversation because I do see a great divide coming in that area.

851
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:38,000
If we don't sit down and have these difficult conversations and enlightening conversations on topics like this, it's just going to further divide the community.

852
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:49,000
So I am a big proponent of talking more about this. So glad you brought this up because this, like I said, is a worthy conversation.

853
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:58,000
Dr. Harvin, this has been a blast. I know we've gone over. I don't want to continue on too much and take advantage of the kindness of my engineer,

854
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but I appreciate him extending our time a bit. And I really have enjoyed this conversation. I do hope that we reconvene on some level, whether it's on your web series or perhaps another segment here on this show.

855
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:21,000
This has been an absolute blast. I thank you so much for your time today. And again, happy Women's History Month to you. And I look forward to connecting with you soon.

856
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:30,000
Thank you so much. I appreciate you having me on the show. And if anyone wants to connect with me, be sure to connect with me on Instagram.

857
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:49,000
My handle is at Dr. so D-R-period-A-L-E-T-H-A-H-A-R-B-E-N. So that's at Dr. Harvin. And then my email is AlethaHarvin at gmail.com and my website is alethaharvin.com.

858
01:21:49,000 --> 01:22:05,000
And Dr. Harvin's book is again, Careers in Child and Adolescent Development, and it's available now on Amazon. Also be sure to check out her web series on YouTube. And like she said, follow her on Instagram. She has a wonderful Instagram page with a lot of great content.

859
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:23,000
And you can check our show's web page for more information. So thank you again. That's our show for tonight, folks. Be sure to tune in for our next episode, which airs live on Wednesday, April 26th at 8 p.m. Eastern, right here on the Artist First Radio Network. Good night, everybody.

860
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:56,000
Bye.