WEBVTT 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:06.660 in a world brimming with complexity few creatures 00:00:06.660 --> 00:00:12.839 embody harmony like the honeybee with tireless 00:00:12.839 --> 00:00:17.699 precision she dances from bloom to bloom each 00:00:17.699 --> 00:00:22.420 motion guided by millennia upon millennia of 00:00:22.420 --> 00:00:28.800 instinct each act in service to the whole and 00:00:28.800 --> 00:00:34.560 then There are the beekeepers, watchful stewards 00:00:34.560 --> 00:00:40.500 of this ancient symbiosis. Part agriscientist, 00:00:40.840 --> 00:00:45.460 part poet, they move along their hives with the 00:00:45.460 --> 00:00:50.539 efficiency of mow, levy and curly, tending to 00:00:50.539 --> 00:00:54.219 the bees' needs as best they can comprehend, 00:00:54.859 --> 00:00:59.670 and with the infrequency of a waterfall in the 00:00:59.670 --> 00:01:05.590 Sahara, sometimes running off flapping and flailing 00:01:05.590 --> 00:01:12.150 like a penguin on a hot sidewalk. This is their 00:01:12.150 --> 00:01:23.930 journey. Welcome, welcome to Be Love Beekeeping 00:01:23.930 --> 00:01:26.769 presented by our great friends and partners in 00:01:26.769 --> 00:01:30.150 beekeeping, Man Lake. Today we're going to be 00:01:30.150 --> 00:01:33.150 discussing Varroa mites, various treatments, 00:01:33.530 --> 00:01:36.950 and specifically Naroa, which is literally a 00:01:36.950 --> 00:01:40.109 birth control for mites. Is it safe? Is it effective? 00:01:40.250 --> 00:01:43.230 Is it available in my state? All these answers 00:01:43.230 --> 00:01:46.000 and a whole bunch more coming up. First, oh, 00:01:46.060 --> 00:01:48.000 I can't believe I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna 00:01:48.000 --> 00:01:50.480 discuss something that is very controversial, 00:01:50.920 --> 00:01:54.000 especially with my neighbors, and that is the 00:01:54.000 --> 00:01:56.920 herbicide glyphosate, also known as Roundup. 00:01:57.519 --> 00:02:00.359 Most beekeepers and people concerned with their 00:02:00.359 --> 00:02:03.260 own personal health feel like glyphosate has 00:02:03.260 --> 00:02:06.680 negative health effects. But let's see what the 00:02:06.680 --> 00:02:09.939 science says. While glyphosate may not kill bees 00:02:09.939 --> 00:02:13.659 on contact, according to one study, it disrupts 00:02:13.659 --> 00:02:16.759 gut bacteria that bees rely on, leaving them 00:02:16.759 --> 00:02:20.180 more vulnerable to pathogens and premature death. 00:02:20.659 --> 00:02:24.759 Even sub -lethal exposure matters. Research has 00:02:24.759 --> 00:02:27.180 linked glyphosate to delayed brood development 00:02:27.180 --> 00:02:30.520 in the field. Reduced times bees spend foraging 00:02:30.520 --> 00:02:34.259 on treated plants and residues persisting in 00:02:34.259 --> 00:02:38.699 nectar and pollen for days after treatment, creating 00:02:38.699 --> 00:02:42.379 repeated exposure risk. And it's not just the 00:02:42.379 --> 00:02:45.460 glyphosate. Research has also shown that other, 00:02:45.460 --> 00:02:49.379 quote, inert ingredients in Roundup are also 00:02:49.379 --> 00:02:52.919 harmful to bees. And I just came across a brand 00:02:52.919 --> 00:02:55.879 new study out from Virginia Tech that has found 00:02:55.879 --> 00:02:58.620 that glyphosate can interfere with honeybee foraging 00:02:58.620 --> 00:03:01.919 behavior and may threaten hive stability over 00:03:01.919 --> 00:03:06.099 time. After only three days of exposure to glyphosate, 00:03:06.479 --> 00:03:10.340 honeybees showed a 13 % decline in foraging activity, 00:03:10.979 --> 00:03:14.819 along with changes in brain chemistry. All right, 00:03:14.919 --> 00:03:17.900 here's kind of a bottom line. Roundup doesn't 00:03:17.900 --> 00:03:20.639 cause the dramatic mass die -offs associated 00:03:20.639 --> 00:03:24.300 with neonicotinoid insecticides, which is why 00:03:24.300 --> 00:03:28.000 it's often labeled, quote, be safe. But that 00:03:28.000 --> 00:03:30.560 label is misleading. If you're spraying near 00:03:30.560 --> 00:03:33.340 hives or flowering plants that bees are actively 00:03:33.340 --> 00:03:37.280 visiting, you're risking real harm, largely from 00:03:37.280 --> 00:03:41.360 direct contact or coating rather than systemic 00:03:41.360 --> 00:03:45.039 poisoning. Best practices, never spray directly 00:03:45.039 --> 00:03:47.840 on blooming plants, avoid spraying when bees 00:03:47.840 --> 00:03:51.319 are foraging, and consider that low toxicity 00:03:51.319 --> 00:03:55.419 to bees on a label reflects lab tests of the 00:03:55.419 --> 00:03:58.900 active ingredient alone, not the full formulated 00:03:58.900 --> 00:04:02.639 product bees actually encounter. Just a couple 00:04:02.639 --> 00:04:06.419 of other thoughts. Glyphosate stays active for 00:04:06.419 --> 00:04:09.759 a long, long time. It can get into groundwater. 00:04:10.439 --> 00:04:12.919 I don't know about you, but it's just something 00:04:12.919 --> 00:04:15.479 I don't feel good about it being around my bees. 00:04:15.939 --> 00:04:18.519 There are other ways to take care of weeds in 00:04:18.519 --> 00:04:21.759 your yard. If you're in a position like me where 00:04:21.759 --> 00:04:25.360 you have some farms around you, you may not be 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:27.879 able to do that much about it. Become friends 00:04:27.879 --> 00:04:31.259 with the farmers. Talk to them about it. I've 00:04:31.259 --> 00:04:33.100 found that may or may not take you very far, 00:04:33.300 --> 00:04:35.980 but it's definitely worth a try. We want to keep 00:04:35.980 --> 00:04:38.100 everybody healthy. That's the bottom line. We 00:04:38.100 --> 00:04:40.600 love our bees. Let's do everything that we can 00:04:40.600 --> 00:04:49.439 for them. I'd like to welcome great guest today, 00:04:49.779 --> 00:04:52.220 Adam Pockel. How are you doing, Adam? I'm doing 00:04:52.220 --> 00:04:55.060 well. How are you doing? Fantastic. Are you in 00:04:55.060 --> 00:04:57.470 North Dakota? Is that what I remember? Yep, I 00:04:57.470 --> 00:05:01.550 live in North Dakota, so we've been in a heat 00:05:01.550 --> 00:05:04.170 wave enjoying our hot summer this year. Haven't 00:05:04.170 --> 00:05:06.490 we all been in a heat wave? Are you getting some 00:05:06.490 --> 00:05:09.509 of the smoke from the west and from Canada? A 00:05:09.509 --> 00:05:12.230 little bit. Honestly, I don't think it's as bad 00:05:12.230 --> 00:05:15.750 as some years, but the last week, especially 00:05:15.750 --> 00:05:18.389 over the weekend, it was really bad. So it's 00:05:18.389 --> 00:05:20.769 just kind of part of life. It's been a crazy 00:05:20.769 --> 00:05:24.230 year. I wonder how the bees adjust to the smoke. 00:05:24.689 --> 00:05:26.329 I don't know, something I always am concerned 00:05:26.329 --> 00:05:28.370 about. I've always wondered that. It doesn't 00:05:28.370 --> 00:05:30.870 seem like it has any effect that I've seen, but 00:05:30.870 --> 00:05:32.990 then all the hives are dealing with it at the 00:05:32.990 --> 00:05:35.889 same time, so it's hard to make any comparisons. 00:05:36.850 --> 00:05:39.850 Adam works with Greenlight Biosciences, the maker 00:05:39.850 --> 00:05:42.069 of Noroa. We're going to be talking about that 00:05:42.069 --> 00:05:45.230 today. Before we jump into that, our listeners, 00:05:45.290 --> 00:05:49.009 they know what Varroa mites are, but in spite 00:05:49.009 --> 00:05:53.639 of that, With some newbies around, take a very 00:05:53.639 --> 00:05:57.660 short 20 -30 seconds and tell us what the heck 00:05:57.660 --> 00:06:00.420 these stupid mites are and why they're a problem 00:06:00.420 --> 00:06:03.620 and why every single beekeeper needs to be aware. 00:06:04.220 --> 00:06:06.779 The way I like to tell people is imagine you 00:06:06.779 --> 00:06:09.740 had a tick on you the size of a dinner plate 00:06:09.740 --> 00:06:12.879 and that's kind of what a varroa mite is for 00:06:12.879 --> 00:06:16.209 a honeybee there. parasitic mite they feed on 00:06:16.209 --> 00:06:18.610 the larvae they feed on the adults and they spread 00:06:18.610 --> 00:06:20.850 disease they weaken the colony it just there's 00:06:20.850 --> 00:06:24.490 nothing that they do that's good and so keeping 00:06:24.490 --> 00:06:26.790 them under controls one of the most important 00:06:26.790 --> 00:06:29.990 things a beekeeper can do and if you think your 00:06:29.990 --> 00:06:33.689 bees are immune to it think again please they're 00:06:33.689 --> 00:06:38.470 not yeah if anyone could could come up with a 00:06:38.470 --> 00:06:41.910 truly resistant strain they'd be a millionaire 00:06:41.910 --> 00:06:45.240 real quick yeah Well, people are working on it. 00:06:45.379 --> 00:06:48.779 We'll see. They are. So Narrowa just came out 00:06:48.779 --> 00:06:52.420 for the public about a year ago. Will you update 00:06:52.420 --> 00:06:55.459 us a little bit on the progress? Because last 00:06:55.459 --> 00:06:58.800 we talked last fall, it was available in some 00:06:58.800 --> 00:07:02.439 states and not in some other states. And here 00:07:02.439 --> 00:07:05.819 in the U .S. and let's talk about foreign countries 00:07:05.819 --> 00:07:08.689 too. Where is it available? Yep, you're right. 00:07:08.750 --> 00:07:13.790 So we got registered on September 25th of 2025. 00:07:14.149 --> 00:07:16.389 If I remember right, I might be off by day. That 00:07:16.389 --> 00:07:18.470 was our federal registration. If you have to 00:07:18.470 --> 00:07:20.089 go through and get registered in every state, 00:07:20.569 --> 00:07:23.629 we received our last state registration in, I 00:07:23.629 --> 00:07:26.689 think it was May, late April or May, which was 00:07:26.689 --> 00:07:29.470 New York. So it's now available in all 50 states 00:07:29.470 --> 00:07:32.110 as well. I believe we were registered in Puerto 00:07:32.110 --> 00:07:36.430 Rico as well. And now we're under review in Canada. 00:07:36.730 --> 00:07:40.009 in Mexico, in the European Union, in New Zealand. 00:07:40.410 --> 00:07:42.990 We're looking at Australia. We haven't submitted 00:07:42.990 --> 00:07:44.990 there yet, but it's definitely on our radar and 00:07:44.990 --> 00:07:47.269 something that we're probably going to work towards. 00:07:47.850 --> 00:07:50.490 So yeah, there's a lot going on. We passed the 00:07:50.490 --> 00:07:52.850 kind of initial registration stage in the U .S., 00:07:52.850 --> 00:07:56.170 but now we're looking elsewhere as we work on 00:07:56.170 --> 00:07:58.689 kind of the next steps in the U .S. Well, I know 00:07:58.689 --> 00:08:01.069 it's not easy to get something like this approved 00:08:01.069 --> 00:08:05.129 in other countries, especially. And so good luck 00:08:05.129 --> 00:08:08.110 with that. We had somebody from Australia on 00:08:08.110 --> 00:08:11.709 the show last week, Cedar Anderson, and yeah, 00:08:11.769 --> 00:08:14.290 they would love it down there. And we have a 00:08:14.290 --> 00:08:17.050 lot of listeners in New Zealand and the UK, etc. 00:08:17.310 --> 00:08:19.790 So hopefully those things will move swiftly. 00:08:20.230 --> 00:08:22.750 For those that didn't hear our episode last time 00:08:22.750 --> 00:08:26.449 around, I don't want you to dig really deep into 00:08:26.449 --> 00:08:31.189 the science, but tell us what Naroa does compared 00:08:31.189 --> 00:08:34.539 to regular miticides that are out there. and 00:08:34.539 --> 00:08:36.500 some of the alternatives that are out there. 00:08:36.980 --> 00:08:39.240 Yeah, it's really cool. You know, as beekeepers, 00:08:39.259 --> 00:08:41.200 we've kind of been conditioned to just letting 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:43.879 our mite populations build up. And then once 00:08:43.879 --> 00:08:46.679 they reach a certain level where we think they're 00:08:46.679 --> 00:08:49.899 too high, we kill them off. We use what we refer 00:08:49.899 --> 00:08:53.519 to as knockdown products. And EROA kind of reshapes 00:08:53.519 --> 00:08:56.559 how a person can approach their mite control. 00:08:57.080 --> 00:08:59.600 Instead of killing mites, it stops them from 00:08:59.600 --> 00:09:01.820 reproducing. So if you apply when your mite levels 00:09:01.820 --> 00:09:04.809 are low, Those mites that that exist in your 00:09:04.809 --> 00:09:07.289 hive and you always have some some degree of 00:09:07.289 --> 00:09:09.110 rural mites in your hive But the ones that are 00:09:09.110 --> 00:09:11.269 there won't be able to reproduce anymore. So 00:09:11.269 --> 00:09:13.690 instead of seeing that Exponential growth curve 00:09:13.690 --> 00:09:16.610 that we're used to it flat lines for as long 00:09:16.610 --> 00:09:19.090 as it's effective in the hive Which we've seen 00:09:19.090 --> 00:09:22.230 is up to 18 weeks or four and a half months And 00:09:22.230 --> 00:09:24.889 how does it do it? Is it just killing mites or 00:09:24.889 --> 00:09:27.879 what's it doing different? So it's it's delivered 00:09:27.879 --> 00:09:30.240 through a sugar syrup and in the pouches if you 00:09:30.240 --> 00:09:32.279 take a look at a norah pouch the active ingredients 00:09:32.279 --> 00:09:35.080 in a sugar syrup you peel back a sticker that 00:09:35.080 --> 00:09:38.039 exposes some holes the bees can then take those 00:09:38.039 --> 00:09:41.500 that syrup and store it in their brood box and 00:09:41.500 --> 00:09:43.559 then those stores in the brood box are used to 00:09:43.559 --> 00:09:46.460 feed the older larva so when that gets deposited 00:09:46.460 --> 00:09:49.500 in the cell as brood food the mites come in contact 00:09:49.500 --> 00:09:51.580 when they're hiding underneath the larva and 00:09:51.580 --> 00:09:53.970 they absorb the active ingredient. That starts 00:09:53.970 --> 00:09:56.809 a process called RNA interference, which we could 00:09:56.809 --> 00:09:58.909 spend a long time just describing how that works. 00:09:59.190 --> 00:10:02.029 But basically, it genetically blocks a protein 00:10:02.029 --> 00:10:04.929 from being produced. And without that protein, 00:10:05.049 --> 00:10:07.690 then they can't lay eggs. It's a really natural 00:10:07.690 --> 00:10:10.169 process. It's happening in our bodies right now. 00:10:10.470 --> 00:10:12.950 It's how cells regulate themselves. So we're 00:10:12.950 --> 00:10:15.769 just kind of utilizing this technology and this 00:10:15.769 --> 00:10:18.750 ability that we have now to stop them from reproducing 00:10:18.750 --> 00:10:20.549 instead of just outright killing them and letting 00:10:20.549 --> 00:10:22.889 them bounce right back. I like just calling it 00:10:22.889 --> 00:10:25.230 birth control for honey bees. I've definitely 00:10:25.230 --> 00:10:28.409 heard that comparison a lot of times now. Go 00:10:28.409 --> 00:10:31.889 ahead and say it don't be afraid of it. All right 00:10:31.889 --> 00:10:35.269 well I have some questions about it. One is now 00:10:35.269 --> 00:10:37.690 that it's been on the market for well not even 00:10:37.690 --> 00:10:40.029 a year, what kind of feedback are you getting 00:10:40.029 --> 00:10:42.309 from beekeepers? Are they happy with it? Are 00:10:42.309 --> 00:10:45.580 they using it correctly? What's going on? For 00:10:45.580 --> 00:10:47.879 the most part, using it correctly, I don't think 00:10:47.879 --> 00:10:49.980 anyone will be surprised to find out that there's 00:10:49.980 --> 00:10:53.039 some beekeepers that are, I would say, getting 00:10:53.039 --> 00:10:56.039 creative in their application methods. Some of 00:10:56.039 --> 00:10:58.120 those just aren't going to work. When we find 00:10:58.120 --> 00:11:01.340 out about them, I'm happy to talk to the beekeeper, 00:11:01.759 --> 00:11:03.919 or if someone has questions, I'm always happy 00:11:03.919 --> 00:11:05.480 to talk with them, and we've definitely had some 00:11:05.480 --> 00:11:08.080 of that. But for the most part, all the feedback 00:11:08.080 --> 00:11:10.580 that we're getting is really positive. People 00:11:10.580 --> 00:11:13.600 have used it in the spring, and now they're kind 00:11:13.600 --> 00:11:16.450 of coming... to that three or four month mark 00:11:16.450 --> 00:11:18.750 even and they're seeing that their colonies are 00:11:18.750 --> 00:11:21.210 doing great, their mite levels are low. I know 00:11:21.210 --> 00:11:23.830 there's some influencers that used it that are 00:11:23.830 --> 00:11:25.690 planning on making videos. I don't want to ruin 00:11:25.690 --> 00:11:28.309 what they do but they they've said they plan 00:11:28.309 --> 00:11:30.809 on making videos showing that Nuro is their best 00:11:30.809 --> 00:11:34.669 colony. We've got a lot of beekeepers been willing 00:11:34.669 --> 00:11:37.009 to make video testimonials for us. We were just 00:11:37.009 --> 00:11:40.509 at EAS last week and got some footage of that 00:11:40.509 --> 00:11:43.669 so it'll be on our social media soon but by and 00:11:43.669 --> 00:11:45.899 large the results are speaking for themselves 00:11:45.899 --> 00:11:48.259 and people are really happy. The only criticism 00:11:48.259 --> 00:11:49.879 we get is the one that we know is that right 00:11:49.879 --> 00:11:52.139 now it's really expensive and so that's kind 00:11:52.139 --> 00:11:54.820 of what we're working towards in our next steps 00:11:54.820 --> 00:11:58.200 is bringing that cost down. Yeah and I know that 00:11:58.200 --> 00:12:00.659 kind of thing takes time. There's so much R &D 00:12:00.659 --> 00:12:03.139 that goes into it. I'll bet you could use one 00:12:03.139 --> 00:12:05.600 of those analogies and say well it's a lot cheaper 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:08.659 than buying new bees. It absolutely is. I mean 00:12:08.659 --> 00:12:12.519 even if you're treating a double um using the 00:12:12.519 --> 00:12:15.259 most expensive packs you can buy that's 40 dollars 00:12:15.259 --> 00:12:18.500 and if you can find your replacement bees in 00:12:18.500 --> 00:12:20.740 the spring for 40 dollars man you're sitting 00:12:20.740 --> 00:12:23.480 you're sitting pretty great there but yeah you're 00:12:23.480 --> 00:12:26.100 right the rnd is very very time consuming very 00:12:26.100 --> 00:12:29.340 expensive and so it just it kind of starts off 00:12:29.340 --> 00:12:33.240 where you've got to try and break even from that 00:12:33.240 --> 00:12:35.340 and bring your cost down as well because you're 00:12:35.340 --> 00:12:37.919 doing everything for the first time. Let me ask 00:12:37.919 --> 00:12:41.690 you some specific questions about uses and when 00:12:41.690 --> 00:12:44.990 to and when not to. People always wonder, can 00:12:44.990 --> 00:12:48.269 I use it when I have honey supers on? We say 00:12:48.269 --> 00:12:50.870 no. Now it's safe to use with honey supers on. 00:12:50.990 --> 00:12:53.009 There's a tolerance exemption just like oxalic 00:12:53.009 --> 00:12:56.230 acid has. So if neuroa, the active ingredient, 00:12:56.429 --> 00:12:58.710 vadascona, makes its way into your honey supers, 00:12:58.750 --> 00:13:01.889 it's safe. The reason we say no is it's really 00:13:01.889 --> 00:13:05.649 going to decrease the efficacy. Because it's 00:13:05.649 --> 00:13:08.129 delivered through brood food, you want the mites 00:13:08.129 --> 00:13:10.649 to come in contact with it in the cell. anything 00:13:10.649 --> 00:13:12.929 that gets stored in a super doesn't really get 00:13:12.929 --> 00:13:15.529 used for that in the hive so you're going to 00:13:15.529 --> 00:13:17.429 store it above the brood nest and it's just not 00:13:17.429 --> 00:13:19.230 going to come in contact with the mites and it's 00:13:19.230 --> 00:13:21.009 not going to do what you're paying for it to 00:13:21.009 --> 00:13:24.590 do. Because it works for such a long time that 00:13:24.590 --> 00:13:27.549 I believe you said 18 weeks, is it a good thing 00:13:27.549 --> 00:13:30.490 to put in the hives in the fall? Can I leave 00:13:30.490 --> 00:13:33.090 it in all winter? Do I have to get it out after 00:13:33.090 --> 00:13:36.639 18 weeks? So the pouches themselves are only 00:13:36.639 --> 00:13:39.179 in for a couple of days. Our label says that 00:13:39.179 --> 00:13:42.220 you can remove them up to three weeks later or 00:13:42.220 --> 00:13:44.500 whenever they're empty. Usually we see the pouches 00:13:44.500 --> 00:13:47.179 emptied in two to three days. At that point it's 00:13:47.179 --> 00:13:49.659 just in your hive and the only way that you would 00:13:49.659 --> 00:13:52.039 be able to remove it is by removing the frames, 00:13:52.360 --> 00:13:55.440 which we're not going to ask anyone to do. Quick 00:13:55.440 --> 00:13:58.259 break to discuss what just might be on your mind. 00:13:58.559 --> 00:14:01.580 Right now come on admit it. 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So if you're in a southern 00:14:59.450 --> 00:15:01.490 state or just anywhere where you're going to 00:15:01.490 --> 00:15:05.289 have brood for a long time, say it's now, we're 00:15:05.289 --> 00:15:08.289 in August, and you're not going to go broodless 00:15:08.289 --> 00:15:10.350 until December or you're just in a state where 00:15:10.350 --> 00:15:12.950 you don't go broodless, then you absolutely can 00:15:12.950 --> 00:15:15.929 look at a fall application because as long as 00:15:15.929 --> 00:15:17.509 you have brood, that's when it's working for 00:15:17.509 --> 00:15:19.899 you. Now, some of the northern states, you need 00:15:19.899 --> 00:15:21.840 to take a closer look at it and what you think 00:15:21.840 --> 00:15:24.299 your fall is going to be like. If I were to apply 00:15:24.299 --> 00:15:26.679 it now in August, which I can't because I haven't 00:15:26.679 --> 00:15:28.580 pulled my supers yet, I probably wouldn't be 00:15:28.580 --> 00:15:31.539 able to in September. If I cluster up in October, 00:15:31.620 --> 00:15:34.039 that's a month that it's working for me, and 00:15:34.039 --> 00:15:36.179 then it's just in the hive not really doing what 00:15:36.179 --> 00:15:38.539 I want it to do, and in fact the workers could 00:15:38.539 --> 00:15:41.519 be consuming it. But last year I had brewed all 00:15:41.519 --> 00:15:43.899 the way up to Thanksgiving. It would have been 00:15:43.899 --> 00:15:46.259 really good for me then. So you kind of got to 00:15:46.259 --> 00:15:48.429 look at how long you're going to have brewed 00:15:48.429 --> 00:15:50.669 and again what your mite levels are because you 00:15:50.669 --> 00:15:53.509 want to start out with low mites. Okay so from 00:15:53.509 --> 00:15:57.509 a practical standpoint here's where I am I'm 00:15:57.509 --> 00:16:00.509 in a climate that gets cold super hot right now 00:16:00.509 --> 00:16:04.190 I'm in the mountains of Utah and so here's what 00:16:04.190 --> 00:16:06.210 I'm thinking you tell me if this makes sense 00:16:06.210 --> 00:16:09.629 or not I'm thinking of pulling my honey supers 00:16:09.629 --> 00:16:13.169 first of September I'm gonna check mite levels 00:16:13.169 --> 00:16:15.960 again right then I don't think they're going 00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:18.620 to be out of control but if they are I'm going 00:16:18.620 --> 00:16:21.659 to use something else to knock them down quickly 00:16:21.659 --> 00:16:25.679 then I'm going to put the neuroa in because I'm 00:16:25.679 --> 00:16:28.539 probably going to have brood well into November 00:16:28.539 --> 00:16:31.759 sometime. Yeah I think that that sounds like 00:16:31.759 --> 00:16:34.279 a great plan and we've done studies looking even 00:16:34.279 --> 00:16:36.639 if you wanted to put a knockdown at the same 00:16:36.639 --> 00:16:39.139 time we've got a couple years of field trials 00:16:39.139 --> 00:16:41.820 now trying that so you can safely put it in with 00:16:41.820 --> 00:16:47.440 oxalic acid with formic acid. with Apivar and 00:16:47.440 --> 00:16:49.539 the two don't interact. They both do what you 00:16:49.539 --> 00:16:52.659 want them to do. They don't impact each other, 00:16:52.759 --> 00:16:54.559 make it less effective, they're not any harder 00:16:54.559 --> 00:16:57.000 on the bees. That's definitely an option if you 00:16:57.000 --> 00:16:59.259 need to pull it down. It's also kind of interesting 00:16:59.259 --> 00:17:01.879 that you mentioned timing and asking about it 00:17:01.879 --> 00:17:04.240 in your specific region because that's a question 00:17:04.240 --> 00:17:06.900 that we get a lot and so what we've done is created 00:17:06.900 --> 00:17:09.799 a timing tool that's on our website where you 00:17:09.799 --> 00:17:12.240 can click on your region Select the honey flows 00:17:12.240 --> 00:17:15.440 you have, add honey flows, change the dates if 00:17:15.440 --> 00:17:18.059 they don't look right to you, especially on a 00:17:18.059 --> 00:17:20.859 given year because things vary so much. And it'll 00:17:20.859 --> 00:17:22.900 tell you what your spring and fall windows would 00:17:22.900 --> 00:17:24.960 be. So we developed that because we're getting 00:17:24.960 --> 00:17:26.900 a lot of questions from like Utah or Florida 00:17:26.900 --> 00:17:29.480 or anywhere in the nation that we don't live 00:17:29.480 --> 00:17:32.500 and aren't familiar with their local landscapes. 00:17:33.220 --> 00:17:36.160 So people can tap into that and play around with 00:17:36.160 --> 00:17:38.519 it and see when it would work for them. I live 00:17:38.519 --> 00:17:40.940 in North Dakota. Eric, my counterpart, is in 00:17:40.940 --> 00:17:43.819 North Carolina. If we get asked by people, when 00:17:43.819 --> 00:17:46.019 should I apply this in Utah or when should I 00:17:46.019 --> 00:17:48.180 apply it in Florida or when should I apply it 00:17:48.180 --> 00:17:51.140 in Maine, instead of us just guessing or having 00:17:51.140 --> 00:17:53.279 to have a really long conversation trying to 00:17:53.279 --> 00:17:55.299 figure out what their landscape looks like, what 00:17:55.299 --> 00:17:57.839 their flow is going to be, people can use that 00:17:57.839 --> 00:18:00.099 tool to kind of figure it out for themselves. 00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:02.980 And it's kind of fun to play around too and look 00:18:02.980 --> 00:18:05.160 at what other regions look like, look what flows 00:18:05.160 --> 00:18:07.279 they have. I've spent a little bit of time just 00:18:07.450 --> 00:18:09.650 just doing that to learn more about different 00:18:09.650 --> 00:18:13.150 regions that I'm not in. And this is also a good 00:18:13.150 --> 00:18:16.769 reminder that beekeeping is so localized, hyper 00:18:16.769 --> 00:18:20.569 localized I'm even going to say, because somebody 00:18:20.569 --> 00:18:24.710 20 miles from me is going to be completely different 00:18:24.710 --> 00:18:28.109 than me because I'm 1500 feet in elevation higher 00:18:28.109 --> 00:18:31.069 than they are. And of course every year is different 00:18:31.069 --> 00:18:33.450 too, like you were talking about last year, having 00:18:33.450 --> 00:18:35.730 brood clear up to Thanksgiving, well this year 00:18:35.730 --> 00:18:38.970 it may be Halloween. Beekeepers know this. Check 00:18:38.970 --> 00:18:41.470 and see where you're at. It makes total sense. 00:18:42.390 --> 00:18:45.230 And I just love this because I love anything 00:18:45.230 --> 00:18:48.670 that is not a harsh chemical going into my hive. 00:18:49.089 --> 00:18:51.009 You know, we're always worried about killing 00:18:51.009 --> 00:18:53.849 a bug on a bug. We've heard that term, right? 00:18:54.609 --> 00:18:57.509 Mitesides, most of them, they're hard on bees. 00:18:57.769 --> 00:19:01.769 Let's face it. And people even say, oh, I do 00:19:01.769 --> 00:19:05.789 OA vaporization. Doesn't hurt the bees at all. 00:19:06.069 --> 00:19:09.599 Okay. have to put on a gas mask safety goggles 00:19:09.599 --> 00:19:13.940 rubber gloves and be really careful don't tell 00:19:13.940 --> 00:19:17.720 me it doesn't bother the bees at all and I'm 00:19:17.720 --> 00:19:21.579 not saying you shouldn't use it but just be knowledgeable 00:19:21.579 --> 00:19:26.079 and realize all this stuff is is tough on them 00:19:26.079 --> 00:19:29.160 it's okay yeah well that's that's a great point 00:19:29.390 --> 00:19:31.509 And we have a lot of work showing that it doesn't 00:19:31.509 --> 00:19:34.230 set the bees back. We have evidence showing that 00:19:34.230 --> 00:19:37.390 it is, as much as you can say, harmless. It's 00:19:37.390 --> 00:19:39.829 really exciting. Like you said, no special PPE. 00:19:39.970 --> 00:19:41.589 You don't need to worry about a respirator. You 00:19:41.589 --> 00:19:43.369 don't need to worry about your health with it. 00:19:43.670 --> 00:19:46.029 And you're right. I don't tell people not to 00:19:46.029 --> 00:19:48.190 use the other miticides. We've done a lot of 00:19:48.190 --> 00:19:50.490 work with some of the companies that make other 00:19:50.490 --> 00:19:54.609 miticides collaborating. But it's a great tool 00:19:54.609 --> 00:19:57.829 that you can use and make life a little bit easier 00:19:57.829 --> 00:20:00.140 on you and your bees. Well, and I'm glad you 00:20:00.140 --> 00:20:02.480 mentioned that I can use both at the same time, 00:20:02.779 --> 00:20:06.039 like right after I pull my supers. If I need 00:20:06.039 --> 00:20:09.279 something to knock the mites down, I can do that 00:20:09.279 --> 00:20:12.579 and have Narroa in there at the same time. I'm 00:20:12.579 --> 00:20:14.480 gonna keep that in mind. I'm definitely gonna 00:20:14.480 --> 00:20:17.259 put it to good use this fall. Okay we're gonna 00:20:17.259 --> 00:20:20.220 have some fun now then. Okay. Because you are 00:20:20.220 --> 00:20:23.799 a beekeeper and you also spent a few years as 00:20:23.799 --> 00:20:25.960 a hive inspector. Was that like for a county 00:20:25.960 --> 00:20:28.940 or state or? It was for the state of North Dakota. 00:20:29.440 --> 00:20:33.019 Okay now I'm guessing in doing that you saw kinds 00:20:33.019 --> 00:20:35.920 of crazy stuff and one of the things that we 00:20:35.920 --> 00:20:37.859 have fun talking about with everybody that comes 00:20:37.859 --> 00:20:41.740 on the show is a wild and crazy beekeeping story 00:20:41.740 --> 00:20:44.259 that you've had. I'll bet you have a few. Let's 00:20:44.259 --> 00:20:46.940 hear some. There's two things that were scary. 00:20:46.940 --> 00:20:49.119 Being in North Dakota, we get colonies in from 00:20:49.119 --> 00:20:50.859 all over the country. I think this year we're 00:20:50.859 --> 00:20:53.779 expected to get close to 900 ,000 colonies in 00:20:53.779 --> 00:20:55.900 the state this summer, so commercial beekeepers 00:20:55.900 --> 00:20:58.579 are coming from all over. So running into Africanized 00:20:58.579 --> 00:21:01.019 hives, that was never fun, and you never knew 00:21:01.019 --> 00:21:03.200 it was going to happen until you were in it. 00:21:03.519 --> 00:21:05.779 Sometimes I'd pull up to a yard and the super's, 00:21:05.779 --> 00:21:09.339 I'm not a tall person, I'm 5 '7". and sometimes 00:21:09.339 --> 00:21:11.160 supers were stacked so high that I had to stand 00:21:11.160 --> 00:21:13.440 on my tailgate to get them off. Great for the 00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:16.059 beekeeper. I was complaining in my head because 00:21:16.059 --> 00:21:18.079 it was a lot of work for me, but I was very happy 00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:22.440 for them. Probably the one, the experience that 00:21:22.440 --> 00:21:24.240 kind of freaked me out the most and freaked me 00:21:24.240 --> 00:21:25.920 out because I was worried that I was doing something 00:21:25.920 --> 00:21:28.460 wrong. The last thing I ever wanted to do was 00:21:28.460 --> 00:21:31.539 harm someone else's hive, do something that was 00:21:31.539 --> 00:21:33.619 going to damage their business while I was an 00:21:33.619 --> 00:21:36.799 inspector. So I was doing an inspection. Things 00:21:36.799 --> 00:21:39.400 were going fine. finishing up the last colony. 00:21:39.960 --> 00:21:42.220 I took two steps away from it, and I looked down, 00:21:42.420 --> 00:21:46.160 and the queen was walking on my suit. She was 00:21:46.160 --> 00:21:48.720 walking across my stomach, and I just froze. 00:21:49.980 --> 00:21:52.599 And I was trying to figure out what to do. It 00:21:52.599 --> 00:21:54.880 was actually a holding yard, so there was a couple 00:21:54.880 --> 00:21:57.339 hundred colonies in there, bees everywhere going 00:21:57.339 --> 00:22:00.680 crazy. It was chaos. And so I walked back slowly, 00:22:00.759 --> 00:22:02.460 and right when I was about to grab her to try 00:22:02.460 --> 00:22:04.019 and put her back in and get her by the wings, 00:22:04.319 --> 00:22:08.609 she jumped off my suit into the grass. And I'm 00:22:08.609 --> 00:22:10.829 just freaking out like I took a lot of pride 00:22:10.829 --> 00:22:12.789 on not messing up people's queens and this one 00:22:12.789 --> 00:22:15.609 was gonna go queenless so I very gingerly got 00:22:15.609 --> 00:22:17.529 on my hands and knees and started combing through 00:22:17.529 --> 00:22:19.690 the grass and I was able to find her get her 00:22:19.690 --> 00:22:21.730 on my finger and then she walked back into the 00:22:21.730 --> 00:22:23.930 hive called the beekeeper let him know about 00:22:23.930 --> 00:22:25.730 it I marked the hive for them just in case there 00:22:25.730 --> 00:22:28.509 was any you know any questions about it but it 00:22:28.509 --> 00:22:30.089 was definitely one of those moments I go crap 00:22:30.089 --> 00:22:35.200 this is on me So and you probably don't keep 00:22:35.200 --> 00:22:38.500 an extra queen with you all the time. No. Yeah, 00:22:38.500 --> 00:22:41.519 I wish it was that simple just in case Yeah, 00:22:41.539 --> 00:22:43.339 it's on you, but it's not like you did something 00:22:43.339 --> 00:22:47.240 wrong Like you squished her inside the hive or 00:22:47.240 --> 00:22:50.980 something. Yeah Yeah, and I you know, I know 00:22:50.980 --> 00:22:53.519 that that happens sometimes and you don't even 00:22:53.519 --> 00:22:56.079 realize it But I don't know when you see it happening 00:22:56.079 --> 00:22:58.519 in real time. It's like oh shoot This is this 00:22:58.519 --> 00:23:02.380 is exactly what I'm trying not to do sure Okay, 00:23:02.460 --> 00:23:05.960 how about some really we're not naming any names. 00:23:06.359 --> 00:23:08.240 How about some really dumb mistakes? You saw 00:23:08.240 --> 00:23:11.000 people make I don't know if it's a mistake But 00:23:11.000 --> 00:23:13.700 I you'd be surprised how often you see equipment 00:23:13.700 --> 00:23:16.259 that doesn't like line up, right? So there's 00:23:16.259 --> 00:23:19.759 gaps rain and stuff can can get in to the point 00:23:19.759 --> 00:23:22.200 that you know that it's there's entire frames 00:23:22.200 --> 00:23:24.559 that are exposed That one always kind of blew 00:23:24.559 --> 00:23:28.059 my mind a little bit and I understand you you're 00:23:28.059 --> 00:23:30.019 working with the equipment you have at the time 00:23:30.019 --> 00:23:33.009 but how often I saw that was kind of surprising. 00:23:33.430 --> 00:23:35.450 And then nothing to the beekeeper. I don't know 00:23:35.450 --> 00:23:38.069 if this is a mistake, but we're very windy state. 00:23:38.190 --> 00:23:40.069 And so I'd see a lot of times I'd come in and 00:23:40.069 --> 00:23:42.890 a lid had been blown off and it's 20, 30 yards 00:23:42.890 --> 00:23:44.890 away and you have no idea how long they've just 00:23:44.890 --> 00:23:47.970 been exposed to the elements like that. But it 00:23:47.970 --> 00:23:50.609 saw a lot of things like that. How heavy of wind 00:23:50.609 --> 00:23:55.049 can bees fly in? I don't know the exact limit, 00:23:55.049 --> 00:23:59.250 but. I feel like when it gets much above 20 miles 00:23:59.250 --> 00:24:01.990 an hour you don't see a whole lot of activity. 00:24:02.349 --> 00:24:04.690 When it got a whole lot more than that I would 00:24:04.690 --> 00:24:06.930 be really cautious about where I was working 00:24:06.930 --> 00:24:09.509 bees because sometimes I wouldn't realize how 00:24:09.509 --> 00:24:11.690 windy it was till I opened a lid and I'd see 00:24:11.690 --> 00:24:13.609 all the bees that were on the bottom just blow 00:24:13.609 --> 00:24:16.789 away. It's like oh I should probably not be doing 00:24:16.789 --> 00:24:19.769 this right now. Well I sometimes worry about 00:24:19.769 --> 00:24:23.750 my bees when it's a nice beautiful day and so 00:24:23.750 --> 00:24:26.440 they're out. who knows how far away they may 00:24:26.440 --> 00:24:29.599 be a mile away and all of a sudden a thunderstorm 00:24:29.599 --> 00:24:33.500 rolls in and we get 50 mile an hour gusts and 00:24:33.500 --> 00:24:35.299 they're trying and i'm picturing them trying 00:24:35.299 --> 00:24:39.359 to fly home and there's no way and so what do 00:24:39.359 --> 00:24:41.700 they do just kind of hunker down until they can 00:24:41.700 --> 00:24:44.920 do it later yeah so you've been in a hive when 00:24:44.920 --> 00:24:46.960 the weather's not great and they're crabby you 00:24:46.960 --> 00:24:49.569 know the weather kind of sets them off they can 00:24:49.569 --> 00:24:52.369 feel that that high pressure low pressure system 00:24:52.369 --> 00:24:54.809 is changing so it's like they know that a storm 00:24:54.809 --> 00:24:56.589 is about to come in and they'll return to the 00:24:56.589 --> 00:24:59.150 hive before it really hits hopefully they the 00:24:59.150 --> 00:25:02.210 majority of them get in before before it gets 00:25:02.210 --> 00:25:04.490 bad depending on how far away they were everything 00:25:04.490 --> 00:25:07.210 like that i'm sure not all of them do but Once 00:25:07.210 --> 00:25:09.390 the weather gets bad, yeah, they just hunker 00:25:09.390 --> 00:25:11.829 down. They spend the day inside. A few scouts 00:25:11.829 --> 00:25:13.789 will go out and see what it's like and probably 00:25:13.789 --> 00:25:16.369 never return because they got blown to the next 00:25:16.369 --> 00:25:18.410 county. But yeah, for the most part, they just 00:25:18.410 --> 00:25:20.990 kind of spend the day hunkering down. And it 00:25:20.990 --> 00:25:23.849 is crazy how they get in a bad mood. when there's 00:25:23.849 --> 00:25:26.009 a storm coming or they're in the middle of some 00:25:26.009 --> 00:25:29.490 kind of a storm. New beekeepers I've worked with 00:25:29.490 --> 00:25:32.349 they're like I don't know what was going on they 00:25:32.349 --> 00:25:34.809 just the bees were so much hotter than usual 00:25:34.809 --> 00:25:37.650 I'm like well then leave them alone that day. 00:25:38.150 --> 00:25:40.130 You know commercial beekeeper may not have the 00:25:40.130 --> 00:25:43.569 choice but you do if they don't want you around 00:25:43.569 --> 00:25:46.289 that day they'll usually tell you and come back 00:25:46.289 --> 00:25:48.769 some other day. Yeah I'm a really big proponent 00:25:48.769 --> 00:25:51.990 of I say this a lot, let the bees tell you what 00:25:51.990 --> 00:25:54.130 to do. And sometimes they're just telling you 00:25:54.130 --> 00:25:56.769 to leave them alone. But I use that with mite 00:25:56.769 --> 00:25:59.630 treatments, with just how you manage your colonies. 00:26:00.190 --> 00:26:01.910 I don't like doing something just for the sake 00:26:01.910 --> 00:26:04.809 of doing it. So along with Naroa, we tell people 00:26:04.809 --> 00:26:06.950 to do mite washes so that you know if your mite 00:26:06.950 --> 00:26:09.369 levels are too high to use it. But even if you're 00:26:09.369 --> 00:26:11.869 not going to use Naroa, I really encourage people 00:26:11.869 --> 00:26:14.309 to do their regular mite washes so they know 00:26:14.309 --> 00:26:16.710 what's going on in their hive. And you may go 00:26:16.710 --> 00:26:19.329 in thinking, I need to do, I need to treat and 00:26:19.329 --> 00:26:22.190 then your mites levels are low, you're good and 00:26:22.190 --> 00:26:23.890 you don't need to worry about it. Your bees in 00:26:23.890 --> 00:26:25.890 that case are telling you that you don't need 00:26:25.890 --> 00:26:27.970 to do that mite treatment. And especially depending 00:26:27.970 --> 00:26:29.970 on what you use, you don't need to set them back. 00:26:30.390 --> 00:26:32.730 I've had some new beekeepers on Facebook from 00:26:32.730 --> 00:26:36.230 time to time reach out to me and say, well, fall 00:26:36.230 --> 00:26:39.349 is coming. What do I treat with? And my first 00:26:39.349 --> 00:26:43.349 question is where's your mite level at? Oh, it's 00:26:43.349 --> 00:26:49.130 not bad. So when do I treat and with what? Where's 00:26:49.130 --> 00:26:52.230 your might level? Oh, it's pretty good. So when 00:26:52.230 --> 00:26:55.509 do I treat and with what? I'm like, you're not 00:26:55.509 --> 00:26:58.410 hearing something. Maybe this is just me, but 00:26:58.410 --> 00:27:01.029 I'm like, if mites aren't a problem, I don't 00:27:01.029 --> 00:27:04.670 treat them. And I have other people say mites 00:27:04.670 --> 00:27:06.910 are always a problem, so I just always treat. 00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:10.259 And I don't want to sit and tell people what 00:27:10.259 --> 00:27:12.799 to do because everybody has to do what they feel 00:27:12.799 --> 00:27:16.380 is best for their bees. This is my personal feeling, 00:27:16.380 --> 00:27:19.500 you have your personal feeling. I hope we respect 00:27:19.500 --> 00:27:22.440 each other. Yeah, I agree with that. Like I said, 00:27:22.500 --> 00:27:25.200 I don't tell people how to manage their bees 00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:28.099 just like you don't. I like that approach, but 00:27:28.099 --> 00:27:32.079 I'm just a big fan of listening to the hive and 00:27:32.079 --> 00:27:34.680 letting it tell you what's going on and letting 00:27:34.680 --> 00:27:36.759 it kind of guide you that way. The bees know 00:27:36.759 --> 00:27:39.539 more than you ever will. Yeah, they've been doing 00:27:39.539 --> 00:27:42.720 it for a long time. Yep. And knowledge is power. 00:27:43.099 --> 00:27:45.880 So get to know the different mite treatments. 00:27:46.059 --> 00:27:49.680 Use the Honey Bee Health Coalition with their 00:27:49.680 --> 00:27:52.000 decision making tool. And it may have a better 00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:53.980 name than that that I can't think of off the 00:27:53.980 --> 00:27:58.240 top of my head. But it's free. Go use it. And 00:27:58.240 --> 00:28:00.599 it just asks you questions. It doesn't tell you 00:28:00.599 --> 00:28:03.940 what to do. It asks you. Where do you live? What's 00:28:03.940 --> 00:28:07.059 the weather like? Is your hive brooding up? Is 00:28:07.059 --> 00:28:10.039 it brooding down? Is your mite level high? Is 00:28:10.039 --> 00:28:13.480 it low? And then what is your personal tolerance 00:28:13.480 --> 00:28:17.680 for more harmful toxic kind of chemicals versus 00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:19.859 some of the acids and some of the other things? 00:28:20.220 --> 00:28:22.960 And then you can make decisions from that. So 00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:26.099 use those tools, talk to your mentors, and learn 00:28:26.099 --> 00:28:29.390 from everything you do. If something works, awesome. 00:28:29.769 --> 00:28:31.789 If something doesn't work, then we've learned 00:28:31.789 --> 00:28:34.029 something and it's not a total waste if we've 00:28:34.029 --> 00:28:36.970 learned from it. So Adam, any other bit of wisdom 00:28:36.970 --> 00:28:39.369 before I let you go? You know, I just like to 00:28:39.369 --> 00:28:41.710 tell people a little bit about what we're working 00:28:41.710 --> 00:28:44.329 on because it's really exciting. I said earlier 00:28:44.329 --> 00:28:46.930 that we get people talking about how expensive 00:28:46.930 --> 00:28:49.769 Narroa is, especially commercial beekeepers. 00:28:50.109 --> 00:28:52.410 because that's their business and they would 00:28:52.410 --> 00:28:54.970 have to spend a lot of money on it. So EPA right 00:28:54.970 --> 00:28:58.009 now is reviewing what we're calling bulk neuroa. 00:28:58.190 --> 00:29:01.109 So it's a formulation that commercial beekeepers 00:29:01.109 --> 00:29:04.029 will be able to deliver right into their feeders 00:29:04.029 --> 00:29:06.309 instead of the pouches. So that'll bring the 00:29:06.309 --> 00:29:09.430 cost down as well as removing, you know, if someone 00:29:09.430 --> 00:29:13.170 has 5 ,000 colonies, that's thousands and thousands 00:29:13.170 --> 00:29:15.750 of plastic pouches. So getting rid of all that 00:29:15.750 --> 00:29:17.890 extra plastic, which I don't think anyone's gonna 00:29:17.890 --> 00:29:20.019 complain about. So that's a really exciting thing 00:29:20.019 --> 00:29:21.920 that's on the horizon. Like I said, that's targeted 00:29:21.920 --> 00:29:24.759 more towards commercial and sideline beekeepers 00:29:24.759 --> 00:29:27.759 with the volume it's going to come in. And then 00:29:27.759 --> 00:29:29.880 just, yeah, we've got a lot going on that is 00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:32.140 focused on either making it even easier to use 00:29:32.140 --> 00:29:35.380 or bringing the cost down, usually both. Fantastic. 00:29:35.859 --> 00:29:38.480 Kick up the good work. We really appreciate it 00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:41.180 and we'll talk again soon. Awesome. Thank you 00:29:41.180 --> 00:29:46.670 for having me. Thanks again for joining us on 00:29:46.670 --> 00:29:49.950 Be Love, Be Keeping presented by Manlike. 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