WEBVTT 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:06.660 in a world brimming with complexity few creatures 00:00:06.660 --> 00:00:12.839 embody harmony like the honeybee with tireless 00:00:12.839 --> 00:00:17.699 precision she dances from bloom to bloom each 00:00:17.699 --> 00:00:22.420 motion guided by millennia upon millennia of 00:00:22.420 --> 00:00:28.800 instinct each act in service to the whole and 00:00:28.800 --> 00:00:34.560 then There are the beekeepers, watchful stewards 00:00:34.560 --> 00:00:40.500 of this ancient symbiosis. Part agriscientist, 00:00:40.840 --> 00:00:45.460 part poet, they move along their hives with the 00:00:45.460 --> 00:00:50.539 efficiency of mow, levy and curly, tending to 00:00:50.539 --> 00:00:54.219 the bees' needs as best they can comprehend, 00:00:54.859 --> 00:00:59.670 and with the infrequency of a waterfall in the 00:00:59.670 --> 00:01:05.590 Sahara, sometimes running off flapping and flailing 00:01:05.590 --> 00:01:12.150 like a penguin on a hot sidewalk. This is their 00:01:12.150 --> 00:01:24.120 journey. Welcome, welcome to Be Love Beekeeping 00:01:24.120 --> 00:01:26.739 presented by our great friends and partners in 00:01:26.739 --> 00:01:31.019 beekeeping, Man Lake. Today we have two famous 00:01:31.019 --> 00:01:33.719 guests joining us. They're not only excellent 00:01:33.719 --> 00:01:36.120 beekeepers but have also starred in Discovery 00:01:36.120 --> 00:01:40.260 Channel's Naked and Afraid TV show. We'll discuss 00:01:40.260 --> 00:01:44.719 their custom bee hut, their bees 100 % winter 00:01:44.719 --> 00:01:47.879 survival rate, and a whole ton more. But first, 00:01:48.060 --> 00:01:49.900 have you seen this new scientific study that 00:01:49.900 --> 00:01:53.180 gives us more insights into how queen bees are 00:01:53.180 --> 00:01:56.519 actually made? Nature Magazine and Science News 00:01:56.519 --> 00:01:59.959 report on a new study that shows a queen bee 00:01:59.959 --> 00:02:03.400 may be shaped by more than just its famous royal 00:02:03.400 --> 00:02:07.209 jelly diet. The wax of the peanut -shaped chamber 00:02:07.209 --> 00:02:09.930 where the queen develops does more than just 00:02:09.930 --> 00:02:13.310 look different. It has distinct physical and 00:02:13.310 --> 00:02:16.310 chemical properties that help steer its development. 00:02:16.770 --> 00:02:19.689 By analyzing the chamber's composition and the 00:02:19.689 --> 00:02:22.770 larvae it harbors, the research team challenges 00:02:22.770 --> 00:02:26.110 the long -held notion that royal jelly alone 00:02:26.110 --> 00:02:29.439 makes a queen. Boris Baer and his colleagues 00:02:29.439 --> 00:02:33.340 at UC Riverside studied honey bees comparing 00:02:33.340 --> 00:02:36.860 queen and worker cell wax, the workers that build 00:02:36.860 --> 00:02:40.780 the cells, and how larvae fare in each wax environment. 00:02:41.319 --> 00:02:44.599 The finding came as a surprise, Baer says. The 00:02:44.599 --> 00:02:47.840 royal nurses building royal cribs for the future 00:02:47.840 --> 00:02:51.599 queens spend longer than worker cell builders 00:02:51.599 --> 00:02:55.340 constructing these cells They run hotter than 00:02:55.340 --> 00:02:58.479 other bees and they show distinct patterns of 00:02:58.479 --> 00:03:01.599 gene activity, suggesting they are specially 00:03:01.599 --> 00:03:05.479 adapted to modify the wax they work with. The 00:03:05.479 --> 00:03:09.120 first clues came with the wax. Analysis showed 00:03:09.120 --> 00:03:13.460 that queen cell wax is softer, less dense, and 00:03:13.460 --> 00:03:17.729 chemically distinct from worker cell wax. Everything 00:03:17.729 --> 00:03:20.189 was supporting the same conclusion, Bear says. 00:03:20.770 --> 00:03:24.289 Bees do more than feed the queen, they actively 00:03:24.289 --> 00:03:27.939 engineer her. Personally, I have always wondered 00:03:27.939 --> 00:03:30.740 how colonies decide which bees will serve in 00:03:30.740 --> 00:03:33.719 different roles. Everything from nurse bees to 00:03:33.719 --> 00:03:38.180 undertakers to wax and propolis makers, guard 00:03:38.180 --> 00:03:41.819 bees, foragers, etc. According to Bayer, these 00:03:41.819 --> 00:03:45.219 super -organisms mobilize specialized workers 00:03:45.219 --> 00:03:47.979 that collectively shape the next generation. 00:03:48.599 --> 00:03:51.719 The division of labor in bees might be much more 00:03:51.719 --> 00:03:55.180 complex than we have acknowledged so far. Wow, 00:03:55.240 --> 00:03:58.539 another great example of the more you learn the 00:03:58.539 --> 00:04:01.580 more you realize you don't know Like I always 00:04:01.580 --> 00:04:10.759 say bees are simply amazing I'd like to welcome 00:04:10.759 --> 00:04:14.560 to the show today two very special and semi no 00:04:14.560 --> 00:04:18.740 more than semi famous guests Tara and Darren 00:04:18.740 --> 00:04:22.779 and that's Darren ray and Tara Scoob Ella. Did 00:04:22.779 --> 00:04:26.670 I do okay? Yeah Yeah, okay good in case you recognize 00:04:26.670 --> 00:04:30.110 these two but are not sure where to place them 00:04:30.110 --> 00:04:33.370 Imagine if they had dirt all over their faces 00:04:33.370 --> 00:04:35.910 and they look like they had lost a bunch of weight 00:04:35.910 --> 00:04:38.930 And then the camera was blurring out body parts. 00:04:39.009 --> 00:04:41.209 That's where you'd probably know them from right 00:04:41.209 --> 00:04:47.129 guys Yep, absolutely But I was never afraid never 00:04:47.129 --> 00:04:49.939 afraid Yeah, I don't get where that part of the 00:04:49.939 --> 00:04:52.160 title comes from and naked and afraid. The people 00:04:52.160 --> 00:04:55.019 never look afraid to me. They look cold. They 00:04:55.019 --> 00:04:57.160 actually got the title from the book of Genesis, 00:04:57.560 --> 00:05:00.480 the line, and they were naked and afraid. So 00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:04.519 it's a biblical show. Well, no, a producer was 00:05:04.519 --> 00:05:09.100 in a hotel on the toilet and the only thing to 00:05:09.100 --> 00:05:12.160 read was Gideon's Bible. And that's the page 00:05:12.160 --> 00:05:14.360 he opened it to and came up with the idea is 00:05:14.360 --> 00:05:17.480 the story I heard from one of the executive producers. 00:05:18.149 --> 00:05:20.970 Believe it. I believe it. We're gonna stick with 00:05:20.970 --> 00:05:24.029 that. Yeah, but today we're talking about beekeeping 00:05:24.029 --> 00:05:26.870 because both you guys are beekeepers I think 00:05:26.870 --> 00:05:30.170 let's just jump in first One of the things that 00:05:30.170 --> 00:05:32.829 interested me about what you guys do is your 00:05:32.829 --> 00:05:37.810 bee hut So who can explain that first of all 00:05:37.810 --> 00:05:40.029 and if you send me some pictures, we'll stick 00:05:40.029 --> 00:05:43.389 them up with the video version of this But tell 00:05:43.389 --> 00:05:46.029 me about the bee hut. It's called an apotherapy 00:05:46.029 --> 00:05:50.100 hut And bees communicate with pheromones, and 00:05:50.100 --> 00:05:52.680 so they're always releasing all these amazing 00:05:52.680 --> 00:05:56.980 pheromones. And they also vibrate at very certain 00:05:56.980 --> 00:05:59.959 frequencies that have been proven scientifically 00:05:59.959 --> 00:06:03.399 to be healing frequencies. And people a long 00:06:03.399 --> 00:06:07.399 time ago noticed that beekeepers would live longer 00:06:07.399 --> 00:06:10.439 in their respective communities than other people, 00:06:10.980 --> 00:06:13.899 and were healthier. I mean, this has been noticed 00:06:13.899 --> 00:06:16.579 for... hundreds if not thousands of years. I 00:06:16.579 --> 00:06:19.620 mean beekeeping goes way back. Egyptians kept 00:06:19.620 --> 00:06:22.160 bees, the Vikings kept bees, the Sumerians kept 00:06:22.160 --> 00:06:27.019 bees, Aztecs, the Mayans, the Incans, like cultures 00:06:27.019 --> 00:06:29.620 all around the world have been beekeepers. And 00:06:29.620 --> 00:06:33.000 this is something that's been noticed throughout 00:06:33.000 --> 00:06:38.439 history. And so that Hutt hones in on bringing 00:06:38.439 --> 00:06:41.779 the general public to be able to safely experience 00:06:41.779 --> 00:06:46.519 and Use those vibrations and pheromones for healing. 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:50.519 You're sitting on four beehives, but you're double 00:06:50.519 --> 00:06:52.560 screened so the bees can't get to you, but you 00:06:52.560 --> 00:06:56.139 still get all the noise and the vibrations and 00:06:56.139 --> 00:06:59.800 all the pheromones have leached in and at this 00:06:59.800 --> 00:07:02.160 point they've saturated the wood that I built 00:07:02.160 --> 00:07:05.720 the hut with. I used untreated aspen wood. It's 00:07:05.720 --> 00:07:10.439 very neutral and it would absorb all those pheromones 00:07:10.439 --> 00:07:13.759 and smells and then It's a kind of like a time 00:07:13.759 --> 00:07:16.480 release. Even in the winter when the bees aren't 00:07:16.480 --> 00:07:19.160 active, it's almost as potent as it is in the 00:07:19.160 --> 00:07:21.420 middle of the summer now. Well, and we don't 00:07:21.420 --> 00:07:23.540 very often talk about all those things you just 00:07:23.540 --> 00:07:26.980 mentioned, which is the vibration, the pheromones. 00:07:27.800 --> 00:07:32.339 And one thing that I noticed when I was at Epimondia 00:07:32.339 --> 00:07:35.040 last fall was there were a couple of companies 00:07:35.040 --> 00:07:39.519 selling gadgets, for lack of a better term, that 00:07:39.519 --> 00:07:42.540 help you breathe bee air. Tell us about bee error, 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:46.579 Tara. Sure. So the aromas of bees, you can use 00:07:46.579 --> 00:07:49.560 those gadgets, but we think, well, why not also 00:07:49.560 --> 00:07:52.639 have the benefits of the vibrations as well? 00:07:52.860 --> 00:07:55.740 So a more of immersion experience instead of 00:07:55.740 --> 00:08:01.319 just using a breathing apparatus. And so the 00:08:01.319 --> 00:08:04.120 aromas and the pheromones of the bees really 00:08:04.120 --> 00:08:08.069 help with lung supports too. So asthma. Here 00:08:08.069 --> 00:08:10.589 living in Colorado and in other places where 00:08:10.589 --> 00:08:12.990 there's a lot of wildland firefighters and the 00:08:12.990 --> 00:08:15.829 quality of the air, even if you live in a city, 00:08:15.990 --> 00:08:19.750 can really be compromising to the body. And so 00:08:19.750 --> 00:08:22.449 breathing with the bees really helps with the 00:08:22.449 --> 00:08:25.750 tissue repair of the lungs. So you have people 00:08:25.750 --> 00:08:28.829 come in from all over and do retreats or just 00:08:28.829 --> 00:08:31.089 spend time in the bee hut. What do they find 00:08:31.089 --> 00:08:33.470 about it? What do they tell you as their reactions? 00:08:33.740 --> 00:08:36.539 Yeah, so we've been keeping track of different 00:08:36.539 --> 00:08:40.220 feedback and success stories. One person last 00:08:40.220 --> 00:08:42.960 year who came to sit with the bees in a retreat 00:08:42.960 --> 00:08:46.639 came initially for a grieving and loss period 00:08:46.639 --> 00:08:50.220 of the death of her husband. And her friends 00:08:50.220 --> 00:08:53.259 in Europe said, well, here, if something traumatic 00:08:53.259 --> 00:08:55.860 happens in your life, you just go sit with the 00:08:55.860 --> 00:08:58.799 bees. And this is more Northern Europe and so 00:08:58.799 --> 00:09:01.980 she began to look and she found us not only did 00:09:01.980 --> 00:09:05.139 it help her with her grief and loss of her husband 00:09:05.139 --> 00:09:08.440 because the frequency of the bees also attuned 00:09:08.440 --> 00:09:12.379 to the heart space. Then she also found an unexpected 00:09:12.379 --> 00:09:17.240 benefit so she was experiencing chronic inflammation 00:09:17.240 --> 00:09:20.820 and pain for two years and woke up every single 00:09:20.820 --> 00:09:23.860 day in pain. And after she sat with the bees 00:09:23.860 --> 00:09:27.039 for that period, and then she came back again, 00:09:27.039 --> 00:09:29.860 um, and sat with the bees again, not as long, 00:09:29.899 --> 00:09:33.080 but I think for like a day, day and a half, then 00:09:33.080 --> 00:09:37.940 her, her pain subsided. And for, I think even 00:09:37.940 --> 00:09:40.940 still to this day, within a six month period, 00:09:40.960 --> 00:09:43.840 she only had one or two flare -ups. That's really 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:46.860 cool. Pretty awesome and amazing. Yeah. As people 00:09:46.860 --> 00:09:49.120 can tell from my voice, I've been under the weather 00:09:49.120 --> 00:09:52.320 the last few days, getting better now. And I'm 00:09:52.320 --> 00:09:55.299 thinking I'm going to lift a lid on a hive this 00:09:55.299 --> 00:09:57.360 afternoon. Just go stick my face in for about 00:09:57.360 --> 00:10:00.379 a half an hour and just breathe it. I'm glad 00:10:00.379 --> 00:10:02.759 you reminded me to do that. I had not done that 00:10:02.759 --> 00:10:06.919 yet. So, Darren, tell me about the be hive set 00:10:06.919 --> 00:10:11.299 up in the hut. The four main hives are on big 00:10:11.299 --> 00:10:14.580 heavy duty slide out drawers that you actually 00:10:14.580 --> 00:10:18.340 access from the exterior of the hive. And they're 00:10:18.340 --> 00:10:23.289 just your normal Langstroth. 10 frame hives then 00:10:23.289 --> 00:10:26.090 there's just doors that I keep screwed shut just 00:10:26.090 --> 00:10:29.129 so no one can access them but they lift up out 00:10:29.129 --> 00:10:31.929 of the way and then the hives slide out on big 00:10:31.929 --> 00:10:35.090 heavy -duty drawers just something I built I 00:10:35.090 --> 00:10:38.269 work construction and I'm a fabricator and so 00:10:38.269 --> 00:10:41.269 I just wanted to be easy to access to work with 00:10:41.269 --> 00:10:44.210 the bees and if I got a swap out components it's 00:10:44.159 --> 00:10:47.480 instant no specialty gear if something happens 00:10:47.480 --> 00:10:50.200 with one of the hives if a mold gets in it or 00:10:50.200 --> 00:10:53.919 a hive gets a disease I can very easily swap 00:10:53.919 --> 00:10:56.740 that out is kind of was the design to that but 00:10:56.740 --> 00:11:00.059 then we also have a observation wall hive in 00:11:00.059 --> 00:11:05.000 there that is a 36 frame six frames high six 00:11:05.000 --> 00:11:08.600 frames deep observation hive that's a four foot 00:11:08.600 --> 00:11:12.539 glass cased front that you also access from the 00:11:12.539 --> 00:11:15.500 outside you can lift a blanket up and observe 00:11:15.500 --> 00:11:19.559 all the bees coming and going and doing all their 00:11:19.559 --> 00:11:22.639 things through a glass too so you're not just 00:11:22.639 --> 00:11:25.179 you can see because we're visual people we need 00:11:25.179 --> 00:11:28.320 visual stimulus as well and so that was my reasoning 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:31.419 behind that was it kind of came from a science 00:11:31.419 --> 00:11:33.320 teacher when i was in seventh grade had one and 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:35.600 i got to see it and i've wanted one ever since 00:11:36.039 --> 00:11:38.659 And I've seen other bee huts and yours is the 00:11:38.659 --> 00:11:41.820 first one that's had an observation hive Inside 00:11:41.820 --> 00:11:44.679 I need to see more pictures of yours, but that's 00:11:44.679 --> 00:11:47.960 that totally makes sense You know using all your 00:11:47.960 --> 00:11:50.700 senses that way. Yeah, and it's just interesting. 00:11:50.860 --> 00:11:53.399 I mean even as a beekeeper You don't get to actually 00:11:53.399 --> 00:11:57.299 see them doing what they do Undisturbed because 00:11:57.299 --> 00:11:59.000 they're completely undisturbed when you're watching 00:11:59.000 --> 00:12:02.440 it's not like you've cracked the lid and Smoked 00:12:02.440 --> 00:12:05.090 them out or something. They're just Doing their 00:12:05.090 --> 00:12:08.490 thing normally and as a beekeeper, it's interesting 00:12:08.490 --> 00:12:11.029 for me just to watch them do that All right. 00:12:11.129 --> 00:12:12.909 Let's talk about some of the other things you 00:12:12.909 --> 00:12:17.429 do because You've taken this and turned it into 00:12:17.429 --> 00:12:20.529 a business in a bunch of different directions 00:12:20.529 --> 00:12:24.090 Tara give us a little more idea about your background 00:12:24.090 --> 00:12:28.029 and all the different things that you do I think 00:12:28.029 --> 00:12:34.559 I'll start in the recent 10 years Yeah, so about 00:12:34.559 --> 00:12:37.639 10 years ago with my background in wilderness 00:12:37.639 --> 00:12:40.340 therapy, even a little bit of social services 00:12:40.340 --> 00:12:44.019 and running a variety of nonprofits, Earth Tantra 00:12:44.019 --> 00:12:47.580 was born and that is actually a result of my 00:12:47.580 --> 00:12:50.659 naked and afraid experience. And so I became 00:12:50.659 --> 00:12:54.820 trained in Earth -based Tantra. breath work. 00:12:55.039 --> 00:12:58.039 I also have a death doula certification and integral 00:12:58.039 --> 00:13:01.080 relationship certification and yoga certification 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:03.679 and others. So I've done a lot of studying and 00:13:03.679 --> 00:13:06.620 like overall wellness and energy work. And so 00:13:06.620 --> 00:13:09.679 through that here at the farm, I offer group 00:13:09.679 --> 00:13:13.039 retreats and also private one -on -one retreats. 00:13:13.039 --> 00:13:16.200 And also the the bee retreat. So all the retreats 00:13:16.200 --> 00:13:18.639 I offer aren't necessarily focused on the bees, 00:13:18.840 --> 00:13:22.379 but we do offer bee -specific retreats. And I 00:13:22.379 --> 00:13:24.580 teach people breathwork and how to exchange not 00:13:24.580 --> 00:13:28.440 only just sit in the hut of breathing in naturally 00:13:28.440 --> 00:13:31.519 and maybe reading a book, but how to connect 00:13:31.519 --> 00:13:34.460 and become intimate with the essence of the bees 00:13:34.460 --> 00:13:37.440 through different breathwork and energy exchange 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:40.539 practices. What is the earth tantra that you 00:13:40.539 --> 00:13:44.889 mentioned? Yes, so Earth Tantra is the name of 00:13:44.889 --> 00:13:50.330 my business, established in 2016, so for 10 years. 00:13:51.629 --> 00:13:54.029 And kind of our tagline is, heal with nature 00:13:54.029 --> 00:13:56.909 and transform with Tantra. Sometimes when people 00:13:56.909 --> 00:13:59.210 hear the word Tantra, they think sex -based. 00:13:59.409 --> 00:14:02.350 That's not necessarily the case for Earth Tantra. 00:14:02.789 --> 00:14:05.850 It's energy exchange with nature, with the Earth. 00:14:06.059 --> 00:14:09.320 This morning, Darren, it took you a couple of 00:14:09.320 --> 00:14:11.399 minutes to get in because I was told you had 00:14:11.399 --> 00:14:14.700 to be emergency. What was that? Well, I wouldn't 00:14:14.700 --> 00:14:17.860 say an emergency. The wall hive, which is the 00:14:17.860 --> 00:14:21.120 only hive, I only get into it like twice a year. 00:14:21.799 --> 00:14:25.360 Just because it's screwed shut and it's complicated 00:14:25.360 --> 00:14:28.419 to get into. I do manage it and get in there. 00:14:29.350 --> 00:14:33.870 Do I put in oxalic mite strips and I still fully 00:14:33.870 --> 00:14:36.730 believe in treating for mites on all my hives? 00:14:37.110 --> 00:14:41.009 proactively not retroactively and So it was time 00:14:41.009 --> 00:14:42.870 to replace the mite strips in there anyways, 00:14:42.909 --> 00:14:46.149 but this morning they were Breeding outside of 00:14:46.149 --> 00:14:48.490 the hive, you know, like the whole entrance to 00:14:48.490 --> 00:14:50.909 the hive was covered in bees I just wanted to 00:14:50.909 --> 00:14:52.330 get in and make sure they weren't getting ready 00:14:52.330 --> 00:14:55.700 to swarm. I mean it's 36 frame hive There could 00:14:55.700 --> 00:14:59.139 be multiple laying queens in a wall cavity. You 00:14:59.139 --> 00:15:01.980 just never know. So I got in and I pulled out 00:15:01.980 --> 00:15:07.100 the bottom four rows of frames, and there was 00:15:07.100 --> 00:15:08.799 no queen cells. I just wanted to make sure because 00:15:08.799 --> 00:15:10.480 if there was queen cells then I would split the 00:15:10.480 --> 00:15:12.840 hive. It's not necessarily needs to be split 00:15:12.840 --> 00:15:15.620 right now, but I just wanted to make sure they 00:15:15.620 --> 00:15:18.580 weren't getting ready to swarm. Yeah. So. And 00:15:18.580 --> 00:15:20.899 you have other hives in addition to this, the 00:15:20.899 --> 00:15:24.820 ones in the bee hut, right? Yeah. 11 or 12 hives 00:15:24.820 --> 00:15:30.360 total. 13? Maybe 13. Depends on the day. That's 00:15:30.360 --> 00:15:33.559 typical for beekeepers. I try to keep 12 hives. 00:15:33.600 --> 00:15:36.000 I try to keep a dozen hives. Okay. How long have 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:38.419 you been doing it? First got into it about 17, 00:15:38.539 --> 00:15:42.159 18 years ago. And that was a short -lived like 00:15:42.159 --> 00:15:44.720 one -year experiment. I was a rock climbing guide 00:15:44.720 --> 00:15:46.559 and I just wasn't around to work with the bees. 00:15:47.279 --> 00:15:50.779 So that hive went away and then now I'm... slow 00:15:50.779 --> 00:15:53.320 down and got this property and so I got back 00:15:53.320 --> 00:15:55.600 into the bees. Tell us a little bit more about 00:15:55.600 --> 00:15:58.919 where you live because we all know beekeeping 00:15:58.919 --> 00:16:01.919 is all local and different environments need 00:16:01.919 --> 00:16:05.220 different things. So what elevation are you at? 00:16:05.320 --> 00:16:09.919 You mentioned Colorado. So we're I think 4 ,600 00:16:09.919 --> 00:16:13.879 feet here, 4 ,500 feet and we're in way western 00:16:13.879 --> 00:16:16.779 Colorado. basically have the same climate as 00:16:16.779 --> 00:16:19.480 Moab, Utah. Like we're on the edge of the desert. 00:16:19.559 --> 00:16:23.340 It is high arid, high desert here. But mountains 00:16:23.340 --> 00:16:27.080 close by so we can get crazy cold snaps on a 00:16:27.080 --> 00:16:31.980 whim. And we can have 75, 80 degree days in January 00:16:31.980 --> 00:16:35.299 sometimes. You know, days hitting the high 50s 00:16:35.299 --> 00:16:38.379 and 60s are normal in the middle of winter here. 00:16:39.000 --> 00:16:42.480 So a lot of people set up for winter and here 00:16:42.480 --> 00:16:45.340 we have summer and winter for Sometimes half 00:16:45.340 --> 00:16:48.600 the winter. And then our summers are two months 00:16:48.600 --> 00:16:51.299 straight of 100 degree days. And then a month 00:16:51.299 --> 00:16:53.720 on either side of that of 90 degree days. What 00:16:53.720 --> 00:16:56.600 have you found are some of the secrets to working 00:16:56.600 --> 00:16:59.659 within those parameters? Because the bees, they 00:16:59.659 --> 00:17:02.379 can get a little confused with that. In the winter, 00:17:02.580 --> 00:17:07.000 I feed externally, a ways away from my hives. 00:17:07.079 --> 00:17:10.210 Like I don't put out feeders near my hives. but 00:17:10.210 --> 00:17:12.069 I want the bees that are going out to look for 00:17:12.069 --> 00:17:16.230 something to be able to find water and food and 00:17:16.230 --> 00:17:19.430 on the active days I put up sugar water in bucket 00:17:19.430 --> 00:17:22.970 feeders and then I keep a heated water bowl out 00:17:22.970 --> 00:17:25.750 for the chickens anyways and I just have a board 00:17:25.750 --> 00:17:28.250 that floats on top of that water bowl and all 00:17:28.250 --> 00:17:30.109 the bees that need water in the winter go land 00:17:30.109 --> 00:17:31.910 on it they get their water and they go back to 00:17:31.910 --> 00:17:35.809 the hive and then I also do insulated condensing 00:17:35.809 --> 00:17:40.119 hives And since I started insulating the hives, 00:17:40.279 --> 00:17:42.480 got proactive with my mite treatments, I have 00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:45.440 yet to lose a hive. I've had 100 percent success 00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:47.519 right now, three winters in a row. We're going 00:17:47.519 --> 00:17:49.680 to have somebody on the show in the next couple 00:17:49.680 --> 00:17:52.599 of weeks talking about condensing hives. But 00:17:52.599 --> 00:17:55.440 give people just an overall view. What does that 00:17:55.440 --> 00:17:57.960 mean and in general, how does it work? So some 00:17:57.960 --> 00:18:01.500 people ventilate their hives to remove excess 00:18:01.500 --> 00:18:04.019 moisture because bees breathe and they're eating 00:18:04.019 --> 00:18:06.950 honey and they're releasing water vapor. through 00:18:06.950 --> 00:18:10.069 their natural processes and that water can either 00:18:10.069 --> 00:18:13.490 be ventilated out or you can design the hive 00:18:13.490 --> 00:18:16.609 so it condenses on the walls because if water 00:18:16.609 --> 00:18:19.789 condenses above the bees and drips on them then 00:18:19.789 --> 00:18:23.150 they will die. It's not warm enough to dry off 00:18:23.150 --> 00:18:27.690 and it kills them. So I give my hives an R40 00:18:27.690 --> 00:18:33.750 lid and R10 walls in the winter and I use HVAC 00:18:33.750 --> 00:18:37.500 foil tape to Seal that insulation up. It's hard 00:18:37.500 --> 00:18:40.420 foam insulation. 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Just doing some 00:19:45.380 --> 00:19:47.980 research and looking at some stuff But because 00:19:47.980 --> 00:19:51.019 of our wild temperature swings a cloud can roll 00:19:51.019 --> 00:19:52.480 in front of the Sun in the winter and it can 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:57.759 go from 60 to 15 degrees in minutes it's crazy 00:19:57.759 --> 00:20:00.900 how that happens here in the desert and I Didn't 00:20:00.900 --> 00:20:03.660 want my bees to be thermally shot. And so that 00:20:03.660 --> 00:20:06.859 insulation also gives them a tapered buffer zone 00:20:06.859 --> 00:20:09.759 They're retaining their heat. They're heating 00:20:09.759 --> 00:20:13.190 up slower and they're cooling down slower And 00:20:13.190 --> 00:20:15.369 it just protects the nucleus of the hive all 00:20:15.369 --> 00:20:18.450 winter long, in my opinion. I'm glad you mentioned 00:20:18.450 --> 00:20:21.630 the differences in R values. So for those that 00:20:21.630 --> 00:20:24.430 didn't catch that, that was in a really important 00:20:24.430 --> 00:20:29.430 point. That you have a much higher R value on 00:20:29.430 --> 00:20:33.009 the roof than you do on the walls. And can you 00:20:33.009 --> 00:20:36.759 explain the reason for that again? Nature. Bees 00:20:36.759 --> 00:20:39.980 in nature are looking for hollows and cavities 00:20:39.980 --> 00:20:45.599 and crevices to nest in and a hollowed out tree 00:20:45.599 --> 00:20:49.740 Could have infinite wood above it and only you 00:20:49.740 --> 00:20:52.000 know four or five inches of wood on the sides 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:56.420 So that top is gonna stay warm While the sides 00:20:56.420 --> 00:20:59.420 get cold and water vapor will condense on that 00:20:59.420 --> 00:21:02.140 cold surface which keeps the water Condensing 00:21:02.140 --> 00:21:05.220 to the outside of the hive and not above the 00:21:05.220 --> 00:21:09.220 hive same thing in as a rock climber former rock 00:21:09.220 --> 00:21:12.119 climber I found lots of wild bee colonies up 00:21:12.119 --> 00:21:15.079 in crevices and rocks You know on the cliff faces 00:21:15.079 --> 00:21:18.619 and they would always be back in a crevice But 00:21:18.619 --> 00:21:20.799 with a ledge and they'd be hanging off a solid 00:21:20.799 --> 00:21:23.720 rock and even the winter those hives would have 00:21:23.849 --> 00:21:27.490 open ventilating air around their sides but yet 00:21:27.490 --> 00:21:29.509 they still survived and I think it was because 00:21:29.509 --> 00:21:32.250 of that heat that they could build against that 00:21:32.250 --> 00:21:35.509 infinite insulated ceiling. That was just observations 00:21:35.509 --> 00:21:38.369 I made not as a beekeeper but just from being 00:21:38.369 --> 00:21:42.009 a naturalist. In that condensation here's my 00:21:42.009 --> 00:21:45.769 understanding and I'm not a thermodynamic professor 00:21:45.769 --> 00:21:48.190 or anything like that. My understanding is if 00:21:48.190 --> 00:21:50.970 you have the same R value all the way around 00:21:50.970 --> 00:21:54.970 and on the lid Then the condensation is most 00:21:54.970 --> 00:21:57.910 likely to happen up top and that's when we talk 00:21:57.910 --> 00:22:00.309 about it dropping down on the bees We do not 00:22:00.309 --> 00:22:04.049 want wet bees Condensation on the walls is a 00:22:04.049 --> 00:22:07.750 good thing it's not running down on top of the 00:22:07.750 --> 00:22:11.230 bees and They can go to that and drink that when 00:22:11.230 --> 00:22:13.970 they're all cooped up in the winter That's a 00:22:13.970 --> 00:22:16.809 special note for people in cold climates to think 00:22:16.809 --> 00:22:20.089 about where you have how much our value and one 00:22:20.089 --> 00:22:23.140 thing with the insulated hives My bees swarm 00:22:23.140 --> 00:22:26.920 sometimes a month earlier than other beekeepers 00:22:26.920 --> 00:22:29.640 in the area's hives. And I think it's because 00:22:29.640 --> 00:22:31.799 they're coming through the winter with such better 00:22:31.799 --> 00:22:34.240 numbers. They're having a higher survival rate 00:22:34.240 --> 00:22:35.640 and they're coming through the winter healthier. 00:22:36.180 --> 00:22:38.799 So it is a little more work as the beekeeper 00:22:38.799 --> 00:22:41.359 because you got to be ready earlier in the season. 00:22:41.380 --> 00:22:43.380 You can't go by the clues that other beekeepers 00:22:43.380 --> 00:22:46.660 in your area are talking about. You got to get 00:22:46.660 --> 00:22:49.160 in there and be proactive. It's making my bees 00:22:49.160 --> 00:22:51.569 survive that much better. i'm coming through 00:22:51.569 --> 00:22:54.009 with almost zero winter loss in some of my hives 00:22:54.009 --> 00:22:58.049 in the spring that's amazing and by the way you 00:22:58.049 --> 00:23:01.190 mentioned in such a casual way that in rock climbing 00:23:01.190 --> 00:23:04.569 some of the crevices had bees inside them i think 00:23:04.569 --> 00:23:07.289 that'd make for a very exciting day not in a 00:23:07.289 --> 00:23:10.789 good way oh i have jumped off of cliffs before 00:23:10.789 --> 00:23:14.730 because i have had bees blow out in my face like 00:23:14.730 --> 00:23:17.170 literally just you just let go or start down 00:23:17.170 --> 00:23:19.289 climbing and get to your last piece and set up 00:23:19.289 --> 00:23:22.089 an anchor and you just go down and call it a 00:23:22.089 --> 00:23:25.190 day. All right Tara we're not forgetting about 00:23:25.190 --> 00:23:29.170 you. Tell us more about apotherapy and what ways 00:23:29.170 --> 00:23:31.730 are you involved with it? I think I like to think 00:23:31.730 --> 00:23:35.190 of myself as more of the bee alchemist with the 00:23:35.190 --> 00:23:38.210 chemistry and working with the energy of the 00:23:38.210 --> 00:23:43.509 bees and Building a relationship with the bees, 00:23:43.910 --> 00:23:46.829 I think, is a really important aspect of not 00:23:46.829 --> 00:23:49.609 only for myself, but also teaching other people 00:23:49.609 --> 00:23:54.549 and befriending the bees, supporting people, 00:23:55.430 --> 00:23:59.910 helping people look toward nature and expanding 00:23:59.910 --> 00:24:04.069 their their wellnesses versus an object or a 00:24:04.069 --> 00:24:07.910 thing that you can buy from the store. Why not 00:24:07.910 --> 00:24:11.779 sit with nature? And when Darren mentioned the 00:24:11.779 --> 00:24:15.579 rocks, we can observe bees in nature, but why 00:24:15.579 --> 00:24:18.980 not sit in a place where you're protected, where 00:24:18.980 --> 00:24:22.529 you're safe? where you can build a relationship 00:24:22.529 --> 00:24:24.809 with the bees. Some people, and I've experienced 00:24:24.809 --> 00:24:27.509 this too, right? Each hive has its own frequency, 00:24:27.769 --> 00:24:31.789 its own smell, its own characteristics. Personality. 00:24:32.529 --> 00:24:35.210 Personality, exactly. And it's a really unique 00:24:35.210 --> 00:24:39.109 experience to be able to lay on a bed above these 00:24:39.109 --> 00:24:43.579 hives and connect with each hive. even down to 00:24:43.579 --> 00:24:47.660 like single individual bees, maybe that pulse 00:24:47.660 --> 00:24:50.180 and frequency of the hive if you're a very highly 00:24:50.180 --> 00:24:53.500 sensitive person and can tune into that. And 00:24:53.500 --> 00:24:56.380 then taking that energy and also bringing it 00:24:56.380 --> 00:24:59.920 within and feeling how the frequencies impact 00:24:59.920 --> 00:25:03.299 our body, even down to a cellular level. So there's 00:25:03.299 --> 00:25:07.799 many layers of bee medicine. Yeah, and the whole 00:25:07.799 --> 00:25:10.279 relationship thing we don't talk about in beekeeping. 00:25:10.960 --> 00:25:13.799 We talk about Varroa. We talk about all the nuts 00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:16.559 and bolts. Tell me more about your relationship 00:25:16.559 --> 00:25:20.460 with the bees. Darren or I or both. I don't care. 00:25:20.839 --> 00:25:24.640 Both of you. I think I'll start what I just shared, 00:25:24.640 --> 00:25:28.220 but also for me, it's a really personal relationship. 00:25:28.509 --> 00:25:31.029 Some of my ancestors are from the island of Crete, 00:25:31.230 --> 00:25:33.869 which is actually closer to Egypt, which Darren 00:25:33.869 --> 00:25:36.910 talked about beekeeping in Egypt, and a lot of 00:25:36.910 --> 00:25:40.329 knowledge was shared. And I really feel in my 00:25:40.329 --> 00:25:42.930 lineage on that side of the family at some point 00:25:42.930 --> 00:25:46.089 had a really special relationship with bees. 00:25:47.220 --> 00:25:50.680 And when I filmed the television show Naked and 00:25:50.680 --> 00:25:53.380 Afraid, before I started filming, the crew was 00:25:53.380 --> 00:25:56.099 attacked by killer bees. And it's one of the 00:25:56.099 --> 00:25:59.740 most dangerous situations today in the filming. 00:26:00.500 --> 00:26:04.019 So I feel my personal relationship with bees 00:26:04.019 --> 00:26:07.000 also stems from my past, whether it's past in 00:26:07.000 --> 00:26:10.359 this life and also my ancestors. And I even wear 00:26:10.359 --> 00:26:14.509 a... bee pendant, which is the symbol of the 00:26:14.509 --> 00:26:17.049 island of Crete in Greece. And it's two bees 00:26:17.049 --> 00:26:20.549 coming together with droplets coming down. And 00:26:20.549 --> 00:26:23.250 the original is solid gold. This is not. And 00:26:23.250 --> 00:26:26.450 so I wear this in honor of my ancestors every 00:26:26.450 --> 00:26:29.589 day now for over two years. How about you, Darren? 00:26:29.630 --> 00:26:32.009 Do you have a relationship to or you just pounded 00:26:32.009 --> 00:26:35.529 out beekeeper? I mean, I'm I'm a naturalist. 00:26:35.569 --> 00:26:39.289 I have been a nature nerd my entire life, like 00:26:39.369 --> 00:26:41.670 Easiest way to distract me was to have a new 00:26:41.670 --> 00:26:44.490 bug walk by And I just follow it and see what 00:26:44.490 --> 00:26:47.650 it did as a little kid like I was all I did catching 00:26:47.650 --> 00:26:52.289 snakes looking at bugs just seeing nature and 00:26:52.289 --> 00:26:54.109 that's one of the things with like naked and 00:26:54.109 --> 00:26:58.930 afraid is I study ecosystems and how they interact 00:26:58.930 --> 00:27:03.730 and All pollinators are such vital parts of our 00:27:03.730 --> 00:27:05.650 ecosystem. You know, I also have built a lot 00:27:05.650 --> 00:27:09.309 of property or a lot of habitat on our property 00:27:09.309 --> 00:27:13.910 for native bees and native pollinators, not just 00:27:13.910 --> 00:27:16.730 my honeybees. I plant flowers that honeybees 00:27:16.730 --> 00:27:19.109 don't even go to, but a lot of the native bees 00:27:19.109 --> 00:27:21.730 do. A lot of the native wild desert flowers, 00:27:22.369 --> 00:27:24.210 I collect seeds out in the desert and I bring 00:27:24.210 --> 00:27:26.890 them here and I get them growing in clusters 00:27:26.890 --> 00:27:30.670 for the native stuff. My relationship is kind 00:27:30.670 --> 00:27:33.130 of on that level with the bees. And then also 00:27:33.130 --> 00:27:35.049 I'm the one that does the physical work with 00:27:35.049 --> 00:27:36.950 the bees. I'm the one in the hives doing the 00:27:36.950 --> 00:27:39.029 work. You mentioned their personalities. You 00:27:39.029 --> 00:27:41.650 know, I've got a couple hives that I would get 00:27:41.650 --> 00:27:43.789 into without a suit on, no problem. And then 00:27:43.789 --> 00:27:46.950 I've got one hive in particular that I don't 00:27:46.950 --> 00:27:49.230 even feel safe in the suit with them sometimes. 00:27:49.990 --> 00:27:52.990 They're so prone to just exploding out in anger. 00:27:53.230 --> 00:27:57.180 And it's funny, but that hive is also my It produces 00:27:57.180 --> 00:27:59.299 twice as much honey as any other hive I have 00:27:59.299 --> 00:28:03.960 so I'm like Good and bad. I mean, they're just 00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:08.420 busy busy active bees I've heard that a lot and 00:28:08.420 --> 00:28:12.279 it seems like the common Thought pattern and 00:28:12.279 --> 00:28:14.440 beekeepers is if you have a hot hive you just 00:28:14.440 --> 00:28:17.460 go automatically requeen that thing But there 00:28:17.460 --> 00:28:19.920 are some benefits, you know in a year or two, 00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:22.960 they'll requeen themselves Yeah, that queen might 00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:26.170 get that aggressive trait might not I don't requeen 00:28:26.170 --> 00:28:29.490 unless I have to. I'm the same way. I just can't 00:28:29.490 --> 00:28:31.970 do it. But I'm not a commercial beekeeper. I 00:28:31.970 --> 00:28:34.250 understand why some people really need to. I 00:28:34.250 --> 00:28:38.650 mean, I requeen when a queen is nearing her end 00:28:38.650 --> 00:28:41.710 of cycle. If they're just not building population, 00:28:41.809 --> 00:28:46.130 then I will check for diseases. I do a mite wash. 00:28:46.849 --> 00:28:50.109 And if it's not anything that I can find, then 00:28:50.109 --> 00:28:52.769 I will figure it's a lane issue with the queen. 00:28:52.890 --> 00:28:54.980 And then I will requeen. Oh, I had a friend on 00:28:54.980 --> 00:28:57.619 the podcast last year that was talking about 00:28:57.619 --> 00:29:01.920 he was the same way. He's like I just can't squish 00:29:01.920 --> 00:29:06.420 queen And he's actually set up like this queen 00:29:06.420 --> 00:29:10.539 bee retirement home And he has figured out how 00:29:10.539 --> 00:29:14.779 to have a box with little separators And so that 00:29:14.779 --> 00:29:18.220 he can have multiple old queens live out their 00:29:18.220 --> 00:29:22.180 life And it's cute. I think it's good fun. That's 00:29:22.180 --> 00:29:24.650 great I give everybody that comes on the show 00:29:24.650 --> 00:29:28.470 an opportunity to tell their favorite or a couple 00:29:28.470 --> 00:29:31.609 of their favorite wild and crazy beekeeping stories. 00:29:32.029 --> 00:29:34.930 Either of you have one? So my introduction to 00:29:34.930 --> 00:29:39.029 beekeeping was catching a swarm in Palisade, 00:29:39.029 --> 00:29:42.650 Colorado and there's a church that has a giant 00:29:42.650 --> 00:29:46.869 wild hive in their bell tower and that hive is 00:29:46.869 --> 00:29:49.509 known to sometimes go into the church and sting 00:29:49.509 --> 00:29:53.450 people and swarm inside and it spit it's a big 00:29:53.450 --> 00:29:57.069 hive and it spits out lots of swarms and Someone 00:29:57.069 --> 00:29:59.130 called a friend of mine that had a couple hives 00:29:59.130 --> 00:30:00.869 and said hey there's a swarm in the tree in front 00:30:00.869 --> 00:30:03.769 of the church and We went there and it was way 00:30:03.769 --> 00:30:07.130 up in a tree and we parked my Toyota underneath 00:30:07.130 --> 00:30:11.730 that boards across the bed a stepladder on top 00:30:11.730 --> 00:30:15.720 of the boards and I'm up there with just a mask 00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:19.119 on, holding a box above my head while my friends 00:30:19.119 --> 00:30:21.759 in the truck with a stick trying to balance the 00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:25.200 ladder with one hand and shake the bees into 00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:28.039 the box for me with the other. While that's going 00:30:28.039 --> 00:30:31.380 on, these two boys, like 10 year olds, come riding 00:30:31.380 --> 00:30:33.160 up on their bikes and they're like, hey, what 00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:34.799 are you guys doing? And then one of the kids 00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:39.920 goes, bees! And he just booked it as fast as 00:30:39.920 --> 00:30:42.960 he could on his bike and his friend looked up 00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:46.359 and Let's add a word that his mom would have 00:30:46.359 --> 00:30:48.960 been happy about and follows his buddy as fast 00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:52.700 as he can and I got stung probably 15 times that 00:30:52.700 --> 00:30:55.539 day from that swarm and that was my first hive 00:30:55.539 --> 00:30:58.359 and to this day it was still the most aggressive 00:30:58.359 --> 00:31:02.039 hive I've ever had and I mean we don't have Africanized 00:31:02.039 --> 00:31:04.759 bees here, but you didn't go near that hive without 00:31:04.759 --> 00:31:09.519 a suit once I got it set it was explosive at 00:31:09.519 --> 00:31:13.700 all times And you risk your life to save that 00:31:13.700 --> 00:31:17.279 thing. Yep. So they they owe you. Tara, have 00:31:17.279 --> 00:31:20.900 you had any unusual experiences with bees? Maybe 00:31:20.900 --> 00:31:24.680 not unusual. I mean, catching my first swarms 00:31:24.680 --> 00:31:26.819 are always really exciting. You know, if you're 00:31:26.819 --> 00:31:28.960 doing it with your hands and the vibration and 00:31:28.960 --> 00:31:31.700 the air moving in between your eyes and the bees, 00:31:31.940 --> 00:31:35.599 that frequency is pretty intoxicating, I'll say. 00:31:35.960 --> 00:31:38.579 But maybe I'll share an indirect story while 00:31:38.579 --> 00:31:41.460 I was preparing to film Naked and Afraid and 00:31:41.460 --> 00:31:43.859 I was waiting for the start date. There was a 00:31:43.859 --> 00:31:46.160 really weird day that was all like hush hush 00:31:46.160 --> 00:31:49.680 and I was sequestered even more before we filmed 00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:53.660 all day and I wasn't told why. And then they 00:31:53.660 --> 00:31:56.559 finally let me out of this holding room and it 00:31:56.559 --> 00:31:59.329 looked like. something really bad had happened 00:31:59.329 --> 00:32:02.849 and there was like wet clothing all over the 00:32:02.849 --> 00:32:06.329 resort, cameras in gear, there was not a single 00:32:06.329 --> 00:32:10.250 person around. And it was this really eerie feeling 00:32:10.250 --> 00:32:13.190 as they walked me through this disaster zone 00:32:13.190 --> 00:32:16.869 to my room. It was real hush hush. And then later 00:32:16.869 --> 00:32:20.069 on that day, the producer came to me and told 00:32:20.069 --> 00:32:22.630 me that the production crew was attacked by the 00:32:22.630 --> 00:32:26.200 Africanized killer bees. And she asked me, do 00:32:26.200 --> 00:32:29.660 you want to stay and film because they're in 00:32:29.660 --> 00:32:32.920 the area or not? Because if you don't, that's 00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:34.819 fine. We'll fly you home and we'll find somebody 00:32:34.819 --> 00:32:38.000 else. And I made the choice to stay and to take 00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:41.759 the risk. Where were you? I was in Panama and 00:32:41.759 --> 00:32:45.019 an island called Isla San Jose. And a lot of 00:32:45.019 --> 00:32:51.380 Africanized bees in that area. Yes. Yeah. A local 00:32:51.380 --> 00:32:55.829 guide. hit a tree with a machete that activated 00:32:55.829 --> 00:33:00.710 a hive and attacked the production crew. It was 00:33:00.710 --> 00:33:04.609 a really serious attack as well. Yeah. Africanized 00:33:04.609 --> 00:33:08.369 bees in the Americas started in Brazil. They 00:33:08.369 --> 00:33:10.309 were trying to get bees that produced more honey 00:33:10.309 --> 00:33:12.990 and survived better. And so they crossed European 00:33:12.990 --> 00:33:16.210 bees with African bees. And it did not go over 00:33:16.210 --> 00:33:19.430 very well. And they have worked their way north. 00:33:20.150 --> 00:33:23.190 South from Brazil to cover all of South America 00:33:23.190 --> 00:33:25.349 and all the way up, you know into Arizona New 00:33:25.349 --> 00:33:29.250 Mexico and Texas now Yeah, California too. Oh, 00:33:29.250 --> 00:33:32.089 yeah. Yeah that kind of that whole swipe. They're 00:33:32.089 --> 00:33:35.269 making their way north I know there are a lot 00:33:35.269 --> 00:33:40.029 of African eyes colonies in Las Vegas So I guess 00:33:40.029 --> 00:33:43.549 they like to eat so they don't tolerate the freezes 00:33:43.549 --> 00:33:47.170 Like the European bees do but that could always 00:33:47.170 --> 00:33:51.250 change they seem to be The future of bees, honestly, 00:33:51.549 --> 00:33:53.750 just how they're going to probably reclaim themselves 00:33:53.750 --> 00:33:57.349 as wild bees instead of domesticated bees. Have 00:33:57.349 --> 00:34:00.990 you found that with your hot hive or hives that 00:34:00.990 --> 00:34:03.789 they do better with Varroa? I haven't noticed 00:34:03.789 --> 00:34:07.289 until I'm in honey flow every week. I do oxalic 00:34:07.289 --> 00:34:12.050 vapor and I use strips and I've just never let 00:34:12.050 --> 00:34:15.130 a colony get to a point. My mite washes show 00:34:15.130 --> 00:34:19.500 no bees, no mites. I have almost none. OK. I 00:34:19.500 --> 00:34:21.159 need to let you guys go, but you know what? We 00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:24.039 have a couple extra minutes. I'll bet people 00:34:24.039 --> 00:34:28.019 would love to hear a fun story or two about what 00:34:28.019 --> 00:34:30.559 it's like to be on Naked and Afraid. I'll let 00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:32.699 him talk because he's been on many times. And 00:34:32.699 --> 00:34:35.599 by the way, Tara's been on once. Darren, you've 00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:38.000 been on four times, right? Yeah, I've been on 00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:41.760 four times. I'm always ready to go again. I thoroughly 00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:45.019 enjoy it. It's immersions into ecosystems in 00:34:45.019 --> 00:34:48.000 a manner that you can't get in regular life. 00:34:48.320 --> 00:34:50.639 to go out there and just have your wits and a 00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:54.579 couple tools and have to survive. I just thoroughly 00:34:54.579 --> 00:34:59.519 enjoy it. It's a challenge, but it's fun. You 00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:03.039 don't remember easy parts of life. You remember 00:35:03.039 --> 00:35:07.900 the hard times and the struggles and moments 00:35:07.900 --> 00:35:10.420 in nature. You'll never forget that overlook 00:35:10.420 --> 00:35:13.400 from the top of a mountain and you see your rescue. 00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:16.380 You'll never forget that. Don't forget the TV 00:35:16.380 --> 00:35:19.940 show you watched yesterday. It looks so miserable. 00:35:21.079 --> 00:35:24.639 Like, it's just, how can I survive one more day 00:35:24.639 --> 00:35:27.559 kind of thing? And while I'm eating dirt and 00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:30.420 bugs. So I'm glad you brought up how much you 00:35:30.420 --> 00:35:32.539 love it. That's awesome. What do you like about 00:35:32.539 --> 00:35:35.219 it so much? Like I said, the immersion in nature. 00:35:35.800 --> 00:35:37.840 I'm also lucky. I'm always the person that gets 00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:39.619 bit the least by the bugs. They don't bother 00:35:39.619 --> 00:35:41.639 me nearly as much. I don't have the histamine 00:35:41.639 --> 00:35:44.440 reactions. I have a better cold tolerance than 00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:46.650 a lot of people. I usually sleep the farthest 00:35:46.650 --> 00:35:50.869 away from the fire in a group setting. That's 00:35:50.869 --> 00:35:53.110 just how I am. I don't even like to have a fire 00:35:53.110 --> 00:35:55.869 unless I have to most of the time. You're built 00:35:55.869 --> 00:35:58.489 for it. The struggles finding finding the food, 00:35:58.489 --> 00:36:01.469 you know, we're supposed to be hunter gatherers 00:36:01.469 --> 00:36:04.130 going out and having those opportunities and 00:36:04.130 --> 00:36:06.949 go to a big reserve in South Africa and be like, 00:36:06.949 --> 00:36:08.989 hey, can I go sleep in the dirt with the lions 00:36:08.989 --> 00:36:12.010 and they'll kick you off the property? I get 00:36:12.010 --> 00:36:14.590 to go do that. How many people can say they've 00:36:14.409 --> 00:36:18.289 Stood there with a spear that they made while 00:36:18.289 --> 00:36:21.590 two angry lions circled them roaring. I mean 00:36:21.590 --> 00:36:27.329 I Got paid to do that All right, you win. I'm 00:36:27.329 --> 00:36:31.949 the boring guy Anyway, that's really fun. Hey 00:36:31.949 --> 00:36:34.250 you two Thanks a lot for being on with me today 00:36:34.250 --> 00:36:36.869 and keep it up. Keep doing all the good you're 00:36:36.869 --> 00:36:39.389 doing out there. Cool Thank you. Thanks for having 00:36:39.389 --> 00:36:41.920 us All right. Thank you, Eric. Can I give a shout 00:36:41.920 --> 00:36:44.280 out really quick? I just want to send a sense 00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:47.619 of gratitude to Capella Ranch. They also have 00:36:47.619 --> 00:36:51.079 an apiary therapy hut in Boulder County and Colorado, 00:36:51.079 --> 00:36:55.199 and they helped us get started and inspired us 00:36:55.199 --> 00:36:58.179 for BZenHuts. And what's your website so people 00:36:58.179 --> 00:37:04.579 can find you? B -B -E -E -Zen -Z -E -N -Huts, 00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:10.920 H -U -T -S .com. BeZenHuts .com. Perfect. Thanks 00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:13.219 for sharing. And you can find us on Instagram. 00:37:14.179 --> 00:37:19.980 Yep. 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