WEBVTT 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:06.660 in a world brimming with complexity few creatures 00:00:06.660 --> 00:00:12.839 embody harmony like the honeybee with tireless 00:00:12.839 --> 00:00:17.699 precision she dances from bloom to bloom each 00:00:17.699 --> 00:00:22.420 motion guided by millennia upon millennia of 00:00:22.420 --> 00:00:28.800 instinct each act in service to the whole and 00:00:28.800 --> 00:00:34.560 then There are the beekeepers, watchful stewards 00:00:34.560 --> 00:00:40.500 of this ancient symbiosis. Part agriscientist, 00:00:40.840 --> 00:00:45.460 part poet, they move along their hives with the 00:00:45.460 --> 00:00:50.560 efficiency of mow, levy and curly, tending to 00:00:50.560 --> 00:00:54.219 the bees' needs as best they can comprehend, 00:00:54.859 --> 00:00:59.670 and with the infrequency of a waterfall in the 00:00:59.670 --> 00:01:05.590 Sahara, sometimes running off flapping and flailing 00:01:05.590 --> 00:01:12.150 like a penguin on a hot sidewalk. This is their 00:01:12.150 --> 00:01:23.769 journey. Welcome, welcome to Be Love, Be Keeping 00:01:23.769 --> 00:01:26.750 presented by our great friends over at Man Lake. 00:01:26.920 --> 00:01:29.540 By the way, if you haven't yet, please subscribe 00:01:29.540 --> 00:01:32.060 to and follow the show, tell your friends about 00:01:32.060 --> 00:01:35.000 it, and click on over to BeLoveBeekeeping .com 00:01:35.000 --> 00:01:38.439 to sign up for our free newsletter. Today's guest 00:01:38.439 --> 00:01:41.879 is a really fun and super knowledgeable beekeeper 00:01:41.879 --> 00:01:45.439 from Ohio. We'll be discussing a range of topics, 00:01:45.939 --> 00:01:49.219 everything from apotherapy, including a how -to 00:01:49.219 --> 00:01:53.200 on bee venom therapy, propolis, swarm removals, 00:01:53.760 --> 00:01:59.299 and drone races. drone races. I very much appreciate 00:01:59.299 --> 00:02:01.620 you putting up with my voice today. I promise 00:02:01.620 --> 00:02:04.519 you won't catch anything from listening. We could 00:02:04.519 --> 00:02:06.680 have waited a few days until it cleared up, but 00:02:06.680 --> 00:02:09.680 hey, we promised a new episode every Thursday 00:02:09.680 --> 00:02:13.099 and we deliver a new episode every Thursday. 00:02:13.599 --> 00:02:21.569 So here we go. I'd like to welcome, warm welcome 00:02:21.569 --> 00:02:24.530 to our very special guest today, Emily Mueller. 00:02:24.650 --> 00:02:27.370 How are you today, Emily? Good, thank you very 00:02:27.370 --> 00:02:29.990 much for having me. I really appreciate it. We 00:02:29.990 --> 00:02:34.750 have so much to talk about and so I'm gonna just... 00:02:34.560 --> 00:02:38.259 Forget all the pleasantries and talking about 00:02:38.259 --> 00:02:41.740 the weather and just jump into it and and we 00:02:41.740 --> 00:02:44.560 could start anywhere But I was interested that 00:02:44.560 --> 00:02:47.439 you do a lot of education things like in schools 00:02:47.439 --> 00:02:49.800 Can you tell us a little bit about that first 00:02:49.800 --> 00:02:53.099 off? Yeah, so my heart was with my you know with 00:02:53.099 --> 00:02:55.020 teaching young children because I feel like if 00:02:55.020 --> 00:02:58.039 you start with people with children especially 00:02:58.039 --> 00:03:00.620 at a young age then they'll grow up with less 00:03:00.620 --> 00:03:03.879 fear of certain insects and especially flying 00:03:03.879 --> 00:03:07.259 insects that sting and so kind of bringing honeybees 00:03:07.259 --> 00:03:10.120 to these school rooms and walking through the 00:03:10.120 --> 00:03:12.740 process and allowing them to see them up close 00:03:12.740 --> 00:03:15.580 and learn about how they only sting if they're 00:03:15.580 --> 00:03:18.639 threatened and the comparison of honeybees versus 00:03:18.639 --> 00:03:21.199 yellow jackets which are the ones that go after 00:03:21.199 --> 00:03:23.680 your pop or at the trash can at the fair. So 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:25.659 just kind of explaining all those differences 00:03:25.659 --> 00:03:29.080 to kids so that they are fully aware of it. One 00:03:29.080 --> 00:03:30.900 of my favorite things to do though is a drone 00:03:30.900 --> 00:03:33.479 race. Have you ever heard of a drone race? No, 00:03:33.560 --> 00:03:36.039 tell us about it. So what you do is you take, 00:03:36.379 --> 00:03:38.759 if you live within a two mile radius of the location 00:03:38.759 --> 00:03:40.780 that you're teaching at, so for my local school 00:03:40.780 --> 00:03:43.680 district, I can go to one of my hives and collect 00:03:43.680 --> 00:03:46.879 a handful of drones and I take them to the school. 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:49.680 I do the presentation and then I split the kids 00:03:49.680 --> 00:03:52.479 into groups and I allow them to pick a color 00:03:52.479 --> 00:03:55.599 from my queen marking pens. We mark one of the 00:03:55.599 --> 00:03:57.379 drones and then the teacher and the children 00:03:57.379 --> 00:04:00.400 go outside and I go home because I'm so close 00:04:00.400 --> 00:04:03.039 to the location and I text the teacher and I 00:04:03.039 --> 00:04:05.400 say release the drones and they release the drones 00:04:05.400 --> 00:04:08.060 and I video record the front of the hive and 00:04:08.060 --> 00:04:10.819 the first drone to make it back is the winner 00:04:10.819 --> 00:04:13.879 for the end of the program and they just automatically 00:04:13.879 --> 00:04:16.759 go straight back to the hive most of them do 00:04:16.759 --> 00:04:19.240 yeah you typically I didn't know drones were 00:04:19.240 --> 00:04:23.500 that smart yeah that's because they are out foraging 00:04:23.500 --> 00:04:25.300 so they know where you know what high they're 00:04:25.300 --> 00:04:27.379 coming from now they can't hop drunk and hop 00:04:27.379 --> 00:04:30.500 hives but for the most part they return Sure. 00:04:30.639 --> 00:04:33.160 Oh, I bet the kids love that. They do. Yeah, 00:04:33.160 --> 00:04:36.300 I love it. I love watching that happen. You know, 00:04:36.319 --> 00:04:38.139 just being amazed every time. Like, here they 00:04:38.139 --> 00:04:41.459 come, you know. If you're, say, a half a mile 00:04:41.459 --> 00:04:45.019 away, about how long does it take? Oh, minutes 00:04:45.019 --> 00:04:47.839 of that. Like, that's about how far I am from 00:04:47.839 --> 00:04:53.120 the local school is about a half mile. And they're 00:04:53.120 --> 00:04:55.639 there within five minutes at the most. I would 00:04:55.639 --> 00:04:58.079 say probably one to two minutes. They're back. 00:04:58.430 --> 00:05:00.509 That's what I would have guessed. Oh, that is 00:05:00.509 --> 00:05:04.009 so fun. Yeah. Well, you know, it takes the creativity 00:05:04.009 --> 00:05:06.490 to get the kids attention. So that's fantastic. 00:05:07.029 --> 00:05:09.329 Then are they just full of questions after that? 00:05:09.730 --> 00:05:13.149 It depends on the age. Older children, not so 00:05:13.149 --> 00:05:14.569 much. Maybe they'll ask a couple of questions. 00:05:14.790 --> 00:05:16.410 Younger children, they usually tell me about 00:05:16.410 --> 00:05:20.949 every time they've ever been stung. And so like 00:05:20.949 --> 00:05:23.329 I have a question. I was stung one time, you 00:05:23.329 --> 00:05:25.610 know, like that's not a question. Let's answer 00:05:25.610 --> 00:05:29.430 a question. One of my Oh, things that I'm just 00:05:29.430 --> 00:05:32.670 most interested in is everything apotherapy. 00:05:33.569 --> 00:05:36.589 And I know you do a little bit of it. Can you 00:05:36.589 --> 00:05:39.730 tell us what background you have what you do 00:05:39.730 --> 00:05:44.290 with it? Okay, so I am a certified master herbalist 00:05:44.290 --> 00:05:48.089 and in medicine and so I went to school for integrative 00:05:48.089 --> 00:05:51.129 health sciences I just completed my master's 00:05:51.129 --> 00:05:53.709 last semester and I just started my doctorate 00:05:53.709 --> 00:05:55.949 as well in the same field integrative health 00:05:55.949 --> 00:06:00.110 sciences and Prior to that I had done just a 00:06:00.110 --> 00:06:05.889 lot of self -taught education about herbs and 00:06:05.889 --> 00:06:08.769 bee products in general and I kind of because 00:06:08.769 --> 00:06:10.970 I teach I teach a lot of classes and I didn't 00:06:10.970 --> 00:06:13.610 want to offer the same basic classes that everybody 00:06:13.610 --> 00:06:17.149 is teaching and so I started to learn more about 00:06:17.149 --> 00:06:20.209 apotherapy especially you know how honey it can 00:06:20.209 --> 00:06:23.110 be healing how pollen can be healing and I tell 00:06:23.110 --> 00:06:25.470 people those things in the markets when I used 00:06:25.470 --> 00:06:28.389 to sell in the markets you know like oh vitamin 00:06:28.389 --> 00:06:30.889 B there's an excessive amount in pollen where 00:06:30.889 --> 00:06:32.879 it's meeting your nutritional needs and you know 00:06:32.879 --> 00:06:35.540 things like that just to kind of spread education 00:06:35.540 --> 00:06:37.459 and awareness about it. But then I realized I 00:06:37.459 --> 00:06:39.720 could actually teach a class. So I started teaching 00:06:39.720 --> 00:06:41.779 a class and a lot of people wanted to know more 00:06:41.779 --> 00:06:44.560 about bee venom. I have personally been stinging 00:06:44.560 --> 00:06:47.660 myself and my husband for probably close to 10 00:06:47.660 --> 00:06:51.000 years. He has scoliosis and I had symptoms of 00:06:51.000 --> 00:06:53.939 Lyme disease as well as just other issues. You 00:06:53.939 --> 00:06:55.720 know anything that hurts I'm willing to sting 00:06:55.720 --> 00:06:58.879 it. And so we have personally used it in our 00:06:58.879 --> 00:07:01.759 family for quite some time, but I started to 00:07:01.759 --> 00:07:04.560 expand into helping other people as well. So 00:07:04.560 --> 00:07:07.420 anybody that is willing to ask and to sign a 00:07:07.420 --> 00:07:10.300 waiver to come to my house, I'm willing to help 00:07:10.300 --> 00:07:13.399 them with bee venom therapy. But they're so, 00:07:13.579 --> 00:07:17.509 Propolis is amazing. I learned firsthand how 00:07:17.509 --> 00:07:21.050 healing propolis can be for oral issues. So cavities, 00:07:21.089 --> 00:07:22.889 there's a lot of research out there showing that 00:07:22.889 --> 00:07:26.509 it can help stop and reverse cavities because 00:07:26.509 --> 00:07:29.689 strep is the leading cause of cavities in the 00:07:29.689 --> 00:07:33.509 teeth and the antibacterial, antifungal, antimicrobial 00:07:33.509 --> 00:07:37.009 benefits of propolis actually stop and reverse 00:07:37.009 --> 00:07:39.350 the cavities that are being formed in the mouth. 00:07:39.589 --> 00:07:42.269 Now you can't repair the tooth if there is damage 00:07:42.269 --> 00:07:45.319 like holes in the teeth, but you can use propolis 00:07:45.319 --> 00:07:49.000 to stop teeth pain and bacteria and all sorts 00:07:49.000 --> 00:07:51.959 of amazing things in with dealing with mouth 00:07:51.959 --> 00:07:55.240 issues. Emily you might want to look up about 00:07:55.240 --> 00:07:58.939 six months ago I had Dr. Stefan Stangichu on 00:07:58.939 --> 00:08:02.639 and he's do you know who he is? I've heard of 00:08:02.639 --> 00:08:05.300 his name I haven't I've seen pictures of him 00:08:05.300 --> 00:08:07.620 but I haven't been able his name keeps coming 00:08:07.620 --> 00:08:10.300 up in my life so I know I got it. got to find 00:08:10.300 --> 00:08:13.180 him. A lot of people know him as the world's 00:08:13.180 --> 00:08:16.819 leading authority on everything apotherapy and 00:08:16.819 --> 00:08:19.300 I know you and I say it different and that's 00:08:19.300 --> 00:08:22.439 okay and he lives in Romania. He's a doctor over 00:08:22.439 --> 00:08:25.339 there and back in December in fact we made it 00:08:25.339 --> 00:08:29.560 a three part episode of everything apotherapy 00:08:29.560 --> 00:08:33.759 and it was absolutely fascinating and people 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:35.860 when they hear the term they often just think 00:08:35.860 --> 00:08:39.120 of bee stings or venom bee venom therapy and 00:08:39.120 --> 00:08:43.059 it's so much more to that in fact last fall for 00:08:43.059 --> 00:08:47.419 the first time we made some propolis tincture 00:08:47.419 --> 00:08:50.019 and you can tell i've got a little bug right 00:08:50.019 --> 00:08:54.570 now and i've been two or three times a day gargling 00:08:54.570 --> 00:08:58.309 with this propolis tincture and it's I'm not 00:08:58.309 --> 00:09:00.470 gonna say it tastes great it's kind of nasty 00:09:00.470 --> 00:09:04.070 but this this isn't turning into things that 00:09:04.070 --> 00:09:08.470 the people I got it from ended up with and and 00:09:08.470 --> 00:09:11.490 I thought that was pretty cool I also had a little 00:09:11.490 --> 00:09:13.970 sore in my mouth at the same time a little canker 00:09:13.970 --> 00:09:17.870 sore and didn't even think about it and it went 00:09:17.870 --> 00:09:20.519 away and it just happened to be while I was using 00:09:20.519 --> 00:09:23.720 this propolis tincture, so there's some amazing 00:09:23.720 --> 00:09:26.919 stuff there. It really is absolutely phenomenal 00:09:26.919 --> 00:09:29.980 and very healing to the body. And you can use 00:09:29.980 --> 00:09:32.940 it on cavities. You can use it on ulcers. You 00:09:32.940 --> 00:09:36.000 can use it. One of the research articles I cite 00:09:36.000 --> 00:09:38.399 in a presentation I give is on how it actually 00:09:38.399 --> 00:09:42.480 helps with HSV 1 and 2. So the herpes simplex 00:09:42.480 --> 00:09:45.659 virus, which can cause mouth cold sores and things 00:09:45.659 --> 00:09:48.299 like that. It's just it's really awesome stuff. 00:09:48.590 --> 00:09:50.529 Okay, I want to ask you a couple more things 00:09:50.529 --> 00:09:53.490 about bee venom therapy before we move on and 00:09:53.490 --> 00:09:57.009 I do want to preface this with obviously Lawyers 00:09:57.009 --> 00:09:59.710 out there. We're not giving medical advice It 00:09:59.710 --> 00:10:03.190 is always a good idea to have an EpiPen on hand 00:10:03.190 --> 00:10:05.970 if you're doing anything like this or frankly 00:10:05.970 --> 00:10:09.210 even if you're not because as a beekeeper you're 00:10:09.210 --> 00:10:12.970 more likely to get stung and If you're going 00:10:12.970 --> 00:10:16.809 to try something like bee sting therapy Work 00:10:16.809 --> 00:10:19.929 into it very very slowly. That's one of the things 00:10:19.929 --> 00:10:23.509 that dr. Stangich you talked about a lot is You 00:10:23.509 --> 00:10:27.190 start with a little bit See how you react a little 00:10:27.190 --> 00:10:29.990 bit more and a little bit more and work up to 00:10:29.990 --> 00:10:32.970 it to be very very careful with this So we don't 00:10:32.970 --> 00:10:35.389 want people to just go into a willy -nilly like 00:10:35.389 --> 00:10:38.669 oh I've got such -and -such and Emily and Eric 00:10:38.669 --> 00:10:41.269 said I should just sting myself ten times over 00:10:41.269 --> 00:10:44.269 here and No, let's be a lot more careful than 00:10:44.269 --> 00:10:47.610 that. Okay Now that the legal jargon's over, 00:10:48.129 --> 00:10:51.370 Emily, tell me how you got started with it. You 00:10:51.370 --> 00:10:53.870 mentioned about 10 years ago, and was it for 00:10:53.870 --> 00:10:57.779 your husband first? Actually... I've thought 00:10:57.779 --> 00:10:59.960 really hard about this and I can't remember what 00:10:59.960 --> 00:11:02.759 made me start thinking about it. I don't know 00:11:02.759 --> 00:11:05.559 if it was somebody I've heard because I was a 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:08.720 county inspector for a few years and I think 00:11:08.720 --> 00:11:11.519 just networking with beekeepers and them telling 00:11:11.519 --> 00:11:14.320 me oh you know like we my grandpa used to do 00:11:14.320 --> 00:11:16.980 it for his joints and arthritis and I think that's 00:11:16.980 --> 00:11:19.799 kind of where it started and then I broke my 00:11:19.799 --> 00:11:22.559 foot I was supposed to run a 5k so I thought 00:11:22.559 --> 00:11:25.159 hey I'm gonna sting my foot and see what happens 00:11:25.159 --> 00:11:28.440 and it healed very quickly, much faster than 00:11:28.440 --> 00:11:31.179 what I was, you know, they told me that it would. 00:11:31.419 --> 00:11:32.940 They even asked me, they were like, what did 00:11:32.940 --> 00:11:34.779 you do different? And I said, to be honest, I 00:11:34.779 --> 00:11:37.480 was stinging my foot. They think I'm crazy. Then 00:11:37.480 --> 00:11:39.860 my husband had a lot of back pain and I told 00:11:39.860 --> 00:11:42.019 him like, hey, if it's working for me, I think 00:11:42.019 --> 00:11:44.559 that this would also be beneficial for him. Now 00:11:44.559 --> 00:11:47.179 it's not going to do, you know, we're not reversing 00:11:47.179 --> 00:11:50.500 things like scoliosis, but he does find relief 00:11:50.500 --> 00:11:52.919 in his joints, especially through the back pain 00:11:52.919 --> 00:11:56.220 he has when I do venom treatment. on his back 00:11:56.220 --> 00:11:58.419 and especially his hips. His hips hurt pretty 00:11:58.419 --> 00:12:00.759 often and so we will just you know sting certain 00:12:00.759 --> 00:12:03.879 areas related to those. Like you said you know 00:12:03.879 --> 00:12:07.460 this wasn't a you just jump in and start doing 00:12:07.460 --> 00:12:09.879 multiple stings. There's a whole protocol there. 00:12:09.879 --> 00:12:12.580 It's a very slow process. You want to first make 00:12:12.580 --> 00:12:14.340 sure that you're not going to have a reaction 00:12:14.340 --> 00:12:17.419 but always know you can have a reaction later 00:12:17.419 --> 00:12:20.759 on even though you haven't had one prior. So 00:12:20.759 --> 00:12:23.860 it is a you know it's it's not just a willy -nilly 00:12:23.860 --> 00:12:25.730 kind of thing. really need to know what you're 00:12:25.730 --> 00:12:28.929 doing. Okay and how has it worked for you? I 00:12:28.929 --> 00:12:32.909 - Almost died actually a few years ago. I they 00:12:32.909 --> 00:12:35.149 still don't know what it caught what like what 00:12:35.149 --> 00:12:37.570 happened But my body broke out in these strange 00:12:37.570 --> 00:12:41.230 hives and I had a lot of nerve die -off in my 00:12:41.230 --> 00:12:44.309 right foot I was in excruciating pain. It was 00:12:44.309 --> 00:12:47.889 horrible. And then I got sepsis and like none 00:12:47.889 --> 00:12:50.450 of it made sense I'm a very holistic very natural 00:12:50.450 --> 00:12:53.649 person and so not like it was very hard for me 00:12:53.649 --> 00:12:56.049 I was trying all the natural things to like overcome 00:12:56.049 --> 00:12:59.220 it and then they I ended up in the ER Obviously 00:12:59.220 --> 00:13:01.960 and they tried all these different antibiotics 00:13:01.960 --> 00:13:04.659 to try to help they use some of the strongest 00:13:04.659 --> 00:13:06.500 is all I remember I couldn't tell you all of 00:13:06.500 --> 00:13:09.200 them except one of them was doxycycline and I 00:13:09.200 --> 00:13:11.700 did respond very well to doxycycline which is 00:13:11.700 --> 00:13:15.259 typically used for Lyme they did do a I think 00:13:15.259 --> 00:13:17.899 it's called a blot test to see if I would test 00:13:17.899 --> 00:13:21.100 positive for Lyme and at the time I was not I've 00:13:21.100 --> 00:13:24.059 never tested positive for Lyme However, that's 00:13:24.059 --> 00:13:26.820 kind of one of the things that you find when 00:13:26.820 --> 00:13:29.039 you do research is that you may never actually 00:13:29.039 --> 00:13:31.799 test positive on certain testing methods that 00:13:31.799 --> 00:13:34.879 they use. However, after two things that I noticed, 00:13:34.940 --> 00:13:37.000 now I went through this two different times a 00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:40.759 year apart and still have no idea why, but when 00:13:40.759 --> 00:13:44.159 these... symptoms arose, I was not being stung. 00:13:44.220 --> 00:13:46.740 I'm stung often because I used to do cutouts, 00:13:46.799 --> 00:13:48.940 so cutting bees out of houses. And then I'm just 00:13:48.940 --> 00:13:51.000 a very irresponsible beekeeper who doesn't always 00:13:51.000 --> 00:13:54.259 wear a suit. And so I'm stung pretty often. And 00:13:54.259 --> 00:13:56.360 these both timeframes that this happened to me 00:13:56.360 --> 00:13:59.179 were winter or very, very early spring prior 00:13:59.179 --> 00:14:01.399 to getting stung. I never have these symptoms 00:14:01.399 --> 00:14:04.940 during the summer when I'm stung regularly. And 00:14:04.940 --> 00:14:07.860 so I started learning more about how it can, 00:14:08.059 --> 00:14:12.740 there's a potential. ability for venom. in in 00:14:12.740 --> 00:14:16.759 vitro studies to break down bacteria. Well, Lyme 00:14:16.759 --> 00:14:21.100 disease is a bacteria and so it can cause cell 00:14:21.100 --> 00:14:24.220 lysis where it puts holes in the bacteria and 00:14:24.220 --> 00:14:27.299 causes the bacteria to collapse and so that is 00:14:27.299 --> 00:14:30.679 why I started stinging myself. I sting down my 00:14:30.679 --> 00:14:34.039 spine five times three days a week and it hasn't 00:14:34.039 --> 00:14:36.139 always been that steady but usually through the 00:14:36.139 --> 00:14:38.600 summer I try to keep up with it and I'm trying 00:14:38.600 --> 00:14:42.210 to find a way to have hides on my porch through 00:14:42.210 --> 00:14:44.610 the winter so that I can maintain those stains 00:14:44.610 --> 00:14:47.730 through the winter as well so that I can avoid 00:14:47.730 --> 00:14:50.789 any future issues like I had come across. But 00:14:50.789 --> 00:14:53.970 that's what I use it for is potential Lyme issues 00:14:53.970 --> 00:14:57.970 as well as weird joint pain that I have just 00:14:57.970 --> 00:15:00.389 threw out because after that sepsis issue and 00:15:00.389 --> 00:15:02.919 the nerve die off I had a lot of pain. And if 00:15:02.919 --> 00:15:05.820 you can't figure out your own bees for the winter, 00:15:06.399 --> 00:15:08.759 there are beekeepers out there that you can buy 00:15:08.759 --> 00:15:12.779 them from specifically for this, and they overnight 00:15:12.779 --> 00:15:15.460 them to you, and it works really well. Yeah, 00:15:15.559 --> 00:15:19.059 Trish Thompson, I think, from Pollen Peddlers. 00:15:19.200 --> 00:15:21.759 I just got to meet her recently. I talked to 00:15:21.759 --> 00:15:24.159 her for quite some time, but yes, she does ship. 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:26.919 She's in North Carolina, and so when the weather 00:15:26.919 --> 00:15:29.019 is okay for them to ship, they can ship them 00:15:29.019 --> 00:15:31.379 to you, and they are a great business. I'm sure 00:15:31.379 --> 00:15:33.100 there's probably others, but that's the one that 00:15:33.100 --> 00:15:36.080 I'm very well aware of. Yeah, there are a few 00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:39.460 others. I don't know all of them. I don't endorse 00:15:39.460 --> 00:15:42.019 one over another or anything like that. Just 00:15:42.019 --> 00:15:44.379 one more thing on this topic before we move on. 00:15:44.779 --> 00:15:47.480 If somebody wants to try this the first time, 00:15:47.700 --> 00:15:50.279 themself, as someone who has done quite a bit 00:15:50.279 --> 00:15:53.580 of this, I can tell you it is not an easy thing 00:15:53.580 --> 00:15:57.419 to sting yourself the very first time. It's like... 00:15:57.120 --> 00:16:00.720 It's like everything in your DNA is saying, do 00:16:00.720 --> 00:16:04.860 not do this. We are supposed to run from stinging 00:16:04.860 --> 00:16:08.720 things. And you take a bee with these little, 00:16:08.720 --> 00:16:11.279 what do you call the little tweezer thingers 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:14.519 you use? Reverse tweezers. Yeah. And you take 00:16:14.519 --> 00:16:17.159 these and, and you figure out how to catch a 00:16:17.159 --> 00:16:19.960 bee and you hold it with this and you decide 00:16:19.960 --> 00:16:23.639 where you need it. And doing that for the very 00:16:23.639 --> 00:16:27.120 first time is not easy. There just is a mental 00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:31.000 thing for most of us that I find fascinating. 00:16:31.179 --> 00:16:33.899 In myself, I'm like, why this shouldn't be so 00:16:33.899 --> 00:16:36.240 hard. I've been stung a million times, but doing 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:39.820 it to yourself is. Any advice? I would say that 00:16:39.820 --> 00:16:42.519 if I could go back and if I had to do, I mean, 00:16:42.620 --> 00:16:44.659 there's, there's opinions that we give for people 00:16:44.659 --> 00:16:47.480 who aren't beekeepers versus who are beekeepers. 00:16:48.059 --> 00:16:50.639 And, um, but the The biggest thing I would say 00:16:50.639 --> 00:16:52.960 is have somebody else sting you first so that 00:16:52.960 --> 00:16:54.960 you can kind of feel that pain and go through 00:16:54.960 --> 00:16:57.559 the process. I encourage people to ice it first 00:16:57.559 --> 00:17:00.519 because that does reduce the burning sensation 00:17:00.519 --> 00:17:03.240 that you typically get for a while. Quick break 00:17:03.240 --> 00:17:06.700 to discuss what just might be on your mind. Right 00:17:06.700 --> 00:17:10.059 now come on admit it. 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It will hurt if you use your 00:18:03.539 --> 00:18:05.920 appendages that they're being stung on like if 00:18:05.920 --> 00:18:08.099 you're using your feet you're gonna swell more 00:18:08.099 --> 00:18:09.900 you know so I always encourage people to do it 00:18:09.900 --> 00:18:12.200 in the evening and then put their feet up if 00:18:12.200 --> 00:18:14.140 they're doing their legs or or towards their 00:18:14.140 --> 00:18:18.259 feet area but as far as it really is it is hard 00:18:18.259 --> 00:18:20.720 to force yourself to sting yourself because you 00:18:20.720 --> 00:18:23.519 know that it's going to it isn't comfortable 00:18:23.519 --> 00:18:26.539 you know it it is a little bit painful I don't 00:18:26.539 --> 00:18:28.539 know, you get used to it, you really do. I had 00:18:28.539 --> 00:18:31.059 to do Lovenox injections when I was pregnant 00:18:31.059 --> 00:18:34.400 and it was very similar where I didn't want to 00:18:34.400 --> 00:18:37.259 do it and then nine months later I'm like, you 00:18:37.259 --> 00:18:40.079 know, I can hit my stomach anytime, no big deal. 00:18:40.259 --> 00:18:42.960 It just, it takes time and you are completely 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:46.119 normal even if you have bees and you've been 00:18:46.119 --> 00:18:48.039 getting stung and you're still nervous to do 00:18:48.039 --> 00:18:50.420 it. And how long do people need to leave the 00:18:50.420 --> 00:18:53.519 stinger in to get the full venom effect? That's 00:18:53.519 --> 00:18:55.640 one thing some people don't know. You don't just 00:18:55.640 --> 00:18:57.759 scrape the stinger out immediately like when 00:18:57.759 --> 00:19:00.240 you get stung out in the field. It's recommended 00:19:00.240 --> 00:19:03.559 15 minutes but I just kind of watch and see when 00:19:03.559 --> 00:19:06.740 it's done pulsating and once it's done pulsating 00:19:06.740 --> 00:19:09.099 I'm okay with pulling them out. I would say at 00:19:09.099 --> 00:19:12.400 least good seven to ten minutes you're pretty 00:19:12.400 --> 00:19:15.180 good you you have most of the dose at least and 00:19:15.180 --> 00:19:17.420 you can if you're trying to hurry along because 00:19:17.420 --> 00:19:19.880 I have people who are they have busy schedules 00:19:19.880 --> 00:19:21.740 and they're just stopping here as quick as they 00:19:21.740 --> 00:19:23.700 can because they're coming three days a week 00:19:23.700 --> 00:19:26.960 sometimes and so we will sting them and then 00:19:26.960 --> 00:19:29.200 I only have them hang out for about ten minutes 00:19:29.200 --> 00:19:31.559 and then we pull the stinger out I have a couple 00:19:31.559 --> 00:19:33.680 people who are beekeepers and they're comfortable 00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:35.779 with pulling the stingers out themselves so I 00:19:35.779 --> 00:19:37.859 just sting them in the area and then they get 00:19:37.859 --> 00:19:40.599 in their car and they leave And hopefully don't 00:19:40.599 --> 00:19:43.180 have a reaction. It's never a new patient and 00:19:43.180 --> 00:19:45.460 I wouldn't say patient. It's never a new client. 00:19:45.680 --> 00:19:47.980 It's never somebody that I haven't gone through 00:19:47.980 --> 00:19:50.380 the whole experience with them sat and watched 00:19:50.380 --> 00:19:55.119 them multiple times. Very smart. Back to propolis. 00:19:55.539 --> 00:19:58.259 I noticed on your website you have a propolis 00:19:58.259 --> 00:20:01.180 mineral paste. What is that and what does it 00:20:01.180 --> 00:20:05.380 do? I had a Let's see like the whole story. So 00:20:05.380 --> 00:20:07.740 I had to have a CT scan when I was pregnant because 00:20:07.740 --> 00:20:10.440 they thought I had a brain bleed and When I went 00:20:10.440 --> 00:20:12.240 through that it would have been the development 00:20:12.240 --> 00:20:15.200 time for my child I was pregnant with to have 00:20:15.200 --> 00:20:18.140 the teeth development happening Well, once he 00:20:18.140 --> 00:20:21.039 was born it was about I don't you know when the 00:20:21.039 --> 00:20:22.700 teeth they're coming in the front teeth I couldn't 00:20:22.700 --> 00:20:25.119 tell you right off the bat, but by 18 months 00:20:25.119 --> 00:20:28.619 He had some major issues with his forefront teeth 00:20:28.619 --> 00:20:31.500 and we couldn't figure out what the cause was 00:20:31.500 --> 00:20:34.750 and so they we believe it was likely exposure 00:20:34.750 --> 00:20:38.490 to that scan that caused issues for his just 00:20:38.490 --> 00:20:42.470 his baby teeth and so the dentist wanted to do 00:20:42.470 --> 00:20:45.410 surgery and they wanted to put him under to extract 00:20:45.410 --> 00:20:48.650 all four of those teeth and I did as much research 00:20:48.650 --> 00:20:50.930 as I could because as a mom with young children 00:20:50.930 --> 00:20:53.730 I didn't want to put him under and I found out 00:20:53.730 --> 00:20:56.589 that you can do something called remineralizing 00:20:56.589 --> 00:21:00.170 your teeth so you are putting different products 00:21:00.170 --> 00:21:04.509 most of them like a clay aloe, powder, different 00:21:04.509 --> 00:21:07.769 things created that will help with that process 00:21:07.769 --> 00:21:11.230 in addition to propolis has these benefits as 00:21:11.230 --> 00:21:14.289 well. And so it made sense to me to look up and 00:21:14.289 --> 00:21:16.690 research all of the ingredients that would be 00:21:16.690 --> 00:21:19.380 beneficial to remineralizing your teeth. and 00:21:19.380 --> 00:21:21.460 then add propolis to it. And so that's what I 00:21:21.460 --> 00:21:24.680 did. And we were actually able to buy about two 00:21:24.680 --> 00:21:27.039 and a half years. He was four and a half when 00:21:27.039 --> 00:21:29.500 we finally did do the surgery. So it didn't, 00:21:29.559 --> 00:21:31.180 you know, like I mentioned before, it doesn't 00:21:31.180 --> 00:21:34.759 repair the damage there, but it will slow bacteria 00:21:34.759 --> 00:21:38.579 growth and it will stop certain bacteria from 00:21:38.579 --> 00:21:41.000 forming and causing further decay to the teeth. 00:21:41.339 --> 00:21:43.400 I feel very blessed that that was something that 00:21:43.400 --> 00:21:45.579 happened for us. And a friend of mine reached 00:21:45.579 --> 00:21:48.059 out and said, Hey, my daughter has a cavity in 00:21:48.059 --> 00:21:50.720 her mole. And she you know, like we try to take 00:21:50.720 --> 00:21:53.299 her to the dentist and she lost her mind and 00:21:53.299 --> 00:21:56.380 so they Recommended putting her under do you 00:21:56.380 --> 00:21:58.720 have what was your experience? So I gave her 00:21:58.720 --> 00:22:02.259 some of it and the cavity disappeared after about 00:22:02.259 --> 00:22:05.380 six weeks like completely gone and They did not 00:22:05.380 --> 00:22:07.259 actually ever have to do anything further with 00:22:07.259 --> 00:22:09.200 the tooth I still see that little girl pretty 00:22:09.200 --> 00:22:12.019 often and she never had to have anything done 00:22:12.019 --> 00:22:14.660 to that tooth after that And so it kind of blew 00:22:14.660 --> 00:22:17.759 my mind to know that was a possibility and I 00:22:17.759 --> 00:22:20.380 started selling it online. I've sold over, I 00:22:20.380 --> 00:22:22.960 don't know, 6 ,000 jars of it at this point. 00:22:23.119 --> 00:22:26.680 I have a lot of repeat customers and a lot of 00:22:26.680 --> 00:22:29.039 people who reach out to me and say, hey, this 00:22:29.039 --> 00:22:31.359 stopped my tooth pain, this stopped this issue 00:22:31.359 --> 00:22:34.640 or that issue, or I was able to use it for X, 00:22:34.660 --> 00:22:37.640 Y, or Z. It's really awesome. The base is just 00:22:37.640 --> 00:22:40.039 bentonite clay and then it has aloe powder in 00:22:40.039 --> 00:22:43.000 it as well as propolis. I still see that little 00:22:43.000 --> 00:22:45.500 girl after her mom had used that and she's never 00:22:45.500 --> 00:22:47.900 ever had to have anything. done to that tooth 00:22:47.900 --> 00:22:51.180 further and she no longer has the cavity in the 00:22:51.180 --> 00:22:54.680 tooth. That is very cool. What is everybody else 00:22:54.680 --> 00:22:57.539 using it for? Like what would I buy it for? For 00:22:57.539 --> 00:23:00.400 oral health or something else? Some people use 00:23:00.400 --> 00:23:03.740 it just to apply like for brushing for sensitivity 00:23:03.740 --> 00:23:06.720 for gingivitis But most people are purchasing 00:23:06.720 --> 00:23:10.400 it for remineralizing teeth and then I market 00:23:10.400 --> 00:23:14.180 it towards children specifically because a lot 00:23:14.180 --> 00:23:17.339 of parents don't want to put their children under 00:23:17.339 --> 00:23:20.819 or Take a medical route unless absolutely necessary 00:23:20.819 --> 00:23:24.319 and so this is a way to kind of buy time Until 00:23:24.319 --> 00:23:27.279 they're a little bit older and can have something 00:23:27.279 --> 00:23:29.900 further done. I would never encourage a parent 00:23:29.900 --> 00:23:33.339 to only use this, still see the dentist, still 00:23:33.339 --> 00:23:35.880 ask their opinion, still have them watch it, 00:23:35.900 --> 00:23:38.680 still do x -rays because you can get an abscess 00:23:38.680 --> 00:23:40.700 still. That's always a possibility and that is 00:23:40.700 --> 00:23:42.599 actually what ended up happening with our son 00:23:42.599 --> 00:23:45.779 is that he started getting abscesses. So we were 00:23:45.779 --> 00:23:48.480 able to ward it off until it became unsafe and 00:23:48.480 --> 00:23:50.740 then once it becomes unsafe then you need to 00:23:50.740 --> 00:23:53.829 act further. All right. Let's jump away from 00:23:53.829 --> 00:23:56.470 medical for a minute. Let's talk about some of 00:23:56.470 --> 00:23:59.109 the other beekeeping things that you do. By the 00:23:59.109 --> 00:24:01.609 way, how many hives do you run? Right now I have 00:24:01.609 --> 00:24:04.950 probably close to 30. All at one place or do 00:24:04.950 --> 00:24:07.930 you spread them out? And I don't think I mentioned 00:24:07.930 --> 00:24:10.930 this up front. You're in Ohio, right, in the 00:24:10.930 --> 00:24:13.910 United States? Yes. Okay, so are these spread 00:24:13.910 --> 00:24:17.009 out over a few different locations? Do I have 00:24:17.009 --> 00:24:20.289 four different locations? My main hub is my home 00:24:20.289 --> 00:24:22.509 where I bring in all my swarms and then once 00:24:22.509 --> 00:24:25.329 I establish them as a healthy thriving colony 00:24:25.329 --> 00:24:28.349 I will move them to an out yard and that way 00:24:28.349 --> 00:24:31.890 if I ever bring anything in To my yard then only 00:24:31.890 --> 00:24:34.549 a minimal amount of them are exposed But yeah, 00:24:34.589 --> 00:24:37.569 and then this is also where I do I don't graft 00:24:37.569 --> 00:24:39.849 Queens, but I do produce Queens I do it naturally 00:24:39.849 --> 00:24:42.230 through the hive breaking them down and things 00:24:42.230 --> 00:24:44.529 and so this is where I mate the Queens are mated 00:24:44.529 --> 00:24:47.519 and then I move them to Can you give us a little 00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:50.849 more explanation on that? take us really step 00:24:50.849 --> 00:24:54.210 by step through that process. So to make my own 00:24:54.210 --> 00:24:56.809 queens, what I would usually do is I will wait 00:24:56.809 --> 00:24:59.329 for one of my strongest colonies to start showing 00:24:59.329 --> 00:25:02.750 signs of swarming behavior and developing cups. 00:25:02.890 --> 00:25:05.470 And once they have cups, or especially if they 00:25:05.470 --> 00:25:08.730 have eggs in them, then if it's a large colony, 00:25:08.750 --> 00:25:11.750 and I typically run four mediums for winter. 00:25:11.769 --> 00:25:14.950 I do not care for deep boxes. I use all eight 00:25:14.950 --> 00:25:17.230 frame medium equipment because everything is 00:25:17.230 --> 00:25:21.210 interchangeable. So I will take basically each 00:25:21.210 --> 00:25:24.390 box off as long as they all have eggs and brood. 00:25:24.450 --> 00:25:27.029 I will make sure that there is a queen cup or 00:25:27.029 --> 00:25:29.509 queen cell in each one and I will divide that 00:25:29.509 --> 00:25:32.970 large colony into four. In addition to that, 00:25:32.970 --> 00:25:35.609 I make sure that I have a frame feeder in there 00:25:35.609 --> 00:25:38.089 so that they have a lot of carbohydrates and 00:25:38.089 --> 00:25:40.930 then I will put a pollen patty in as well for 00:25:40.930 --> 00:25:44.049 protein because they cannot produce a good queen 00:25:44.049 --> 00:25:46.250 or a lot of royal jelly unless they have the 00:25:46.250 --> 00:25:48.769 protein from the pollen patty. The one additional 00:25:48.769 --> 00:25:52.869 thing is when I divide them, wherever I'm placing 00:25:52.869 --> 00:25:55.910 them, I don't leave one hive in the same location 00:25:55.910 --> 00:25:59.029 that it came from. I will typically move one 00:25:59.029 --> 00:26:01.750 at least a foot or two feet to the right. And 00:26:01.750 --> 00:26:03.990 then the new one I'll put two feet or whatever 00:26:03.990 --> 00:26:06.549 to the left. And that way when the foragers are 00:26:06.549 --> 00:26:09.470 returning, they are choosing a hive to go to 00:26:09.470 --> 00:26:12.150 instead of all the foragers returning to one. 00:26:12.460 --> 00:26:14.940 or I will take them to an out yard so that they're 00:26:14.940 --> 00:26:17.940 not, so that the population stays well because 00:26:17.940 --> 00:26:20.099 I want them to create a very good healthy queen. 00:26:20.660 --> 00:26:23.079 I love it. We're learning a lot today. Would 00:26:23.079 --> 00:26:25.000 you be willing to share with us some kind of 00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:27.680 wild and crazy beekeeping story you've had? So 00:26:27.680 --> 00:26:29.779 I've been thinking about this for a few days 00:26:29.779 --> 00:26:32.740 and I just am like oh I know so many wild crazy 00:26:32.740 --> 00:26:35.180 things have happened like um one time my husband 00:26:35.180 --> 00:26:38.859 was on the end of a 50 -foot ladder at the top 00:26:38.859 --> 00:26:42.740 of this very old historic building and he what 00:26:42.740 --> 00:26:45.700 we thought was just a swarm was actually a bee's 00:26:45.700 --> 00:26:48.680 building comb so then it turned into now he has 00:26:48.680 --> 00:26:50.980 to cut this comb off the outside of the building 00:26:50.980 --> 00:26:53.779 carry it down this really long ladder and on 00:26:53.779 --> 00:26:56.930 the way down the the queen was in it and like 00:26:56.930 --> 00:27:00.029 flies out and he's standing there and he can 00:27:00.029 --> 00:27:02.450 see the queen flying around he's like the queen 00:27:02.450 --> 00:27:05.190 is like out of the box and I climb up the ladder 00:27:05.190 --> 00:27:07.009 and I literally like snatched her in the air 00:27:07.009 --> 00:27:09.950 with my hand and I was like how did that even 00:27:09.950 --> 00:27:12.269 happen but then we put her in the bucket you 00:27:12.269 --> 00:27:14.309 know and she stayed in there with them but it 00:27:14.309 --> 00:27:17.210 was just the process of being cut from the wall 00:27:17.210 --> 00:27:19.849 that caused her to fly out other than that I 00:27:19.849 --> 00:27:24.690 mean I have bad stories like dropping hives on 00:27:24.690 --> 00:27:27.210 accident, trying to transport them, trying to 00:27:27.210 --> 00:27:30.750 look professional and definitely didn't. I think 00:27:30.750 --> 00:27:34.930 we've all done that kind of thing this morning 00:27:34.930 --> 00:27:37.910 for me. Yeah, luckily a bunch of people weren't 00:27:37.910 --> 00:27:41.420 watching, but. Mistakes definitely happen. Wow, 00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:44.160 I'm picturing that. That is a super tall ladder. 00:27:44.819 --> 00:27:49.200 Yes. And I'm impressed with your superhuman ability 00:27:49.200 --> 00:27:51.420 to catch a queen right out of the air. That is 00:27:51.420 --> 00:27:54.869 very impressive. And not squisher. Yeah, and 00:27:54.869 --> 00:27:57.750 that's the biggest thing. Oh, I mean, how about 00:27:57.750 --> 00:27:59.990 that whole thing of accidentally killing your 00:27:59.990 --> 00:28:02.509 favorite queens? I mean, I've done that, too. 00:28:03.069 --> 00:28:04.750 All right. Tell us a little bit more about the 00:28:04.750 --> 00:28:07.289 swarm removals that you do. Is this something 00:28:07.289 --> 00:28:09.910 that's part of your business or you're just rescuing 00:28:09.910 --> 00:28:14.369 bees or what's the story? So my business is called 00:28:14.369 --> 00:28:17.470 Mueller Honey Bee Rescue, and that was the whole. 00:28:17.609 --> 00:28:20.630 To be honest, I'm a mom. I'm a stay -at -home. 00:28:20.670 --> 00:28:23.130 Well, I was a stay -at -home mom and I homeschool 00:28:23.130 --> 00:28:26.829 my kids and so I couldn't budget -wise afford 00:28:26.829 --> 00:28:29.269 this very expensive hobby because beekeeping 00:28:29.269 --> 00:28:32.490 is not cheap, to be honest. And so I really wanted 00:28:32.490 --> 00:28:34.910 to be a beekeeper and I only had one empty hive 00:28:34.910 --> 00:28:37.430 and we caught a swarm first. That was the way 00:28:37.430 --> 00:28:40.849 we became beekeepers. And then I decided I wanted 00:28:40.849 --> 00:28:43.569 to grow. We found some equipment used at an auction. 00:28:43.849 --> 00:28:47.160 We brought that home to use. So I decided that 00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:49.740 I would start advertising free swarm removal 00:28:49.740 --> 00:28:52.960 which free swarm removal turned into cutouts 00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:55.200 because in the beginning I thought oh Well, we'll 00:28:55.200 --> 00:28:57.140 just cut these bees out of the wall and now we'll 00:28:57.140 --> 00:29:00.880 have free bees and that was quite the opposite 00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:04.819 It's a lot of work. We ended up going down to 00:29:04.819 --> 00:29:08.059 Mississippi and training under some really good 00:29:08.059 --> 00:29:10.059 well -known people I don't know if you're familiar 00:29:10.059 --> 00:29:13.779 with JP the bee man or yappy, but they both trained 00:29:13.779 --> 00:29:16.900 me and my husband on how to do cutouts and then 00:29:16.900 --> 00:29:20.140 we came back up to Ohio and we started you know 00:29:20.140 --> 00:29:24.390 zero experience other than Doing them down there 00:29:24.390 --> 00:29:26.490 with them. We came up here and we started a whole 00:29:26.490 --> 00:29:28.869 I started a whole business like oh, hey now I 00:29:28.869 --> 00:29:31.230 am a cutout professional. It's kind of what I 00:29:31.230 --> 00:29:33.809 thought we did Oh gosh, probably over a hundred 00:29:33.809 --> 00:29:37.049 cutouts over several years and it just once we 00:29:37.049 --> 00:29:40.089 had our last child I decided like it's too much 00:29:40.089 --> 00:29:43.269 to do but now yes, we do swarm removal or I do 00:29:43.269 --> 00:29:46.309 I am the the owner of the company and I do pretty 00:29:46.309 --> 00:29:48.289 much everything sometimes I drag kids with me, 00:29:48.650 --> 00:29:50.509 but they don't like to be in the car with stinging 00:29:50.509 --> 00:29:54.170 insects I go out like I was just at a swarm before 00:29:54.170 --> 00:29:57.490 this phone call I ran 30 minutes which I usually 00:29:57.490 --> 00:29:59.990 don't drive that far but I'm trying to get bees 00:29:59.990 --> 00:30:02.230 in my mother -in -law's hives which are technically 00:30:02.230 --> 00:30:05.230 mine so this swarm was near her house and I went 00:30:05.230 --> 00:30:07.950 to shake them in the box and when I did so they 00:30:07.950 --> 00:30:10.930 dispersed into the air and flew away and I was 00:30:10.930 --> 00:30:14.470 like wow what a waste of an hour of my life so 00:30:14.470 --> 00:30:18.519 that's part of the fun of it isn't it Yeah, I 00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:20.579 don't know about fun, but bees teach me. They 00:30:20.579 --> 00:30:23.119 teach me patience, they teach me appreciation, 00:30:23.440 --> 00:30:26.180 and I am thankful for at least those experiences. 00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:29.380 But that's super unusual. I mean, usually when 00:30:29.380 --> 00:30:32.059 you shake them from a branch, they just fall, 00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:34.759 as if they can't fly. A few will start flying, 00:30:34.940 --> 00:30:37.799 but in general, they fall down in your box or 00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:40.269 whatever you have for them to land in. Why do 00:30:40.269 --> 00:30:42.289 you think they just took off? Now, what happened 00:30:42.289 --> 00:30:45.430 was they actually arrived yesterday early evening 00:30:45.430 --> 00:30:48.410 and the people didn't call until today. And by 00:30:48.410 --> 00:30:51.430 the time I got to it, it was almost noon. And 00:30:51.430 --> 00:30:53.269 so it was warming up. And I think that they were 00:30:53.269 --> 00:30:56.430 ready to move on. They were about to. And I just 00:30:56.430 --> 00:30:58.690 helped them along a little bit sooner than what 00:30:58.690 --> 00:31:00.910 they anticipated. But yeah, they just they flew 00:31:00.910 --> 00:31:03.210 right off the branch and flew away. I've only 00:31:03.210 --> 00:31:05.730 ever had that happen one other time. Typically, 00:31:05.730 --> 00:31:08.089 it's a matter of when they fly away, it's because 00:31:08.089 --> 00:31:10.970 I'm not there in enough time, you know, I can't 00:31:10.970 --> 00:31:13.089 get there or by the time I get there, they fly 00:31:13.089 --> 00:31:16.230 away. It is very rare for them to fly away while 00:31:16.230 --> 00:31:19.309 I'm trying to collect them. Do you also use swarm 00:31:19.309 --> 00:31:23.269 traps? I don't so much. I'm I should. I really 00:31:23.269 --> 00:31:26.210 should. And I don't. But I have them. I have 00:31:26.210 --> 00:31:28.730 them sitting outside next to all of my other 00:31:28.730 --> 00:31:32.000 equipment. It's just that I have so much. so 00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:34.460 many other things going on I really wish that 00:31:34.460 --> 00:31:36.299 someone could just come take my swarm traps and 00:31:36.299 --> 00:31:39.079 hang them up for me and then I will go pull them 00:31:39.079 --> 00:31:41.779 down but time is of the essence for me I have 00:31:41.779 --> 00:31:45.140 four children and I'm just always always busy 00:31:45.140 --> 00:31:48.339 plus I'm doing full -time my doctorate and I 00:31:48.339 --> 00:31:50.619 have two part -time jobs plus run my company 00:31:50.619 --> 00:31:53.779 and help my husband with his company and uh so 00:31:53.779 --> 00:31:57.019 yeah I'm burning the candle at multiple ends 00:31:57.500 --> 00:32:00.140 Well, based on all of that, I really, really 00:32:00.140 --> 00:32:02.779 appreciate you taking the time today to meet 00:32:02.779 --> 00:32:04.519 with us because we've all been able to learn 00:32:04.519 --> 00:32:07.420 something from this. And just as a wrap up, is 00:32:07.420 --> 00:32:09.420 there any piece of advice that you'd like to 00:32:09.420 --> 00:32:14.539 share? Or just why does Emily love bees? Oh, 00:32:14.539 --> 00:32:17.789 man. Why do I love bees? Like I connect with 00:32:17.789 --> 00:32:19.730 them, like the crazy cat lady, I'm the crazy 00:32:19.730 --> 00:32:22.089 bee lady. Like I connect with them on a level 00:32:22.089 --> 00:32:25.029 that I cannot explain. Somebody was here yesterday 00:32:25.029 --> 00:32:27.829 and they were observing my hives and they said, 00:32:28.089 --> 00:32:30.809 do your hives recognize you? And I said, I don't 00:32:30.809 --> 00:32:32.950 think that they recognize me, but they can feel 00:32:32.950 --> 00:32:36.069 my energy and that I'm not afraid of them because 00:32:36.069 --> 00:32:38.130 I can, like we are standing there and all of 00:32:38.130 --> 00:32:40.250 a sudden a bee came up to the one lady's head 00:32:40.250 --> 00:32:43.529 and started circling her head. And I put my hand 00:32:43.529 --> 00:32:46.579 out and I told the bee, like I stopped, in its 00:32:46.579 --> 00:32:49.119 way like so that it had to like reroute and I 00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:51.960 said stop it and then like the bee just disappear 00:32:51.960 --> 00:32:54.440 and flew away and so you know like that kind 00:32:54.440 --> 00:32:56.420 of most people aren't willing to do that aren't 00:32:56.420 --> 00:32:59.480 willing to like risk getting stung to tell a 00:32:59.480 --> 00:33:02.579 bee to stop acting like that but like when I 00:33:02.579 --> 00:33:05.799 mow by them they don't irritate me I I talk to 00:33:05.799 --> 00:33:09.480 them which you know I'm Not bad words sometimes 00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:13.819 But I love bees. I love bees on a level. I never 00:33:13.819 --> 00:33:17.839 thought could even be possible and I just really 00:33:17.839 --> 00:33:20.960 appreciate what it can do for the central nervous 00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:24.140 system in particular helping center and calm 00:33:24.140 --> 00:33:26.940 people in general, but me myself I I grew up 00:33:26.940 --> 00:33:29.619 in a very traumatic way and I carried a lot of 00:33:29.619 --> 00:33:33.700 that into adulthood and Being able to get into 00:33:33.700 --> 00:33:36.420 bee hives puts you on this meditational state 00:33:36.420 --> 00:33:40.380 and this calming center that I never could obtain 00:33:40.380 --> 00:33:43.839 prior to beekeeping. And so it has changed my 00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:47.500 entire life and it just is a really truly amazing 00:33:47.500 --> 00:33:53.140 experience. Thanks again for joining us on Bee 00:33:53.140 --> 00:33:56.220 Love Beekeeping presented by Man Lake. 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