in a world brimming with complexity few creatures
embody harmony like the honeybee with tireless
precision she dances from bloom to bloom each
motion guided by millennia upon millennia of
instinct each act in service to the whole and
then There are the beekeepers, watchful stewards
of this ancient symbiosis. Part agriscientist,
part poet, they move along their hives with the
efficiency of mow, levy and curly, tending to
the bees' needs as best they can comprehend,
and with the infrequency of a waterfall in the
Sahara, sometimes running off flapping and flailing
like a penguin on a hot sidewalk. This is their
journey. Welcome welcome to Be Love Beekeeping
presented by our good friends and partners in
beekeeping, Man Lake. Our guest today is not
only one of the world's leading authorities on
honey bees He is super entertaining. National
Geographic Explorer, Dr. Sammy Ramsey is going
to be here with us. We'll discuss his role in
producing the new series, Secrets of the Bees,
how they got that amazing footage inside the
hive, and what it was like to work with James
Cameron. Plus I'll pick his brain on, Varroa
testing, Tropy mites, and of course his wild
and crazy beekeeping story. Hint, it involves
an emergency room visit. That's all coming up,
but first let's take two minutes to go inside
the hive, this feature presented by Primal Bee.
If you've ever cracked open a hive and found
everything glued together with sticky golden
brown gunk you've met, propolis beekeepers call
it bee glue because it makes inspections feel
like a wrestling match sometimes bees make propolis
by collecting resin from tree buds and bark they
mix it together with wax and enzymes they use
it to seal cracks smooth out rough surfaces and
shrink the entrance to something easier to defend
the interesting thing is that propolis kills
bacteria and fungi Bees coat the inside of their
nest with it, building what scientists call a
propolis envelope. The whole interior can get
covered with a layer of this natural disinfectant.
Research shows that colonies with heavier propolis
envelopes have lower disease loads. The bees
don't have to fight off infections as hard individually
because their living space is doing some of the
immune work for them. Wild colonies living inside
tree cavities tend to have way more propolis
than colonies in standard hives. The rough bark
in the inside of that tree cavity gives bees
something to coat as compared to smooth wooden
boxes that don't trigger as much of the same
response. So remember, next time you're scraping
propolis off your frames, you're looking at your
bees attempt to keep themselves healthy. I'd
like to welcome today our super very special
guest to the show. This is Dr. Samuel Ramsey.
Dr. Sammy, how are you today? I'm doing wonderfully
today. How are you? I'm fantastic. It is so good
to meet you finally. This whole thing has come
together because of Secrets of the Bees, now
streaming on Disney Plus and Hulu, by the way.
And it is fantastic. And I just wanted to talk
to you to see what it was like being involved
with it. So thanks again for coming on. Oh, I'm
delighted to get to come here and talk about
my favorite things. Bees and this documentary
that I've had the opportunity to get to be a
part of in so many different ways on it. I mentioned
it on the show last week, and this is before
you and I even had this interview set up, and
I mentioned that one of the really cool things
is, for beekeepers, is to be able to get a view
inside the hive and see things that most of us
have never seen. Could you tell us what some
of those things were and how they got some of
those shots? This is one of my favorite questions
to answer because I'm certain that it's precisely
what I would be thinking if I watched this documentary
and wasn't a part of making this documentary
because I've seen things before where my first
question was how did they get a shot like that
but this documentary I mean most documentaries
maybe I'll think that once or twice throughout
this documentary every time I saw a shot I thought
man if they didn't see the behind the scenes
of it the way that I did. They would have to
have no idea how we got into the colony in that
way and got that shot, how we were able to actually
see the the different mouth parts of the bee
going through the honey and parting it aside
and creating this meniscus so it can drink the
very viscous honey. Or like when the two bees
tongues are touching and they're exchanging fluid
between like there's just so much cool stuff.
I love this this very specific shot where we
set up a camera in front of a set of flowers
that only bumblebees are really capable of pollinating
effectively and these flowers through buzz pollination
the bees are able to grab on to the anther of
the flower the part that produces the pollen
but the flower really holds on tightly to the
pollen and so unless you vibrate it at the right
frequency it won't release the load of pollen
and so these bumblebees just jackhammer up against
the flower which was really cool but then when
the bee actually backed away from the flower
and released some of the nectar from its mouth
parts and then spread it past it while flying
between its legs all the way to its back legs
so they could squeeze it onto the pollen so the
pollen wouldn't blow away in flight that was
something that we weren't originally setting
out to capture when we did and man oh man did
their patience pay off from watching all these
flowers trying to get amazing shots of buzz pollination
to seeing something that's literally never been
caught on camera before and it was caught using
these very high -speed cameras With a videographer
very patiently waiting there adjusting focus
trying to get everything in frame And some of
it was a little magic and a little luck, but
it is one of the coolest visuals of the entire
documentary There's a bunch of them that are
really cool. But yeah, you have to work with
James Cameron. Yes, seriously You can drop his
name for the whole rest of your life now. I'm
looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to
it. It's one of those moments where I mean, I'm
a science communicator. I love talking about
science, but having the opportunity to break
into a world of science communication that's
very different from what I've done before was
really exciting. So getting to jump into being
a documentarian in some ways, but to have that
very first foray be with Disney Nat Geo and James
Cameron is just bonkers, and I understand that
it's bonkers, and I will not deny it even for
a moment. It's all downhill from here, I'm sorry
to tell you. I've been told that several times
now. From other people as rude as me. Okay, so
how were you involved with, like were you involved
in some of the scripting and consulting? Birdie
is the guy on camera, and he's doing the talking,
but I have a feeling you know a little bit more
about bees than he does. That's possible. As
a producer for Secrets of the Bees, I got to
be involved in so many different aspects of bringing
all this together because as a producer, you're
looking into the creative elements of this and
trying to figure out how do we make all of this
come together. And so for a documentary like
this, where there's so many moving parts, you
kind of end up with your hands on a little bit
of everything. Consulting, talking through the
different aspects of what's going on here. I
even ended up doing some of the vocals for the
documentary. It's been an absolutely wild ride,
start to finish. But when I say that getting
to do something like this, I mean, it's just,
it's truly been incredible. So a place where
they really wanted my help consistently was making
sure that everything that is said on screen.
Whether it's by birdie me anybody else that it
is entirely scientifically accurate. And so there's
a lot of Moving parts there because I have to
make sure okay, that's accurate But the way that
it said could be misconstrued this way. Maybe
we say it this way Maybe we frame it that way
so there was a lot of that going on and I probably
got on their nerves a bit because as a Scientist
I am constantly looking at this from angles that
literally no one else is going to interpret it
the way that I'm thinking of it and so there's
There's been a lot there, but they seem to really
appreciate that aspect of my skill set. But then
also getting a chance to even be a part of the
music. David Mitchum is an incredible composer,
and he wanted to pull me into some of the vocals.
And so you can hear my harmonies in the background,
my oohs and aahs and swells and runs here and
there. And it's really been quite exciting. And
finally, just getting to... talk through with
everyone what we can show on screen because as
a scientist I've seen a lot of amazing things
happen with bees in the lab but it's because
we've got incredible equipment and amazing microscopes
and There are things that I feel like other people
just don't get a chance to get to see. And I
really wanted the rest of the world to see bees
from the vantage points that I do. So getting
to talk to our incredible videographers like
Alastair McEwen, who unfortunately is no longer
with us, but finished out the documentary and
it is dedicated to him that, you know, this this
entire documentary experience because of how
much work he invested in it. It was their incredible
ideas to use things like in endoscopy cameras,
like literally the ones that, you know, if you
go to a gastroenterologist and they go up to
those endoscopy cameras. Is that what they put
in the hive to get some of those shots? And I
was also thinking you've got to have lights in
there too, which the endoscopy cameras probably
do. Oh yeah. Wow. So you were involved in the
music too. I'm going to have to go back and watch
it again now and listen for your woo -woo's in
the background. I made my parents do that too.
Give us 20 seconds of your credentials. PhD entomologist.
Keep going from there. PhD entomologist. I was
a visiting researcher in Thailand for... about
a year and a half, National Geographic Wayfinder,
as well as an NG33 fellow, which is really exciting.
They choose 33 visionaries that they feel like
are changing the world. I was also part of the
50 people changing the world through the Explorers
Club. And so it's just been a really exciting,
it's been a really exciting journey as a scientist
because... I've been running around for a long
time talking about insects, preaching the gospel
of bugs. I was literally seven when I told my
family that I wanted to be an entomologist when
I grew up. And a lot of that time I've been thought
of as a weird guy, you know, like, what are you
doing? And so it's been pretty exciting to see
people recognizing what I'm doing the way that
they are. What used to be something considered
odd or weird is now something that's being celebrated.
And it means so much to me. You're doing research,
you're teaching, you've got social media, you've
got the Nat Geo gig. You've been on CBS Morning
News, I just saw you on the cover of Beef Culture
Magazine, NPR, and you're a singer. Do you have
time to breathe? Do you have time to actually
get out and enjoy some bees yourself? I do have
time to breathe sometimes. but not as much of
it as I wish that I had. Oh my goodness. I've
spent so much of my time running around in different
countries, working with my students. That takes
up a lot of my time because I love the idea that
I get to mold the minds of researchers who are
going to be incredible in their own right at
understanding bees and changing the world themselves.
So it's been Quite the experience out here. I'm
working on all of these different things But
I have to take some time to myself or the world
will slow me down so yesterday I was out hiking
in less than efficient footwear and broke my
foot and so I am actually sitting up here doing
this podcast with my foot up in a cast and everything.
And my friends have been telling me that this
is the world's way of telling me to slow down
a bit because I'm doing way too much. And you're
in Boulder, Colorado, Boulder, Colorado, University
of Colorado, Boulder, hiking around those beautiful
mountains there. Gorgeous place. I did some of
that myself on our side of the mountains I'm
over on the Utah side of the mountains from you.
I did some of that just today and Thank goodness
didn't break anything as long as we've got a
PhD dude here. I want to learn some things from
you. Okay? Yeah, what's up? So you're overseas
studying things like tropal elaps And I I've
told some guests on the show. We don't even talk
about the t -word on this show, but as long as
you're here What are we gonna do with these tropy
mites? How are we gonna keep them from getting
here? And how are we gonna get rid of the suckers
once they do because I don't know that we keep
them gone forever You're asking a lot of good
questions a lot of good questions. It is my goal
and You know what let's put this on record is
my goal as the principal investigator of the
Boulder B Lab to make sure that I find a way
for us to effectively manage Varroa such that
it is no longer the looming threat that it has
been for so long. And my hope is that any system
that I develop here to manage Varroa can also
be ported over for management of tropemites because
they are the next wicked brood mite on the horizon.
And I'm very concerned about what they are capable
of doing. It is abundantly clear that we do not
understand them to the extent that we need to
understand them in order to effectively control
them. We just don't know nearly enough about
them. We are doing the same thing that we did
for Varroa. We waited for Varroa mites to arrive
in the U .S. before we started studying them.
And as a result, there were so many aspects of
the Varroa mite's life cycle and behavior that
we didn't understand, that we didn't have all
the details for because we didn't do the work.
Well, we're doing something similar with Tropy.
The vast majority of the research about tropemites
is occurring in a lot of different parts of the
world now, but there's just not a lot of controls
on how some of this research is coming out, some
of the things that are being said haven't been
verified, and it's just become a really confusing
space because there's a lot that's been printed
about tropy that doesn't seem to comport with
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the US. And one of the reasons for that is because
they don't seem to be able to survive in a temperate
environment. They don't seem to be able to deal
with the winter. Any period of time where the
bees are not producing brood, tropy mites are
supposed to be dead within 48 hours because they
can only feed on brood and they can't live longer
than that without a meal. Well... That left us
with the impression that they would never be
able to cross the ocean because we're not gonna
bring entire colonies across the ocean and so
we should be fine, right? Well, there's that
very strange happening last year where a boat
that was on its way from South Asia to the east
coast of the United States had a swarm of honeybees
on the mast of the ship, and in that swarm of
honeybees there were quite a few tropemites that
were alive almost two weeks after this ship had
set sail. no access to brood. And so their capacity
to either feed on adult bees or to somehow manage
their metabolism and slow it down in such a way
that they can travel long distances is something
that we were not ready for because some of the
information that's available to us is simply
inaccurate. And we have to do a better job of
making sure that we are involved in some of the
research that's going on so that we can better
understand these creatures and make sure that
we are managing the scientific integrity of some
of these questions being asked and these studies
being conducted. Help us be ready so that once
they hit we've got a plan in place. That is the
goal. I don't want to be caught like Australia
was when Varroa hit. For those that don't know,
and no offense I love our friends in Australia,
we have a lot of listeners down there, but there
was panic and burning hundreds of thousands of
hives and Hopefully we're going to be more better
prepared than that. But a minute ago, you also
mentioned being on top of Varroa. So give us
a few insights there. Okay, so Varroa mites are
weird, weird little parasites. They attach themselves
to the underside of bees and they liquefy a very
important organ, the fat body in the bees, which
is the bees liver. And if you think about the
wonderful things that your liver does for you,
it's really important that you continue to have
one. It detoxifies toxic things that get into
your body like alcohol, but tons of other toxic
things that get into your body. It's also an
important site of the synthesis of protein. in
your body that are important for making you you
because most of you is made of protein so the
liver is really important and when these mites
feed on bees they are unfortunately really dampening
the bees ability to deal with all kinds of stress
stress from toxic chemicals like pesticides stress
from just aging and their their ability to repair
the damage that happens to your body as you age
you need proteins for that Additionally, they
are a huge issue for the bee's immune system
because the proteins that protect the bees from
infection, the antimicrobial peptides, are made
by the fat body, by the bee's liver. And so when
these mites feed on the bees, there's this double
whammy of them knocking out so many of the systems
that are important for the bees, but also injecting
viruses into the bee's body. And even by feeding,
they allow for the entry of bacteria that isn't
directly vectored, but still a huge problem for
the bees. because their immune system has been
so severely dampened. And so you end up in a
context where the bees are just really sick as
a result of these mites. And then we have the
chemicals that they're exposed to in the environment,
which are now much more dangerous to them. And
then we have the viruses and everything else
that are a huge problem for them as well. So
these mites, they are the linchpin for so many
problems that our bees are dealing with. And
if we don't get a handle on the mites, I dare
say we are never truly going to get a handle
on maintaining good honeybee health. Amen to
all that. Okay. I get to ask you something controversial
now. Get ready. Okay. What's up? All right. Cause
lots of things in beekeeping are controversial
for some reason. One of the things I love about
beekeeping is the old, you know, the old joke
about ask 10 beekeepers. Yeah. Oh, I won't even
get into that. When I started beekeeping, I was
taught about the sugar roll test to test for
Varroa. And the last few years. All the really
smart people have been telling me, you have to
do an alcohol wash, it's much more accurate,
blah, blah, blah. Okay, and I'm watching Secrets
of the Bees, and what is Dr. Sadme doing? Sugar
roll, baby! Sugar roll, please explain. I will.
So, I understand that the sugar roll alcohol
wash back and forth has been contentious for
some time now, and I do not disagree that the
expert opinion is that the alcohol wash is more
accurate. That is true. But you don't always
need 100 % accuracy to know what you're working
with. And you always have to consider what are
you sacrificing to get that accuracy? So there
was another controversial opinion that came out
during the COVID -19 pandemic where there were
some researchers who were saying PCR is more
accurate. That doesn't mean you should use it.
PCR is so accurate that it can pick up on tiny
little bits of the virus after the virus itself
has been destroyed, little bits and pieces of
it that are still scattered around your body
that your biochemical cleanup crew is constantly
working on getting rid of. That stuff can then
trigger those PCR tests and leave you with the
impression that you still have an infectious
COVID -19 situation going on when you actually
don't. So the most Accurate isn't always the
thing that you need to go with if there's a drawback
that counteracts the importance of that accuracy.
For me, there is a drawback to the way that we
need to consistently gauge our honey bees' mite
loads, we do so much research on Varroa mites
that sometimes we're gauging their mite loads
like maybe even more than once per week and collecting
mites from these different colonies. And so an
alcohol wash would sacrifice 300 bees every time.
And we do not want to do that when our colonies
are growing. Sometimes we need to to be able
to conduct research on these bees put them back
into the colony covered in sugar and yes, they
are a little Jostled for the experience haven't
been shaken up and covered in particulate matter
but they get cleaned up and they survived the
experience and While there is some evidence that
you know, they're a little bit worse for the
wear They survived the experience and seemed
to be just fine and able to continue their work.
So if you are conducting infrequent alcohol washes,
you're probably not going to do anything to your
colony that's going to counteract the fact that
that's the most accurate way to do it. But the
thing is, the sugar shake is accurate enough
that not sacrificing those bees in the process
is one of the most important things for us as
we consider which one we're going to choose.
I am so glad to hear that because that's exactly
what I was thinking. And so many people disagree
with me. And I'm so glad to hear the doctor said
it. I'm going to say Dr. Sammy says, and he knows
a lot more than I do and a lot more than you
do. He's your friendly neighborhood entomologist.
Show me your PhD and then we'll, we'll talk.
But I figure if my test is off by 20 or 10 or
whatever percent. It doesn't matter because if
I'm doing 300 B's and even that is not exactly
accurate by the way. You know, I'm using a little
half a cup measuring cup and I've got 10 or more
mites in there. I know that's too many. I don't
care if it's 10, 11, 20, 30, or 13 and a half.
Exactly. But if I only see one, okay, I'm in
pretty good shape. Exactly and it's when you're
at the lowest threshold that you really want
to do a couple of sugar shakes to make sure that
you can then average in between. So we do three
if something is at a fairly low threshold and
we're trying to decide are we at two mites per
hundred B or three mites per hundred B because
three mites per hundred B is that treatment threshold
and when you're at lower numbers that's when
it matters the most. If you're starting to get
up there in high numbers anyway and you're already
at like five mites per hundred B in a sugar shake,
treat! honey treat like there's no reason to
be like oh let me do an alcohol wash because
it'll be more accurate you already know like
this is not a circumstance where you always need
to know the exact number you just need to know
if it's above or below a specific number a couple
other quick things i know your time is limited
today do you have any great advice for new beekeepers
oh my gosh yes i have some great advice for new
beekeepers so learn from people who have been
doing this longer than you have. So I'll use
my dad as an example. I love my dad so much.
He is one of the coolest beekeepers that I know.
He is also someone who, because he just doesn't
really like crowds very much, he doesn't like
to go to the beekeeping meetings. And the difficult
part there that he's recognized is that in a
lot of these meetings, they end up... telling
you things that are going on in their colonies
that can be so helpful for you in recognizing
what's going on in your own colony. If you know
people whose colonies are collapsing because
of Varroa, you really need to be paying attention
to your own. They live near you. And when those
colonies collapse, those bees are going to try
their absolute darndest to find another place
to live out their usefulness for the rest of
their lives. And unfortunately, they will take
with them sinister hitchhikers that could collapse
your colony. And if you're not paying attention
and you think, oh, I treated my col - a month
ago, there's no way it's above threshold. If
you're not paying attention to the fact that
other people's colonies around you were above
threshold and collapsed, and you've got might
immigration coming in that's causing problems,
then... You might miss it and a lot of problems
can happen as a result of that So I always tell
beekeepers when you're getting started and even
when you've been doing this for a long time The
advice and information that's provided by other
beekeepers is invaluable. It is a team Sport
and trying to go it alone will always be to your
detriment I also think that it is really, really
useful as a beekeeper for you to also consider
where you're getting your information from as
it pertains to, you know, new management practices
or treatment practices and so on, because not
all information is created equal. There's a lot
of weird. TikTok, Instagram, Facebook thrives
on moving information forward regardless of its
veracity. And so I have seen beekeepers that
one of the most egregious ones was beekeepers
who are replacing the cartridges from bed bug
foggers and roach foggers with. think it was
yeah oxalic acid yeah and it's not a good idea
that is not what that system is designed for
and can even result in some very flammable uh
situations where you're shooting fire into your
colony which will kill the mites. It will definitely
kill the mites, but the colony itself is also
not going to make it. So these are the kinds
of things where I like for people to recognize
the importance of working with other beekeepers.
But my mom always says in a multitude of counselors,
there's safety. in listening to a variety of
different people and understanding, okay, I'm
only hearing this from one person and I'm hearing
a lot of other people saying like, oh no, that's
a terrible idea. It might be worthwhile for me
to investigate this idea a bit more firmly before
I jump into trying this myself. And if I can
just add to that, most beekeepers are really
friendly and really want to help you. They're
not going, oh, there's a new beekeeper. I'm going
to give him some bad advice and he'll quit, you
know. No, most of them really want to help. Yes,
for sure. Last thing, my favorite part, I'm going
to ask you, Dr. Sammy, do you have a wild and
crazy beekeeping story you can share with us?
Oh my goodness, I don't even have to think about
that. I don't even have to think about that.
I definitely have a wild and crazy beekeeping
story for you. It's my go -to when I think about
the crazy things that can go on when you're beekeeping,
and you're new to it. When I was a new beekeeper,
I was starting in Dennis Van Ingelsdorp's lab
at the University of Maryland and... Everybody
in that lab was bigger than me. I am a slight
of frame human being and there were no extra
small bee suits So I was going around in the
shared bee suits of the lab all of which were
large And so yeah I'm wearing a large bee suit
and it kind of defeats the purpose when your
bee suit is basically a tent that's open at the
bottom and I felt this Tingle on my ear and some
of you will know that back in those days I had
pretty long hair and I was thinking all my hair
is just gotten to this length is probably just
my hair brushing up against my ear because that
was a part of getting used to having longer hair.
But then I felt something inside of my ear moving
and I kind of freaked out a bit and realized
there is a bee that has fully crawled into my
ear canal. This is not good. It was able to walk
right up my pants into my bee suit because it
was so large and just walk right up and into
my ear. And then I thought about it. And I thought,
you know what? This bee is never going to leave.
It's got everything it wants in there. It's got
wax. It's about the same size as a cell. And
it's dark in there. It's probably really enjoying
this dark, warm, waxy space. And so I could feel
it moving around inside of my head, just feng
shui in my earwax. Every time it moved, I could
hear it inside. I didn't like that. I didn't
like that at all. I tried to flush it out with
water at a water fountain. Don't do that, everybody.
If ever this happens to you, the water will make
it go farther inside. to get away from the water.
That didn't work. Smoke, exact same situation.
The smoker did not help. So I went to the hospital.
I had an undergraduate drive me to the hospital.
And at the hospital, the people were not taking
me seriously when I said, I have a bee inside
of my head. They're like, yeah, no, no, no, listen
to me. I have a bee. inside of my head and I
need it to not be inside of my head." They, you
know, saw me flailing around with my hive tool
and such and were like, oh no, this is probably
real. So they take me back and this doctor says,
don't worry, I can see it. She's showing a light
in my ear. I've got some forceps, I'm gonna grab
it. And I very forcefully said, you will not
do that. you will definitely not do that they
have a sting reflex if you grab it by its leg
it's going to avert that stinger i am a vocalist
i do not want um perforation of my eardrums do
not grab it and she says okay well then what
do you want me to do do you have those bulbs
that you use to like get stuff out of a baby's
ear If you could get that and fill it with some
kind of oil, mineral oil, any kind of oil and
then squirt that into my ear, maybe we can slide
the bee out. And lo and behold, she was able
to squirt some mineral oil into my ear. The bee
slid right out after like two squirts and it
had deformed wing virus and looked like a really
sad little bee and it lived out the rest of its
life on my desk. And I named her Beyonce. That
is awesome. That is awesome. I'm not sure what
we should learn from that, whether it keeps them
in the... Wear bee suits that fit. I actually
like them a little bit big. You're less likely
to get stung through your arms and stuff, but
it's the opening at the bottom that was the problem
for you. That's the problem. If you're going
to wear a big bee suit, then wear a belt, cinch
that sucker, but don't just leave it open at
the bottom. Well, you don't want them climbing
up your pant leg either. No. That would be a
more embarrassing emergency. room visit so no
but seriously you can just someone could just
take mineral oil and like pour a little in their
ear and that would probably do it yeah you want
to use a little force with it you want that bulb
that can squeeze the mineral oil in because you
got to flush the bee out but yeah it works great
because they can't maintain adequate purchase
to keep walking around they kind of slide and
so they slide right out of your ear I was thinking
you were gonna say some kind of little teeny
vacuum to suck it out. I think I would have enjoyed
that sensation very much. But yeah, that might
have been helpful. Yeah. Anyway, hey, Dr. Sammy
Ramsey, I appreciate your time so much. Thank
you for being with us. Of course. And if anybody
has not seen Secrets of the Bees yet, check it
out. It's amazing. It is the number one stream
thing on the Disney platform right now, which
is huge because there's a lot of incredible content
there. And that is just... Such an amazing review
of my documentary is to just see that so many
people are loving it. So don't be left out. Check
this thing out. And listen for his singing. Yeah,
yeah, definitely. In both episodes, you can hear
me singing. Thanks again for joining us on Be
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