WEBVTT 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:06.660 in a world brimming with complexity few creatures 00:00:06.660 --> 00:00:12.839 embody harmony like the honeybee with tireless 00:00:12.839 --> 00:00:17.699 precision she dances from bloom to bloom each 00:00:17.699 --> 00:00:22.420 motion guided by millennia upon millennia of 00:00:22.420 --> 00:00:28.800 instinct each act in service to the whole and 00:00:28.800 --> 00:00:34.560 then There are the beekeepers, watchful stewards 00:00:34.560 --> 00:00:40.500 of this ancient symbiosis. Part agriscientist, 00:00:40.840 --> 00:00:45.460 part poet, they move along their hives with the 00:00:45.460 --> 00:00:50.560 efficiency of mow, levy and curly, tending to 00:00:50.560 --> 00:00:54.219 the bees' needs as best they can comprehend, 00:00:54.859 --> 00:00:59.670 and with the infrequency of a waterfall in the 00:00:59.670 --> 00:01:05.549 Sahara, sometimes running off flapping and flailing 00:01:05.549 --> 00:01:12.129 like a penguin on a hot sidewalk. This is their 00:01:12.129 --> 00:01:23.810 journey. Welcome, welcome to Be Love Beekeeping 00:01:23.810 --> 00:01:26.510 presented by our great friends and partners in 00:01:26.510 --> 00:01:30.680 beekeeping. Man Lake. Our guest today just helped 00:01:30.680 --> 00:01:34.180 save millions of honey bees after their truck 00:01:34.180 --> 00:01:38.040 jackknifed and dumped over 400 full hives down 00:01:38.040 --> 00:01:41.159 a steep ravine. How did she and her team do it? 00:01:41.420 --> 00:01:44.480 And what's it like to have so many homeless angry 00:01:44.480 --> 00:01:47.379 bees buzzing at the same time that you can't 00:01:47.379 --> 00:01:49.840 even hear the other beekeepers yelling to you? 00:01:50.189 --> 00:01:53.049 That's all coming up but first let's just take 00:01:53.049 --> 00:01:56.150 two minutes to go inside the hive. This feature 00:01:56.150 --> 00:01:59.609 presented by Primal Bee. We have talked about 00:01:59.609 --> 00:02:02.870 the waggle dance before. How forager bees come 00:02:02.870 --> 00:02:04.950 back to the hive and tell everyone where the 00:02:04.950 --> 00:02:08.430 good flowers are by dancing on the comb. The 00:02:08.430 --> 00:02:11.689 angle of the dance points toward the food. The 00:02:11.689 --> 00:02:15.090 length tells you how far. Scientists just figured 00:02:15.090 --> 00:02:19.509 out something new. The quality of the dance depends 00:02:19.509 --> 00:02:23.750 on who's watching. Researchers at UC San Diego, 00:02:24.330 --> 00:02:27.370 the Chinese Academy of Sciences, and Queen Mary 00:02:27.370 --> 00:02:30.669 University of London ran experiments where they 00:02:30.669 --> 00:02:33.569 changed how many bees were paying attention to 00:02:33.569 --> 00:02:37.349 the dancer. When a crowd gathered around the 00:02:37.349 --> 00:02:41.090 directions were precise, but when fewer bees 00:02:41.090 --> 00:02:44.620 showed up the dance got a little sloppy. One 00:02:44.620 --> 00:02:47.379 of the researchers compared it to a street performer. 00:02:47.819 --> 00:02:50.319 With a big crowd, you can focus on your act. 00:02:50.780 --> 00:02:53.740 When the audience thins out, you start scanning 00:02:53.740 --> 00:02:55.939 for attention, moving around, trying to draw 00:02:55.939 --> 00:02:59.180 people in. All that extra movement throws off 00:02:59.180 --> 00:03:03.020 your routine. Bees do the same thing. When followers 00:03:03.020 --> 00:03:07.120 are scarce, the forager wanders around the dance 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:09.860 floor looking for an audience. The directions 00:03:09.860 --> 00:03:13.039 get fuzzier because she's multitasking. The team 00:03:13.039 --> 00:03:16.000 also figured out how dancers know they're being 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:19.680 watched. Audience members touch the performer 00:03:19.680 --> 00:03:23.240 with their antenna and bodies. That physical 00:03:23.240 --> 00:03:26.500 contact tells the dancer how many bees are following 00:03:26.500 --> 00:03:30.000 along. As one of the scientists put it, honey 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:33.000 bees quite literally dance better when they know 00:03:33.000 --> 00:03:40.370 someone is watching. I'd like to welcome to the 00:03:40.370 --> 00:03:44.409 show today, Tristan Tartaglia. Hey, good morning, 00:03:44.409 --> 00:03:46.770 Tristan. How are you? I'm doing well. How are 00:03:46.770 --> 00:03:50.770 you? I'm good. My tongue is running without my 00:03:50.770 --> 00:03:53.430 brain, as you can tell, but we'll try to get 00:03:53.430 --> 00:03:56.009 that going here as we wake up more this morning. 00:03:56.050 --> 00:03:58.990 It's early for you. No, the kids have already 00:03:58.990 --> 00:04:01.729 gone to school. We start early around here so 00:04:01.729 --> 00:04:04.110 that when midday rolls around, we can come inside 00:04:04.110 --> 00:04:07.349 and enjoy the air conditioning. Yeah, it's a 00:04:07.349 --> 00:04:10.490 good time of day for us. got it well we're gonna 00:04:10.490 --> 00:04:13.990 have fun today oh this is gonna sound weird talking 00:04:13.990 --> 00:04:17.550 about a disaster But it is such an interesting 00:04:17.550 --> 00:04:20.250 story and I can't wait to hear all the details 00:04:20.250 --> 00:04:24.689 about this big bee truck rollover in Oregon that 00:04:24.689 --> 00:04:26.930 just happened a few days ago. We're recording 00:04:26.930 --> 00:04:30.750 at the end of March 2026 here and this is still 00:04:30.750 --> 00:04:34.290 very fresh from a week ago. You know what, before 00:04:34.290 --> 00:04:37.209 we jump into it Tristan, would you give us just 00:04:37.209 --> 00:04:39.990 a little bit of background about your beekeeping 00:04:39.990 --> 00:04:42.879 journey? How long have you been doing it? I think 00:04:42.879 --> 00:04:45.959 I started in like 2020. You know, right at the 00:04:45.959 --> 00:04:49.620 end of COVID times we were all like... home and 00:04:49.620 --> 00:04:52.079 this and that and everybody needed something 00:04:52.079 --> 00:04:55.240 kind of extra to do or not necessarily extra, 00:04:55.259 --> 00:04:57.519 but maybe something that brought them back to 00:04:57.519 --> 00:05:00.519 gardening or kick -ins or something that brought 00:05:00.519 --> 00:05:04.000 them back. And so beekeeping was my thing. I 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:05.620 have a story about that, but I'll tell you that 00:05:05.620 --> 00:05:08.620 at the end. We just, we got into beekeeping. 00:05:08.800 --> 00:05:11.699 We ended up getting a mentor and joining our 00:05:11.699 --> 00:05:14.259 local club, Southern Oregon Beekeepers Association. 00:05:14.959 --> 00:05:18.269 And that year I won a ticket. Excuse me, I didn't 00:05:18.269 --> 00:05:20.350 win the ticket. My friend Jenny won the ticket 00:05:20.350 --> 00:05:22.209 and she took me because it happened to be on 00:05:22.209 --> 00:05:25.129 my birthday. So Jenny took me to the first ever 00:05:25.129 --> 00:05:27.370 Oregon State Beekeeping Conference. And I don't 00:05:27.370 --> 00:05:29.329 know if you've ever been to one of your state 00:05:29.329 --> 00:05:32.509 beekeeping conferences, but the vibe there is 00:05:32.509 --> 00:05:34.930 so cool. I don't know if all of them are like 00:05:34.930 --> 00:05:38.970 that, but Oregon's is like, hey, hi, everybody 00:05:38.970 --> 00:05:42.560 is like. there for bees and it's really cool. 00:05:42.660 --> 00:05:45.699 So that was one of my first experiences and I 00:05:45.699 --> 00:05:47.319 was like this is where I want to be. These are 00:05:47.319 --> 00:05:49.420 the people I want to be around. I've been to 00:05:49.420 --> 00:05:54.319 a few of them. My state one, ABF, Honey Bee Expo, 00:05:54.420 --> 00:05:57.160 even Appamondia over in Copenhagen this last 00:05:57.160 --> 00:05:59.980 year. And I'll tell you one thing, beekeepers 00:05:59.980 --> 00:06:02.180 are some of the friendliest people anywhere. 00:06:02.600 --> 00:06:05.540 Somebody told me recently it's because they're 00:06:05.540 --> 00:06:08.810 all nerds and so they all get along well. I don't 00:06:08.810 --> 00:06:11.550 know if that's the case. There's like half I 00:06:11.550 --> 00:06:13.189 think that are nerds and then there's this other 00:06:13.189 --> 00:06:16.769 half that are like just down to earth wanting 00:06:16.769 --> 00:06:19.730 to do that. You know like there's the educated 00:06:19.730 --> 00:06:21.509 and then there's the like we're just chilling 00:06:21.509 --> 00:06:24.050 here doing the thing with these guys. That's 00:06:24.050 --> 00:06:27.949 me. But I love that beekeepers are so happy to 00:06:27.949 --> 00:06:30.910 share information with each other. It's not like 00:06:30.910 --> 00:06:35.360 I have the secret to taking care of a row, but 00:06:35.360 --> 00:06:37.800 I'm not going to tell anybody else. No, it's 00:06:37.800 --> 00:06:40.519 not that way. I worked at a pool hall for 10 00:06:40.519 --> 00:06:43.259 years and everybody there was a hustler. You 00:06:43.259 --> 00:06:45.480 know, the old school hustlers, they come in and 00:06:45.480 --> 00:06:48.199 they only beat you by three points. And then 00:06:48.199 --> 00:06:49.759 the next time and you're better and they then 00:06:49.759 --> 00:06:51.519 only beat you by two points, but you still got 00:06:51.519 --> 00:06:53.779 a chance. Give me 10 bucks. You know, beekeeping 00:06:53.779 --> 00:06:56.579 is not like that at all. So it's really a cool 00:06:56.579 --> 00:06:59.879 community. I agree. And I'll bet in Oregon, even 00:06:59.879 --> 00:07:03.149 more so. Yeah. As you said, there's a lot of 00:07:03.149 --> 00:07:05.310 hippie dippies around. There's a lot of hippie 00:07:05.310 --> 00:07:07.930 dippies here and that is not negative. It is 00:07:07.930 --> 00:07:10.589 really cool chill vibe. For those that weren't 00:07:10.589 --> 00:07:12.569 there before we were recording, we were talking 00:07:12.569 --> 00:07:15.529 about Ashland and what a beautiful place it is 00:07:15.529 --> 00:07:18.310 and what kind of community it is. You do a bunch 00:07:18.310 --> 00:07:20.550 of cutouts. How many do you do every year, would 00:07:20.550 --> 00:07:23.069 you say? I do. I would say somewhere between 00:07:23.069 --> 00:07:25.990 60 and 120, depending on the year. And my cutouts 00:07:25.990 --> 00:07:28.490 are not always honeybees. Ashland is one of those 00:07:28.490 --> 00:07:30.709 places that will actually hire me to come out 00:07:30.709 --> 00:07:33.170 and pull yellow jackets, bald -faced hornets 00:07:33.170 --> 00:07:36.089 out with no chemicals. That's my shtick is, hey, 00:07:36.089 --> 00:07:38.329 I'll come and I'll take them out with no chemicals. 00:07:38.370 --> 00:07:41.089 And they love it. that. So it is a bit of a drive 00:07:41.089 --> 00:07:43.329 from here, but they're willing to compensate 00:07:43.329 --> 00:07:48.009 that. So Ashland is a great spot for sure. Okay. 00:07:48.009 --> 00:07:50.269 I'm going to get off topic for a second and say, 00:07:50.790 --> 00:07:54.870 how do you find the yellow jacket nests? Well, 00:07:54.870 --> 00:07:57.110 I don't know how you feel about cursing on your 00:07:57.110 --> 00:08:00.230 thing, but you follow the butt wads. You just 00:08:00.230 --> 00:08:02.829 follow them and you hope not to get stung while 00:08:02.829 --> 00:08:05.350 you're doing it. If there's a hole in the ground, 00:08:05.750 --> 00:08:09.310 you start digging. And you know that you've hit 00:08:09.310 --> 00:08:12.129 them when you get a second wave of them coming 00:08:12.129 --> 00:08:14.389 at you and you feel this feeling in the back 00:08:14.389 --> 00:08:16.009 of your skull that tells you you're going to 00:08:16.009 --> 00:08:19.470 die. You found the nest. They're really violent. 00:08:19.850 --> 00:08:23.490 I admit, I'm someone that would get out some 00:08:23.490 --> 00:08:26.250 kind of poison at that point, but you're paid 00:08:26.250 --> 00:08:29.230 to remove them. So you just what? Dig the nest 00:08:29.230 --> 00:08:32.389 out, stick it in a box or something and. Yep. 00:08:32.869 --> 00:08:35.370 Take it to hell and drop it off where it belongs. 00:08:35.450 --> 00:08:37.870 Yep I actually dig the nest up then I put it 00:08:37.870 --> 00:08:40.909 in a cooler and I leave the cooler open until 00:08:40.909 --> 00:08:43.990 nighttime and Then I put the lid on the cooler 00:08:43.990 --> 00:08:46.870 come back in the morning Vacuum up every one 00:08:46.870 --> 00:08:49.250 that I can and everybody needs to know like that's 00:08:49.250 --> 00:08:51.889 a hot zone for three days They are gonna be pissed. 00:08:52.389 --> 00:08:54.990 But yeah, we chemically free come and remove 00:08:54.990 --> 00:08:57.549 them We can't promise that we can get every bug, 00:08:57.629 --> 00:09:00.870 but you will not be having another brood cycle 00:09:01.279 --> 00:09:04.879 Where do you take them? I don't take them anywhere. 00:09:05.080 --> 00:09:07.500 They stay in that cooler until the next time 00:09:07.500 --> 00:09:09.659 I need the cooler and the cooler gets very hot 00:09:09.659 --> 00:09:12.519 in the back of a car. And if anyone sees this, 00:09:12.559 --> 00:09:15.539 that can direct me how to use them better than 00:09:15.539 --> 00:09:17.580 that. I know there are several places that use 00:09:17.580 --> 00:09:21.480 their venom. I just don't know how to donate 00:09:21.480 --> 00:09:24.179 the box to the people, to the right people or 00:09:24.179 --> 00:09:27.299 how to get that to them. But every year we have 00:09:27.299 --> 00:09:32.120 dozens of boxes or bags of deceased. Yellow jackets, 00:09:32.279 --> 00:09:35.700 yeah. I figure honey bees we save and we keep 00:09:35.700 --> 00:09:38.000 alive and we rehabilitate, but yellow jackets, 00:09:38.299 --> 00:09:41.840 I couldn't imagine them being around my property 00:09:41.840 --> 00:09:45.159 or putting them on someone else's property. No. 00:09:45.879 --> 00:09:48.799 No, they end up deceased, but I don't use chemicals 00:09:48.799 --> 00:09:52.100 to do it. So you're not saturating your land 00:09:52.100 --> 00:09:56.559 or your other stuff with chemicals. Well, I'm 00:09:56.559 --> 00:09:59.429 glad to hear you're not just moving them someplace 00:09:59.429 --> 00:10:02.250 else for them to live. No. We have enough of 00:10:02.250 --> 00:10:04.850 them. Yeah, we put them out of their misery. 00:10:05.370 --> 00:10:07.929 And if anybody can answer Tristan's question, 00:10:08.009 --> 00:10:11.529 because I don't know the answer. I know how to 00:10:11.529 --> 00:10:15.590 harvest honey bee venom, but from yellow jackets 00:10:15.590 --> 00:10:19.009 or dead yellow jackets, I have no idea. So if 00:10:19.009 --> 00:10:22.610 anybody out there knows, email me, eric at be 00:10:22.610 --> 00:10:25.679 love beekeeping dot com. And we'll disseminate 00:10:25.679 --> 00:10:27.940 the information. We'll get it back to Tristan 00:10:27.940 --> 00:10:29.980 and to anybody else that's interested. That'd 00:10:29.980 --> 00:10:32.539 be great. That's the community we have here. 00:10:33.019 --> 00:10:36.399 All right. Let's jump into the big fun topic 00:10:36.399 --> 00:10:39.360 that we have for today. How did you first hear 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:43.000 about the truck rollover? So I first heard about 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:46.259 it. It was actually a jackknifing. And I heard 00:10:46.259 --> 00:10:51.039 about it on the Rogue Valley Scanner, I believe 00:10:51.039 --> 00:10:55.330 it's called, or Medford. scanner, something on 00:10:55.330 --> 00:10:58.070 Facebook, scanner, right? And I went on there 00:10:58.070 --> 00:11:00.470 and I saw that there was this story. It was like 00:11:00.470 --> 00:11:02.610 pollinators lost, blah, blah, blah. There was 00:11:02.610 --> 00:11:05.629 like six comments and then it kind of disappeared. 00:11:05.990 --> 00:11:10.269 And so I assumed that it got taken care of. That 00:11:10.269 --> 00:11:12.950 was the assumption from most of the people in 00:11:12.950 --> 00:11:15.590 the area was, oh, it's an accident and there 00:11:15.590 --> 00:11:17.470 are protocols in place to take care of that. 00:11:17.470 --> 00:11:20.549 And it happened very far out and it's gone. But 00:11:20.549 --> 00:11:23.730 you found out that that wasn't the case. How 00:11:23.730 --> 00:11:27.370 many hives were on that truck? ODOT reported 00:11:27.370 --> 00:11:30.429 that the driver said there was 420 the night 00:11:30.429 --> 00:11:34.110 of the accident. From my beekeeping experience 00:11:34.110 --> 00:11:37.129 deductions, I would say that they had just been 00:11:37.129 --> 00:11:39.769 split because we found a bunch of queen cages 00:11:39.769 --> 00:11:43.409 that were still pretty fresh. So I'd imagine 00:11:43.409 --> 00:11:46.309 they went down for pollination, got their brood 00:11:46.309 --> 00:11:49.570 pretty good, and then split and headed up to 00:11:49.570 --> 00:11:52.940 the next field. So was anybody able to get a 00:11:52.940 --> 00:11:55.679 hold of the owners? To my knowledge the only 00:11:55.679 --> 00:11:58.320 time that the owners have come up was with an 00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:00.460 article through the Rogue Valley Times. I didn't 00:12:00.460 --> 00:12:04.279 even know their names or anything about them 00:12:04.279 --> 00:12:08.259 until that point. I know there are insurance 00:12:08.259 --> 00:12:11.379 reasons why commercial beekeepers often don't 00:12:11.379 --> 00:12:14.120 try to recover these loads. I don't know enough 00:12:14.120 --> 00:12:16.700 detail about that if you know no more detail 00:12:16.700 --> 00:12:19.389 on that. let me know. But it is a little hard 00:12:19.389 --> 00:12:23.110 for me to understand why the owners don't put 00:12:23.110 --> 00:12:26.070 a big effort into recovering this stuff. So can 00:12:26.070 --> 00:12:28.590 you shed a little more light on that? The only 00:12:28.590 --> 00:12:32.450 things that I do know, and I'm a very, I'll say 00:12:32.450 --> 00:12:34.990 it if I kind of know it person, so I could be 00:12:34.990 --> 00:12:37.330 incorrect, but the only thing I do know about 00:12:37.330 --> 00:12:40.769 it is that the owners didn't kill them, right? 00:12:40.789 --> 00:12:43.990 The first... option that Oregon Department of 00:12:43.990 --> 00:12:46.850 Transportation has and that any beekeeper has 00:12:46.850 --> 00:12:49.090 that has a rack like that is to just foam the 00:12:49.090 --> 00:12:51.950 bees to death. Bang. Done. There's no more liability 00:12:51.950 --> 00:12:53.809 of anybody getting stung or hurt or whatever. 00:12:54.450 --> 00:12:58.210 And then the cleanup happens. And so personally 00:12:58.210 --> 00:13:03.809 for me, I'm just saying thank you to Oregon's 00:13:03.809 --> 00:13:05.610 Department of Transportation or thank you to 00:13:05.610 --> 00:13:07.690 Oregon State Police or thank you to the owners 00:13:07.690 --> 00:13:11.299 for not killing them. because if they had just 00:13:11.299 --> 00:13:13.100 killed them, then this would be not an issue 00:13:13.100 --> 00:13:15.399 and we wouldn't even be talking about it today. 00:13:16.379 --> 00:13:18.820 So thank you for not killing them. The accident 00:13:18.820 --> 00:13:22.480 happened on the 17th. I showed up whatever day 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:25.460 consecutively. I'm a small business owner myself, 00:13:25.480 --> 00:13:28.279 so I actually work in days of the week, not dates. 00:13:28.639 --> 00:13:32.419 So the accident was on the 17th and I showed 00:13:32.419 --> 00:13:35.600 up on the following Sunday. whatever the following 00:13:35.600 --> 00:13:38.179 Sunday was from that accident. My significant 00:13:38.179 --> 00:13:42.220 other and I ended up going out as a date. I was 00:13:42.220 --> 00:13:45.360 like, hey, let's go look and see what that looks 00:13:45.360 --> 00:13:47.279 like, you know, because it's only a two hour 00:13:47.279 --> 00:13:51.600 drive and it's right past some really cool stops 00:13:51.600 --> 00:13:54.879 along the way for visual nature seeing. And so 00:13:54.879 --> 00:13:58.440 we actually went out there to see like, did they 00:13:58.440 --> 00:14:00.919 scrimp the guard rail? Did they hit the tree? 00:14:01.620 --> 00:14:03.700 What's it look like out there? So that's how 00:14:03.700 --> 00:14:06.620 I found out about it. And were people already 00:14:06.620 --> 00:14:09.980 cleaning it up? I have been told that there were 00:14:09.980 --> 00:14:12.539 at least half a dozen people who were aware of 00:14:12.539 --> 00:14:15.379 it and did go out there and they basically took 00:14:15.379 --> 00:14:19.600 a box or took a queen or took something. But 00:14:19.600 --> 00:14:22.679 at that point, everybody that I'm aware of was 00:14:22.679 --> 00:14:26.080 worried about the legality of that, that that 00:14:26.080 --> 00:14:30.450 might be like a felony or something. And so as 00:14:30.450 --> 00:14:33.269 far as I know, nobody took much before that. 00:14:33.509 --> 00:14:36.350 I know that there were some people who were into 00:14:36.350 --> 00:14:38.750 getting firewood for a living that were out there, 00:14:39.029 --> 00:14:42.309 really pulling some boxes out of there. But nobody 00:14:42.309 --> 00:14:45.389 that was up there before me said, we got to get 00:14:45.389 --> 00:14:48.389 these bees out of here. And unfortunately, or 00:14:48.389 --> 00:14:51.730 fortunately as it may be, I'm kind of a, what 00:14:51.730 --> 00:14:55.190 do they call that? Toot toot, you know, let's 00:14:55.190 --> 00:14:59.450 do this. I saw it and my first thought was. I 00:14:59.450 --> 00:15:02.370 cannot stand for this. I cannot do it. I'm going 00:15:02.370 --> 00:15:05.549 to take a video and then I'm going to start writing 00:15:05.549 --> 00:15:09.210 boxes. I'm going to start putting them up and 00:15:09.210 --> 00:15:11.850 putting them back because what I saw was just 00:15:11.850 --> 00:15:14.610 scattered and I thought these bees are going 00:15:14.610 --> 00:15:17.669 to die of exposure. And Tristan, if you have 00:15:17.669 --> 00:15:20.710 some video that you can share for the video version 00:15:20.710 --> 00:15:23.370 of this podcast, we'll insert some of that in. 00:15:23.509 --> 00:15:27.399 Yeah. but just explain explain the terrain because 00:15:27.399 --> 00:15:30.000 it was a very steep hill that all these boxes 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:32.779 went down right yes i've been told it was a 30 00:15:32.779 --> 00:15:36.259 degree angle and i don't know who figured that 00:15:36.259 --> 00:15:40.129 out but it's basically when you are looking at 00:15:40.129 --> 00:15:42.789 the ground, you're only looking at like one foot 00:15:42.789 --> 00:15:46.210 ahead of you. It is so steep. And so I think 00:15:46.210 --> 00:15:48.889 that led, that was part of the reason why the 00:15:48.889 --> 00:15:50.850 bees didn't get foamed was because they deemed 00:15:50.850 --> 00:15:53.690 the terrain too dangerous, maybe. I'm not really 00:15:53.690 --> 00:15:56.330 sure, but we're just thankful that they didn't 00:15:56.330 --> 00:16:00.149 get foamed. So you were tooting the horn about 00:16:00.149 --> 00:16:02.679 this whole problem. What did you do? You took 00:16:02.679 --> 00:16:04.700 some video and how did you get the word out? 00:16:04.820 --> 00:16:08.100 Yeah. So we went out there and it's date day. 00:16:08.340 --> 00:16:11.399 And basically I said, this cannot stand. I took 00:16:11.399 --> 00:16:14.399 a video. Just, I just panned once like this. 00:16:14.940 --> 00:16:17.460 And then I put my phone in my pocket and I started 00:16:17.460 --> 00:16:21.399 moving boxes. We did take a bee suit. So, and 00:16:21.399 --> 00:16:23.440 actually we took my significant others bee suit, 00:16:23.559 --> 00:16:25.779 my bee suit, and we brought an extra in case 00:16:25.779 --> 00:16:28.779 there was anybody there that like couldn't or 00:16:28.779 --> 00:16:32.299 whatever. So we started moving boxes. And about 00:16:32.299 --> 00:16:35.240 an hour later, a gentleman who I don't know if 00:16:35.240 --> 00:16:37.620 he wants to be named, so I won't name him, but 00:16:37.620 --> 00:16:40.860 he showed up and he said, yeah, we're doing this. 00:16:40.919 --> 00:16:44.360 Here's my hay rope. And so we just started moving 00:16:44.360 --> 00:16:47.820 boxes about half an hour later. Some guy in a 00:16:47.820 --> 00:16:50.799 big black diesel truck showed up and he said, 00:16:50.840 --> 00:16:53.059 are you guys okay? Is there a car accident here? 00:16:53.059 --> 00:16:55.120 And I said, no, we're just trying to save these 00:16:55.120 --> 00:16:57.929 bees. And he says, well, I did bees. and he put 00:16:57.929 --> 00:17:01.129 on my spare bee suit and that core group of people 00:17:01.129 --> 00:17:07.569 we just moved probably 50 to 60 boxes all into 00:17:07.569 --> 00:17:10.829 place so that the bees would hopefully settle 00:17:10.829 --> 00:17:14.390 into them. You have to understand it was so loud 00:17:14.390 --> 00:17:17.450 that we couldn't talk to one another. The bees 00:17:17.450 --> 00:17:21.470 frames were scattered all on the ground and so 00:17:21.630 --> 00:17:24.630 They had hidden under the wreckage and I would 00:17:24.630 --> 00:17:26.930 assume they tried, the queens tried to stay away 00:17:26.930 --> 00:17:29.529 from one another or they fought. I don't know, 00:17:29.549 --> 00:17:33.789 but you've got individual bees that wake up around, 00:17:34.009 --> 00:17:36.349 the sun didn't hit the spot until about noon. 00:17:37.049 --> 00:17:40.349 So it would start to warm up and then right around 00:17:40.349 --> 00:17:43.089 two or three in the afternoon, it was, you couldn't 00:17:43.089 --> 00:17:46.170 hear each other until about four. But that's 00:17:46.170 --> 00:17:48.009 literally all the sunlight they got was like 00:17:48.009 --> 00:17:51.250 two to four. all that powerful good like get 00:17:51.250 --> 00:17:53.910 things moving sunlight and then it starts to 00:17:53.910 --> 00:17:56.109 chill down immediately because the trees on the 00:17:56.109 --> 00:18:01.069 other hill are creating no sun again and so the 00:18:01.069 --> 00:18:04.089 limited time for them to get into a box first 00:18:04.089 --> 00:18:06.789 of all was ridiculous i mean i was i was walking 00:18:06.789 --> 00:18:10.150 down where i had put boxes and i would literally 00:18:10.150 --> 00:18:13.609 see queens getting balled on the ground i don't 00:18:13.609 --> 00:18:15.410 know if that's because they tried to swarm into 00:18:15.410 --> 00:18:19.430 the box and none of the bees recognize them. 00:18:19.809 --> 00:18:22.589 I mean, there's probably a lot of anatomy and 00:18:22.589 --> 00:18:27.549 logistics for bees involved in that. But my thinking 00:18:27.549 --> 00:18:30.589 was, okay, in a disaster like this, the strongest 00:18:30.589 --> 00:18:32.869 survive, but they won't survive if I don't give 00:18:32.869 --> 00:18:35.829 them this equipment. So we just lined the equipment 00:18:35.829 --> 00:18:38.569 up, took the feeders out because I figured that 00:18:38.569 --> 00:18:41.630 was dead space in the box that they didn't need. 00:18:42.190 --> 00:18:45.200 And so we would take the feeder out. put two 00:18:45.200 --> 00:18:49.000 of the emptiest frames or one big thick honey 00:18:49.000 --> 00:18:51.559 frame on one side and then move everything over 00:18:51.559 --> 00:18:53.980 and put one big thick honey on the other side. 00:18:54.339 --> 00:18:57.259 I figured that was more insulative than anything 00:18:57.259 --> 00:19:00.039 else. And we just stacked those boxes in what 00:19:00.039 --> 00:19:02.359 we call the train. It would be a tree at the 00:19:02.359 --> 00:19:05.200 base so that you knew that the boxes weren't 00:19:05.200 --> 00:19:07.500 gonna slide down the hill because otherwise they 00:19:07.500 --> 00:19:10.000 did. And then we'd put one box, one box, one 00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:13.390 box, one box, one box. We did about 40 or 50 00:19:13.390 --> 00:19:17.109 of those the four or five of us me my significant 00:19:17.109 --> 00:19:20.730 other and the two unnamed Was there a time that 00:19:20.730 --> 00:19:23.789 you said let's well, and I know a lot of the 00:19:23.789 --> 00:19:27.809 boxes were broken too. They were trashed Yeah, 00:19:27.809 --> 00:19:30.869 let's take the boxes at work We can't just leave 00:19:30.869 --> 00:19:33.630 these bees here forever and let's take them home 00:19:33.630 --> 00:19:37.210 find them new homes or whatever Yeah, we actually 00:19:37.210 --> 00:19:40.670 one of the guys had brought a bunch of nukes 00:19:40.240 --> 00:19:43.359 And so we just started filling those. He had 00:19:43.359 --> 00:19:47.799 a trainee or a mentee with him. And so we filled 00:19:47.799 --> 00:19:51.220 up the truck and the other guy didn't take anything 00:19:51.220 --> 00:19:54.500 that day. He just wanted to help. And I took 00:19:54.500 --> 00:19:57.960 one of those nukes as well. I also took a lot 00:19:57.960 --> 00:20:02.119 of just blank frames. I was like, I don't necessarily 00:20:02.119 --> 00:20:04.299 know where the bees are. And I didn't want to 00:20:04.299 --> 00:20:07.720 break the frames apart to look through the clusters 00:20:07.720 --> 00:20:11.150 to get to the queens. I didn't want to break 00:20:11.150 --> 00:20:14.869 that. I figured, no, let's leave the cluster. 00:20:15.289 --> 00:20:17.549 You can move it over and put that honey frame 00:20:17.549 --> 00:20:20.549 in, but don't break their cluster because I wasn't 00:20:20.549 --> 00:20:22.750 necessarily sure that they were getting warm 00:20:22.750 --> 00:20:25.730 enough to break their own cluster. And so I was 00:20:25.730 --> 00:20:27.690 against that. I didn't want to do that. We didn't 00:20:27.690 --> 00:20:29.950 do that. When we did transfer them into the nukes, 00:20:29.990 --> 00:20:33.670 we would grab three and four frames and lower 00:20:33.670 --> 00:20:35.970 those into the nukes without breaking that cluster. 00:20:36.109 --> 00:20:38.269 So we had no idea if there was a queen in there 00:20:38.269 --> 00:20:41.849 or not. But it just you can you is a beekeeper 00:20:41.849 --> 00:20:43.950 you can you can look at it and say oh, this is 00:20:43.950 --> 00:20:45.690 the cluster These are the frames and you can 00:20:45.690 --> 00:20:48.650 move that directly over and so you did all this 00:20:48.650 --> 00:20:50.690 in one day or a couple days or what? No, I did 00:20:50.690 --> 00:20:53.769 all this on Sunday night became our Sunday from 00:20:53.769 --> 00:20:56.670 about noon until about I don't know we worked 00:20:56.670 --> 00:20:59.509 till 7 or 8 p .m. And it was just got it was 00:20:59.509 --> 00:21:02.089 like not only are you exhausted because you've 00:21:02.089 --> 00:21:04.009 never well You haven't done this kind of stuff 00:21:04.009 --> 00:21:07.930 since you're 22. 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They can argue about 00:23:30.400 --> 00:23:34.400 whether I'm committing a crime After I save some 00:23:34.400 --> 00:23:36.579 of these bees and I didn't think when I looked 00:23:36.579 --> 00:23:38.019 at it I didn't think I was gonna be able to save 00:23:38.019 --> 00:23:41.000 very many I didn't occur to me at that moment 00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:43.880 But I just wanted to do as much as I could and 00:23:43.880 --> 00:23:45.859 then I was like I know like six or eight beekeepers 00:23:45.859 --> 00:23:47.559 who would come out with me here tomorrow if I 00:23:47.559 --> 00:23:49.880 described the situation to them I knew I had 00:23:49.880 --> 00:23:52.839 taken that video in awe of the situation before 00:23:52.839 --> 00:23:56.319 I touched anything. So I was like yeah, we're 00:23:56.319 --> 00:23:59.039 going to be able to do this. And then Oregon 00:23:59.039 --> 00:24:02.339 State Police pulled over into the pullout. And 00:24:02.339 --> 00:24:06.079 I told my guy, I said, I'm going down there because 00:24:06.079 --> 00:24:08.759 they won't come get me. You go talk to them. 00:24:09.349 --> 00:24:11.990 because I'm not the person that should be talking 00:24:11.990 --> 00:24:14.450 to anybody about anything. I'm very gruff and 00:24:14.450 --> 00:24:17.910 I'm very opinionated. And so I sent him to talk 00:24:17.910 --> 00:24:19.410 to the police and I was like, you're going to 00:24:19.410 --> 00:24:21.809 have to come pull me out of this. And so he talked 00:24:21.809 --> 00:24:23.569 to them and they were like, no, this, that's 00:24:23.569 --> 00:24:26.410 fine. It's a salvage situation. You are, you 00:24:26.410 --> 00:24:29.029 are saving things as long as none of this gets 00:24:29.029 --> 00:24:31.450 sold. If it gets sold, it's now insurance fraud 00:24:31.450 --> 00:24:33.930 and you will be in a lot of trouble. But I don't 00:24:33.930 --> 00:24:37.269 think anybody had their mind on any kind of monetization 00:24:37.269 --> 00:24:39.069 except for how much it was. going to take to 00:24:39.069 --> 00:24:40.910 fill up the gas tank to get back up there to 00:24:40.910 --> 00:24:44.809 do more work at that time. I bet that was a little 00:24:44.809 --> 00:24:47.690 peace of mind to know that. It makes sense, the 00:24:47.690 --> 00:24:52.349 salvage whole aspect, legal aspect of it. Plus 00:24:52.349 --> 00:24:54.769 you're, I mean, you're not only saving bees, 00:24:55.170 --> 00:24:57.609 you're salvaging stuff. And you're cleaning up 00:24:57.609 --> 00:24:59.670 what really could be a lot of litter, a lot of 00:24:59.670 --> 00:25:02.569 big mess. And consider what happens to a fire 00:25:02.569 --> 00:25:05.430 crew that's dependent on that road to get through 00:25:05.430 --> 00:25:09.970 to the next fire and a fire hits that wax. That's 00:25:09.970 --> 00:25:11.890 a, I don't know how hot it would get, but I know 00:25:11.890 --> 00:25:13.950 it'd get a lot hotter than just timber. You know 00:25:13.950 --> 00:25:16.329 what I'm saying? That was a serious concern for 00:25:16.329 --> 00:25:18.390 me personally. I'm like, I can't breathe hardly 00:25:18.390 --> 00:25:20.609 any summer anyway, the wildfires that come through 00:25:20.609 --> 00:25:22.809 here. I know that they probably have systems 00:25:22.809 --> 00:25:24.849 and maps where they know that stuff like this 00:25:24.849 --> 00:25:26.710 happened, but can you imagine if it got like 00:25:26.710 --> 00:25:29.190 overlooked and they couldn't figure out why it 00:25:29.190 --> 00:25:31.849 got so hot? Like that would be, it's just like 00:25:31.849 --> 00:25:33.869 a little map for disaster. So I was like, yeah, 00:25:33.910 --> 00:25:35.329 no, we've got to get the garbage out of here 00:25:35.329 --> 00:25:38.390 too. It's not just about the bees, but at that 00:25:38.390 --> 00:25:42.089 moment it was definitely like bees first, wax 00:25:42.089 --> 00:25:45.660 later in my head. Yeah totally makes sense. So 00:25:45.660 --> 00:25:48.839 did you go back the next day? So that night actually 00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:51.960 I posted that short video to Facebook and I thought 00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:55.539 and I told myself okay I'm gonna post this and 00:25:55.539 --> 00:25:58.599 I'm not gonna post any kind of explanation or 00:25:58.599 --> 00:26:01.279 content or anything I'm just gonna post the video 00:26:01.279 --> 00:26:04.880 and say ew this is disgusting because the internet 00:26:04.880 --> 00:26:08.480 tends to feed off of negativity. I hadn't noticed. 00:26:08.960 --> 00:26:13.539 So I sat there on this adrenaline junkie high 00:26:13.539 --> 00:26:16.980 because I had just been I mean that was a lot 00:26:16.980 --> 00:26:19.500 of physical effort and the way that I respond 00:26:19.500 --> 00:26:22.660 to that is fight or flight I'm in it like let's 00:26:22.660 --> 00:26:27.680 go and so my body was tired but my mind was so 00:26:27.680 --> 00:26:31.180 there's no other word for it I was I was high 00:26:31.180 --> 00:26:33.519 off of that feeling all of that adrenaline all 00:26:33.519 --> 00:26:36.339 of that work that I had just performed and so 00:26:36.339 --> 00:26:40.109 I posted it to the internet And I sat there responding 00:26:40.109 --> 00:26:42.549 to every comment because people were like, well, 00:26:42.650 --> 00:26:45.509 what happened without context? This is AI. That 00:26:45.509 --> 00:26:47.869 looks like a bear. That looks like a hurricane. 00:26:48.430 --> 00:26:50.750 Leave the bees alone. They'll be fine. And I 00:26:50.750 --> 00:26:53.089 would go through there and say it was a semi 00:26:53.089 --> 00:26:55.589 -truck accident. And the key is that you have 00:26:55.589 --> 00:26:58.349 to have at least six words in your comment for 00:26:58.349 --> 00:27:00.369 the algorithm to care about. You can't just say 00:27:00.369 --> 00:27:03.680 bees, bear, buh -buh. You have to like... you 00:27:03.680 --> 00:27:05.980 have to give it some context. So I was literally 00:27:05.980 --> 00:27:08.960 just responding to these people to get the algorithm 00:27:08.960 --> 00:27:12.160 to pick it up because I wanted my local people 00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:15.019 to see it and come out and help. But I didn't 00:27:15.019 --> 00:27:17.940 think to say that. The first video that I put 00:27:17.940 --> 00:27:22.740 out was just this raw. This happened. This is 00:27:22.740 --> 00:27:26.380 where it's at. And I didn't think to say, I'll 00:27:26.380 --> 00:27:29.380 be going out there tomorrow to deal with it. 00:27:29.710 --> 00:27:33.009 And that was, if you are responding to a disaster 00:27:33.009 --> 00:27:36.690 and you're posting it to social media, make sure 00:27:36.690 --> 00:27:40.650 that you tell them this is happening now and 00:27:40.650 --> 00:27:42.450 you can still help. Otherwise they're going to 00:27:42.450 --> 00:27:45.069 look at it. And I just learned about this yesterday 00:27:45.069 --> 00:27:48.170 from my friend, Amanda Metcalf. She says it's 00:27:48.170 --> 00:27:51.630 called bystander apathy. It's when somebody, 00:27:51.630 --> 00:27:53.670 it looks at a situation that's happening and 00:27:53.670 --> 00:27:56.309 says, Oh, there's nothing I can do to help. And 00:27:56.309 --> 00:27:58.509 someone else watches that person feel that way. 00:27:58.680 --> 00:28:01.039 and it excuses them from any accountability, 00:28:01.839 --> 00:28:05.279 roughly. That's the rough definition of it as 00:28:05.279 --> 00:28:08.299 I took it. So unfortunately, these people didn't 00:28:08.299 --> 00:28:10.640 realize that this was an ongoing right now help 00:28:10.640 --> 00:28:13.759 situation. So I responded to all those comments. 00:28:14.380 --> 00:28:17.140 I think I had like 600 ,000 views that night 00:28:17.140 --> 00:28:20.940 on that video alone when I went to bed. When 00:28:20.940 --> 00:28:25.480 I woke up, it was 1 .8 million. And was that 00:28:25.480 --> 00:28:29.859 just posted on Facebook or elsewhere? I did not 00:28:29.859 --> 00:28:33.079 have TikTok. I didn't have anything else. I think 00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:35.680 it links to my Instagram automatically, but then 00:28:35.680 --> 00:28:38.059 I went back and looked later and it didn't for 00:28:38.059 --> 00:28:41.160 whatever reason. I am not a tech person. People 00:28:41.160 --> 00:28:43.579 have asked me, did you want to go viral? No. 00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:47.119 What I wanted was people in my area to see and 00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:50.940 respond. But when I woke up, it was 1 .8 million 00:28:50.940 --> 00:28:54.690 views. So what did I do? I sat there and responded 00:28:54.690 --> 00:28:59.609 to every comment because I wanted people to know, 00:28:59.789 --> 00:29:01.750 you know, this has happened. Help me, help me, 00:29:01.769 --> 00:29:04.950 help me. And then I left. I left and went back 00:29:04.950 --> 00:29:08.769 out there. I had my friend Teresa. She's amazing. 00:29:09.329 --> 00:29:11.849 She's a little bit elderly and yet not elderly. 00:29:11.910 --> 00:29:15.130 She's a little bit older. And yet she, I told 00:29:15.130 --> 00:29:16.950 her, I was like, my arms hurt so much. I don't 00:29:16.950 --> 00:29:18.930 think I can drive. Can you drive me out there? 00:29:18.930 --> 00:29:21.490 And she was like, absolutely. And we went out 00:29:21.490 --> 00:29:25.339 there and we, boxes up the hill all day up the 00:29:25.339 --> 00:29:27.920 hill because I wanted to get them into the sun. 00:29:28.500 --> 00:29:30.259 You got to understand the bottom of that canyon 00:29:30.259 --> 00:29:33.119 does not get sun at this time of year at all 00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:35.740 because the trees the way that everything works 00:29:35.740 --> 00:29:39.000 the sun does not hit it and so I thought well 00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:42.559 if I can get the equipment from the bottom to 00:29:42.559 --> 00:29:45.319 the top and get those feeders out and get that 00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:47.680 honey on the sides they have a chance of making 00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:50.319 it overnight themselves. You got to take the 00:29:50.319 --> 00:29:54.140 lids and put the lids on We had no bottoms, but 00:29:54.140 --> 00:29:57.059 we were kind of sifting them into the dirt and 00:29:57.059 --> 00:29:59.880 then putting lids on them or stacking honey frames 00:29:59.880 --> 00:30:02.940 on top of them to give as much insulation as 00:30:02.940 --> 00:30:04.539 we possibly could because, you know, there's 00:30:04.539 --> 00:30:09.200 420 boxes. That means there's only 420 lids and 00:30:09.200 --> 00:30:12.240 half of them are destroyed. So we were just taking 00:30:12.240 --> 00:30:15.420 wax foundations that had honey on them out and 00:30:15.420 --> 00:30:18.119 placing them on top. And you're doing that because 00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:20.509 it's getting real cold at night, right? It gets 00:30:20.509 --> 00:30:23.430 so cold at four or five p .m. and I'm working 00:30:23.430 --> 00:30:26.710 my butt off and I'm still starting to like chatter 00:30:26.710 --> 00:30:29.190 a little bit. I don't know exactly how cold we 00:30:29.190 --> 00:30:31.069 should totally find out. I tried not to think 00:30:31.069 --> 00:30:32.869 about it while I was out there. You know, I just 00:30:32.869 --> 00:30:35.069 tried to like don't think about the negative 00:30:35.069 --> 00:30:37.069 Nancy's. Don't think about anything negative. 00:30:37.250 --> 00:30:39.609 Don't I mean, I came home and my guy said something 00:30:39.609 --> 00:30:42.230 about school and how they had just done something 00:30:42.230 --> 00:30:44.390 with our kid. And I was like, I can't hear anything 00:30:44.390 --> 00:30:47.210 negative right now. I just have to keep going. 00:30:47.400 --> 00:30:50.240 Otherwise, I can't do it. So, and he was very 00:30:50.240 --> 00:30:52.319 supportive about that turned around. We did. 00:30:52.420 --> 00:30:54.819 We were positive with it. Every comment you can 00:30:54.819 --> 00:30:58.519 see on my Facebook, I'm either like snarky, which 00:30:58.519 --> 00:31:01.099 to me is positive. Even if it isn't, even if 00:31:01.099 --> 00:31:03.259 it's a negative response, it, it lights up my 00:31:03.259 --> 00:31:06.880 brain or like, thank you. Please help get the 00:31:06.880 --> 00:31:09.960 word out. And so that night I made more videos 00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:14.700 and I posted saying tomorrow, please come help. 00:31:15.789 --> 00:31:18.069 That's what you have to do. You can't just say 00:31:18.069 --> 00:31:20.670 look at this disaster. You have to say look at 00:31:20.670 --> 00:31:22.869 this disaster I'm cleaning it up tomorrow on 00:31:22.869 --> 00:31:25.730 this day at this time. That's what will get people 00:31:25.730 --> 00:31:28.789 out there And how many people showed up when 00:31:28.789 --> 00:31:31.150 Teresa took me out there the day after the video. 00:31:31.509 --> 00:31:35.890 It was just us the next day 50 plus people showed 00:31:35.890 --> 00:31:38.670 up I would say I couldn't count them because 00:31:38.670 --> 00:31:40.509 I was at the very bottom of the hill and it's 00:31:40.509 --> 00:31:44.089 hard to See? But I was sitting there watching 00:31:44.089 --> 00:31:47.210 more equipment move than I had been able to move 00:31:47.210 --> 00:31:50.890 in an entire day happen in 10 minutes. We were 00:31:50.890 --> 00:31:54.289 daisy chaining like crazy. Everybody was there 00:31:54.289 --> 00:31:58.849 to help. Nobody was there to be persnickety or 00:31:58.849 --> 00:32:02.309 stingy or I mean it was just this and the people 00:32:02.309 --> 00:32:05.490 who showed up were amazing. And nobody's there 00:32:05.490 --> 00:32:07.609 to get paid either. They're just trying to help 00:32:07.609 --> 00:32:10.650 out the beat. spent 40 bucks in gas to get there. 00:32:10.750 --> 00:32:12.950 It's not about that at that point. At that point 00:32:12.950 --> 00:32:15.470 it's, and there's a lot of people saying like, 00:32:16.289 --> 00:32:17.970 oh, you're not going to be able to save them. 00:32:18.089 --> 00:32:20.349 They're getting too cold. Maybe they're infertile 00:32:20.349 --> 00:32:24.470 now. And it's like, yeah, but a worker bee doesn't 00:32:24.470 --> 00:32:27.009 know that she's infertile. She just knows she 00:32:27.009 --> 00:32:29.130 has a job to do and she wants to do it. And we 00:32:29.130 --> 00:32:32.390 saved like probably millions of those individual 00:32:32.390 --> 00:32:35.410 worker bees. And maybe that doesn't count too. 00:32:35.960 --> 00:32:38.099 everyone else, but it counted everyone on that 00:32:38.099 --> 00:32:41.440 hill. Everyone on that hill cared that we, every 00:32:41.440 --> 00:32:44.140 bee we could save, we were saving. So it might 00:32:44.140 --> 00:32:48.099 seem ridiculous to the hive mind, but we cared 00:32:48.099 --> 00:32:51.160 about that. We were like, you know what? We're, 00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:53.819 we're saving that bee cared, that bee wanted 00:32:53.819 --> 00:32:56.839 to live. So we got them up to the top of the 00:32:56.839 --> 00:33:01.019 hill and it was pretty amazing. Wow. I appreciate 00:33:01.019 --> 00:33:03.880 you doing that. The last time that we had a truck 00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:06.759 roll over like that, around where I am and it 00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:10.500 was about it was only about 20 miles from me 00:33:10.500 --> 00:33:15.339 the highway patrol and it was along a major interstate 00:33:15.339 --> 00:33:19.019 corridor yeah and the highway patrol put out 00:33:19.019 --> 00:33:22.819 a notice even if you're a beekeeper do not come 00:33:22.819 --> 00:33:26.279 to try to help we don't want other people here 00:33:26.410 --> 00:33:29.470 Yeah, I can imagine why. I mean, it's a huge 00:33:29.470 --> 00:33:32.250 liability, probably for the insurance company. 00:33:32.789 --> 00:33:34.809 Honestly, we were probably a huge liability up 00:33:34.809 --> 00:33:36.569 on that mountain, too. I do want to point out 00:33:36.569 --> 00:33:39.809 no one got hurt. Everybody was very careful with 00:33:39.809 --> 00:33:42.569 each other. We were all very aware of the situation. 00:33:43.450 --> 00:33:46.009 And beekeepers are tough, man. We were out there 00:33:46.009 --> 00:33:48.930 to get the job done and we did. Tough nerds, 00:33:48.990 --> 00:33:51.250 right? That's right. Again, I appreciate that 00:33:51.250 --> 00:33:53.930 you did it. It was our pleasure. I have a question. 00:33:54.230 --> 00:33:57.740 I want everybody listening. to put themselves 00:33:57.740 --> 00:34:01.079 into your shoes for a minute, into your bee suit 00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:03.660 for a minute. I talked to somebody else about 00:34:03.660 --> 00:34:07.460 a year ago that was part of one of these rescue 00:34:07.460 --> 00:34:11.880 operations and he said it was exhausting in a 00:34:11.880 --> 00:34:15.480 couple of ways. One was you're not used to the 00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:17.739 sound of that many bees. You mentioned how loud 00:34:17.739 --> 00:34:22.159 it got. Another was he and everybody else that 00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:24.179 was working on the cleanup, I think he said there 00:34:24.179 --> 00:34:27.179 were six or eight people, They weren't down a 00:34:27.179 --> 00:34:29.760 steep hill like you or this was just really on 00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:32.739 the side of a road You're lifting a lot of boxes 00:34:32.739 --> 00:34:35.280 You're lifting a lot of weight and even though 00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:38.159 they were very careful. They took a lot of stings 00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:42.000 They they duct tape their zippers and their cuffs 00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:44.039 and did all that kind of stuff and they still 00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:47.380 took a lot of stings You mentioned the adrenaline 00:34:47.380 --> 00:34:51.360 and the sound how were you feeling in the middle 00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:55.159 of all this? I have experience with yellow jackets. 00:34:55.420 --> 00:35:00.340 Yellow jackets will find any hole and they will 00:35:00.340 --> 00:35:04.039 all go into it and then they will line up on 00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:08.440 your body and wait and start synchronized stinging 00:35:08.440 --> 00:35:12.500 sessions. They're horrible. Honey bees do not 00:35:12.500 --> 00:35:16.340 do that. If you are well suited, if you have 00:35:16.340 --> 00:35:19.800 the proper equipment, I did not take one sting. 00:35:20.780 --> 00:35:25.659 Not one. I wore that. I didn't take a single 00:35:25.659 --> 00:35:28.159 sting. When I go to my extractions, I don't take 00:35:28.159 --> 00:35:32.019 a single sting. When I go to do yellow jackets, 00:35:32.619 --> 00:35:37.079 duct tape is my friend. The only time that I 00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:40.260 got stung in this whole thing was at the end 00:35:40.260 --> 00:35:42.400 when I had taken my glove off up at the top. 00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:44.900 It was after the incident as far as I'm concerned. 00:35:45.300 --> 00:35:48.460 I wore that. and it stopped me from getting stung 00:35:48.460 --> 00:35:52.460 and I use that when I'm doing anything and then 00:35:52.460 --> 00:35:55.860 also to be aware if you are doing bald -faced 00:35:55.860 --> 00:35:59.360 hornets you have to wear eye protection as well 00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:02.960 because they can actually spit venom at you out 00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:06.480 of their whatever orifice that is and they're 00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:10.219 pretty good too my glasses get wet with venom 00:36:10.590 --> 00:36:13.469 What do bald -faced hornets look like compared 00:36:13.469 --> 00:36:16.750 to other hornets, wasps, yellow jackets? They 00:36:16.750 --> 00:36:20.050 all look a lot alike, but they sound like bombers. 00:36:20.809 --> 00:36:23.570 Instead of little jets. Yellow jackets are like 00:36:23.570 --> 00:36:26.050 jets. Honey bees are like commercial planes. 00:36:28.289 --> 00:36:30.849 And bald -faced hornets are like bombers. They 00:36:30.849 --> 00:36:36.610 are just... They're huge. And they don't care 00:36:36.610 --> 00:36:39.730 about you. Until you know, they're the ones that 00:36:39.730 --> 00:36:42.389 the little kids throw a rock and the little kid 00:36:42.389 --> 00:36:45.570 ends up deceased It's those are the ones because 00:36:45.570 --> 00:36:48.610 they come out and they are going to kill you. 00:36:48.610 --> 00:36:51.309 It's it's intense. It's gnarly It's an adrenaline 00:36:51.309 --> 00:36:54.170 rush and at this point I've done enough bald 00:36:54.170 --> 00:36:56.849 -faced hornist extractions That I actually don't 00:36:56.849 --> 00:36:59.250 mind them because you can sneak up on them and 00:36:59.250 --> 00:37:02.429 wrap a bag around and tie it off real quick versus 00:37:02.429 --> 00:37:05.929 yellow jackets who You can't sneak up on you 00:37:05.929 --> 00:37:08.650 cannot sneak up on yellow jackets and they want 00:37:08.650 --> 00:37:11.170 to kill you. It's pretty gnarly What does the 00:37:11.170 --> 00:37:13.909 nest look like for the bald -faced hornets? The 00:37:13.909 --> 00:37:16.130 bald -faced hornets is the ones that looks like 00:37:16.130 --> 00:37:18.110 they're about the size of basketballs generally 00:37:18.110 --> 00:37:20.610 and they're very smooth on the outside yellow 00:37:20.610 --> 00:37:23.530 jackets have those little pleats in them and 00:37:23.530 --> 00:37:25.730 Please if somebody out there has a better way 00:37:25.730 --> 00:37:28.289 of describing or a more scientific way But the 00:37:28.289 --> 00:37:30.110 way I describe it is the yellow jackets have 00:37:30.110 --> 00:37:32.369 pleating on the outside. The bald -faced hornets 00:37:32.369 --> 00:37:34.760 are generally smooth And the yellow jackets are 00:37:34.760 --> 00:37:36.980 in the ground. They do. Yeah. Yellow jackets 00:37:36.980 --> 00:37:39.280 are in the ground as well. And they will find 00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:42.199 a hole in your suit. If you have a hole anywhere, 00:37:42.300 --> 00:37:44.920 they will find it. They are literally searching 00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:47.099 and honey bees are funny. They'll get on you 00:37:47.099 --> 00:37:49.019 and they'll do that motion where they're trying 00:37:49.019 --> 00:37:50.820 to sting and trying to sting and trying to sting 00:37:50.820 --> 00:37:54.099 and trying to sting. I had bees all over me trying 00:37:54.099 --> 00:37:57.679 to sting. Not one. Proper equipment. But you 00:37:57.679 --> 00:38:00.659 asked how I felt. My business is called Southern 00:38:00.659 --> 00:38:04.480 Oregon Swarms. because swarms are my passion 00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:08.539 I think that there is something magical about 00:38:08.539 --> 00:38:13.079 the feeling in the air around swarms you've got 00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:16.780 medicine men who talk about toning and they bang 00:38:16.780 --> 00:38:19.780 the gong and that gives a certain swarms do that 00:38:19.780 --> 00:38:24.489 too they they emanate this Just it's just it's 00:38:24.489 --> 00:38:26.329 incredible. I think that catching a swarm should 00:38:26.329 --> 00:38:28.389 be on everyone's bucket list whether they want 00:38:28.389 --> 00:38:32.289 it or not I'm one of those people and so I I 00:38:32.289 --> 00:38:34.010 take people around the valley We'll get a swarm 00:38:34.010 --> 00:38:36.710 call and I'll say hey, you've never caught a 00:38:36.710 --> 00:38:38.650 swarm Let's go and I'll catch the swarm with 00:38:38.650 --> 00:38:41.050 them just to be a part of it The bees go home 00:38:41.050 --> 00:38:44.389 with them and I go home happy inside of me. And 00:38:44.389 --> 00:38:48.039 so when I was out there The first two or three 00:38:48.039 --> 00:38:50.179 hours was really rough because when we got there, 00:38:50.219 --> 00:38:52.179 there was no motion whatsoever. And I thought, 00:38:52.219 --> 00:38:54.679 oh my God, what if they're all dead? And then 00:38:54.679 --> 00:38:57.559 there was this like, not like your hives sound 00:38:57.559 --> 00:38:59.579 at home when they're waking up, but like there 00:38:59.579 --> 00:39:02.239 was this other sound that was very sad. And I 00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:04.059 imagine that's the sound that your guys are talking 00:39:04.059 --> 00:39:06.539 about where it's like, it's depressing. You can 00:39:06.539 --> 00:39:10.199 tell that this is not okay. And the bees know 00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:13.059 it and you can hear it that there it's something 00:39:13.059 --> 00:39:18.050 is wrong. But then. About 2 p .m. They started 00:39:18.050 --> 00:39:21.250 sounding like swarms like genuine like there's 00:39:21.250 --> 00:39:23.969 a swarm somewhere in the vicinity There's a swarm 00:39:23.969 --> 00:39:27.690 and then there was two and then there was ten 00:39:27.690 --> 00:39:31.710 and the energy from that was just I Wouldn't 00:39:31.710 --> 00:39:34.889 doubt if it could cure some ailment like it was 00:39:34.889 --> 00:39:39.530 incredible and it was hopeful I May be a Maluni, 00:39:39.809 --> 00:39:43.719 but I could feel that there was hope And we're 00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:45.719 picking up, this is ridiculous. It's a beekeeper 00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:47.800 thing, right? But we're picking up hives and 00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:50.039 we're moving nukes and we're doing all of this 00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:53.360 stuff. And yet what am I staring at? I'm staring 00:39:53.360 --> 00:39:56.940 at that swarm right there. And all I want to 00:39:56.940 --> 00:40:00.860 do is go catch that swarm. I refrained. I was 00:40:00.860 --> 00:40:02.360 like, you know what? I'm here to move equipment. 00:40:02.420 --> 00:40:04.539 That's what I'm here to do. But several of the 00:40:04.539 --> 00:40:07.440 beekeepers out there were like, oh swarm. And 00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:12.159 we got, you know, very distracting. Alright before 00:40:12.159 --> 00:40:15.179 I let you go, I know you've been telling us this 00:40:15.179 --> 00:40:18.780 whole time about a wild and crazy honeybee story, 00:40:19.420 --> 00:40:21.860 but you said you have another one. Let's hear 00:40:21.860 --> 00:40:24.699 a wild and crazy beekeeping story. So my hope 00:40:24.699 --> 00:40:26.980 is that it's as inspirational as it was for me, 00:40:27.019 --> 00:40:29.519 but my wild crazy bee story is actually how I 00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:32.460 got into bees. I was not interested in honey 00:40:32.460 --> 00:40:35.239 bees whatsoever, but my friend at the pool hall, 00:40:35.380 --> 00:40:39.039 his name is John Lucas, his wife had cancer and 00:40:39.039 --> 00:40:40.880 she would come in late at night and she would 00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:43.860 have ice cream with us. And I got to know her 00:40:43.860 --> 00:40:46.780 a little bit and then she passed away. And John 00:40:46.780 --> 00:40:49.690 came to me one day and he said, I can't tell 00:40:49.690 --> 00:40:51.650 you how much they want for her tombstone, but 00:40:51.650 --> 00:40:54.050 I think that's absolutely ridiculous. He said, 00:40:54.070 --> 00:40:56.269 can I buy you all of the equipment it would take 00:40:56.269 --> 00:41:00.230 for you to keep a hive alive for Shirley? And 00:41:00.230 --> 00:41:06.389 so all of my bees come from him wanting to keep 00:41:06.389 --> 00:41:13.619 his wife's memory instead of a rock. So. So beautiful. 00:41:13.820 --> 00:41:15.840 It's beautiful. Thank you. He did that. And I 00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:18.039 wonder if a cemetery would allow us to have a 00:41:18.039 --> 00:41:20.739 beehive instead of a headstone. I don't think 00:41:20.739 --> 00:41:25.300 so. I don't think so either, but. Yep. Man, that'd 00:41:25.300 --> 00:41:27.920 be cool too, wouldn't it? All right. Well, I 00:41:27.920 --> 00:41:30.960 appreciate all of what you're doing and you're 00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:34.099 sharing these fun stories with us and touching 00:41:34.099 --> 00:41:36.679 story too. That's a neat way to get started. 00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:40.750 Yeah. All right. Tristan, take care. It was so 00:41:40.750 --> 00:41:46.050 nice to meet you. Thank you so much. Thanks again 00:41:46.050 --> 00:41:48.590 for joining us on Be Love, Be Keeping presented 00:41:48.590 --> 00:41:51.730 by Man Lake. Another big thank you goes to Vita 00:41:51.730 --> 00:41:54.949 B Health for their support. 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