WEBVTT 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:06.660 in a world brimming with complexity few creatures 00:00:06.660 --> 00:00:12.839 embody harmony like the honeybee with tireless 00:00:12.839 --> 00:00:17.699 precision she dances from bloom to bloom each 00:00:17.699 --> 00:00:22.420 motion guided by millennia upon millennia of 00:00:22.420 --> 00:00:28.800 instinct each act in service to the whole and 00:00:28.800 --> 00:00:34.560 then There are the beekeepers, watchful stewards 00:00:34.560 --> 00:00:40.500 of this ancient symbiosis. Part agriscientist, 00:00:40.840 --> 00:00:45.460 part poet, they move along their hives with the 00:00:45.460 --> 00:00:50.539 efficiency of mow, levy and curly, tending to 00:00:50.539 --> 00:00:54.219 the bees' needs as best they can comprehend, 00:00:54.859 --> 00:00:59.670 and with the infrequency of a waterfall in the 00:00:59.670 --> 00:01:05.569 Sahara, sometimes running off, flapping and flailing 00:01:05.569 --> 00:01:12.150 like a penguin on a hot sidewalk. This is their 00:01:12.150 --> 00:01:28.689 journey. and partners in beekeeping, Man Lake. 00:01:29.390 --> 00:01:31.430 Today we're going to have a fun conversation 00:01:31.430 --> 00:01:34.790 with a beekeeper whose hobby has gotten, let's 00:01:34.790 --> 00:01:37.650 just say, out of control. Or as he puts it, a 00:01:37.650 --> 00:01:41.329 hobby gone too far. First, a piece of news from 00:01:41.329 --> 00:01:44.930 the beekeeping world. The headline reads, could 00:01:44.930 --> 00:01:49.239 bees be a model for SETI searches? Ever since 00:01:49.239 --> 00:01:51.400 humans learned that there are countless stars 00:01:51.400 --> 00:01:54.359 in the universe with their own planetary systems, 00:01:54.939 --> 00:01:57.939 we have wondered if intelligent life exists beyond 00:01:57.939 --> 00:02:02.040 Earth. For more than 60 years, scientists have 00:02:02.040 --> 00:02:05.620 engaged in the search for extraterrestrial intelligence, 00:02:06.239 --> 00:02:09.699 also known as SETI. But all these attempts have 00:02:09.699 --> 00:02:13.159 yielded no definitive results. This has led scientists 00:02:13.159 --> 00:02:16.539 to question their methods and the possible indications 00:02:16.539 --> 00:02:19.400 of technological activity that they should be 00:02:19.400 --> 00:02:22.659 looking for. In addition, they've come to consider 00:02:22.659 --> 00:02:25.979 expanding the search to include different forms 00:02:25.979 --> 00:02:28.819 of communication. Now this is where the bees 00:02:28.819 --> 00:02:32.580 come in. One idea that has persistently guided 00:02:32.580 --> 00:02:35.759 SETI research is the notion that there exists 00:02:35.759 --> 00:02:40.159 one universal language. mathematics. Researchers 00:02:40.159 --> 00:02:43.039 at Monash University and the Royal Melbourne 00:02:43.039 --> 00:02:46.280 Institute of Technology University have conducted 00:02:46.280 --> 00:02:48.979 experiments that showed that bees appreciate 00:02:48.979 --> 00:02:52.819 and even participate in mathematics. Over the 00:02:52.819 --> 00:02:55.219 last few years the team explored the ability 00:02:55.219 --> 00:02:58.659 of bees to learn math. As they explain in their 00:02:58.659 --> 00:03:02.819 study, the evolution of bees and humans diverged 00:03:02.819 --> 00:03:06.740 over 600 million years ago, yet both possess 00:03:06.740 --> 00:03:10.060 the capacity for communication, social behavior, 00:03:10.500 --> 00:03:14.560 and math. The divergence in our methods for communicating 00:03:14.560 --> 00:03:18.620 are especially interesting. Whereas humans have 00:03:18.620 --> 00:03:21.219 evolved to use verbal language to communicate, 00:03:21.819 --> 00:03:24.699 bees evolved a physical language, the waggle 00:03:24.699 --> 00:03:27.599 dance. Through the motions of their limbs, bees 00:03:27.599 --> 00:03:30.460 are able to communicate the location of resources 00:03:30.460 --> 00:03:34.560 and other vital information. This includes both 00:03:34.560 --> 00:03:37.979 the distance and direction of resources as well 00:03:37.979 --> 00:03:40.900 as the angle of the sun and even the quality 00:03:40.900 --> 00:03:44.740 of the resources. The experiments involved free 00:03:44.740 --> 00:03:47.780 -flying bees who visited the outdoor lab regularly 00:03:47.780 --> 00:03:51.120 and were rewarded for their participation with 00:03:51.120 --> 00:03:54.159 sugar water. The results were very encouraging 00:03:54.159 --> 00:03:57.500 as the bees demonstrated the ability to link 00:03:57.500 --> 00:04:02.099 symbols with numbers to identify specific Arabic 00:04:02.099 --> 00:04:05.319 and Roman numerals, including the number zero. 00:04:05.919 --> 00:04:08.300 They further showed that they are capable of 00:04:08.300 --> 00:04:12.460 solving problems with quantities and to add and 00:04:12.460 --> 00:04:16.100 subtract, providing a basis for performing more 00:04:16.100 --> 00:04:19.879 abstract mathematics. This work suggests that 00:04:19.879 --> 00:04:23.600 interspecies communication is possible because 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:27.160 creatures with complex social and or brain structures 00:04:27.160 --> 00:04:30.899 understand mathematics. In fact, scientists who 00:04:30.899 --> 00:04:34.120 study bees have learned to read the waggle dance 00:04:34.120 --> 00:04:38.160 and to understand where their resources are based 00:04:38.160 --> 00:04:41.490 on the dance they're doing. Therefore, it could 00:04:41.490 --> 00:04:44.829 serve as a form of universal communication through 00:04:44.829 --> 00:04:48.269 which information can be shared and an understanding 00:04:48.269 --> 00:04:51.970 can be achieved. Because of cultural barriers, 00:04:52.269 --> 00:04:55.269 coupled with the time and space of communication 00:04:55.269 --> 00:04:58.449 distances, some scientists believe that it's 00:04:58.449 --> 00:05:02.509 important for us to show possible ETs that our 00:05:02.509 --> 00:05:05.769 civilization communicates with multiple other 00:05:05.769 --> 00:05:10.329 species. which may be the very basis of establishing 00:05:10.329 --> 00:05:14.250 peaceful relations. Wow, let that settle in for 00:05:14.250 --> 00:05:16.329 a minute while we jump into our conversation 00:05:16.329 --> 00:05:25.209 with a hobby gone too far. I am so happy to welcome 00:05:25.209 --> 00:05:28.050 our guest today, Song Lee. How are you, Song? 00:05:28.889 --> 00:05:31.610 Excellent, excellent. It was so nice meeting 00:05:31.610 --> 00:05:34.759 you at the expo. I was going to say we met recently 00:05:34.759 --> 00:05:37.980 at the Expo and we had a great conversation, 00:05:38.720 --> 00:05:40.639 enough that we're going to do it again here today. 00:05:41.540 --> 00:05:46.000 And we won't get into all that detail. But but 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:48.639 it's good to be back with you. Here's the teaser 00:05:48.639 --> 00:05:51.459 I'm going to throw out for everybody. Beekeeping 00:05:51.459 --> 00:05:56.740 hobby gone crazy or gone too far or gone nuts 00:05:56.740 --> 00:06:00.199 or gone something. Whoever thought, you know, 00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:03.220 just beekeeping. You get the bees, next thing 00:06:03.220 --> 00:06:06.920 you squeeze honey, right? No. Nobody told me. 00:06:07.019 --> 00:06:09.680 Nobody warned me. Well, that's what this show 00:06:09.680 --> 00:06:13.180 is all about, which is the love of bees. And 00:06:13.180 --> 00:06:15.680 some people fall in love and they fall really 00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:18.160 in love. And that's where you've gone. Anyway, 00:06:18.160 --> 00:06:20.959 we'll get into all that in a minute. Before we 00:06:20.959 --> 00:06:23.839 do, let's tell people a little bit about like 00:06:23.839 --> 00:06:26.379 where you live and how you got into beekeeping. 00:06:27.019 --> 00:06:30.560 So I live in Cache Valley, Northern California, 00:06:30.740 --> 00:06:34.290 East Bay. When we moved to this property, we 00:06:34.290 --> 00:06:37.990 changed the whole backyard, the raised beds and 00:06:37.990 --> 00:06:41.689 planting fruit trees and so forth. And then my 00:06:41.689 --> 00:06:44.769 wife was complaining that her zucchini was not 00:06:44.769 --> 00:06:47.529 pollinating properly, even though she hand pollinates 00:06:47.529 --> 00:06:50.129 and so forth. So then, you know, maybe get some 00:06:50.129 --> 00:06:53.790 bees. All right. Then a Costco was selling the 00:06:53.790 --> 00:06:57.569 kit, having a smoker, veil, cool thing. You know, 00:06:57.629 --> 00:06:59.790 if we ever thought of wearing the veil on it. 00:07:00.269 --> 00:07:04.600 And then Some people who whom I buy the fruit 00:07:04.600 --> 00:07:07.300 tree from I saw the bees on the backside of the 00:07:07.300 --> 00:07:09.680 property So I think I asked him. Hey, could I 00:07:09.680 --> 00:07:13.279 get some bees? Sure, okay So then next year in 00:07:13.279 --> 00:07:16.240 May we picked up the bee and then he said yeah 00:07:16.240 --> 00:07:18.439 check the bees once a week I don't know what 00:07:18.439 --> 00:07:22.779 I was looking at but we did one thing that is 00:07:22.779 --> 00:07:25.579 that stuck on my mind was after all these years 00:07:25.579 --> 00:07:31.089 that is that bee was very aggressive mean feisty 00:07:31.089 --> 00:07:34.430 maybe he was because I didn't know how to handle 00:07:34.430 --> 00:07:39.029 maybe genetically was feisty but anyway but you 00:07:39.029 --> 00:07:42.569 got stung every time we open it up so I guess 00:07:42.569 --> 00:07:45.430 it is what it is right it goes with the territory 00:07:45.430 --> 00:07:49.009 yeah how many years ago was this this was a nine 00:07:49.009 --> 00:07:53.509 years ago okay and by the way Most of us are 00:07:53.509 --> 00:07:57.649 at a point where it is our spouses are saying 00:07:57.649 --> 00:08:01.889 your hobby is out of control. But for you, your 00:08:01.889 --> 00:08:05.829 wife got you started. Well, the thing is, I had 00:08:05.829 --> 00:08:09.629 no idea it's going to gone this far, this much. 00:08:10.029 --> 00:08:12.709 After we got that, she was very happy. Pollination 00:08:12.709 --> 00:08:16.350 was fantastic. But five months later bees were 00:08:16.350 --> 00:08:18.910 gone. I said, oh, this is a little different. 00:08:19.100 --> 00:08:21.620 So then I started looking into it, taking classes 00:08:21.620 --> 00:08:25.379 and so forth. They ended up UC Davis, the master 00:08:25.379 --> 00:08:29.300 beekeeper program. And that was a game changer, 00:08:29.680 --> 00:08:33.000 learning all the scientific way of doing a beekeeping 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:36.419 at the classroom setting. And that was apprentice 00:08:36.419 --> 00:08:40.120 level. And after that, it just took off. And 00:08:40.120 --> 00:08:43.480 then I joined the Alameda County Beekeepers Association. 00:08:44.000 --> 00:08:46.980 and going there meeting other beekeepers attending 00:08:46.980 --> 00:08:51.519 meetings and learning from the speakers and then 00:08:51.519 --> 00:08:56.580 we had the swarm list hotline that is people 00:08:56.580 --> 00:09:00.179 call in for the swarm and then you can sign in 00:09:00.179 --> 00:09:02.700 and then we get a notice if we have a participant 00:09:02.700 --> 00:09:06.879 want to get go get the swarm and i started participating 00:09:06.879 --> 00:09:11.620 on it that thing really took off Most hobbyists 00:09:11.620 --> 00:09:13.759 are at a level where they start with a couple 00:09:13.759 --> 00:09:17.299 of hives and maybe get up to four or five. And 00:09:17.299 --> 00:09:19.940 if their hobby's gone a little crazy, maybe they've 00:09:19.940 --> 00:09:22.580 got eight or 10 or 11. Where are you at right 00:09:22.580 --> 00:09:29.340 now? I was about 100. Or more. Now you're understanding 00:09:29.340 --> 00:09:33.980 hobby gone too far. Where do you keep that many 00:09:33.980 --> 00:09:37.779 bees? So first I started, okay, I think I can 00:09:37.779 --> 00:09:41.159 handle five hives. And then the end of a couple 00:09:41.159 --> 00:09:44.299 of years later, it turned into like a 30 highs. 00:09:44.600 --> 00:09:48.159 You know, I think I can manage 30. And then caught 00:09:48.159 --> 00:09:51.419 up to about 50. So much you can have, you know, 00:09:51.539 --> 00:09:54.379 have it on a little small property. So I was 00:09:54.379 --> 00:09:59.539 diversifying the investment, so to say, start 00:09:59.539 --> 00:10:03.259 to spreading out. And I'm a dry cleaner by the 00:10:03.259 --> 00:10:05.220 trade. And I've been doing a dry cleaning business 00:10:05.220 --> 00:10:08.730 for almost about 45 years. So at the time, I 00:10:08.730 --> 00:10:12.309 was thinking maybe some other customer may host 00:10:12.309 --> 00:10:16.330 my bees in their backyard. And I read it. I watched 00:10:16.330 --> 00:10:19.370 it somewhere. They were just hosting idea. That's 00:10:19.370 --> 00:10:22.370 great. So then I asked them, hey, can you host 00:10:22.370 --> 00:10:25.990 some of the bees? And starting from one, two. 00:10:26.450 --> 00:10:28.429 And you don't have to do anything. And whenever 00:10:28.429 --> 00:10:31.009 I harvest honey, you got to have some kind of 00:10:31.009 --> 00:10:35.409 lure, right? You get 20 % of the honey. In other 00:10:35.409 --> 00:10:39.690 words, you get 10 frames out. I give you a fattest 00:10:39.690 --> 00:10:43.850 honey frame to them. Who's going to say no? All 00:10:43.850 --> 00:10:45.649 right, because you don't live on a big farm or 00:10:45.649 --> 00:10:48.549 anything, right? No, no. This is an urban area. 00:10:49.690 --> 00:10:53.289 My property is about 10 ,000 square feet, and 00:10:53.289 --> 00:10:55.789 then it's just not... It's an urban area. There's 00:10:55.789 --> 00:10:58.850 not much space. There's so much you can keep 00:10:58.850 --> 00:11:01.600 the bees in one property. There's probably even 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:04.519 regulations in your city about how many you can 00:11:04.519 --> 00:11:06.320 have on your property. That would be kind of 00:11:06.320 --> 00:11:10.279 a normal thing. Now you have a full -time business 00:11:10.279 --> 00:11:13.460 that you operate, the dry cleaners. How in the 00:11:13.460 --> 00:11:16.240 world do you have time to check all these bees 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:20.279 and take care of them? I learn about time management. 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:24.980 So then place those host bees five to ten minutes 00:11:24.980 --> 00:11:28.600 from the dry cleaner. So lunch hour, I go up 00:11:28.600 --> 00:11:32.830 Monday, Tuesday. Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, 00:11:33.730 --> 00:11:36.289 and then Saturday, and then we can take care 00:11:36.289 --> 00:11:38.809 of my bees and so forth. So it takes one hour, 00:11:38.809 --> 00:11:42.450 two hours every day. I didn't waste my time driving, 00:11:42.629 --> 00:11:46.110 traveling, just right down the street to different 00:11:46.110 --> 00:11:49.210 drug logistically placed so there would be bees 00:11:49.210 --> 00:11:52.970 not that crowded in the area. All right. Now, 00:11:53.370 --> 00:11:55.970 one of the side effects most of us call it a 00:11:55.970 --> 00:11:58.779 benefit. With that many bees, you're going to 00:11:58.779 --> 00:12:02.019 end up with a lot of honey. But you're only a 00:12:02.019 --> 00:12:05.840 hobbyist, okay? In my opinion, that means you're 00:12:05.840 --> 00:12:08.120 not doing this as a business venture. Otherwise, 00:12:08.179 --> 00:12:10.940 you'd be the size of a sideline or working your 00:12:10.940 --> 00:12:13.639 way towards being a commercial beekeeper. Yes. 00:12:14.120 --> 00:12:17.399 What do you do with all this honey? Well, first, 00:12:17.600 --> 00:12:20.179 when I harvest first one, I didn't want to give 00:12:20.179 --> 00:12:23.799 it away at all. This is my treasure. I'm keeping 00:12:23.799 --> 00:12:27.429 it forever. But as time goes by, the volume goes 00:12:27.429 --> 00:12:30.289 up. Two years ago, the maximum that I got was 00:12:30.289 --> 00:12:34.330 about 3 ,000 pounds, which is, that's astronomical 00:12:34.330 --> 00:12:37.490 number as a hobbyist. So I was thinking people 00:12:37.490 --> 00:12:40.269 keep asking, and people find it out in the community. 00:12:40.669 --> 00:12:44.230 Hey, you doing bees? What do they ask next? Do 00:12:44.230 --> 00:12:47.529 you have a honey? So then I start modeling it, 00:12:47.830 --> 00:12:50.190 and then place it on the cleaners, and the people 00:12:50.190 --> 00:12:53.230 picking up dry cleaning. Oh yeah, can I get one 00:12:53.230 --> 00:12:56.440 honey jar? and then start getting the worst are 00:12:56.440 --> 00:13:00.299 getting out and then become a local. How can 00:13:00.299 --> 00:13:03.240 you get any localer than that? So you don't have 00:13:03.240 --> 00:13:05.700 to go to the farmers markets and stuff. You already 00:13:05.700 --> 00:13:08.580 have a retail location. People get to know it. 00:13:08.659 --> 00:13:11.500 I think that's awesome. Yeah, they know the source. 00:13:12.080 --> 00:13:14.700 And then I show my hands and the face like when 00:13:14.700 --> 00:13:19.120 I got stung and then yeah. Do you not wear any 00:13:19.120 --> 00:13:22.240 protective gear? Not most of the time anymore, 00:13:22.240 --> 00:13:25.899 but Even though I get stung, I don't have any 00:13:25.899 --> 00:13:29.360 reaction whatsoever at this point. OK, let's 00:13:29.360 --> 00:13:31.240 go back to one of the first things that you said, 00:13:31.379 --> 00:13:33.960 which was the first bees that you got were mean 00:13:33.960 --> 00:13:37.779 and you got stung a lot. That's a problem that 00:13:37.779 --> 00:13:40.039 some people have. What did you do to solve this 00:13:40.039 --> 00:13:44.059 issue? So I started learning at the school and 00:13:44.059 --> 00:13:46.759 then all different types of bees and so forth. 00:13:47.600 --> 00:13:50.600 The one other thing that I learned is that the 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:53.340 instead of having a certain specific genetics 00:13:53.340 --> 00:13:59.360 I said locally adapted bees So I figured this 00:13:59.360 --> 00:14:03.860 guy these bees know my locale climate where to 00:14:03.860 --> 00:14:08.000 go all of that and Then on top of that start 00:14:08.000 --> 00:14:10.940 learning about the grafting. I even learned how 00:14:10.940 --> 00:14:14.639 to do artificial insemination but the selection 00:14:14.639 --> 00:14:18.019 of the genetics. Whoever has a feisty defensive 00:14:18.019 --> 00:14:23.720 bees, I learned pinch the queen and then replace 00:14:23.720 --> 00:14:28.460 with my docile queen. And then time goes by her 00:14:28.460 --> 00:14:32.940 daughter is much better. So I have been rearing, 00:14:33.039 --> 00:14:35.980 I've been using the word I said, I mean rearing 00:14:35.980 --> 00:14:40.080 the queens that are docile and gentle. So it's 00:14:40.080 --> 00:14:43.379 been about fifth year that I've been doing. So 00:14:43.379 --> 00:14:47.700 most bees are pretty gentle and calm. So then 00:14:47.700 --> 00:14:51.000 whenever I teach people, I teach how to handle 00:14:51.000 --> 00:14:54.299 with the bare hand. You know, as you know, having 00:14:54.299 --> 00:14:58.080 weight, a thick leather glove become clumsy and 00:14:58.080 --> 00:15:01.460 clinking and squishing bees. So this way you 00:15:01.460 --> 00:15:04.779 have a keyboard that's a treaty. And then also 00:15:04.779 --> 00:15:08.820 bees will cooperate. So it's about the genetics. 00:15:09.100 --> 00:15:12.929 That sounds really easy. It's not for some people 00:15:12.929 --> 00:15:16.009 if they're very beginners, but isn't it amazing 00:15:16.009 --> 00:15:19.570 how When you do that you replace that Queen if 00:15:19.570 --> 00:15:23.570 it's done, right? Within a couple of months the 00:15:23.570 --> 00:15:26.230 whole hive has changed some of them within a 00:15:26.230 --> 00:15:31.549 couple days as far as about two weeks Finding 00:15:31.549 --> 00:15:34.370 out the foragers are the ones stinging the most 00:15:34.370 --> 00:15:38.289 and their venom is the strongest and their hurts 00:15:38.289 --> 00:15:41.529 the most and their last defect lasts longer. 00:15:42.529 --> 00:15:45.769 So after those forages die off and the new ones 00:15:45.769 --> 00:15:49.529 coming up with a mother, gentle mother's pheromone 00:15:49.529 --> 00:15:53.129 and they're pretty calm. So I give you two weeks 00:15:53.129 --> 00:15:56.730 then after that those guys are really accommodating. 00:15:57.289 --> 00:15:58.889 All right let's talk a little bit about your 00:15:58.889 --> 00:16:01.269 bee club because I know that's been a great influence 00:16:01.269 --> 00:16:03.809 on you. Give me an idea of how you've been involved 00:16:03.809 --> 00:16:05.649 and what it's done for you and what you've done 00:16:05.649 --> 00:16:09.679 for them. Of course, finding out in the beginning 00:16:09.679 --> 00:16:13.139 searching for different, finding out schools 00:16:13.139 --> 00:16:16.879 and associations or that. I was surprised that 00:16:16.879 --> 00:16:20.340 in United States, just about any county has a 00:16:20.340 --> 00:16:23.720 beekeepers association. So then sometimes I get 00:16:23.720 --> 00:16:26.419 a call from different parts of the country. First 00:16:26.419 --> 00:16:30.179 thing I recommend, find a local beekeeper and 00:16:30.179 --> 00:16:33.799 join. It may seem early, but right now is a great 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:37.559 time to order your live bees for 2026 because 00:16:37.559 --> 00:16:40.820 they do sell out. And because Man Lake is offering 00:16:40.820 --> 00:16:44.779 a discount for Be Love podcast listeners. Wait, 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:47.659 what? I know you're saying live bees, they never 00:16:47.659 --> 00:16:51.299 go on sale. Well, they are now. Click on over 00:16:51.299 --> 00:16:55.019 to Man Lake, order your bees any variety. nukes 00:16:55.019 --> 00:16:58.399 or packages and anything in the beginner essentials 00:16:58.399 --> 00:17:01.679 category and when you check out use the code 00:17:01.679 --> 00:17:04.740 getstartedinbz it's down in the show notes so 00:17:04.740 --> 00:17:07.559 you don't have to remember for a discount on 00:17:07.559 --> 00:17:11.259 everything. So get your orders in early and save. 00:17:12.259 --> 00:17:15.099 So then what I've learned is that we have a common 00:17:15.099 --> 00:17:18.059 sense about the B's and then we can talk about 00:17:18.059 --> 00:17:22.559 these problems and issues and the benefits and 00:17:22.559 --> 00:17:26.619 the ideas. So then got heavily involved as I 00:17:26.619 --> 00:17:29.819 was a vice president for about two years and 00:17:29.819 --> 00:17:35.160 Then this year I was going to take over the club 00:17:35.160 --> 00:17:38.400 Association as a president, but the personal 00:17:38.400 --> 00:17:41.900 issue that I wanted to retire So I can do beekeeping 00:17:41.900 --> 00:17:44.680 for full time. No, just kidding. Just kidding 00:17:44.680 --> 00:17:48.259 You're knocking out that hobby door here. You're 00:17:48.259 --> 00:17:52.200 getting too far So I said, hey, you know, I got 00:17:52.200 --> 00:17:55.579 some personal it take the dry cleaner to train 00:17:55.579 --> 00:17:59.900 the new owner and so it's gonna take a little 00:17:59.900 --> 00:18:02.019 more time then I will come back and take care 00:18:02.019 --> 00:18:05.700 of it so then what I did suggest was about three 00:18:05.700 --> 00:18:10.160 years ago why don't we have our own club apiary 00:18:10.160 --> 00:18:13.680 so then we can have a demonstration the training 00:18:13.680 --> 00:18:19.859 and exhibition whatever so how I donate my hype 00:18:20.200 --> 00:18:22.779 And then someone else is so forth. So then I 00:18:22.779 --> 00:18:26.039 have been managing the club apiary. As a matter 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:28.839 of fact, we just had our first year, Hive Dive. 00:18:29.240 --> 00:18:33.440 And then one of the colony was exploding. So 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:37.440 what I did was I showed a demo res, a demo res 00:18:37.440 --> 00:18:41.440 split. And then we will do follow up. The last 00:18:41.440 --> 00:18:44.700 year's splits, how to take care of the, of course, 00:18:44.880 --> 00:18:48.720 my test. And then one of the colony that I demonstrated 00:18:48.720 --> 00:18:52.410 that people want to what happens if you do not 00:18:52.410 --> 00:18:55.529 take care of the colony and this will happen 00:18:55.529 --> 00:19:00.109 and the step by step follow through all the way 00:19:00.109 --> 00:19:03.650 down to a laying worker situation people can 00:19:03.650 --> 00:19:07.250 see they look at it this is there's a brood okay 00:19:07.250 --> 00:19:09.789 what kind of brood yeah it's a brood no those 00:19:09.789 --> 00:19:13.069 are male drones and you see the pattern here 00:19:13.069 --> 00:19:17.710 kind of random this is called laying worker situation 00:19:18.119 --> 00:19:23.359 and they get to see the, oh. So it's really rewarding 00:19:23.359 --> 00:19:26.400 to share my knowledge and experience with the 00:19:26.400 --> 00:19:30.380 members. You learned fast. Nine years sounds 00:19:30.380 --> 00:19:33.799 like a long time, but in beekeeping, that's kind 00:19:33.799 --> 00:19:37.099 of new as far as the learning curve, because 00:19:37.099 --> 00:19:40.000 we can be learning for 50 years and still have 00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:42.740 so much more to learn. Is it hard to find all 00:19:42.740 --> 00:19:44.880 the beekeeping supplies that you need out in 00:19:44.880 --> 00:19:48.670 your area? Not at all. Not at all. We have a 00:19:48.670 --> 00:19:52.490 local in Berkeley. There's a biofuel oasis. They 00:19:52.490 --> 00:19:55.890 sell Man Lake stuff. They're at their price, 00:19:56.009 --> 00:19:58.609 which is bad. Sometimes in their area, you just 00:19:58.609 --> 00:20:02.289 go down there, just pick it up. And then, but 00:20:02.289 --> 00:20:06.829 me, I love Man Lake. That is only hour and a 00:20:06.829 --> 00:20:10.890 half drive, hour 20 minutes to be exact. It's 00:20:10.890 --> 00:20:13.650 just like a little kid go in a candy store. You 00:20:13.650 --> 00:20:17.400 just go in. just look around and I saw one extract 00:20:17.400 --> 00:20:21.599 they said price of $15 ,000. Okay someday I took 00:20:21.599 --> 00:20:25.400 a picture someday I may have one but who knows. 00:20:25.980 --> 00:20:29.559 Well I know where we met at the expo was at the 00:20:29.559 --> 00:20:32.180 Man Lake booth and you mentioned to one of the 00:20:32.180 --> 00:20:35.059 head people there that you dropped like 10 grand 00:20:35.059 --> 00:20:38.319 the last time you were in their store so they 00:20:38.319 --> 00:20:40.960 see you coming and I'm sure appreciate it very 00:20:40.960 --> 00:20:44.309 very much. think a few minutes ago you said three 00:20:44.309 --> 00:20:47.329 thousand pounds of honey a year that's a ton 00:20:47.329 --> 00:20:52.049 and a half that's a lot of honey so what do you 00:20:52.049 --> 00:20:57.269 do for extraction well i use um well again this 00:20:57.269 --> 00:21:01.089 is totally one main show someone i think you 00:21:01.089 --> 00:21:04.690 asked me do you have any helper says like excuse 00:21:04.690 --> 00:21:08.529 me do i need a helper your wife should be helping 00:21:08.529 --> 00:21:11.880 she started this whole thing Getting into the 00:21:11.880 --> 00:21:15.319 hype, it brings me to a totally different world. 00:21:15.500 --> 00:21:18.519 It's like a meditation. Working with the bees, 00:21:19.019 --> 00:21:22.180 watch how they grow, and then you got to think 00:21:22.180 --> 00:21:25.240 and then prepare for next time. And on top of 00:21:25.240 --> 00:21:28.240 that, you know what it devolves into? Social 00:21:28.240 --> 00:21:32.789 media. One day, I went to an extraction. I do 00:21:32.789 --> 00:21:35.490 a lot of cutouts. And because of your name gets 00:21:35.490 --> 00:21:38.009 out there locally in the community, people call 00:21:38.009 --> 00:21:40.589 it an issue. Not only the honeybees, the yellow 00:21:40.589 --> 00:21:42.849 jackets, wasps, you name it. Anything flying, 00:21:43.150 --> 00:21:45.809 they call me song. This is the situation. What 00:21:45.809 --> 00:21:50.789 can I do? So I went to cut out this house and 00:21:50.789 --> 00:21:54.390 then this owner's daughter kept talking to me. 00:21:54.569 --> 00:21:56.930 Mr. Lee, Mr. Lee, I think you should do TikTok. 00:21:57.670 --> 00:22:00.160 You should. She just... So I said... TikTok? 00:22:00.500 --> 00:22:02.480 No, that's for the kids. No, thank you. No, thank 00:22:02.480 --> 00:22:06.980 you. And she was persistent. And second day after 00:22:06.980 --> 00:22:13.480 I finished, okay, you win. So we sat down and 00:22:13.480 --> 00:22:16.380 she went through the whole process how to go 00:22:16.380 --> 00:22:19.960 about a TikTok. And then 30 minutes later, okay, 00:22:19.980 --> 00:22:23.579 I think I got it. So I came home. This is during 00:22:23.579 --> 00:22:27.089 the COVID. About five years ago, then... you 00:22:27.089 --> 00:22:29.609 know laying around playing with the phone then 00:22:29.609 --> 00:22:36.430 just start posting stuff one two three four five 00:22:36.430 --> 00:22:41.089 the fifth one that i put on this was about 10 00:22:41.089 --> 00:22:44.809 o 'clock in the morning so i went to work and 00:22:44.809 --> 00:22:48.730 no one time i checked it said 10 000 views whoa 00:22:48.730 --> 00:22:53.630 nice and then two o 'clock i checked it 50 000 00:22:53.630 --> 00:22:57.750 views And by the time I get off work, he was 00:22:57.750 --> 00:23:03.329 running about 100 ,000 views. So I went to my 00:23:03.329 --> 00:23:07.309 buddy's house and then, hey, listen, this is 00:23:07.309 --> 00:23:09.410 what's happening. And then he called, he was 00:23:09.410 --> 00:23:11.990 still laughing. He called his kids, come here, 00:23:12.069 --> 00:23:15.950 come here. They looked at it and they go, dad, 00:23:16.349 --> 00:23:20.410 dad, his video is going viral. I said, what do 00:23:20.410 --> 00:23:25.390 you mean viral? Somebody's sick? They were saying 00:23:25.390 --> 00:23:29.809 that his video is going to hit million tomorrow. 00:23:30.329 --> 00:23:34.349 Excuse me? Ah, you've got to be kidding me. So 00:23:34.349 --> 00:23:37.970 I got up six o 'clock, checked it, two million 00:23:37.970 --> 00:23:42.730 views. What was in that video? It was just honey 00:23:42.730 --> 00:23:46.470 on capping with a hot knife. That's it. That's 00:23:46.470 --> 00:23:50.650 it. And then that was not even my video. It was 00:23:50.650 --> 00:23:55.210 my friend's, my Vigo. and he's a commercial he's 00:23:55.210 --> 00:23:57.589 doing a business with taking care of someone's 00:23:57.589 --> 00:24:01.869 bees and when he was on capping i was mesmerized 00:24:01.869 --> 00:24:06.609 the way he's doing it so i videotaped it okay 00:24:06.609 --> 00:24:09.730 and then i asked for permission can i put this 00:24:09.730 --> 00:24:14.650 on yeah go ahead and put it on up to this now 00:24:14.650 --> 00:24:21.240 it hit 160 million Jews Get out of here. All 00:24:21.240 --> 00:24:23.539 right, where do people find you on social media? 00:24:23.660 --> 00:24:26.339 I'll stick it down in the show notes, too. Okay. 00:24:26.700 --> 00:24:32.140 TikTok and Facebook is Sung Lee the B Charmer. 00:24:32.400 --> 00:24:36.700 So S -U -N -G -L -E -E the B Charmer. Yeah, the 00:24:36.700 --> 00:24:39.400 B Charmer. And then there's a funny story on 00:24:39.400 --> 00:24:42.420 that, too, is I didn't make that name. I did 00:24:42.420 --> 00:24:48.160 now. When I posted stuff in our San Lorenzo community, 00:24:49.179 --> 00:24:53.039 They made the name. The whisper is too common. 00:24:53.599 --> 00:24:56.539 No, we call you a beach hammer. And then it became 00:24:56.539 --> 00:25:00.079 a beach hammer. I like it. Like a snake charmer. 00:25:01.220 --> 00:25:05.700 Yeah. And then what I learned about ASMR, which 00:25:05.700 --> 00:25:10.059 is satisfying, I guess it was satisfying to people. 00:25:10.619 --> 00:25:14.079 So that similar one hit about 15 million views, 00:25:14.519 --> 00:25:17.900 30 million views. And then now I put out like 00:25:17.900 --> 00:25:23.940 a removing bees, swarms, 1 million views, 100 00:25:23.940 --> 00:25:28.240 ,000 views. So I said, okay, so then maybe I 00:25:28.240 --> 00:25:31.640 can challenge on a YouTube channel. So I moved 00:25:31.640 --> 00:25:35.119 on to YouTube and that is challenging. At the 00:25:35.119 --> 00:25:38.920 expo, I was sitting at the Lawrence Edwards session, 00:25:39.440 --> 00:25:42.400 two of them, and second one was the social media. 00:25:43.339 --> 00:25:45.559 And I was having a hard time with the YouTube 00:25:45.559 --> 00:25:50.009 channel. Here's the thing. TikTok is entertainment. 00:25:51.109 --> 00:25:56.069 YouTube is mostly how -to. My mind is mostly 00:25:56.069 --> 00:26:01.190 satisfying. This is what I did. But YouTube is 00:26:01.190 --> 00:26:03.950 not working. So then I'm sitting at the Lawrence 00:26:03.950 --> 00:26:08.049 Diaz session and he gave me an answer. Problem 00:26:08.049 --> 00:26:12.430 -solving. Just one sentence. Aha! I knew it was 00:26:12.430 --> 00:26:15.250 how -to about problem -solving. That's the word 00:26:15.250 --> 00:26:18.170 I'm... what I need to do. People have a question. 00:26:18.410 --> 00:26:21.009 People have a problem. I need to show what I 00:26:21.009 --> 00:26:25.150 know how to solve that issue. So after the session, 00:26:25.410 --> 00:26:28.190 I went up to Lawrence and said, thank you so 00:26:28.190 --> 00:26:30.470 much. You gave me the answer what I'm looking 00:26:30.470 --> 00:26:34.490 for. And I took a picture with him. I love it. 00:26:34.670 --> 00:26:37.990 Yeah. So you're now the king of all social media. 00:26:38.029 --> 00:26:40.430 I had no idea you were such a big star when we 00:26:40.430 --> 00:26:43.069 were talking the other day. It wasn't meant to 00:26:43.069 --> 00:26:46.210 be. Celebrity all the way. All right. Anyway, 00:26:46.329 --> 00:26:48.150 we'll have a link if people want to look at some 00:26:48.150 --> 00:26:50.150 of that. We'll talk about a whole bunch more, 00:26:50.549 --> 00:26:53.390 but I know you have a fun, wild and crazy beekeeping 00:26:53.390 --> 00:26:57.470 story. Let's jump to that right now. Okay. So 00:26:57.470 --> 00:27:02.170 one of the most, I remember the phenomenon, the 00:27:02.170 --> 00:27:05.930 incident was that a lot of club members keep 00:27:05.930 --> 00:27:10.049 saying that song. have a pickup truck or a van. 00:27:10.230 --> 00:27:12.450 Well especially if you're catching swarms and 00:27:12.450 --> 00:27:16.029 doing cutouts, you're transferring Bs from point 00:27:16.029 --> 00:27:20.609 A to point B. So what do you transfer them in? 00:27:20.970 --> 00:27:29.230 BMW. You mean a B -M -W? Yes, B -M -W. It was 00:27:29.230 --> 00:27:32.950 meant to be. So I you know put in uh sometimes 00:27:32.950 --> 00:27:35.490 the back mostly backs it. My truck is a full 00:27:35.490 --> 00:27:38.019 of gears. So I want to use it in the back seat 00:27:38.019 --> 00:27:40.859 and sometimes I carry about two or three boxes. 00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:44.180 I squish it in about three or four boxes by next 00:27:44.180 --> 00:27:48.200 to the passenger seat, so forth. But sometime, 00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:52.579 one time, I was moving the bees and then I thought 00:27:52.579 --> 00:27:57.160 I sealed it properly. It was not. You know, all 00:27:57.160 --> 00:27:59.339 they need is a quarter of an inch gap, right? 00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:02.759 Bees start coming up. Probably in the beginning, 00:28:02.779 --> 00:28:05.579 I would have scared. I mean, I would be freaking 00:28:05.579 --> 00:28:09.339 out. But I said, okay, calm down. Okay, we'll 00:28:09.339 --> 00:28:13.180 get there. Okay, so then what happens when you 00:28:13.180 --> 00:28:17.700 stop at the red light or stop sign? People see 00:28:17.700 --> 00:28:21.039 and they're honking at me Let's make sure people 00:28:21.039 --> 00:28:24.039 understand what they are seeing because I've 00:28:24.039 --> 00:28:27.079 had this happen in a car before The bees come 00:28:27.079 --> 00:28:30.160 out they head for the windows and they will coat 00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:33.180 the windows because they want to get out to the 00:28:33.180 --> 00:28:36.809 sunny place So I'm imagining you you come up 00:28:36.809 --> 00:28:40.549 to a stop sign in your beamer and All people 00:28:40.549 --> 00:28:45.609 can see is bees all over the windows For all 00:28:45.609 --> 00:28:47.849 they know the whole inside is completely full 00:28:47.849 --> 00:28:50.730 of bees too. And then what do they do? You mean 00:28:50.730 --> 00:28:54.170 the bees or people? The people they're still 00:28:54.170 --> 00:28:58.750 honking and pointing at me. So like you are you 00:28:58.750 --> 00:29:05.190 crazy? So I said okay yeah just stick well you're 00:29:05.190 --> 00:29:07.349 not gonna roll the windows down the bees are 00:29:07.349 --> 00:29:10.029 gonna fly out no you know i don't want to lose 00:29:10.029 --> 00:29:13.869 them so i say just stay put stay put we get there 00:29:13.869 --> 00:29:16.130 soon well the nice thing that i found in those 00:29:16.130 --> 00:29:18.809 situations is usually the bees aren't aggressive 00:29:18.809 --> 00:29:21.970 i've never been stung that way before they're 00:29:21.970 --> 00:29:24.410 just around the windows and want to get out and 00:29:24.410 --> 00:29:27.410 whatever have you been okay that way oh yeah 00:29:27.410 --> 00:29:29.769 i've been fine just people get landing on me 00:29:29.769 --> 00:29:32.119 and her face and so forth but just just make 00:29:32.119 --> 00:29:34.920 sure I see it. It doesn't distract my driving, 00:29:35.839 --> 00:29:39.059 but I usually try to get there as soon as possible. 00:29:39.119 --> 00:29:42.319 So then I'll open it up and then unload the bees, 00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:46.019 get them in a safe place. Anyways, I don't want 00:29:46.019 --> 00:29:49.359 to go too far. And we totally do not recommend 00:29:49.359 --> 00:29:53.619 this. No. This is not safe. We're not recommending 00:29:53.619 --> 00:29:56.779 this in any way shape or form but hey beekeepers 00:29:56.779 --> 00:29:59.240 I'll bet it's happened to you too. It's happened 00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:03.099 to all of us it seems like. So I think the key 00:30:03.099 --> 00:30:07.339 is don't freak out. Do not freak out. If you 00:30:07.339 --> 00:30:10.380 think you're gonna freak out gently pull to the 00:30:10.380 --> 00:30:12.940 side of the road and get out of your vehicle 00:30:12.940 --> 00:30:16.259 because if you freak out something bad's gonna 00:30:16.259 --> 00:30:20.019 happen so keep your cool. So for their reason, 00:30:20.259 --> 00:30:23.579 but it doesn't happen all the time. But whenever 00:30:23.579 --> 00:30:27.279 I transport or someone has taken a make sure 00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:32.180 I double triple seal, make sure there's no leakage 00:30:32.180 --> 00:30:36.680 of the bees and the lesson learned. I'm just 00:30:36.680 --> 00:30:39.259 picturing this. I wish you had pictures. I wish 00:30:39.259 --> 00:30:42.720 the people had taken pictures. That'd be good 00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:45.480 for your next TikTok by the way. Well, actually 00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:49.190 it's on it. Okay. Yeah, so whenever it happens, 00:30:49.630 --> 00:30:52.349 I put the camera out and then, okay, guys, you 00:30:52.349 --> 00:30:55.450 know, stay put. All right. I'm going to go check 00:30:55.450 --> 00:30:59.069 out your TikToks. Before I let you go, I want 00:30:59.069 --> 00:31:02.289 to hear some other advice for hobby beekeepers. 00:31:02.990 --> 00:31:07.309 What have you got? Well, first of all, I would 00:31:07.309 --> 00:31:12.470 recommend to try to get into the hive as many 00:31:12.470 --> 00:31:18.559 as possible, because this is the skill. You may 00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:21.799 know all the knowledge in your head, but if your 00:31:21.799 --> 00:31:25.599 hand, your body, coordination, your eyes, if 00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:29.200 it doesn't develop your skill, you're not going 00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:34.819 to get any better sooner. I figure I check about 00:31:34.819 --> 00:31:39.579 my hubs at least about 2 ,000 times a year. Why 00:31:39.579 --> 00:31:42.940 my skill has gotten better? Because of a number. 00:31:43.519 --> 00:31:45.779 If you have one or two hubs, you may check about 00:31:45.849 --> 00:31:49.509 20, 30 times a year, that's about it. Even though 00:31:49.509 --> 00:31:52.750 people say it may bother, but this is a learning 00:31:52.750 --> 00:31:57.509 curve. You got to pass that stage to get better. 00:31:58.029 --> 00:32:01.470 And then number two, a lot of recording, but 00:32:01.470 --> 00:32:04.369 also for me was one of the best thing helped 00:32:04.369 --> 00:32:08.450 was the taking a lot of photos and videos. So 00:32:08.450 --> 00:32:11.369 then later I can review something that I missed. 00:32:11.650 --> 00:32:14.349 When I look at it, that's what it was. And then 00:32:14.349 --> 00:32:18.420 I can study. later and then find the solution 00:32:18.420 --> 00:32:22.160 or what is the recognition so that will help. 00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:26.460 Then then also having your B buddies and the 00:32:26.460 --> 00:32:31.720 mentors and ask questions and then you get least 00:32:31.720 --> 00:32:34.880 intellectually you understand that with that 00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:38.680 base and practice and practice and practice. 00:32:39.420 --> 00:32:41.859 One of the things that I'm not very good at is 00:32:41.859 --> 00:32:44.769 taking notes. is having some kind of a little 00:32:44.769 --> 00:32:48.009 journal out with me in the bee yard and writing 00:32:48.009 --> 00:32:50.369 down you know here's what's going on with this 00:32:50.369 --> 00:32:52.829 hive and here's one I traded this one and etc. 00:32:53.589 --> 00:32:55.609 Do you have some kind of a good system for that 00:32:55.609 --> 00:32:58.069 because that's a lot of hives to keep track of. 00:32:58.509 --> 00:33:01.490 Yeah maybe you can have a phone those are some 00:33:01.490 --> 00:33:04.549 of the gans that I saw they came out. You can 00:33:04.549 --> 00:33:08.619 record your voice. as you're going through, record 00:33:08.619 --> 00:33:11.700 all the frame number one, there's a honey, frame 00:33:11.700 --> 00:33:14.440 number three, I see the chop root, something, 00:33:14.980 --> 00:33:17.119 or you say, if you can record a chop root, it's 00:33:17.119 --> 00:33:20.339 fine, but something dead bees in the dried out, 00:33:20.660 --> 00:33:23.660 and I don't know what it is, and so forth. So 00:33:23.660 --> 00:33:26.960 having a recording movie will help. And in the 00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:30.400 beginning, I had a app, and then every time I 00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:33.079 have to get on the phone and connect to the internet, 00:33:33.140 --> 00:33:36.140 and then recording, and so forth. But later, 00:33:36.380 --> 00:33:39.700 it's become so many cumbersome so what I did 00:33:39.700 --> 00:33:45.400 was on top of the high box put a big white strip 00:33:45.400 --> 00:33:49.539 on them and then start writing down date what 00:33:49.539 --> 00:33:54.559 I saw and then on that what I need next time 00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:58.779 need a super or need food. When you say a strip 00:33:58.779 --> 00:34:01.279 do you mean like a painter's tape or something 00:34:01.279 --> 00:34:04.279 like that? Something like that yes. So I bought 00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:07.619 it from Uline there's a white two and a half 00:34:07.619 --> 00:34:12.539 inch wide the white tape on it so that I can 00:34:12.539 --> 00:34:15.900 strip it and then lay it on the one side and 00:34:15.900 --> 00:34:19.840 then start writing on with the marker but over 00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:22.239 time that thing fades so I'm gonna make a trowel 00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:24.780 which is gonna have a cover for it so it doesn't 00:34:24.780 --> 00:34:29.000 fade out but at the convent at expo someone from 00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:34.940 Canada he had a pen marker it doesn't fade so 00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:37.920 He mentioned that, so I chased him all the way 00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:41.900 to the hallway, grabbed him, excuse me, and then 00:34:41.900 --> 00:34:45.539 he showed me the pen. I took a picture of it, 00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:47.980 and then I haven't had the time to order it, 00:34:48.119 --> 00:34:50.980 but I'm gonna have a 2 .0, but there are a lot 00:34:50.980 --> 00:34:55.820 of abbreviations on the tape. Let's say QM, Queen 00:34:55.820 --> 00:35:01.239 Mark, PP, Pollen Patty, SP, Sugar Syrup, SS. 00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:04.519 things like that. It's a lot of abbreviation, 00:35:04.539 --> 00:35:06.780 so you don't have to write the whole thing, just 00:35:06.780 --> 00:35:10.159 abbreviation. But before I go in, I read it, 00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:13.420 how it was, and then if I don't have what I needed, 00:35:13.619 --> 00:35:16.719 I go back and find the ones that I needed, come 00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:19.679 back, and then dive in. And then after finish, 00:35:20.320 --> 00:35:23.340 just jot it down, takes about a minute, then 00:35:23.340 --> 00:35:25.420 we'll take care of that. That is a great tip. 00:35:25.579 --> 00:35:29.829 I love it. The important thing is Whatever works 00:35:29.829 --> 00:35:33.130 for you do that you can get an app. You can have 00:35:33.130 --> 00:35:36.050 a notebook You can do that thing with the tape. 00:35:36.050 --> 00:35:39.829 I think is great I met with some beekeepers in 00:35:39.829 --> 00:35:43.550 Hawaii recently and They had this really cool 00:35:43.550 --> 00:35:46.989 setup They had a half a dozen hives in what looked 00:35:46.989 --> 00:35:51.269 like a big shed or a really small barn That didn't 00:35:51.269 --> 00:35:55.429 have walls on it. So basically it was a big cover 00:35:55.429 --> 00:35:58.949 to keep the rain off and that kind of thing and 00:35:58.949 --> 00:36:03.670 one wall of this bee house, I'll call it, was 00:36:03.670 --> 00:36:05.909 solid, and they had a great big whiteboard up 00:36:05.909 --> 00:36:08.690 on it. And then they had numbered each of their 00:36:08.690 --> 00:36:12.030 hives, and they just, when they were done with 00:36:12.030 --> 00:36:14.269 the bees that day, they would write notes up 00:36:14.269 --> 00:36:16.849 on this whiteboard, and that worked great for 00:36:16.849 --> 00:36:19.550 them. That doesn't work if you don't have a shelter 00:36:19.550 --> 00:36:22.670 thing like that, but whatever works for you, 00:36:23.030 --> 00:36:25.809 do it, yep, and just keep track. You know the 00:36:25.809 --> 00:36:29.710 pencil? you know carbon dating the pencil phase 00:36:29.710 --> 00:36:34.429 only half by 100 years so I see in the beginning 00:36:34.429 --> 00:36:38.230 I see I use the pencil and then start writing 00:36:38.230 --> 00:36:42.389 all the side of the box and I still have them 00:36:42.389 --> 00:36:46.489 then I read it oh my god this is what I did that's 00:36:46.489 --> 00:36:49.869 funny it just way to find keep track of things 00:36:49.869 --> 00:36:54.110 your your bees and then you keep up with which 00:36:54.110 --> 00:36:58.599 is very important All right, Song Lee, it's been 00:36:58.599 --> 00:37:01.360 a ton of fun. I can't wait to visit you next 00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:05.340 time I'm out in Northern California. And get 00:37:05.340 --> 00:37:08.579 some dry cleaner, honey. I hope that's not your 00:37:08.579 --> 00:37:13.780 brand. Well, thank you so much. It's been so 00:37:13.780 --> 00:37:17.059 much fun and pleasure, especially meeting you. 00:37:17.460 --> 00:37:22.579 You know how we met? Yes. We met just from Convention 00:37:22.579 --> 00:37:25.239 Center to the hotel. I didn't want to wait for 00:37:25.239 --> 00:37:30.019 the car, bus. Two gentlemen was walking. I said 00:37:30.019 --> 00:37:33.260 in the dark back to the hotels at the end of 00:37:33.260 --> 00:37:36.400 one of the days at the expo and we got chatting 00:37:36.400 --> 00:37:39.960 and one thing led to another. Yep here we are. 00:37:40.380 --> 00:37:43.719 Yeah anyway good to see you keep in touch. All 00:37:43.719 --> 00:37:48.940 right thank you so much. Thanks again for joining 00:37:48.940 --> 00:37:51.820 us on Bee Love Beekeeping presented by our great 00:37:51.820 --> 00:37:53.980 friends over at Man Lake. Hey and don't forget 00:37:53.980 --> 00:37:56.929 to order your bees! 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