in a world brimming with complexity few creatures
embody harmony like the honeybee with tireless
precision she dances from bloom to bloom each
motion guided by millennia upon millennia of
instinct each act in service to the whole and
then There are the beekeepers, watchful stewards
of this ancient symbiosis. Part agriscientist,
part poet, they move along their hives with the
efficiency of mow, levy and curly, tending to
the bees' needs as best they can comprehend,
and with the infrequency of a waterfall in the
Sahara, sometimes running off, flapping and flailing
like a penguin on a hot sidewalk. This is their
journey. Today, we're going back to Romania for
part two in our series about everything Apitherapy
with our guest, the world's leading authority
on Apitherapy, Dr. Stefan Stengacu, MD. In part
one, we learned all about propolis, proper honey
extraction for medical uses, selling honey as
a health product, and a ton more. If you haven't
heard it yet, it's just last week's episode.
It's number 250. Today we're diving deep on how
to use honey to treat burns, then we'll shift
gears and talk all about bee venom therapy, Lyme
disease, cancer, it's all coming up. And if you
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that button now. We really, really appreciate
it. Let's Dr. Stefan, let's jump back to honey
for just a minute. How should I use honey medicinally?
And by the way, I recently had experience using
it on a burn. Why don't you tell us about that
and some other things to use it for? Yes, very,
very good. So honey for health. So first, first
element. Honey is... it has very small amount
of water and you know has this hygroscopic power
like honey absorbs water. It absorbs also like
water in form of vapors like if you put honey
open in a refrigerator, a jar open, it will absorb
the aromas, the smells, the aromas from other
foods. So but basically honey absorbs water and
this is very good when you treat wounds because
in a wound you have dead cells kind of dirty
water bacteria and so on so this effect of honey
like absorbing it creates a kind of vacuum biochemical
vacuum if you want this is very very useful but
here is the the trick if you and some beekeepers
they tell to the customers take my honey before
breakfast on an empty stomach or take the pollen
on an empty stomach in the morning. And this
is a mistake because when honey lands on the
stomach mucosa, if that person didn't drink anything
since last evening, the stomach mucosa will be
more or less dehydrated, doesn't have enough
water. So when honey or pollen comes there, it
absorbs the water from the stomach mucosa. in
the stomach because I will become irritated.
So once it's irritated it causes pain or discomfort
in the stomach and that patient may take the
wrong conclusion that he or she is allergic to
honey. or it's intolerant to honey or to pollen.
And this is very bad because once such an idea
comes in the mind of a person, this person or
its lifetime will say, oh, I'm allergic to honey,
I'm allergic to honey. Then we'll tell to all
the neighbors, honey can give allergies to stomach.
Look, I got stomach pains. So how to take the
honey correctly before you take, in fact, any
bee product, honey, pollen, properties, bee bread,
royal jelly, you need to drink some water. So
you drink, like in the morning, before breakfast,
but you drink first water, let's say a glass
of water, half a glass of water. You wait five,
10 minutes for the stomach mucosa to absorb the
water. And then you take the B product, whatever
it is, honey, pollen, propolis, drudgery, whatever,
you put first under the tongue. When you keep
it there two, three, four, five minutes, why?
Because under the tongue we have special venules
and capillaries which are absorbing some of the
small components from the B products. They come
into the bloodstream and goes much quicker to
the areas where you have a problem. Let's say
kidneys or bones or joints. And then when you
keep the B product also under the tongue for
several minutes, in the case of propolis you
can keep it even one hour. The volatile from
these B products, which are in the mouth, through
breathing, these volatiles, they are absorbed
passively into the lungs. So you are doing much
better if you do the administration in the same
time sublingually. through the lungs, but also
when you swallow the product, it's like oral
administration. Get three ways to administer
the product if you keep it under the tank. Of
course, here is another practical tip. When you
take royal jelly, because royal jelly is very,
very acidic, it's like lemon juice, even more
acidic than lemon juice, I believe. This will
create a lot of saliva. be so acidic so we have
a lot of saliva in the mouth you cannot keep
it normally and then you have this tendency to
swallow quickly but the trick is to keep the
the chin a bit down like this you took the royal
jelly you keep the chin like this it will come
a lot of saliva in this area but you can resist
longer in this position than like this yeah okay
so honey like honey bee products to take like
this practically and then for the wounds, for
the burns. By the way, I'm an old guy. I'm already
65 years old. And a couple of years ago, I went
to a university. I said I would like to have
a PhD study. And my topic for my PhD study now
it's burns, bee products, medicinal plants against
burns. So it's a fascinating topic. And I give
to your audience, people know the best protocol
against the birds. which is the conclusion of
all my studies in the last years. So, first thing
to do when it comes to bird. Immediately, you
come with running water at body temperature or
room temperature. Not cold water, not hot water,
of course. Running water, room temperature. About
four or five minutes. And why? Because water
can absorb a lot of heat which was there in the
skin, in these tissues. This is the first step.
Second step is to, because here through the burn
in the skin there are a lot of free radicals
and also toxic substances are there, you need
to come to block immediately the free radicals.
And there are several options here. So one option
is to use water propolis extract. or to use honey.
But if you want to take honey to take out the
dead cells, a liquid honey will be good, like
acacia honey or any kind of honey which is fresh,
is good, is ecological, to take these dead cells.
And the propolis is the fastest to block the
free radicals. Once you block the free radicals,
first thing the patient will feel like when come
quickly with these two products they will have
not any more pain like the pain the huge pain
of the burn reduces very quickly in a couple
of minutes if you apply these products now a
very very important thing here is that when the
patient, they go regularly to the hospital. In
the hospitals, before they arrive to the hospital,
they get this perfusion for glucose and so on,
or water on the way to the hospital. And then
in the hospital, unfortunately, my colleagues,
they are making, I say it's a mistake. They use
some liquids. They put some liquids on the skin.
which are antibacterial or anti -inflammatory,
but they are not so good as our honey. What is
happening? You can destroy the bacteria, there
is no problem, but you want also to block the
free radicals, and these antibacterial agents
are not blocking the free radicals, so good like
honey and propolis, and also they are not helping
the regeneration. And now it's another very,
very important practical tip. Remember from the
school, from the physics, that the burning is
a process, it's a physical process, which is
allowed by the presence of oxygen. So, if you
keep the wound open, like in the hospitals, in
the bed of the hospitals, the oxygen continues
to come into the skin, and the burning process,
it's a very, very low kind of burning process,
continues. And then the patient next day has
a deeper burn than it was when he arrived to
the hospital. So the Chinese, I was lucky to
see a group of Chinese doctors. In Toronto in
1995, it was an international conference on apitherapy
and it were two Chinese doctors. And they said
that they have a special ointment based on honey,
propolis and two other ingredients. And they
were able to save the life of the patients even
in 95 % surface body burned, 95%. And they said
that the healing is almost without scars. And
their trick, I'm giving now the tip, is to put
big amount of honey on top. Not a small layer
of honey, but big amount of honey. Let's say
half a kilo of honey around this burn area. And
then to go around the honey with a thick layer
of bandage. So, and these two things blocks the
penetration of oxygen and stops the burning.
Yeah, so it's so logical. So simple plus I would
guess the bandage holds the honey in place So
it doesn't just run off, right? Okay, correct,
correct and creates a what is called a wet environment
in the last years doctors from all over the world
they understood that Healing of the wounds in
a wet or humid environment goes much better than
in a dry environment. Yeah so And then if you
continue to explain how it wears honey and propolis
on this area, so it's the first phase which is
to block the heat, then to block the oxidation.
This is done sooner or later. But then the mistake
in the hospitals is that they do not think to
the nutrition of the cells which are under this
burned area. These cells which are under the
burned area, they are blocked by an edema, a
swelling. Because the cells which are there under
the wound they do not want to allow bacteria
possible bacteria to come into the body to cause
an infection a septicemia and to kill the patient
so what are doing these cells which are under
the wound here they block the blood flow through
this edema but this creates a situation where
nobody wins The skin cannot be regenerated, the
bacteria maybe are kept under control by these
antibacteria, but the regeneration cannot happen
because these cells which are underneath, they
need vitamins, they need amino acids, they need
fats, enzymes and so on and so on to just regenerate.
And the beauty is in apitherapy that honey has
almost all these kind of nutrients. It's true,
it's a very small amount, like 5%. But when you
have honey topically on the wound, these 5 %
nutrients are enough to restart the regeneration.
And honey comes also with this vacuum effect.
So the healing, the regeneration of honey starts
much faster. And usually by helping all these
cells to regenerate, in most of the cases, the
healing is beautiful, no scars or very small
amount of scars are present. Amazing. All right,
if you don't mind, we're going to keep jumping
here. Let's get over to bee venom. And this could
be 10 hours too. But where do we start with where
do we start with bee venom? Yes, with bee venom,
we start, first of all, with the analysis of
the beekeeper. Let's let's speak about beekeepers.
There's a saying, it's much better to prevent
than to treat. So in the case of the venom, the
worst scenario is, of course, anaphylactic shock.
So here is my thinking. If somebody says, OK,
Dr. Stangaccio, I would like to start beekeeping.
So my first question to him is, do you have any
allergies? Do you have any allergies on antibiotics,
drugs, dust, whatever, whatever? If they say
that they have an allergy, the risk to get a
B -venom allergy is already 2 -3 times higher
than the rest of the population. If they say
that they have two or more allergies, not only
one, then the risk of having a B -venom allergy
is like 10 times higher. So first question, do
you have any allergies? If you have any allergies,
Then you need to go to the doctors, to naturopathic
doctors, to specialists in allergology and so
on and so on, and to see what are the causes
of the causes of this allergy tendency. Because
first step is to have a complete diagnostic of
your own body. You need to have a list of weaknesses
of your body. So if you have any weaknesses in
the heart, in the lungs, in the kidneys, in the
brain, whatever, you should not go into an APRE.
yeah so if you have such weaknesses you go first
to the medical doctors to naturopathic doctors
to osteopath whatever is needed to fix the problem
and then you come to the beast yeah so this first
step when i have a patient coming to me i says
dr tangacho i heard that these things are very
good very powerful against lime disease for example
i say yes it's true lime disease melitin from
the venom destroys very quickly this borrelia
But we cannot do 100 best things tomorrow on
your body because your body is not prepared to
receive such a huge stress. It's very powerful,
but it's stressful. So for the patients, what
we need to do, we are preparing the body, sorry,
the body and the mind of the patient for about
four to six weeks, which is first step is having
the diagnostic at all levels. physical, energetical,
functional, psycho -emotional, even spiritual,
complete diagnosis. The next step is to have
the complete list of causes of the causes, not
of the symptoms. Symptoms is very superficial.
List of all the causes of the causes. And then
when I have the list of, let's say, 30, 40 such
causes of the weaknesses, then I very carefully,
very calmly, I see, okay, what of these causes
I can neutralize. So this one I can improve,
this one I can improve, this one I can improve.
What I cannot improve, I go to the specialist,
to the therapist. So I need to eliminate all
these causes which are causing me weaknesses.
And then after this list of causes, I start usually
with the first big, big therapeutical method
is detox. you know, fasting, detoxification of
the body. This is all cultures, all religions,
all civilizations, all doctors all over the world.
In chronicle diseases especially, they speak
about detox and they recommend the patients to
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you know, laxative and so on and so on, but also
at an energetical level, because if somebody,
for example, is intoxicated by a lot of mass
media, a lot of TV, Instagram, Facebook and so
on, a lot of electricity around, even in the
bedroom, it's a kind of energetical intoxication.
And then you need to detox also the mind. because
the Chinese are saying for thousands of years,
the doctors, specialists in homeopathy, they
say for 200 years, most of the chronical diseases
comes from psycho -emotional disorders or these
balances. When you have too much hate, you are
too choleric or you have depression, you have
fear or worries and so on, this goes step by
step. from information mistake to biophysical
problem, then to biochemical problem, and then
goes to in the matter of the body, like in the
structure of the body. So complete diagnostic
at all these levels. You have the causes of the
causes, you do the detox. After you do the detox
a couple of days or a couple of weeks, depending
on the situation, with the help of a good naturopathic
doctor, you need to focus on improving the functioning
of those organs in the body which respond quickly
to the treatment. And these organs are the ones
which are in Chinese medicine, they are called
cavitary organs, like the stomach, the small
intestine, large intestine, urinary bladder,
gallbladder. They are dynamic organs. So this
is easier to correct with medicinal plants, with
bee products. And then you focus the next step
is on the regeneration of the heavy organs, like
liver, like kidneys, or like pancreas. So this
is the general strategy. And then you explain
to the patient, look, we need to do all these
things because we need to change your diet, your
lifestyle. We need to improve these things. And
then after, say, one to three weeks, you can
use some bee venom, but in form of bee venom
cream, not injections, not bee stings, because
the body is not prepared and the mind neither.
So, and then you start gradually, gradually.
After four to six weeks, you make another analysis.
And in many cases, by the way, in my experience,
when I started with apitherapy, in the first
years, I was jumping very quickly to bee stings
therapy or bee venom injections. But later during
the year with experience, I saw that if the patient
takes these measures, like cleansing, changing
the diet, no more McDonald's, no more Coca Cola,
Pepsi Cola, and so on and so on, like improving
the diet, improving the lifestyles, sleeping
better, then they already healing or they get
much improvement without need of bee stings.
So bee stings should be the last resort. If nothing
works I go to bee stings. Of course first micro
bee stings and I need to do the allergy test
and normally the patient like the beekeepers
too they need to go to an allergy specialist
and they need to do two tests. One is The blood
tests, they give the blood to analysis and they
need to check special antibodies which are called
immunoglobulin E, like E from Europe. Immunoglobulin
E is specific to B -venom and then second step
is like prick test, like direct test on the skin
with the B -venom in solution. This is the best
thing to do because you can know are you really
allergic or not. Then if these tests are okay,
both of them, then I can go slowly with the dose
from small dose to big dose. I have a graphic
here. In this graphic, this graphic is about
the dose because everybody asked about the dose,
what is the best dose of the B product. We have
here several B products which we can use in apitherapy.
First is the allergy test and then you increase
gradually the dose. and you look always to the
evolution of the patient. How are the symptoms
of the patient? When the symptoms of the patient
starts to disappear, to go out, and the blood
analysis and all the other analysis are improved,
it means that you have reached the what I call
healing dose. So, this one is variable, it's
not fixed, like every person is different. So,
they maybe needed different kind of quantities,
depending on the person, and also different kind
of time. So, some people they react quickly,
some need more time. But anyway, when the patient
arrives to the symptom -free situation, then
you stay on this dose. until the specialist in
the disease, if it's diabetes, it will be the
diabetologist, if it's the heart, it's the cardiologist,
the specialist should say, should confirm, yes,
the disease is healed or it's much improved.
And then when the specialist confirms that the
disease is improved or eliminated, then you can
diminish the dose. But here is the beauty in
apotherapy, because we do not go to zero. like
in the case of use of chemical drugs, cortisone
and so on and so on, we can remain on a preventative
dose, on a prevention dose. Because we use the
B products, we continue to use the B products
as foods. And here, from here to here, they are
used mainly as what we called nutraseuticals,
which means as nutrients and pharmaceutical products.
But here is mainly as a food, but preventative
food. This is the general schema for the doses,
and this can be applied in almost all diseases
or situations. The important part again is to
correlate the dose with the reaction of the body,
to listen to what the body says. And give us
just a quick rundown. You mentioned Lyme disease.
What other kinds of things might we use that
for? B -venom is very, very good because it stimulates
very powerfully the nervous system. So whenever
there are nervous system diseases like Parkinson's,
Alzheimer's, dementia, multiple sclerosis, or
peripheral neurological diseases like Lumbago,
sciatica, and so on, these neuralgias, right
the correct application use of the B -venom can
help a lot. The Russians many, many years ago
in the 50s, they already proved that B -venom,
B -stings, increases the blood flow in the brain
like two times more. Yeah, also the blood in
the coronaries around the heart, also two times
more. So, if you have already the patient has
a good diet, no more smoking, no alcohol, no
drugs, no constipation, good kidneys and so on
and so on. So, when the blood is clean, And then
you give propolis, royal jelly, pollen, you make
the blood not only clean but also rich in healing
substances. This blood which will come to the
area where it's a disease, a problem, will help
the healing much faster. So that's why you need
to have always this integrative approach, like
holistic approach. You need to treat the mind,
the body, every single part. Myself, I have had
two times discal hernia. with here on the back
with huge huge pains like second time my colleague
said Stefan come quickly to the hospital because
you'll get paralyzed if you stay at home because
we need to operate you. But I said, no, I'm a
medical doctor. I'm an AP therapy practitioner.
So I asked my wife to make injections with B
-venom. And in two weeks, I was out of this disc
hernia pains. So because B -venom, it's also
antispastic. And here is one explanation. When
the people have dyscalphernia, of course, not
very big, like the disc is not completely out,
when it's just at the beginning going out, the
muscles which are in that area, they get a kind
of panic because they think that this may go
too big and then the body will get a paralysis.
So the muscles which are around, they get spastic.
It's normal to be a bit spastic contracted for
a while to maintain the structure. But when they
become too spastic, they block the blood flow
in that area and blocking the blood flow or reducing
the blood flow or lymphatic flow. leads sooner
or later to accumulation of toxins, residues,
acids, because all the cells in that area, all
the cells they liberate, they free outside all
kind of toxins from normal metabolism of the
cells. And when these toxins are not washed away,
they cause acidity in the area and the acidity
are burning the nerve receptors and then they
get a lot of pain. When you come with B -venom,
you relax the muscles. you relax the muscles.
If you go to an acupuncturist, he'll use a very
big needle, goes into that muscle which is contracted,
and this method relaxes the muscle. And once
the muscle is relaxed, the blood flow is again
okay, and then the pain goes away. So this happens
in like 95 % of the cases. So B -venom is extraordinary
for the pains. And I remember one of our colleagues
in apitherapy from Spain, from Madrid. Pedro
Perez Gomez. He worked like 30 years and he was
doing practically his main activity was back
pains. All kind of back pains he was treating
with B -venom therapy. But there is another very
very interesting application of B -venom because
B -venom stimulates not only nervous system very
powerfully but also the cardiovascular system
because the heart must pump stronger. to run
away from an angry beehive, like Africanized
bees, for example. So the blood flow is improved
a lot. And here is the other big family of diseases
where you can help with the venom, arterial,
vascular. venous diseases like thrombangitis,
obliterants, burger disease, all kinds of arterial
problems you can treat with the right doses and
the right protocol of course. And then another
group of indications for B -venom are the bacterial
or viral diseases because B -venom destroys the
bacteria very quickly this melitin it's like
a knife with two endings and the melitin goes
into the membrane of the cell and it destroys
that membrane creates special pores but it's
interesting the same melitin on our normal cells
it doesn't do so much damage. In case of cancer
cell it causes like 24 holes in the medium and
the cell will be destroyed but on our human healthy
cells it creates only four such pores. So cancer,
it's another way of application. Of course, cancer
is extremely complex disease, so you need to
approach it from all points of view. You need
the cooperation of the oncologists and so on,
but it can be done. Speaking of cancer, I read
about a study not long ago in, I believe it was
in Australia, where they were doing some B -venom
injections in breast cancer. and saw really great
results from it. Do you know anything about that
particular study? Yes, yes, yes. It's a very
famous study and it circulates all over the internet.
It's translated in many languages. It's a very,
very good discovery. But the discovery, like
many other discoveries on the B products properties,
the test, the experiment was done on cancer cells
which were like in a petri dish, like in an isolated
environment. And then the cancer cells were attacked
directly by the melite, by the biveno. So when
it's such an effect, those cells cannot defend
themselves. So they are 100 % destroyed. And
this we see the same kind of result with propolis,
with royal jelly, with honey, and so on and so
on. But in the human body, it's completely other
story. Unfortunately, in the human body, the
immune system of the patient, if it's not improved,
or the blood flow is not improved, cancer will
come to other places or you cannot be treated
because there are so many causes which support
the cancer development and these causes, if you
do like very, very restrained, very small kind
of treatment, you cannot block all these causes.
If I have a patient with breast cancer, I would
go through all these methods I told you before,
like complete diagnosis, because one of the major
causes of the cancer is the lack of oxygen. It's
called hypoxia. So when in a certain tissue in
the body, it's not enough oxygen, the cells are
desperate for oxygen. So they'll turn their metabolism
from aerobic, like based on oxygen, to anaerobic,
based on carbohydrates, and then they go like
crazy. So the first thing to do if it's a patient
of cancer, is to improve the overall immune system
and overall blood flow and oxygenation because
you can have a treatment good here like surgery
or radiotherapy but then the patient will have
20 other tumors in the rest in other organs in
the body so you need to think very very deep
so you correct this oxygen element, you improve
the blood flow because this immune system cells,
some of them are against the cancer like killer
lymphocytes. They need a lot of energy, they
need water, they need antioxidants, they need
vitamins, and you need to provide all these things.
So you need to change the diet, to improve the
diet, to come with all the products, and you
go from many, many different points of view.
Of course, there are many other causes of cancer,
like depression, melancholy, sadness, and so
on, emotional causes, so we need to address all
these causes. Thanks again to Dr. Stefan. We're
wrapping up the year next week with the final
episode in our apotherapy series and you absolutely
won't want to miss it. Until then... Be sure
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