May I have your attention, please? The following
is not the real Jeff Fox review If you used to
think beekeeping would be an inexpensive hobby
You might be a beekeeper If you are convinced
your honey tastes better than any other in the
whole wide world. You might be a beekeeper. Okay,
let's do some simple math here. Now, if when
you run a financial analysis on what it really
costs to produce your honey, and it comes out
to $20 a jar, and you think you're getting rich
selling it for 15. Welcome, welcome to Be Love
Beekeeping presented by our good friends over
at Man Lake. Today our guest is Cindy Elsenbeck
from upstate New York and we'll be discussing
beekeeping with children. So if you're a parent,
grandparent, aunt, uncle, school teacher, you
name it, you'll get some great insights on how
to make beekeeping with the kids in your life
safe and fun. Before we jump into that, we have
some news bits from around the globe. First,
from Italy, headline, plants produce more nectar
when they hear bees buzzing, scientists find.
Okay, settle down, no jokes about plants not
having ears. Let's get into the research here
for a second. According to this new study, plants
can actually hear bees buzzing and serve up more
nectar when they're nearby. The research suggests
that plants are a more active partner than previously
thought in their symbiotic relationship with
pollinators. The behavior could be a survival
strategy that favors giving nectar and sugar
to bees over so -called nectar robbers that do
not offer plants any reproductive benefits. This
is growing evidence that both insects and plants
can sense and produce or transmit vibroacoustic
signals. said Professor Francesco Barbero, a
zoologist at the University of Turin, who led
the research. The findings add to the truly astonishing
multitude of ways that plants can perceive their
surroundings, including the presence of beneficial
and harmful insects, temperature, drought, and
wind. In the future, the team suggested, buzzing
noises could be used on farms as an environmentally
friendly way to enhance the pollination of crops.
While it's clear that buzzing sounds can trigger
nectar production, the scientists are now looking
into whether sounds from plants are being used
actively to draw in suitable pollinators. And
from Texas, a man is dead after bees swarm him
while mowing his lawn. So what happened here
is this guy's mowing his lawn, bees attack him,
He runs for his vehicle. They follow him into
it. He drives away, but there's bees in the car.
It causes him to crash. When police arrived at
the scene, they observed that the driver of the
vehicle was being swarmed by bees. So that's
inside the car. A witness said she saw the man
and his truck nearby. Then the next thing you
know, I look down and hear a loud boom and he's
in my parents front yard. The man later identified
as Stephen Daniel was mowing when he apparently
disturbed a large honeybee nest near an abandoned
building. Though he was still being attacked
by the bees, officers were able to get him out
of his truck and into an ambulance, at which
point he lost consciousness and he died at the
hospital a short time later. From Bulgaria? You
think the bee die -off here in the states is
bad. In Bulgaria this spring beekeepers have
reported 90 % mortality rates among their bees.
I'm not even going to say anything else about
that. All right, let's put smiles back on our
faces. We have a fun topic today. So let's get
right to it. Children and beekeeping. I would
love to welcome to the show today, Cindy Elsenbeck.
Cindy, good morning. How are you? Good morning,
Eric. I am fantastic. And you're in upstate New
York? Yes. Yep. Foothills of the Adirondacks.
Beautiful, beautiful country. It sounds beautiful.
Where is that from the Finger Lakes? Oh, probably
about four hours. Oh, it's a long ways. Okay.
Yeah. All right. That shows my ignorance and
geography today. So I've already embarrassed
myself, but I have been to the Finger Lakes region,
beautiful area, and I'll get out to your part
of the state next time. We're going to have fun
today because we're going to be talking about
involving kids, children in beekeeping. You're
an expert on the topic. Come on, admit it. Alright,
okay. I hate to use the word expert, but it is
something that I am passionate about and I've
been doing it since COVID. Fantastic. I want
to hear how did you get started in it? What made
you think, hey, I'm going to put kids in harm's
way? That was an unusual way of putting it. However,
it is more than putting them in harm's way. It's
more helping them to alleviate the fears that
children seem to have with honeybees that unfortunately
many times they get from the adults in our lives.
When I was gifted a beehive, nothing I ever thought
in my whole life that I would do. My son and
daughter -in -law and three granddaughters gave
me a beehive. And I said, oh, nice. And what
am I supposed to do with this? I took a year,
learned everything, touched bees, played with
bees, treated bees, you name it. And of course,
I fell madly in love with honeybees. And I love
children. It is just built in. It's who I am.
The year after I had been keeping bees, I said,
I need to share this amazing insect with kids.
So I contacted some schools and I started zooming
and I prepared PowerPoint presentations and thank
goodness for Zoom, I was able to share amazing
facts and pictures and stories about honeybees
and kids got so excited. That is awesome. When
did you start doing things in person with bees
and kids? As soon as I could. So as soon as I
started doing it with a mask on, so as soon as
schools opened back up, I was invited to come
in. Like I said, I started with a mask. Not my
favorite. I am a bit expressive and I like the
kids to be able to see my face. That's how I
started. So I would probably say 2022, as soon
as we were having some limited access. Prior
to that, though, I had some homeschool children
come over to my house and we did a garage education
session. And then we went out and I have kid
suits because as you already know, Eric, I have
grandchildren that are beekeepers as well. So
we took them out in the beehives and They did
a lot of observing and a couple of the older
ones wanted to hold a frame and they're well
protected. And it's just, it's just so much fun.
I love talking to kids about bees. Let's talk
about the fear first. Okay. If you were to guess
on percentages here, because kids are also super
curious, what percent are really sort of overcome
with fear versus some that have maybe too much
curiosity where they're not going to be safe.
And those that are in a good place in the middle,
like your perfect grandchildren. Thank you. I'm
going to say that there's at least 25 percent
that are really afraid. And it's one of the things
that I often ask when I get started. Sometimes
I hear things like not only are they afraid,
but they hate. bees. And it's that sting story.
And that's the elephant in the room. And I kind
of have to get to the sting story before I get
to too much else. Because once we get to questions
and answers, they all want to share their sting
story. So we don't want that to distract from
the importance and the excitement. So we do a
couple of sting stories, and we discuss that,
yes, indeed, honeybees sting, however. they are
way too busy collecting food for their family
to chase children around the yard and sting them.
So 25 % I would say are just either don't like
them at all or are terrified of them. Probably
about 50 % are okay with them and I'd say there's
if there is 25 % that are where my granddaughters
are, this is an amazing insect. There are classrooms
that I have visited more than once. I have gone
and seen the same group of children when they
were in first grade, second grade, third grade.
I just did their fourth grade presentation. Those
kids can't wait. There is no fear. They can't
wait to hear what I'm gonna tell them, what I'm
gonna show them. learn something new, and they
just love honeybees. So the sting is real, and
we're not going to say that it's not, and they
want to know if I've been stung, and I tell them,
yes, I have. But as we know, it's always my fault.
So we address it, but we get past it. And that
just reminds me, that is one of the most common
questions with any non beekeeper when they find
out you're a beekeepers. Do you get stung? Right.
Right. Oh, yes, I do. Well, of course. Right.
Of course. But we manage it. We manage it with
protective suits and smoke and things like that.
Exactly. It's not out of control. And then there
are some really weird people like me that do
a little stinging on purpose. And we have a whole
episode on apotherapy that people can go listen
to, but I find it fascinating. And I don't like
the pain, but I love the results from it. That
is not medical advice. That is just Eric's personal
experience here. I want to talk about the fear
just a little bit more. Do you very often run
into kids that... Were actually stung by something
else and call it a bee because that's what their
parents called it How do you educate on that?
So I would say go let's go back to percentages
I would say 95 % of the children that have been
stung have not been stung by a honeybee Anything
the flies and stings is a bee Adults, kids, it
doesn't matter. It's a bee and they put them
all in the bee. So in addition to keeping bees
and teaching about bees, I love to take pictures
of bees. So I have enlarged pictures of... many
wanna bees. So I have yellow jackets that look
an awful lot like a honeybee and wasps. And we
talk about the stinging insects and the difference
between the honeybee who is working for her family,
who's collecting that food, who is not, like
I said, not going to chase them and the wasp
who is actually a meat eater and is going to
possibly eat our little honeybee. And then there
is the sting issue. And most children surprisingly
know that honeybees die when they sting. So we
always bring that up. So if they sting, do you
really think that they want, if they die, do
you really think that they want to sting you?
If that is gonna be the end of their life. They
only do it if they're absolutely terrified. as
opposed to those other stinging insects, whose
stingers are like a pin instead of a fish hook,
and they can sting you as many times as they
want to. And sometimes it seems like they're
just having a bad day and they want to. Oh, it's
not just a bad day. I think sometimes they just
do it for fun. Just for funsies. Look at that
guy on his bicycle. This is what happens to me.
Let's go sting that guy five times. Yeah, I was
in my car just finished a bee presentation. All
of a sudden, I was like, ouch, did one of my
bees get out? No, it was a wasp stung me three
times in my own car. So what I tell children
is there are singing insects out there. And the
best defense is to not freak out, to not run,
to not flail your arms around, because whatever
it is is going to be intimidated. But most likely,
you are not being stung by a honeybee. Okay,
I like that. Let's talk protective gear for a
minute. When I work with new beekeepers, I recommend,
and this is just my personal thing, you get a
bee suit from head to toe. And you completely
wrap up, you have the thickest gloves you can
deal with and everything else, because if you
do that, that's going to help alleviate some
of your fear. The less fear and anxiety that
we have, then the less anxious the bees are going
to be. They're going to be calmer. We're calmer.
It's a whole circular thing here. Do you do the
same thing with children? Absolutely. And just
as a little aside, I do teach adult beekeeping
classes as well. And it's the same philosophy.
Do not watch people on YouTube with their hair
flowing in the breeze and a short sleeve shirt
scooping out handfuls of bees. Don't watch it
because they are singing insects. Like you said,
we want you to be comfortable. So especially
with children. So my granddaughters received
their first bee suits when they were four and
five. The two that are actively keeping bees.
I have five of them that like to go out in the
bees, but two are actively keeping bees. They
have their own hives. So it started with just
exactly that. From the ankles to the top of the
head, full suit, leather gloves. You would think
that teaching children to be calm in the bee
yard would be difficult. And maybe for some children
it might be. And so far I've been very fortunate.
I have not had an extremely anxious child who
is making a lot of noise or being overly active
in the bee yard. But they do incredibly well.
When you tell a child the bees can sense how
you're feeling. and they need you to be quiet
and to be slow. I am amazed by how well they
do inspecting the hives. And then the children
who are not mine, that we have friends of my
grandchildren come over. I guess I do homeschool
groups that come over. I have adults that come
over. Beekeeping is just so cool. They... Also,
some will come and hold a frame. When the granddaughters
come over, they go in their own hives, whatever
their temperament is, they know what we have
to do in those situations. When I bring a guest
over who doesn't know a lot about bees and maybe
is a little anxious, I'd pick that hive that,
you know, we all have that one that, boy, this
hive is just so sweet. This hive just... is always
easy going. I can go in here anytime and hardly
have to use smoke. And that's what I'm going
to use because it's going to be, again, that
much more memorable experience that is nice and
calm and pleasant, because that's what we want,
right? We want them to have a good time. So what
are some of the things that get them really into
it? That they just get loving it? And I'm thinking
of one off the top of my head while you're thinking.
I had a new bee last year come over this young
lady and I had a frame out and there was a bee
emerging right then and there. And I pointed
it out and that was like, wow, that's so cool
to see that happening. What kinds of things turn
on kids like that? Yeah, the visual is definite.
Kids... love to see bees actually being bees.
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is just a single frame observation hive that
I can easily take into classrooms. And the kids
will spend, and I keep it covered up until the
end of what we need to talk about or what I'd
like to talk about, what I'd like to share with
them. Because once I take the cover off that
observation hive, it is like a magnet. And it
is, oh, look at this one. Sometimes, so. I always
clean my observation hive before I go. Maybe
there's a little piece of paper towel in there.
Well, here's a honeybee carrying around a piece
of paper towel. Here's a worse one. This just
happened last week. Somebody must have gotten
pinched in the door when I shut it and screwed
it tight because there was a bee carrying around
another bee body part. The kids are not upset
or freaking out. They're amazed. And of course,
the poor little girl, she's working, trying to
find her way to do her job to get that body part
removed. And she can't find out. They feel bad
because she can't complete her job. And they
wonder why she keeps going. And I tell them it's
because her job is to take dead bees out of the
hive. I do not bring my queen. I leave her home.
Sometimes I'll mark a drone just so they have
something to find. And they like that. That's
one of the first questions they always ask is,
where's the queen? I want to find the queen.
So it is fun to have something for them to be
able to find. They've had the same experience.
They see bees emerging, capped brood. I don't
like to bring a lot of that. In the summertime,
it's OK. But this time of year, it's a little
cool. I don't like to have them leave home. They
just sit and watch. So then I've kicked it up
a notch. I have a living observation hive in
an elementary school. So I found this grant through
the Bee Cause, and I said, oh, I love kids. I
want to put a bee hive in a school. What school
is ever going to let me put live bees in a school?
Well, I found one. And not only put live bees
in, but drill a hole through an outside wall
in a building? No problem. It's on the second
floor outside the library, which is perfect.
And I am able to teach the kids. We usually do
second and third grade, because that's when they're
learning about insects and life cycle. And then
they can go out and see the bees. They also see
them many times during the day. The cool thing
about the observation hive is we all know honey
bees build wax wherever they can, right? There's
a spot, oh, let's put some wax here. So of course,
they put wax on the plexiglass. and the kids
can see inside the cells as the life cycle progresses.
It is amazing. They get to see the waggle dance.
They can find the queen, and hopefully they do.
So it's eight frames double -sided. It's just
the coolest thing. So I've seen a lot of portable
observation hives. Explain a little bit more
about this permanent one that you have at the
school. What does it look like? How does it attach?
Did you just take one wall off of the box and
have that be plexiglass? Tell me what's going
on here. Yeah, so it is up and down. It is eight,
so it's four. frames, one on top of the other.
They slide into grooves. And then the other side
are four more frames that slide into grooves.
So you have frame side back to back. So you can
only see one side of the frame. You can't see
what's going on in the middle. And then outside
is plexiglass, and it's all screwed tight. It's
safe. They cannot get out. There's vents on the
side. There's a hole at the top to put in sugar
syrup if you need to. Tray in the bottom. for
Varroa mite to fall into. And then there's a
hole that's drilled through the wall. And there's
a tube that the bees, it's not really a tube,
it's a short space actually, where they come
and go. There's a little porch, that's what I
call a porch, a little landing right outside
this hole. And the hive is on a bracket that
swivels. So they can look at one side and they
can look at the other. And when they're not using
it, it has a quilted cover that keeps it because
we know honey bees work in the dark. So it keeps
it covered. It's in a place that is warm enough.
They get to see the progression. So you know
how we talk about, so now all of a sudden they
start bringing in nectar and they make honey.
All of a sudden they're seeing frames that are
honey. It is just amazing. Right outside there's
a door that goes out onto the roof, which is
perfect. It's a flat roof. So... I can take that
observation hive outside. You can block the entrance.
I have two friends that help me because it is
heavy. And we don't want them to swarm, if at
all possible. So we can take that out and we
can pull some frames of brood, just like we were
going to do a split in one of our eight -frame
hives. beehives at home so we can pull some of
that brood, put in some empty frames and potentially
prevent them from swarming. So it's managed very
similar to an eight frame beehive that we might
have, except we can't add honey supers. Do you
have a picture you can send? Absolutely. Of course
you have pictures. You said you take bee pictures
too. Go ahead and send a picture. We'll figure
out how to post this maybe to our Instagram page
or something like that. All right, you got it.
That will be fun. I will be happy to. How about
an awkward topic? How do you explain to these
kids about drones and exactly what their life
is all about? I knew that's what you were going
to say because it always comes up, right? So
I want My sessions to be interactive. I don't
want to stand up there and talk at kids I want
it to be so I'll go in saying oh, we're gonna
talk about life cycle next thing I know we're
doing pollination and we're doing this It's just
like, you know, we talked about with your podcast.
Let's go with wherever it goes So I always talk
about who lives inside the hive Everybody seems
to know there's a queen and that it has to be
a queen and there's one we're good with it Then
we get to the next two members And the first
question I ask is who do you think does most
of the work in the beehive? If you think the
boys, I always do the boys first because guess
what? That's who they think does most of the
work. So I say, who thinks, you know, boys do
most of the work? Most of the children raise
their hand. And then who thinks the girls do
most of the work? And we get a few, and then
I raise my hand. And I tell them that not only
do the girls do most of the work, they literally
do all of the work. And we go through. absolutely
everything, but the big things of taking care
of the babies and making the home and bringing
home the groceries. That's when I talk to kids,
I say, no, but the flower is a grocery store
for honeybees and they bring home the groceries.
Before I even get to say anything about boy bees,
hands go up. So if the girls do all the work,
what's the boy bee do? and you know it's coming.
So without getting into detail, I tell them that
as we all know, you need a boy and a girl for
there to be babies. So the boy's job is so that
the queen can have babies. Now if I'm talking
to adults, I can go into more details, but with
kids, I leave it pretty simple as that. I try
to find a positive spin on our drone. So I will
say things like in the spring, their bodies are
a little bigger, so they may help keep the hive
a little bit warmer in the spring. And then we
talk about how long do bees live. So when we
talk about what happens to the boy bees in the
fall, the young men seem to get a little... upset,
and some of the girls as well, that the poor
drones get kicked out, but I assure them that
when the queen starts laying in the spring, not
to worry, well actually starts laying in the
winter, not to worry, she is going to start laying
boys first. They are needed. They are important
to the hive. They just don't do much work. Like
I say, they're the teenagers in the basement
playing video games, going out drinking with
their buddies. You got it. Yep. I want to hear
more about your granddaughters. How old are they
and how is this affecting the grandmother -granddaughter
relationship? Oh, there have been so many positive
things from this, Eric, that it's Just amazing.
So they are currently 11 and 10. There's about
a year and a half between them. So the one just
turned 10 and they have been in the bee yard
since they were four and five. One of my favorite
pictures is one of the older granddaughter who
at the time was five. When you get excited about
something, you can easily transfer that to other
people. So after spending a year learning about
bees, I shared, I shared, I shared. How exciting,
how wonderful. So it's time to go out in the
bees. They're all suited up. They've got their
boots on over the bottoms of their pants. They've
got their gloves on, little tiny peanuts, and
out we go. The older one, the only thing she
wanted to do was feed the bees. I just want to
feed the bees. And to this day, her favorite
thing is watching her bees and caring for them.
So she goes out. This was an installation. We
installed a nuc. They came out and they watched.
They did pick up some frames that didn't have
as many bees on them. So the five -year -old
picks up a dandelion. and she stands there and
don't you know a bee comes and lands on that
dandelion and that is my favorite picture of
this five -year -old so proud holding this dandelion
that it's just it's mind -boggling they open
their mouth that they're 10 and 11, so last year,
9 and 10, they, without assistance, open their
hives. They inspect their hives. They need a
little help taking honey supers off, but so do
I some days. But the one of my granddaughter's
hives had swarmed. And so I told her they love
to find their queen. So I said to her, don't
even worry. That queen is not marked. Haven't
had a chance to mark her yet. Don't even worry
about finding your queen. Look for signs that
she's there. Look for your eggs and your larva.
So I have both of them. So I'm kind of going
between hives because I want to show me things
and ask me things. So all of a sudden she goes,
oh, I found my queen. I said, no. No, you didn't.
Because it's not marked, you can't. So I go about
helping the others. Really, I'm really sure this
is my queen. So I go over, sure enough, there
she had found her unmarked queen. They are incredible.
And our relationship is just phenomenal. They,
when I go to their classes, they get to help
talk. They are excited that I come. They are
proud of me. So this past January, my 11 -year
-old was chosen to go to the North American Honey
Bee Expo as scholarship for next gen. So that's
our relationship. It was the most amazing time.
And she was so excited, just the two of us. got
to go and visit the vendors and listen to speakers
and oh oh we have to sit in the front row she
says because you know we don't want to miss anything
amazing it is just it's wonderful and that same
little girl when she graduated from pre -k she
literally crawled down the aisle because she
didn't like anybody looking at her. She now does
presentations in front of her class. It has built
her self -esteem, her confidence. I'm telling
you, getting your kids excited about bees, it's
a great thing. And this certainly isn't just
grandparents and grandchildren. This is parents
and your children. And I'm sure we could think
of a lot of other relationships, too. But I think
it's brought probably a new level of closeness
that you would not have had otherwise. Yep. And
someday in the very, very distant future, you're
going to be gone and guess where your grandkids
are going to remember the most. Right. I think
so. I think so, too. I agree. All right. Couple
more things before I let you go. I want to hear
a wild and crazy beekeeping story. You are a
fun person, which means you probably have 50
of them. Give us one or two. All right. Oh, two.
Good. OK. So I'll tell you my first since I get
to do two. So the first one is not as crazy as
the second one, but it's pretty hysterical. So
I wanted an observation hive. So I'm getting
to go to schools and I want to bring my bees,
right? Because we already talked about how much
kids love seeing bees and watching them. So I
need an observation hive. So Jim too has directions
online for free to build an observation hive.
So my husband's pretty crafty. So I gave him
said instructions and I said, build me this observation
hive. So he did. and he's up, yeah, I'm just,
I'm not crazy about how it came out. I'm not
sure that this is really gonna be, I said, it's
fine, it's fine. So I go out, pull a frame of
bees, I put it in, I shut it up, I... Take it
back up to the garage as I get up there. Bees
are pouring out of this thing left and right.
Hundreds of bees are just pouring out of this
and I'm freaking out. Not because the bees are
pouring out because I want to show the kids.
So I'm grab the duct tape. I'm duct taping the
thing around and around. I probably ended up
with about 100 bees still in there and the children
did see them and they enjoyed it, but. We ordered
an observation hive online and it's been much
better than mine. My poor husband tried very
nicely to create. By the way, as a beekeeper,
if you have never had an experience of driving
with a car or truck full of bees flying around,
you're not there yet. All their level. All right,
go ahead. Story number two. So the other one,
again, it involved children. So I had a presentation
in the morning, nine thirty. I had to be there
at nine thirty. So I wanted to wait until the
very last minute to get the bees out of the hive,
because we know that the morning they're not
morning insects. That's not their time of day.
So I was dressed and ready to go. So put on my
jacket. put on my gloves and lit my smoker. Now,
I happen to be wearing black capris, and capris
may not be as popular anymore. They're kind of
a cross between a short and a pant, and they
were black. But, you know, I had on a yellow
top, you know, I gotta, you know, look the part
here. So I go out to the beehive and I take off
the outer cover and... instantly greeted by thousands
of little faces. So I smoked them. Well, oh darn,
that smoker went out. Oh, I said to myself, that's
okay. I'm just gonna pull one frame. I really
don't need that smoker. So a few more bees came
out and at this point I got a couple of stings
on top of my hand through my gloves. I wear nitrile
gloves at this point of my beekeeping career.
Took a couple of stings, but again, you know,
it's for the kids. So I'm not done. I'm not going
to give up yet. So I pull out a frame. Well,
with that, anger ensued and the backs of my calves
got stung. And I did what I tell children never
to do. I ran like a fool to the house, flailing
my arms, being chased by thousands of bees. Well,
probably not. But you know how it seems like
at the time. It seems like that. So I get up
to the house. They don't follow me into the garage.
So what did I do? I lit my smoker. I went back
out and I got that frame of me. Put it in my
observation while I took it. Determination. And
I have learned now that it's probably better
to grab that frame of bees in the afternoon and
let them sit in the nice garage just overnight
than try to risk doing it in the morning again.
Oh, it's fun to learn all these lessons, isn't
it? Hey, any last minute advice for parents,
grandparents, aunts, uncles, teachers that want
to work with kids? Get them interested. Show
them the amazing thing that are honey bees children
are Just blown away when they find out that that
honeycomb is made from wax that the bees actually
make on their own bodies that They don't have
a nose yet. They have an incredible sense of
smell That they don't have ears yet. They can
communicate with vibration the amazing things
that are Part of a honeybee are incredible things
to share with children. And when they become
amazed, they become much less afraid. Great way
to put it. Cindy, thank you so much for being
on the show. And you know what? Thank you for
reaching out to me and offering to be on the
show just to let everybody know out there. If
you're a plain old beekeeper or have a fun story.
or want to chit chat about bees, hey, I'm always
here. Shoot me an email. You can find all that
in the show notes and on the website. And we
would love to hear from you. And thanks again,
Cindy. Thank you, Eric. It was my pleasure to
be here. And I just hope that everyone has a
great day. And we always remember to be happy.
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