May I have your attention, please? The following
is not the real Jeff Fox release. If you have
ever referred to a presidential election as a
super seizure, you might be a beekeeper. If you
do more splits than a gymnast, You might be a
beekeeper. If you wash your bee suit once a year,
whether it needs it or not, you definitely might
be a beekeeper. Welcome, welcome to Be Love Beekeeping
presented by our good friends at Man Lake. Today
our guest is John Smith from Oklahoma and we'll
be discussing his experience in both commercial
and hobby beekeeping, how he got started, and
his beekeeping in many different parts of the
country. But before we jump into that, a listener
recently sent in his wild and crazy beekeeping
story that really cracked me up. Some of us can
maybe relate to this. He's a little too shy to
come on the podcast, so please bear with me as
I read it. It's pretty long, but here we go.
Okay, just to give you a little bit of background
here, we're going to find so many mistakes going
on in this story. The first of one being he and
his wife live next door to their in -laws. Okay,
so here's what's going on. The in -laws got into
beekeeping. He's been into beekeeping much longer
than them. He knows a lot more about it than
they do. They have lost hives over winter and
there's only one hive left between the two of
them. The in -laws think they know it all. They
think he knows nothing. All right, there's your
setup. Mother's Day weekend, he was thinking,
I have got to get into my hive. I've got to see
what's going on there, check on it. But he just
hadn't got around to it yet. And at the dinner
table with the in -laws, mother -in -law says,
oh, why don't we check on the bees tonight? He
thought, that sounds really strange. You shouldn't
go into a bee hive at night. That never happens.
and nobody talks about it again for a while so
later on in the evening he puts the kids to bed
and then at nine o 'clock he gets a call saying
hey we're going to check your hive come on over
oh he's thinking this is a big mistake but he
grabs his veil he grabs his big gloves and he
runs over he doesn't take time to get a smoker
or his full b -suit now in his words yep they're
in my hive father -in -law with a veil, mother
-in -law has nothing on for protective clothing,
but of course she wasn't going to be handling
the frames. I look around for their supplies.
No smoker anywhere. I think to myself this is
going to be fun. The feeder is still on and they're
taking it off to get to the frames. They get
one frame out and check it. The comb is building
out away from the foundation in a way that they
don't like. I say something about it but they
ignore me and then comment how their bees hadn't
done that because they used wax foundation. They
put it back in without fixing the comb. I just
let them keep walking into their disaster. They
pull another frame closer to the center. it looks
good has some brood my mother -in -law is all
high and mighty i don't like how little brood
there is that's not good so this is just the
first of five frames that had come with the nuke
so it's fine they pull another one from the outside
but on the other side to see the build out and
i'm all thinking good they're going to rush this
because they can tell the bees are getting agitated
I've now got bees checking me out, starting to
get mad, and I'm off to the side. They put the
frame back in. My mother -in -law wants to check
for brood in the middle. I think, uh -oh, this
is going to be the last straw for the bees. They
pull up the frame. My mother -in -law gets in
there. No veil. pointing her flashlight to see
them. She says the brood looks good now, but
I can see the bees start to swarm angrily and
they're starting to land on her. Suddenly she
is backing away from the hive. My father -in
-law, who I think can tell something is wrong
with the hive's behavior, now is yelling that
he can't see to pull the frame as she left him
with no light. I'm told angrily by my father
-in -law, you need to get in there. You have
a veil and gloves. Now this is only because I
was semi -prepared. I grab the flashlight from
her, step in, hold the light knowing full well
what they've done and that I'm gonna get stung.
I watch in horror as my father -in -law insists
on pulling another frame to check for brood and
pollen. I can see him starting to get stung in
earnest now. No smoke to mask the smell pheromones
telling the other bees to attack. I know this
is only going to escalate. I've got them landing
on me, trying to find flesh to sting. I have
a good two inch gap between my gloves and my
short sleeves, so keeping the light steady for
him is not my priority as I try to keep from
getting that first sting, which I know will compound
quickly without smoke. He puts the frame back
in while yelling about light. I finally just
tell him to close the hive. He puts the top feeder
back on. I start casting my eyes about looking
frantically for whoever has the syrup to refill
it. My brother -in -law, who I didn't know was
there, has run off with it. Wanting to not make
this a complete waste, I chase him down, then
risk going back in to refill the feeder, which
really was all I originally thought we were going
to do. But alas, that doesn't help when they're
already out of the hive trying to sting us. I
fill the feeder about two -thirds full as I can
tell the bees are in full attack mode now. I
can see my father -in -law has a half dozen stings
already but puts the lid fully on while smacking
at his exposed skin and screaming about how the
bees have gotten inside his veil. Turning to
run, I realize a bee is under my veil also. I
can feel it climbing on my nose. While I'm booking
it away from the hive, I swipe away the bee and
feel the veil catch and roll the bee. The buzz
has stopped. I got her. I think triumphantly,
knowing that they're going to follow more intently
if I get that first sting. Thinking that the
idiots and onlookers would realize that they
need to vacate the area also, I don't say anything
too assertive for them to leave the area as I
approach. The bee is back! I hadn't killed it
after all. I smack my nose, knocking my glasses
and veil off, but it heroically stings me right
next to my nose and way too close to my eye.
My mother -in -law is now screaming about one
in her hair, but she and the onlookers have stopped
some 15 feet from the hive to check each other
for bees. I tell my wife to get farther away
and to follow me. She's now decided it's a good
time to tell me that I need to make sure I got
all the bees off of me before going back into
the house. My in -law's house is up the hill
in the other direction, so I assume that they've
listened and left. At 40 feet I'm still feeling
two or three bees on me. I feel another one land
and it instantly stings me on the jawline. I
arrive back at my deck which has a good light
on and check myself for bees. Suddenly my three
-year -old having heard that we were checking
the bees comes out of the back door having changed
out of his jammies and into shorts and a t -shirt
he announces triumphantly he has come to help
with the bees. He had received explicit instructions
to stay in bed as the bees would likely get really
mad. I send him tersely back into the house,
knowing I more than likely have some on me. He's
now crying because he wants to help and I won't
let him. Getting him through the door, I return
to inspect myself. He now has his nose pressed
to the glass, sobbing, so I ask my wife to comfort
him as I kill another bee before I get stung
by it. Disposing of yet another bee, I cast about
myself looking for her but she is nowhere to
be found. Yep, she's still back with the others
standing 15 feet from the hive and swatting themselves.
Convinced I'm now bee free, I go inside the house
to console my son and get him to start walking
back to bed. When my wife comes in, five minutes
later, I rhetorically ask, where did you go?
Dumbfounded, she replies, We were all checking
each other for bees. I had gotten stung farther
away from the hive than where they had been standing.
My father -in -law got at least a dozen stings.
I'm sure most of those after we had closed the
hive. A few got his face too. All right, final
chapter here. Later that night they called and
told us how they now believe in smoke and they
were going to double check. on their impression
that night was maybe not the best time to check
the hive. Also mentioning to my wife that they
were looking to buy at least one full bee suit
now. Okay, lots of lessons learned. Now, what
do you say we get to our guest? I'd like to welcome
to the show today John Smith, and that is your
real name, isn't it John? Yes it is. Thank God
it's not John Doe. And you're in Oklahoma. And
so, hey, welcome to the Midwest, everybody. Yep,
Oklahoma, south of Oklahoma City. Do you have
kind of crazy winters there as far as beekeeping?
Overall, it doesn't really get all that cold
mid teens. And, you know, we might get lows down
to just below zero, but very rarely. is that
the case? Unfortunately, we get ice. So overall,
the winters aren't terrible, but you got to deal
with the ice. So. Yeah, they do sound pretty
rough. Hey, when you and I were talking earlier,
I found it interesting that you had done beekeeping
in a number of different locations, including
Texas, Arizona, Florida, Wisconsin, Minnesota.
now Oklahoma. And I believe, correct me if I'm
wrong, you worked for a commercial beekeeper
for a time? Yeah, so I worked for a commercial
beekeeper about two years after I started beekeeping
in 2010. and I worked for a person who he had
approximately 10 ,000 hives and I got to learn
the kind of the pollination routes and kind of
the commercial style of beekeeping. Well the
first thing that I want to learn from you and
we're going to talk about all kinds of topics
today by the way including wild and crazy beekeeping
stories that's where you and I first met. But
I'd like to hear what it's like when you're working
for a commercial beekeeper. What is a year like?
Like, what are you doing in September? What are
you doing in November? What are you doing in
March, April, May, that kind of thing? Would
you just sort of take us through the calendar?
Yeah. So typically honey harvest is in August.
And August, early September, mite treatments
go in right after the honey harvest. So that's
kind of where we decide, are these guys queenless?
Are they small? Did they swarm? That type of
stuff. So around that period of time, August,
September. That's that's kind of where I don't
know if you've ever listened to Bob Binney But
he says your season starts in August and that's
kind of one of the things I learned so getting
the mites under control testing so on and so
forth by Around this is this is for Wisconsin,
Minnesota. So by around middle of November they
will get loaded onto a trailer and hauled down
south whether it be Florida or Texas was typically
where I went And then you more or less start
feeding the heck out of them by middle of December
and testing for mites, keeping everything like
that under control. And then we would load them
up end of January, beginning of February, and
then they would go over to California. I've only
pollinated almonds in California. beginning of
March ish somewhere in that area sometimes it's
a little later they would get loaded back up
and hauled back to Texas or Florida where we
would go on ahead and we'd start splitting and
making nukes up and then from there they would
either go on to different pollination contracts
or they would go back to Wisconsin Minnesota
back where back home and then you basically you
know get them up there in April Mayesh and take
them out to your outyards. Make sure they're
good on mites and whatnot if you need to retreat.
Typically we used Apivar in the fall more commonly
and we used Formic in the spring because it gave
you a little better knockdown. But usually if
you keep the mites low all year you don't really
run into too much trouble. Then you just repeat,
you harvest, you put boxes out throughout June,
July and pull them in August, September. It's
a full -time job. Yeah, beekeepers are the hardest
working people, especially the commercial beekeepers.
Yeah, I don't envy that. I wanted to stress one
of the first things that you said, and that was
making sure that the mites were under control
starting early, like in August, something like
that. And I know a lot of beekeepers have made
the mistake that I have too, going, oh. I'll
check before winter because I don't want mites
in winter. And so come October, yep, got mites.
Let's put some treatment on now. And folks, you
got to start a lot earlier than that. Keep them
under control. In fact, all year long, keep them
under control. Yeah. And one thing I will say,
that was my biggest, that was the best thing
I learned from going from just a hobbyist. to
a sideliner is working with a commercial outfit
to where they were very critical upon keeping
the mite numbers low. If we had 2 % mite counts,
that was way too high, basically. So they were
very critical on that. And it was always taken
into account that if you've got sick bees, they're
never going to be very productive. And that's
what I've seen, too. Then at what point did you
decide, hey, instead of working for this great
company, I think I want to do some of this on
my own and become a sideliner? How many hives
did you get up to? 2010, I started with two hives.
In spring of 2011, I had lost both of them. I
would say failure to treat and failure to feed.
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$100 purchase. Then 2011, I think I bought five
packages and I was started working with the commercial
operation a little bit, you know, just helping,
helping in the spring split and stuff like that.
Cause I was, I was wanting to learn a lot. And
by 2013, I believe I had around 50 colonies that
I had 2014. And by this point I had had very
good results. I was coming out of winter with
a 10 % loss, you know, a 10 % loss rate. So I
had very good results. And I went from around
50 up to 200, 250, somewhere in that range. And
then I started working with the commercial beekeeper
more and we were basically just including my
yards into his rounds. And he got me into pollination
around the 2013ish, 2014 mark. And that's kind
of where I did that for another five years. You
jumped in pretty fast. Do you recommend that
for other people? If you have a good mentor,
I don't think it's a problem. If you're just
going in it alone, I would suggest against it
because I got a lot of breaks in regards to somebody
who they would buy a truckload of equipment so
I could get commercial prices on all my equipment.
And I also had knowledge if I wanted to ask a
question or I was pondering an idea, I could
just shoot a text or give my mentor a call and
he would be more than happy to help me in any
way, shape or form. And that's the same way with
like queens and whatnot too. I raise them as
well and I did supply myself and some of his
queens as well. So we all kind of work together.
Let's talk about queens. As long as you brought
up queens, let's talk about that a little bit.
I know you have some experience raising queens.
What kind of method do you like to use? Tell
me a little bit about your preferences and also
the kind of breeds you like. So I mostly did
Carniolans and Italians. They were mutts by the
time I got done with them, or they made it and
whatnot. But Carniolans and Italians were the
most popular. And I would basically start grafting
the end of middle of May, end of May. I used
starter finishers. I did not move the cells from
a starter to a finisher. I made all my mating
nukes and stuff like that. You know, I did all
that stuff. I would actually, what I would do
is I would take an actual five frame nuke and
run a little piece of half inch plywood, dado
that out. And then I had my nukes that when I
was done with them, I could just pull that out
and it was a nuke again. I only run approximately
150 to like 250 queens a year, but that was to
satisfy myself and my local beekeeping clubs.
Realistically what it takes, this was a learning
experience, strong hives. You want to, for your
starters and your finishers, they need to be
strong. I would usually do it in 10 frame boxes
and I would be swapping out frames of brood,
capped brood would have eight or nine frames
of caproot in a hive at all times. There were
too many bees in the box, basically, is how it
played out. I could easily start and finish 50
cells in that colony every about two weeks -ish.
I think a queen emerges on day 16. So I would
swap them out about every 12 to 13 days. Okay.
Wow. You're cooking through this stuff, John.
What else do you think would be important for
people to learn about from your experience? Grow
with your bees would probably be my biggest suggestion.
Uh, I know when I first got started, I had a
mentality of like, I wanted to, you know, I wanted
to be a commercial beekeeper and have a thousand
colonies or that type of stuff. It's not really
worth it to do that. In my opinion, I grew very
fast. You know, I went from 10 to 50 in a year
and that's, that's a big jump. But if you grow
with your bees, and you know you double every
year, it doesn't take you very long to get to
250 or 300. So that's what I would suggest is
growing with your bees and if you can, go work
with a commercial beekeeper for a year or two
if you're interested in that type of stuff because
they are such a plethora of knowledge that you
really don't. you can't get unless you're working
with them. You can read books and watch videos,
but it's different than hands -on, being out
there, seeing the sights and all that type of
stuff. Did you find that some of the things that
you learned just came with experience? I'm thinking,
for example, If you've got a hobbyist, a fairly
new beekeeper and they're in their hives for
maybe they've got two hives. And so they're in
there for an hour a month or something like that.
I mean, they're going to have a hard time finding
a queen. They're going to have a hard time spotting
problems, things like that. What kinds of things
can you learn by being in hives all day every
day? Well, one thing you can learn, in my opinion,
which is very important as well, is you don't
need to see the queen. Like, I know that's a
big thing with new people, because I've taught
quite a few people, family members included,
about they want to get into bees. And that's
great. I always suggest that they do it. But
when they say, oh, you know, I don't see the
queen or I can't find her. And I said, well,
do you see eggs and larvae? Are they making the
roar, the queenless roar? and usually if they
say well no I see eggs and I see larva and stuff
I'm like well she's in there just you don't need
to see her you know she's doing her job and you
just let her be because too many people will
go through and manipulate frames and unintentionally
cause harm when it's really unnecessary and that
was one thing I learned I personally don't rip
into a hive any farther than if I see a few eggs
that's fine that's all the more I need to see
Yeah, I would suggest don't be in the hives too
much and look at the signs around the hive to
see if they're looking for queens and whatnot.
I've heard the term over -inspecting. There's
under -inspecting and over -inspecting. We need
some kind of a nice balance right in the middle.
Yeah, the over -inspecting is just as bad, if
not worse, in my opinion. Yeah. Because then
you get bees that are mad at you, and then you
get stung, and a bad experience leaves a bad
taste. Well, you're ripping their house apart.
You're probably smoking them to death. It's going
to put them back every time you get in there.
So you need to have a good reason and a plan
every time you get in. I couldn't have said it
better myself. Hey, I'm just curious, if you
don't mind, why did you decide not to be a commercial
beekeeper? Why did I consider not to be? That's
a question I've asked myself too. Realistically,
I didn't like the management aspect of it more
than anything. That was the worst part. I really
liked being in the bee yard and working with
the bees. I didn't like having to set up locations
and having to buy stuff and having to pay your
employees and stuff like that. And that's the
main reason why. Overall, I'm more of the type
of person who would much rather be in the bee
yard working with the bees than sitting behind
a desk and on a telephone talking to clients
and talking to customers and stuff like that.
All right. The first time you and I talked, you
were telling me about an experience that you
had with some very hot queens. Okay. Let's put
that in perspective. We're talking about beekeeping
here when we're talking about hot queens. Tell
me what was going on. This was one of those wild
and crazy stories. Okay. Well, uh, so it was
middle of March ish and I got a telephone call
from my mentor and mind you, I'm a thousand miles
away and he says, Hey, I'm going to need your
help. And I was like, Oh, okay. Well, you know,
what, what do we need? He's like, can you be
down to Houston by tomorrow? And I'm like, Yeah,
I can. So I got on a plane and then I flew down
there and I figured out that he, we were talking
back and forth and he had approximately 700 splits
that were way too aggressive. They were bad.
You couldn't, you couldn't be in the bee yard
without getting just mauled to death. So I was
talking to him and I had never worked with really
hot bees before. And he, you know, we were sitting
in the truck. I remember that, that morning we
were sitting in the truck and he's like, well,
let's make sure you're zipped up. And we pulled
into the, into the off the field road and they
were already starting to hit the truck. And this
is, you know, it's, it's six 30 in the morning.
Sun's just starting to come up. We had a heck
of a day. Cause the first day we went through
and we had to fix these, these hives. So it was
us and five other people, I think four other
people. Basically we took the colonies for double
deeps and just split them like right in half.
One side went to a new pallet and then put lids
on all the other colonies that we took the top
box off of. And then that next morning we went
back through and I wasn't checking the hives
to see which ones were queen right, but basically
they would just pop the lid and you could hear
if they're queenless. And then that lid would
get turned over if it was queenless. And if the
other one was not, it got left alone. And then
we had another person coming behind them, putting
new queen cages into the boxes that were queen
-less. We left them alone for a day. And then
the next day, we went and shook out all of the
boxes that were queen -rate. And that was a new
experience for me. And I don't wish to ever relive
that. When you say you shook them out into something
on the ground, what did you do? on the ground.
Yep. Oh man. The queen right colonies basically
got shook out onto the ground and those boxes
got combined back with the colony that had a
queen, a new queen in it. And yeah, it was blotting
out the sun. Like you had to wipe your veil off.
It was really bad. I've never seen that before,
but that was, I guess, one of the most efficient
ways to do it because you can't go through 700
colonies and try and find each individual queen.
But yeah, that was one really crazy beekeeping
story that I've had. And I wish that upon nobody.
I think you just answered my earlier question
about why did you decide not to be a commercial
beekeeper? I learned a really good lesson that
day. And it was, if you're going to be doing
something like that, you've got to be able to
take a curve ball. And that was a heck of a curve
ball, because. Yeah. it, it, it was, it was terrible.
That's the nicest way to put it. It was, I don't
know how many times I got stung, you know, you
get stung in the gloves and I had a good suit
on and everything like that, but that's, that's
just how they did it. We taped up our legs. I
remember that was one thing I did. I didn't do
it right away because you know, you're wearing
your boots and whatnot, but they can still figure
out ways to get in. These were strong colonies
too, cause they were, they had, they had come
back from almonds about a month earlier. they
were fairly strong so you you got to deal with
that too and I don't know if you know anything
about bees where the bigger they get the more
pushy they can get but that's kind of what I've
noticed. Well when you told me they were in Houston
I assumed maybe they had Africanized genetics
and that's why they were so onry but if they
had been out in almonds with you did they have
that kind of personality then? No these were
these were splits. these were new queens that
they had introduced into splits. The old hives
were not like that. These were the splits that
were coming back. But they, we usually made splits
pretty strong because if you make them strong,
you can get a secondary nuke off of them instead
of, cause we sold nukes in May 15th -ish. So
if you make them strong, if you put, you know,
four or five frames of brood plus a queen cell
within a month, you can make another nuke off
of them. Gotcha. Okay, so folks, if you want
to have a real experience, find 700 really angry
beehives, pull them in half, shake them out all
over the ground. I can't even imagine. When you
say blacked out the sun, I believe you. Yeah,
I mean, you know, because these are these are
all healthy bees and they're all wanting to kill
anything that moves. So it was bad enough. To
be honest with you, I don't know where the Queens
came from. I wasn't going to push any buttons
on anybody, but yeah, they were hostile to say
the least. Sounds like they came from hell personally.
Yeah. You're in Utah, correct? Yeah. So where
do you guys get your Queens and packages and
stuff from? Well, you can get some local ones
here. A lot of people get them from California.
So people that have been in almonds and either
kept their bees out there and then shook them
into packages or or made nukes out there and
bring them here. They usually come here in April
sometime is pretty average. So, yeah, both from
out of state and from here. And I prefer ones
from here because they've been proven to be able
to overwinter here and deal with our climate.
It's like I've always thought, oh, I've got to
get some of those Kona queens because I love
Hawaii. Let's get some of that Hawaii genetics
here. But I don't know, can they handle a winter
in Utah in the mountains? I mean, I'm at 5 ,700
feet where I live and have colonies here. And
they've got to be pretty tough bees. Yeah. And
that's one thing I have learned is because I
used to use a lot of Florida queens. And that
was always my concern was, well, I was back on
the Minnesota Wisconsin border, and I wondered
if they would be able to winter as well. And
I actually found it wasn't all that big of a
deal. As long as they had enough food, they're
pretty resilient. And I know I'm way oversimplifying
because in Kona, it's not like they have Kona
genetics. Right. I mean, honey bees aren't native
there either. So frankly, they could take carniolans
or Russians or anything over there and raise
them there. And they do it there because the
weather is so great all year round. I get that.
I'm just sort of oversimplifying that genetic
thing. Hey, before I let you go, you've done
enough beekeeping. I'll bet you have a wild and
crazy story that's going to make us laugh. Can
you think of one? My first real experience with
working with a commercial beekeeper, I was more
or less the labor. This would have been in 2011.
I was pulling honey. And I had no idea of what
was going on. I was just basically doing what
I was told. And that's fine. But I didn't have
a suit. So my mentor gave me a suit, which was
a single layer, almost like an overall type of
suit, a single layer. And I was trying to count
the stingers in my back by the end of the day,
but I ran out at 350. In your back or in the
back of your suit? It was in the back of my suit,
but the stinger still goes through because you're
sweating and the suit sticks to you. Then he
jokingly says, oh, you should probably buy a
ventilated suit so you don't get stung. I'm like,
well, I guess you could have just told me that,
but I probably would have been too broke to buy
one. I'm using the money I made today to put
an order in for a ventilated suit. So were these
bad enough? I mean, were these regular stings?
Like you, you've got all the venom and everything
through the suit. No, they, they weren't, they
weren't like I was getting dosed a hundred percent
of the venom. They were, they were just stuck
in the suit and when the suit would lay down
on top of your back, it would like stick to you
because it's a hundred degrees out, you know,
and I'm sweating and picking up, you know, 60
pound boxes and throwing them up on the back
of the truck. Yeah, well, that's what I had assumed.
But if you had actually taken that many stings
your first day, I wanted to ask you how you survived
it and how you felt that night. Yeah, no, I was
I was actually very sore, but it was I wasn't
getting the full venom. They were stinging the
suit and I'd pull it out. You know, I'd feel
it. Yeah. But yeah, you don't get immune to the
response of something stinging you, so. No, you
may get immune to the venom, but not to the pain
of the sting. You're still getting stabbed with
a needle. That was my first kind of, I laugh
about it because, well, I mean, we can all relate
to being stung a few times, but when you get
stung repeatedly over and over, and then you
have the pheromone on you. So every time you
walk into the bee yard and pull a box off, you
get to experience it again. That is just one
of those terrible welcome to beekeeping, John.
Yeah, I definitely I learned my lesson though.
It only took it only took one one time and I
went and got a ventilated bee suit that next
day. So then I didn't have to get stung at all.
All right. Hey, John, I really appreciate you
being with me today. Any last thoughts? Any wisdom
that you'd like to leave with our listeners?
I would like to suggest that people get into
beekeeping. It's a wonderful hobby that you can
learn something new from every day. You'll never
learn everything about bees, so I would suggest
everybody take a peek at it and get into it.
Amen. Thanks a lot. We'll talk to you again soon.
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