May I have your attention, please? The following
is not the real Jeff Fox release. If your teenage
son wants nothing more than to live the life
of a drone bee, you might be a beekeeper. If
you do more splits than a gymnast, You might
be a beekeeper. If you refer to your divorce
as swarming behavior, you might be a beekeeper.
I'll give you a minute to think about that one.
Welcome, welcome to Be Love Beekeeping presented
by Man Lake. Hey, another thank you to all those
who contributed ideas for the new Not Jeff Foxworthy
intro. They were excellent. We've used quite
a few of them, and if you're still thinking of
others, keep them coming. We love them. Our guest
today is in fact two guests from the Keepers'
Hive. We'll be discussing the Dimari method of
beekeeping, including single brood chamber management.
It's a truly interesting concept and different
than how most of us were taught in traditional
beekeeping. Before we check in with them, let's
check in on bees in the news, starting with commercial
beekeeping economics. Headline. United States
honey production down 4 % in 2024. While the
average number of colonies producing honey was
actually up 3 % from 2023, the yield per colony
averaged 51 .7 pounds, which was down 6%. But
the good news, honey prices were up 5 % in 2024,
to an average of $269 per pound. These of course
are wholesale numbers. Average price paid per
queen was $18 in 2024. Pollination income for
2024 was $226 million, down 11 % from 2023. And
from India, and I'm trying so hard not to laugh.
This is serious. The police confirmed that a
bee swarm injured 50 people attending a funeral
on Monday. According to a station house officer,
the bees attacked the congregation after being
disturbed by the heat from the cremation fire.
Police stated that those affected received first
aid at a nearby facility before some were hospitalized.
The officer added that medical personnel treated
all casualties and most victims were later sent
home. Also in India, a swarm of bees attacked
a group of tourists at the Alora Caves on Monday
afternoon, leaving at least 70 people injured,
one needing hospitalization. And speaking of
stings, this comes from Surprise Arizona. A man
is recovering in the hospital after he and a
group of kids were attacked by a swarm of bees.
Here's the quote, the adult male was checking
his mailbox when he unknowingly came across a
beehive. The bees became aggressive and he was
stung multiple times. Firefighters were called
and arrived on the scene after the adult was
stung and as they arrived they saw a group of
youth riding their bikes in the area and also
being stung. Firefighters put the kids inside
the fire engine to keep them away and in the
process four firefighters were stung. And the
article concludes with this quote, a beekeeper
arrived at the scene to control the swarm. Now,
by the way, if you're that beekeeper, please
reach out to me because I don't know how to control
a swarm in attack mode. Alrighty, let's get to
today's interview. I'd like to welcome to the
show today, George Datto. Oh, please tell me
I pronounced that right. 100 % correct. George
Datto and Nate Wolf coming to us from beautiful
Pennsylvania or Delaware. How are you guys? We're
doing great. Eric, how are you today? Good. Thanks
for having me. I know one of you lives in Pennsylvania
and one Delaware. Whose house are you at today?
We're at Georgia's house in Pennsylvania. Hey,
we're going to be talking about something fun.
As listeners know, I love new products. I love
gadgets, but I also like really great new concepts
and beekeeping, too, because I just don't think
we have it all figured out. And today we're going
to be talking about the keepers hive and the
whole philosophy behind it, because it's a little
bit different than beekeeping in a regular Langstroth
hive or a top bar hive or something else. We're
going to be talking all about that. But first,
let's meet who we have on here today. Hey, George.
Hey, Eric. Tell us a little bit about you and
what your beekeeping journey has been like. So
yeah, my name is George and I've been keeping
bees in southeast Pennsylvania for about 15 years
now. I guess I would consider myself a sideliner
beekeeper. I manage about 70 hives, largely for
honey production. I love innovation and I love
that aspect of it too. I've also raised over
100 queens a year, made nukes, so all aspects
of beekeeping I find tremendously fun and and
just love the hobby of beekeeping. And Nat, you
haven't been beekeeping as long, but you brought
to this project your woodworking skills. Tell
us a little bit about that. Well, I'd say it's
been about eight, nine years ago. I saw this
fellow that I had never met before working bees,
and I thought to myself, this guy's got to be
crazy in all those bees. Isn't he getting stung
or something? But he kept coming back and he
got me interested. And one day I said, Can I
come watch what you're doing?" And he said, sure,
come on. And from that day on, I was hooked.
I do not consider myself a big beekeeper. I'm
just a hobbyist. And there isn't very much time
that goes by that I don't come back to George
and say, okay, George, I have another problem.
What do I do? We've been together now for about
nine years. Yeah, I've spent my living as a woodworker,
as a carpenter. So that's where I come into this.
We had We had some ideas and I tried to put it
together and George has helped me over the years
to get it polished to a point where it is now.
So George, give us an idea for those that haven't
seen the hive keeper hive. My understanding is
that it uses a single brood chamber and that
brings with it a whole other kind of beekeeping
and a little bit different philosophy for those
of us. that are used to using very traditional
couple of Langstroth deeps. Tell us what led
you up to coming up with this idea and a little
bit about how it works. So the keepers hive has
two products. It has a one queen keeper and a
two queen keeper. So the history of this hive
goes back to when I started my beekeeping, I
apprenticed under sideliner slash commercial
beekeeper who ran single brood chamber hives.
and use the Demere swarm control as management
for managing the single brood chamber. And I
saw how effective that management strategy was
for not only swarm prevention, but honey production.
I was like, wow. So I really learned how to do
the Demere really well, but I also learned how
much work that that entailed. And I think through
the years, many people don't consider that as
a management strategy. One, because it can be
somewhat confusing on how to do it. And secondly,
it does involve lifting a lot of boxes off to
do it because you ultimately need to get down
to your single brew chamber and therefore you
need to remove all the boxes above it. Yeah,
that's the history of my beekeeping and how we're
here today, at least the foundation of it. So
your idea then was use this Demery philosophy,
but fix the problem of having to lift five or
however many boxes off so that you could get
to the brood chamber. Is that right? Well, that
was Nats. I didn't know any better. Right. So
someone taught me this and it seemed to work.
So I said, OK, I can do this. You know, every
so often I take all the boxes off, you know,
go down to the brood chamber, move brood up.
Put all the boxes back together and the hive
won't swarm and you'll make a lot of honey. This
is awesome, right? I told you years ago when
I was watching George and I said, can I go with
you and just show me? And he said, come on. Well,
I went with him several different times and it
was in the middle of the summer and it was hot.
And he kept saying, OK, lift these boxes, take
this apart. And every time we did, the bees were
going all over the place. And it was hot and
Neither one of us have a really good back. And
I said to him one day, I said, George, this is
crazy. Why do you do this every single time we
come up to these bees? I mean, isn't there a
better way? And he says, well, no, not really.
You have to get down to the bottom in order to
take care of your bees. And I thought, this is
crazy. There's got to be a better way. And George
says, well, if you can come up with it. Go for
it. And I told that people have tried. People
have tried to put bees in drawers. People have
tried to do all kinds of different innovations
to keep the vertically oriented hive. Yet remove
the need to move boxes to get to the bottom,
right? So I've always thought that and not that
I have a lot of experience with horizontal hive
configuration, whether or not it be a top bar,
a lands hive or or whatever, but I have always.
thought the bees prefer to go up and down then
side to side from just a honey storage standpoint
and orient their brood to the honey. So that
was the challenge. I was like, Nat, let's try
to keep it vertical and not go horizontal with
it. I think the challenge that we had to overcome
was to somehow gain the ability to move frames
in a hive And the only way to do that is to prevent
them from being propylized in place. We had to
stop and think about, OK, well, how do you stop
a bee from propylizing? And the fact is, it can't
be done. Anything a bee walks on, she will propylize.
So that got me thinking, what if somehow I prevent
them from walking on the areas that I need to
keep clean? So that's basically how we came up
with this whole system of being able to access
your frames without lifting off your honey supers.
And we have actually made it possible to slide
frames out from underneath the honey supers.
And we've been able to prevent them from being
propolized in place. Now for people listening
to this podcast, Which does not have video right
now. I recommend that you go to thekeepershive
.com You'll be able to see what George and Nat
are talking about But guys go ahead and just
describe for us in case we had our eyes closed
Or we're out exercising or driving right now.
We can't look at the website Describe what it
is that you've come up with So essentially what
we have is a single brood chamber hive. So the
brood is in one box and on both the one queen
and the two queen keepers, it's an eight frame
deep brood chamber. So basically we have a brood
chamber and then we have a queen excluder. And
then above that we have our supers. And what
you're able to do is you're able to basically
on the side of the brood chamber, we have a hinge
roof. You basically open a hinge roof. Four frames
are underneath the roof, four frames are underneath
the queen excluder, and you can sort of open
the hinge roof, look at your bees through our
observation window, remove the observation window
and the frame guards, and get to all eight of
the frames that are in the brood box without
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So all of a sudden now to do your brood inspections,
to see if you need to demerade, to see if to
do a mic count, whatever you want to do with
your bees. You don't have to disturb all the
boxes above and all the foragers. You basically
sit down, open up the roof, and do what you need
to do. So that's on a one queen, on a two queen
keeper. It's basically the same thing, but it's
two hives, two of these back to back with using
10 frame supers, while the one frame hive uses
five frame supers. So it's basically a double
instead of a single. But the brew chamber and
the way you work the hive is essentially the
same on both hives. Okay, let's talk about the
single first. I think if people understand the
single queen setup. then picturing the double
queen is fairly easy. So you mentioned that the
honey supers that are above the brood box, there
is room to open a like a roof on half of the
brood chamber and get to all of the frames. So
based on that, what size are the supers above?
Are they like nuke size or are they some special
thing that we need to get from you? The one queen
keeper is nuke sized supers. The two queen keeper
uses 10 frame supers. In both situations, the
honey supers cantilever over half of the brood
box. The other half is exposed when you open
the hinged roof. What was important to us when
we were designing both hives is that we wanted
beekeepers to be able to use all their existing
equipment, right? So we didn't want to have special
bottom boards or special frames or special supers
or special outer covers. So whatever you are
currently using that is a traditional Langstroth
equipment will absolutely 100 % work on the keepers
hive. It is using all standard equipment except
for the brood box. Which is what we get from
you. Okay. Yeah. And it looks pretty cool. Now,
I don't have a bunch of Nuke boxes. I need some,
but so for me, it might make more sense to do
the double queen and then I can put regular 10
frame boxes on top. And I think the idea of a
double queen is really cool anyway. It may be
a little bit above my IQ level to figure out
how to do that, but we'll see how we can do.
Let's talk about the Demery method that keeps
coming up and what it's like keeping bees in
a single brood chamber, because this could apply
whether people are using your system or a Flow
Hive or just a regular Demery system. Give us,
George, just a little primer 101 on what beekeeping
is like that way. So when we say single brood
chamber hive, What we mean is that the queen
and the brood is limited to one box and you use
a queen excluder in that configuration So when
you're doing a single brood chamber hive, you
are using a queen excluder You have your queen
in your brood generally in the bottom box You
have a queen excluder on top of that and then
your supers above the the challenge of a single
brood chamber hive is first swarm management,
right because when bees are maximally building
up in spring or wherever that is, wherever you're
beekeeping, the colony is likely to swarm if
you just leave them without any management in
the single brood chamber, right? So your options
are some people in order to prevent swarming
will just make lots of splits. So in the single
brood chamber, they'll pull out. 60 to 70 percent
of the brood and potentially the queen and make
two or three splits and That'll be their swarm
management for single brood chamber and that
works really well You just have to be want and
need all these highs, right? So you can split
away But your number of hives is going to increase
tremendously quickly with that method, right?
The other thing that that does is it decreases
your forager force in your hive, right? So all
of a sudden, you don't have as many bees in that
hive. It won't swarm, but it may not produce
as much honey. Some people say, you know, you
can make a decision what you want your hive to
do. You can make your colony either make honey
or make splits, and it's hard to do both. So
when you do the split method for swarm control,
you make lots of bees, but you don't make as
much honey. So the demeria is an option where
you basically are making a vertical split within
the hive. to decrease swarming, but maintaining
the bee population in that hive and not making
increases. So that is another way to do swarm
control when you're doing single brood chamber
hive is the demuree. Let me see if I can just
sort of summarize my understanding of how that's
going to work. And please correct me along the
way. OK, but to put it in its most simplest terms
with the demuree. to keep from swarming i'm going
to take i'm going to do a split okay so i'm going
to take a nuke box and i'm going to take out
the frames that have queen cells i'm going to
put them in this nuke box and then i'm going
to take that nuke box and put it up as if it
were a honey super there's not going to be a
queen in there there may be some queen cells
and remember we have separated the brood chamber
with a queen excluder. So up in this box that
is acting like a honey super now, eventually
those bees are going to be gone. All of the brood
is going to be gone. And then the bees are going
to backfill it with honey. Did I get that even
close? Pretty close, Eric. So what you're doing
is. Early in the spring and the bees are building
up and there's a lot of brood down in your single
brood chamber. You're going to go in there, you're
basically going to leave the queen and one frame
of emerging brood in the bottom and you're going
to take all the other brood and move it up in
the hive in a one queen keeper of five frame
deep because there are deep frames in the brood
box. So you're going to have a deep at the top
of your stack and that's going to basically take
all the nurse bees and all the bees to the top
of the hive. and it's going to decongest the
brood chamber, and the colony is going to decide
it doesn't want to swarm anymore. The queen's
going to continue to lay. And as you said, those
bees, all that brood at the top is eventually
going to hatch out and rejoin the colony at the
bottom. And then they'll backfill that five -frame
nuke box with honey. So pretty much what you
said is what happens. You're basically doing
a vertical split within the hive, leaving the
queen down below in the single brood chamber.
and moving all the other brood and nurse bees
up to the top. Now, what makes the keepers hive,
what makes it so easy to do that is you don't
have to lift and remove and take apart boxes
to do that. It basically takes that, the ability
to do that and makes it so simple and so easy
for any beekeeper to do. And one thing you don't
want to do, Eric, while you're doing this is
you mentioned queen cells. While you're doing
the demuree in this hive, one thing we don't
want to do is have queen cells at the top of
this hive. So if you should go in and find a
queen cell while you're doing the demuree, we
recommend that either you take and make a walk
-away split or just scrape that queen cell off.
You don't want to set another queen in the top
of your hive. Thank you for clarifying that.
So ultimately, it's best to do this even before
you have any of those queen cells then. Correct.
Yeah. Okay. The art of the Demery is when to
do it. How to do it is one part of the Demery,
right? Which is easier to learn once you think
about it a little bit. The art is when to do
it, right? And that really depends on the weather.
It depends on what your colony is doing. are
the factors that are going to make you decide,
but ideally it's done preemptively right before
they start to make queen cells. Okay, I'll ask
the bees what date that is this year where I
live because I know I'm going to tell everybody
George to email you and ask them what date they
should do that. I think people get really fascinated
by the Demery and really get into the weeds on
what to move and how to do it. But the really
question is, is when to do it? And people have
asked me that, Eric. And unfortunately, I say,
I can't tell you, because it's all, there's so
many factors that go into that, that is the art
of beekeeping, right? And every colony is different,
and every, you know, your weather is different.
And yeah, so you get, the more you do it, the
more you learn beekeeping in your area. And you
sort of get a you sort of get an intuition of
when to do that Demere to start. And I realize
that you can't do that, which is why I said everybody
should email you asking. So at the keepers side,
we really want to try to do good customer service,
you know. So Dave says, OK, answer everybody's
question. Don't blow anybody off. Smile as you're
answering that question. So I try really hard.
to help people. Okay, you're asking for it, George.
Eric, I think one important thing here is, and
I don't mean to push just our product, but I
think one thing about beekeeping and management
and figuring out just when to do your demerit
is being able to keep a check on your bees. You
can't just walk away and come back three weeks
later and think you're going to be able to solve
all the problems or whatever issues come up.
You have to be able to be into your bees on a
regular basis. And that is one of the features
that we tell people that we're making management
better simply because we're giving you the ability
to easily check on your bees. You can go and
check one of these hives. in 10 minutes from
start to finish and walk away. And if you have
that ability, you're going to be much more prone
to keep a regular check on these bees. And you
will know when it's time to demerit because you're
going to be able to pace that queen and that
what she's doing. And if you're not lifting a
bunch of 50 pound boxes, you're more likely to
do it too. Exactly. I mean, there's been many
days, you know, that I thought I just don't feel
like lifting those boxes. I'm not going to go
up there and do it today. And you know what?
I suffered the consequences because there was
a problem and I didn't tend to it in time. You're
getting me tucked into this. There was a summer
where I started out in overwinter with nine hives
out right out in my backyard. And come March,
I was down to two because I just did not pay
the attention that needed it. And that was before
we came up with this solution. Don't forget that
you could sit on a stool and do the whole thing,
too. That's right. And I tell people and they
know I want to stand. I was like, OK, you can
stand and work the keepers hive if you want.
I'd highly recommend sitting on a stool and doing
the whole thing. But hey, I want to sit. Sign
me up for the sit. Does the Keepers Hive come
with a bench or a stool? Not yet, but you can
use a five gallon bucket or a 10 frame deep box
on its side. You probably have a company, Eric,
that would function as a stool. All right. But
it's mind blowing. It's like, yeah, you really
can do your whole hive inspection while sitting
in one place on a stool. And that's working a
Langstroth hive on a stool. How about that? All
right. I love it. Now I have to ask a hard question.
I have a feeling some people are going to tell
me, hey, you're in a cold climate. You can't
overwinter with just one brood box. How does
that work? So we have options. You can overwinter
with a single eight frame deep brood box if you'd
like. You could also overwinter with five deep
frames above your brood box. And you can stack
on more five frame boxes on top of that too.
So The keepers hive design does not limit you
to only overwintering in a single. You can overwinter
in a single plus a new box or multiple new boxes
above it. One thing I've learned through this
is that bees really do like being in a single
brood box most of the time, honestly. The only
time bees do not like being in a single brood
box, well, they may like it, but they'll swarm,
right? Outside of swarm season, your colony is
going to do so, so much better. when you keep
your brood in a single brood box, and you keep
your bees wall -to -wall in that box. And that
goes for the summer, during the dearth, dealing
with small high beetles, and even overwintering.
I really think that you're going to notice some
pretty cool stuff when you get your bees down
to a single box to overwinter. Just so they have
enough honey above them. Right. Now one option
here is when we... take the one queen keeper
and we set it up to winterize. Once we've harvested
our honey and we're just going to winterize our
bees, we will come all the way down to only having
one super above the brew chamber, and then we
remove the queen excluder. Now there are two
ways. The super above the brew chamber can now
be loaded with five frames of honey. Without
the queen excluder, as they empty the brood chamber
during the course of the winter, and the cluster
moves up to that next box, the queen will be
able to move with the cluster. The second option
is that instead of putting five frames of honey
above the brood chamber, you can leave that box
empty, leave the queen excluder on, and put supplemental
feed in that box. Some people say while I produce
honey, I want it all and they want to do supplemental
feed and that works. Other people are not as
worried about their honey production and would
rather leave the five frames of honey for them.
So that's a two option. Yeah, I'd rather have
my bees eating their own honey during winter.
That's just me. Right. Everybody works it a little
different. But that's how we do the single -brewed
chamber. We do remove the queen excluder for
the winner and allow her to come up with the
cluster. Yeah, I mean, in general, I agree with
you, Eric. Again, above the queen excluder on
the keepers high, the exchange boxes are deep.
where you do the Demarais and the other boxes
are mediums. So all the mediums I harvest for
myself and that deep exchange box, which still
backfill with honey, as you said, I just drop
that down on the brew chamber for winter. So
I'm basically overwintering with eight frames
in the brew chamber and five deep frames from
the exchange box. So for me, I want to harvest
my honey out of my mediums and the deeps I want
to leave for the bees. It's how I organize. Everybody
organizes it differently, but I say mediums are
for me and the deeps are for the bees. Now I
feel like there's something that I really should
have said up front, and that is for our brand
new beekeepers or those that are just thinking
about getting into beekeeping, my apologies.
This probably made no sense to you, but for those
that have been beekeeping for a while, I think
they can picture most of this. Your website will
be in the show notes. It's been fun talking to
you guys. I have one last thing to ask. George
or Nat, either one of you or both, can you give
us a wild and crazy beekeeping experience that
you've had? Well, I'm also president of the Chester
County Beekeepers Club in southeast Pennsylvania.
And in 2021, we had a great flood come through
our apiary, right? So we had a flood come through.
We had 30 hives in our apiary and basically washed
them all down the river. Believe it or not, 20
of them, we were able to go down the river, find
them. and ended up putting them back in single
five -frame boxes, and they all overwintered
in single five -frame boxes. So it got me to
really think hard about how much space and how
much food do the bees really need to survive
the winter. So that was just one of my cool experiences
of being devastated from the flood and thinking,
oh my goodness, and then learning a whole lot
afterwards. How did they not drown? We had them
all strapped. So somehow the strap kept them
and then they floated down the river. Some drowned,
but I think the ones that floated on the top
and they all ended up in a certain spot. So they
went down the river about 500 feet and then basically
a bunch of trees stopped them. So we had all
these nukes that were all piled up on each other
and two thirds of them actually survived the
flood and then survived the winter in a single
five frame deep box. So cool. Awesome. By the
way, that just reminds me, I saw an article recently
of these beekeepers over in England that are
in a floodplain and they kept losing hives and
they finally for their hive stands, they basically
built pontoons so that when a flood came. the
hives could float and be OK. And then when the
waters came down, they were OK and they could
rescue them and put them back or whatever. But
a couple of our club members said we should raise
the hive stands up to be six feet in that apiary
and have like a steps that you go up and manage.
I was like, dude, this is a this is once in a
hundred year flood. I don't know if we want to
go there. But I tell you, it's like those moments
is when you learn, right? Absolutely. Yeah, it's
from the crazy things that happen and sometimes
the disasters that happen that we learn the most.
100%. We just want people to do the management
that we know is going to help them keep their
bees healthy and alive and just making a hive
where you can do it easier and potentially more
effective by using a single brood chamber, honestly.
That's what it's about at the end of the day.
That's the message. There's a lot of no lift
messaging out there and a lot of no lift options,
but I think our hive goes beyond a no lift option.
I really think it's about optimizing a single
brew chamber in Demere that really can make your
beekeeping more fun and probably more effective
at the end of the day. With this method, I would
think that people need to They need to be checking
their hives often. How often would you recommend?
Once you get outside a swarm season once a month
is enough, honestly. Okay. Bees are quite happy
in a single brood chamber once the swarm impulse
is done, right? So it's during the swarm season
that you need to check probably once every 10
to 2 weeks, but you have to know the duration
of your swarm season and you have to know when
your swarm season is done, but then it's done.
And then it's mite management. Well, think about
how easy it is to check mite levels in this hive,
right? You just go, you open up the roof, you
pull out root frame three, you shake your bees
and you're done. No tearing apart the hive to
do a mite level. No lifting boxes. And some people
will say... I don't know if I agree with this.
Some people say, well, if you super a hive enough,
if you take a single brood chamber hive and super
it enough right before the honey flow, you can
decrease swarm impulse too just by not having
them backfill the brood chamber. You just give
them ton of space to store all the nectar, and
then they're unlikely to swarm. That's another.
aspect of single brood chamber. I don't see why
not to do single brood chamber management. And
I think it's catching on a little bit. Beekeepers
start with double deep brood boxes or multiple
medium brood boxes, and that's how we learn.
And people say, well, your hive is really not
for beginners. It's too complicated. I was like,
you got to learn something at some point. So
why don't you learn the most easiest and effective
way right off the bat, honestly. Double deep
brood chambers are... I think part of the reason
why new beekeepers lose so many hives to some
extent. I think that's harder to manage in some
ways than what I'm asking people to manage, honestly.
I think there's many people to get into beekeeping
that don't realize the weight of these boxes
and do not realize until it happens that, oh,
my goodness, this box is so heavy. I can't lift
this. Or when they get into inspect and they
tear it apart, all of a sudden you got a lot
of bees. flying all over the place, you know?
I mean, that's another beauty of the design is
like, when you sit down and do your hive inspection,
you're not disturbing the colony to do your inspection.
Dave always says, George, you really should put
on a veil. You really should be showing people
the right way to protect yourself. I was like,
dude, the bees are fine with me doing a hive
inspection, honestly. I'm not disturbing them.
I'm just gently going through the brew chamber
and doing what I need to do. We think the best
way to get started with beekeeping is apprentice,
right? Go like that hung out with me or go hang
out with Eric or go find somebody to hang out
with them, you know, and see whether or not you
love it or not. Because if you don't love it,
don't do it. All right, George Datto and Nate
Wolf, thank you a ton for being on the show with
me today. Hey, Eric, thanks a lot for having
us. We really appreciate your time. Happy beekeeping,
Eric. Thanks again for joining us here on Be
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