WEBVTT 00:00:05.799 --> 00:00:08.660 Good morning, good evening, good night, wherever 00:00:08.660 --> 00:00:13.500 you are joining us, welcome. You sound like one 00:00:13.500 --> 00:00:17.160 of those people that they start the weekend service 00:00:17.160 --> 00:00:19.239 and they're trying to address online and they're 00:00:19.239 --> 00:00:23.920 like, wherever, whenever, whatever. Like you 00:00:23.920 --> 00:00:27.140 just keep adding to it. We're here. We're here. 00:00:27.320 --> 00:00:29.600 It's Monday morning. We're here and they're here. 00:00:29.780 --> 00:00:33.619 Yes. The pod fam. Yeah. Welcome to the Heights 00:00:33.619 --> 00:00:36.710 Unedited Podcast. It's a podcast about real conversations. 00:00:36.950 --> 00:00:38.689 Real conversations. Real things. Life, culture, 00:00:38.990 --> 00:00:40.850 all of it. All of it. All of it rolled into one. 00:00:40.950 --> 00:00:42.369 And it's for our church family. Including coffee 00:00:42.369 --> 00:00:44.789 that the beer made. Yes. We got coffee again. 00:00:44.829 --> 00:00:47.750 Thank you beer for coffee. Amazing. It is a Colombian. 00:00:47.750 --> 00:00:51.789 It is a single roast. Colombian single roast. 00:00:51.829 --> 00:00:54.369 Single origin. Single origin. Single origin. 00:00:55.149 --> 00:00:56.950 You could say single roast. I would know the 00:00:56.950 --> 00:00:59.770 difference. Yeah. Well, let's be. Let's be very 00:00:59.770 --> 00:01:02.229 uncultured over this side of the table. We did 00:01:02.229 --> 00:01:04.750 have a conversation about what. we'll do differently 00:01:04.750 --> 00:01:10.730 with the coffee brewing process because we definitely 00:01:10.730 --> 00:01:13.069 need to maybe downgrade the ratio. There would 00:01:13.069 --> 00:01:18.989 be a question for the pod fam. How do you do 00:01:18.989 --> 00:01:22.129 a poll? You want to do a poll? I want to do a 00:01:22.129 --> 00:01:24.150 poll because I want to know what is the most 00:01:24.150 --> 00:01:26.609 common way that people are brewing their coffee 00:01:26.609 --> 00:01:28.549 from the pod fam. This is fascinating. I think 00:01:28.549 --> 00:01:30.549 you could learn a lot about people. This is fascinating. 00:01:30.870 --> 00:01:33.349 You could learn a lot. Are you my father -in 00:01:33.349 --> 00:01:35.650 -law? You know what I mean? Where it's like, 00:01:35.810 --> 00:01:38.870 man, give me the Folgers. Give me the largest 00:01:38.870 --> 00:01:41.590 can I can get for the cheapest money. From True 00:01:41.590 --> 00:01:44.370 Value. Where it says good to the last drop, but 00:01:44.370 --> 00:01:48.430 from True Value. We have one in Prescott that 00:01:48.430 --> 00:01:50.969 felt appropriate. He loved that store. He did 00:01:50.969 --> 00:01:53.930 love that store. Do you know what I mean? So 00:01:53.930 --> 00:01:56.469 it's just straight drip. And that sucker's going 00:01:56.469 --> 00:01:58.489 to stay on there. And you walk in and you're 00:01:58.489 --> 00:02:00.709 like, smells like burnt coffee because it's just 00:02:00.709 --> 00:02:03.530 been cooking all day on that burner. It's not 00:02:03.530 --> 00:02:05.409 a two hour. You know how like the new machines, 00:02:05.510 --> 00:02:07.250 they got the little two hours that saves you 00:02:07.250 --> 00:02:11.169 from the burn. Or are you the microwave coffee? 00:02:11.770 --> 00:02:14.530 So your coffee goes... No, no, hang on. Your 00:02:14.530 --> 00:02:17.770 coffee goes cold. Oh, okay. And you are that. 00:02:18.169 --> 00:02:20.110 Slap that baby in the microwave. You nuke it. 00:02:20.210 --> 00:02:22.330 And get her done. Okay, I understand that. Have 00:02:22.330 --> 00:02:24.400 you ever noticed when you nuke... something it 00:02:24.400 --> 00:02:26.759 doesn't stay hot as long you ever notice that 00:02:26.759 --> 00:02:28.699 i'll be honest i don't nuke a lot of things okay 00:02:28.699 --> 00:02:30.639 so i want you here's your task for this week 00:02:30.639 --> 00:02:34.379 you ready you are going to nuke a cup of coffee 00:02:34.379 --> 00:02:38.879 let it go cold nuke it now and watch how quickly 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:42.680 it goes cold i will be honest with you i don't 00:02:42.680 --> 00:02:45.539 have enough coffee where it ever goes cold like 00:02:45.539 --> 00:02:47.680 this is probably the max this is like the european 00:02:47.680 --> 00:02:51.319 cup size We'll get you some in the office. There's 00:02:51.319 --> 00:02:53.159 a coffee maker here. I know. I've had it. You 00:02:53.159 --> 00:02:55.479 can have some of Bob's stuff. Yeah, it's motor 00:02:55.479 --> 00:02:58.560 oil. You can give Pastor Bob that. Yeah, but 00:02:58.560 --> 00:03:02.039 then imagine it nuked. I mean, that's a whole 00:03:02.039 --> 00:03:04.659 other level of excitement. These are experiences 00:03:04.659 --> 00:03:06.139 I don't need in my life. Okay, so true. Like 00:03:06.139 --> 00:03:09.439 a pole. How would we do that, Beard? Clip this 00:03:09.439 --> 00:03:13.719 and make a pole. So you got to tell us what is 00:03:13.719 --> 00:03:17.900 your preferred. method of brewing coffee is it 00:03:17.900 --> 00:03:21.400 the filter is it a french press is it the espresso 00:03:21.400 --> 00:03:24.180 machine what's the one you use beard the aero 00:03:24.180 --> 00:03:28.780 press yeah aero press pour over the machine i 00:03:28.780 --> 00:03:30.180 feel like you're giving them a lot of options 00:03:30.180 --> 00:03:33.180 is this like an a b c or d thing or is this like 00:03:33.180 --> 00:03:36.900 you're just the beard will figure that out he's 00:03:36.900 --> 00:03:40.139 got a tall task in front of him i just think 00:03:40.139 --> 00:03:42.319 i think it's interesting yeah how do you brew 00:03:42.319 --> 00:03:45.129 it And if you're listening. Everybody brews it, 00:03:45.150 --> 00:03:46.909 but if you brew it, how do you do it? Yeah, and 00:03:46.909 --> 00:03:49.830 if you're listening and you have stumbled upon 00:03:49.830 --> 00:03:52.289 coffee and you are like, this is exactly what 00:03:52.289 --> 00:03:54.330 I want to read about and talk about for the rest 00:03:54.330 --> 00:03:57.250 of the day. Uncommon Grounds. Great little history 00:03:57.250 --> 00:03:59.830 of coffee in the United States. I literally thought 00:03:59.830 --> 00:04:01.169 you were going to say, keep listening to the 00:04:01.169 --> 00:04:02.889 pod. Like, we're just going to talk about coffee 00:04:02.889 --> 00:04:04.229 today. That's where I thought you were going, 00:04:04.310 --> 00:04:05.789 but you actually gave them something helpful. 00:04:06.050 --> 00:04:08.490 Yeah. I mean, I'm going to transition us. Uncommon 00:04:08.490 --> 00:04:11.030 Grounds. Uncommon Grounds. It's great. It's like 00:04:11.030 --> 00:04:16.290 the standard textbook. The Beards read it. Only 00:04:16.290 --> 00:04:21.009 partial. Maybe that's why the coffee's a little... 00:04:21.009 --> 00:04:27.029 It's just brutal. Oh, man. It's too good. Walking 00:04:27.029 --> 00:04:30.750 into today. How are you feeling? I'm tired, man. 00:04:30.949 --> 00:04:33.389 Yeah? I'm tired. Weekend took it out of me. Yeah. 00:04:33.569 --> 00:04:37.370 So it's a both and. I am physically tired because 00:04:37.370 --> 00:04:39.889 I wanted to get the pizza oven that we talked 00:04:39.889 --> 00:04:41.750 about last week. I wanted to get it to a specific 00:04:41.750 --> 00:04:44.009 point because I have a specific goal for this 00:04:44.009 --> 00:04:49.230 week. So that's been a physical rodeo. And then, 00:04:49.290 --> 00:04:52.769 yeah, just services and the way we're doing them 00:04:52.769 --> 00:04:55.610 right now. It just takes a lot. Well, and I think, 00:04:55.610 --> 00:04:59.230 too, for people that maybe don't, for a church 00:04:59.230 --> 00:05:01.569 family that doesn't know, like four services 00:05:01.569 --> 00:05:05.730 across two days is a toll. Like it's a physical 00:05:05.730 --> 00:05:07.930 toll on your body. Somebody told me you use, 00:05:07.930 --> 00:05:10.029 they gave me a number. I'm not sure if the number 00:05:10.029 --> 00:05:12.009 is accurate, but you lose a certain amount of 00:05:12.009 --> 00:05:15.129 years of your life by speaking four times a weekend. 00:05:15.389 --> 00:05:18.269 Yeah. Oh my goodness. Physical stress and toll. 00:05:19.410 --> 00:05:21.750 That's what, who knows if it's real. Come on. 00:05:22.529 --> 00:05:24.569 Wow. I mean, that's just, that's what I was told. 00:05:24.610 --> 00:05:26.670 And the person telling me was like, I'll never 00:05:26.670 --> 00:05:29.910 do more than this because of that. Oh, interesting. 00:05:30.629 --> 00:05:33.089 I mean, it doesn't surprise me. We used to do 00:05:33.089 --> 00:05:36.670 five. On one day. Right. Which is, you want to 00:05:36.670 --> 00:05:40.069 go back to that? No. Yeah. The best part about 00:05:40.069 --> 00:05:41.930 the five, though, is we would do Thursday night 00:05:41.930 --> 00:05:45.550 in Flagstaff, get back after midnight, and then 00:05:45.550 --> 00:05:49.370 do the gala on Sunday. That was the best part. 00:05:49.490 --> 00:05:57.069 That was probably the moment when we really had 00:05:57.069 --> 00:06:01.110 staff turn over. It's just a lot of work. It's 00:06:01.110 --> 00:06:04.040 a lot of work. It's a lot of something. One of 00:06:04.040 --> 00:06:05.819 the things the family might have noticed, again, 00:06:05.980 --> 00:06:09.180 this week, is that our format was a little different 00:06:09.180 --> 00:06:12.860 for the services. Specifically, maybe if you 00:06:12.860 --> 00:06:14.399 didn't join, you should check it out on YouTube, 00:06:14.459 --> 00:06:19.899 but the message was first. Yeah. And then we 00:06:19.899 --> 00:06:24.180 responded in worship, which was, I think, this 00:06:24.180 --> 00:06:27.100 is the second week we've done it. Yeah. I think 00:06:27.100 --> 00:06:31.360 I've been encouraged by some of the ways flipping 00:06:31.360 --> 00:06:35.060 some of that has... brought super cool things, 00:06:35.120 --> 00:06:37.800 what God is doing in our church family and how 00:06:37.800 --> 00:06:40.180 he's working through the services. I feel like 00:06:40.180 --> 00:06:42.680 we should have a conversation about maybe some 00:06:42.680 --> 00:06:45.000 of the reason why we did that flip, but also 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:47.899 maybe the wider question, because this is kind 00:06:47.899 --> 00:06:49.879 of under the format of what we call liturgy. 00:06:50.420 --> 00:06:54.879 So if you've heard that word thrown around, liturgy 00:06:54.879 --> 00:07:00.139 is, we should define it. I like your little transliteration 00:07:00.139 --> 00:07:02.360 of the original Greek, so you should start with 00:07:02.360 --> 00:07:05.300 that. Because I appreciate that. I like how smart 00:07:05.300 --> 00:07:07.819 you made me sound by the transliteration of the 00:07:07.819 --> 00:07:09.959 original Greek. It's good. You've done your research. 00:07:10.259 --> 00:07:14.699 You've done your research. Yeah, I think for 00:07:14.699 --> 00:07:17.639 me, it was actually a number of years ago, we 00:07:17.639 --> 00:07:20.779 were doing a Good Friday service at the Cross. 00:07:21.480 --> 00:07:24.540 And one of the things that just in the kind of 00:07:24.540 --> 00:07:27.339 putting those things together that became evident 00:07:27.339 --> 00:07:33.180 was our... Sunrise Service, which obviously Easter 00:07:33.180 --> 00:07:40.680 Sunday, Sunrise Service was hymns and kind of 00:07:40.680 --> 00:07:44.779 fell into that vein of they're familiar, but 00:07:44.779 --> 00:07:49.459 they're something that people could naturally 00:07:49.459 --> 00:07:52.100 sing along to. They've been around for a while. 00:07:52.160 --> 00:07:54.000 Most people would know them. We're obviously 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:56.180 outside. We don't have screens. We don't have 00:07:56.180 --> 00:07:59.980 that kind of support. And then the park at the 00:07:59.980 --> 00:08:04.579 time was just full tilt celebration, large band. 00:08:04.879 --> 00:08:07.639 And we noticed for Good Friday that there was 00:08:07.639 --> 00:08:12.860 really something lacking in kind of an orthodoxy 00:08:12.860 --> 00:08:15.480 wrapped around a different kind of like a liturgical 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:18.699 type service. And so we just started exploring. 00:08:18.779 --> 00:08:21.240 And that's actually where the definition of liturgy 00:08:21.240 --> 00:08:24.779 being a work of the people. Yeah. And what clicked 00:08:24.779 --> 00:08:28.430 to me was. Then Good Friday and the way we do 00:08:28.430 --> 00:08:31.350 it needed to be something that if we were going 00:08:31.350 --> 00:08:33.169 to call it liturgical, it needed to be something 00:08:33.169 --> 00:08:35.470 that was a work of the people. So we had multiple 00:08:35.470 --> 00:08:38.730 communicators. There wasn't one. There was multiple 00:08:38.730 --> 00:08:42.529 readings that were done. The songs were less 00:08:42.529 --> 00:08:45.129 led by from the front and hopefully more from 00:08:45.129 --> 00:08:47.970 the congregation. Like the idea was that if you 00:08:47.970 --> 00:08:51.490 attended. the liturgy or the liturgical nature 00:08:51.490 --> 00:08:53.750 of it was found within the work of the people 00:08:53.750 --> 00:08:56.210 being poured out. And so that's where that definition 00:08:56.210 --> 00:08:58.649 kind of surfaced was that it's just the work 00:08:58.649 --> 00:09:01.529 of the people. Yeah. Which I think is really 00:09:01.529 --> 00:09:05.850 great. And what you're referring to, using the 00:09:05.850 --> 00:09:08.549 word like liturgical, what I think people are, 00:09:08.649 --> 00:09:11.029 I think they can picture in their heads, they're 00:09:11.029 --> 00:09:14.490 seeing what we would call maybe a high church 00:09:14.490 --> 00:09:17.330 service, right? Where maybe there's incense involved, 00:09:17.490 --> 00:09:21.870 there's some sort of obvious order of service. 00:09:22.009 --> 00:09:24.309 And what I think you're getting at, and I think 00:09:24.309 --> 00:09:26.909 you're right, liturgy actually encompasses everything 00:09:26.909 --> 00:09:30.769 we do on a Saturday night or a Sunday morning. 00:09:30.830 --> 00:09:34.730 It's not just relegated to the high church tradition. 00:09:35.429 --> 00:09:37.509 It's something that I think pervades everything 00:09:37.509 --> 00:09:41.509 that we do, which I think is super cool. And 00:09:41.509 --> 00:09:44.149 one of the things that I found really fascinating 00:09:44.149 --> 00:09:49.860 about liturgy was James K .A. Smith, in his book 00:09:49.860 --> 00:09:52.460 Desiring the Kingdom, he kind of breaks liturgy 00:09:52.460 --> 00:09:58.279 out into a wider kind of context. And he's using 00:09:58.279 --> 00:10:00.600 Augustine all over the place. But what I found 00:10:00.600 --> 00:10:03.600 fascinating is he points, liturgy is always pointing 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:07.700 at something. It's pointing at something is specifically 00:10:07.700 --> 00:10:10.360 - It's directional. Yeah, it's forming us towards 00:10:10.360 --> 00:10:12.600 something. And one of the things that I found 00:10:12.600 --> 00:10:15.019 fascinating is how he brought liturgy into a 00:10:15.019 --> 00:10:18.529 context of - even our daily life, and how there 00:10:18.529 --> 00:10:23.029 are liturgies outside of the service that form 00:10:23.029 --> 00:10:25.169 us into certain things. And one of the things 00:10:25.169 --> 00:10:27.570 that I found fascinating that was helpful for 00:10:27.570 --> 00:10:29.669 me was just the way he talks about even social 00:10:29.669 --> 00:10:33.309 media use. So the practice of if I wake up, the 00:10:33.309 --> 00:10:36.509 first thing I go to is a Facebook or Instagram 00:10:36.509 --> 00:10:41.330 or something. And that cycle of response and 00:10:41.330 --> 00:10:44.490 how detrimentally that forms me into a person. 00:10:45.179 --> 00:10:47.919 That is not very Christlike. Yeah. And so I think 00:10:47.919 --> 00:10:50.059 it's great that we're thinking a little bit deeply 00:10:50.059 --> 00:10:52.500 about why we do what we do. Yeah. Because it 00:10:52.500 --> 00:10:56.080 is directional. It is important that we become 00:10:56.080 --> 00:10:59.120 Christlike. Yeah. I think Louis Giglio at the 00:10:59.120 --> 00:11:02.440 moment is doing some phenomenal work on algorithm 00:11:02.440 --> 00:11:09.179 and how their whole collection is called Recommended 00:11:09.179 --> 00:11:11.460 for You. Yeah. But the idea that the algorithm 00:11:11.460 --> 00:11:13.960 is recommending for you something next. Yeah. 00:11:14.429 --> 00:11:17.669 But it's not neutral, right? And so, and what 00:11:17.669 --> 00:11:21.809 he's saying as a pastor is, okay, if you're spending 00:11:21.809 --> 00:11:25.149 upward of five to eight hours, which is modest 00:11:25.149 --> 00:11:30.110 on your phone, and let's say two of those are 00:11:30.110 --> 00:11:33.509 any form of social media, or even, it doesn't 00:11:33.509 --> 00:11:34.889 even have to be that, it could be a form of entertainment, 00:11:35.250 --> 00:11:37.889 right? YouTube has an algorithm. Netflix has 00:11:37.889 --> 00:11:42.289 an algorithm. Like, so to your point, not only 00:11:42.289 --> 00:11:44.870 am I getting on Facebook, but there's, somebody 00:11:44.870 --> 00:11:47.269 else is already trying to form me yes right and 00:11:47.269 --> 00:11:51.710 so the idea of these actions that i have are 00:11:51.710 --> 00:11:54.389 going to move me and shape me towards what i 00:11:54.389 --> 00:11:57.610 become then there's a liturgy of my life right 00:11:57.610 --> 00:12:00.129 like there's a pattern to my life that i have 00:12:00.129 --> 00:12:03.610 the pattern in mind i brush my teeth first thing 00:12:03.610 --> 00:12:06.090 in the morning right like it's just part of the 00:12:06.090 --> 00:12:09.350 liturgy of being me right my wife doesn't she 00:12:09.350 --> 00:12:11.210 would prefer to eat first and then brush her 00:12:11.210 --> 00:12:14.279 teeth right And so there's different things, 00:12:14.379 --> 00:12:18.620 but each of those are forming. And in that case, 00:12:18.620 --> 00:12:21.600 it's dental hygiene, right? But I think he's 00:12:21.600 --> 00:12:23.440 right if you follow it. And I think with the 00:12:23.440 --> 00:12:26.440 algorithm stuff that Louis, like I would recommend 00:12:26.440 --> 00:12:28.980 Passion City and what they're doing right now 00:12:28.980 --> 00:12:32.299 because it's so relevant to the conversation 00:12:32.299 --> 00:12:34.519 for the day and age we live. Yeah. Well, and 00:12:34.519 --> 00:12:38.620 I think it's a response too because I think growing 00:12:38.620 --> 00:12:42.169 up, because I grew up before. the smartphone 00:12:42.169 --> 00:12:44.590 was officially launched. So I remember a time 00:12:44.590 --> 00:12:47.169 before smartphones. But when the smartphone was 00:12:47.169 --> 00:12:50.029 launched and it just became ubiquitous, it was 00:12:50.029 --> 00:12:53.190 everywhere, I feel like, and I could be wrong, 00:12:53.230 --> 00:12:55.870 you can correct me, it was marketed as a completely 00:12:55.870 --> 00:13:02.049 neutral tool. Oh, yeah. And it enhanced human 00:13:02.049 --> 00:13:05.129 beings. And if I remember right, it came from 00:13:05.129 --> 00:13:09.750 the BlackBerry. Yes. And the BlackBerry was primarily 00:13:09.750 --> 00:13:12.929 about work. the blackberry is primarily you can 00:13:12.929 --> 00:13:14.929 get your email like it was it was a good thing 00:13:14.929 --> 00:13:18.149 you can get your email with you so that you don't 00:13:18.149 --> 00:13:20.350 have to be connected to this desktop and you 00:13:20.350 --> 00:13:22.570 got a full keyboard with it you got a full keyboard 00:13:22.570 --> 00:13:25.970 so so i could actually send a response real time 00:13:25.970 --> 00:13:28.850 while on the go right so it sounded something 00:13:28.850 --> 00:13:31.509 great until now you're writing email at 12 30 00:13:31.509 --> 00:13:33.529 at night when you should be sleeping right and 00:13:33.529 --> 00:13:38.230 because you're spun up yep so then what followed 00:13:38.230 --> 00:13:42.580 with it to the smartphone we know of today was 00:13:42.580 --> 00:13:46.320 the ability to put apps. And so I think the term, 00:13:46.379 --> 00:13:48.539 it's interesting, we don't necessarily use it 00:13:48.539 --> 00:13:52.179 anymore, but supercomputer, right? Back in the 00:13:52.179 --> 00:13:54.320 day to even have a computer, I can remember a 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:57.200 day when my brother had one and it was the old 00:13:57.200 --> 00:14:00.000 IBM with the big old floppy five and a half inch 00:14:00.000 --> 00:14:04.860 disc that you had to put in. It was pixels on 00:14:04.860 --> 00:14:07.820 a screen, but the machine was so large, you couldn't 00:14:07.820 --> 00:14:11.360 haul it around. And I think what's interesting 00:14:11.360 --> 00:14:14.179 with the supercomputer in your pocket is it's 00:14:14.179 --> 00:14:17.639 more powerful than anything, right? And so now 00:14:17.639 --> 00:14:20.659 I not only now I'm able to do email, I can do 00:14:20.659 --> 00:14:24.779 anything, right? I can replace devices with what 00:14:24.779 --> 00:14:27.620 is with me at all times. And so I just think, 00:14:27.700 --> 00:14:30.419 yeah, it's shifted drastically. And with that, 00:14:31.469 --> 00:14:34.590 it's become a major source of forming us to the 00:14:34.590 --> 00:14:37.470 point where I, the other day I went to reach 00:14:37.470 --> 00:14:40.710 for my pocket and went, Oh man, where's my phone? 00:14:40.950 --> 00:14:42.649 Like, and there was almost like this sense of 00:14:42.649 --> 00:14:46.090 panic of your stomach drops. Yeah. Like, because 00:14:46.090 --> 00:14:49.409 I just didn't remember where I had it last. And, 00:14:49.429 --> 00:14:52.370 and so, I mean, it's become so, so different. 00:14:52.429 --> 00:14:54.389 The world shifted so much. And so back to the 00:14:54.389 --> 00:14:57.690 idea of liturgy of why we do what we do. Yeah. 00:14:58.029 --> 00:15:00.809 um yeah i think i think we need that in all of 00:15:00.809 --> 00:15:04.009 life because we're being formed yeah um throughout 00:15:04.009 --> 00:15:07.830 the entire entirety of our day week whatever 00:15:07.830 --> 00:15:11.090 it happens to be right and that's why maybe maybe 00:15:11.090 --> 00:15:13.470 the gathering maybe the service itself is so 00:15:13.470 --> 00:15:18.509 fundamentally important because if you are not 00:15:18.509 --> 00:15:21.429 gathering and having these rhythms having this 00:15:21.429 --> 00:15:24.879 liturgy form the way you walk through the rest 00:15:24.879 --> 00:15:27.779 of the week, we often, I think, are buffeted 00:15:27.779 --> 00:15:31.299 around and around by other things trying to form 00:15:31.299 --> 00:15:34.019 us. And sometimes those things are great, right? 00:15:34.139 --> 00:15:37.419 Like I can think of the rhythm or the liturgy 00:15:37.419 --> 00:15:41.620 of youth sports, right? Youth sports is, I grew 00:15:41.620 --> 00:15:43.720 up in the process of youth sports. Like I loved 00:15:43.720 --> 00:15:47.320 playing soccer growing up and there was a liturgy 00:15:47.320 --> 00:15:49.720 of every weekend there was a tournament or a 00:15:49.720 --> 00:15:53.750 game or something. How quickly that that can 00:15:53.750 --> 00:15:57.669 come to dominate our entire life to the detriment 00:15:57.669 --> 00:16:00.710 of what Christ is doing. I had somebody tell 00:16:00.710 --> 00:16:04.049 me recently, I never had, I mean, I kind of did 00:16:04.049 --> 00:16:06.470 partially for maybe six months, had a daughter 00:16:06.470 --> 00:16:10.850 in dance. But I had a parent of a kid who's in 00:16:10.850 --> 00:16:14.450 dance and they were having an aha moment of the 00:16:14.450 --> 00:16:18.389 studio is raising our daughter because there's 00:16:18.389 --> 00:16:22.149 more time spent there. where she's being formed 00:16:22.149 --> 00:16:26.049 than there is in the home. And they were trying 00:16:26.049 --> 00:16:29.250 to find that balance of how do we, obviously 00:16:29.250 --> 00:16:31.049 you got to make sure then the studio you're in 00:16:31.049 --> 00:16:33.330 and who the teacher is really matters, right? 00:16:33.789 --> 00:16:37.669 Because I think with the sports world, yes, it's 00:16:37.669 --> 00:16:41.210 a practice. Yes. But it's not the hours upon 00:16:41.210 --> 00:16:44.350 hours every single day. And then these long weekends 00:16:44.350 --> 00:16:47.429 where, like we had long weekends, but you're 00:16:47.429 --> 00:16:49.470 with your team and you're with your family. It's 00:16:49.470 --> 00:16:52.120 not. And so they were just coming to this aha 00:16:52.120 --> 00:16:57.019 of like, oh, wow, the studio is majorly influential 00:16:57.019 --> 00:17:01.019 in the forming of our daughter, which was fascinating. 00:17:01.340 --> 00:17:04.240 I mean, again, I'm not in that world. But it 00:17:04.240 --> 00:17:06.680 speaks to what you're getting at, that it does 00:17:06.680 --> 00:17:10.819 form us. And I think it's interesting in church 00:17:10.819 --> 00:17:17.680 world that we assume that the way we do things 00:17:17.680 --> 00:17:22.710 is getting, the heart shape the way that we want 00:17:22.710 --> 00:17:29.269 it to be. So we assume that the way, so, so if 00:17:29.269 --> 00:17:31.490 I go back in my own history, the Baptist church 00:17:31.490 --> 00:17:35.730 in England, very traditional pipe organ, you 00:17:35.730 --> 00:17:38.009 had the numbers for the songs up on the wall, 00:17:38.069 --> 00:17:40.309 right? Like they would put up the hymn numbers 00:17:40.309 --> 00:17:43.190 and then you had a hymn book. And at some point 00:17:43.190 --> 00:17:45.390 you were going to sing either all four together, 00:17:45.549 --> 00:17:48.789 three together, like, but you knew this was, 00:17:48.789 --> 00:17:52.009 this was the, the songs. This was a, and I feel 00:17:52.009 --> 00:17:54.829 like the modern church called the modern church. 00:17:54.930 --> 00:17:57.390 That was the modern church, I guess, but you 00:17:57.390 --> 00:18:00.710 know, like it feels, feels old, feels 40 years. 00:18:00.789 --> 00:18:04.630 Yeah. And, and what's interesting is we're attached 00:18:04.630 --> 00:18:07.190 to the same thing. We may not put the numbers 00:18:07.190 --> 00:18:09.970 on the wall, but we're attached to, Hey, I come 00:18:09.970 --> 00:18:12.750 in and I sing. Yeah. Right. I come in and I have 00:18:12.750 --> 00:18:15.289 time. I come in and, and we assume that that's 00:18:15.289 --> 00:18:19.200 the best way for us to be formed. Yes. And I 00:18:19.200 --> 00:18:23.140 think that's some of the beauty of even our Heights 00:18:23.140 --> 00:18:25.359 family is we get to play with those things. We 00:18:25.359 --> 00:18:28.559 get to challenge those things. We're changing 00:18:28.559 --> 00:18:31.500 things often enough. And I think recently there 00:18:31.500 --> 00:18:35.680 is a thought process. And people are all over 00:18:35.680 --> 00:18:38.220 the place. Like I've heard Psalm 100, right? 00:18:38.440 --> 00:18:40.900 Enter his courts with thanksgiving and praise. 00:18:41.720 --> 00:18:46.390 So therefore, that wasn't a church. Right. That 00:18:46.390 --> 00:18:48.549 was not. And if you play that out, they were 00:18:48.549 --> 00:18:50.849 actually worshiping on the way to the temple. 00:18:50.890 --> 00:18:53.210 Right. So it was a continuation of even what 00:18:53.210 --> 00:18:56.069 was happening. Right. Like in the context there, 00:18:56.150 --> 00:18:58.829 they are not getting ready for a message. They're 00:18:58.829 --> 00:19:02.369 not getting ready for a host to come out. Right. 00:19:02.490 --> 00:19:05.549 And so I think it's just interesting in chatting 00:19:05.549 --> 00:19:08.430 with people about obviously the last couple of 00:19:08.430 --> 00:19:11.410 weeks we've started with message. Yeah. And really 00:19:11.410 --> 00:19:15.970 for me, what's. Kind of the deep formation of 00:19:15.970 --> 00:19:21.430 that is the argument I always hear is that this 00:19:21.430 --> 00:19:24.589 is like going into battle. And in battle in the 00:19:24.589 --> 00:19:29.809 Old Testament, you put worship out front. We're 00:19:29.809 --> 00:19:33.089 not going into battle. We're gathering as a family. 00:19:33.289 --> 00:19:37.690 Right. And most people that enter the room aren't 00:19:37.690 --> 00:19:41.259 ready to sing. They're dropping their kiddo off. 00:19:41.440 --> 00:19:44.299 They're stressed. They got there whenever. And 00:19:44.299 --> 00:19:47.240 what we're noticing as a church family is if 00:19:47.240 --> 00:19:51.079 worship really is of a high value, we're noticing 00:19:51.079 --> 00:19:54.920 that by the third song, maybe 70 % of the room 00:19:54.920 --> 00:19:59.940 is engaging because they're not ready. And so 00:19:59.940 --> 00:20:03.799 like for me, just looking at it and going, that's 00:20:03.799 --> 00:20:07.259 a philosophy that says worship prepares you for 00:20:07.259 --> 00:20:10.140 the word. Yes. Like you do the battle up front, 00:20:10.180 --> 00:20:12.500 then you're ready for the word to be sown. Right. 00:20:13.299 --> 00:20:16.160 I actually am beginning to question that box 00:20:16.160 --> 00:20:18.339 and go, I think it's the word that prepares me 00:20:18.339 --> 00:20:21.039 to worship. Because worship's a response. Yes. 00:20:21.039 --> 00:20:23.960 Like worship is something that God's moved in 00:20:23.960 --> 00:20:26.920 me and the natural thing for me to do is honor 00:20:26.920 --> 00:20:31.259 him with a moment of, you know, we call it worship, 00:20:31.319 --> 00:20:33.240 but really it's singing, right? Like we're in 00:20:33.240 --> 00:20:36.940 song, we're praising. In song, we're ascribing 00:20:36.940 --> 00:20:40.059 value and meaning and honor and glory. And so 00:20:40.059 --> 00:20:43.660 for me, it really is just lately with our team 00:20:43.660 --> 00:20:46.660 and now with the church family, just really getting 00:20:46.660 --> 00:20:49.960 to challenge, what do we see that happens? And 00:20:49.960 --> 00:20:53.519 I would say the response from the last two weeks 00:20:53.519 --> 00:20:57.220 is that the room is ready to worship when we 00:20:57.220 --> 00:21:03.019 begin. And so just asking questions, like asking 00:21:03.019 --> 00:21:08.220 the... if worship is a response, and I had this 00:21:08.220 --> 00:21:10.920 conversation actually with somebody about it, 00:21:10.980 --> 00:21:15.720 that they were talking about the idea of coming 00:21:15.720 --> 00:21:20.119 with praise. And my response to that is the ones 00:21:20.119 --> 00:21:23.160 that do, they're probably more mature in the 00:21:23.160 --> 00:21:25.700 faith. They've been worshiping on their way to 00:21:25.700 --> 00:21:29.019 church. They've been in the Word throughout the 00:21:29.019 --> 00:21:31.559 week. They're thinking about Jesus. They're excited 00:21:31.559 --> 00:21:34.519 to be with the family. And they're consistent, 00:21:34.740 --> 00:21:39.859 right? That's a different group of people than 00:21:39.859 --> 00:21:42.160 the average person that's walking into church, 00:21:42.299 --> 00:21:45.119 the average parent that's walking into church. 00:21:45.240 --> 00:21:48.700 And so it's just interesting that there's a maturity 00:21:48.700 --> 00:21:51.559 piece that if that's true, and I don't know what 00:21:51.559 --> 00:21:53.799 percentage that is, then only that percentage 00:21:53.799 --> 00:21:58.000 is ready to worship right out the gate. Otherwise, 00:21:58.200 --> 00:22:01.980 they don't have. To respond to. And hopefully 00:22:01.980 --> 00:22:04.400 during the time in the word, they're actually 00:22:04.400 --> 00:22:07.099 getting to slow down and go, okay, as we gather 00:22:07.099 --> 00:22:10.119 around this Jesus, how is this Jesus reminding 00:22:10.119 --> 00:22:13.319 me of something in the week or impacting me in 00:22:13.319 --> 00:22:16.220 the moment? Yeah. And now I have something where 00:22:16.220 --> 00:22:18.440 I go, I want to give honor back. I want to give 00:22:18.440 --> 00:22:20.859 glory back. So that's kind of where we've been 00:22:20.859 --> 00:22:22.920 sitting. And there's a lot there. There's a lot 00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:25.470 there that I think. is really important for our 00:22:25.470 --> 00:22:27.430 church family here. But I think also one of the 00:22:27.430 --> 00:22:29.849 things you touched on, you mentioned Psalm 100, 00:22:29.950 --> 00:22:32.089 enter his courts with thanksgiving and praise. 00:22:32.910 --> 00:22:36.670 So you're telling me that scripture doesn't have 00:22:36.670 --> 00:22:40.369 between like Acts and Luke, like there's not 00:22:40.369 --> 00:22:44.109 a specific church order is what we're seeing 00:22:44.109 --> 00:22:47.289 in scripture, right? Yeah. So there is, it seems 00:22:47.289 --> 00:22:48.829 like there's a freedom. Yeah, there's a degree 00:22:48.829 --> 00:22:51.730 of freedom given. Yeah. And it seems like as 00:22:51.730 --> 00:22:55.269 long as if... what we are doing as the gathered 00:22:55.269 --> 00:22:58.029 body is worshiping through the entire service 00:22:58.029 --> 00:23:01.529 and responding in worship to what God has done 00:23:01.529 --> 00:23:04.289 through his son and spirit, then there seems 00:23:04.289 --> 00:23:07.390 to be freedom in how we do that. And so whether 00:23:07.390 --> 00:23:10.869 the message is first, second, last, wherever 00:23:10.869 --> 00:23:13.789 it lands, it sounds like we're still doing the 00:23:13.789 --> 00:23:15.930 same thing. It's we're responding in worship 00:23:15.930 --> 00:23:18.829 through the whole service. Yeah. And you think 00:23:18.829 --> 00:23:21.630 of how traditionally in the last six months, 00:23:21.670 --> 00:23:24.769 if you took the Maybe the format we do the most. 00:23:24.789 --> 00:23:30.509 It's one song, then a host with giving. If giving 00:23:30.509 --> 00:23:32.509 is an act of worship, then giving is out of a 00:23:32.509 --> 00:23:37.309 response. What am I responding to? Like if I 00:23:37.309 --> 00:23:40.250 came in and I'm not ready to worship in song 00:23:40.250 --> 00:23:43.849 yet, so the first song has just been my heart 00:23:43.849 --> 00:23:47.869 catching up with, wait, I'm in church. I'm settling 00:23:47.869 --> 00:23:50.190 to the lights. I'm settling to the room. I'm 00:23:50.190 --> 00:23:53.160 settling to the whatever. And now the very next 00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:59.660 thing is give. And man, we can go a lot of ways 00:23:59.660 --> 00:24:01.359 on this one. Yeah. I'm just going to cook for 00:24:01.359 --> 00:24:07.779 a sec. Cook. Let him cook. So if in that moment 00:24:07.779 --> 00:24:14.000 of giving, we put it up front, why? Is that because 00:24:14.000 --> 00:24:18.890 that's the place you get the best response? Is 00:24:18.890 --> 00:24:21.670 that because we want it to be prevalent and not 00:24:21.670 --> 00:24:27.049 missed? Is that because we believe the response 00:24:27.049 --> 00:24:31.470 in giving would be higher at that point? And 00:24:31.470 --> 00:24:34.230 I just have no interest in any of those. Giving 00:24:34.230 --> 00:24:38.750 is about the heart. You see the words of Jesus, 00:24:38.789 --> 00:24:41.849 and it's so deeply connected to the heart of 00:24:41.849 --> 00:24:44.650 the individual and the growth of the individual. 00:24:45.559 --> 00:24:48.640 I would much prefer to have a conversation about 00:24:48.640 --> 00:24:52.880 giving as an act of worship and connecting it 00:24:52.880 --> 00:24:54.980 because I do think it's a spiritual rhythm that's 00:24:54.980 --> 00:24:58.700 deeply important to your growth, right? I'd much 00:24:58.700 --> 00:25:01.859 prefer to have that after the Lord's already 00:25:01.859 --> 00:25:04.480 worked on you, after you've had a chance to worship 00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:09.259 in song. Yes. And now it makes sense that it 00:25:09.259 --> 00:25:13.099 would touch that part of my life. Yeah. Versus 00:25:13.099 --> 00:25:17.289 why... And why are we putting it where we're 00:25:17.289 --> 00:25:19.230 putting it? Is it for the individual? Is it for 00:25:19.230 --> 00:25:22.109 the church as a structure? I have no interest 00:25:22.109 --> 00:25:25.549 in a structure. Structures come and go. But the 00:25:25.549 --> 00:25:28.450 growth of the individual and the growth of what 00:25:28.450 --> 00:25:30.910 that moment is. So when you start to analyze 00:25:30.910 --> 00:25:35.890 the tradition we've been given, the liturgy we've 00:25:35.890 --> 00:25:38.970 been given, right? The order. The order. You 00:25:38.970 --> 00:25:42.410 start to analyze that and you go, okay, there's 00:25:42.410 --> 00:25:45.240 nothing wrong with the parts. Yeah. But are the 00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:49.099 parts actually helping form us? Or have they 00:25:49.099 --> 00:25:52.680 become something that's getting lost in the mix 00:25:52.680 --> 00:25:55.099 of it all? Well, and it's so fascinating to me 00:25:55.099 --> 00:25:57.819 because even by doing the message first, I think 00:25:57.819 --> 00:26:01.240 it's demonstrating a conviction for us that we 00:26:01.240 --> 00:26:04.680 truly believe that when you open scripture, you 00:26:04.680 --> 00:26:07.180 will encounter the risen Jesus. Absolutely. Like 00:26:07.180 --> 00:26:10.470 that, it's not this. how -to book. It's not a 00:26:10.470 --> 00:26:13.950 scientific textbook. It is not just this information 00:26:13.950 --> 00:26:18.009 dump, but it is an encounter with the risen Jesus. 00:26:18.170 --> 00:26:20.710 That is what scripture is functioning as. And 00:26:20.710 --> 00:26:23.589 so by flipping for these last two weeks, the 00:26:23.589 --> 00:26:26.529 message being first, there's a tangible response 00:26:26.529 --> 00:26:30.990 to the risen Jesus and who the sower is, right? 00:26:31.130 --> 00:26:34.029 This was last week, the generosity piece. That 00:26:34.029 --> 00:26:39.420 generous piece takes on a whole new meaning when 00:26:39.420 --> 00:26:43.140 you are singing knowing how generous christ is 00:26:43.140 --> 00:26:46.279 yeah because again during your week we don't 00:26:46.279 --> 00:26:48.619 know where people are getting anything about 00:26:48.619 --> 00:26:50.779 and having this encounter with jesus there are 00:26:50.779 --> 00:26:52.640 some of our church family who are incredibly 00:26:52.640 --> 00:26:55.799 mature that are absolutely those rhythms are 00:26:55.799 --> 00:26:57.700 there and they are having this encounter and 00:26:57.700 --> 00:26:59.660 they're the ones what's interesting is when you 00:26:59.660 --> 00:27:01.720 have conversations with them they're also the 00:27:01.720 --> 00:27:04.309 ones going yeah it was great yeah They're just 00:27:04.309 --> 00:27:07.309 not phased by it, right? Because their maturity 00:27:07.309 --> 00:27:13.049 and where they're at with Jesus isn't dependent 00:27:13.049 --> 00:27:18.190 on the order that I'm receiving things in, right? 00:27:18.329 --> 00:27:21.009 And then I would say on the other side of that, 00:27:21.069 --> 00:27:23.130 you have the deeply mature at heights, but you 00:27:23.130 --> 00:27:26.930 also have the brand new, right? Like maybe the 00:27:26.930 --> 00:27:30.819 far from God. Yeah. Well, I'm with you. I would 00:27:30.819 --> 00:27:34.940 much prefer that the far from God hear about 00:27:34.940 --> 00:27:37.440 this God who is generous and kind and pursuing 00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:39.220 them and not going to give up and continuing 00:27:39.220 --> 00:27:41.579 to talk and probably has been talking. And now 00:27:41.579 --> 00:27:44.319 they get to kind of see these. I'd much prefer 00:27:44.319 --> 00:27:47.839 them to be in that posture going into. I mean, 00:27:47.859 --> 00:27:50.339 let's be honest, it's a form of karaoke, right? 00:27:50.420 --> 00:27:55.079 Like, you know what I mean? It really is. It's 00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:57.980 words on the screen and we're all singing. All 00:27:57.980 --> 00:28:00.400 we're missing is the color change of the words, 00:28:00.460 --> 00:28:05.019 right? Yeah. But there is that piece that I'm 00:28:05.019 --> 00:28:07.640 sensitive to of someone who is far from God. 00:28:08.859 --> 00:28:12.720 I would much prefer for them to get the moment 00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:15.559 where God is meeting them and working in their 00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:19.720 hearing. And then this response makes sense. 00:28:19.940 --> 00:28:23.000 Yeah. Then to talk about giving. When we've just 00:28:23.000 --> 00:28:25.099 spent how long talking about the generous God. 00:28:25.259 --> 00:28:27.039 Right. It's one thing to get up during a giving 00:28:27.039 --> 00:28:29.740 spot and go, hey, God is generous, right? Like 00:28:29.740 --> 00:28:32.079 he's been generous towards you. Yeah. It's another 00:28:32.079 --> 00:28:33.779 thing when we spend, I don't know how long the 00:28:33.779 --> 00:28:37.420 message was, probably too long, 35 minutes talking 00:28:37.420 --> 00:28:41.240 about this God who is generously sowing seed 00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:43.839 to see an abundant harvest in your life. Yes. 00:28:43.900 --> 00:28:47.619 That's for your life, right? that will grow into 00:28:47.619 --> 00:28:50.400 the kingdom of God. So then somebody get up and 00:28:50.400 --> 00:28:55.099 go, man, we see how God, generous God is. You 00:28:55.099 --> 00:28:56.460 don't really have to say anything else, right? 00:28:56.500 --> 00:28:58.779 Like they're already like, oh yeah, like I feel 00:28:58.779 --> 00:29:01.880 it. I've experienced it. That's the key word. 00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:05.539 As a host, it makes my job far easier because 00:29:05.539 --> 00:29:08.519 it's already latent throughout the service. I'm 00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:11.559 not having to come up with new things to talk 00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:14.190 about because it's already been set. And it's 00:29:14.190 --> 00:29:17.529 just a reaffirmation. Or, man, I don't know how 00:29:17.529 --> 00:29:21.569 much I should say. Or we manipulate stories. 00:29:23.029 --> 00:29:26.450 Right? Manipulate is a strong word. Let's say 00:29:26.450 --> 00:29:31.789 leverage. We leverage a story to then push you 00:29:31.789 --> 00:29:38.190 to give. Again, if giving is a response, then 00:29:38.190 --> 00:29:41.190 the story is about a celebration of somebody 00:29:41.190 --> 00:29:44.599 in that response. not a moment I'm leveraging 00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:46.960 so that you will. Does that make sense? So we 00:29:46.960 --> 00:29:49.980 should be telling the story. The story is something 00:29:49.980 --> 00:29:53.240 that absolutely, it's a life change. God has 00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:55.900 formed them. They are giving it away. Like all 00:29:55.900 --> 00:29:58.319 the things that we are celebrating that happens 00:29:58.319 --> 00:30:02.980 when the gospel reaches our life. However, if 00:30:02.980 --> 00:30:05.420 I'm utilizing that to leverage something else, 00:30:05.440 --> 00:30:09.420 that feels off to me. Versus just celebrating, 00:30:09.619 --> 00:30:12.319 hey, let me. Let's just celebrate what God's 00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:14.460 doing. Let's just celebrate changed life. Let's 00:30:14.460 --> 00:30:16.480 just celebrate someone who experienced Jesus 00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:18.619 and now is taking that experience and giving 00:30:18.619 --> 00:30:23.559 it away in a generous matter. That's so different 00:30:23.559 --> 00:30:25.839 than I'm going to tell you this so I can get 00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:29.779 you to this. And I'm not saying there's any ill 00:30:29.779 --> 00:30:33.420 will or anybody's intentionally been or that 00:30:33.420 --> 00:30:36.440 there's anything bad or it's just sitting here 00:30:36.440 --> 00:30:39.829 and questioning and going. Man, I think we need 00:30:39.829 --> 00:30:42.470 to dig deeper there. I think there's more here 00:30:42.470 --> 00:30:45.109 that we're missing. Well, and I think, I hope, 00:30:45.130 --> 00:30:47.930 what our family is hearing in this moment is 00:30:47.930 --> 00:30:52.309 you are deeply burdened for knowing why we do 00:30:52.309 --> 00:30:55.609 the things we do and how it affects and comes 00:30:55.609 --> 00:30:58.329 across. This is not something we just choose. 00:30:58.410 --> 00:31:04.049 I think sometimes people can have a sort of flippancy. 00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:08.220 to how we do church or how we even do the spiritual 00:31:08.220 --> 00:31:11.200 life. And what I hope people hear is that, no, 00:31:11.299 --> 00:31:13.660 there is no flippancy here. There is a deep burden 00:31:13.660 --> 00:31:18.400 that as we continue to walk on the path, as we 00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:21.359 continue to be obedient to what we believe Christ 00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:24.839 is calling us to, we want to do that in truth 00:31:24.839 --> 00:31:27.740 and beauty and goodness. This is not optional. 00:31:28.339 --> 00:31:30.880 And so there's a burden there. So I hope people 00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:36.000 get that. Yeah, I do too. I've been around the 00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:39.339 church long enough. Some people know me. I'll 00:31:39.339 --> 00:31:40.720 be the first one to hold my hands up and go, 00:31:40.779 --> 00:31:43.480 yeah, we chase fads. We chase the latest whatever, 00:31:43.720 --> 00:31:48.420 right? I'm too old for that. Not in a bad way. 00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:52.039 I just recognize that's not... I recognize the 00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:56.859 incorrectness of the focus of some of the younger 00:31:56.859 --> 00:32:03.579 years where it was about, man, how wow and how... 00:32:04.539 --> 00:32:06.759 How can we make this stand out? Or how can we, 00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:09.579 wow, that's working for them. Let's grab that. 00:32:09.740 --> 00:32:13.960 And that's gone. It is, to your point, it is 00:32:13.960 --> 00:32:17.220 just a genuine burden to go, how do we help people 00:32:17.220 --> 00:32:21.619 know, see, and experience Jesus? How do we help 00:32:21.619 --> 00:32:24.660 them experience a life change that forms them? 00:32:24.779 --> 00:32:27.720 How do we help them experience something on a 00:32:27.720 --> 00:32:31.160 weekend that would drive them to want more of 00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:36.190 Jesus? And, and that be the motivator to, instead 00:32:36.190 --> 00:32:42.109 of just this church world that gets treated like 00:32:42.109 --> 00:32:43.630 the business world, right? Like that, if you 00:32:43.630 --> 00:32:45.609 do this, you do this, you do this, you will be 00:32:45.609 --> 00:32:48.809 a church of this much. It's extremely pragmatic. 00:32:48.890 --> 00:32:52.329 Yeah. And, and yeah, there's wisdom you can learn 00:32:52.329 --> 00:32:55.690 along the way. So for example, you talk about 00:32:55.690 --> 00:32:58.380 finances. Yeah. Man, we better steward those 00:32:58.380 --> 00:33:00.579 really well. There's some really great software 00:33:00.579 --> 00:33:03.960 that has been developed by other churches. Yes, 00:33:04.140 --> 00:33:07.859 please. Me personally, I need all the help I 00:33:07.859 --> 00:33:11.099 can get. We have a phenomenal finance team. And 00:33:11.099 --> 00:33:13.660 so there is elements of this where you go, no, 00:33:13.779 --> 00:33:17.000 this is good. But there's also elements that 00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:20.220 we got to stop and go, why are we doing this? 00:33:20.299 --> 00:33:22.519 Is this because God's led us to it? Is it because 00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:27.140 we've consumed it from somewhere else? And we're 00:33:27.140 --> 00:33:29.000 trying to be something that God isn't calling 00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:33.960 us to be. What I'm hearing from knowing you and 00:33:33.960 --> 00:33:35.380 knowing a little bit of your story, what I'm 00:33:35.380 --> 00:33:38.259 hearing you kind of express is this. There's 00:33:38.259 --> 00:33:41.140 been a development in your life, especially in 00:33:41.140 --> 00:33:44.480 the last 10 years, of what it means to listen 00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:49.119 to what God is calling us to. And not to say 00:33:49.119 --> 00:33:51.319 that God does not work through some of the fads 00:33:51.319 --> 00:33:54.500 or mistakes, all of those things. He's bigger 00:33:54.500 --> 00:33:56.660 than all those. Yeah, yeah. But there seems to 00:33:56.660 --> 00:33:59.539 be, for you, there's been a development in that 00:33:59.539 --> 00:34:05.940 listening posture that God has you in. And that 00:34:05.940 --> 00:34:07.799 seemed to be at the center of your message this 00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:12.719 weekend, was the necessity of listening to the 00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:15.719 sower and the obviousness when we're not listening. 00:34:16.420 --> 00:34:20.179 How did you come to that? Because again, you 00:34:20.179 --> 00:34:24.550 placed the sower... story the parable next to 00:34:24.550 --> 00:34:27.650 the lamp story and i know and i know for me that's 00:34:27.650 --> 00:34:30.170 not a very common practice that we see in most 00:34:30.170 --> 00:34:32.829 in the commentaries we read like that's not something 00:34:32.829 --> 00:34:35.210 that gets done very often so how did you kind 00:34:35.210 --> 00:34:37.369 of come to that what was that process like for 00:34:37.369 --> 00:34:40.809 you uh it actually came from the beard yeah because 00:34:40.809 --> 00:34:45.050 the beard challenged me uh two sundays ago he's 00:34:45.050 --> 00:34:47.570 like you ever you ever written your message out 00:34:47.570 --> 00:34:49.929 i'm like word for word i'm like it's been it's 00:34:49.929 --> 00:34:52.289 been a while but i used to yeah he's like so 00:34:52.289 --> 00:34:55.170 people know you just bring up your bible yeah 00:34:55.170 --> 00:34:59.090 so just like this is so this is so foreign writing 00:34:59.090 --> 00:35:01.809 out your message okay yeah now people have the 00:35:01.809 --> 00:35:05.409 context and to be fair if you went in the back 00:35:05.409 --> 00:35:09.210 um there's a table that there's a notebook on 00:35:09.210 --> 00:35:12.409 yeah and it's different notes different points 00:35:12.409 --> 00:35:15.269 whatever but it's not necessarily like written 00:35:15.269 --> 00:35:19.110 out in order yeah um the order actually comes 00:35:19.110 --> 00:35:24.550 on my phone and it's often when i get to saturday 00:35:24.550 --> 00:35:27.269 night that i'll take all those thoughts and then 00:35:27.269 --> 00:35:30.050 put them into the order that yeah i feel like 00:35:30.050 --> 00:35:32.010 god's leading it to you so yeah so people have 00:35:32.010 --> 00:35:35.210 the context that's yeah so that's david's question 00:35:35.210 --> 00:35:38.960 or the beard's question like um Hey, have you 00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:40.719 ever done this? And I was like, well, long time 00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:42.320 ago. And he's like, no, no, no, not word for 00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:45.039 word. Like, have you ever tried to write a message 00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:47.820 like you would write a book? And it just intrigued 00:35:47.820 --> 00:35:51.000 me. And his point was, we were talking about 00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:56.000 the phone and God calling in classic David fashion. 00:35:56.139 --> 00:36:00.659 He can see so much more to that picture. And 00:36:00.659 --> 00:36:03.500 he's wanting to draw that out further. Like, 00:36:03.500 --> 00:36:05.659 I wonder what else is here. And I wonder if writing 00:36:05.659 --> 00:36:08.599 would help just kind of build that. that picture 00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:11.519 out. So yeah, go into this weekend and that's 00:36:11.519 --> 00:36:13.380 on my mind. Right. So I go into normal Monday, 00:36:13.500 --> 00:36:17.599 Tuesday, do teaching prep and Wednesday. I just 00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:19.980 so happened because it's a fifth, fifth Wednesday 00:36:19.980 --> 00:36:22.039 of the month, I believe. Um, or no, it was the 00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:24.079 first one. Nevermind. For whatever reason, my 00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:26.500 calendar was empty in the afternoon. Yeah. And 00:36:26.500 --> 00:36:29.159 I'm like, I'm just going to go right. Yeah. And 00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:33.599 so I sat and just started writing like as if 00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:36.940 I was writing a book. Yeah. And it became really, 00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:40.679 really clear to me with the lamp. It was the 00:36:40.679 --> 00:36:44.019 hundred X that got me that when you take it from 00:36:44.019 --> 00:36:46.579 an ember and light it, and I didn't know kind 00:36:46.579 --> 00:36:48.460 of what the, I mean, I knew what an oil lamp 00:36:48.460 --> 00:36:51.059 was, but I didn't really understand. Right. So 00:36:51.059 --> 00:36:55.860 I looked that up and it was the hundred X then 00:36:55.860 --> 00:36:59.619 that led me to wait, that's really visible. Wait, 00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:02.239 a harvest is visible. The whole point of the 00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:04.599 story is that the farmer wants a harvest. Yeah. 00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:07.699 And so that just kind of then snowballed to, 00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:11.000 well, wait, if it's really visible, then it's 00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:12.900 equally as visible when I put it under a bed. 00:37:13.059 --> 00:37:14.980 And so this all kind of flowed out from this 00:37:14.980 --> 00:37:20.219 creative writing that, but yeah, I just never 00:37:20.219 --> 00:37:24.860 taken the time. It was a lot slower. So to David's 00:37:24.860 --> 00:37:27.860 world, like he's got a good pace to his life. 00:37:27.980 --> 00:37:31.219 And so it was probably a good slowdown, but that 00:37:31.219 --> 00:37:35.199 was the connection to where. I had to then go 00:37:35.199 --> 00:37:37.820 to the commentaries and go, am I doing a disservice 00:37:37.820 --> 00:37:43.320 to this? Is there anyone else that is actually 00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:47.559 seeing this connection the way it is? And just 00:37:47.559 --> 00:37:49.840 trying to affirm. So it's not just an echo chamber 00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:52.199 of me sitting going, oh, this feels good. Because 00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:54.199 we read scripture in community. Right. Yeah. 00:37:54.260 --> 00:37:57.119 I think that's excellent. And it's fascinating. 00:37:57.219 --> 00:37:59.019 And I think our church family benefited from 00:37:59.019 --> 00:38:01.420 it because of your journey with it. Oh, thanks. 00:38:02.650 --> 00:38:06.250 But what I think was so... I hope so. Yeah, I 00:38:06.250 --> 00:38:11.510 think so. We hope so. But I think even just the 00:38:11.510 --> 00:38:14.829 education part of... I don't remember which gathering 00:38:14.829 --> 00:38:18.510 it was. It might have been the 1115. Yeah. I 00:38:18.510 --> 00:38:21.130 told people to cross out the subheading. Yes, 00:38:21.170 --> 00:38:23.429 you did do that. And you could just see people 00:38:23.429 --> 00:38:25.989 like... And I think I even held up my Bible in 00:38:25.989 --> 00:38:27.949 that one and went, look, it's okay to write in 00:38:27.949 --> 00:38:29.269 your Bible. And I just held mine up because it's 00:38:29.269 --> 00:38:32.920 all highlighted and circled and whatever. And 00:38:32.920 --> 00:38:40.079 it just hit me that, man, there's even a bringing 00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:43.480 along of the church family of this part is not 00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:45.820 inspired. Yeah. The subheadings are not inspired. 00:38:46.059 --> 00:38:51.659 Subheadings, numbers, they're not. Yeah. We're 00:38:51.659 --> 00:38:53.800 trying to help people understand by putting them 00:38:53.800 --> 00:38:56.599 there. Right. And majority of times, absolutely. 00:38:56.960 --> 00:38:59.019 It's a help. It's a break. It gives you a different. 00:38:59.960 --> 00:39:02.360 There are other times where it's just not helpful. 00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:05.039 Because it can blind you to what is actually. 00:39:05.039 --> 00:39:06.559 Well, because it feels right. Like if you have 00:39:06.559 --> 00:39:08.500 a subheading, it feels like, oh, I entered a 00:39:08.500 --> 00:39:11.539 different part of scripture. Like I entered a 00:39:11.539 --> 00:39:13.679 different story. And a lot of times it does make 00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:17.380 sense because in some this weekend, like it jumps 00:39:17.380 --> 00:39:20.099 from Jesus saying that about friends and family 00:39:20.099 --> 00:39:23.239 and goes to one day they were crossing the lake. 00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:26.719 Well, that subheading of crossing the lake is 00:39:26.719 --> 00:39:31.019 helpful, right? Yeah. And I think some of those, 00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:34.519 I'll save that actually. We'll get into that 00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:36.360 in a second. We'll get into that in a second 00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:40.320 because it's something. Anyways, one of the things 00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:42.260 you did in the message that was, I think, very 00:39:42.260 --> 00:39:46.340 healing for me was you addressed the kind of 00:39:46.340 --> 00:39:49.440 common way sometimes the, what is under, what 00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:52.159 is, I don't remember the exact phrasing. It will 00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:55.420 be brought to light. And so what I had always 00:39:55.420 --> 00:39:58.760 received. And even though like I know better, 00:39:58.860 --> 00:40:01.139 like I should know better, there's still a gut 00:40:01.139 --> 00:40:04.139 wrenching of like the, oh, everything I've done 00:40:04.139 --> 00:40:06.440 wrong is going to be on the big screen as we, 00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:09.639 you know, get to heaven and the new heavens and 00:40:09.639 --> 00:40:12.559 the new earth. And the way you address that, 00:40:12.619 --> 00:40:15.219 I thought was very unique and also very healing. 00:40:15.420 --> 00:40:18.340 And part of the way you did that was you highlighted 00:40:18.340 --> 00:40:22.300 who Jesus is. Yeah. And by being like, hey. Do 00:40:22.300 --> 00:40:25.219 you not see the generosity of who Jesus is? Do 00:40:25.219 --> 00:40:27.860 you not see who this guy is? That doesn't make, 00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:32.579 why does that even happen? So walk me through, 00:40:32.739 --> 00:40:36.179 maybe for people who haven't gotten to that place 00:40:36.179 --> 00:40:40.079 yet in your message, what exactly did you, how 00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:42.260 did you teach that specific part of the verse? 00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:51.769 Yeah, I think I have to go. Two things for me. 00:40:51.849 --> 00:40:56.150 I have to go back in history. And somewhere along 00:40:56.150 --> 00:41:00.130 the way, we started to use fear as a motivator. 00:41:00.869 --> 00:41:04.230 And I think it was out of a good place. I think 00:41:04.230 --> 00:41:08.110 it was the fear of God, right? Okay. But when 00:41:08.110 --> 00:41:10.510 I read scripture and it talks about the fear 00:41:10.510 --> 00:41:14.530 of God, that has more to do with I am overwhelmed 00:41:14.530 --> 00:41:18.010 with who he is than a God that is going to shame 00:41:18.010 --> 00:41:20.489 me. Yeah. That a God that is going to, right? 00:41:20.570 --> 00:41:26.170 Because we wouldn't, I'm trying to think of a 00:41:26.170 --> 00:41:28.550 way to put it. Okay, so we wouldn't get up front 00:41:28.550 --> 00:41:30.550 and go, hey, I'm going to teach today and the 00:41:30.550 --> 00:41:33.730 title of my message is Jesus is shaming you. 00:41:35.150 --> 00:41:37.329 We wouldn't do that. You're saying that's not 00:41:37.329 --> 00:41:43.730 next week? It's not any week. Or Jesus wants 00:41:43.730 --> 00:41:47.380 you on a guilt trip today. We wouldn't say that 00:41:47.380 --> 00:41:49.880 because we say that the enemy's tools are guilt 00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:53.619 and shame. So that can't be true of God then. 00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:55.500 If it's true of the enemy, then it can't be true 00:41:55.500 --> 00:41:59.039 of God. So I do think that there was a movement 00:41:59.039 --> 00:42:03.139 that tried to use fear to get people to do the 00:42:03.139 --> 00:42:05.440 right things. And it's fear attached to guilt 00:42:05.440 --> 00:42:07.639 and shame, I would say. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because 00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:13.420 if someone tells me, hey, when you get to your 00:42:13.420 --> 00:42:16.829 eternal home, And we're in the new heavens and 00:42:16.829 --> 00:42:19.929 the new earth. God put in a bigger jumbotron 00:42:19.929 --> 00:42:22.710 than what's in the Dallas Cowboys Stadium. Which 00:42:22.710 --> 00:42:25.329 is quite big. And it's going to be awesome because 00:42:25.329 --> 00:42:28.230 every secret thing you've ever had in your heart. 00:42:28.409 --> 00:42:33.369 So wait, when I was looking at somebody's new 00:42:33.369 --> 00:42:37.409 car and I am just envious as all get out, that's 00:42:37.409 --> 00:42:39.510 going to be on there? Yeah. So that person's 00:42:39.510 --> 00:42:41.619 going to see it too? For everybody with a resurrected 00:42:41.619 --> 00:42:43.400 body. When David makes coffee better than me 00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:46.300 and I'm sad about my coffee and jealous of his, 00:42:46.500 --> 00:42:49.840 like, wait, that's going to be in front of everyone, 00:42:50.059 --> 00:42:53.320 including David. Yeah. That doesn't sound like 00:42:53.320 --> 00:42:56.559 heaven. That doesn't sound like... And so I think 00:42:56.559 --> 00:43:01.019 you have to look at it and go, if I'm going to 00:43:01.019 --> 00:43:02.980 interpret that way, what am I saying about God? 00:43:03.420 --> 00:43:05.960 I think that has to be something we hold, right? 00:43:06.059 --> 00:43:09.630 So to look at those verses and go... I have to 00:43:09.630 --> 00:43:12.369 take them out of context to make that who God 00:43:12.369 --> 00:43:16.309 is versus in the context, he's the God who is 00:43:16.309 --> 00:43:19.909 generous. He's the God who is sowing seed when 00:43:19.909 --> 00:43:22.989 he should have stopped. He's the God that still 00:43:22.989 --> 00:43:26.210 is just, okay, I know the devil's coming, but 00:43:26.210 --> 00:43:29.650 we're going to try again, Judas. And you see 00:43:29.650 --> 00:43:31.809 that we connected that to the communion table. 00:43:31.889 --> 00:43:36.190 So that's not inaccurate. You get to that verse 00:43:36.190 --> 00:43:38.630 and it talks about what will be revealed. Well, 00:43:38.690 --> 00:43:41.289 it's, it's just obvious. Yeah. Right. Like it's 00:43:41.289 --> 00:43:43.090 going to be. And then I got thinking when I got 00:43:43.090 --> 00:43:45.690 home and I don't, this is not a polished thought 00:43:45.690 --> 00:43:48.190 at all, but you know, we talk about crowns in 00:43:48.190 --> 00:43:49.630 heaven and we're going to lay them down. Right. 00:43:49.650 --> 00:43:53.750 Yeah. Isn't it pretty revealing that if I don't 00:43:53.750 --> 00:43:57.710 have any crowns, but I'm there and my mom has 00:43:57.710 --> 00:44:02.849 50 ,000 crowns, it's kind of. Yeah. It's kind 00:44:02.849 --> 00:44:04.889 of obvious to everybody, right? Without you putting 00:44:04.889 --> 00:44:07.289 on a jumbotron, hey, I missed the point. Yeah. 00:44:07.369 --> 00:44:10.289 But now I get it. Yeah. Right? Like, I don't 00:44:10.289 --> 00:44:11.889 know if that's true or not. That's just where 00:44:11.889 --> 00:44:15.210 my brain wandered later. But I just wonder if 00:44:15.210 --> 00:44:19.989 that what is hidden will be revealed. Like, instead 00:44:19.989 --> 00:44:23.010 of making this fear of what God's going to do 00:44:23.010 --> 00:44:26.090 and shame you in the end, it's actually this 00:44:26.090 --> 00:44:30.710 beautiful picture of, hey, it's really obvious. 00:44:30.829 --> 00:44:33.179 Yeah. It's really obvious that if I don't put 00:44:33.179 --> 00:44:36.360 into practice. And we ran out of time this weekend, 00:44:36.440 --> 00:44:39.679 but if I'm going to love my wife, it's really 00:44:39.679 --> 00:44:42.739 obvious if I'm loving my wife well or not. When 00:44:42.739 --> 00:44:46.360 you come over with Rye and Bex, it's obvious 00:44:46.360 --> 00:44:48.940 the moments that I'm not. And I don't even have 00:44:48.940 --> 00:44:51.199 to say anything. You can feel it in the room. 00:44:51.820 --> 00:44:56.659 She'll tell me later. It's just obvious to go, 00:44:56.840 --> 00:45:01.019 hey, I missed it. And I think that's more. where 00:45:01.019 --> 00:45:04.920 that sits than taking God and making him something 00:45:04.920 --> 00:45:08.840 that it doesn't say he is. Yeah. So, and I, and, 00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:11.619 and with all that, because I can, I can kind 00:45:11.619 --> 00:45:14.000 of hear the narrative for people, but what about 00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:17.539 judgment? Yeah, there is judgment. Yeah. But 00:45:17.539 --> 00:45:20.219 the judgment is what'd you do with what I gave 00:45:20.219 --> 00:45:23.239 you? Yeah. Did you grow a harvest? Yeah. Right. 00:45:23.300 --> 00:45:26.760 Like, like that's, that's the, it's not a, God 00:45:26.760 --> 00:45:31.380 already knows I'm a sinful man. Like, I don't 00:45:31.380 --> 00:45:33.760 think he needs to get proof that I'm a sinful 00:45:33.760 --> 00:45:36.599 man. Yeah. I think it's pretty obvious. Yeah. 00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:39.300 The God who knows all things. Yeah. It was kind 00:45:39.300 --> 00:45:41.039 of the reason he went to the cross is he's like, 00:45:41.099 --> 00:45:43.340 you are this. Yeah. Not only knows all things, 00:45:43.380 --> 00:45:45.019 but knows them before the foundation of the world. 00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:49.380 Yeah. Like nothing surprising. And so when you 00:45:49.380 --> 00:45:53.840 get to judgment, it really is like the very first 00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:56.820 thing is what did you do with Jesus? Yeah. Right. 00:45:57.000 --> 00:45:59.630 And then. Beyond that, it's, okay, what'd you 00:45:59.630 --> 00:46:03.250 do with what I gave you? Yeah. And that's actually 00:46:03.250 --> 00:46:05.989 accountability. That's not really judgment. Right. 00:46:06.110 --> 00:46:11.449 But... Beard, how are we doing on time? 45. Wow. 00:46:11.730 --> 00:46:14.070 We blew through it. We blew through it. I feel 00:46:14.070 --> 00:46:17.110 like we don't even need to get into the last... 00:46:17.110 --> 00:46:21.349 I mean, unless you want to. It's up to you. We'll 00:46:21.349 --> 00:46:23.630 save it. Save it? Save it. Okay. We'll save it. 00:46:23.630 --> 00:46:25.289 That means you gotta come back. That's essentially 00:46:25.289 --> 00:46:29.070 what it means. Yeah. But no, I give people a 00:46:29.070 --> 00:46:32.409 little teaser if you want. Well, okay. Yeah. 00:46:32.449 --> 00:46:34.110 I'll give him a teaser. I'll give him a teaser. 00:46:35.550 --> 00:46:38.789 And it has to do with the obvious thing, because 00:46:38.789 --> 00:46:41.789 when you saying like, it's obvious whether I 00:46:41.789 --> 00:46:44.769 love my wife or not. Right. I think that also 00:46:44.769 --> 00:46:47.309 translates to it's obvious whether we're following 00:46:47.309 --> 00:46:51.590 Jesus or not, because if you are not compassionate, 00:46:51.829 --> 00:46:56.579 if you're not kind, if you are not. sacrificially 00:46:56.579 --> 00:47:00.079 giving up, giving yourself up. Like it's obvious, 00:47:00.139 --> 00:47:05.179 but I think it's interesting because there are 00:47:05.179 --> 00:47:09.199 people in the public square who will claim to 00:47:09.199 --> 00:47:12.099 be a Christ follower. And if you were to look 00:47:12.099 --> 00:47:16.039 at their life, the Jesus they portray is not 00:47:16.039 --> 00:47:18.440 the Jesus of the scriptures, not the Jesus of 00:47:18.440 --> 00:47:22.219 the gospels. Wow. And so it's. Part of this, 00:47:22.380 --> 00:47:23.820 because we've been talking about interpretation, 00:47:24.139 --> 00:47:26.760 we've been talking about, I think it's worth 00:47:26.760 --> 00:47:31.599 a conversation to talk about the ways that the 00:47:31.599 --> 00:47:34.800 Jesus we follow can often be distorted by our 00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:37.380 own misreadings of him and some of the ways that 00:47:37.380 --> 00:47:41.820 we do that. So yeah, that's your tag. That's 00:47:41.820 --> 00:47:44.460 the teaser for next week. There you go. Somewhere 00:47:44.460 --> 00:47:47.179 in there. There you go. Depending on what happens 00:47:47.179 --> 00:47:48.920 between now and next week. Yeah, right? Who knows? 00:47:49.059 --> 00:47:53.809 It's great. Whatever the case, I hope you family 00:47:53.809 --> 00:47:55.690 for tuning in, you've made it to the end of the 00:47:55.690 --> 00:48:02.769 podcast club. It felt like it needed to be that. 00:48:02.869 --> 00:48:06.690 It gets worse every time. He felt unsure. I think 00:48:06.690 --> 00:48:10.250 the bear should be unsure as well. Yeah, that 00:48:10.250 --> 00:48:15.389 was awful. Wherever you are, whatever time of 00:48:15.389 --> 00:48:17.289 day it is, I hope you're leaving this conversation 00:48:17.289 --> 00:48:21.559 encouraged. Encourage that. the God of the universe 00:48:21.559 --> 00:48:24.440 who has revealed himself in his son and spirit, 00:48:24.760 --> 00:48:28.079 that our response to that is worship and worship 00:48:28.079 --> 00:48:30.480 matters. What we do on the weekend is really 00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:33.980 important. And there's a burden because that 00:48:33.980 --> 00:48:36.179 is part of the way that we are formed to look 00:48:36.179 --> 00:48:39.039 more like Jesus. And on top of that, we are being 00:48:39.039 --> 00:48:42.380 formed into a Jesus. We are being formed to look 00:48:42.380 --> 00:48:44.840 like Jesus who's generous, who's compassionate, 00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:50.019 who seeks out the lost. And I just, that's encouraging 00:48:50.019 --> 00:48:51.760 to me. And so I hope that's encouraging to you. 00:48:52.659 --> 00:48:58.599 Send us an email. Leave us a review. Unedited. 00:48:59.099 --> 00:49:02.800 Unedited at heightschurch .com. Again, I did 00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:07.119 double check. That is the email. So I win. Beard, 00:49:07.139 --> 00:49:10.320 are you checking those emails? We're both checking 00:49:10.320 --> 00:49:11.960 them. You guys are both on them? Yeah, which 00:49:11.960 --> 00:49:15.519 means I need more emails. Okay. So this is great. 00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:21.449 Anyways. This is me ending it with a horn. That's 00:49:21.449 --> 00:49:23.369 what I got. I love you, fam.