WEBVTT 00:00:05.420 --> 00:00:09.880 Hello and welcome to the once in a while podcast. 00:00:10.500 --> 00:00:13.119 That's what it feels like right now. Every now 00:00:13.119 --> 00:00:15.660 and then. To the every now and then. We're on 00:00:15.660 --> 00:00:18.379 that once a month train. Right now. I've been 00:00:18.379 --> 00:00:19.980 to a different country since the last time we 00:00:19.980 --> 00:00:23.359 recorded. I know. How was that? It was a lot 00:00:23.359 --> 00:00:27.010 more humid there than it is here. Everyone's 00:00:27.010 --> 00:00:29.109 complaining in Prescott that it's humid. So were 00:00:29.109 --> 00:00:30.629 you nice and cool this weekend and everybody 00:00:30.629 --> 00:00:33.130 else is like, it's so hot. It was like, it's 00:00:33.130 --> 00:00:35.030 hot. I'm like, where's the sweatshirt? Like it 00:00:35.030 --> 00:00:38.609 was, yeah, it was a little warm down in the Dominican. 00:00:39.109 --> 00:00:41.609 Down in the Dominican. Yeah. Favorite highlight. 00:00:41.890 --> 00:00:45.009 Oh my gosh. Baseball for me. You know, that has 00:00:45.009 --> 00:00:47.630 to be it. We ran a baseball clinic for a lot 00:00:47.630 --> 00:00:49.130 of, two different baseball clinics. One of them 00:00:49.130 --> 00:00:53.950 had a ton of kids, 180 kids from like. seven 00:00:53.950 --> 00:00:57.729 years old to like 18 how many coaches um me and 00:00:57.729 --> 00:01:00.850 a team of people who weren't coaches um but there 00:01:00.850 --> 00:01:03.170 was it was a lot of fun man it went really well 00:01:03.170 --> 00:01:05.170 so yeah that was my highlight okay what was the 00:01:05.170 --> 00:01:09.930 talent pool like they are so much more talented 00:01:09.930 --> 00:01:13.430 than what we see In the States, but we have so 00:01:13.430 --> 00:01:15.629 much more. For the age range? For all the same 00:01:15.629 --> 00:01:19.670 ages. To be fair, they just love baseball more 00:01:19.670 --> 00:01:21.930 than people in the States do. So something that 00:01:21.930 --> 00:01:24.170 baseball is something we do here, it's like who 00:01:24.170 --> 00:01:26.950 they are there. And so they eat, sleep, breathe, 00:01:27.230 --> 00:01:30.329 love baseball. Sounds a lot like me. I relate 00:01:30.329 --> 00:01:32.489 to them very well on that. I was just thinking 00:01:32.489 --> 00:01:34.810 that was me with soccer growing up. Yeah, and 00:01:34.810 --> 00:01:36.430 they just love it so much, which is great. And 00:01:36.430 --> 00:01:38.569 there's kids here that love it too. The difference 00:01:38.569 --> 00:01:42.799 is. they're they're more talented they're not 00:01:42.799 --> 00:01:45.819 as well coached so they don't actually know how 00:01:45.819 --> 00:01:49.500 to do things but their raw talent is more advanced 00:01:49.500 --> 00:01:52.480 wow um but they're always playing too so they 00:01:52.480 --> 00:01:54.780 spend more time doing it than i think a lot of 00:01:54.780 --> 00:01:57.219 kids do in the states here too how how does it 00:01:57.219 --> 00:02:01.040 work um so like in the soccer world they would 00:02:01.040 --> 00:02:04.120 like professional teams will send scouts to places 00:02:04.120 --> 00:02:06.340 like that right oh yeah and they'll sign a kid 00:02:06.340 --> 00:02:08.939 at eight and put them in their academy Is it 00:02:08.939 --> 00:02:11.120 the same in baseball? Very similar. So the international 00:02:11.120 --> 00:02:14.710 signing age opens at 16. So what they'll do is 00:02:14.710 --> 00:02:16.610 exactly what you just said. Each major league 00:02:16.610 --> 00:02:19.050 affiliate, like each major league team has a 00:02:19.050 --> 00:02:21.810 training complex in the Dominican. So if they 00:02:21.810 --> 00:02:24.310 spot a kid who say 12 years old and they're like, 00:02:24.370 --> 00:02:26.750 this kid has so much potential, they will bring 00:02:26.750 --> 00:02:28.849 them into their academy. They will train them 00:02:28.849 --> 00:02:30.310 with their coaches, with their equipment, with 00:02:30.310 --> 00:02:32.550 their things in hopes that when they are 16, 00:02:32.650 --> 00:02:34.729 they'll sign with that team. And sometimes it's 00:02:34.729 --> 00:02:36.009 different ages too. If they find them in their 00:02:36.009 --> 00:02:38.030 16, same thing and try to sign them when they're 00:02:38.030 --> 00:02:40.150 18. If they end up not developing, this is where 00:02:40.150 --> 00:02:42.150 it's pretty ruthless. They won't sign them at 00:02:42.150 --> 00:02:44.780 all. So there's like, this is what these kids 00:02:44.780 --> 00:02:46.740 are hoping for. There's also other academies 00:02:46.740 --> 00:02:49.039 that aren't like specific major league teams 00:02:49.039 --> 00:02:51.659 and they do similar stuff, which again, trying 00:02:51.659 --> 00:02:54.379 to get like a pay cut from when they do get signed. 00:02:55.139 --> 00:02:58.120 And so there's a baseball as a business. So there's 00:02:58.120 --> 00:02:59.780 that aspect of it, but yeah, they're, they're 00:02:59.780 --> 00:03:02.560 all trying. And even at their young age, they're 00:03:02.560 --> 00:03:05.979 trying really hard to, what percentage make it 00:03:05.979 --> 00:03:10.740 somewhere? The, the size of their country. To 00:03:10.740 --> 00:03:12.819 the size of the United States, there's a way 00:03:12.819 --> 00:03:15.860 higher percentage of them, like per capita, of 00:03:15.860 --> 00:03:18.020 the Dominicans that do it. So even if you look 00:03:18.020 --> 00:03:19.580 at Major League Baseball, the numbers of players, 00:03:19.740 --> 00:03:21.580 obviously the most amount of players are American 00:03:21.580 --> 00:03:23.919 players in Major League Baseball. However, if 00:03:23.919 --> 00:03:25.340 you do the amount of American players compared 00:03:25.340 --> 00:03:27.580 to the size of America and the amount of Dominican 00:03:27.580 --> 00:03:29.240 players compared to the size of the Dominican, 00:03:29.400 --> 00:03:32.449 Dominican. crushes the U S and that. So they, 00:03:32.550 --> 00:03:35.430 yeah, they, they just baseball's big deal down 00:03:35.430 --> 00:03:38.030 there. It's a thing. So yeah, that's cool. Hey, 00:03:38.189 --> 00:03:40.449 I haven't even intro the podcast yet. Welcome 00:03:40.449 --> 00:03:43.870 to the podcast, a podcast featuring real conversation 00:03:43.870 --> 00:03:45.590 about real life where we dig deeper into the 00:03:45.590 --> 00:03:48.050 weekend message as well as answering your questions 00:03:48.050 --> 00:03:50.289 on faith, culture and life and answering your 00:03:50.289 --> 00:03:51.889 questions about Dominican baseball that you didn't 00:03:51.889 --> 00:03:54.050 even ask. There you go. There we go. Now they 00:03:54.050 --> 00:03:57.000 know. Now they know. Let the people know. Oh, 00:03:57.120 --> 00:04:00.300 it's so good to be back with all of our Heights 00:04:00.300 --> 00:04:02.800 podcast family. It's kind of weird. I'm not going 00:04:02.800 --> 00:04:04.879 to lie. It's kind of weird to be back. I know 00:04:04.879 --> 00:04:07.159 we haven't. It's not a bad way. Just we haven't 00:04:07.159 --> 00:04:09.400 sat here. And I will tease out the fact that 00:04:09.400 --> 00:04:11.759 there are maybe some rhythm changes with the 00:04:11.759 --> 00:04:14.139 podcast in the future because we're in the summer. 00:04:14.259 --> 00:04:17.500 We got other stuff coming. So those of you who 00:04:17.500 --> 00:04:20.139 stayed faithful, continue to stay faithful. Maybe 00:04:20.139 --> 00:04:21.939 we'll let you know what's coming on. When we 00:04:21.939 --> 00:04:25.339 know what's going on. So that'll be good. Let's 00:04:25.339 --> 00:04:29.939 figure that out. But we do appreciate all of 00:04:29.939 --> 00:04:32.339 you. Thank you so much for being a supporter 00:04:32.339 --> 00:04:34.860 of the show. Thank you for sending in your questions. 00:04:34.980 --> 00:04:36.180 We do have questions that we're going to get 00:04:36.180 --> 00:04:39.120 to in a second. 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So we've been gone, 00:05:09.040 --> 00:05:10.660 but we're back. We've been gone, but we're back. 00:05:10.839 --> 00:05:13.620 And so right now, everybody buckle up. The next 00:05:13.620 --> 00:05:16.040 two questions are heavy hitters. So there we 00:05:16.040 --> 00:05:18.300 go. Spencer asked this. Last week, I overheard 00:05:18.300 --> 00:05:21.560 a coworker who's a believer discuss the controversial 00:05:21.560 --> 00:05:25.139 wives submit to your husband's passage with a 00:05:25.139 --> 00:05:27.459 non -believing coworker. The discussion seemed 00:05:27.459 --> 00:05:30.259 to not go well and just drive the non -believer 00:05:30.259 --> 00:05:33.259 further away. How should Christians understand 00:05:33.259 --> 00:05:36.339 the Bible's command for wives to submit to your 00:05:36.339 --> 00:05:39.060 husbands? And how can we explain it in a way 00:05:39.060 --> 00:05:42.060 that's both biblically faithful? and understandable 00:05:42.060 --> 00:05:46.680 to people who don't follow Jesus. Wow. You ready? 00:05:47.000 --> 00:05:52.519 Wow. Let's talk about baseball. So here's what's 00:05:52.519 --> 00:05:56.319 interesting with this question. What stands out 00:05:56.319 --> 00:05:59.540 to me is controversial. So wives submitting to 00:05:59.540 --> 00:06:02.459 your husbands is a controversial topic. It definitely 00:06:02.459 --> 00:06:06.939 is in 2026. The second part that's interesting 00:06:06.939 --> 00:06:10.709 with this, we're never... arguing over husbands 00:06:10.709 --> 00:06:15.230 love your wives as Christ loved the church. Because 00:06:15.230 --> 00:06:17.769 I don't know about you, I don't feel like I do 00:06:17.769 --> 00:06:22.029 that real well. I feel like I've got a long way 00:06:22.029 --> 00:06:24.930 to go to really be able to live that. Yeah, because 00:06:24.930 --> 00:06:29.009 when you take that at face value, even at any 00:06:29.009 --> 00:06:30.889 value, you look at what did Christ do for the 00:06:30.889 --> 00:06:33.490 church? If we're to love our wives like Christ 00:06:33.490 --> 00:06:35.110 loved the church, what did he do for the church? 00:06:35.310 --> 00:06:37.949 Right. He died. He gave his life. He literally 00:06:37.949 --> 00:06:41.470 died. He gave up everything to even go get her 00:06:41.470 --> 00:06:44.550 in the first place. Yeah. Right? And then in 00:06:44.550 --> 00:06:49.069 the process of getting her, gives his life. And 00:06:49.069 --> 00:06:51.689 even if you play that out, you know, further 00:06:51.689 --> 00:06:56.129 in the narrative, like we see him in bodily form. 00:06:56.970 --> 00:07:00.050 So for all of eternity, he takes on bodily form 00:07:00.050 --> 00:07:04.839 because of us. Right? So there's not only the 00:07:04.839 --> 00:07:07.279 sacrifice of he gave up his life, he also gave 00:07:07.279 --> 00:07:11.839 up and changed the future. And I just think what's 00:07:11.839 --> 00:07:16.259 so interesting is we don't talk about that part 00:07:16.259 --> 00:07:19.980 in the same, like we take the soundbite of wives 00:07:19.980 --> 00:07:23.360 submit to your husbands, but we rarely couple 00:07:23.360 --> 00:07:25.800 that with, hey, husbands, sacrificially love 00:07:25.800 --> 00:07:28.480 your wives, right? Because there's a submission 00:07:28.480 --> 00:07:33.600 in sacrificially love your wife. That is. I create 00:07:33.600 --> 00:07:38.860 my entire life putting her first. That's a submission 00:07:38.860 --> 00:07:41.879 to her, right? Yeah. And if you, I think it's 00:07:41.879 --> 00:07:47.800 Ephesians 5, 21 is where this is found. But the 00:07:47.800 --> 00:07:50.240 beginning part of that, if I've got my reference 00:07:50.240 --> 00:07:54.040 point right, the beginning part is there's equal 00:07:54.040 --> 00:07:57.339 submission. It's submit to one another. Yeah. 00:07:57.360 --> 00:07:59.959 And I think that the defining, even defining 00:07:59.959 --> 00:08:02.939 that word submit, Because in our culture, it 00:08:02.939 --> 00:08:04.959 carries a context that is like, don't tell me 00:08:04.959 --> 00:08:06.899 what to do kind of thing. It's very negative. 00:08:07.060 --> 00:08:09.980 And that's not what the author intended with 00:08:09.980 --> 00:08:13.240 this. This word submit isn't, it is not dictatorship 00:08:13.240 --> 00:08:17.740 either. That's not what it means. It's more along 00:08:17.740 --> 00:08:18.939 the lines of what you were first saying when 00:08:18.939 --> 00:08:21.560 it comes to the love piece. And I think that 00:08:21.560 --> 00:08:25.399 understanding what that means helps us understand 00:08:25.399 --> 00:08:27.399 more of what is being said here because it is 00:08:27.399 --> 00:08:30.490 a mutual submission, a .k .a. a mutual. Love 00:08:30.490 --> 00:08:33.169 and devotion for one another. And I think with 00:08:33.169 --> 00:08:35.750 that, right? So play out the love part, right? 00:08:36.389 --> 00:08:39.809 If a wife has a husband who is sacrificially 00:08:39.809 --> 00:08:44.850 loving her, who knows? He will not do something 00:08:44.850 --> 00:08:50.230 that is better for him over me. Yeah. Well, that's 00:08:50.230 --> 00:08:53.830 easy to submit to, right? Like you look at what 00:08:53.830 --> 00:08:57.110 we're told as a follower of Jesus, we submit 00:08:57.110 --> 00:09:00.809 to him. But it's easy to submit to him when I 00:09:00.809 --> 00:09:02.830 look at all he's done for me, right? Like all 00:09:02.830 --> 00:09:05.570 of a sudden, that's not a hard thing to give 00:09:05.570 --> 00:09:08.830 my life and trust it to and put myself under, 00:09:08.929 --> 00:09:10.669 which is what that word submit is to put yourself 00:09:10.669 --> 00:09:14.769 under, right? So I think the way this becomes 00:09:14.769 --> 00:09:18.409 controversial is we have interpreted it to be 00:09:18.409 --> 00:09:21.590 a lesser than, almost like childlike. So we've 00:09:21.590 --> 00:09:24.309 interpreted it to be a lesser than. And if we're 00:09:24.309 --> 00:09:27.269 really honest, there's marriages that are not. 00:09:28.029 --> 00:09:30.470 Very few and far between where the husband is 00:09:30.470 --> 00:09:33.850 sacrificially loving the wife to create the environment 00:09:33.850 --> 00:09:36.769 for it. But a different angle on this would also 00:09:36.769 --> 00:09:40.970 be all the way through scripture, you see this 00:09:40.970 --> 00:09:44.789 really important usage of covering of leadership. 00:09:45.669 --> 00:09:51.669 And you see it created within the Trinity structure 00:09:51.669 --> 00:09:54.750 that Jesus has submitted to the will of the Father, 00:09:54.889 --> 00:09:59.299 right? You see it, but a covering of leadership 00:09:59.299 --> 00:10:03.179 is provided that allows for that submission to 00:10:03.179 --> 00:10:08.299 take place. You see it within Jesus in the church, 00:10:08.419 --> 00:10:10.519 right? He's the head of the church. So the entire 00:10:10.519 --> 00:10:13.679 church is under his umbrella. And really the 00:10:13.679 --> 00:10:17.039 way I interpret that is that the umbrella of 00:10:17.039 --> 00:10:20.240 leadership allows for the flourishing of everything 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:22.700 else underneath it. And what the husband, what 00:10:22.700 --> 00:10:25.059 I believe the husband is supposed to do is provide 00:10:25.059 --> 00:10:30.200 such a godly leadership for his family that everything 00:10:30.200 --> 00:10:32.960 flourishes to its highest underneath it. That's 00:10:32.960 --> 00:10:35.500 good. So what is actually happening is the husband 00:10:35.500 --> 00:10:39.500 is empowering the wife to live fully as God created 00:10:39.500 --> 00:10:44.100 her to be while still being willing to stand 00:10:44.100 --> 00:10:46.639 and be accountable someday for his family. Yeah. 00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:49.840 Right? And so to me, it's this beautiful picture 00:10:49.840 --> 00:10:52.049 when we say, The marriage is a picture of Christ 00:10:52.049 --> 00:10:54.750 in the church. It's this beautiful picture where 00:10:54.750 --> 00:10:56.549 what should have been created is this ground 00:10:56.549 --> 00:10:59.629 for the wife to flourish to her highest ability 00:10:59.629 --> 00:11:03.169 because the husband is loving in such a way that 00:11:03.169 --> 00:11:05.389 he'll provide a leadership that lets her flourish. 00:11:05.529 --> 00:11:08.190 And by leadership, that is not a dictatorship. 00:11:08.509 --> 00:11:11.889 That is not he calls all the shots. I was thinking 00:11:11.889 --> 00:11:16.570 about this with Cindy and I. I bet if you added 00:11:16.570 --> 00:11:18.590 up the amount of decisions made in our house, 00:11:19.279 --> 00:11:22.179 she makes way more decisions than me right right 00:11:22.179 --> 00:11:25.320 like she it's not a i'm the head of the home 00:11:25.320 --> 00:11:27.919 so here i am i make it's not my way or the highway 00:11:27.919 --> 00:11:30.480 it's not yeah not at all and and any decision 00:11:30.480 --> 00:11:36.159 i make is always in communication in conference 00:11:36.159 --> 00:11:37.759 or like whatever the right word relationship 00:11:37.759 --> 00:11:40.860 and in fellowship like whatever words you want 00:11:40.860 --> 00:11:43.960 to put on it right there's there's this conversation 00:11:43.960 --> 00:11:46.120 that's happening before we make any decision 00:11:46.120 --> 00:11:48.610 and sometimes she just goes Just make the call. 00:11:48.730 --> 00:11:52.029 And a lot of times I'll even go to the point 00:11:52.029 --> 00:11:54.950 where I defer the call because I want it to be 00:11:54.950 --> 00:11:58.769 us making it. But she even goes, some calls are, 00:11:58.909 --> 00:12:02.029 I just need you to make it. And then vice versa. 00:12:02.129 --> 00:12:04.730 There's other times where I defer to her. But 00:12:04.730 --> 00:12:08.049 again, it's this mutual submission back and forth 00:12:08.049 --> 00:12:10.330 because we're wanting the same thing. We're fighting 00:12:10.330 --> 00:12:12.389 for the flourishing of our family and each other. 00:12:12.690 --> 00:12:15.490 And so I think it's just been back to the word 00:12:15.490 --> 00:12:17.899 controversial. I think it's controversial because 00:12:17.899 --> 00:12:20.039 we take a soundbite and we take the soundbite 00:12:20.039 --> 00:12:23.700 and now we're going to drive that into your point 00:12:23.700 --> 00:12:26.480 with an interpretation that wasn't even originally 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:30.580 within the word. Yeah, I think that I don't have 00:12:30.580 --> 00:12:32.399 anything to add to that. I think that pretty 00:12:32.399 --> 00:12:34.720 much sums it up and I think answers that. The 00:12:34.720 --> 00:12:36.500 only thing that I would add just based on this 00:12:36.500 --> 00:12:40.080 specific question is, you know, how can we explain 00:12:40.080 --> 00:12:42.480 it in a way and help people who don't follow 00:12:42.480 --> 00:12:46.919 Jesus understand it? You don't need to. Like 00:12:46.919 --> 00:12:48.360 we don't need to make somebody who doesn't follow 00:12:48.360 --> 00:12:50.779 Jesus understand it. I think that the church 00:12:50.779 --> 00:12:52.659 has a problem of trying to make people who don't 00:12:52.659 --> 00:12:55.340 follow Jesus, follow Jesus's guidelines. If you 00:12:55.340 --> 00:12:56.740 don't know Jesus, there's no point in following 00:12:56.740 --> 00:12:59.980 his guidelines. I would say if this is a question 00:12:59.980 --> 00:13:02.440 that a non -believer is throwing at you in a 00:13:02.440 --> 00:13:05.039 controversial to, to create controversy and to, 00:13:05.080 --> 00:13:07.059 you know, bring up something that shouldn't be 00:13:07.059 --> 00:13:10.080 brought, you like, you can just not answer and 00:13:10.080 --> 00:13:11.639 just, Hey, we don't need to talk about this. 00:13:11.700 --> 00:13:13.860 Like it doesn't, it's not something that we are 00:13:13.860 --> 00:13:19.809 going to, uh, die on as a conversation with a 00:13:19.809 --> 00:13:21.850 non -believer. What a non -believer needs is 00:13:21.850 --> 00:13:24.870 they need to meet Jesus. And this is such a distraction 00:13:24.870 --> 00:13:26.549 from the thing that actually matters. You don't 00:13:26.549 --> 00:13:28.269 need to convince them of the structure of marriage. 00:13:28.350 --> 00:13:31.049 Exactly. And I think with that, it's such a great 00:13:31.049 --> 00:13:34.269 point because when it comes to someone that doesn't 00:13:34.269 --> 00:13:37.929 know Jesus, find the things that we are for. 00:13:39.269 --> 00:13:42.110 And I don't know who the non -believer is that 00:13:42.110 --> 00:13:44.840 was in this conversation. But I'm assuming they 00:13:44.840 --> 00:13:48.340 are for a healthy marriage. Well, what's your 00:13:48.340 --> 00:13:51.539 view of how that happens? Right? Because if you 00:13:51.539 --> 00:13:54.820 ask me, I'm at such a loss just trying to understand 00:13:54.820 --> 00:13:57.860 marriage and my wife and whatever. Because it 00:13:57.860 --> 00:13:59.659 changes, right? Like as you grow in the years 00:13:59.659 --> 00:14:01.960 and I'm 30 years into the thing and still learning. 00:14:02.259 --> 00:14:04.759 Yeah. So I'm not going to sit here and go, oh, 00:14:04.860 --> 00:14:06.139 I got it figured out and I'm going to tell you 00:14:06.139 --> 00:14:08.580 exactly. But I would love to have a conversation 00:14:08.580 --> 00:14:11.440 where I can tell you what I am for. Where I can 00:14:11.440 --> 00:14:13.500 tell you that it's been really healthy and why 00:14:13.500 --> 00:14:16.600 it's been really healthy. And I'm assuming the 00:14:16.600 --> 00:14:18.620 non -believer isn't sitting there going, well, 00:14:18.679 --> 00:14:20.460 I want an unhealthy marriage and I don't want... 00:14:20.460 --> 00:14:24.559 They're longing for a healthy marriage. Well, 00:14:24.620 --> 00:14:26.639 what is it that you think will bring that? How 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:29.019 will you get there? And we may end up going, 00:14:29.279 --> 00:14:33.179 man, let's check back in in five years to see 00:14:33.179 --> 00:14:36.720 how it's working out. Let's walk with each other 00:14:36.720 --> 00:14:39.759 through the days of those five years and... And 00:14:39.759 --> 00:14:42.200 I think it can be a conversation where it's not 00:14:42.200 --> 00:14:45.100 standing against or trying to, you got to think 00:14:45.100 --> 00:14:48.039 the way I do, but instead going, we both want 00:14:48.039 --> 00:14:49.879 really healthy marriages. How are you trying 00:14:49.879 --> 00:14:51.440 to get there? Because this is how I'm trying 00:14:51.440 --> 00:14:52.740 to get there. I'm just trying to take Jesus at 00:14:52.740 --> 00:14:55.539 his word and trust that he's right. Yeah. No, 00:14:55.600 --> 00:14:59.059 that's good. To wrap it all up, I think when 00:14:59.059 --> 00:15:01.419 it comes to the word submission and marriage, 00:15:01.580 --> 00:15:04.039 the best marriage advice I can give to anyone 00:15:04.039 --> 00:15:07.059 is the most functional best marriages when both 00:15:07.059 --> 00:15:09.990 husband and wife are submitted to Jesus. Let's 00:15:09.990 --> 00:15:12.190 just start there. If there's going to be submission 00:15:12.190 --> 00:15:14.830 in your marriage, both of you submitted to Jesus 00:15:14.830 --> 00:15:17.669 at his feet, and a lot of other things are going 00:15:17.669 --> 00:15:21.269 to work out in your marriage. Not that we need 00:15:21.269 --> 00:15:23.289 to belabor this longer, but that's the only way 00:15:23.289 --> 00:15:25.649 you forgive one another. And without forgiveness, 00:15:25.750 --> 00:15:27.669 you're not having a healthy relationship, let 00:15:27.669 --> 00:15:30.230 alone marriage. Thank you so much for this question, 00:15:30.350 --> 00:15:33.070 submitting that question. Heavy hitter right 00:15:33.070 --> 00:15:37.100 out of the gate. So it doesn't get any... Oh, 00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:38.919 we're still going. Here we go. Question number 00:15:38.919 --> 00:15:41.740 two coming in right now. Anonymous asks this 00:15:41.740 --> 00:15:45.320 question. My sister has terminal cancer with 00:15:45.320 --> 00:15:48.620 a year or two to live. She plans to be euthanized 00:15:48.620 --> 00:15:51.220 when the suffering gets too serious. What does 00:15:51.220 --> 00:15:53.799 God think about this? What does he think about 00:15:53.799 --> 00:15:56.539 taking matters into our own hands like this? 00:15:56.860 --> 00:15:59.500 Oh my gosh. I told you it didn't get easier. 00:16:00.620 --> 00:16:02.700 It's the last time we're taking a couple of weeks 00:16:02.700 --> 00:16:11.059 off. oh man yeah definitely back -to -back heavy 00:16:11.059 --> 00:16:14.179 ones especially in this and and i would say man 00:16:14.179 --> 00:16:16.100 anytime there's a question and first of all thank 00:16:16.100 --> 00:16:17.840 you so much for submitting something that is 00:16:17.840 --> 00:16:21.360 so real and honest um but when it comes to any 00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:23.539 a question like this there's so much pain felt 00:16:23.539 --> 00:16:29.620 in it i just heard this and i don't i don't want 00:16:29.620 --> 00:16:34.240 to sound flippant or from even the weekend when 00:16:34.240 --> 00:16:35.860 we talked about being tone deaf i don't mean 00:16:35.860 --> 00:16:42.139 it to sound this way but don't the and it's it's 00:16:42.139 --> 00:16:44.360 i don't know who it originally belongs to but 00:16:44.360 --> 00:16:47.500 the idea of don't put a comma or don't put a 00:16:47.500 --> 00:16:50.639 full stop where god put a comma right and i think 00:16:50.639 --> 00:16:54.600 in hearing terminal cancer i'm not saying that 00:16:54.600 --> 00:16:57.340 your sister's going to be healed i'm not saying 00:16:57.340 --> 00:17:02.779 that there's the miracles coming just um But 00:17:02.779 --> 00:17:07.839 it sounds like to step in and take matters into 00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:10.880 my own hands is me choosing to put the full stop. 00:17:12.220 --> 00:17:15.980 And if there's a comma because there's more days 00:17:15.980 --> 00:17:20.819 left, then that's where faith and trust and that 00:17:20.819 --> 00:17:25.140 God's up to something I can't see. I think suffering 00:17:25.140 --> 00:17:29.779 is redeemable. I don't think when it comes to 00:17:29.779 --> 00:17:37.700 suffering. because Jesus is in it, then there's 00:17:37.700 --> 00:17:41.759 deep, I believe there's deep things he's trying 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:43.940 to accomplish that he can only accomplish being 00:17:43.940 --> 00:17:48.039 in the midst of the suffering with you. And that 00:17:48.039 --> 00:17:49.759 doesn't mean that he can't perform a miracle. 00:17:49.859 --> 00:17:51.819 That doesn't mean he won't. That doesn't mean, 00:17:51.880 --> 00:17:56.440 but I think to take matters into your own hands 00:17:56.440 --> 00:18:00.130 and you choose when the suffering ends. is to 00:18:00.130 --> 00:18:04.109 essentially say i'm going to play god and the 00:18:04.109 --> 00:18:07.289 minute i do that i take myself out of the creative 00:18:07.289 --> 00:18:11.009 order right like so instead of me honoring the 00:18:11.009 --> 00:18:14.309 creation narrative honoring the and and the other 00:18:14.309 --> 00:18:18.069 thing is what if the suffering like you look 00:18:18.069 --> 00:18:21.329 at jesus jesus suffered but the suffering wasn't 00:18:21.329 --> 00:18:24.049 for jesus the suffering is what it brought for 00:18:24.049 --> 00:18:26.990 everybody else and what if in the midst of suffering 00:18:26.990 --> 00:18:31.789 that Yes, you're the one going through it, but 00:18:31.789 --> 00:18:35.029 what if it's for the sister writing this? What 00:18:35.029 --> 00:18:38.450 if it's for the people around you? And you may 00:18:38.450 --> 00:18:41.769 never see the fruit of that. But that's where 00:18:41.769 --> 00:18:44.470 it comes back to trust and trusting the hand 00:18:44.470 --> 00:18:47.329 of God that if it's supposed to be different, 00:18:47.390 --> 00:18:50.150 it will be different. But my job is to just trust 00:18:50.150 --> 00:18:53.950 him in the midst of whatever it brings. So yeah, 00:18:53.990 --> 00:18:55.970 I don't know that that's a great answer. I don't 00:18:55.970 --> 00:18:58.839 know that that... Yeah. And I think part of the, 00:18:58.839 --> 00:19:00.380 the hard part of giving this answer is what does 00:19:00.380 --> 00:19:03.240 God think about this? Like, I'm not God. I can't 00:19:03.240 --> 00:19:05.420 tell you what God thinks about this. I can tell 00:19:05.420 --> 00:19:07.680 you what we know about God, that God loves everyone 00:19:07.680 --> 00:19:12.299 and that God, you know, wants people to experience 00:19:12.299 --> 00:19:14.359 that love. He wants fields, you know, that God, 00:19:14.400 --> 00:19:16.539 God does not want us to suffer. God doesn't, 00:19:16.559 --> 00:19:19.339 you know, he's not the author of suffering. He's 00:19:19.339 --> 00:19:21.380 not the author of suffering. And, you know, so 00:19:21.380 --> 00:19:25.359 do I know what God thinks specifically about? 00:19:25.789 --> 00:19:28.190 this no but i know he he's the god of comfort 00:19:28.190 --> 00:19:30.250 and when you're going through something like 00:19:30.250 --> 00:19:34.509 this uh where there is even questions of like 00:19:34.509 --> 00:19:37.609 you know man do i end it or whatever like god 00:19:37.609 --> 00:19:39.730 we talked about it this weekend god wants to 00:19:39.730 --> 00:19:42.190 enter those moments with you and be with you 00:19:42.190 --> 00:19:44.670 not just you know wait for you to get through 00:19:44.670 --> 00:19:46.369 it i'm over here waiting for you like no god 00:19:46.369 --> 00:19:50.069 doesn't in in it like he you know we can use 00:19:50.069 --> 00:19:53.039 our suffering in these times as an invitation 00:19:53.039 --> 00:19:56.539 to allow God into those moments too. Yeah. And 00:19:56.539 --> 00:20:01.240 I think being really clear, two thoughts come 00:20:01.240 --> 00:20:06.980 to mind. One is that no matter the outcome, there's 00:20:06.980 --> 00:20:09.980 grace. Grace doesn't stop because of something 00:20:09.980 --> 00:20:13.700 we did. So no matter what, there is grace. And 00:20:13.700 --> 00:20:19.779 I know there's some... theologies, some denominations 00:20:19.779 --> 00:20:22.880 that would disagree with that thought, right? 00:20:22.920 --> 00:20:25.039 That there is something you can do that stops 00:20:25.039 --> 00:20:29.579 grace. I don't read that in the scriptures. And 00:20:29.579 --> 00:20:34.039 so the idea of if your sister does take matter 00:20:34.039 --> 00:20:36.980 into her own hands, there is grace. Like that 00:20:36.980 --> 00:20:39.420 doesn't go away because of the decision made. 00:20:40.440 --> 00:20:44.299 I think the other piece of it about what does 00:20:44.299 --> 00:20:49.430 God think about this? I'm with you. We can't 00:20:49.430 --> 00:20:53.509 sit here and go, oh, I clearly can tell you exactly 00:20:53.509 --> 00:20:56.009 what God thinks and how he thinks. What I can 00:20:56.009 --> 00:20:58.890 tell you is from the story we walked through 00:20:58.890 --> 00:21:01.609 in church this week, right? Like in our weekend 00:21:01.609 --> 00:21:06.170 gatherings, Jesus sees her mourning, sees her 00:21:06.170 --> 00:21:11.069 pain, sees her suffering, and he has moved deep 00:21:11.069 --> 00:21:17.609 inside his soul in pain for her. And there's 00:21:17.609 --> 00:21:19.710 enough stories of that, right? Lazarus's tomb, 00:21:19.950 --> 00:21:22.470 right? There's enough of these moments where 00:21:22.470 --> 00:21:27.490 you go, and Jesus was moved so much that he came 00:21:27.490 --> 00:21:29.210 in the first place because of our suffering. 00:21:29.470 --> 00:21:32.329 So to look at this and go, what does God think 00:21:32.329 --> 00:21:37.450 about this? I can't explain exactly this one 00:21:37.450 --> 00:21:40.690 thing, what God thinks, but what I can show you 00:21:40.690 --> 00:21:43.230 is a track record of a God who cares and is hurting 00:21:43.230 --> 00:21:46.460 with you. That when you suffer, he is going to 00:21:46.460 --> 00:21:48.559 suffer alongside you. He is the God that suffers. 00:21:48.839 --> 00:21:51.960 Yeah. And I think this helps kind of lead us 00:21:51.960 --> 00:21:55.779 into the weekend discussion. Because I think 00:21:55.779 --> 00:21:59.640 knowing who God is helps us get through what 00:21:59.640 --> 00:22:01.500 we're going through when we understand who he 00:22:01.500 --> 00:22:04.559 is. And that's what we've talked about this summer. 00:22:04.619 --> 00:22:06.480 It's who you are. This is who you are. This is 00:22:06.480 --> 00:22:09.559 speaking of Jesus. Being surprised and being 00:22:09.559 --> 00:22:11.980 reminded of him. Yeah. Speaking of Jesus, this 00:22:11.980 --> 00:22:15.279 is who you are. And we've been constantly going 00:22:15.279 --> 00:22:16.900 through that this summer and we're getting reminded. 00:22:17.000 --> 00:22:20.180 And as the podcast has been hit or miss and when 00:22:20.180 --> 00:22:21.920 we've had episodes, we haven't been able to recap 00:22:21.920 --> 00:22:23.740 every single week. But what we have done is look 00:22:23.740 --> 00:22:27.259 at who Jesus is. And so hopping into this weekend 00:22:27.259 --> 00:22:29.920 specifically, something that was said that gives 00:22:29.920 --> 00:22:33.339 us such a glimpse into who Jesus is, that is, 00:22:33.420 --> 00:22:36.400 I believe, so often misunderstood and overlooked 00:22:36.400 --> 00:22:40.240 in the church. What was said is... Jesus is coming 00:22:40.240 --> 00:22:44.160 to us, not us going to him. This is who he is. 00:22:44.400 --> 00:22:48.259 We have this backwards in the church. In the 00:22:48.259 --> 00:22:52.660 church, oftentimes we have this... How many camps 00:22:52.660 --> 00:22:55.140 have you done? How did you come to Jesus? Raise 00:22:55.140 --> 00:22:58.519 your hand if you want to come to Jesus. All these 00:22:58.519 --> 00:23:00.980 things. And you set it up this weekend going, 00:23:01.099 --> 00:23:03.420 we're over here and he's over there. And when 00:23:03.420 --> 00:23:05.740 we're ready, we can go to him. No, Jesus came 00:23:05.740 --> 00:23:09.059 to you. There's nothing you do to try to get 00:23:09.059 --> 00:23:12.259 to him. He already came to you. And I think that's 00:23:12.259 --> 00:23:14.779 just such a good reminder because from your experience, 00:23:14.880 --> 00:23:16.799 how often do you see us getting that backwards 00:23:16.799 --> 00:23:19.839 as well? Yeah, I actually was post -weekend like 00:23:19.839 --> 00:23:23.319 we do as communicators. I was processing my story 00:23:23.319 --> 00:23:26.480 and how I used to tell people I came back to 00:23:26.480 --> 00:23:30.599 Jesus. Like Jesus wasn't there when I was sinning 00:23:30.599 --> 00:23:35.500 and in the depths of my sin night after night. 00:23:36.910 --> 00:23:40.309 And, but somehow like I hit a moment where I 00:23:40.309 --> 00:23:41.710 was like, Oh, I'm going to go back to Jesus. 00:23:41.769 --> 00:23:48.710 Yeah. Processing my own story from that perspective 00:23:48.710 --> 00:23:51.349 of Jesus being with me at every single moment, 00:23:51.410 --> 00:23:55.829 including the moment where I hit my knees in 00:23:55.829 --> 00:23:58.970 a Wisconsin one bedroom apartment. Right. Like, 00:23:59.009 --> 00:24:02.329 and there's a whole story to that, but, but the 00:24:02.329 --> 00:24:04.970 idea that somehow in that moment I came back 00:24:04.970 --> 00:24:08.910 to. He never left. He hadn't gone anywhere. He 00:24:08.910 --> 00:24:11.490 was still present. He was still trying. He was 00:24:11.490 --> 00:24:16.150 still pursuing. So whether it's on the front 00:24:16.150 --> 00:24:18.750 side or it's even as we're believers and go through, 00:24:19.049 --> 00:24:21.430 it's just interesting that we use this language 00:24:21.430 --> 00:24:24.849 of we're doing something and he's just waiting. 00:24:25.369 --> 00:24:28.309 He's just sitting there. He's over there in the 00:24:28.309 --> 00:24:30.269 corner. And when you're ready, you'll go sit 00:24:30.269 --> 00:24:33.220 next to him. It's like, where? Where did we get 00:24:33.220 --> 00:24:36.119 it from? No, that's not who he is. We've missed 00:24:36.119 --> 00:24:38.740 who he is when we see that. And we've missed 00:24:38.740 --> 00:24:41.180 the whole narrative. The whole narrative is God 00:24:41.180 --> 00:24:43.900 could have walked away. Right. And he chose to 00:24:43.900 --> 00:24:46.839 enter. Yeah. No, I love that. And move closer 00:24:46.839 --> 00:24:49.579 and closer and closer. And then the Holy Spirit 00:24:49.579 --> 00:24:52.140 inside of you and for all of eternity. Yeah. 00:24:52.380 --> 00:24:55.400 No, I love that. And I love how it was set up 00:24:55.400 --> 00:24:58.710 this weekend. And we saw how Jesus. Literally 00:24:58.710 --> 00:25:01.430 entered into this town and he went straight to 00:25:01.430 --> 00:25:03.950 this woman who was hurting. He entered into her 00:25:03.950 --> 00:25:07.230 pain, into her situation. He felt her pain, which 00:25:07.230 --> 00:25:09.990 is incredible. And what we talked about is this 00:25:09.990 --> 00:25:12.109 death march. Literally, there was a death march. 00:25:12.230 --> 00:25:14.509 It was a procession of death because this young 00:25:14.509 --> 00:25:18.089 man had died and Jesus stepped into that because 00:25:18.089 --> 00:25:20.710 what Jesus does is he's a grave robber, right? 00:25:20.829 --> 00:25:22.710 That's who he is. Again, another thing that we 00:25:22.710 --> 00:25:26.289 can cling to to go, this is who he is. So my 00:25:26.289 --> 00:25:28.480 question is, if somebody... maybe that's listening 00:25:28.480 --> 00:25:30.740 right now, feels like they're caught in the death 00:25:30.740 --> 00:25:33.740 march of life, how do they allow Jesus to be 00:25:33.740 --> 00:25:36.240 the grave robber in their life? That's a good 00:25:36.240 --> 00:25:40.940 question. I think initially I would say you got 00:25:40.940 --> 00:25:45.059 to recognize what does the death march look like? 00:25:45.220 --> 00:25:47.579 Or maybe a different way to ask that is what 00:25:47.579 --> 00:25:51.220 am I following? What am I caught up in? Because 00:25:51.220 --> 00:25:53.519 I think a lot of people don't even recognize 00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:57.890 that death is leading. until they get to wherever 00:25:57.890 --> 00:26:01.230 they think they're going and find a grave, right? 00:26:01.349 --> 00:26:04.430 And what I mean by that is, let's take the example 00:26:04.430 --> 00:26:08.890 of, okay, somebody believes that happiness is 00:26:08.890 --> 00:26:12.970 found when I get a certain role at a company. 00:26:13.390 --> 00:26:17.849 And so I go to college and I work my tail off. 00:26:17.930 --> 00:26:24.009 I sacrifice things. I do this according to the 00:26:24.009 --> 00:26:27.589 rules as I should. I get to the next spot and 00:26:27.589 --> 00:26:30.650 get the job that I want. I begin to pursue that 00:26:30.650 --> 00:26:32.710 and maybe I get promoted to finally where I'm 00:26:32.710 --> 00:26:37.049 hoping to be and then I lose it. Or I get there 00:26:37.049 --> 00:26:40.349 and I'm bored. I get there and it's not life 00:26:40.349 --> 00:26:43.089 -giving. I mean, the amount of people that COVID 00:26:43.089 --> 00:26:45.069 did it to them, right? Like COVID was this great 00:26:45.069 --> 00:26:47.910 reset of like, I'm switching careers, right? 00:26:48.009 --> 00:26:50.609 Because they got to where they were and it never 00:26:50.609 --> 00:26:53.940 stopped to go, wait. this isn't giving life this 00:26:53.940 --> 00:26:56.279 isn't giving joy this isn't producing the fruit 00:26:56.279 --> 00:26:59.319 of the spirit in my life that i was been yearning 00:26:59.319 --> 00:27:02.359 for that i was created for so i think i think 00:27:02.359 --> 00:27:05.920 maybe the first question is like where am i going 00:27:05.920 --> 00:27:08.400 and what's leading me there is it life itself 00:27:08.400 --> 00:27:11.339 leading me there because if it's not life then 00:27:11.339 --> 00:27:13.740 i'm in a death march right and some death marches 00:27:13.740 --> 00:27:15.299 are a little more obvious than others if i'm 00:27:15.299 --> 00:27:19.539 um addicted to drugs alcohol whatever right like 00:27:20.059 --> 00:27:21.859 That's a little more obvious that this isn't 00:27:21.859 --> 00:27:23.740 going to end well. This is going to lead me to 00:27:23.740 --> 00:27:27.019 a grave, right? Sometimes literally to a grave. 00:27:27.559 --> 00:27:29.519 That one's a little easier to point out. I think 00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:33.920 the subtle ones are, man, I'm finding my happiness 00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:37.099 in something that can't sustain my happiness. 00:27:37.900 --> 00:27:41.779 I'm finding my escape and I'm caught up in it, 00:27:41.859 --> 00:27:44.460 right? And so I think back to the back end of 00:27:44.460 --> 00:27:48.829 the question of, allowing Jesus to be the grave 00:27:48.829 --> 00:27:51.750 robber, I think it's, okay, how do I let life 00:27:51.750 --> 00:27:54.170 into this? How do I let Jesus lead me out of 00:27:54.170 --> 00:27:55.869 this? How do I, and sometimes that's a hard, 00:27:55.970 --> 00:27:59.069 I got to go to rehab. Sometimes I think that's 00:27:59.069 --> 00:28:01.970 as simple as, man, I've got to stop looking for 00:28:01.970 --> 00:28:04.450 my identity and let my identity be found in Jesus. 00:28:04.710 --> 00:28:06.450 Well, I don't even know how to do that. So where 00:28:06.450 --> 00:28:08.029 do I start? Well, it's probably sitting down 00:28:08.029 --> 00:28:10.730 with somebody like us or. a life group leader 00:28:10.730 --> 00:28:13.829 or something in your life to go, I need to understand 00:28:13.829 --> 00:28:16.089 this part because I'm trying to get it here and 00:28:16.089 --> 00:28:20.009 it's not working. Yeah. Right. And so I think 00:28:20.009 --> 00:28:24.470 allowing Jesus to be that grave robber, the picture 00:28:24.470 --> 00:28:28.390 for me is if I'm following a death march, the 00:28:28.390 --> 00:28:31.750 grave is already dug. Let him step in between 00:28:31.750 --> 00:28:35.849 and stop me from continuing. Whatever that looks 00:28:35.849 --> 00:28:37.269 like, that's the step you got to take. Yeah. 00:28:37.890 --> 00:28:40.509 That's good. I think that's a great, Great, clear 00:28:40.509 --> 00:28:43.250 answer to what this looks like. That's good because 00:28:43.250 --> 00:28:45.430 I'm not normally practical. We know this. I know. 00:28:45.490 --> 00:28:49.210 I mean, John, you've grown a lot, my friend. 00:28:49.349 --> 00:28:51.589 We still got work to do, but you're getting there. 00:28:52.630 --> 00:28:56.450 No, very good. Very good. No, great, great weekend 00:28:56.450 --> 00:28:59.769 and super cool this whole summer to just be able 00:28:59.769 --> 00:29:01.769 to walk through and see this is who Jesus is, 00:29:01.869 --> 00:29:04.190 man. This is what he does. And I think oftentimes 00:29:04.190 --> 00:29:07.230 we either have misconceptions or just don't know. 00:29:07.569 --> 00:29:10.539 And like, how do you follow? a god that you don't 00:29:10.539 --> 00:29:12.920 know about and so it's been really cool to get 00:29:12.920 --> 00:29:17.240 to know him uh more this summer um okay two more 00:29:17.240 --> 00:29:19.420 questions we got a quick one more questions two 00:29:19.420 --> 00:29:22.480 quick ones actually quicker ish ones as heavy 00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:25.890 as the last ones We're lightening up a bit. Lightening 00:29:25.890 --> 00:29:27.990 up. Yeah. We already got through the heavy stuff. 00:29:28.190 --> 00:29:31.049 The humidity is lifting. Yeah. You've now left 00:29:31.049 --> 00:29:35.230 the Dominican and the humidity is lifting. But 00:29:35.230 --> 00:29:37.269 we've landed in humid Prescott right now, which 00:29:37.269 --> 00:29:40.470 is not really humid, but a little bit. So that's 00:29:40.470 --> 00:29:42.390 where we're at right now. Okay. Question number 00:29:42.390 --> 00:29:44.990 three for us today. Neva asks this question. 00:29:45.069 --> 00:29:48.640 Does heights teach the gifts? Does Heights teach 00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:50.240 the gifts? Heights teach the gifts. Is there 00:29:50.240 --> 00:29:53.440 any other context to the gifts? There is not 00:29:53.440 --> 00:29:55.420 in the question, but my assumption to this question 00:29:55.420 --> 00:29:57.859 would be spiritual gifts. Gifts of the Spirit. 00:29:57.960 --> 00:30:02.400 So gifts of the Spirit. How do we do it? So my 00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:05.680 answer, I'll answer this question and see what 00:30:05.680 --> 00:30:07.559 you would say. We're unedited, so here we go. 00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:10.720 My answer to this question is we did do a collection 00:30:10.720 --> 00:30:13.299 on the Holy Spirit a couple years ago that you 00:30:13.299 --> 00:30:15.460 can look at. maybe a year and a half ago now, 00:30:15.539 --> 00:30:18.660 that you can go back and watch. And that entire 00:30:18.660 --> 00:30:21.279 collection, we dive into who the Holy Spirit 00:30:21.279 --> 00:30:23.000 is, the role He has in our life, and we dive 00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:25.160 into the gifts specifically and the role that 00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:26.740 the gifts have. At Heights, we do believe that 00:30:26.740 --> 00:30:29.519 the gifts are active. The gifts are not just 00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:32.500 put on a shelf and we're for that time and not 00:30:32.500 --> 00:30:34.220 for this time. We believe that God does give 00:30:34.220 --> 00:30:36.559 those gifts. We believe there are time and places 00:30:36.559 --> 00:30:40.400 to use those gifts. And so diving into, does 00:30:40.400 --> 00:30:42.319 Heights teach those gifts? Do we have a class 00:30:42.319 --> 00:30:46.119 on how to? heal or how to do these things? No, 00:30:46.220 --> 00:30:48.579 we do not teach that. But do we believe that 00:30:48.579 --> 00:30:51.220 they are, we don't have classes for that, but 00:30:51.220 --> 00:30:53.000 do we believe that these gifts are present and 00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:54.960 that the Holy Spirit does empower people with 00:30:54.960 --> 00:30:58.019 the gifts of the Spirit? Yes, we do. And so that 00:30:58.019 --> 00:31:00.440 would be my answer to Neva in this question, 00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:04.180 does Heights teach the gifts? No, we're not going 00:31:04.180 --> 00:31:06.039 to sit down and say, hey, here's how you do this 00:31:06.039 --> 00:31:09.519 things. And honestly, that's the problem with 00:31:09.519 --> 00:31:12.019 the church. The problem with that, I don't know 00:31:12.019 --> 00:31:16.390 if this was true of you, but For me, I didn't 00:31:16.390 --> 00:31:18.769 have to go to a class to know I had a gift of 00:31:18.769 --> 00:31:24.109 communicating. It was evident by the first time 00:31:24.109 --> 00:31:26.309 I stepped into it. Well, even before I even knew 00:31:26.309 --> 00:31:29.490 what a gift was, it was evident that God had 00:31:29.490 --> 00:31:32.390 placed something on my life to be able to open 00:31:32.390 --> 00:31:35.049 my mouth and be able to have people understand 00:31:35.049 --> 00:31:41.230 what was said. So much so that others recognized 00:31:41.230 --> 00:31:44.900 it long before I did. then there it's funny. 00:31:44.900 --> 00:31:46.700 Cause then I went to college and you get to college 00:31:46.700 --> 00:31:49.039 and it's, Hey, you should take this class on 00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:52.819 communication. And, and I was so, I don't mean 00:31:52.819 --> 00:31:55.660 this cocky. I was just like, it was boring. Right. 00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:58.720 Like, like it was like, and this is common sense 00:31:58.720 --> 00:32:02.160 people. And the difference between it came natural. 00:32:03.400 --> 00:32:05.519 And for someone that didn't, I had a best friend 00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:09.500 who like, I'd done my work. I prepared my, my 00:32:09.500 --> 00:32:12.819 message, but it was like, It was only seven minutes. 00:32:12.920 --> 00:32:17.880 Like seven minutes was, it's probably harder 00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:19.400 than the 30 minute actually. Cause you gotta 00:32:19.400 --> 00:32:22.240 be precise. It's so much harder. But I'd done 00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:25.480 mine and it came pretty easy to me. He was so 00:32:25.480 --> 00:32:27.940 stressed. I helped him for, I don't know how 00:32:27.940 --> 00:32:30.700 many hours on a seven minute. He got up there 00:32:30.700 --> 00:32:32.779 and froze and started crying in front of the 00:32:32.779 --> 00:32:36.440 class. And you talk about brutal, like you just 00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:39.750 want to. go and give him a hug. Right. But it 00:32:39.750 --> 00:32:42.049 was so obvious that we're in a class that's trying 00:32:42.049 --> 00:32:44.509 to teach us something that he doesn't have. Yeah. 00:32:44.990 --> 00:32:47.950 And it's not necessarily like the, the, and I've 00:32:47.950 --> 00:32:49.529 said this before in different contexts, that 00:32:49.529 --> 00:32:53.190 the note I got from my teacher was not like, 00:32:53.329 --> 00:32:55.630 Hey, here's how you can improve. It was don't 00:32:55.630 --> 00:32:57.289 ever dye your hair again. People won't listen 00:32:57.289 --> 00:32:59.769 to you. Right. Well, that's the only thing you, 00:32:59.789 --> 00:33:01.470 you know what I mean? Like I, you didn't grow 00:33:01.470 --> 00:33:03.710 a whole lot from the class and I don't, again, 00:33:03.769 --> 00:33:05.769 I don't mean that cocky. I think the best thing 00:33:05.769 --> 00:33:08.400 for somebody with a gift is to use it. And as 00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:10.240 you use it under the power of the Holy Spirit, 00:33:10.460 --> 00:33:14.200 God refines that in you. And so I think when 00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:17.119 it comes to do we teach the gifts of the Spirit, 00:33:17.339 --> 00:33:20.799 what people often want is like my friend, he 00:33:20.799 --> 00:33:22.740 wants to be a communicator in college, right? 00:33:23.339 --> 00:33:26.200 But he's not gifted. And so it's never going 00:33:26.200 --> 00:33:28.119 to be something that is natural to him. It's 00:33:28.119 --> 00:33:30.380 never going to be something. And I can't explain 00:33:30.380 --> 00:33:33.319 other than God gives gifts. When it comes to 00:33:33.319 --> 00:33:36.599 the different gifts of the Spirit, it's interesting 00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:39.789 that People want, everybody should have all the 00:33:39.789 --> 00:33:42.150 gifts. Well, the scripture doesn't say that at 00:33:42.150 --> 00:33:43.529 all. The scripture doesn't say that, right? So 00:33:43.529 --> 00:33:47.009 already you're like fighting against what God's 00:33:47.009 --> 00:33:48.809 gone. No, no, no. Some people are this. Some 00:33:48.809 --> 00:33:50.769 people are this. Some people have this. Let's 00:33:50.769 --> 00:33:52.609 also be clear because this is a controversial 00:33:52.609 --> 00:33:56.049 thing within Christian circles is the gifts are 00:33:56.049 --> 00:33:59.509 not evidence of a relationship with Jesus. The 00:33:59.509 --> 00:34:02.650 fruit of the spirit is evidence of the relationship 00:34:02.650 --> 00:34:04.930 with Jesus, right? So just because you produce 00:34:04.930 --> 00:34:09.519 a gift. Yeah. does not mean, no, it's actually 00:34:09.519 --> 00:34:12.039 more the fruit of the Spirit. So if you have 00:34:12.039 --> 00:34:14.079 the fruit of the Spirit in your life and evidence, 00:34:14.380 --> 00:34:19.260 that is more evidence than a gift that, you know, 00:34:19.260 --> 00:34:21.519 and so I think what gets backwards a lot of times 00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:24.179 is if I do not have all the gifts or if I do 00:34:24.179 --> 00:34:27.039 not have certain gifts, which mostly we're referring 00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:29.000 to show gifts, right? And so when it means show 00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:30.860 gifts is the gift of healing, the gift of tongues, 00:34:31.039 --> 00:34:32.780 something like that. And so people are saying, 00:34:32.820 --> 00:34:35.159 if you do not have that, then maybe you don't 00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:37.059 have the Holy Spirit. Which is interesting. Those 00:34:37.059 --> 00:34:39.920 are called sign gifts. Right. Well, who are they 00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:42.840 assigned for? And that's the other piece people 00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:46.360 miss, right? Like a gift is something you give 00:34:46.360 --> 00:34:50.320 away for the benefit of others. And we've done 00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:52.639 this, or I have, I shouldn't project it to you. 00:34:52.940 --> 00:34:55.639 We've done this. Like I've taught before and 00:34:55.639 --> 00:34:57.500 it's all about me. Yeah. Oh no, I have. Right. 00:34:57.539 --> 00:35:00.599 So I've used my gift, but it's about me. And 00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:03.300 it's not a blessing to those that heard it. Right. 00:35:03.710 --> 00:35:07.070 And I think the same when we talk about gifts, 00:35:07.269 --> 00:35:10.210 often we want sign gifts because of what it does 00:35:10.210 --> 00:35:12.889 for us. But that's not what a gift is for. A 00:35:12.889 --> 00:35:15.110 gift is for the edification of the body. It's 00:35:15.110 --> 00:35:17.769 always about, right? So even you get to words 00:35:17.769 --> 00:35:20.550 of prophecy. Words of prophecy are for the building 00:35:20.550 --> 00:35:24.190 up. And that's the piece that's missed. Because 00:35:24.190 --> 00:35:25.949 so often with the word of prophecy, it's all 00:35:25.949 --> 00:35:27.889 about proving the prophet right. It's all about 00:35:27.889 --> 00:35:30.650 that prophet getting status. It's all about that 00:35:30.650 --> 00:35:33.190 couldn't be further than what it was. A prophet 00:35:33.190 --> 00:35:36.389 was someone who was a spokesperson of God for 00:35:36.389 --> 00:35:40.769 the benefit of his people. Well, man, that's 00:35:40.769 --> 00:35:42.829 a lot different than somebody on YouTube trying 00:35:42.829 --> 00:35:45.210 to get people to follow them because they're 00:35:45.210 --> 00:35:47.130 a proclaimed prophet. This is what is going to 00:35:47.130 --> 00:35:50.329 happen. It's not a fortune teller. So for us, 00:35:50.949 --> 00:35:54.530 the gifts, I would say this, Neva, the best place 00:35:54.530 --> 00:36:00.690 to go that we use to try and help people kind 00:36:00.690 --> 00:36:04.000 of walk through a gift assessment, which again 00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:08.320 is so limited. The best idea of if you have a 00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:11.079 gift or not is going, ask somebody who knows 00:36:11.079 --> 00:36:13.679 you really well. Take a list of the gifts and 00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:16.579 go, where do you see this in my life? Or which 00:36:16.579 --> 00:36:19.079 ones of these have you ever seen? Or have you 00:36:19.079 --> 00:36:22.219 seen any of these, right? For heights, I would 00:36:22.219 --> 00:36:24.880 say the best place to go is growth track, where 00:36:24.880 --> 00:36:28.260 you'll walk through, but the purpose is to take 00:36:28.260 --> 00:36:31.360 what comes out as you going, hey, this is an 00:36:31.360 --> 00:36:34.670 area that, I'm gifted in and plugging it into 00:36:34.670 --> 00:36:36.769 serving others. Because that's what it's for. 00:36:36.889 --> 00:36:38.389 We're not going to have a class to teach you 00:36:38.389 --> 00:36:40.829 how to do that better, more. There's plenty of 00:36:40.829 --> 00:36:43.889 resources that can do that. Yep. Agreed. Agreed. 00:36:43.989 --> 00:36:46.469 Agreed. Mr. Senor Beard. It wasn't a very quick 00:36:46.469 --> 00:36:48.389 question, was it? I know. I know we said it would 00:36:48.389 --> 00:36:50.210 be quick, but Senor Beard, where are we doing 00:36:50.210 --> 00:36:54.449 on time? Think we got one more? Sure. One more 00:36:54.449 --> 00:36:56.630 in us. All right, last one. Here we go. Anonymous 00:36:56.630 --> 00:37:00.050 asked this question. I loved Pastor Ben and Bob's 00:37:00.050 --> 00:37:02.590 message on loving your enemies a couple weeks 00:37:02.590 --> 00:37:05.309 back. I'm struggling with actually being able 00:37:05.309 --> 00:37:08.570 to love people who have hurt me. How can I pray 00:37:08.570 --> 00:37:10.929 for people who have hurt me? What does it look 00:37:10.929 --> 00:37:13.150 like for me to love those I've experienced pain 00:37:13.150 --> 00:37:18.710 from? First of all, Ben and Bob both were phenomenal. 00:37:21.130 --> 00:37:25.269 I love the practicality, but I also appreciated 00:37:25.269 --> 00:37:28.690 both of them sharing. It's kind of funny. They 00:37:28.690 --> 00:37:31.309 both shared stories about driving. I was like, 00:37:31.369 --> 00:37:34.349 oh, you guys hang out a lot too. That's good. 00:37:34.449 --> 00:37:37.449 Which one drives when you hang out? But no, I 00:37:37.449 --> 00:37:39.170 thought it was interesting that both of them 00:37:39.170 --> 00:37:42.289 shared personally their walk through it. And 00:37:42.289 --> 00:37:45.849 Ben emphasized the praying, especially, well, 00:37:45.949 --> 00:37:51.599 so did Bob. But yeah, I think. I think just reading 00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:53.480 the question for what it is, right? So I'm struggling 00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:55.639 with actually being able to love people who have 00:37:55.639 --> 00:37:58.699 hurt me. First of all, that is so universally 00:37:58.699 --> 00:38:03.000 normal that that's not, that doesn't make you 00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:05.179 a bad follower of Jesus. That doesn't make you 00:38:05.179 --> 00:38:08.880 any, any less in that regard. It just means welcome 00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:11.199 to being human, right? Like we're on a planet 00:38:11.199 --> 00:38:12.760 that's broken. We're going to get hurt. Yeah. 00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:15.559 And so with that, then the question really is 00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:17.780 what do I do with the pain? Yeah. What do I do 00:38:17.780 --> 00:38:21.489 with, uh, And this, this isn't the right word 00:38:21.489 --> 00:38:24.610 perpetrator. That's not the right word, but the 00:38:24.610 --> 00:38:28.090 offender, but what do I, what do I do with the 00:38:28.090 --> 00:38:31.610 offender of that hurt? And, and honestly, I think 00:38:31.610 --> 00:38:35.489 this is way easier when I'm in relationship with 00:38:35.489 --> 00:38:40.949 that person. So, um, an example, real time, real 00:38:40.949 --> 00:38:44.769 life, Cindy and I get into an argument recently. 00:38:45.489 --> 00:38:49.280 Um, I'm not kind. My words were not what they 00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:53.059 should be. There's a whole layer of why that 00:38:53.059 --> 00:38:56.960 was that I don't need to go into now. But because 00:38:56.960 --> 00:39:00.800 of the relationship we have, that reconciliation 00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:04.380 is able to be worked out fairly quickly, right? 00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:07.380 Like we're able to sit down and work our way 00:39:07.380 --> 00:39:11.860 through it. That's way easier than when somebody 00:39:11.860 --> 00:39:14.780 hurts you and you don't have contact to them, 00:39:14.860 --> 00:39:18.670 that you don't have or... they're not in it to 00:39:18.670 --> 00:39:21.230 build the relationship. And so I think in that 00:39:21.230 --> 00:39:26.269 case, praying for people when they're not going 00:39:26.269 --> 00:39:28.710 to ask for forgiveness, that's exceptionally 00:39:28.710 --> 00:39:31.969 hard. When I would say what you said, what do 00:39:31.969 --> 00:39:33.829 you do with the pain? I would say that's the 00:39:33.829 --> 00:39:36.469 pain. The prescription is the prayer. The prescription 00:39:36.469 --> 00:39:38.730 for that pain is the prayer because I think what 00:39:38.730 --> 00:39:41.429 it does is it helps you release it. And I would 00:39:41.429 --> 00:39:43.570 say, you know, even the question, how can I pray 00:39:43.570 --> 00:39:45.469 for people who've hurt me? You just have to do 00:39:45.469 --> 00:39:48.599 it. And it's like putting a glove on your foot 00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:51.480 the first time. It's weird. Like this doesn't 00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:53.679 fit. This is awkward. This is like a weird shape. 00:39:53.679 --> 00:39:55.400 It all goes back to baseball, people. It all 00:39:55.400 --> 00:39:56.800 goes back to baseball. Well, any glove. It doesn't 00:39:56.800 --> 00:39:59.599 have to be a baseball glove here. That's what 00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:01.639 I envisioned when you said it. I'm sure that's 00:40:01.639 --> 00:40:03.199 what you did. I was thinking like a doctor glove, 00:40:03.199 --> 00:40:05.639 you know, but you like put it on your foot. It's 00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:07.480 like real weird. No, I see a big old baseball 00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:09.699 bat on there. Okay, well, either way, it's still 00:40:09.699 --> 00:40:12.659 a weird thing to do, right? It still feels weird. 00:40:12.659 --> 00:40:15.239 It looks weird. And I think praying for somebody 00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:18.519 that you, uh, has hurt you is weird in the beginning. 00:40:18.619 --> 00:40:21.880 And I think that that's why just do it. Like 00:40:21.880 --> 00:40:25.179 Nike is the best way. Just do it because their 00:40:25.179 --> 00:40:27.920 prayers talk. I'm talking personal here because 00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:29.480 pastor Ben is actually the one who taught me 00:40:29.480 --> 00:40:31.960 this years ago, like probably four or five years 00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:34.179 ago. He was the one sharing like, Hey man, just 00:40:34.179 --> 00:40:37.139 pray for the, for somebody. And I'm like, I want 00:40:37.139 --> 00:40:39.380 to pray for him. I, you know, and literally the 00:40:39.380 --> 00:40:41.449 prayer started with like, God, I hope they don't 00:40:41.449 --> 00:40:43.469 get hit by a car today. Like it's kind of the 00:40:43.469 --> 00:40:45.329 most broad. I don't want anything good to happen 00:40:45.329 --> 00:40:47.389 to them, but I just don't let them get hit by 00:40:47.389 --> 00:40:49.389 a car. And then they started getting more and 00:40:49.389 --> 00:40:50.949 more. And I think that this is the healing part 00:40:50.949 --> 00:40:53.230 of it where the prayer is the prescription. So 00:40:53.230 --> 00:40:56.369 the pain is still there. The prayer helps get 00:40:56.369 --> 00:40:58.250 through it. When you're faithful with praying 00:40:58.250 --> 00:40:59.969 for that person who has hurt you, wronged you, 00:41:00.050 --> 00:41:02.469 or you just don't like, what I have found in 00:41:02.469 --> 00:41:05.010 my life is it's like peeling back layers of an 00:41:05.010 --> 00:41:07.170 onion. And it's like the first one is like, I 00:41:07.170 --> 00:41:08.489 hope they don't get hit by a car. The next one 00:41:08.489 --> 00:41:11.739 is like, I don't know. By the end, you're like 00:41:11.739 --> 00:41:13.440 praying for their family. You're praying for 00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:15.059 their well -being. You're praying for all these 00:41:15.059 --> 00:41:17.119 things. And you start actually meaning it. And 00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:20.519 by the end, I'm talking like 50, 60 days into 00:41:20.519 --> 00:41:22.460 praying for this person. I'm talking like at 00:41:22.460 --> 00:41:24.260 the end of one week, you're going to release 00:41:24.260 --> 00:41:27.800 everything. It genuinely works. And I think it's 00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:30.079 just a consistency of doing it where you're like, 00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:33.260 I'm not mad at them anymore. Yeah, they hurt 00:41:33.260 --> 00:41:34.940 me, but that's gone. I really hope the best for 00:41:34.940 --> 00:41:38.139 them. And it's, it's, it's a interesting thing 00:41:38.139 --> 00:41:39.880 that, that, but I think that's what it looks 00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:42.239 like for us to actually love those who experienced 00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:45.260 pain, especially in this context, I would say 00:41:45.260 --> 00:41:47.239 people that you can't have that conversation 00:41:47.239 --> 00:41:50.219 with. Yeah. So it's like, they're holding this 00:41:50.219 --> 00:41:52.099 power of you. And it's, it's, I think it's a, 00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:54.239 the next step after forgiveness thing, forgiveness 00:41:54.239 --> 00:41:56.980 comes and prayer is working out that forgiveness. 00:41:57.079 --> 00:42:00.559 Yeah. We live in a reasonably sized mountain 00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:03.480 town, just in case you're not familiar with Prescott 00:42:03.480 --> 00:42:07.889 and I've been here long enough that there, and 00:42:07.889 --> 00:42:10.250 I've been in church long enough and the same 00:42:10.250 --> 00:42:15.090 church long enough that in a reasonably sized 00:42:15.090 --> 00:42:21.030 town, you know where they live, you know where 00:42:21.030 --> 00:42:24.570 they work. And one of the things that God has 00:42:24.570 --> 00:42:28.289 consistently done with me is when somebody has 00:42:28.289 --> 00:42:31.070 caused me pain and I'm carrying it, I find that 00:42:31.070 --> 00:42:34.110 I think about them when I see that place. And 00:42:34.110 --> 00:42:38.329 God goes, pray for them a prayer of blessing. 00:42:40.610 --> 00:42:42.929 You know how hard it is to pray for somebody 00:42:42.929 --> 00:42:49.750 to be blessed in their business when they've 00:42:49.750 --> 00:42:53.650 hurt you and your family? And I think for me, 00:42:53.690 --> 00:42:57.250 it's been the driving. I'll drive past something 00:42:57.250 --> 00:43:00.210 and it'll trigger a memory and God goes. You 00:43:00.210 --> 00:43:01.489 need to pray for them. It's one thing when it 00:43:01.489 --> 00:43:03.010 comes up in a conversation, right? It comes up 00:43:03.010 --> 00:43:05.730 in a conversation. You can, you can gauge your 00:43:05.730 --> 00:43:08.429 response and what you say about them or whatever. 00:43:08.570 --> 00:43:10.530 And God will be faithful. Holy spirit will be 00:43:10.530 --> 00:43:13.130 faithful to go. Yep. He seems like you're still 00:43:13.130 --> 00:43:15.369 carrying something, but when you drive by and 00:43:15.369 --> 00:43:19.429 I would get these twinges of like, and it was 00:43:19.429 --> 00:43:21.789 just a quick thought and every time, and it's 00:43:21.789 --> 00:43:24.130 been, it's been consistent. And to your point, 00:43:24.210 --> 00:43:29.699 the, the prayer at first is forced. And after 00:43:29.699 --> 00:43:31.460 a while, it gets to the point that I can drive 00:43:31.460 --> 00:43:33.219 past that place and I don't even think about 00:43:33.219 --> 00:43:37.039 it anymore. And sometimes it comes back. And 00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:38.420 every time it's like, okay, well, we're going 00:43:38.420 --> 00:43:40.340 to pray. We're not going to hold that. We're 00:43:40.340 --> 00:43:41.659 going to leave it on the curb and we're going 00:43:41.659 --> 00:43:44.179 to drive on by. And I think it's just that it's 00:43:44.179 --> 00:43:46.260 that practical. And it's not a one and done. 00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:50.980 It's 60 days in and then I don't do it. And I 00:43:50.980 --> 00:43:54.039 genuinely mean like the best for them. But then 00:43:54.039 --> 00:43:55.960 90 days in, somebody brings them up and I'm like. 00:43:56.329 --> 00:43:57.929 I need to pray for them again because I just 00:43:57.929 --> 00:44:02.210 realized I picked it back up. Oh, man. It felt 00:44:02.210 --> 00:44:04.309 good to be back in the saddle today. Back in. 00:44:04.429 --> 00:44:06.409 And if you've made it this far, you're a part 00:44:06.409 --> 00:44:10.070 of the end of the podcast club. There we go. 00:44:11.010 --> 00:44:14.269 Man, so good. Packed episode today. A lot of 00:44:14.269 --> 00:44:16.070 things that we covered. A lot of things that 00:44:16.070 --> 00:44:17.710 we did. If you stuck with us through all of it, 00:44:17.730 --> 00:44:19.889 thank you so much for being a faithful supporter 00:44:19.889 --> 00:44:24.769 of the podcast. 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