WEBVTT 00:00:05.809 --> 00:00:08.970 Welcome to the Heights Unedited, a podcast featuring 00:00:08.970 --> 00:00:11.609 real conversation about real life, where we dig 00:00:11.609 --> 00:00:14.429 deeper into the weekend message, as well as answering 00:00:14.429 --> 00:00:17.969 your questions on faith, culture, and life. The 00:00:17.969 --> 00:00:20.089 baby bald eagle has flown the nest this week. 00:00:20.390 --> 00:00:23.789 So the snowy egret has stepped in. The snowy 00:00:23.789 --> 00:00:26.289 egret. The snowy egret has stepped in. I'm joined 00:00:26.289 --> 00:00:31.089 right now by LP. I was laughing. Where does LP 00:00:31.089 --> 00:00:33.689 come from? What is that? And the beard. Well, 00:00:33.789 --> 00:00:37.000 because I needed to get my... wow nicknames in 00:00:37.000 --> 00:00:40.460 you got them yeah you got them what's funny is 00:00:40.460 --> 00:00:43.539 you came out the gate hot like it was a welcome 00:00:43.539 --> 00:00:46.659 and then straight into what it is yeah yeah this 00:00:46.659 --> 00:00:49.899 is i i gotta get in people i mean people weren't 00:00:49.899 --> 00:00:52.219 even adjusted so i can just imagine the people 00:00:52.219 --> 00:00:55.880 that like hear the intro the first part and they're 00:00:55.880 --> 00:00:59.679 like who is this yeah that's not the bald eagle 00:00:59.679 --> 00:01:04.189 yep yep It sure isn't. It's a snowy egret, apparently. 00:01:04.409 --> 00:01:06.609 We've been playing a lot of Wingspan, so I got 00:01:06.609 --> 00:01:08.409 birds on the brain. Yeah, we've been playing 00:01:08.409 --> 00:01:10.730 Wingspan. If you haven't played Wingspan, you 00:01:10.730 --> 00:01:14.109 should play. It's worth your time. It's worth 00:01:14.109 --> 00:01:17.269 it. It's worth your four hours. Yeah. We missed 00:01:17.269 --> 00:01:20.709 you last week, and we'll miss you next week, 00:01:20.769 --> 00:01:22.870 but we're stoked to be here this week. Welcome 00:01:22.870 --> 00:01:26.239 to summer. Summer is just inconsistent because 00:01:26.239 --> 00:01:29.620 people are moving and traveling and going. Yeah. 00:01:29.620 --> 00:01:33.500 And I think next week, just let people know, 00:01:33.540 --> 00:01:37.379 like, I'm in California. You're in California, 00:01:37.620 --> 00:01:40.040 right? Or are you back by then? No, I'm back 00:01:40.040 --> 00:01:43.299 by then. But the beard is in California. The 00:01:43.299 --> 00:01:45.859 beard is in California. Simon, the retro beard 00:01:45.859 --> 00:01:51.040 is in California. And so, like, all of our beardness 00:01:51.040 --> 00:01:54.730 is gone. Yeah. Which also means. You can't film 00:01:54.730 --> 00:01:57.250 anything. You can't do an edit without a beard. 00:01:57.409 --> 00:02:00.049 And I ain't growing one because I'm the sad pirate. 00:02:00.209 --> 00:02:03.670 So there you go. And I cannot grow one. So there 00:02:03.670 --> 00:02:08.969 you go. We're all in this together. That's copyrighted. 00:02:08.969 --> 00:02:11.689 We're going to have to cut that. Well, maybe 00:02:11.689 --> 00:02:19.789 YouTube will cancel us. Oh, man. So. Yeah. We're 00:02:19.789 --> 00:02:22.650 really moving. The beard likes our start. Yeah. 00:02:22.710 --> 00:02:25.169 That's a good thing. This is great. Well, we've 00:02:25.169 --> 00:02:28.689 had a conversation now for 45 minutes. Yeah. 00:02:28.750 --> 00:02:30.629 Before this. We should have just recorded that. 00:02:30.750 --> 00:02:34.050 What are we doing? That could be the pre -unedited. 00:02:34.430 --> 00:02:36.770 Secretly the beard done. That's your Patreon. 00:02:37.150 --> 00:02:41.069 That's what you need to get in on. Patreon. That's 00:02:41.069 --> 00:02:42.469 what all the cool kids are doing these days. 00:02:43.409 --> 00:02:45.550 So how, I mean. Half the people are like Patreon. 00:02:45.650 --> 00:02:47.370 What is Patreon? Answer it. You don't need to 00:02:47.370 --> 00:02:50.550 know. How are you doing? I'm good. How are you? 00:02:51.469 --> 00:02:53.610 Yeah, I'm great. World Cup's going on. You spoke 00:02:53.610 --> 00:02:55.729 this weekend. Mm -hmm. And so did you. How does 00:02:55.729 --> 00:02:58.930 your Monday feel having spoke? I don't know if 00:02:58.930 --> 00:03:03.090 I have a true understanding of being wrecked 00:03:03.090 --> 00:03:06.810 on a Monday. Like, because speaking in PV is 00:03:06.810 --> 00:03:09.310 twice. Right. You speak in Prescott and it's 00:03:09.310 --> 00:03:12.250 three times. Right. When you do both across two 00:03:12.250 --> 00:03:15.229 days, I think that's... There's some fatigue. 00:03:15.590 --> 00:03:18.159 There's definitely some fatigue. Yeah. And I 00:03:18.159 --> 00:03:20.759 haven't done that yet. So I don't think I have 00:03:20.759 --> 00:03:23.719 a full understanding of the fatigue on Monday. 00:03:23.740 --> 00:03:26.819 How's your voice feel? Voice is fine. Okay. I 00:03:26.819 --> 00:03:29.159 was slamming. Joanne had some wonderful ginger 00:03:29.159 --> 00:03:33.240 chews. Okay. So I was just slamming. A little 00:03:33.240 --> 00:03:36.439 settling of the tummy. Yes. Slamming those all 00:03:36.439 --> 00:03:42.319 weekend. So yeah. No, I'm not nearly as fatigued 00:03:42.319 --> 00:03:45.500 as I think you are coming into Monday normally. 00:03:46.299 --> 00:03:49.479 Yeah, Mondays normally you're not sure if your 00:03:49.479 --> 00:03:52.979 voice is going to work or sound like Vin Diesel 00:03:52.979 --> 00:03:56.860 because you've been overdoing it. It's gruff. 00:03:56.979 --> 00:04:00.259 Yes, it's gruff. Gruff's a good word. Yeah. So, 00:04:00.319 --> 00:04:03.139 yeah, so I feel good. I mean, it is what it is. 00:04:03.219 --> 00:04:07.860 It's a weekend, and it's always interesting to 00:04:07.860 --> 00:04:13.189 me because we don't do it in a silo. Right. Like, 00:04:13.229 --> 00:04:16.029 you know, like having Jake and Sierra, who for 00:04:16.029 --> 00:04:18.029 those of you that don't know, Sierra is my second 00:04:18.029 --> 00:04:21.110 daughter. Her and her husband were out with their 00:04:21.110 --> 00:04:24.310 dog. And then we had guests all day Saturday. 00:04:24.470 --> 00:04:27.129 Yep. Some of Jake's family came. And so it was 00:04:27.129 --> 00:04:31.670 just like from when they arrived midnight or 00:04:31.670 --> 00:04:34.550 whatever. It was late. Right. Like Thursday, 00:04:34.589 --> 00:04:37.610 Wednesday night. So we had Thursday, Friday, 00:04:37.649 --> 00:04:41.490 Saturday. And it was just. go go time right like 00:04:41.490 --> 00:04:43.569 and so it's a little different going into a weekend 00:04:43.569 --> 00:04:46.910 like that yeah um but yeah all your normal rhythms 00:04:46.910 --> 00:04:50.129 are kind of thrown yeah and that's okay and i'm 00:04:50.129 --> 00:04:53.230 such a rhythm person that it it creates a little 00:04:53.230 --> 00:04:56.110 little interest on that side but i think you 00:04:56.110 --> 00:04:57.850 know getting to go and hear you saturday was 00:04:57.850 --> 00:05:00.370 fun um you did amazing this weekend it was great 00:05:00.370 --> 00:05:04.750 it's kind um it's true well so good i heard somebody 00:05:04.750 --> 00:05:07.990 say beard did you catch that What is good and 00:05:07.990 --> 00:05:11.769 what is beautiful and what is true is all of 00:05:11.769 --> 00:05:15.149 God. It's the transcendentals. It's the classic. 00:05:15.370 --> 00:05:19.329 So there you go. I caught it this weekend. Yeah. 00:05:19.430 --> 00:05:24.910 I listened. Well done. I'm impressed. Oh, man. 00:05:25.189 --> 00:05:28.750 Yeah. Well, and I don't think if you've been 00:05:28.750 --> 00:05:33.660 around our weekend. you'll know that we have 00:05:33.660 --> 00:05:35.860 been doing some live communicators. So this is 00:05:35.860 --> 00:05:37.800 kind of the background to this as well. Yeah, 00:05:37.800 --> 00:05:41.339 in person in both of our physical location. Which 00:05:41.339 --> 00:05:44.180 is amazing. Which I don't even know how you say 00:05:44.180 --> 00:05:47.699 that because Halden is a physical location. Baghdad 00:05:47.699 --> 00:05:50.519 is a physical location. And so I don't even know 00:05:50.519 --> 00:05:54.560 how we say in person without just saying in Prescott 00:05:54.560 --> 00:05:56.699 Valley and Prescott, right? Yeah. So we have 00:05:56.699 --> 00:05:58.740 live communicators in Prescott and Prescott Valley. 00:05:58.819 --> 00:06:00.750 Maybe that's the way we... Talk about it. Yeah. 00:06:00.790 --> 00:06:02.730 It's been going good. Yeah. Did you ever, do 00:06:02.730 --> 00:06:04.670 you want to share a little bit about why we started 00:06:04.670 --> 00:06:08.769 doing that just for the summer? Yeah. So I think 00:06:08.769 --> 00:06:11.329 there's multiple reasons, multiple angles to 00:06:11.329 --> 00:06:16.269 it. I think the big one for me is giving space 00:06:16.269 --> 00:06:21.129 for communicators to develop. I think the future 00:06:21.129 --> 00:06:24.810 of the church is dependent on people that can 00:06:24.810 --> 00:06:28.089 communicate. And so I think there's that angle 00:06:28.089 --> 00:06:31.170 to it that's important. especially for the church. 00:06:31.310 --> 00:06:34.689 Yeah. I think the language that I've come to 00:06:34.689 --> 00:06:38.350 love and it could just be season of life is I'm 00:06:38.350 --> 00:06:41.089 an interim. We're all intrams. Yeah. Right. And 00:06:41.089 --> 00:06:43.009 we're handing it off to somebody else. Right. 00:06:43.069 --> 00:06:45.389 And so who, who's being raised up behind that. 00:06:45.470 --> 00:06:49.790 And then I think it's a chance to kind of honor 00:06:49.790 --> 00:06:53.629 those that, that are in PV at nine 30. I think. 00:06:55.519 --> 00:06:58.379 You know, it's a moment in time that we can give 00:06:58.379 --> 00:07:01.060 them something different at that gathering. Yeah. 00:07:01.819 --> 00:07:04.379 And so it's accomplishing multiple things. And 00:07:04.379 --> 00:07:06.620 then I'm just seeing the elders' excitement for 00:07:06.620 --> 00:07:08.100 it. I think that was the biggest thing is the 00:07:08.100 --> 00:07:10.899 elders were unanimous of, because I went into 00:07:10.899 --> 00:07:15.060 it going, originally, Pastor Ben, who is the 00:07:15.060 --> 00:07:18.240 location pastor for PV, he had asked, hey, could 00:07:18.240 --> 00:07:21.149 we do... you know, couple of weeks in the summer, 00:07:21.189 --> 00:07:23.529 which now has grown to the entire summer. Right. 00:07:23.610 --> 00:07:26.029 And that's due to the elders going, no, let's 00:07:26.029 --> 00:07:28.610 do it every week if we can and see. And then 00:07:28.610 --> 00:07:30.689 some of it is just, just seeing how it impacts 00:07:30.689 --> 00:07:33.410 the church family and impacts communicators. 00:07:33.449 --> 00:07:36.230 And yeah, the summer's a great time to do it. 00:07:36.250 --> 00:07:38.550 Cause like for you, youth has slowed down. So 00:07:38.550 --> 00:07:41.110 then I don't feel like it's putting too much 00:07:41.110 --> 00:07:42.930 on you and there's something else that's coming 00:07:42.930 --> 00:07:46.009 at a cost of that. Right. Or any of our communicators 00:07:46.009 --> 00:07:47.779 like, right. there's a different rhythm and they 00:07:47.779 --> 00:07:50.220 have space for it. Yeah. No, I think it's amazing. 00:07:50.420 --> 00:07:53.279 And I think you talking into about the interim 00:07:53.279 --> 00:07:58.540 stuff, I think that is exactly how it's a top 00:07:58.540 --> 00:08:01.420 -down effect, right? You walking that out as 00:08:01.420 --> 00:08:04.579 our lead pastor and how that spreads out into 00:08:04.579 --> 00:08:06.860 the ministry leads and the pastors on staff. 00:08:07.040 --> 00:08:09.759 Like, I think it is such a important piece because, 00:08:09.860 --> 00:08:14.079 man, I've seen so many churches in the news or 00:08:14.079 --> 00:08:17.189 whatever that are holding tightly. to the little 00:08:17.189 --> 00:08:19.910 kingdoms they made. And I think it's good that 00:08:19.910 --> 00:08:23.310 we're aware that that's a temptation, but also 00:08:23.310 --> 00:08:26.910 we're going to actively move against it. Yeah, 00:08:26.910 --> 00:08:29.050 and I think there's too many churches that you 00:08:29.050 --> 00:08:35.149 see age out, right? And I think there's some 00:08:35.149 --> 00:08:38.129 of it where I think Heights does a phenomenal 00:08:38.129 --> 00:08:41.370 job of using sabbaticals, and I know it's true 00:08:41.370 --> 00:08:44.789 for my life, where a sabbatical forces you to 00:08:44.789 --> 00:08:48.559 not hold on. It forces you to step away and release 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:51.580 everything that's in your hands other than yourself 00:08:51.580 --> 00:08:56.779 and your family. And so when you talk about, 00:08:56.919 --> 00:09:01.340 I don't want to be the guy who is 80 years old 00:09:01.340 --> 00:09:03.879 but can't let go of ministry because I don't 00:09:03.879 --> 00:09:06.659 know who I am without it. I feel like there's 00:09:06.659 --> 00:09:09.340 something that God's doing deeply in me that 00:09:09.340 --> 00:09:14.590 is... I want to be so sharp on the end of when 00:09:14.590 --> 00:09:18.090 God says it's time, it's time. Void of what that 00:09:18.090 --> 00:09:19.970 means for me on the other side. Void of what 00:09:19.970 --> 00:09:21.990 that looks like from a ministry perspective. 00:09:22.049 --> 00:09:25.710 I don't want to hold on to something just because 00:09:25.710 --> 00:09:29.870 I don't know what I am without it. I hope that 00:09:29.870 --> 00:09:35.019 there's a natural transition to... whatever the 00:09:35.019 --> 00:09:38.100 next season is and being excited for that just 00:09:38.100 --> 00:09:40.320 as much as I am today for what I'm doing. So, 00:09:40.360 --> 00:09:42.240 but I think that all comes from following God's 00:09:42.240 --> 00:09:45.379 lead, not ours. Right. Right. And being, and 00:09:45.379 --> 00:09:47.679 being aware of the seasons. Right. And that's, 00:09:47.679 --> 00:09:50.600 it's a huge part of it. And being patient with 00:09:50.600 --> 00:09:52.919 the seasons. Right. Like I think of, I think 00:09:52.919 --> 00:09:55.740 of your language of trickle down to staff or 00:09:55.740 --> 00:10:00.039 other people in ministry, even like for them 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:02.879 to be aware that their interims and their role. 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:07.629 Right. And not being in a rush to put somebody 00:10:07.629 --> 00:10:10.070 into that slot because they want to get to the 00:10:10.070 --> 00:10:13.070 next thing. Correct. But having a genuine heart 00:10:13.070 --> 00:10:15.649 to go, hey, I'm an interim. Who has got entrusted 00:10:15.649 --> 00:10:17.990 to my care that I need to be raising up? Yes. 00:10:18.070 --> 00:10:21.230 Because they may be the future whatever role, 00:10:21.389 --> 00:10:26.129 right? And so I think there's a patience to I'm 00:10:26.129 --> 00:10:27.710 not doing this because I'm trying to get out. 00:10:27.830 --> 00:10:30.269 I'm doing this because this is part of the calling 00:10:30.269 --> 00:10:33.690 of this role. Right. that God's put in my hands. 00:10:33.809 --> 00:10:36.450 Yeah, maybe the word we need to redeem in this 00:10:36.450 --> 00:10:38.950 moment is steward. You're stewarding it. You're 00:10:38.950 --> 00:10:42.169 just stewarding it. And that can mean finances 00:10:42.169 --> 00:10:45.029 and everything, but especially what has God given 00:10:45.029 --> 00:10:48.490 you to hold in this season. Which is good. Yeah. 00:10:48.710 --> 00:10:53.250 Speaking of seasons, I feel like I've stepped 00:10:53.250 --> 00:10:55.830 into a new season with getting the opportunity 00:10:55.830 --> 00:10:59.509 and the privilege of marrying people. Yeah. And 00:10:59.509 --> 00:11:03.509 one of our amazing Toby, who's one of our production 00:11:03.509 --> 00:11:05.289 guys. And you get to do it on the weekend you 00:11:05.289 --> 00:11:07.889 were speaking, which is running the gamut. You 00:11:07.889 --> 00:11:10.210 should have told me no and just done the wedding. 00:11:10.549 --> 00:11:12.789 No, the wedding's great because I have everything 00:11:12.789 --> 00:11:15.570 written down for the wedding. You just, you got 00:11:15.570 --> 00:11:17.830 lines. Just read it. Yeah, it's good. Which is 00:11:17.830 --> 00:11:22.490 why I'm terrible at it. Yeah. The beard is now 00:11:22.490 --> 00:11:27.539 laughing. The beard's imagining. What a wedding 00:11:27.539 --> 00:11:31.679 by you would be like. Yeah. Where you have to 00:11:31.679 --> 00:11:34.059 stand still, don't move and read a script. You 00:11:34.059 --> 00:11:35.759 got to stand right there. It's definitely my 00:11:35.759 --> 00:11:39.740 skill set. And Simon, who's, you know, this is 00:11:39.740 --> 00:11:41.820 the retro beard. He took photos for the wedding. 00:11:41.899 --> 00:11:44.820 And he did remind me because, you know, this 00:11:44.820 --> 00:11:47.320 is, it's good to be reminded. He's like, hey, 00:11:47.340 --> 00:11:49.500 when you. pronounce them husband and wife and 00:11:49.500 --> 00:11:51.360 you say you can kiss your bride, will you get 00:11:51.360 --> 00:11:54.919 out of the photo? It's really weird when the 00:11:54.919 --> 00:11:59.100 pastor's standing there looking all like... So, 00:11:59.100 --> 00:12:00.779 you know, all these details. And the best part 00:12:00.779 --> 00:12:02.960 is, as a pastor, you're fully aware you're in 00:12:02.960 --> 00:12:06.519 the picture. So you're trying to make it as natural 00:12:06.519 --> 00:12:09.620 as possible to smile. And you just end up with 00:12:09.620 --> 00:12:11.820 the stupidest look on your face in everybody's 00:12:11.820 --> 00:12:14.820 wedding picture. It's great. This is why photographers 00:12:14.820 --> 00:12:18.740 must also be good editors. We keep them on their 00:12:18.740 --> 00:12:23.700 toes. Well, we got AI now. You just bloop. You're 00:12:23.700 --> 00:12:25.379 gone. I'm still not convinced. I don't know what 00:12:25.379 --> 00:12:33.879 it's doing, but who knows? I just had the image 00:12:33.879 --> 00:12:36.399 of like, you get your original wedding picture, 00:12:36.519 --> 00:12:39.419 right? So you get the wedding picture, but 20 00:12:39.419 --> 00:12:43.080 years from now, you like come back into the background 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:45.559 of the picture because AI took it out in a moment, 00:12:45.600 --> 00:12:52.460 but it's still there. The software lapsed. So 00:12:52.460 --> 00:12:57.720 then you're back. What was really cool was getting 00:12:57.720 --> 00:13:01.799 to see the parents of the groom, the parents 00:13:01.799 --> 00:13:05.299 of the bride. uh, both of this, this is, or at 00:13:05.299 --> 00:13:07.659 least for the parents of the groom, uh, this 00:13:07.659 --> 00:13:10.500 was their first moment marrying off one of their 00:13:10.500 --> 00:13:12.940 children. Okay. Uh, so they're stepping into 00:13:12.940 --> 00:13:14.600 a new season. It's been really cool. Cause I've 00:13:14.600 --> 00:13:18.000 had conversations with Amy about this. Um, but 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:21.000 man, what, and Amy is who Amy is our upside director, 00:13:21.259 --> 00:13:24.299 preschool director. She's amazing. Uh, we run 00:13:24.299 --> 00:13:28.000 upside out of park collective. Um, and man, she 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:30.539 has been killing it. Yeah. As they're doing phenomenal. 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:33.690 Yeah. Yeah. I don't, There's a lot of life in 00:13:33.690 --> 00:13:35.250 that place. Yeah, and I don't think we have any 00:13:35.250 --> 00:13:38.909 openings right now. It's close to full, which 00:13:38.909 --> 00:13:44.470 is awesome. But anyways, you have stepped into 00:13:44.470 --> 00:13:47.549 a new season of marrying off your daughters, 00:13:47.629 --> 00:13:51.769 your oldest. What advice would you have for people 00:13:51.769 --> 00:13:54.230 maybe stepping into that new season or you're 00:13:54.230 --> 00:13:58.049 on the horizon of it? What does that look like? 00:13:58.230 --> 00:14:02.279 Who says I'm doing it well? I mean, do you want 00:14:02.279 --> 00:14:05.779 some feedback? Yeah, I mean, you're sitting front 00:14:05.779 --> 00:14:08.600 row. Well, yeah, but I have feedback from others 00:14:08.600 --> 00:14:11.220 as well that I would love to share. So just to 00:14:11.220 --> 00:14:15.039 be clear for everybody, because this is unedited, 00:14:15.120 --> 00:14:18.379 before we started, The Beard had a great idea 00:14:18.379 --> 00:14:21.600 of texting this question to our family group 00:14:21.600 --> 00:14:24.299 chat. Was it a great idea? I mean, we're doing 00:14:24.299 --> 00:14:27.639 it, so it's a great idea. Texting the family 00:14:27.639 --> 00:14:32.279 group chat and getting live feedback. My feedback 00:14:32.279 --> 00:14:35.720 from my family about how I'm marrying off my 00:14:35.720 --> 00:14:40.039 kids. Parenting married children. I think that's 00:14:40.039 --> 00:14:43.360 the challenge. That's maybe the challenge. I 00:14:43.360 --> 00:14:48.460 have some great ones here. You're Bailey. I'm 00:14:48.460 --> 00:14:50.940 a 15 -year -old. You're a 15 -year -old. She 00:14:50.940 --> 00:14:58.149 has said that you don't rage bait. your uh oldest 00:14:58.149 --> 00:15:02.750 daughters as much anymore whereas you apparently 00:15:02.750 --> 00:15:06.669 rage bait bailey all the time so that's the change 00:15:06.669 --> 00:15:09.549 yeah so so you get married and then you don't 00:15:09.549 --> 00:15:11.950 get rage baited anymore apparently okay and for 00:15:11.950 --> 00:15:13.789 those of you at home who are wondering what rage 00:15:13.789 --> 00:15:16.529 baiting is just google it just it's google it 00:15:16.529 --> 00:15:20.370 uh on a more serious i mean come on she's 15 00:15:20.370 --> 00:15:24.080 she deserved to be rage baited I'm her dad. That's 00:15:24.080 --> 00:15:26.240 what I'm supposed to do. Doesn't the verse say, 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:31.000 fathers exasperate your children? Is it telling 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:34.039 you to do that? Is it a command? I feel like 00:15:34.039 --> 00:15:35.659 I don't remember it being a command. No, it's 00:15:35.659 --> 00:15:37.700 not a command. It's the opposite of that. But, 00:15:37.740 --> 00:15:39.639 you know, that's what we're good at. Live it. 00:15:39.700 --> 00:15:41.279 You're living scripture. It's really good. Yeah, 00:15:41.279 --> 00:15:43.480 you know. Living my own version of scripture. 00:15:43.600 --> 00:15:47.559 That's great. Jake has actually responded. Oh, 00:15:47.580 --> 00:15:50.840 okay. So Jake is my son -in -law. Correct. My 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:55.820 other son -in -law. Yes. He has said, being one 00:15:55.820 --> 00:15:57.860 of the two that's been married into the family, 00:15:58.019 --> 00:16:01.960 I would say you, John, has been amazing. Super 00:16:01.960 --> 00:16:06.200 intentional, always fun to be around, and gives 00:16:06.200 --> 00:16:09.299 us a good example of how to lead a family. Wow. 00:16:09.500 --> 00:16:11.820 I know. But he does have a critique. Okay. You 00:16:11.820 --> 00:16:14.340 ready for the critique? That's got to have something 00:16:14.340 --> 00:16:17.500 to do with sports. You know Jake quite well. 00:16:18.299 --> 00:16:22.539 Is you're a gunner. And London might be red for 00:16:22.539 --> 00:16:24.700 now, but apparently it's always been blue. Oh, 00:16:24.720 --> 00:16:27.600 hold up. Hold up, Jake. The whole country is 00:16:27.600 --> 00:16:30.539 red. Well, we are the Premier League champions. 00:16:30.919 --> 00:16:32.679 And for those of you that don't know, the Gunners 00:16:32.679 --> 00:16:34.779 are Arsenal Football Club. And you are wearing 00:16:34.779 --> 00:16:37.460 a sweatshirt. Arsenal Football Club. Yeah. And 00:16:37.460 --> 00:16:42.360 just like these are red, it's red. I mean, I'll 00:16:42.360 --> 00:16:45.759 say this. In London, it's not the prettiest red 00:16:45.759 --> 00:16:46.860 I've seen. Okay, can we really talk about the 00:16:46.860 --> 00:16:49.559 issue? Yeah, let's talk about it. What is... 00:16:49.659 --> 00:16:51.799 Just go ahead and frame the issue. So here's 00:16:51.799 --> 00:16:56.299 a real challenge as the father giving away his 00:16:56.299 --> 00:16:58.700 daughter. Yeah. You show up and you're a Liverpool 00:16:58.700 --> 00:17:02.440 fan. I know. Which, again, give the context. 00:17:02.620 --> 00:17:05.900 The rest of your family. It doesn't mean I like 00:17:05.900 --> 00:17:08.279 them. Is Liverpool fans. Yeah. So this feels 00:17:08.279 --> 00:17:11.440 like an attack on you. Yes. Renewed. Yes. Because 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:13.740 you're just joining the masses. I don't know 00:17:13.740 --> 00:17:17.119 if I'm joining the masses. So you've got you 00:17:17.119 --> 00:17:20.359 a Liverpool fan. Jake shows up. And one of the 00:17:20.359 --> 00:17:25.380 teams that both of us hate Chelsea. Yeah. Jake 00:17:25.380 --> 00:17:28.339 is a Chelsea fan. Yeah. So navigate that as a 00:17:28.339 --> 00:17:30.559 father -in -law. Yeah. It's difficult. Yeah. 00:17:30.660 --> 00:17:32.859 It's, it's rough. And although we're the champ, 00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:34.920 so it's not that bad. Yeah. But God's mercies 00:17:34.920 --> 00:17:37.579 are new every morning. So it's all good. That 00:17:37.579 --> 00:17:39.440 was very nice of Jake. Yeah. Yeah. Super good. 00:17:40.019 --> 00:17:47.160 I have one from both. I have from both of your 00:17:47.160 --> 00:17:51.119 daughters. Oh boy. Oh, boy. This is Rylan and 00:17:51.119 --> 00:17:54.700 Sierra who've responded. So Rylan is the oldest. 00:17:54.940 --> 00:17:57.759 Rylan is the oldest. Yes. This is my wife. And 00:17:57.759 --> 00:18:01.140 then Sierra, who Jake is married to. So who should 00:18:01.140 --> 00:18:02.940 I read first? Actually, I'm going to read Rylan's 00:18:02.940 --> 00:18:07.339 first. I'd say he's the best dad. He's always 00:18:07.339 --> 00:18:09.519 had a good balance of being my dad while also 00:18:09.519 --> 00:18:12.599 being one of my best friends, even as a teenager 00:18:12.599 --> 00:18:15.819 and now as an adult, too. He gave me a great 00:18:15.819 --> 00:18:18.099 example of what I wanted to look for in a husband. 00:18:18.220 --> 00:18:20.940 And both him and my mom gave me great examples 00:18:20.940 --> 00:18:24.339 of how I want to be a parent now too. And she 00:18:24.339 --> 00:18:26.980 said, love you, dad. Wow. Love you too. Yeah. 00:18:27.019 --> 00:18:30.019 We're just. Wow. This was supposed to go this 00:18:30.019 --> 00:18:35.059 way. I know. We got waterworks coming. Sierra. 00:18:35.279 --> 00:18:39.700 See it. Here's Sierra's. She seconded it. She's 00:18:39.700 --> 00:18:43.109 like, I couldn't have said this better. She said, 00:18:43.130 --> 00:18:45.410 I feel like he walks the line so well of being 00:18:45.410 --> 00:18:47.589 our friend while still being there for us anytime 00:18:47.589 --> 00:18:50.470 we need. I'm also so thankful to have such a 00:18:50.470 --> 00:18:52.950 great example of what I want my family to be. 00:18:53.109 --> 00:18:59.009 Well, thank you guys. So it sounds like to the 00:18:59.009 --> 00:19:03.230 question of parenting married children, it sounds 00:19:03.230 --> 00:19:06.289 like there's a balance involved. Yeah, I think 00:19:06.289 --> 00:19:12.099 to Raymond's original question, Your role changes. 00:19:12.259 --> 00:19:18.759 And I think if you don't change, first of all, 00:19:18.779 --> 00:19:21.019 your kids can't change that role for you. You 00:19:21.019 --> 00:19:24.759 have to proactively change that role. And so 00:19:24.759 --> 00:19:30.599 what I mean by that is you no longer have decision 00:19:30.599 --> 00:19:34.960 -making rights. You're not in the decision. So 00:19:34.960 --> 00:19:37.519 hopefully you've built a relationship that your 00:19:37.519 --> 00:19:43.599 kids... will ask you in um major life moment 00:19:43.599 --> 00:19:46.000 decisions right like they'll still get your input 00:19:46.000 --> 00:19:51.500 yeah um so an example would be um you know you 00:19:51.500 --> 00:19:55.099 guys are in dallas and looking at coming back 00:19:55.099 --> 00:19:59.720 right like in your processing what am i what 00:19:59.720 --> 00:20:02.220 am i going to do should i go work for the church 00:20:02.220 --> 00:20:07.039 should i um if so what role that kind of stuff 00:20:07.039 --> 00:20:10.019 right Or even just the move in general, right? 00:20:10.299 --> 00:20:12.240 Right. Like they just become so much bigger. 00:20:12.319 --> 00:20:15.059 I mean, I remember Rye. So now you guys are in 00:20:15.059 --> 00:20:19.960 Dallas. And the hospital she's working at was 00:20:19.960 --> 00:20:22.819 really tough for two years, created all kinds 00:20:22.819 --> 00:20:25.220 of things for her she hadn't experienced before. 00:20:25.400 --> 00:20:31.140 Right. Emotionally and physically, just the unknown, 00:20:31.259 --> 00:20:34.450 the anxiety of the unknown every day. Well, then 00:20:34.450 --> 00:20:36.609 she's got a chance to get out of that because 00:20:36.609 --> 00:20:38.789 the contract's up. Yep. And you guys, I don't 00:20:38.789 --> 00:20:40.150 know if you remember, you guys were looking at 00:20:40.150 --> 00:20:43.349 doing the remote nursing. Yes. Right? We were 00:20:43.349 --> 00:20:46.710 going to buy a trailer. Yeah. And just travel 00:20:46.710 --> 00:20:50.230 the country. Yeah. And that's one of those moments 00:20:50.230 --> 00:20:54.450 where, like, clearly we have opinions on it. 00:20:54.549 --> 00:20:56.990 Yeah. And we would make different decisions, 00:20:57.029 --> 00:21:00.269 but it really is going, that's not our decision 00:21:00.269 --> 00:21:03.049 to make. Right. Our decision is to champion. 00:21:03.109 --> 00:21:09.710 And so when the thoughts are pursuing what God 00:21:09.710 --> 00:21:11.869 has for you guys and the thoughts are you guys 00:21:11.869 --> 00:21:15.210 have clearly spent the time figuring out what 00:21:15.210 --> 00:21:17.069 each other wants, we're going to champion that 00:21:17.069 --> 00:21:19.170 stuff. Right. Like the outcome of the decision, 00:21:19.430 --> 00:21:21.710 you got to walk that. Yeah. And I think that's 00:21:21.710 --> 00:21:24.309 where, for me, I feel like a lot of parents, 00:21:24.509 --> 00:21:29.210 especially in this stage, really struggle because 00:21:29.210 --> 00:21:31.859 they want control. because they think there's 00:21:31.859 --> 00:21:35.200 a right decision to make versus going um now 00:21:35.200 --> 00:21:37.480 if you were doing something that was going to 00:21:37.480 --> 00:21:39.519 put you guys off yeah we would speak up and go 00:21:39.519 --> 00:21:41.380 hey we don't think this is wise right but you 00:21:41.380 --> 00:21:43.900 guys got to make the choice right right but there's 00:21:43.900 --> 00:21:46.519 uh mike gaston who used to be on staff he gave 00:21:46.519 --> 00:21:48.980 me some advice once and i don't remember the 00:21:48.980 --> 00:21:51.160 context of how we it might have been when you 00:21:51.160 --> 00:21:53.519 guys were getting married actually but he said 00:21:53.519 --> 00:21:56.720 your role changes to cheerleader and he goes 00:21:56.720 --> 00:21:58.599 you have to figure out the right things to cheer 00:21:59.519 --> 00:22:02.640 And it was so helpful because I was navigating 00:22:02.640 --> 00:22:07.039 this loss, right? Like you're losing. We've loved 00:22:07.039 --> 00:22:09.259 with all our kids. We love the relationship we 00:22:09.259 --> 00:22:12.019 have. They're all unique. Yeah. But there's this 00:22:12.019 --> 00:22:14.559 natural transition. College helps with that. 00:22:15.019 --> 00:22:17.599 But then marriage is a whole nother. And then 00:22:17.599 --> 00:22:22.660 you guys now parenting. And if you're a control 00:22:22.660 --> 00:22:25.720 person, it's going to break down because you're 00:22:25.720 --> 00:22:27.900 going to want to control how parenting goes and 00:22:27.900 --> 00:22:30.119 what. versus going, what are the right things 00:22:30.119 --> 00:22:32.579 I can cheer? What are the right things I can 00:22:32.579 --> 00:22:35.640 champion? What are the things that when you come 00:22:35.640 --> 00:22:39.480 for input, knowing this is a moment to speak 00:22:39.480 --> 00:22:41.380 up and this is a moment to back away. So I think 00:22:41.380 --> 00:22:43.180 there's a give and take on both sides to answer 00:22:43.180 --> 00:22:45.759 the question. I think as a parent, it really 00:22:45.759 --> 00:22:51.279 is you figuring out your role and figuring out 00:22:51.279 --> 00:22:53.779 your own issues. Like if you're a control person, 00:22:54.119 --> 00:22:56.579 you got to figure that out. Your kids can't figure 00:22:56.579 --> 00:22:58.710 that out for you. But I would say equally on 00:22:58.710 --> 00:23:01.049 the other side, your kids are trying to figure 00:23:01.049 --> 00:23:04.670 out how to navigate this new relationship. And 00:23:04.670 --> 00:23:06.569 as long as you keep talking and working through, 00:23:06.849 --> 00:23:10.309 it'll be good. Yeah, I think it's really good. 00:23:10.410 --> 00:23:12.470 And I know being on the other side of it, one 00:23:12.470 --> 00:23:15.809 of the things that I've really valued in our 00:23:15.809 --> 00:23:19.970 relationship is that when you're speaking life 00:23:19.970 --> 00:23:23.109 or advice into our relationship, it's always 00:23:23.109 --> 00:23:25.490 in the context of, hey, you guys as a family 00:23:25.490 --> 00:23:28.319 unit. It's always back on you guys are making 00:23:28.319 --> 00:23:31.660 the decision. This is just what I see from the 00:23:31.660 --> 00:23:34.859 outside, but it's up to you guys. And I think 00:23:34.859 --> 00:23:41.019 that consistency, one, I think forces us to grow 00:23:41.019 --> 00:23:45.039 in our relationship as married people, as two 00:23:45.039 --> 00:23:49.220 becoming one. But I think it, at the same time, 00:23:49.240 --> 00:23:52.980 validates the trust that you've placed in both 00:23:52.980 --> 00:23:56.019 of your son -in -laws. for that. So, well, I 00:23:56.019 --> 00:23:57.859 appreciate that. And I think too, right? Like 00:23:57.859 --> 00:24:00.220 if you don't have ownership of the decision, 00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:01.859 you can't have ownership of the consequences. 00:24:03.160 --> 00:24:04.920 Well, if you don't have ownership of the consequences, 00:24:04.960 --> 00:24:07.220 how do you grow? Right. Right. So there has to 00:24:07.220 --> 00:24:11.619 be an ownership that's transferred. And, and 00:24:11.619 --> 00:24:14.779 within that, not a ha ha, I told you so. Right. 00:24:14.839 --> 00:24:17.539 But a genuine, like, no, this has to be your 00:24:17.539 --> 00:24:20.089 decision. We're going to roll no matter the outcome. 00:24:20.230 --> 00:24:21.890 Yeah. If you would have bought the trailer and 00:24:21.890 --> 00:24:24.130 it was a, well, and the funny part is you had 00:24:24.130 --> 00:24:26.069 your two bulldogs at the time of like, that is 00:24:26.069 --> 00:24:28.490 just chaos. We were going to go into so much 00:24:28.490 --> 00:24:31.769 debt just to get the trailer and the truck. Like 00:24:31.769 --> 00:24:34.450 this was post COVID. We just kind of were sending 00:24:34.450 --> 00:24:39.009 it. Which, which in on paper. You could have. 00:24:39.170 --> 00:24:41.049 You could have. And there were people that did 00:24:41.049 --> 00:24:43.190 it. Yeah. So it's not like you were coming up 00:24:43.190 --> 00:24:45.089 with some new thing that would, nobody was doing 00:24:45.089 --> 00:24:48.529 or whatever. And the need was there. Right. The, 00:24:48.529 --> 00:24:52.609 the part with it was even had you done it and 00:24:52.609 --> 00:24:54.970 the consequence or not the consequences, but 00:24:54.970 --> 00:24:57.230 the reality turned out opposite or different, 00:24:57.369 --> 00:24:59.910 or it'd been a painful situation in your life. 00:25:00.710 --> 00:25:03.130 The key is we're rolling no matter what, right? 00:25:03.190 --> 00:25:05.190 It wasn't, you didn't take our advice. So we're 00:25:05.190 --> 00:25:08.789 not rolling. And I see so many families that 00:25:08.789 --> 00:25:11.750 struggle to adjust because if they don't do it 00:25:11.750 --> 00:25:16.180 their way. then that's on you right no no we're 00:25:16.180 --> 00:25:18.660 still we're still us right right like we're still 00:25:18.660 --> 00:25:20.660 in this we're still gonna walk we're still gonna 00:25:20.660 --> 00:25:24.519 figure things out we're not um and i just think 00:25:24.519 --> 00:25:28.359 that makes it it can get really messy when yeah 00:25:28.359 --> 00:25:31.099 when ownership's not given yeah because then 00:25:31.099 --> 00:25:33.519 the flip side is if if ownership isn't given 00:25:34.200 --> 00:25:36.380 And you think you're doing what we're telling 00:25:36.380 --> 00:25:38.740 you to do, and then that turns out bad? Yeah, 00:25:38.759 --> 00:25:41.039 that's a cause for resentment. Oh, absolutely. 00:25:41.299 --> 00:25:43.859 Well, and then for you, and this is the part 00:25:43.859 --> 00:25:46.740 I'm learning from my seat, it's different for 00:25:46.740 --> 00:25:50.859 Raymond, but I have to empower you guys as the 00:25:50.859 --> 00:25:55.039 leader of your homes. Yes. Not only is it important 00:25:55.039 --> 00:25:58.859 for your home, it's biblical, right? And so that 00:25:58.859 --> 00:26:01.420 piece, figuring out how do I empower you guys? 00:26:02.509 --> 00:26:05.569 And that's where I see, you know, within families 00:26:05.569 --> 00:26:08.130 too, where it creates resentment and bitterness 00:26:08.130 --> 00:26:10.390 and there's separation from older kids. Yeah. 00:26:10.769 --> 00:26:13.150 The person was never empowered. Right. And there 00:26:13.150 --> 00:26:15.029 was always a feeling like I'm failing. Right. 00:26:15.089 --> 00:26:17.190 Well, that's because you're not cheerleading. 00:26:17.269 --> 00:26:19.150 If you're cheerleading, they're not going to 00:26:19.150 --> 00:26:22.230 feel like they're. So anyways. It's really good. 00:26:22.470 --> 00:26:24.390 And I think. Hopefully it's helpful. Well, and 00:26:24.390 --> 00:26:27.490 I think too, we got some live feedback too. Yeah. 00:26:27.750 --> 00:26:31.190 Man, two birds, one stone. Love my kids. So good. 00:26:32.369 --> 00:26:34.390 We should recap the weekend a little bit. Okay. 00:26:35.109 --> 00:26:38.109 Let's recap your message. We can recap the weekend 00:26:38.109 --> 00:26:43.230 at large. Well, I think we haven't talked about 00:26:43.230 --> 00:26:47.190 on the podcast, at least I confirm with a beard, 00:26:47.269 --> 00:26:48.430 we haven't talked about the collection we're 00:26:48.430 --> 00:26:50.869 actually in. Yeah. So maybe we should start there 00:26:50.869 --> 00:26:53.789 about what this collection is and what we're 00:26:53.789 --> 00:26:57.150 doing with it. Yeah. The collection was actually 00:26:57.150 --> 00:27:01.549 born out of a song. How do you pronounce it? 00:27:01.569 --> 00:27:03.710 Amex Radio? Is that how you would? I have not 00:27:03.710 --> 00:27:11.089 figured. A, wait, what? A -M -X -N Radio. Is 00:27:11.089 --> 00:27:14.569 that? That's how you pronounce it? I'll be honest. 00:27:14.970 --> 00:27:19.769 Searching it is far more difficult than the pronouncing 00:27:19.769 --> 00:27:24.769 it. So look up the album Silhouettes. Big. We'll 00:27:24.769 --> 00:27:26.069 put it in the description. Oh, we will. Look 00:27:26.069 --> 00:27:27.829 at that. The beer just dropping it in for you 00:27:27.829 --> 00:27:30.910 guys. It's big. So yeah. So there's a song on 00:27:30.910 --> 00:27:33.750 their Silhouettes album. For those of you that 00:27:33.750 --> 00:27:36.230 care about history and are interested in church 00:27:36.230 --> 00:27:38.390 connections and that kind of stuff, it's Joel 00:27:38.390 --> 00:27:42.109 Houston, who used to be Hillsong New York, used 00:27:42.109 --> 00:27:47.410 to be Hillsong United. I don't think he was ever 00:27:47.410 --> 00:27:50.589 young and free. No, but he was overseeing most 00:27:50.589 --> 00:27:53.569 of their worship. Yeah. I mean, very, very influential 00:27:53.569 --> 00:27:57.269 in Hillsong worship, which what's beautiful with 00:27:57.269 --> 00:28:01.730 Joel is that journey was so painful for him that 00:28:01.730 --> 00:28:04.569 I feel like he hit the reset button on. I'm not 00:28:04.569 --> 00:28:08.569 writing music for other people. Yes. And so it 00:28:08.569 --> 00:28:11.829 really is genuine. I feel like it is. It's his 00:28:11.829 --> 00:28:14.349 journey and what he's found to be true about 00:28:14.349 --> 00:28:16.589 God. Yeah. And there's a song on there, Who You 00:28:16.589 --> 00:28:22.750 Are. As I was spending time and just kind of 00:28:22.750 --> 00:28:26.589 going through scripture, that song was playing 00:28:26.589 --> 00:28:29.750 in the background at some point. And it just 00:28:29.750 --> 00:28:32.029 felt like when I was listening to it, there's 00:28:32.029 --> 00:28:35.690 so many surprises. He's going through the story 00:28:35.690 --> 00:28:39.369 of God and he's going, that's who you are. Almost 00:28:39.369 --> 00:28:44.710 like a surprise sometimes, sometimes like a confirmation, 00:28:45.109 --> 00:28:48.099 sometimes like a... And as I was studying for 00:28:48.099 --> 00:28:50.759 this, knowing we were doing the life of Jesus, 00:28:50.839 --> 00:28:53.180 I was like, it's just who you are. Right. Right. 00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:55.319 Like there's these massive things that are true 00:28:55.319 --> 00:28:58.119 of you and it's just who you are. Yeah. And so 00:28:58.119 --> 00:29:00.880 I think for the church family, the hope is like 00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:03.400 there's some ahas, there's some surprises, there's 00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:06.099 some moments where it catches you kind of sideways. 00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:08.079 Yeah. And then there's other moments where it's 00:29:08.079 --> 00:29:11.700 just confirmation. It's moments where. I knew 00:29:11.700 --> 00:29:13.619 this and it hasn't changed and it won't change. 00:29:13.779 --> 00:29:17.000 And this is who Jesus is. And so the who you 00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:20.960 are is who is Jesus. Well, and I think too, even 00:29:20.960 --> 00:29:25.119 in connection to that, studying for like this 00:29:25.119 --> 00:29:28.059 last weekend and everything, I realized how often 00:29:28.059 --> 00:29:33.160 the images I have of Jesus can be so off base, 00:29:33.259 --> 00:29:36.660 right? And to be corrected in that moment by 00:29:36.660 --> 00:29:40.400 scripture of an image that is a better fit. And 00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:44.059 so this week was Cosmic Warrior. And I would 00:29:44.059 --> 00:29:47.079 be lying if I said I wasn't tempted to just abandon 00:29:47.079 --> 00:29:49.960 all things and go to Revelation 19 with the image 00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:53.619 of that just heavenly warrior who comes down 00:29:53.619 --> 00:29:59.519 to smite evil and put it to bed. But at the same 00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:02.500 time, I think I was struck studying for this 00:30:02.500 --> 00:30:06.660 weekend or last weekend how the image of Jesus 00:30:06.660 --> 00:30:09.819 as the cosmic warrior in Luke. especially as 00:30:09.819 --> 00:30:14.700 he's using his words, that image, especially 00:30:14.700 --> 00:30:20.819 for me, was much more able to communicate an 00:30:20.819 --> 00:30:25.680 image of a warrior that Jesus is calling me to. 00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:30.440 Because the Revelation 19, I don't know if we're 00:30:30.440 --> 00:30:34.180 ever able. Or called to even be that heavenly 00:30:34.180 --> 00:30:37.299 warrior. That is Jesus alone. But Jesus and Luke 00:30:37.299 --> 00:30:39.460 being the cosmic warrior, there is some element 00:30:39.460 --> 00:30:44.440 of participation that is extended to us. And 00:30:44.440 --> 00:30:47.680 that's the hope, right? Is that we would know. 00:30:47.819 --> 00:30:52.619 So we would gain some knowledge. We would gain 00:30:52.619 --> 00:30:56.480 some insight. But that would be experiential. 00:30:56.519 --> 00:30:59.059 Right. and so that we're gaining knowledge of 00:30:59.059 --> 00:31:01.539 jesus but also experiencing jesus i think i think 00:31:01.539 --> 00:31:05.680 those both are super important and and i think 00:31:05.680 --> 00:31:11.619 intentionally too like um you know bringing it 00:31:11.619 --> 00:31:14.259 down to what how does this impact my day -to 00:31:14.259 --> 00:31:16.519 -day yeah how does this move into and the fun 00:31:16.519 --> 00:31:21.079 part of the collection is you got a title and 00:31:21.079 --> 00:31:24.690 you got verses yep and you got Maybe with this 00:31:24.690 --> 00:31:27.670 one, a little more thought to it, but for everybody 00:31:27.670 --> 00:31:30.829 who's speaking, me included, there's a title 00:31:30.829 --> 00:31:33.730 and there's verses. And where you go and what 00:31:33.730 --> 00:31:36.529 the Lord does and how the Holy Spirit moves, 00:31:36.849 --> 00:31:41.470 that's unique to the communicator versus, and 00:31:41.470 --> 00:31:43.670 we can do that because life groups aren't meeting 00:31:43.670 --> 00:31:46.289 through the summer, right? So we can have you 00:31:46.289 --> 00:31:49.029 step up and have a different emphasis, even under 00:31:49.029 --> 00:31:52.099 the, so it's the same thought, same. driving 00:31:52.099 --> 00:31:54.599 point so the cosmic yeah i mean the cosmic warrior 00:31:54.599 --> 00:31:56.460 you wrote it on the board straight from the get 00:31:56.460 --> 00:31:58.220 -go right this is what we're talking about yeah 00:31:58.220 --> 00:32:02.200 but you heavily leaned into the power of words 00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:05.619 yeah um i didn't do that at all right right and 00:32:05.619 --> 00:32:08.839 and yet you could listen to those both of those 00:32:08.839 --> 00:32:12.660 and go oh this is the same jesus right like this 00:32:12.660 --> 00:32:15.119 is the cosmic jesus who is the cosmic warrior 00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:17.359 right and i think that's going to be fun through 00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:19.680 the summer to yeah i think we'll see some people 00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:23.200 maybe going to both Yeah, just to see the difference 00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:26.759 or what's emphasized differently. And again, 00:32:26.839 --> 00:32:29.819 like you said, it's all because of the Spirit 00:32:29.819 --> 00:32:35.420 using the experiences, our past images even of 00:32:35.420 --> 00:32:39.059 Jesus, and working those and basically giving 00:32:39.059 --> 00:32:44.359 people another on -road on just to who Jesus 00:32:44.359 --> 00:32:52.009 is. So yeah, let's go through yours. See what 00:32:52.009 --> 00:32:54.549 he did there, Beard? Yeah, you like that? In 00:32:54.549 --> 00:32:59.430 this chair, there's a lot of power in the directing 00:32:59.430 --> 00:33:05.829 of the conversation. So yeah, you started with 00:33:05.829 --> 00:33:09.549 the World Cup and the cosmic kind of implications 00:33:09.549 --> 00:33:15.849 of that. But walk us through how you painted 00:33:15.849 --> 00:33:19.180 Jesus as this cosmic warrior from Luke. Yeah. 00:33:19.220 --> 00:33:21.420 I think for me, what stood out in reading it 00:33:21.420 --> 00:33:27.079 on my own was the authority and power. And so 00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:32.099 much so that that is what they're amazed by. 00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:35.380 They're amazed that his words had authority and 00:33:35.380 --> 00:33:37.000 power. And so that's where you picked up on the 00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:40.599 words, right? Yes. And I think for me, where 00:33:40.599 --> 00:33:43.559 it solidified, I was going authority and power 00:33:43.559 --> 00:33:47.549 was... When I was able to put, when it comes 00:33:47.549 --> 00:33:51.630 to authority, the word is he has the right. And 00:33:51.630 --> 00:33:54.950 where that clicked for me is I see so many people 00:33:54.950 --> 00:33:57.529 that don't honor Jesus with the rights of their 00:33:57.529 --> 00:34:01.569 lives. So it became this very, yes, he is the 00:34:01.569 --> 00:34:03.990 cosmic warrior who has all authority and power, 00:34:04.210 --> 00:34:09.389 right? And within that story, it's so clear that 00:34:09.389 --> 00:34:13.250 it's over demons. So now we're into the battle 00:34:13.250 --> 00:34:18.119 of darkness, evil. Right. So now to say he has 00:34:18.119 --> 00:34:20.500 the right over that, then he also has the right 00:34:20.500 --> 00:34:23.280 into my life over that. Right. And then the idea 00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:26.539 of power when the word ability, right, like that 00:34:26.539 --> 00:34:29.940 he is able. Right. So he can look at a demon 00:34:29.940 --> 00:34:32.519 and go, come out. Well, that's because he has 00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:35.159 the power. Right. And so that you use the words, 00:34:35.300 --> 00:34:39.400 but where he says, I'm going to butcher it now. 00:34:40.039 --> 00:34:42.300 Is it the get out? Is that the first one? Yeah. 00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:45.300 That's authority speaking. Right. Yeah. But the 00:34:45.300 --> 00:34:48.719 next one is. It's be quiet and then get out. 00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:50.780 Be quiet. Be quiet is the authority one. And 00:34:50.780 --> 00:34:54.320 the other one is the power to do so. Right. The 00:34:54.320 --> 00:34:56.539 power to call out. Yeah. And so for me, it just 00:34:56.539 --> 00:35:00.019 made sense that, man, this is if I pull it down 00:35:00.019 --> 00:35:02.980 to the streets of our life, this is it. Right. 00:35:03.019 --> 00:35:05.780 Like I will give Jesus the right to certain areas 00:35:05.780 --> 00:35:08.840 of my life. So my salvation. Yeah. You can have 00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:10.320 all the right you want there because I want to 00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:13.679 go. I want a relationship with you. I want to 00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:16.840 go to heaven someday. Whatever that is, whatever 00:35:16.840 --> 00:35:20.000 your line of thinking is with that, we'll do 00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:24.500 that easily. But will I let him into the conversation 00:35:24.500 --> 00:35:30.179 with my kid that night? This is a true story 00:35:30.179 --> 00:35:36.119 for me. Got home. All you guys were there. Sierra 00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:38.320 and Jake hadn't left yet. Say goodbye to them. 00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:42.650 We hung out a little bit. You guys left. We hunkered 00:35:42.650 --> 00:35:45.630 down and fell asleep for a minute. And then, 00:35:45.630 --> 00:35:54.289 like my 13 -year -old, I had a choice. Am I going 00:35:54.289 --> 00:35:57.869 to get up and do something with her or not? Well, 00:35:58.050 --> 00:36:01.130 I know from Jesus' perspective what the answer 00:36:01.130 --> 00:36:03.840 is. Right. And so does he have the right to speak 00:36:03.840 --> 00:36:06.159 when I'm tired? Right. Right. Like this is actually 00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:08.300 a conversation I had with him in my head, you 00:36:08.300 --> 00:36:11.119 know, in the Holy spirit, like, okay, you have 00:36:11.119 --> 00:36:13.840 that right. Then I'm going to follow where you're 00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:16.340 leading. Yeah. And I think that's the challenge 00:36:16.340 --> 00:36:20.460 is what are those areas in my life that are natural 00:36:20.460 --> 00:36:22.320 for Jesus to be a part of? So the big things 00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:25.780 we do. Yes. Right. But when it comes to the, 00:36:25.820 --> 00:36:28.579 Hey, your response, does Jesus have the right 00:36:28.579 --> 00:36:31.440 to tell you your responses off? Yeah. Does Jesus 00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:33.440 have the right to tell you your tone was bad? 00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:36.300 Yeah. Does Jesus have the, you know, and, and, 00:36:36.500 --> 00:36:39.440 and I, I loved, so Beth produced our services 00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:43.159 this weekend at Prescott. And I love that she 00:36:43.159 --> 00:36:46.000 took me from the first service and she goes, 00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:48.099 Hey, could you do an, could you make it more 00:36:48.099 --> 00:36:51.340 invitational? Because I did what I just did with 00:36:51.340 --> 00:36:53.139 you going, Hey, does he have the right? Right. 00:36:53.179 --> 00:36:56.460 The answer is yes. Right. She said, can you ask 00:36:56.460 --> 00:36:59.619 people, are you allowing him? to speak into your 00:36:59.619 --> 00:37:03.199 thought life? Wow, that's a, you know, all of 00:37:03.199 --> 00:37:05.400 a sudden it's a different wrestling that I have 00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:09.340 to do. Am I allowing him to be in the tone of 00:37:09.340 --> 00:37:14.300 my words? Am I allowing him into the tiredness? 00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:17.420 Yeah. And allowing him to speak like he has authority, 00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:22.519 right? So yeah, so that's kind of. How it all 00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:25.039 came to be on my side. One, I think too, what 00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:27.219 you're emphasizing as well with even Jesus as 00:37:27.219 --> 00:37:30.420 the cosmic warrior is even in the small things, 00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:33.420 there is ground to be taken and battles to be 00:37:33.420 --> 00:37:37.019 won. It's not just the big end of Braveheart 00:37:37.019 --> 00:37:39.400 moment in the battle. Like William Wallace isn't 00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:42.219 who he is unless he is choosing in the small 00:37:42.219 --> 00:37:46.260 things to be that warrior. And everything that 00:37:46.260 --> 00:37:50.239 entails. So even Jesus, seeing like Peter's mother 00:37:50.239 --> 00:37:52.360 -in -law. Right. Like that's an intimate setting. 00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:55.320 Right. And Jesus in the small things like that. 00:37:55.420 --> 00:37:58.179 Right. Is consistent across how he acts. And 00:37:58.179 --> 00:38:01.420 that, what an image of a warrior. Yeah. And I 00:38:01.420 --> 00:38:03.679 think, I think that's, that was the full circle 00:38:03.679 --> 00:38:05.900 for me this weekend is like, if you go to the 00:38:05.900 --> 00:38:08.360 world cosmos, right. Or the word cosmos and its 00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:12.260 world, then we each have a world. We each have 00:38:12.260 --> 00:38:15.000 ourselves in this interior world. Right. This, 00:38:15.099 --> 00:38:17.300 this life, if you want to call your life a world. 00:38:17.340 --> 00:38:21.679 Right. Like. And that the cosmic warrior is in 00:38:21.679 --> 00:38:26.099 the cosmos of me. Yep. Right? And that's where 00:38:26.099 --> 00:38:29.539 it gets down to, like you're saying, the consistency 00:38:29.539 --> 00:38:32.500 into the smallest while also at the largest. 00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:36.280 Right. Like while this epic battle's taking place 00:38:36.280 --> 00:38:39.739 in the heavens, it's also taking place in my 00:38:39.739 --> 00:38:43.380 soul. Right. And that's the piece that, like 00:38:43.380 --> 00:38:45.579 for me, kind of went full circle to go, oh, this. 00:38:46.360 --> 00:38:49.940 This is something that people need. Yeah. I need. 00:38:50.099 --> 00:38:53.739 Right. So. It's really good. I know it was impactful. 00:38:54.179 --> 00:38:56.480 I hope so. Yeah. I mean, we'll have no doubt. 00:38:57.260 --> 00:39:02.639 It's impactful on me. Yeah. No doubt. Beard, 00:39:02.659 --> 00:39:09.400 how are we doing on time? 39. Wow. Woo. I'm trying 00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:15.889 to decide of what. Where do you want to go? There's 00:39:15.889 --> 00:39:18.130 so many places we could. I mean, you have the 00:39:18.130 --> 00:39:22.030 ability. I know this is. You hold the power of 00:39:22.030 --> 00:39:24.150 the sea. We are walking this out right now. And 00:39:24.150 --> 00:39:27.110 you have the right because clearly the bald eagle 00:39:27.110 --> 00:39:31.190 is not. Yes. The eagle has flown. Todd, I need 00:39:31.190 --> 00:39:33.789 some assistance, please. Just give me a ring. 00:39:34.409 --> 00:39:40.369 I think. Here, let's do this. It's pretty easy 00:39:40.369 --> 00:39:43.070 for us when we start talking about the cosmic 00:39:43.070 --> 00:39:48.309 battle to start. um, really moving into the, 00:39:48.510 --> 00:39:53.869 um, how do I want to put this? Uh, maybe the 00:39:53.869 --> 00:39:57.110 sensational, right? Like we really like to focus. 00:39:57.190 --> 00:40:01.130 I'll give you an example. Um, one of my PhD seminars 00:40:01.130 --> 00:40:04.590 was on, uh, Justin Martyr, who was an early church 00:40:04.590 --> 00:40:06.449 father. That's a sentence I've never said in 00:40:06.449 --> 00:40:09.010 my life. That's right. So he's an early church 00:40:09.010 --> 00:40:12.409 father. Uh, he's pretty significant for, um, 00:40:13.070 --> 00:40:14.869 Arguing for the truthfulness of Christianity. 00:40:16.150 --> 00:40:18.969 One of the things that's significant about him 00:40:18.969 --> 00:40:21.190 is he gets into some of this cosmic battle stuff. 00:40:21.349 --> 00:40:28.409 And he will talk about the demons and their oppression, 00:40:28.710 --> 00:40:35.769 perhaps. It's like three chapters out of a lot 00:40:35.769 --> 00:40:39.230 of chapters of his written work. And my cohort, 00:40:39.409 --> 00:40:42.980 there's about eight people in it. Five. it was 00:40:42.980 --> 00:40:44.860 either four or five of the people decided to 00:40:44.860 --> 00:40:46.920 write on that specific, those three chapters. 00:40:48.139 --> 00:40:52.099 Brilliant papers. Amazing. A small piece of what 00:40:52.099 --> 00:40:56.099 Justin is arguing. I say all that. And when we 00:40:56.099 --> 00:40:57.840 start talking about the cosmic battle, we often 00:40:57.840 --> 00:41:01.340 move to the battle itself and lose sight of what 00:41:01.340 --> 00:41:03.639 Jesus is doing and who Jesus is in that moment. 00:41:04.360 --> 00:41:07.599 When we start talking about cosmic battles, what 00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:12.559 should we be focusing on? I say that because 00:41:12.559 --> 00:41:16.019 I feel like in our culture, we are informed in 00:41:16.019 --> 00:41:20.099 our spiritual battle more by the conjuring than 00:41:20.099 --> 00:41:23.619 by scripture. Yeah. Right. So what are some, 00:41:23.619 --> 00:41:26.400 what are some helpful words as we talk about 00:41:26.400 --> 00:41:28.460 the cosmic battle that's happening, but also 00:41:28.460 --> 00:41:30.739 keep it focused on what is really important in 00:41:30.739 --> 00:41:36.639 that moment? Yeah. Great question. I think, I 00:41:36.639 --> 00:41:38.239 think there's a couple of things come to mind. 00:41:38.260 --> 00:41:43.599 One is. I think there's an obsession at the moment, 00:41:43.639 --> 00:41:46.699 and I think it's because of how good movies have 00:41:46.699 --> 00:41:53.760 become. I mean, let's be clear. Let's put it 00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:56.800 this way. I will always be drawn to darkness. 00:41:56.980 --> 00:42:01.219 Yeah. Right? There's a piece of me that is broken, 00:42:01.300 --> 00:42:05.980 and without the Holy Spirit's guidance, so without 00:42:05.980 --> 00:42:08.880 giving the Holy Spirit the right. Yep. to speak 00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:12.659 into it and call out what is dark, I am naturally 00:42:12.659 --> 00:42:15.980 going to drift towards darkness. Yeah. So when 00:42:15.980 --> 00:42:18.519 people that don't know Jesus are making these 00:42:18.519 --> 00:42:24.940 movies that are trying to explain the battles 00:42:24.940 --> 00:42:27.940 of demons or how demons work or how angels work 00:42:27.940 --> 00:42:31.820 or how this unseen battle that Ephesians talks 00:42:31.820 --> 00:42:35.260 about, right? Like we wrestle not against flesh 00:42:35.260 --> 00:42:38.019 and blood, right? So we know it's real. Right. 00:42:38.429 --> 00:42:40.949 But we can naturally obsess. I mean, if you go 00:42:40.949 --> 00:42:44.309 back in church, this isn't church history. This 00:42:44.309 --> 00:42:48.909 is like my lifetime. So, I mean, books that were 00:42:48.909 --> 00:42:52.969 being written when I was a teenager that everybody 00:42:52.969 --> 00:42:55.449 was like, you got to read this book. It was just 00:42:55.449 --> 00:42:58.570 fiction, right? Like there was trying to grab 00:42:58.570 --> 00:43:01.619 pieces of truth. And so it's no different than 00:43:01.619 --> 00:43:04.380 a movie today, right? Like they've taken something, 00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:06.719 the battle of good and evil, right? Which is 00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:11.420 very real, very true. And so now you create this 00:43:11.420 --> 00:43:14.820 market for it and you create this, it's this 00:43:14.820 --> 00:43:17.820 enticing and this drawing and this, and if we're 00:43:17.820 --> 00:43:20.500 not careful, that comes into the church. We have 00:43:20.500 --> 00:43:25.139 this draw towards, ooh, let me understand that. 00:43:25.840 --> 00:43:28.539 So instead of understanding Jesus and leaning 00:43:28.539 --> 00:43:30.659 more into who Jesus is, I want to know how to 00:43:30.659 --> 00:43:35.099 cast out demons. First of all, if you've ever 00:43:35.099 --> 00:43:37.159 been face -to -face with a demon, it's not fun. 00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:39.880 It's not somewhere you want to be. It's not somewhere 00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:43.980 you're like, ooh, let's learn about that. And 00:43:43.980 --> 00:43:48.340 so I think there's a piece of it where because 00:43:48.340 --> 00:43:50.639 we're naturally drawn to darkness, there's that 00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:58.920 movement towards. But then I also think, How 00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:03.960 do I say this nicely? We get bored. We live in 00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:07.880 an information overload time. Yes. And what I 00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:10.519 can't explain is some of the unseen spiritual 00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:14.559 forces. Yeah. And so to focus on Jesus where 00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:19.559 I've already read that story. Right. But I don't 00:44:19.559 --> 00:44:21.679 understand what was this demon possession, right? 00:44:21.820 --> 00:44:24.579 Right. And then, so you've got that camp that 00:44:24.579 --> 00:44:28.159 has, but then there's another camp I would say, 00:44:28.260 --> 00:44:30.019 and this is probably where trying to explain 00:44:30.019 --> 00:44:33.460 my story this weekend and trying to explain what 00:44:33.460 --> 00:44:36.400 I, when I look back at my teens, there was an 00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:39.880 oppression on me. Right. And I don't blame, like 00:44:39.880 --> 00:44:41.980 seeing what God has done with my life. Yeah. 00:44:42.059 --> 00:44:44.099 I don't blame the enemy. Right. I understand 00:44:44.099 --> 00:44:48.320 now why he came so hard in those years. Yeah. 00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:53.389 And my mom's prayers. Literally, my mom on her 00:44:53.389 --> 00:44:57.170 knees is why the enemy hasn't won. It wasn't 00:44:57.170 --> 00:44:59.989 anything I did. I didn't even know I needed help. 00:45:00.110 --> 00:45:03.650 I thought I knew everything. It was great. So 00:45:03.650 --> 00:45:06.130 I think there's that piece of it, right, where 00:45:06.130 --> 00:45:10.389 oppression is real, and there are believers who 00:45:10.389 --> 00:45:14.190 Jesus has died to set free, and they don't even 00:45:14.190 --> 00:45:16.409 realize they're in oppression. And that's what 00:45:16.409 --> 00:45:20.460 the conversation is for. The problem is there's 00:45:20.460 --> 00:45:23.719 this whole other group of people that want to 00:45:23.719 --> 00:45:28.300 jump on and now, well, let's focus on that. That's 00:45:28.300 --> 00:45:30.420 not the point. The point is Jesus cast out the 00:45:30.420 --> 00:45:32.239 demon because he has the authority and the power. 00:45:32.380 --> 00:45:35.039 Yeah. So let's get our eyes on Jesus because 00:45:35.039 --> 00:45:37.039 he's the one that can set me free from my oppression. 00:45:37.300 --> 00:45:40.840 Yeah. Let's not do a deep dive on what is a demon? 00:45:41.199 --> 00:45:43.719 What are the names of the demons? And what are 00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:45.599 the powers and capabilities of demons? Where 00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:48.340 did they come from? And why do they like be? 00:45:48.900 --> 00:45:52.199 That's all PhD good. Yeah. I mean, it's speculation. 00:45:52.219 --> 00:45:55.760 But on a Sunday morning at a church, like I just 00:45:55.760 --> 00:45:58.880 need the guy in the front row or the middle row 00:45:58.880 --> 00:46:01.079 or the back row, wherever he happens to be sitting, 00:46:01.099 --> 00:46:04.239 who has an addiction problem and his life is 00:46:04.239 --> 00:46:07.000 being ruined by it to go, wait a minute, there's 00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:09.400 something more going on. Yeah. And I need to 00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:11.500 be set free from the oppression of the enemy 00:46:11.500 --> 00:46:14.000 of God. Well, how do I do that? Well, it's the 00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:16.849 power and the authority of Jesus. Oh, I need 00:46:16.849 --> 00:46:19.389 Jesus then. Yeah. That matters way more. Yeah. 00:46:19.449 --> 00:46:21.769 Right? Yeah. No, I think that's really helpful 00:46:21.769 --> 00:46:24.329 for our people because it does seem like we're 00:46:24.329 --> 00:46:28.489 always in a constant course correction of we've 00:46:28.489 --> 00:46:32.150 overemphasized this. Like, for example, with 00:46:32.150 --> 00:46:35.489 the rise of secularism, early 20th century, end 00:46:35.489 --> 00:46:39.010 of 19th century, like there is a denial of a 00:46:39.010 --> 00:46:41.710 spiritual aspect to life completely and totally. 00:46:41.809 --> 00:46:43.690 What you have is completely in front of you. 00:46:43.730 --> 00:46:47.119 It's materialism. And that runs rampant to the 00:46:47.119 --> 00:46:48.980 point where the church is wrestling with that 00:46:48.980 --> 00:46:51.199 and trying to figure out how do you speak into 00:46:51.199 --> 00:46:54.980 conversations where there is no open door for 00:46:54.980 --> 00:46:58.619 spiritual things. Now we're in a situation, I 00:46:58.619 --> 00:47:02.699 think, where we have culture at large has overcorrected 00:47:02.699 --> 00:47:06.880 to, like, for example, the young adult who maybe 00:47:06.880 --> 00:47:09.500 hasn't experienced Jesus yet, but they're like, 00:47:09.619 --> 00:47:11.780 I'm open, I'm spiritual. That's kind of the new 00:47:11.780 --> 00:47:15.230 thing to say. Um, we're so open to this spiritual 00:47:15.230 --> 00:47:19.010 realm that we lose our tethering in the concrete 00:47:19.010 --> 00:47:22.030 here and now. Yeah. Right. And so there is this 00:47:22.030 --> 00:47:24.730 like almost need to bring us back to the center, 00:47:24.789 --> 00:47:28.690 which obviously is Jesus. Yeah. Um, and how that 00:47:28.690 --> 00:47:30.829 actually plays out in our lives. So we don't 00:47:30.829 --> 00:47:34.030 overemphasize the things that really don't matter. 00:47:34.130 --> 00:47:37.789 That really are speculation. Um, no, I think 00:47:37.789 --> 00:47:39.750 that's really helpful. Yeah. And I, I think, 00:47:39.750 --> 00:47:42.969 I think with that, right. Like, trusting the 00:47:42.969 --> 00:47:45.489 holy spirit enough to show me what is dark yes 00:47:45.489 --> 00:47:48.349 right like yes he's he's light yes therefore 00:47:48.349 --> 00:47:52.210 he is going to expose yeah right and so because 00:47:52.210 --> 00:47:55.449 i think that the other side or the the piece 00:47:55.449 --> 00:48:00.210 of that that you're talking about too is um be 00:48:00.210 --> 00:48:03.670 and it's a beautiful awakening yes but it's also 00:48:03.670 --> 00:48:06.230 very dangerous yes because all of a sudden i 00:48:06.230 --> 00:48:08.789 realize oh wait i'm a spiritual being and all 00:48:08.789 --> 00:48:12.159 of life is spiritual yeah Well, now I'm open 00:48:12.159 --> 00:48:14.099 to spiritual things. Well, not all spiritual 00:48:14.099 --> 00:48:18.179 things are equal. And the enemy is very, very 00:48:18.179 --> 00:48:20.900 good at, and that's where the Holy Spirit to 00:48:20.900 --> 00:48:24.500 me has to be the guide into what you are walking 00:48:24.500 --> 00:48:27.340 into. And you have to weigh according to the 00:48:27.340 --> 00:48:30.300 Holy Spirit. Yeah. Because the enemy will masquerade. 00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:35.199 Yeah. It's really good. It's really good. Man, 00:48:36.139 --> 00:48:44.150 beard. You're nodding like, wrap it up. Ooh, 00:48:44.309 --> 00:48:50.510 pretty close. What's the record? Oh boy. Because 00:48:50.510 --> 00:48:53.570 we could do it. Just kidding. I won't put everybody 00:48:53.570 --> 00:48:58.710 through that. Man, any final thoughts? I don't 00:48:58.710 --> 00:49:01.190 know how to put a bow on where we've gone today. 00:49:01.369 --> 00:49:05.769 I will be honest with you. I am grasping at straws. 00:49:06.429 --> 00:49:08.789 Grasping at straws for a final thought. Yeah, 00:49:08.809 --> 00:49:11.969 and confusing metaphors at the same time. So, 00:49:12.230 --> 00:49:16.389 I don't know. You want to wrap this up somehow? 00:49:16.670 --> 00:49:20.210 Put a bow on it? Sure. Grab the straws? I would 00:49:20.210 --> 00:49:28.929 say that... Sorry. I would say... Okay, if we 00:49:28.929 --> 00:49:32.769 go to marriage and we go to shifting seasons 00:49:32.769 --> 00:49:36.329 of life. Yeah. How in the next season of life 00:49:36.329 --> 00:49:39.570 can you give Jesus the authority and power over 00:49:39.570 --> 00:49:42.010 more of your life than you did in the last season? 00:49:42.110 --> 00:49:46.130 Yeah. How do you honor him with speaking in and 00:49:46.130 --> 00:49:49.050 having the right to speak in? And I think that 00:49:49.050 --> 00:49:52.610 goes to whatever season you're in and whatever 00:49:52.610 --> 00:49:55.590 you're moving towards. How do I continue to move 00:49:55.590 --> 00:49:59.550 towards the cosmic warrior winning the cosmos 00:49:59.550 --> 00:50:02.349 in me? Yeah. And calming the cosmos in me. Yeah. 00:50:02.510 --> 00:50:05.000 Yeah, that's really good. And I'm not going to 00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:09.699 attempt to continue it. So if you have made it 00:50:09.699 --> 00:50:11.800 this far, welcome. You are part of the end of 00:50:11.800 --> 00:50:17.900 the podcast club. Some ham horns going wild. 00:50:17.920 --> 00:50:21.159 Wild for you. Wild for you. We would love it 00:50:21.159 --> 00:50:23.900 if you would subscribe that you would. What was 00:50:23.900 --> 00:50:28.199 the horn in the World Cup? Vuvuzela. Yes. South 00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:32.159 Africa, right? That was South Africa. I think 00:50:32.159 --> 00:50:34.380 that's all you heard for 90 minutes. We need 00:50:34.380 --> 00:50:36.480 to bring it back. I know they got banned. I don't 00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:40.519 know if we do. 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