Good morning, church. Good morning to those of
you on our online family today. Those of you
that are also in Pauldun and Baghdad today, we
are so grateful that we get to do this as a community.
Welcome to those of you in the room. We're excited
for what God's doing today. So some of you have
been like, OK, so what's really happening? Where?
What? When? You're going to find out by service
kind of what is happening. what's happening today
with me being live in Prescott Valley and what
that looks like is that we just want them to
know they're one of our five gatherings, and
we want them to know that we love them and we
see them, that they are a part of this, that
they are a part of the whole, that just because
they're in a different space and often through
a different media, We're still together and we're
still walking alongside each other. So that's
what's happening today. However you're seeing
this, whether it's in person, through a screen,
whatever it happens to be, just know that we
love you and welcome and we're glad you're here.
I had a conversation this week with a gentleman
who's been mentoring me for a while. And as we
were having this conversation, I get to kind
of ask him things. He's led for a much longer
time. than I have. He's much smarter than I am.
He understands and has been through different
things and all of that. And so I was just asking
him, how do you, we're seeing something within
our church that I've been around the church long
enough to go, this is not normal. And what I
mean is we are seeing the Holy Spirit move in
ways that you can only attribute to the hand
of the Holy Spirit. From people being drawn in
a salvation way, like desperation way, a hunger
way to, I need to meet this Jesus, right? To
attendance in youth. If you were to go to our
youth on a Wednesday night or Thursday night
in Prescott Valley, you would discover that God
is up to something within our youth. There is
a stirring happening and it is very, very evident.
If you were to go to our young adults on a Tuesday
night, you would understand that there is a stirring
that is happening within our young adults. If
you attend our services on a weekend, you can
sense the Holy Spirit is moving and working.
If you were to hang around and listen to some
of the answered prayers, you would go, that's
not normal that you prayed and got answered like
that. Right? Like we wish it was like that all
the time, but for whatever reason, there is a
fresh pouring of the Spirit that is happening.
That people are being healed. That people are
coming into a relationship with Jesus in ways
that are not common. That there's no strategies
being done to try and build, but the Lord is
building something. And so I'm sharing all this
with him and I go, hey Larry, how do we steward
this as a family and steward it well and not...
Choke what the Holy Spirit's doing, but actually
help it to erupt and continue and usher in. And
he got this smile on his face as I was talking.
And I'm like, what are you laughing about? And
he goes, well, I have something called the Eagle's
Nest. It's a bunch of pastors from around the
country. And then I personally mentored like
35 pastors. And they're from all over the country.
And he goes, what you just said. He said, there
are things that are unique to your community,
but that is happening all over the country. And
I think it's important to pause and recognize
that God is on the move. The Holy Spirit is working
in ways that across the board, people are going,
God is up to something. In our midst. And we
need to not miss that. I understand that this,
actually for our community, it's been two weeks.
We've had tragedy. 32 -year -old Cameron Mangarelli
passed away in an accident. If you're connected
to the Mangarelli family, extremely, extremely
difficult. Leaves behind a young family. was
a man that loved the Lord. And that was in our
community roughly two weeks ago. And then you
have the events of this week with Charlie Kirk,
another young man who loves Jesus and has had
an amazing platform to be used. And an assassination,
right? that was murdered in a public space, that
does something to you. That stirs something.
We should just be really clear, murder is evil.
Okay, let's just put it where it belongs. It's
the opposite of what God wants. And so we can
stand pretty strongly and go, murder is evil.
To see then a fellow believer murdered in a public
square in such a way. It brings with it emotions.
It brings with it, and we've got to be careful
that we let God lead and our faith lead and not
our emotions lead. That you follow what's happened
over the last week's Colorado shootings in schools.
You go to a subway and a senseless killing. And
you don't have to go very far to begin to become
unsettled, to begin to become distracted, if
you like. I want to, if you'll let me, I want
to walk through something because I think it's
important to catch when the Holy Spirit is moving
in our midst, to catch that. And last week, it
could not have been clearer that God had changed
my message leading into the weekend. And I want
to just put up on screen, if we could just put
up real quick, the list. So this was walking
through the story of Exodus. This is what we
declare God is from what we saw. That he is our
lifeblood. That he is the holder of our very
breath of life. That he gave the breath of life.
That he is the creator of humans. That he is
in control of this life and the afterlife. That
he is our economic provision. That he's our healing
and protection. That he's in control of nature.
He's our food source. That he controls the light
and the darkness. That he controls both. That
we have been rescued might not be the right word.
I heard a better way to say that what he was
doing with the people in Exodus is he was leading
a deliverance and that deliverance came by knockout.
Why is this important? Because moments when,
like we've been through in the last week, it
can be really easy to become shaken. It can become
really easy for emotions to overwhelm. But that
God that we talked about last week that we saw
in Exodus, the reason he wanted us to know him
is for moments like this. That you would know
that in the midst of someone's life being taken,
Jesus was his lifeblood. And that changes all
of eternity. for Charlie. Yes, while the appropriate
response is grief, we can also celebrate because
we know the God who saves. When you look at this
and you go, okay, the idea of the very breath
of life that only God can give it and only God
can take it, these are moments where you have
to choose to believe that. Or else you walk away
going, somebody with a gun actually has control.
He doesn't have control. Why? Because my God
controls life and afterlife. That's who he is.
And don't miss what God is doing. God has already
prepared us for this moment. Because he's given
us such a clear picture of who he is. That he
controls the light. and the darkness. And so
I recognize you guys, like I get it. My emotions
have been all over the place this week. I probably
had the full spectrum of the range, whatever
that is. And yet I know for you, you walk in
here and you may be grieving. This may be connected
to you in ways that you just need to grieve,
and I just need you to know that's okay. That
you may be hurt, and that's okay. That you may
feel some sense of anger, some sense of fear,
some sense of lack of control. Some sense of
spinning. And I just want to encourage you that
what we're going to do is we're going to take
it to God in prayer. One of the things that we've
been kind of moving in over the last months is
that when we gather like this, this is not about
some show. This is not about something to critique.
The hope of this is that you actually interact
with God for yourself. That if you attend one
of our gatherings in any location, that what
you walk away with is you get a sense of God
met with me today and the Holy Spirit did some
work. That's the hope. That your relationship
with Jesus is changing your life. And so here's
what we're going to do. We're just going to stop
and we're going to pray. And normally it would
be whoever's up here is going to pray over you.
I'm not going to pray. I'll pray to close so
that you know we're done and moving on. But this
is a moment for you to be real and honest and
authentic before God. This is a moment for you
to talk to God for yourself. That if your grief
is over a young family, a mom, and young kiddos,
and you see that and what's left behind and your
heart is broken, tell God that. If it's over
the anger, if it's over the emotion of what was
lost, if it's whatever it happens to be, this
is your moment to sit with Almighty God. We just
sang about, right? Like, this is our God. This
is your moment to go, God, I give this to you.
I need you to work inside of this. I need you
to take away whatever negative is here. I need
this to not become a negative to my faith. I
need you to meet me in my emotions. And he will.
The Holy Spirit is called a comforter and an
advocate. He's called a guide. And so here's
what we're going to do. We're just going to go
silent. Now, if you're here and you go, John,
I'm new to church. I came to church because of
this. And you're like, I don't know how to pray.
I don't know. I just want to encourage you, just
observe a moment of silence and see what God
does. But for those of you that want to pray,
these moments are yours. I'll pray to close this
out. God, we are so thankful today that you are
our God and we are not, that we get to rest in
who you are. God, we are grateful today that
you are not moved, you are not stirred. God,
you are not somehow in a loss of control, but
you're as sovereign today as you were yesterday.
That we declared you in song to be king. You
are king today and we surrender to you. God,
we ask that in moments that we are going through
as a nation, as individuals, as a community,
God, we ask that you would continue to show us
how you control the light and the darkness. God,
that you would show us that you are the God who
holds this life and the afterlife. then whom
shall we fear? And so, God, we place all of these
prayers in your hands as they have risen up to
your ears, God. We are grateful that you are
a God that meets us, that hears us, that walks
with us in the midst of this messy, messy life.
And so we say thank you. Thank you for Jesus.
Thank you for delivering us from death. Thank
you for Jesus and the way that you save us. We
are grateful people and everybody said, amen,
amen. I love the nature of the Holy Spirit working.
Because here's what often can happen, right?
Like we get into a space like this, we get into
a week like this, and it can become easy to make
it about an agenda. It can become easy to make
it about what we want to see happen. But I actually
love that God just loves it when we're honest.
God just loves it when we're like, here's where
I am right now today. And that's where the Holy
Spirit goes to work. I love that in the story
of scripture, in the story of what God has left
us to know him and understand him, it's stories
of real people that he walked alongside, that
he journeyed alongside, and that had real problems
at real times, that had real emotions, that were
human like us. Have you ever been walking with
God or known somebody that walks with God and
in the midst of it you go, why is God leading
them or me down the long road? You ever feel
that? Like this way is way harder. God, why are
you doing this? Where are you leading us? And
again, I find it fascinating and actually have
a deep sense of comfort from when we go to the
Bible, there are people in a similar spot. If
you have been with us, you know we're in the
story of Exodus, but I don't think it's by chance
that we're talking today about God leading people
and walking them out, and specifically God goes,
hey, I'm doing this in a way that you might not
think. And so within that, Exodus chapter 12
and verse 31. So where we're at within the story
is God has come and he's come to deliver his
people from oppression and slavery, right? He's
come to set his people free. And within that,
he goes, okay, if you were here last week, there
was 10 rounds where he went toe to toe with the
Egyptian gods. And then he knocks them all out.
He gets to the last one and he goes, hey, there's
going to be death among the firstborn. Hey, Israel,
if you will trust me and you'll obey me, here's
what you'll do. You'll take blood of a lamb,
a specific lamb, and you'll put it on your doorpost.
And if I see the blood on your house, I'll pass
over. But any house I don't find it, the firstborn
is going to die. The firstborn son. And so the
Egyptians, there's loud wailing. The Israelites,
they recognize the rescue that's happened of
their family. And so now in verse 31, you get
during the night, Pharaoh summoned Moses and
Aaron and said, up, leave my people, you and
the Israelites, go worship the Lord as you have
requested. Take your flocks and your herds as
you have said and go and also bless me. The Egyptians
urged the people to leave the country, for otherwise,
they said, we will all die. So the people took
their dough before the yeast was added and carried
it on the shoulders and kneading troughs wrapped
in clothing. The Israelites did as Moses instructed
and asked the Egyptians for articles of silver
and gold and for clothing. The Lord made the
Egyptians favorably disposed towards the people
and gave them whatever they asked for. So they
plundered the Egyptians. OK, so so now Pharaoh
comes, he goes, hey, you got to go. But I want
you to catch. They were blessed by the Egyptians.
So God delivers them, but also blesses them by
he gives them all of this silver, all of this
clothing, all of this gold. And they they now
whatever they ask for, they they head out. Verse
37, the Israelites journeyed from Ramses to Sukkoth.
There were about 600 ,000 men on foot besides
women and children. Many other people went up
with them and also large droves of livestock,
both flocks and herds. With the dough the Israelites
had brought from Egypt, they baked loaves of
unleavened bread, the dough without yeast because
they had been driven out of Egypt and did not
have time to prepare food for themselves. Now,
verse 40, now the length of time the Israelites...
people lived in Egypt was 430 years. At the end
of the 430 years to the very day, all the Lord's
divisions left Egypt. Okay, context is important
for understanding the next part of the story.
So you have God come and he rescues them, he
delivers them, and now they are given a whole
bunch of stuff. And so you've just got this large,
we don't need to get into figuring out how many
and all of that this weekend. Like there's just
a large gathering of people. And roughly they
go to this area called Sukkoth. Now, what's important
about that is they lived in Goshen. That was
the territory they were in as slaves. Guess where
Sukkoth is? In Goshen. So why does that matter?
Because God literally, walks them to the edge
of the area they've been living in the whole
time. It's roughly about 35 kilometers, which
to give you a bearing of how far that is, it's
roughly from here to Cordes Junction, right?
And that's how far they travel on this first
leg of the journey. Now, if you were to do it
alone, they claim that if you walk like my wife,
you could do it in eight hours. If you walk like
me, it's going to take you a little longer. But
it's a day journey, maybe. For them, with this
many people, it's believed that it would at least
have been two to three days traveling day and
night. Now, I'm not real good at military, figuring
out the best strategies and whatever, but if
you have the strongest empire that has ever been
known in that time with the most technologically
advanced weapons at their disposal, And you are
running away, running to your territory for two
to three days. And let's be honest, let's just
humanize this story. Normally, if you got little
kids and you're on this journey, those little
kids ain't walking, you're carrying them. And
you're also carrying all of the stuff that you
got. This is not an easy journey. And wait a
minute, God, you let us where? To the edge of
our own region? That seems like real reachable
distance for the army that has the most weaponry
that we see. If you turn over a page, or at least
I have to turn over a page, chapter 13, verse
17 says this, when Pharaoh let the people go,
God did not, listen to this, God did not lead
them on the road through the Philistine country,
though it was, Shorter. Okay. Anybody ever made
any trip in your life? I hope so. Anybody ever
used Maps, the map app, right? And we can argue
all day, Google or Apple, which one's better
and all that stuff, right? But you take out your
map, and mine gives me the first option. And
there's normally a little tag to it, and it says
fastest. Right. And then it gives me two others.
Does anybody actually look at the others? Like,
is it they even exist? Right. Like you start
to go, OK, if I don't want to go by tolls, I
can turn that off. Right. Like, just make sure
all of that's out. But but here's what's interesting.
You look at it and nine times out of 10, if not
10 out of 10 for me, I am choosing the fastest.
On a journey, the fastest route from here to
there. Like we are just going to get this done.
Minimal stops along the way. All of that good
stuff, right? You're like, I never want a road
trip with you. You don't want a road trip with
me. Let's not do it. But as people, we like to
go fast, right? We don't like to waste our time.
God leads them intentionally on the long. God
intentionally doesn't take them through Philistine.
There was a road that was actually well groomed,
well used, well traveled. It was a coastal road.
Doesn't that sound nice? Like a coastal road
that actually went through the heart of the Philistine
country. Like that road was already there. God's
taking them on a road that is minimal at best.
It's long. It's more difficult. It's not the
route that we would choose. And maybe just today,
where we sit, it's really important to see that
God chose the road. God chose the road. And the
reason it's important to see is because so many
times we want to be in control of the map app.
And we're not. The God that we just displayed
in words on a screen that we learned about through
the battles of last week, that God is in control,
in control of the road your life is on. You may
think you have control, but don't kid yourself.
God has control of the map. What you have is
you have a choice, just like the Israelites,
right? So the Israelites have been delivered.
They are now free people. They've been in slavery
for at least 250 years, if not 430 years, depending
on how you interpret it. And they are now free
people. They have choice. It would have been
really easy to get the leaders of the divisions
together and go, you know what? This idea of
going to Sukkot, this sounds really bad. Let's
go there instead. That road sounds way nicer.
I mean, can you humanize within the story how
many times when God is going, hey, I am leading
you this way. And I'm like, actually, God, that
road looks a lot nicer. Can we just not take
that one? You see, but there's an important part
to freedom. Freedom gives you a choice. It gives
me a choice of who and what I trust. And it gives
me a choice of if I'll obey. I'll be honest with
you, I don't like the word obey. Never have my
whole life. I've gotten aversion to it. But that's
what this comes down to, right? Am I going to
trust God on the road that he has me on? Am I
going to choose to obey him? In Proverbs, we
were in teaching prep this week and Pastor Ben
connected this verse. But in Proverbs 16, 9,
it says, in their hearts, humans plan their course,
but the Lord establishes their steps. In our
hearts, right, we got our plans. We know which
way is faster. We know which way is, but it's
actually the Lord that establishes the steps.
Are you okay with the steps that the Lord is
establishing for you? Maybe in light of just
the weekend that it is, are you okay with the
steps? And where we are as a nation. Are we okay
with that? Because we could end up really quick,
you guys, fighting the wrong battle. That's one
of my biggest concerns, if I'm really, really
honest with you. That's one of my biggest concerns.
We fight the wrong battle in this whole thing.
But Ephesians tells us we don't fight flesh and
blood. Right, like Ephesians tells us that as
followers of Jesus, we're involved in a spiritual
fight. And can we just like bring it down to
our streets instead of living way out trying
to control everything? Can we bring it to our
streets in our neighborhood? Does your neighbor,
does your coworker, does the person you spend
the most time with know and love Jesus? Then
if not, you got work to do. That's the mission
we're on. Eternity is at stake. And we were left
as plan A. And so we have a choice of how we
step into that. That's the road that God has
us on. What is my response to trust and obey
what God has called us to? When he rescued me
in Jesus, what has he called me to? Will I go
do that? Or am I distracted by everything else
around me, right? It carries on in that same
verse. Chapter 13, verse 17. When Pharaoh let
the people go, God did not lead them on the road
through the Philistine country, though that was
shorter. Listen to this. For God said, if they
face war, they might change their minds and return
to Egypt. So God led the people around by the
desert road toward the Red Sea, which was the
longer way to go, and a dead end. The Israelites
went up out of Egypt ready for battle. Did you
catch what just happened? The Israelites, they're
delivered. They go out. They're like, we're ready
to fight. And God knows. God knows what they're
ready for. God knows what they can handle. God
goes, if they go to war, If they face war, they're
going to go, hey, we want to go back to slavery
and oppression. We want to go back to having
taskmasters. Why? Because they at least would
protect us. That wording in here, if they face
war, they might change their mind. Hold on to
that one. You know why? Because that's the big
church word we use, repentance. Do you know there
is a positive repentance and a negative repentance?
Why? Because repentance simply means that I change
my mind that leads in such a way that leads to
a change of action. What was the catalyst for
their change of mind? If they face war, they're
going to give up on what God wants. They're going
to repent of following God and they are going
to go and follow and go back to where it is safe
and go back to the Egyptians and put themselves
under slavery and oppression. Why? Because to
change your mind will lead you to a change of
action. And God knows this. That when you step
out to trust and obey, what's going to happen?
That there are going to be forces that come against
you that are going to what? Want you to change
your mind on what? On who God is. On all the
things we talked about. There's going to be forces
on you that want you to walk away from what God
has for you. Change your mind. That will lead
to a change of action. Can we just like be real?
Quit playing church. I'm tired of church. I'll
be honest with you. What's it going to take for
you to have a negative repentance? What do I
mean? What's going to happen in your world that
you go, I'm done with you, God. I give up on
you. I give up on your road. It's too long. And
don't give me the church shake your head. Oh,
that could never happen to me. I don't believe
it. You know why? Because you're human. Is it
work stress? Can I be real honest? This week
has not been good for me. I've been so stressed,
you guys. If you were in my house, You would
be like, you are so grumpy. And you'd be right.
I've had four out of character reactions that
I've had to go and apologize to those people
for. Some of those being my kids this week. But
you know where the stress is? It's not what's
happening in my home. It's not what's happening
in my life. It's what's happening outside. Charlie
Kirk is assassinated in a public space and the
reaction, the reaction is such that I know that
as a church family, we have to walk through it.
And I'm just going to be real honest with you.
Maybe it's connected to COVID. I don't know.
But I know this weekend, I am not going to say
enough for some people and I will say too much
for others. I just know it. And to try and navigate
with wisdom and shepherd this moment. You know
what's interesting? The word lead in this, where
God leads us in this passage is the same as Psalm
23 that he leads us besides the waters. It's
the leading of a shepherd. And so for me, this
is just real. This week sitting, there are moments,
I could take you back to them, where I have gone,
there has to be an easier way to make a living
than this. Like I've had moments where I've gone,
how far can I get with the tank of gas that I
have away from here? How do I just run away?
How do I just jettison it all? And yet God has
to bring me back and go, John, The road I have
you on is the road I have you on. Will you trust
and obey me? Will you trust me? Even if it's
hard, even if you don't like it, even if it's
not what you planned, even if, will you trust
and obey here? Will you confess? Will you confess?
Will you confess what is wanting to change your
mind, what is wanting to lead you to negative
repentance? What is wanting you to leave? Will
you just confess it? And so for me, it's been
a week of confession. It's being honest. Lord,
I don't want to do this. I want to run away.
I'm tired of this. They're going to be mad. This
person, and you know what the Lord's done? John,
I led you like a shepherd on this road. Trust
and obey me. I wonder what it is for you, right?
Maybe it's the same. Maybe it's work stress and
your choice of how this works and where you're
going to go is you're going to go back to the
same old things you've been at. You're going
to numb your way out of your work stress. I wonder
if it's your marriage relationship. I wonder
if your marriage is at a point where you know
God has you on the long road with your marriage,
but you're at a point where you're like, I'm
ready to just be done with what God wants, and
I'm ready to go over here. I'm ready to trade
in and trade up. The problem is you go too, and
you are the problem. Right? Like, let's just
get real with it. Some of you are in relationships.
That you have no business being in, but if you
were really honest with God, you're like, God,
the road you had me on, I'm lonely. And so you
keep putting yourself into these relationships,
or maybe the same one, and you keep going back
to it. Because you're choosing to not trust and
obey the hard road of loneliness that God has
you on right now. We're not minimizing that.
I'm not minimizing that it's been hard this week.
But will you confess it to him? God, I'm tired
of being lonely. It hurts. Everybody else seems
to have these great relationships around me.
But the last thing that God wants for you is
to go back and put up with a bad relationship
and continue to put yourself in the space that
that is. Some of you, it's unanswered prayer.
God hasn't answered your prayers and you're like,
I'm ready to jettison this thing. God, if you
were God and you were good, then you built the
whole thing. Some of you, it's because one bullet
killed one man and everything is shaking. God
is not shaken, right? But we are shaking. And
so what happens is we begin to feel like things
are out of control and we see both sides of it
and we hear these comments and we're ready to
walk away from where God has you. You just need
to know you need to trust and obey. And you just
need to keep stepping forward and confess. Why?
Why? And I know I'm over time. We're going to
go there anyways. Chapter 14, if you follow it
through and you can read on your own time from
where we were to chapter 14, it talks about,
it kind of gives this impression that the Israelites
began to walk in circles. Verse three. Chapter
14, verse 3 says this. Pharaoh will think. So
when they're walking in circles, Pharaoh will
think the Israelites are wandering around the
land in confusion, hemmed in by the desert. And
I will harden Pharaoh's heart and he will pursue
them. Listen to this, listen to this. But I will
gain glory for myself through Pharaoh and all
his armies. And the Egyptians will know that
I am the Lord. So the Israelites did this. You
just need to know today that if you feel like
you're on the hard road and it's a season of
you just keep pressing in and it feels like you're
going in circles. God, we've been here before.
I swear I've seen that signpost before. And you
feel like you're going to you just need to know
there are there's a purpose to the circles. There
was a purpose to them going in circles in Egypt.
What was that purpose? That God would be more
famous than they are. That God's glory would
be seen and not theirs. That he would be known.
What is the purpose of your life and what you
are going through and where you are walking right
now and the struggles that you have and the road
that is hard? What is the purpose? That God would
be known through you. That you have a holy calling
on this earth. I think one of the most things
that stood out this week is that Charlie chose
to use his voice. But you realize that God's
given you the exact same voice for his kingdom.
That's not unique to him. And you just need to
understand that when you say yes to the hard
road and you trust God and you confess what wants
to pull you aside and you continue on the road,
that he will be glorified through your life.
He'll be seen. He'll be seen. He'll be seen.
And that is the purpose of everything. That God
Almighty would be seen as the king on a throne
that he is. That no matter what happens down
here, we're not shaking because we know that
God doesn't shake. And we stand in confidence.
But in the moment, it's difficult. It's difficult.
And so church, don't you quit. You continue to
trust. And you continue to obey. When you feel
like jettisoning, when you feel like, man, I
got to get, you confess it to God. Why? Because
the Holy Spirit is present just as he is here
in your every moment of every day. And he wants
to walk. When you feel scared, he wants to walk
and you give it to him. I feel scared and I want
to run. And watch him empower you to stay. Why?
Because he's a God worth putting on display.
Would you pray with me? God, we are so humbled
by your goodness. We're so humbled by who you
are. We're so thankful that you meet us here.
We're so thankful that we can, God, bring to
you even the most confusing moments of life,
the hardest moments, the parts that make us want
to leave, the parts that make us want to move.
God, you are inside of those and you are working.
And so we trust your working today. We trust
what you are doing today. God, as we declare
with our voice that you're a way maker, that
means that when things seem like it's just darkness
or things seem so confused that you are the one
or impossible, God, you are the one. That our
faith is in to do the impossible. That you are
the one who makes a way when there is no way.
You are the miracle worker. You break chains.
Would you break chains today? Would you set us
free? Would you keep us free even on the road
that is hard and long? And so God, we again say
thank you for Jesus who changes everything. Thank
you for dying for us. Thank you for paying the
penalty of our sin. And thank you for rescuing
us. Thank you for loving us first. And everybody
said, Amen.