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Welcome, everybody. Welcome online. Happy Mother's

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Day to moms. My name is Bob. I am the discipleship

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pastor here at Heights. So with my job, I have

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the opportunity to help people take steps to

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mature in their faith and learn to follow Jesus

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more fully. And I love my job. I'm not up here

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a lot, but I love what I do. I was up here a

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couple weeks ago talking about a recent missions

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trip to Dominican Republic. And it really is

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amazing what we do down there. So we work with

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Casa Misionera and we work with a church called

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Iglesia de Restauracion. But our main thing is

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we work with these students who they want to

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learn leadership. So we go down there to teach

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leadership. In fact, their mission vision statement

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for Casa Misionera is training the future Christian

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leaders of tomorrow today. And so I get excited

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because we're going to go down and teach leadership.

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So as we're planning the trip, you know, we're

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talking online with them and stuff. And they

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go, oh, but Bob, you will preach on a Sunday

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at church. And I do love preaching at the church,

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but it's stressful for me sometimes. So I'm like,

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okay, we're good. We're good. So that Sunday

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comes, I preach at the church and it went well

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and everything was good. But if I'm honest, I

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just sat there like relieved that that part was

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over. And now I get to focus on leadership. And

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so we did it. The next day, we're on the bus.

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We went to public schools to preach the gospel.

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We had lunch. And then I would say it was probably

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like 2 in the afternoon. We're on our way to

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a work project. And the leader for Casa Misionera

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comes up and goes, tonight when you're preaching.

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And I'm like, OK, what? And she goes, yeah, you're

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preaching tonight. And here's the thing. I'm

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on a missions trip. I want to try to be as flexible

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as I can and do whatever they ask of me. But

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I'd only prepared one message. And I'm like,

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it takes me a long time because I want to do

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a lot of research and make sure I'm doing God's

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word justice. And I'm like, OK. So I skipped

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the rest of the afternoon work thing. And I got

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my computer out. And I'm in the bus working on

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something. And the night came, did it. And it

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was OK. It felt OK. Done with it. Well, then

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the next day, we're doing work projects. And

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we're doing this. And then 2 o 'clock in the

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afternoon, they go, so tonight when you're preaching.

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And I'm like, OK, I'm going to stop you right

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there. So what I did instead is I had our team

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give testimonies and one of our team members

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taught, and it was amazing, better than I could

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have ever done. But I say all that because today

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I really felt like I had time to prep, and I

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really feel like God laid a message on my heart.

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And to introduce the topic, I want to tell you

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something that happened on the missions trip.

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So we're in this small village putting on a tin

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roof on this building. And I'd say, you're on

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this dirt patch, probably about as big as this.

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So our team's kind of spread out talking to people.

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And one of the guys on the trip, he's 19 years

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old. His name is Jackson. He is playing with

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this mangy, nasty, ugly little stray cat. And

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he's petting it and stuff. So one of the elders

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on our trip, Kip was on the trip. So Kip comes

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over, he goes. I'm going to mess with Jackson.

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Just go along with it. So I'm like, okay. So

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I just kind of walk away because I'm going to

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follow a lead. So I hear him go up to Jackson.

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He goes, were you petting that cat? And he goes,

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yeah, why? He goes, well, it has worms. And Jackson's

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like, well, I don't see worms. He goes, you don't

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see worms. And Kip goes on to explain how he

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knows that this cat has worms. So at this point,

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I figured I'm set up to come over. So I come

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over and Jackson comes at me like this. And I

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go, whoa, whoa, don't hug me. Were you petting

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that cat? And he goes, yeah, why? I go, well,

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it obviously has worms. He goes, what? I go,

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it does. And I said, you just got that fresh

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tattoo on your hand. That's how they get in.

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And he goes, what? I go, they will. They'll get

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in through that open sore on your hand. And he

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looks horrified. So then Kip goes on to explain.

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All the horrible symptoms in graphic detail that

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would start happening as the day and night went

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on. So I'm trying not to laugh. I'm like, I just

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got to walk away. So I leave and I see Jackson

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going over to every woman on our trip like, hey,

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do you have hand sanitizer? And he's like doing

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the whole bathing thing, trying not to laugh.

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So then a little bit later, Pastor Alessandro

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is talking to me and he only speaks Spanish.

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So I get words and phrases. I don't get the whole

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thing. But as I'm talking to him, Jackson comes

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up, and Jackson's here, and I'm talking to Alessandro.

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And I see he keeps looking over at Jackson. He

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talked to me and looked at me. I don't even know

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what he's saying. So he walks away, and Jackson

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goes, what was he saying? I said, I think he's

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worried that we should take you to the hospital

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right now. Then I see him bathing two more bottles

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of hand sanitizer. So a little later, I thought,

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you just see him doing this. And I'm like, we

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got to tell him. So it's just a joke. Well, Jackson

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was part of a 12 -step program, and he went through

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step work. So he goes, I just added you to my

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step four. And step four is you take a moral

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inventory of people that have wronged you or

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hurt you in horrible ways with the idea of forgiving

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them. So he's not in this service, but I think

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he's forgiving me now. I think he did his step

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four. But I would say this. As funny as the story

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is, forgiveness really is a big deal. And forgiveness

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or the lack of forgiveness that you have, it

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affects you spiritually, and we'll talk about

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that. But it also affects you emotionally and

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physically. So I read a recent study from John

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Hopkins, and it says this. Unforgiveness is linked

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to higher incidences of stress, heart disease,

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high blood pressure, lowered immune response.

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anxiety, depression, and other issues. It does

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affect you. And I don't know if you've heard

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this saying before, but unforgiveness is like

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drinking poison yourself and waiting for the

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other person to die. The other person is rarely,

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if ever, affected, but it can slowly kill you.

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And God knows unforgiveness is not good for us.

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He made you. He designed us, and he knows us

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intimately. So he has a lot to say about unforgiveness.

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And so I want to look at Matthew 18 today because

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he speaks so strongly about the subject of forgiveness.

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So if you have Bibles with you or your phones

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and you want to turn there, it's Matthew 18.

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We're going to start in verse 21 and 22. And

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it says this. Then Peter came to Jesus and asked,

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Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother

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or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?

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Jesus answered, I tell you, not seven times,

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but 70 -7 times, or it might say 70 times 7.

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So in the verses prior to this, Jesus is speaking

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about what happens if a brother or sister sins

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against you. So we don't know Peter's motive

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for asking the question. He may have wanted to

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know more about forgiveness. He may have realized

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he had something against a brother, one of the

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disciples. or he may have been trying to make

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himself look good because Jewish tradition at

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that time said you were obligated to forgive

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a brother for the same offense three times. But

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if they did the same thing the fourth time, you

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were no longer obligated to forgive because it

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kind of proved that they were unrepentant. So

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Peter must have felt pretty generous because

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he takes the Jewish tradition of three, multiplies

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it by two, And adds one. So seven sounds pretty

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generous. But Jesus knows that Peter's thoughts

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of generosity are human thoughts and not God's

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thoughts. And he wants Peter to know how extravagant

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it is. So he goes, not seven times, Peter, 70

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times seven. The number, it wasn't about the

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number. What it was about is how extravagant

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and endless forgiveness is. Some of you know

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that I used to be a mailman in Cleveland, Ohio,

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and I have a hidden talent that I don't want

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to brag about. They keep saying they're going

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to switch this to the smaller target, but I could

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shoot a rubber band. It's pretty amazing. The

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reason I say that is because we used to shoot

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each other with rubber bands all the time at

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the post office. It was this nonstop thing that

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we would do with each other, all the guys. Does

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anyone in here work for the post office? Anyone?

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Do you guys do that still? You do, see? It's

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so fun, isn't it? So I love it, and I was really

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good at it, and those things really do hurt.

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But I worked with a Christian. One of the mailmen

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was a Christian. His name was Mark Burke. And

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he worked directly behind me, so he'd be probably

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right where that screen is. And you're in a case,

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so every once in a while I'd just turn around

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and peg him. And I'd get him pretty good, you

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know. And so then one day, he never shot back.

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And then he comes up and he goes, I'm going to

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start keeping track. I go, of what? He goes,

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you shooting me? Because Jesus said I only have

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to forgive 70 times 7. And I didn't realize,

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but he got a piece of paper, and apparently he

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was marking it. And every time... and then I

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guess I hit 491 at one point, and he just unleashed

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on me. I was kind of just at my case like this,

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and I got hit so bad. It was so bad that later

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that day I went to the gym to work out, and after

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I was done working out, I was getting dressed.

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I had my shirt off, and some guy is staring at

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me. So I'm like, do we have a problem? He goes,

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yeah, I think we do. I think you have a disease

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or ringworm or something. You've got all these

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round welts all over your back. I go. Oh, no,

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no, no, I just work over at the post office.

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Which at the time I said that, I don't even know

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why I thought that would answer the whole thing

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for him. I never saw him at the gym after that

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either. It was so weird. By the way, this is

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why I keep notes out here, because I tend to

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stray off subject a little bit. But the point

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is, it wasn't about forgiving 490 times. The

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point is, the forgiveness we get is endless.

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It's not a number, it's a heart stance. And to

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drive the point home, Jesus goes a little further

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to try to explain it. So in verses 23 through

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27, it says this. Therefore, the kingdom of heaven

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is like a king who wanted to settle accounts

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with his servants. As he began the settlement,

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a man who owed him 10 ,000 bags of gold, or 10

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,000 talents, depending on your translation,

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was brought to him. Since he was not able to

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pay, The master ordered that he and his wife

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and his children and all that he had be sold

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to repay the debt. At this, the servant fell

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to his knees before him. Be patient with me,

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he begged, and I will pay you back everything.

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The servant's master took pity on him, canceled

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the debt, and let him go. Now, I want to give

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you an idea of how much this is. So 10 ,000 talents

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or 10 ,000 bags of gold that they had back then,

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They estimate now that that would be in the realm

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of $6 billion. And obviously there's no way to

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pay that back. So as a husband and father, it

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would be one of the darkest days of my life,

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if not the darkest. I really can't think of anything

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worse than you're going to sell off my wife and

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my kids. It's all because of me. I would probably

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feel like the ultimate failure as a father and

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as a husband. And I think it's fair to say it

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was the lowest point in this man's life. Imagine,

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all this is going to happen and there's nothing

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you can do about it. There's no way to pay it

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back. I also think it's interesting that Peter

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asked about forgiveness and Jesus talks about

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money. But we can see how it relates. Because

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we talk about debt forgiveness, forgiveness of

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a loan. So they relate. But we're talking about

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spiritual, emotional forgiveness that people

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need. And there was a study done of people in

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nursing homes. So they went and they asked them,

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they said, if you could live your life over,

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how would you live it differently? So here are

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people in their 80s and 90s. Their top three

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answers were this. Number one, they would take

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more walks. I love number two, they would eat

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more ice cream. And number three, they would

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forgive more people. And then we're asked about

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that, and here are these people in their 80s

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and 90s that realized they were holding on to

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wrongs done to them way back from elementary

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school that a teacher or a classmate might have

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said to them, but they've been carrying this

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around their whole life. And there's so many

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people in our culture today that are carrying

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around hurts and burdens. From so long ago, there's

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a fact I can tell you. Hurting people hurt people.

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And we see it with all the hate around us. It's

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people carrying around hurts and then going on

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to hurt someone else. Now, this is an older story,

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but I remember it well. I think it was 2006.

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A 32 -year -old man went into an Amish school

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in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. It was a one -room

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classroom. He split the boys and girls on each

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side, started letting the boys go one by one,

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and then he started shooting the girls. He killed

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five of them and then took his own life. And

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I remember at the time seeing the news, every

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news channel, the first thing they said is they

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couldn't believe how quick the Amish community

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was to forgive. But then on one of the stations,

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they interviewed the wife of the shooter. And

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she said he had been hanging on to unforgiveness

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for over a decade. And this is how it finally

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came out. Because again, hurting people hurt

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people. But if we look back at verses 26 and

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27, I want to reread this. At this, the servant

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fell on his knees before him. Be patient with

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me, he begged, and I will pay back everything.

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The servant's master took pity on him, canceled

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the debt. and let him go. You're before the master

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at this point. All you can do is fall to your

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knees and beg forgiveness. And I think it's interesting

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that this servant says, I'll pay back everything

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I owe. It's six billion. I'm not sure he understood

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how much he had been forgiven, but it says that

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the master had pity or compassion on him. He

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released him. He didn't just defer the debt.

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He paid it off. He canceled it. And that's exactly

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what Jesus does for us. He sees our sins. He

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sees our brokenness. And he says, I want to have

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compassion on you. I want to release you and

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pay off your debt. I'm going to speak for me,

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but I'm probably speaking for all of you too.

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I've racked up such an extraordinary amount of

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sin or debt that I could never pay it back. It's

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six billion. And in Romans, it says, the wages

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of our sin or our debt is death. That's eternal

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separation from God. And yet Jesus took the debt,

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paid it off, and he says, all you have to do

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is accept my forgiveness and believe in me. Why?

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Because the master, God, had compassion on us.

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So when you hear that, how does that make you

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feel? Think about all that you've been forgiven.

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Because I would say this, that kind of love demands

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a response. If you're not a Christian, you're

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not a follower of Jesus, this is so important

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because you could never pay back the debt that

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you've accumulated. And for those of you who

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are followers, I hope you're reminded of how

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much you've been forgiven. That six billion should

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ring a bell for you. But I want to go back to

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the servant. Because if this servant really understood

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what he'd been forgiven, how should he have felt?

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How should he have responded? Because he responds

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totally wrong. Look at verse 28 and 29. It says

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this. But when the servant went out, he found

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one of his fellow servants who owed him 100 silver

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coins or denarii. He grabbed him and began to

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choke him. Pay back what you owe me, he demanded.

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His fellow servant fell to his knees and begged

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him. Be patient with me and I will pay it back.

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Now, 100 denarii is a debt. They say in our day,

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100 denarii would be somewhere around 11 ,000.

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It's a significant debt. It's a significant wrong.

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But compared to the billions that he owed, it

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is absolutely nothing. So you see this servant

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respond the same way the first one did. He falls

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to his knees and begs for forgiveness, almost

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word for word saying the same thing. But we see

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this servant respond totally differently than

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the master. Matthew 18 .30 says this, but he

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refused. Instead, he had the man thrown into

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prison until he could pay back the debt. When

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the other servants saw what had happened, they

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were outraged and went and told their master

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everything that had happened. The master called

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the servant in. You wicked servant, he said,

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I canceled all the debt of yours because you

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begged me to. Shouldn't you have had mercy on

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your fellow servant just as I had on you? In

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anger, his master handed him over to the jailers

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to be tortured until he should pay back all he

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owed. This is how my heavenly father will treat

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each of you unless you forgive your brother or

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sister from the heart. I want to say this. The

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king's response is right and just. There had

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to be a payment. Without justice, there would

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be total chaos. And Jesus made the payment for

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us. But I think the verse that keeps popping

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into my head that gets my attention is 35, where

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it says, this is how my heavenly father will

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treat each of you unless you forgive each other

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or forgive your brother from the heart. And I

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know this is super hard to hear, but Jesus says

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this pretty much about the same thing earlier

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in Matthew. In Matthew 6, 14 and 15, it says

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this. For if you forgive other people when they

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sin against you, your heavenly Father will also

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forgive you. But if you do not forgive others

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their sins, your Father will not forgive your

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sins. Those are really tough words to hear from

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Jesus. I think it's fair to say that Jesus takes

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unforgiveness very seriously. And if you're in

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this room and you call yourself a believer or

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a follower of Jesus, It's not an option to not

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forgive. And I believe that like the first servant,

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if he's sitting there and he won't forgive the

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second servant, I wonder if he really understood

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and embraced what he had been forgiven. And that's

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why I would ask us today, do we understand what

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we've been forgiven? Because it would respond

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differently. So I heard a lot of you, I don't

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know if you know Sean McDowell. He's a Christian

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apologetics expert. And so what he does is he

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does conferences and he defends the Bible. So

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he was doing one in Southern Cal. He said there

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was probably about four or five thousand people.

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But the people who put the conference together

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told him right before, hey, you're going to have

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a lot of non -Christians tonight. And they said,

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in fact, one of them is an ex -youth pastor.

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He just turned his back on the Lord about a month

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ago and left Jesus completely. And Sean said,

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do you know him? And he goes, yeah. He goes,

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do you think he'd meet with me prior? Because

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I'd really like to hear his story. So the guy

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talked to him and he agreed to meet with Sean.

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So they met for about an hour prior to the conference.

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And Sean said, hey, I heard you were this youth

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pastor and you walked away from your faith. I

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just want to know your story. And instead of

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telling the story, the young man just said, I

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just, I don't understand why God is so silent.

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And I don't know why I don't see more miracles

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and things from him. He said, all I feel is the

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absence of God. And Sean said, at that point,

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he's sitting there and all of a sudden, all these

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names of people who could answer all these questions

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were coming through his head. And Sean said,

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I felt inadequate. I didn't know what to say.

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So he said, all I did is he said, well, can I

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ask you a question? And the young man said, well,

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yeah. And he said, we can talk about you leaving

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the faith, but can you tell me when did you come

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to faith? When did you realize that you were

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a sinner in need of God's forgiveness? And he

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said the young man's eyes got as big as saucers.

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He looked like a deer in the headlights. And

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he said, I didn't become a Christian because

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I was a sinner. I became a Christian because

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I was hurting and everyone told me Jesus would

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make me feel better. That's a false gospel. This

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kid never understood what Jesus did for him.

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He was never in relationship with Jesus. He never

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had an experience with Jesus. And Sean McDowell

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said at that same talk, he was like, every time

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I meet someone who says they walked away from

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the faith, he said, I would guarantee they never

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had a faith. He said they never understood Jesus'

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forgiveness. He said they would say things like,

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he said, well, when did you become a Christian?

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When did you know Jesus died for your sins? Well,

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I've just always been a Christian. Well, then

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you don't get it. You didn't understand or accept

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the forgiveness he offers. And I think, I feel

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the same thing about people when they say they

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refuse to forgive. A brother, maybe they never

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understood what they were forgiven. Because if

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you understand forgiveness, you pay that forward.

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We've all been forgiven an extraordinary amount

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of debt. And you could be sitting here thinking,

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well, Bob, I'm not really that bad. I have never

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killed anybody. I've never been to jail. I've

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never done drugs. I waited to have sex till I

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was married. I did this, this, and this. And

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I would say those are the people that have been

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forgiven the six billion that don't get it. And

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I would compare it to the story of the prodigal

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son. The younger son went off and did wild living,

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but the older son was full of pride. Pride is

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sin. He was just as lost as the younger son,

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but in a different way. I heard it said that

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pride can blind you from ever seeing your need

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for forgiveness. And as I'm saying all this,

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I don't want to diminish. the wrongs that have

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been done to you. Some of you might have been

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wronged in terrible ways. And I will tell you,

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I've been wronged in horrible ways before. But

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I, in comparison to what Jesus has and continues

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to forgive me for, honestly, it's nothing. Because

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I know I could never pay back that debt. But

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do you know that? Because forgiveness isn't easy,

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and I think it would be impossible for me if

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I didn't understand Jesus' forgiveness, and if

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I didn't have the power of the Holy Spirit to

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help me forgive others. I mentioned earlier,

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I said hurting people hurt people, but I think

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the opposite is true. Forgiving people forgive

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people. And I've been forgiven so much, how could

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I not? And I would say this about it, forgiveness

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is very healing. I'll tell you a story. About

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15 years ago at Heights, we started this discipleship

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program called CTO. Some of you might've been

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here. It's called Call to Obedience. So what

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they would have us do as a staff is you would

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go with your spouse. So me and my wife went and

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we would meet with the people that wrote the

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program and they would tell us how to use it.

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Well, literally week one, the whole thing was

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about forgiveness. That's what they started with.

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So the lady said, hey, here's what we're gonna

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do, Bob. I'm gonna write down your dad's name.

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And so she wrote it down. She goes, now tell

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me every way your dad has sinned against you.

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And I'm like, what? And she goes, everything

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your dad has done to wrong you. So I'm telling

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her stuff. And she goes, well, okay, so now we're

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going to forgive your dad. I go, I've already

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forgiven him. She goes, no, but you just got

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to how we do it so you learn. So we went in the

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backyard. She said, would you pray over this

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forgiveness list? And I'm going to burn it. So

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she started on fire. I prayed and it was over

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and it was great. So then the following was,

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she goes, okay, we're going to do something different

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today. We're going to make a list of how you

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wronged your dad. And I'm like, well, I never.

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With a few prodding questions, I realized all

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these things that I had done and not done to

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sin against my dad. So we're getting ready to

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leave and she goes, okay, so this week you're

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going to call your dad and ask for forgiveness.

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And I said, well, you don't know my dad. He's

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not going to like this at all. I said, this could

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go really south. And she kept insisting. She

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goes, well, you have to do it. So I kept putting

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it off. And each week, we'd go back for the next

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lesson. She goes, how did the talk go with your

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dad? Oh, it's just been a busy week. Haven't

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called him yet, but I will. So finally, I call

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my dad up. I say, hey, dad, I'm doing this Bible

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study. And I need to ask for forgiveness from

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some things I've done to you. And he said in

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some really choice words that I'm not going to

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use. why I don't need to do that and why I don't

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need to forgive him. So I said, well, I really

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don't have a choice. So I start telling him all

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the things I was asking forgiveness for. And

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the phone's dead, blank. And I'm like, I got

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something new to add to his list now because

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he just hung up on me. And then I realized my

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dad's crying. And my dad is not like that. And

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all he says to me is he said, you never had to

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ask. I will tell you this about that relationship.

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Now, prior to that conversation, I would say

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I talked to my dad maybe once every two or three

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months. I talked to my dad every day, almost.

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Every week I'm on the phone with him at least

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once. In fact, I just talked to him this morning.

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Because forgiveness is so healing. And I'll say

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some of you, probably it might be the day that

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you need to forgive yourself. We recently put

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together a Bible study here, a one -on -one discipleship

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called Follow. And one of the questions in there

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is, is it easier to forgive yourself or others?

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Everyone I've asked that question to, it's been

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100 % harder to forgive yourself. And I'd say

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this about that. If God has forgiven you, who

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are you to remember it anymore? Because if you're

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in Christ, you're a new creation. The old things

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have died and passed away. So why are you hanging

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around the cemetery trying to dig those things

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back up? And even today, we battle sin and sometimes

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we lose, but that debt's been paid too. So maybe

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today is the day that you just need to forgive

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yourself to move forward. If you don't forgive

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yourself, Again, I'll say maybe you don't understand

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God's forgiveness. But as we're talking about

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forgiveness, I want to tell you a few things

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that forgiveness isn't. Forgiveness isn't a feeling.

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Because as we're sitting here, I'm sure some

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names are popping in your head that you need

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to forgive, and you're sitting there going, well,

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I don't feel like forgiving them. You're probably

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never going to feel like forgiving them. Forgiveness

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is done out of obedience, not a feeling. But

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I will tell you from personal experience, once

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I've done it out of obedience, the feeling usually

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follows. And forgiveness is not forgetting or

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ignoring the wrong that was done to you. It's

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not letting someone off the hook. The wrong that

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was done to you was real. I don't think we need

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to make excuses for those people either and say

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things like, well, we all mess up and they didn't

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mean it. Again, what they did was real. And we

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can't forget it. So sometimes triggers will happen

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where that wrong comes back up, and you've got

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to pray that again and give forgiveness. And

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forgiveness does not necessarily mean reconciliation.

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Forgiveness and reconciliation are not the same.

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Forgiveness is a choice to release a hurt. Reconciliation

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is restoring a relationship. Forgiveness can

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be granted. without restoring the relationship,

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because sometimes it's harmful to step back into

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that. So I want to do something special. I think

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a lot of times we're in church, and I feel like

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we're supposed to respond to God's Word every

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time we're in here. God's Word is so important,

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and we hear that, and if nothing changes, it's

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like faith without works is dead. So some of

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you are sitting in here today, and you know Holy

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Spirit's prodding you on a few things. We want

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to give you a chance and the opportunity to respond

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to that. And I will say this, there's probably

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a couple things that are touching your heart.

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Number one, maybe you never realized the six

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billion that you owe. And maybe today is the

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day that you're sitting here saying, I want to

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accept the payoff of my debt. I want to step

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into relationship with Jesus Christ. Maybe you're

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sitting here today and these people that are

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coming to your head that you think you can't

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forgive, but you're a Christian, you're a believer,

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but you don't know how to release that and you

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don't know how to let go of those hurts. So here's

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what I would love to do. We're gonna have the

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band come back up and they're gonna play a song,

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but we're gonna be down in front. I'm gonna come

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down there. We're gonna have some of the prayer

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team down there, but I will tell you, if you

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feel, God is talking to you right now to respond.

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Please don't miss an opportunity. Don't leave

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here saying, I should have. Do what he's asking

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you to do. Let me pray. Heavenly Father, Father,

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first of all, I just thank you for your forgiveness.

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Thank you for paying a debt that we could have

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never paid, Father. We love you. And Father,

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I pray, For people out here today that are realizing

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the debt that was paid, understanding your love

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and your forgiveness, Father, I pray that you

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would give them courage and boldness to come

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forward and tell someone that the decision they've

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made, Father, so you can use others to help on

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that walk, Father. We're a family. We want to

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walk this together. And Father, I pray for those

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that are struggling, Christian brothers that

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are struggling to let go. of hurts, of burdens

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and wrongs, Lord. I pray today would be the day

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they release that, Father. And again, for them,

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I pray courage and boldness, Father, that they

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would be able to come forward, talk and pray

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this through, Lord. Father, we love you so much

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and thank you so much for the opportunity to

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respond to your word. In Jesus' name.
