WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.040 What's up, Toby? We made it to another Friday. 00:00:03.359 --> 00:00:07.700 Yes, sir. Good to see you. Sweet. You've got 00:00:07.700 --> 00:00:12.080 this week's topic. I kicked it over to you. I 00:00:12.080 --> 00:00:14.800 was giving a listen before we jumped on to last 00:00:14.800 --> 00:00:21.039 week's when I was kind of trash talking AI because 00:00:21.039 --> 00:00:24.140 it doesn't clean the house and do my dishes. 00:00:24.239 --> 00:00:26.519 And I started thinking, what was the name of 00:00:26.519 --> 00:00:31.620 the Jetsons robot who seemed to Do all the menial 00:00:31.620 --> 00:00:35.479 tasks. Right? He didn't tell George how to fly 00:00:35.479 --> 00:00:37.880 the plane or what stupid thing to say at the 00:00:37.880 --> 00:00:42.460 office. He had that taken care of. Yeah. But, 00:00:42.859 --> 00:00:45.119 you know, she was doing things around the house 00:00:45.119 --> 00:00:49.479 that frankly I would be okay letting go of. Like, 00:00:49.679 --> 00:00:52.219 just everything's magically dusted. Everything's 00:00:52.219 --> 00:00:56.740 cleaned up. Dinner is cooked. Dishes are washed. 00:00:57.240 --> 00:01:00.520 So... What occurred to me was I had to look it 00:01:00.520 --> 00:01:03.359 up. Hey, I'm singing the song in my head, you 00:01:03.359 --> 00:01:06.519 know my boy Elroy and I didn't get the rest of 00:01:06.519 --> 00:01:10.959 the symbol Rosie was running. Okay So apparently 00:01:10.959 --> 00:01:15.840 I won Rosie Rosie the robot Yeah, and it occurs 00:01:15.840 --> 00:01:18.560 to me that the direction we're going with AI 00:01:18.560 --> 00:01:23.540 isn't about mundane tasks Because of how we're 00:01:23.540 --> 00:01:25.859 coming at this artificial intelligence, it's 00:01:25.859 --> 00:01:29.319 very much driven on information, not activity. 00:01:30.599 --> 00:01:33.340 And so it makes me wonder, you know, does AI 00:01:33.340 --> 00:01:35.879 carry the natural conclusion where the process 00:01:35.879 --> 00:01:38.599 dead? The reason why processes aren't working 00:01:38.599 --> 00:01:40.879 in a consistent, recurring way? Is it humans 00:01:40.879 --> 00:01:43.200 that are becoming process dead in this new AI 00:01:43.200 --> 00:01:48.700 world? What do you think about variability? That's 00:01:48.700 --> 00:01:54.120 an interesting one. Because that's actually, 00:01:54.159 --> 00:01:59.060 that's really interesting. Because The the systems 00:01:59.060 --> 00:02:01.819 are gonna be able to churn through a lot of data 00:02:01.819 --> 00:02:05.939 Right, right, and I think you know we may or 00:02:05.939 --> 00:02:07.879 may not have talked about this before but like 00:02:07.879 --> 00:02:11.500 that churning of data and the the production 00:02:11.500 --> 00:02:16.000 of data Like where it's just massive right? We're 00:02:16.000 --> 00:02:19.360 like I've got buddies sending me pictures of 00:02:19.360 --> 00:02:22.099 my friends that are obviously fake because we're 00:02:22.099 --> 00:02:25.900 in the football stadium with With a fryer you're 00:02:25.900 --> 00:02:28.620 like that's not real It looks real, it's not 00:02:28.620 --> 00:02:31.360 real. But what's... They don't allow that even 00:02:31.360 --> 00:02:33.280 at Boise State. No, they don't allow that. It's 00:02:33.280 --> 00:02:36.080 against the rules. But what's interesting about 00:02:36.080 --> 00:02:42.960 that is that is we do, unless we take a stand, 00:02:43.740 --> 00:02:48.539 we will be the... We will be on the receiving 00:02:48.539 --> 00:02:54.060 hand of a lot of garbage. Yeah, right like but 00:02:54.060 --> 00:02:56.620 you know, like it it kind of reminds from a data 00:02:56.620 --> 00:03:01.439 standpoint, you know, I I have the the dubious 00:03:01.439 --> 00:03:04.360 honor of going bankruptcy in the past a good 00:03:04.360 --> 00:03:08.659 dude having a bankruptcy in my past and You know, 00:03:08.819 --> 00:03:10.280 they talk about bankruptcy. They're like, well, 00:03:10.340 --> 00:03:12.479 how does it happen? It happened. It happens slowly 00:03:12.479 --> 00:03:15.539 at all at once right and so I feel like that 00:03:15.539 --> 00:03:18.280 could be exactly how this AI thing is gonna hit 00:03:18.280 --> 00:03:21.439 us is It's going to hit just slowly and then 00:03:21.439 --> 00:03:24.659 all at once. And I was talking to someone earlier 00:03:24.659 --> 00:03:27.520 today where my email has gotten so ridiculously 00:03:27.520 --> 00:03:33.560 annoying with all of the inputs from the note 00:03:33.560 --> 00:03:35.960 takers. Everyone's got a note taker in a meeting, 00:03:36.060 --> 00:03:39.180 as they should. That is a good technology to 00:03:39.180 --> 00:03:43.340 use. And I don't want it in my email. And I should 00:03:43.340 --> 00:03:45.840 go, from a process standpoint, I should go and 00:03:45.840 --> 00:03:48.259 create a rule that gets rid of it. But I just 00:03:48.259 --> 00:03:51.550 haven't yet. But to your point, that is really 00:03:51.550 --> 00:03:53.030 interesting, and I do think it's funny that you 00:03:53.030 --> 00:03:54.689 started with the Jetsons, because it's possible 00:03:54.689 --> 00:03:56.909 that some of the people don't even know who the 00:03:56.909 --> 00:04:00.509 Jetsons are, you know, because... The beauty 00:04:00.509 --> 00:04:04.610 about that Chris is that I've just given them, 00:04:04.610 --> 00:04:08.169 like, a weekend's worth of binge. Oh, yeah. I'm 00:04:08.169 --> 00:04:10.030 gonna tell you how many seasons it went off in 00:04:10.030 --> 00:04:14.069 the 60s. Hanna -Barbera, man. Hanna -Barbera 00:04:14.069 --> 00:04:17.850 was the bomb. Okay, so, little diatribe here. 00:04:18.029 --> 00:04:21.050 Did you on Sunday or Saturdays, did you get up 00:04:21.050 --> 00:04:23.610 at six in the morning too, just to watch the 00:04:23.610 --> 00:04:25.790 cartoons? Because that was the newest freshest 00:04:25.790 --> 00:04:29.410 thing that you could watch. And you weren't up 00:04:29.410 --> 00:04:33.990 at the right time. It was a one time deal. You 00:04:33.990 --> 00:04:37.529 missed it. If all your buddies were talking about, 00:04:37.529 --> 00:04:41.430 you know, Thunder Cats or Justice League on Monday 00:04:41.430 --> 00:04:45.329 at school in grade school, then you missed the 00:04:45.329 --> 00:04:49.379 boat, brother. Yeah. Yeah, there's something 00:04:49.379 --> 00:04:53.540 magical and I think if I think about this AI 00:04:53.540 --> 00:04:56.959 conversation and carried over to manufacturing, 00:04:57.259 --> 00:05:01.459 I remember working at a print shop just on an 00:05:01.459 --> 00:05:06.740 ad hoc basis. This was a family friend that had 00:05:06.740 --> 00:05:09.139 this print shop periodically. They'd say, we 00:05:09.139 --> 00:05:11.160 need a whole bunch of folks to just swarm on 00:05:11.160 --> 00:05:13.740 us for Saturday to stuff envelopes. Oh, yeah. 00:05:14.160 --> 00:05:17.139 to cut down sheets or to steeple things. You 00:05:17.139 --> 00:05:19.579 know, some of those tasks, it's a surge, and 00:05:19.579 --> 00:05:22.939 in a small community, you just reach out through 00:05:22.939 --> 00:05:25.680 school groups or kid friends or a search group. 00:05:26.980 --> 00:05:31.740 That's how they tackled scale, not through advanced 00:05:31.740 --> 00:05:34.500 pneumatic systems mechanics, but like putting 00:05:34.500 --> 00:05:37.759 a whole bunch of humans on it. And if we miss 00:05:37.759 --> 00:05:42.959 -stabled it, That was totally tolerable. If we 00:05:42.959 --> 00:05:45.120 folded it but it still got in the envelope, it 00:05:45.120 --> 00:05:47.220 still went out the door as a flyer, so that was 00:05:47.220 --> 00:05:53.740 okay. Contrast that manufacturing process with 00:05:53.740 --> 00:06:00.759 clean rooms at a Micron or an Intel. 90 % of 00:06:00.759 --> 00:06:04.660 the energy expended in there is all automated 00:06:04.660 --> 00:06:09.959 equipment. And some 10 % or less is two or three 00:06:09.959 --> 00:06:14.879 humans getting tinkering. And so in a world where 00:06:14.879 --> 00:06:17.660 humans can actually produce microchips by hand, 00:06:18.019 --> 00:06:21.300 which is not impossible, but if that were theoretically 00:06:21.300 --> 00:06:23.439 true, I can't imagine how many humans it would 00:06:23.439 --> 00:06:28.019 take to do all that soldering and all of that 00:06:28.019 --> 00:06:32.079 laser cutting. But the ratios were wildly flipped. 00:06:32.079 --> 00:06:35.509 And so I do think that... AI in a manufacturing 00:06:35.509 --> 00:06:40.009 context, manufacturing of knowledge work. It's 00:06:40.009 --> 00:06:42.089 quite likely that you may come to that similar 00:06:42.089 --> 00:06:46.029 ratio where 90 % of the real energy expenditure 00:06:46.029 --> 00:06:48.790 is being done by systems and something less than 00:06:48.790 --> 00:06:51.129 10 % is done by humans. Yeah, that's an interesting 00:06:51.129 --> 00:06:55.110 call out because I do think that like AI is not 00:06:55.110 --> 00:07:00.389 cheap electronically. It is not cheap at all 00:07:00.389 --> 00:07:04.180 and to your point, it does write better emails 00:07:04.180 --> 00:07:11.439 than I do. There's that. You can be as smart 00:07:11.439 --> 00:07:18.019 or as witty or as blatant as you want to be, 00:07:18.180 --> 00:07:20.639 and AI will meet that standard. Yeah, let's go 00:07:20.639 --> 00:07:22.740 back to the Jetsons, right? So you have Rosie, 00:07:23.019 --> 00:07:26.920 right? Rosie's doing the dishes and vacuuming. 00:07:27.220 --> 00:07:29.420 If I remember correctly, those were the two things 00:07:29.420 --> 00:07:38.699 that were key. That's what I remember. Why would 00:07:38.699 --> 00:07:47.199 AI not go in that direction? Well, it's tried 00:07:47.199 --> 00:07:49.560 to go in that direction since we were kids, like 00:07:49.560 --> 00:07:53.079 literally since the Jetsons. Right. We wanted 00:07:53.079 --> 00:07:56.259 that. I mean, Jetsons in the early 60s was the 00:07:56.259 --> 00:08:00.899 promise of... flying cars and levitating back 00:08:00.899 --> 00:08:05.500 pal and this kind of a outer space -like magical 00:08:05.500 --> 00:08:14.040 world. And today we have robotics that don't 00:08:14.040 --> 00:08:17.959 necessarily carry a lot of intelligence, but 00:08:17.959 --> 00:08:20.680 the mobility, I'm sure you've seen the same clips 00:08:20.680 --> 00:08:23.120 where these robots are doing parkour, whether 00:08:23.120 --> 00:08:26.420 it's a dog or a humanoid. It's incredible what 00:08:26.420 --> 00:08:31.189 mechanically do, but it hasn't been used with 00:08:31.189 --> 00:08:36.690 any kind of AI capability or choice making. And 00:08:36.690 --> 00:08:41.529 so when we can take that kind of, that, that 00:08:41.529 --> 00:08:45.429 programmatic discovery and exploration and embed 00:08:45.429 --> 00:08:47.669 it into some kind of robotic feature, that's 00:08:47.669 --> 00:08:49.929 a, that's a brave new world. And I don't, maybe 00:08:49.929 --> 00:08:53.289 we get Rosie, maybe we get the iRobot demons. 00:08:54.590 --> 00:08:58.309 Will Smith was baffling, you know? Terminator. 00:08:58.590 --> 00:09:02.429 I don't know where it lands. Yeah. It is interesting, 00:09:02.429 --> 00:09:07.509 right? Because the, when, you know, I always 00:09:07.509 --> 00:09:09.389 look at those and I'm like, oh yeah, that's great. 00:09:10.149 --> 00:09:14.610 And the problem you have is you're dealing with 00:09:14.610 --> 00:09:17.710 doing the dishes for three minutes. And so like, 00:09:17.769 --> 00:09:22.509 what's interesting is even on the robotic side, 00:09:23.080 --> 00:09:26.259 Like they can be very cool and very expensive, 00:09:26.279 --> 00:09:29.980 but they also have to have utility and so unless 00:09:29.980 --> 00:09:33.659 you've got a bunch of Expendable cash then it's 00:09:33.659 --> 00:09:36.960 it's you know It just doesn't work one of them 00:09:36.960 --> 00:09:39.000 one of the my favorite books that I've read over 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:40.919 probably the last three or four years was on 00:09:40.919 --> 00:09:44.419 like how to How to do a family farm, which I 00:09:44.419 --> 00:09:47.299 don't know why I got this book But I did but 00:09:47.299 --> 00:09:50.000 I actually really enjoyed it because he talked 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:53.320 about certain things like you should This is 00:09:53.320 --> 00:09:57.200 how you dig, and this is how you do posts. And 00:09:57.200 --> 00:10:00.159 what I appreciated about it is he just was really 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:03.179 pragmatic. He's like, a lot of people want machinery 00:10:03.179 --> 00:10:05.799 for machinery's sake, and they don't want it 00:10:05.799 --> 00:10:09.899 for utility's sake. And so he was just talking 00:10:09.899 --> 00:10:12.419 about, this is how you drive posts for a fence. 00:10:13.059 --> 00:10:15.200 He's like, most farmers don't need it, but they 00:10:15.200 --> 00:10:20.799 do like having that nice tractor, which in reality, 00:10:20.980 --> 00:10:22.879 you can't really... No one could buy a tractor 00:10:22.879 --> 00:10:27.179 unless you're actually in a farm. Was this the 00:10:27.179 --> 00:10:30.220 Joel Salatin book? Yeah, yeah, it was pretty 00:10:30.220 --> 00:10:34.259 good. I remember mentioning this once before, 00:10:35.019 --> 00:10:36.940 and what I loved about it, I'm about halfway 00:10:36.940 --> 00:10:39.580 through it, and I have it on Audible, and so 00:10:39.580 --> 00:10:41.799 it jockeys against whatever the other contenders 00:10:41.799 --> 00:10:44.960 are. But what I loved about it is the point you 00:10:44.960 --> 00:10:48.500 just made. It's not just buying it for the shiny 00:10:48.500 --> 00:10:51.409 joy of owning a... Freshly painted John Deere 00:10:51.409 --> 00:10:54.950 or whatever your choice is. It's this thing you 00:10:54.950 --> 00:11:00.149 get grows faster than a small army of guys can. 00:11:01.149 --> 00:11:04.289 And that's the utility trade -off that I don't 00:11:04.289 --> 00:11:08.730 see in technology often today. Oh, no. We get 00:11:08.730 --> 00:11:12.750 hung up with logins, whereas a tractor is in 00:11:12.750 --> 00:11:17.929 ignition, hit go, and drop the equipment into 00:11:17.929 --> 00:11:20.980 the soil and start driving. And I think that 00:11:20.980 --> 00:11:23.600 we've lost sight of the utility a lot of times 00:11:23.600 --> 00:11:27.240 because we're enamored with the shiny new whiz 00:11:27.240 --> 00:11:32.200 -bang gizmos, you know? Yeah, we are very much... 00:11:32.200 --> 00:11:38.759 We as human beings very much want the fancy. 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:42.279 Even when it comes to AI, we want the fancy, 00:11:42.500 --> 00:11:44.639 right? But what does the fancy get us? Do we 00:11:44.639 --> 00:11:48.912 really know yet? We don't. I would say, like... 00:11:51.360 --> 00:11:56.419 What's funny is a couple weeks ago we did a podcast 00:11:56.419 --> 00:11:58.799 on abstraction and we did a podcast on AI. We 00:11:58.799 --> 00:12:01.100 did some of those podcasts. What's interesting 00:12:01.100 --> 00:12:06.679 is my algorithms have switched to more negatively 00:12:06.679 --> 00:12:12.299 facing AI posts. And so what I don't know is 00:12:12.299 --> 00:12:14.320 if that's me just talking and my phone's picking 00:12:14.320 --> 00:12:20.330 it up. Or if it's literally me on LinkedIn, I 00:12:20.330 --> 00:12:23.850 got a post that was viewed a lot. And it's like, 00:12:23.889 --> 00:12:26.809 oh, okay, well, he likes this stuff, so let's 00:12:26.809 --> 00:12:29.169 go feed him this stuff. And so it really makes 00:12:29.169 --> 00:12:35.710 it hard to know what the reality is when LinkedIn's 00:12:35.710 --> 00:12:39.429 objective is to get my eyeballs on the screen. 00:12:40.490 --> 00:12:44.769 That's right. Yeah, I am their utility, right? 00:12:44.909 --> 00:12:48.110 And so it's hard to know what's true when I'm 00:12:48.110 --> 00:12:51.289 their utility and I'm not. They're paying me 00:12:51.289 --> 00:12:54.750 for the service by way of either wanting me to 00:12:54.750 --> 00:12:58.070 go and spend a lot of money on their little LinkedIn, 00:12:58.289 --> 00:13:01.830 whatever thing that they have, or feed me ads. 00:13:02.509 --> 00:13:06.610 And so it is this really interesting thing where 00:13:06.610 --> 00:13:09.769 when it comes to AI, I'm not sure, I think everybody 00:13:09.769 --> 00:13:13.529 has lots of opinions, but like, You know, it 00:13:13.529 --> 00:13:16.649 would be very well, I'm gonna take a small little 00:13:16.649 --> 00:13:18.250 circle here But like it would be very interesting 00:13:18.250 --> 00:13:21.490 to go and talk to some Amish people About AI 00:13:21.490 --> 00:13:24.269 like not not necessarily because like Amish people 00:13:24.269 --> 00:13:27.889 are super smart and they're smooth super utilitarian 00:13:27.889 --> 00:13:31.570 They're like it has to put whatever we do like 00:13:31.570 --> 00:13:33.509 they're not anti technology, which is what most 00:13:33.509 --> 00:13:36.649 people think they're they're they're anti Technology 00:13:36.649 --> 00:13:39.549 that ruins community and so they tend to be really 00:13:39.549 --> 00:13:42.669 they tend to be tech forward but not when it 00:13:42.669 --> 00:13:44.730 comes to cell phones because it ruins their community 00:13:44.730 --> 00:13:47.509 and they know that. And so I would, it would 00:13:47.509 --> 00:13:49.250 be very interesting. That's what we should do. 00:13:49.250 --> 00:13:52.049 We should go find someone from Pennsylvania that's 00:13:52.049 --> 00:13:55.470 Amish and have an AI conversation because I think 00:13:55.470 --> 00:13:57.710 they would ask a lot of questions that were just, 00:13:58.049 --> 00:14:01.950 we don't even ask because we're so enamored with 00:14:01.950 --> 00:14:07.110 how good it is at writing. Yeah. What's funny 00:14:07.110 --> 00:14:12.879 Chris, you love that thought. And because AI 00:14:12.879 --> 00:14:16.700 is all of the rage, we talk less about other 00:14:16.700 --> 00:14:20.639 utility layer innovations that actually are moving 00:14:20.639 --> 00:14:23.159 the ball in significant ways. If I were to pick 00:14:23.159 --> 00:14:25.820 two very simple ones, the first is integration. 00:14:26.080 --> 00:14:30.720 Oh, gosh. To be able to take late in system A 00:14:30.720 --> 00:14:34.440 and just pipe it over to system B, it eliminates 00:14:34.440 --> 00:14:37.379 the waste of time for me to print it. It's crazy. 00:14:38.169 --> 00:14:40.970 So there's a time cost, and there's also an accuracy 00:14:40.970 --> 00:14:44.490 cost. And at best, what I've done is replicate 00:14:44.490 --> 00:14:48.629 the data. If it's 100 rows of 10 data elements 00:14:48.629 --> 00:14:53.730 each, I'm going to miss something. Well, power 00:14:53.730 --> 00:14:57.149 generation or batching, you know, to equally 00:14:57.149 --> 00:15:03.250 perform the same task at scale, enormous. And 00:15:03.250 --> 00:15:06.309 increasingly, as you and I talk a lot about outside 00:15:06.309 --> 00:15:10.509 of podcasts, The automation scripts that we can 00:15:10.509 --> 00:15:12.929 put in work management tools like Monday, which 00:15:12.929 --> 00:15:15.909 is where we spend an enormous amount of our time 00:15:15.909 --> 00:15:18.590 and expertise figuring out how to stretch and 00:15:18.590 --> 00:15:23.570 flex that. That automation capability is spectacular. 00:15:23.809 --> 00:15:27.149 Let me perform the task that matters, then let 00:15:27.149 --> 00:15:30.970 the systems do all the follow on work that that 00:15:30.970 --> 00:15:38.710 system activates. So, no, it's crazy. And what's 00:15:38.710 --> 00:15:43.309 funny about it is people just think that that 00:15:43.309 --> 00:15:47.470 stuff magically shows up. And it just does it. 00:15:47.730 --> 00:15:51.190 Like, I have conversations daily with people 00:15:51.190 --> 00:15:52.909 where you're like, we're going to push the technology 00:15:52.909 --> 00:15:55.350 as much as we can, but you're going to have to, 00:15:55.350 --> 00:15:57.529 there's trade -offs and you have to make decisions. 00:15:59.210 --> 00:16:01.870 And people don't want to hear that when it comes 00:16:01.870 --> 00:16:04.009 to like systems and tools because they just want 00:16:04.009 --> 00:16:06.100 it to do the thing. And you're like sure we can 00:16:06.100 --> 00:16:08.500 make it do the thing, but it's gonna make may 00:16:08.500 --> 00:16:11.559 cost you a lot of money Because of the way that 00:16:11.559 --> 00:16:15.419 because you want you want 99 percent when 75 00:16:15.419 --> 00:16:19.019 percent would probably do This goes back to your 00:16:19.019 --> 00:16:21.700 comment earlier about i'm gonna reframe it, but 00:16:21.700 --> 00:16:24.340 it's How much is rosie the robot worth if all 00:16:24.340 --> 00:16:27.059 she does is three minutes of dishes a day. Yeah 00:16:27.059 --> 00:16:29.419 You know, and I think that's the heart of the 00:16:29.419 --> 00:16:31.759 question. We can talk about electric technology 00:16:31.759 --> 00:16:34.159 I really hope my wife doesn't listen to this 00:16:34.159 --> 00:16:36.879 one You're like you said that different dishes 00:16:36.879 --> 00:16:40.539 vacuuming you take six. You're like, yeah, I 00:16:40.539 --> 00:16:45.740 know but I don't want to Everybody keep it on 00:16:45.740 --> 00:16:49.059 the deal This is actually an extra dishwasher 00:16:49.059 --> 00:16:52.279 and it didn't burn three minutes iron for your 00:16:52.279 --> 00:16:56.100 holiday season No, no, but it's true. Let's say 00:16:56.100 --> 00:16:58.940 it's five minutes of dish washing. How much would 00:16:58.940 --> 00:17:04.420 you pay for that? if in fact you could automate 00:17:04.420 --> 00:17:07.660 that or completely eliminate that task. And I 00:17:07.660 --> 00:17:10.880 think that there's so many little things that 00:17:10.880 --> 00:17:14.039 the task completion aside, frankly, doing dishes, 00:17:14.420 --> 00:17:16.819 there's a little bit of a joy, kind of like mowing 00:17:16.819 --> 00:17:19.059 a little bit of yard. I don't want to mow hours 00:17:19.059 --> 00:17:22.000 of yard. I just want to mow a little patch of 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:24.339 yard and be able to say, that turned out beautiful. 00:17:24.740 --> 00:17:28.440 And I can see a little bit. Yeah. And so there's 00:17:28.440 --> 00:17:32.450 interesting things. I think that... in a professional 00:17:32.450 --> 00:17:35.329 world, sometimes, and for me, my status report 00:17:35.329 --> 00:17:39.170 is a common thing. I derive some joy in it because 00:17:39.170 --> 00:17:42.130 I get to say, what did I do last time? What's 00:17:42.130 --> 00:17:44.950 important enough to share with my state? But 00:17:44.950 --> 00:17:47.529 then I can also, and this is a preparatory task, 00:17:47.690 --> 00:17:50.789 it's twofold, and also then saying what's on 00:17:50.789 --> 00:17:53.470 deck? What will I be doing and engaging in next 00:17:53.470 --> 00:17:57.349 week? As an exercise, all the recordings in the 00:17:57.349 --> 00:18:01.430 AI can probably produce that status report. If 00:18:01.430 --> 00:18:05.329 I record all my calls and push most of my tasks 00:18:05.329 --> 00:18:07.869 from the platform, it's all there. But what the 00:18:07.869 --> 00:18:10.170 preparation of that status report does for me 00:18:10.170 --> 00:18:13.069 that technology doesn't, is help me organize 00:18:13.069 --> 00:18:17.630 my thinking and prioritize my message. So, yeah, 00:18:17.630 --> 00:18:20.029 I've been thinking a lot about how as a knowledge 00:18:20.029 --> 00:18:23.789 worker, can you be a craftsman? Yeah. Ooh, I 00:18:23.789 --> 00:18:28.569 like that. How can you carve out time and just... 00:18:28.650 --> 00:18:32.269 do work that you're proud of, work that's not, 00:18:32.710 --> 00:18:34.609 you know, maybe it's rushed at times, or for 00:18:34.609 --> 00:18:36.890 the most part, it's at the pace that it should 00:18:36.890 --> 00:18:41.150 be. Like, I feel like, I feel like because we're, 00:18:41.150 --> 00:18:45.289 you know, we're far away from, we're far away 00:18:45.289 --> 00:18:48.970 from pushing our bodies to the limit on the daily, 00:18:49.430 --> 00:18:54.210 because we're doing manual work, we are, we do, 00:18:54.849 --> 00:19:02.450 we do replace that with just... rapid like rapid 00:19:02.450 --> 00:19:05.150 movement that doesn't go anywhere instead of 00:19:05.150 --> 00:19:09.069 like slowing down thinking waiting like thinking 00:19:09.069 --> 00:19:13.410 waiting working getting enough time to do the 00:19:13.410 --> 00:19:18.589 thing not taking on more than we can which I 00:19:18.589 --> 00:19:23.150 think you know if you want to live a life that's 00:19:23.150 --> 00:19:26.920 without process debt or limited process debt, 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:29.579 that's really the way to do it is just work like 00:19:29.579 --> 00:19:33.720 a craftsman. Yeah. Chris, that's super interesting 00:19:33.720 --> 00:19:39.240 because I really started thinking about things 00:19:39.240 --> 00:19:42.460 that people choose for their utility or their 00:19:42.460 --> 00:19:47.240 beauty. Right, yeah. Whether it's some form of 00:19:47.240 --> 00:19:50.579 art or something that's very utilitarian like 00:19:50.579 --> 00:19:55.109 a beautifully turned table leg or you know, chair, 00:19:55.410 --> 00:19:58.450 there's a word for these things. But what's super 00:19:58.450 --> 00:20:02.809 interesting is that often it's not about who 00:20:02.809 --> 00:20:07.289 used the 800 -grit paper to finish it. It's about 00:20:07.289 --> 00:20:10.569 where did that happen in the process? And then 00:20:10.569 --> 00:20:14.509 how do you know when enough is enough? There's 00:20:14.509 --> 00:20:18.990 exercising judgment and a great fun. Well, I 00:20:18.990 --> 00:20:20.990 think in knowledge work, it's really hard because 00:20:20.990 --> 00:20:25.599 oftentimes our product is never finished. Yeah. 00:20:25.740 --> 00:20:28.940 And you can overfinish it and get laid, just 00:20:28.940 --> 00:20:32.700 get blasted because you misspelled something 00:20:32.700 --> 00:20:36.700 or you've got the wrong slide format and you're 00:20:36.700 --> 00:20:40.460 like, oh my gosh, I'm just trying to transfer 00:20:40.460 --> 00:20:42.839 information here. And we're getting stuck in 00:20:42.839 --> 00:20:45.160 the fact that it's a light blue and not a dark 00:20:45.160 --> 00:20:49.920 blue. You're like, come on, people. Full transparency, 00:20:50.200 --> 00:20:52.720 I have done the, let's go and find a really good 00:20:52.720 --> 00:20:54.539 PowerPoint slide that's really pretty, because 00:20:54.539 --> 00:20:57.019 we confuse people more. I have done that one 00:20:57.019 --> 00:21:02.019 at least once in my career. You don't have to 00:21:02.019 --> 00:21:04.220 name names until statute of limitations is right. 00:21:04.220 --> 00:21:08.079 There you go. There you go. But that's a fair 00:21:08.079 --> 00:21:10.660 point. I love the challenge, and maybe that's 00:21:10.660 --> 00:21:13.920 where we leave this episode, but it is, are we 00:21:13.920 --> 00:21:17.089 behaving as the craftspeople we are? in our college 00:21:17.089 --> 00:21:20.769 work day do they work yep yeah and you know great 00:21:20.769 --> 00:21:24.210 one carve time out enjoy your life you had a 00:21:24.210 --> 00:21:26.470 lot of you had a lot of work to do you might 00:21:26.470 --> 00:21:29.650 as well enjoy it along the way 100 % all right 00:21:29.650 --> 00:21:31.609 thanks sir all right buddy