WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.399 Hey, what's up, Toby? We made it in another week. 00:00:03.480 --> 00:00:10.300 It is the process step podcast. We have a topic 00:00:10.300 --> 00:00:15.759 to discuss. As usual. And it's correct. And it 00:00:15.759 --> 00:00:20.559 is distraction. What's that now? It's distraction. 00:00:21.140 --> 00:00:26.000 Yeah. What again? Come again. I was sorry. We 00:00:26.000 --> 00:00:28.280 were talking about what? The word attention span 00:00:28.280 --> 00:00:33.759 says what? Yeah Distraction oh my god, is that 00:00:33.759 --> 00:00:37.119 not the case since I mean it was bad before kovat, 00:00:37.119 --> 00:00:41.600 but in our post kovat world you know whether 00:00:41.600 --> 00:00:45.119 it's laundry going off in the back or Amazon 00:00:45.119 --> 00:00:47.700 dropping off packages or cats walking across 00:00:47.700 --> 00:00:51.159 screens. It feels like the world is out to distract 00:00:51.159 --> 00:00:55.439 us. Oh for sure So it's interesting because I've 00:00:55.439 --> 00:00:58.000 been I've been sitting in a lot of meeting meetings 00:00:58.829 --> 00:01:06.049 Yeah, and I realized that So many people are 00:01:06.049 --> 00:01:12.189 just not paying attention With their with their 00:01:12.189 --> 00:01:14.450 with their screens on are you talking about live 00:01:14.450 --> 00:01:17.269 meetings old school old school meetings You're 00:01:17.269 --> 00:01:19.390 kind of you're kind of well actually probably 00:01:19.390 --> 00:01:23.049 both but like specifically like the zoom zoom 00:01:23.049 --> 00:01:28.650 the zoom meetings where it's so, so easy to just 00:01:28.650 --> 00:01:33.909 get distracted. Like, oh, email. Oh, Slack. Oh, 00:01:34.230 --> 00:01:39.010 Teams. Oh, Zoom. Oh, something. Oh, that person 00:01:39.010 --> 00:01:41.030 said, you know, let's see if we can get my buddy 00:01:41.030 --> 00:01:44.849 to laugh. Send him a text message. Like, better. 00:01:46.969 --> 00:01:49.390 We're just having, which is a fun game to play 00:01:49.390 --> 00:01:51.609 sometimes, but also can get you in big trouble. 00:01:53.489 --> 00:01:56.840 What? It feels and you know for so many for so 00:01:56.840 --> 00:02:00.120 many folks working in an office environment We 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:03.099 often spend half our day or better in meetings, 00:02:03.099 --> 00:02:08.419 right? I Just don't even how many hours a day 00:02:08.419 --> 00:02:12.319 do you think people spend in meetings? I would 00:02:12.319 --> 00:02:18.139 I would be shocked if it's not over five Yeah, 00:02:18.139 --> 00:02:24.169 I often hear So I, I Googled that really quick. 00:02:24.770 --> 00:02:27.789 It's, it's saying two and a half hours per day 00:02:27.789 --> 00:02:31.270 for a standard five day work week. Two and a 00:02:31.270 --> 00:02:34.090 half. Yeah. In the nineties, it was two and a 00:02:34.090 --> 00:02:37.150 half hours. Right. Maybe that's where I, I need 00:02:37.150 --> 00:02:39.770 to double check that maybe where my Google search 00:02:39.770 --> 00:02:42.449 engine is focused. You know, what's so funny 00:02:42.449 --> 00:02:46.469 is we're talking about abstraction, right? And 00:02:46.469 --> 00:02:53.830 what did you do? You just swore. God it's but 00:02:53.830 --> 00:02:56.210 that's a perfect example, right? Let me look 00:02:56.210 --> 00:03:00.490 it up Yeah, but that's it's one more example 00:03:00.490 --> 00:03:03.050 It's not just stuff dinging but our access to 00:03:03.050 --> 00:03:05.270 information and knowing it's really just a click 00:03:05.270 --> 00:03:08.150 away We don't have to speculate we can actually 00:03:08.150 --> 00:03:12.770 well, we can let Google speculate but You're 00:03:12.770 --> 00:03:15.069 right, you know, there's so many things pulling 00:03:15.069 --> 00:03:17.729 us off topic. So why does distraction matter 00:03:17.729 --> 00:03:20.150 to you though? I thought you know, usually you 00:03:20.150 --> 00:03:23.409 and I love going everywhere, but our chosen topic. 00:03:23.689 --> 00:03:26.530 And today with distraction being the topic, I 00:03:26.530 --> 00:03:28.849 feel like we have to be on task. That's funny. 00:03:29.889 --> 00:03:31.729 It's, you know, it's interesting. Like, you know, 00:03:31.729 --> 00:03:35.629 if we were to actually run a non -distracted 00:03:35.629 --> 00:03:40.370 meeting, like, what would that look like? And 00:03:40.370 --> 00:03:42.610 I, you know, what's, what's interesting and what 00:03:42.610 --> 00:03:44.490 I've been kind of what I've been noodling on 00:03:44.490 --> 00:03:46.789 is like, we have these, we have standard meetings. 00:03:48.370 --> 00:03:53.780 Uh, we have these standard meetings. And I think 00:03:53.780 --> 00:03:58.939 oftentimes we necessarily know what the meetings 00:03:58.939 --> 00:04:04.500 are for. Or they're not, they're just so generic 00:04:04.500 --> 00:04:09.759 that it's hard to track. Or the worst thing is 00:04:09.759 --> 00:04:15.300 you just do the same thing over and over again 00:04:15.300 --> 00:04:22.149 and nothing ever gets better. I also, the other 00:04:22.149 --> 00:04:24.350 element I'd add to it is not knowing what our 00:04:24.350 --> 00:04:29.209 role is in the meeting. But you're right. So 00:04:29.209 --> 00:04:32.470 we haven't set a very attractive table that we 00:04:32.470 --> 00:04:35.089 then invite people to come spend often half their 00:04:35.089 --> 00:04:38.829 day sitting in a series of meetings that are 00:04:38.829 --> 00:04:41.189 without purpose and without accountabilities 00:04:41.189 --> 00:04:45.129 and expectations. What could go wrong? Maybe 00:04:45.129 --> 00:04:48.050 one of the reasons, okay, so this is off topic 00:04:48.050 --> 00:04:50.779 a little bit, but also very timely because we're 00:04:50.779 --> 00:04:53.259 talking about meetings and the lack of focus. 00:04:54.120 --> 00:04:56.420 One of my buddies and I have been talking about 00:04:56.420 --> 00:05:01.860 a very, like a, having a sitcom that's called 00:05:01.860 --> 00:05:06.040 The Meeting. And everything about the sitcom 00:05:06.040 --> 00:05:09.579 is that everything leads up to the meeting. So 00:05:09.579 --> 00:05:12.439 the meetings for the meetings, you know, the 00:05:12.439 --> 00:05:15.399 memes that happened before the meetings. All 00:05:15.399 --> 00:05:17.939 of the things that lead up to the meeting, but 00:05:17.939 --> 00:05:20.959 at the end of every episode, you walk into the 00:05:20.959 --> 00:05:22.959 meeting, but you never end up in the meeting. 00:05:23.920 --> 00:05:29.420 And then the next day, the next day is the aftermath, 00:05:29.519 --> 00:05:33.100 or the next episode is the aftermath of the meeting, 00:05:33.480 --> 00:05:36.480 leading to the next meeting. I think it would 00:05:36.480 --> 00:05:40.959 be really funny. I want to be a writer on your 00:05:40.959 --> 00:05:46.120 sitcom. I mean, it has a very kind of office 00:05:46.120 --> 00:05:51.699 flavor. Oh, totally. And how relatable is that 00:05:51.699 --> 00:05:57.860 very thing? I will say that the endless hours 00:05:57.860 --> 00:06:01.420 of meetings or getting ready for meetings that 00:06:01.420 --> 00:06:03.560 may or may not be relevant for us that we're 00:06:03.560 --> 00:06:06.199 expected to attend, it does give rise to some 00:06:06.199 --> 00:06:09.860 innovative ideas like you knew sitcom, right? 00:06:10.839 --> 00:06:14.029 But I... The other element that it brings to 00:06:14.029 --> 00:06:19.329 bear for me is that for most folks that are working 00:06:19.329 --> 00:06:24.709 in an office in a W -2 job, a lot of it is this 00:06:24.709 --> 00:06:27.569 expectation we have to log eight hours still. 00:06:28.129 --> 00:06:30.370 It's not about outcomes. It's really about punching 00:06:30.370 --> 00:06:34.310 a clock, literally or figuratively. And so if 00:06:34.310 --> 00:06:36.910 you're serving your eight hours each day in exchange 00:06:36.910 --> 00:06:42.720 for a paycheck, then The question is, what is 00:06:42.720 --> 00:06:46.199 the value of the time that I'm surrendering in 00:06:46.199 --> 00:06:48.220 exchange for the monies? And what am I getting 00:06:48.220 --> 00:06:51.019 out of it? If the organization isn't making good 00:06:51.019 --> 00:06:53.720 use of our energies, then all we're really doing 00:06:53.720 --> 00:06:56.980 is clocking time. So why wouldn't we surf around 00:06:56.980 --> 00:06:59.480 and dream up new sitcoms, for example? There 00:06:59.480 --> 00:07:01.779 you go. Well, what's interesting is like, you 00:07:01.779 --> 00:07:04.060 know, last week we talked about Vibecoding and 00:07:04.060 --> 00:07:08.399 Generadance, AI, and it's very good at generating. 00:07:09.639 --> 00:07:13.639 It may not be very good at being decisive. We're 00:07:13.639 --> 00:07:19.779 deciding. And I think one of the habits that 00:07:19.779 --> 00:07:27.680 we've gained is probably the wrong word. The 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:33.420 bad habits that we've adopted unintentionally 00:07:33.420 --> 00:07:42.660 has been to generate these meetings. and not 00:07:42.660 --> 00:07:45.519 have them lead to decisions or decisiveness, 00:07:45.740 --> 00:07:47.779 or even know what they're for. Because the problem 00:07:47.779 --> 00:07:51.360 that we had with COVID is you needed that human 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:54.579 connection. And so we've confused connection 00:07:54.579 --> 00:08:00.259 with decisiveness and business, like making decisions 00:08:00.259 --> 00:08:06.920 and moving stuff forward. It's a worrisome thought 00:08:06.920 --> 00:08:11.040 when in the broader marketplace. I know very 00:08:11.040 --> 00:08:14.819 strong mid -career folks that have been six, 00:08:14.819 --> 00:08:18.740 eight, 10 months since being part of a layoff 00:08:18.740 --> 00:08:24.279 over the last 12 to 24 months. Just strange times 00:08:24.279 --> 00:08:29.519 and sometimes even more peculiar than at other 00:08:29.519 --> 00:08:32.120 phases of our careers. As you and I sit here 00:08:32.120 --> 00:08:36.240 on straddling, one of us on each side of 50 and 00:08:36.399 --> 00:08:38.299 I say it that way because I feel a little younger 00:08:38.299 --> 00:08:43.259 when I frame it that way. So it's not new. We've 00:08:43.259 --> 00:08:45.960 been in this market for 25 plus years, give or 00:08:45.960 --> 00:08:51.379 take. And yet, to your very point, it does feel 00:08:51.379 --> 00:08:53.720 a little bit like these cuts that we see big 00:08:53.720 --> 00:08:56.399 organizations going through. It's almost like 00:08:56.399 --> 00:09:00.279 they're in search of focus again, and they know 00:09:00.279 --> 00:09:03.039 that they're not getting the outcomes they need. 00:09:03.200 --> 00:09:05.740 but they're also not in a position to kind of 00:09:05.740 --> 00:09:09.240 channel that focus. And it's almost like they 00:09:09.240 --> 00:09:10.899 haven't been able to put their finger on it. 00:09:10.899 --> 00:09:13.460 And I think you just nailed it that work has 00:09:13.460 --> 00:09:16.059 become a social outcome, which it's probably 00:09:16.059 --> 00:09:18.120 always been. And that's always been one of the 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:21.240 people I enjoy is the people I work with. But 00:09:21.240 --> 00:09:23.720 that sense of shared purpose is a little murky 00:09:23.720 --> 00:09:27.960 at times. You know, we get fragmented and the 00:09:27.960 --> 00:09:30.000 bigger the company, the more fragmented we can 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:32.710 become. with each of us in our small tribes. 00:09:34.289 --> 00:09:37.429 Well, let me bring that back to this point of 00:09:37.429 --> 00:09:40.429 easily distracted. And you also brought up vibe 00:09:40.429 --> 00:09:42.549 coding again, which I think is really brilliant. 00:09:43.570 --> 00:09:46.669 Before the show, we were talking about the old 00:09:46.669 --> 00:09:49.570 school term being RPA, right? Robotic Process 00:09:49.570 --> 00:09:54.029 Automation. But modern AI solutions are allowing 00:09:54.029 --> 00:09:57.970 us to create a set of coded instructions really, 00:09:57.970 --> 00:10:00.529 and start to automate some repetitive process. 00:10:00.720 --> 00:10:04.440 And it's not just the technologists. Oh, for 00:10:04.440 --> 00:10:08.240 sure. Well, the interesting thing is like, we, 00:10:08.659 --> 00:10:13.840 like as we become more, as we become more efficient 00:10:13.840 --> 00:10:18.620 in our day jobs, we still have eight hours to 00:10:18.620 --> 00:10:22.200 feed or eight hours to sell. Feed. We can feed 00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:30.179 it. Right. Feed it however it works. The interesting 00:10:30.179 --> 00:10:36.159 thing for me is emailing has gotten so much easier 00:10:36.159 --> 00:10:40.419 because I'm not the most eloquent speaker nor 00:10:40.419 --> 00:10:46.940 writer and the ability to write a very nice email 00:10:46.940 --> 00:10:52.679 is fabulous and it's also made my writing worse. 00:10:54.850 --> 00:10:56.750 Like, I don't know, I don't know if, I don't 00:10:56.750 --> 00:10:58.909 know if you've, you've noticed that, but like, 00:10:59.190 --> 00:11:01.009 I'll write, I'll write something. And I've just 00:11:01.009 --> 00:11:04.370 become so dependent on Grammarly or, or one of 00:11:04.370 --> 00:11:07.409 the GPTs to write it in a way that sounds really 00:11:07.409 --> 00:11:12.529 good. And it's great. But I, I feel like, you 00:11:12.529 --> 00:11:15.230 know, like it's one of those unintended side 00:11:15.230 --> 00:11:18.610 effects of, you know, just like we had distraction 00:11:18.610 --> 00:11:20.649 going into COVID, one of the unintended side 00:11:20.649 --> 00:11:24.320 effects of these AIs is that like, We lose our 00:11:24.320 --> 00:11:30.820 sharpness Yeah, it's it's kind of like Replacing 00:11:30.820 --> 00:11:35.340 handwritten notes or documents with typed documents 00:11:35.340 --> 00:11:38.860 Yeah, and then people's handwriting becomes completely 00:11:38.860 --> 00:11:41.419 illegible like everybody's a everybody's a position 00:11:41.419 --> 00:11:45.879 all the sudden, you know, oh Yeah, I think you 00:11:45.879 --> 00:11:48.240 I think you raise a couple interesting points 00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:50.490 and I'd like to talk more about how we bring 00:11:50.490 --> 00:11:52.870 these together. So one is this idea of distraction. 00:11:53.090 --> 00:11:56.909 And so the loss of the discipline around being 00:11:56.909 --> 00:12:00.789 focused and present in meetings. But then you 00:12:00.789 --> 00:12:04.129 also bring up this this kind of adjacent idea 00:12:04.129 --> 00:12:08.830 of the more that technology is prepared to communicate 00:12:08.830 --> 00:12:11.370 on my behalf, not even as a means to communication, 00:12:11.429 --> 00:12:14.330 but actually crafting the message in a more eloquent 00:12:14.330 --> 00:12:17.730 way. Then we also lose our sharpness there. And 00:12:17.730 --> 00:12:21.399 so With the landscape changing as fast as it 00:12:21.399 --> 00:12:24.379 is, it makes me think about, maybe the real question 00:12:24.379 --> 00:12:28.620 is, what are those underlying habits that serve 00:12:28.620 --> 00:12:31.580 us well, regardless of the stage in our career? 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:35.840 What are those areas where we need to work individually, 00:12:35.840 --> 00:12:38.720 but also with our teams to stay sharp, to really 00:12:38.720 --> 00:12:41.700 be effective as the landscape changes? What comes 00:12:41.700 --> 00:12:43.259 to mind? Yeah, one of the things that I've been 00:12:43.259 --> 00:12:48.879 thinking about is like, let's just scribe. Have 00:12:48.879 --> 00:12:51.500 a scribe for the meeting and make sure that it's 00:12:51.500 --> 00:12:56.320 always a different person. You know, like move 00:12:56.320 --> 00:12:59.919 around. And at the beginning, like at the beginning 00:12:59.919 --> 00:13:01.980 of the meeting, Hey, you're, you're the scribe 00:13:01.980 --> 00:13:03.860 and they're just going to document what happened 00:13:03.860 --> 00:13:06.159 in the meeting. And at the end, let's just get 00:13:06.159 --> 00:13:08.059 a feedback from your scribe on like what the 00:13:08.059 --> 00:13:12.080 big things were. Make sure that you've got coherence 00:13:12.080 --> 00:13:16.440 and figure out at the end, like, are there any 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:19.110 action items? Yes, yeah or nay. Do you want to 00:13:19.110 --> 00:13:21.830 do them? Do you not want to do them? My guess 00:13:21.830 --> 00:13:24.950 is by forcing that sort of discipline in the 00:13:24.950 --> 00:13:27.409 meeting, you might actually have less meetings 00:13:27.409 --> 00:13:30.009 because people don't want to be scribes. But 00:13:30.009 --> 00:13:32.870 you also would realize that in most meetings, 00:13:33.429 --> 00:13:35.809 there's a lot of action items that get thrown 00:13:35.809 --> 00:13:41.570 out that may or may not even be important. Chris, 00:13:41.570 --> 00:13:44.690 I love that. Now, the very first thought as you 00:13:44.690 --> 00:13:47.860 say that, that what comes to mind is I go, well, 00:13:48.100 --> 00:13:53.360 Zoom will auto transcribe every things. And another 00:13:53.360 --> 00:13:55.879 you and I are familiar with is one called Fathom, 00:13:56.100 --> 00:13:58.340 which will just follow us from meeting to meeting 00:13:58.340 --> 00:14:01.059 and capture all of our notes. So talk to link 00:14:01.059 --> 00:14:04.740 up this idea of of assigning the scribe task 00:14:04.740 --> 00:14:08.559 to this idea of habits that that create that 00:14:08.559 --> 00:14:13.610 value. Yeah. Why is that in mind? I think. I 00:14:13.610 --> 00:14:16.690 think we have longer meetings, our meetings instead 00:14:16.690 --> 00:14:18.850 of five -minute meetings or 15 -minute meetings, 00:14:19.350 --> 00:14:23.350 because everybody's distracted. And so if you 00:14:23.350 --> 00:14:26.490 force different individuals to be focused in 00:14:26.490 --> 00:14:31.409 a meeting, you will, and this should be experimental, 00:14:31.409 --> 00:14:34.870 so if any listeners are doing this, just let 00:14:34.870 --> 00:14:38.190 us know. But if you had a scribe, it's going 00:14:38.190 --> 00:14:41.610 to force at least that one person When it's your 00:14:41.610 --> 00:14:44.090 turn, and it should be everybody, leader, it 00:14:44.090 --> 00:14:46.029 doesn't matter, right? Your leader shouldn't 00:14:46.029 --> 00:14:49.289 always lead the meetings, but, but it's going 00:14:49.289 --> 00:14:54.830 to force every person to realize that most of 00:14:54.830 --> 00:14:59.350 this meeting was useless or will for it would 00:14:59.350 --> 00:15:02.870 be a forcing function to make, make meetings 00:15:02.870 --> 00:15:05.470 better. That's what we should do. We should get 00:15:05.470 --> 00:15:10.460 hats and say, make meetings great again. That's 00:15:10.460 --> 00:15:15.139 exactly what we should do. Yes. I would love 00:15:15.139 --> 00:15:17.519 to say that some of the most effective meetings 00:15:17.519 --> 00:15:20.940 I have in any given week are in fact a half hour 00:15:20.940 --> 00:15:24.059 meeting. And it's a low frequency, high value 00:15:24.059 --> 00:15:28.220 instead of high frequency, low value. I sometimes 00:15:28.220 --> 00:15:32.299 more throughput in a half hour meeting simply 00:15:32.299 --> 00:15:35.120 because of the scarcity. And I feel like in what 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:40.259 does feel like an overabundance of time. The 00:15:40.259 --> 00:15:42.220 world is full of people saying, I can barely 00:15:42.220 --> 00:15:44.700 keep up with my day. But if you extracted low 00:15:44.700 --> 00:15:48.399 value tasks, like just simply attending a meeting 00:15:48.399 --> 00:15:51.120 instead of having time to be focused on the things 00:15:51.120 --> 00:15:54.379 you're accountable for, that might be different. 00:15:54.840 --> 00:15:57.659 I think a lot of the innovation that technology 00:15:57.659 --> 00:16:00.919 improves isn't innovation on behalf of the company's 00:16:00.919 --> 00:16:04.240 mission. It's dreaming up new and better sitcoms 00:16:04.240 --> 00:16:07.379 or it's technical innovation just for the sake 00:16:07.379 --> 00:16:11.940 of exploration, right? And so if organizations 00:16:11.940 --> 00:16:14.019 are feeling like they're not deriving the value 00:16:14.019 --> 00:16:18.480 from their workforce that they should, then it 00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:21.379 feels a little bit like they need to reassess 00:16:21.379 --> 00:16:23.620 some of their cultural dynamics. So love this 00:16:23.620 --> 00:16:26.899 habit about how do you expect people, how do 00:16:26.899 --> 00:16:31.110 you refocus people on practicing the habit of 00:16:31.110 --> 00:16:33.490 engagement and staying on point. Yeah. You know, 00:16:33.490 --> 00:16:35.389 what's funny is like one of the tricks that I've 00:16:35.389 --> 00:16:37.269 done, especially when it's a big organization, 00:16:37.269 --> 00:16:41.070 because oftentimes like that seems to be a fallback, 00:16:41.210 --> 00:16:44.610 like, Oh, I'm so busy. Right. And sometimes using 00:16:44.610 --> 00:16:48.409 this becomes this thing. Like sometimes you can 00:16:48.409 --> 00:16:51.850 ask for like a two week sprint on daily 15 minute 00:16:51.850 --> 00:16:55.129 meetings. And that has been like, especially 00:16:55.129 --> 00:16:57.570 when you're working among devs and you've got 00:16:57.570 --> 00:17:00.559 dependencies on other teams. I've been incredibly 00:17:00.559 --> 00:17:02.539 affected just saying, Hey, look, I just need 00:17:02.539 --> 00:17:07.200 15 minutes of your brain. Because, you know, 00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:09.799 sometimes the GPT is not going to be able to 00:17:09.799 --> 00:17:12.019 figure out what's going on inside of a corporation. 00:17:12.500 --> 00:17:15.119 And so I did it actually quite a bit when I was 00:17:15.119 --> 00:17:18.960 standing up a brand new internal UI. Like people 00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:22.599 would not, would not give me any time. Like I 00:17:22.599 --> 00:17:24.839 couldn't actually go and steal everybody. But 00:17:24.839 --> 00:17:27.339 when I said, Hey, look, I just need someone 15 00:17:27.339 --> 00:17:29.779 minutes a week. No work, no action items out 00:17:29.779 --> 00:17:31.599 of it, but I just need to borrow their brain 00:17:31.599 --> 00:17:34.960 because, because the GPT was not going to read 00:17:34.960 --> 00:17:38.160 their brain. And it was amazing. It was amazing 00:17:38.160 --> 00:17:40.980 how effective and how unblocked I could get my 00:17:40.980 --> 00:17:44.900 dev teams just by getting, borrowing someone 00:17:44.900 --> 00:17:48.400 who actually had deep domain experience in something 00:17:48.400 --> 00:17:52.559 that the GPT would never touch. Right. Because 00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:56.960 that's, you know, still like. Sometimes effectiveness 00:17:56.960 --> 00:18:00.319 can be, you know, making, making it more kind. 00:18:00.539 --> 00:18:05.880 Sometimes it can be time boxing. Yeah. I love 00:18:05.880 --> 00:18:08.119 that. In the, in the spirit of better habits. 00:18:08.180 --> 00:18:12.519 Yeah. Right. Well, time is the scarce, the scarce 00:18:12.519 --> 00:18:16.059 commodity that we have. Yeah. Even when we, we 00:18:16.059 --> 00:18:18.319 sell it in what feels like these enormous blocks, 00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:20.960 right? The days are long and the years are short. 00:18:21.619 --> 00:18:29.380 So. I think this notion of purpose is also an 00:18:29.380 --> 00:18:37.059 element maybe that's drifted. That idea of if 00:18:37.059 --> 00:18:38.920 you're fortunate enough to work in an organization 00:18:38.920 --> 00:18:42.359 where there's a very clear mission, and I have 00:18:42.359 --> 00:18:44.319 over the years, different times, worked with 00:18:44.319 --> 00:18:47.119 very mission -driven companies, it's a nice thing 00:18:47.119 --> 00:18:49.579 that you experience there where people are brought 00:18:49.579 --> 00:18:54.140 back to the real purpose. I'm the first to say, 00:18:54.180 --> 00:18:56.559 sometimes it can be a bit much, you know, if 00:18:56.559 --> 00:18:58.599 every meeting is open with what is our mission. 00:18:59.220 --> 00:19:01.960 And yet it's that kind of intention that builds 00:19:01.960 --> 00:19:06.319 habits, right? It repeated and consistent practice 00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:09.779 that results in these habits that are effective 00:19:09.779 --> 00:19:14.079 enough to carry the day. So, yeah. Yeah. Very 00:19:14.079 --> 00:19:17.799 cool, man. We made it through another one. We'll 00:19:17.799 --> 00:19:20.920 pick it up next week. I'd love to hear about 00:19:20.920 --> 00:19:25.900 it. Yeah. Drop us a note. Yeah, that's great. 00:19:26.960 --> 00:19:27.380 See ya.