WEBVTT 00:00:00.360 --> 00:00:03.120 Hey, what's up, Toby? We made it another week. 00:00:03.839 --> 00:00:07.400 Still kicking. It's the Processed Debt podcast. 00:00:08.359 --> 00:00:12.539 Happy Friday. This week, we are focusing on all 00:00:12.539 --> 00:00:15.160 things personal. Personal Processed Debt, which 00:00:15.160 --> 00:00:19.679 we don't want to admit exists, but it does. Fair, 00:00:19.940 --> 00:00:23.480 fair. And we're going to start with a Mark Twain 00:00:23.480 --> 00:00:28.160 quote, which is, I've had a lot of worries in 00:00:28.160 --> 00:00:36.759 my life. most of which never happened. Oh, borrowed 00:00:36.759 --> 00:00:41.100 trouble. Now, Chris, how often do we do that? 00:00:41.159 --> 00:00:44.119 We just start thinking about something and we 00:00:44.119 --> 00:00:46.719 blow it so out of proportion as to make ourselves 00:00:46.719 --> 00:00:50.299 and sometimes those around us crazy over nothing. 00:00:51.219 --> 00:00:54.719 Yes. Dude. And that is not just me. We want to 00:00:54.719 --> 00:00:56.280 do an episode on this. So it means that maybe 00:00:56.280 --> 00:01:02.729 there's more than one of us. Think of a world, 00:01:02.729 --> 00:01:07.010 in world, where a bunch of us go to the office, 00:01:07.650 --> 00:01:09.750 and many of us worry about things that are not 00:01:09.750 --> 00:01:15.989 real. What could possibly go wrong? What could 00:01:15.989 --> 00:01:20.569 possibly, what could possibly go wrong? Nothing. 00:01:20.709 --> 00:01:22.450 Nothing could go wrong. But basically, like, 00:01:22.489 --> 00:01:24.790 what I want to talk about today is just the process 00:01:24.790 --> 00:01:27.750 debt that we all carry, which are past wounds 00:01:27.750 --> 00:01:31.230 and rumination around things that either are 00:01:31.230 --> 00:01:35.030 real or not real or anything in between. Yeah. 00:01:37.129 --> 00:01:40.930 These supercomputers of ours want problems, right? 00:01:41.189 --> 00:01:45.170 Oh, no. Yeah, yeah. And boy, they'll capture 00:01:45.170 --> 00:01:50.290 something and chew on it. There's probably something, 00:01:51.390 --> 00:01:54.689 rumination I think is such a good word, makes 00:01:54.689 --> 00:01:57.390 me think about the biological process of just 00:01:57.390 --> 00:02:01.450 slowly grinding on something. I've heard people 00:02:01.450 --> 00:02:04.329 call it just over -revving too. I just can't 00:02:04.329 --> 00:02:06.609 get the brain to shut down. I just keep cycling 00:02:06.609 --> 00:02:10.389 back to the same thing and no new information, 00:02:10.509 --> 00:02:13.689 no new insights, but I can't let it go. Talk 00:02:13.689 --> 00:02:16.610 to me about, I love it when you stir up these 00:02:16.610 --> 00:02:20.849 topics and I'll have to say, What have you been 00:02:20.849 --> 00:02:24.030 ruminating on about? Okay, and I don't know necessarily 00:02:24.030 --> 00:02:28.030 where this came from, but I do think... A friend? 00:02:29.169 --> 00:02:31.009 I've been a friend. I'll tell you about a friend 00:02:31.009 --> 00:02:33.449 of mine. But what was funny is I did go to lunch 00:02:33.449 --> 00:02:36.229 with my son, who's 20, and he's like, he's like, 00:02:36.310 --> 00:02:39.830 you know what, Dad? I get in these arguments 00:02:39.830 --> 00:02:43.300 or have these conflicts with my friends. You 00:02:43.300 --> 00:02:45.960 know, he's 20, his prefrontal cortex isn't fully 00:02:45.960 --> 00:02:48.259 formed. And he's like, but then I leave and then 00:02:48.259 --> 00:02:50.139 I just think about all the things that I could 00:02:50.139 --> 00:02:53.000 say. Oh. And then he's like, do you ever do that? 00:02:53.060 --> 00:02:56.259 And I was just had this huge chuckle of like, 00:02:56.460 --> 00:03:00.620 no, I would like to, or it's just a you thing. 00:03:00.800 --> 00:03:02.280 You're going to have to live with that for the 00:03:02.280 --> 00:03:05.539 rest of your life. The one way to get to hell 00:03:05.539 --> 00:03:07.719 right there is telling a kid that nobody else 00:03:07.719 --> 00:03:11.379 has that. No, but I was thinking about this in 00:03:11.379 --> 00:03:13.870 the context of just Not only personally, but 00:03:13.870 --> 00:03:22.449 also collectively. When the consumer confidence 00:03:22.449 --> 00:03:27.750 index drops, we tend to have a collective rumination 00:03:27.750 --> 00:03:31.750 about things. Or depending on our algorithm, 00:03:31.830 --> 00:03:35.289 which was basically built to help us ruminate 00:03:35.289 --> 00:03:41.770 on things. If you transfer that to the business, 00:03:43.639 --> 00:03:46.879 world and you have hundreds of people working 00:03:46.879 --> 00:03:50.259 together that not everybody's going to be stuck 00:03:50.259 --> 00:03:52.819 in rumination, but it happens. It probably happens 00:03:52.819 --> 00:03:55.819 more than we think. Yeah. I think you're right. 00:03:56.599 --> 00:03:59.080 I mean, very few of us have jobs that require 00:03:59.080 --> 00:04:02.840 our full and undivided attention for hours on 00:04:02.840 --> 00:04:05.759 end. Yeah. Right. You may get into flow and we've 00:04:05.759 --> 00:04:08.580 talked about that I think in past episodes. Yeah. 00:04:08.810 --> 00:04:11.449 But a lot of times the daydreaming, if it's not 00:04:11.449 --> 00:04:14.750 about awesome plans for the weekend, it does 00:04:14.750 --> 00:04:17.370 tend to circle around on things that are creating 00:04:17.370 --> 00:04:20.449 anxiety for us or things that require attention 00:04:20.449 --> 00:04:26.589 and we're procrastinating. No, I hear you. Well, 00:04:26.730 --> 00:04:31.009 as process debt, I love this as a topic, right? 00:04:31.350 --> 00:04:33.889 Here's a case of a workflow that is not producing 00:04:33.889 --> 00:04:39.980 anything. a lot of anxiety and pumping chemicals 00:04:39.980 --> 00:04:43.019 into our body to figure it out. Well, at the 00:04:43.019 --> 00:04:44.779 end of the day, it's like, what did I produce? 00:04:45.920 --> 00:04:49.000 You end up back at the Mark Twain quote, where 00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:52.279 a lot of worry, most of which never happened. 00:04:54.740 --> 00:04:58.120 It's been interesting because throughout my career, 00:04:58.480 --> 00:05:01.899 you have moments of stress and moments of not 00:05:01.899 --> 00:05:05.160 stress. Oftentimes, you'll be going through the 00:05:05.160 --> 00:05:07.819 stress, and you'll think that you're all alone, 00:05:07.879 --> 00:05:10.959 and you'll just open up at happy hour, and you 00:05:10.959 --> 00:05:13.399 just start talking about it, and this person, 00:05:13.439 --> 00:05:15.360 you're in a meeting with them, they're so confident, 00:05:15.800 --> 00:05:20.060 just speaking with total authority, you go to 00:05:20.060 --> 00:05:24.000 happy hour, and you get this completely other 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:27.879 human side of the, I didn't even know what I 00:05:27.879 --> 00:05:31.399 was talking about, or the imposter syndrome shows 00:05:31.399 --> 00:05:36.480 up. But it is funny too. We've talked several 00:05:36.480 --> 00:05:38.920 times about the Denning -Kruger effect where 00:05:38.920 --> 00:05:44.379 the people with only a minimal amount of understanding 00:05:44.379 --> 00:05:47.040 can speak with so much authority and make such 00:05:47.040 --> 00:05:51.339 decisive recommendations and move forward that 00:05:51.339 --> 00:05:53.980 they don't know enough to be a fucking right. 00:05:54.480 --> 00:05:57.019 And it also is not costing them any mind space. 00:05:58.519 --> 00:06:00.800 It is interesting because I do think this idea 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:03.839 of the ability to have that replay is invaluable, 00:06:04.180 --> 00:06:07.000 whether it's after the fact or whether it's in 00:06:07.000 --> 00:06:10.439 advance of a difficult conversation or an important 00:06:10.439 --> 00:06:13.399 negotiation. It's good that we can kind of do 00:06:13.399 --> 00:06:16.420 some shadow boxing and we can do a little bit 00:06:16.420 --> 00:06:21.060 of practice, but there is a point, right, at 00:06:21.060 --> 00:06:25.079 which all we're doing now is burning cycles and 00:06:25.079 --> 00:06:29.089 we're not making, there's no throughput. There 00:06:29.089 --> 00:06:35.750 also ends up being a body -mind disconnect. I 00:06:35.750 --> 00:06:41.269 believe that most of us are very, very confident 00:06:41.269 --> 00:06:44.970 that our mind is very congruent with our body. 00:06:45.509 --> 00:06:48.769 But I just don't think the older I get, the more 00:06:48.769 --> 00:06:51.350 I think we just think we are. And sometimes we 00:06:51.350 --> 00:06:53.889 are and sometimes we're not. But it's like that 00:06:53.889 --> 00:06:57.310 last 5 % where you're off. Yeah. And you're in, 00:06:57.310 --> 00:06:59.670 you know, you're in a meeting, you felt fear, 00:06:59.670 --> 00:07:04.689 right? Or felt some, some sort of imminent threat. 00:07:04.889 --> 00:07:09.990 Yeah. Then you historically gave that a thought 00:07:09.990 --> 00:07:14.149 and then you feed that thought and really it 00:07:14.149 --> 00:07:16.810 could be something completely different. Or you 00:07:16.810 --> 00:07:19.889 just misunderstand, you misread the room. Wait. 00:07:20.110 --> 00:07:22.329 Yeah. Have you ever, have you ever, have you 00:07:22.329 --> 00:07:24.670 ever had a time where you just completely misread 00:07:24.670 --> 00:07:28.610 the room? and just went completely dark and then 00:07:28.610 --> 00:07:35.930 we're like, oh, I was just in my... Frightening, 00:07:36.089 --> 00:07:39.709 right? But it's true. I mean, the best case is 00:07:39.709 --> 00:07:43.290 we just keep our own counsel when we're so in 00:07:43.290 --> 00:07:48.370 our head versus coming out with it and trying 00:07:48.370 --> 00:07:51.776 to explain away problems that don't exist or... 00:07:51.769 --> 00:07:55.129 to try to argue a position that the other side's 00:07:55.129 --> 00:07:59.050 not arguing against. I think it's visible when 00:07:59.050 --> 00:08:02.370 people are stuck around the axle of something. 00:08:03.870 --> 00:08:05.750 It's hard to know when we're doing it though 00:08:05.750 --> 00:08:13.269 because we're so much in the thick of it. I was 00:08:13.269 --> 00:08:15.810 gonna ask, I think a lot of our listeners are 00:08:15.810 --> 00:08:21.209 familiar with this, that wasted energy and the 00:08:22.689 --> 00:08:24.889 Working through a problem that's not a problem, 00:08:25.129 --> 00:08:28.990 therefore there's not a solution. Any, any thoughts 00:08:28.990 --> 00:08:31.790 on strategies to kind of break this? Cause it 00:08:31.790 --> 00:08:33.789 can be, it can be a vicious cycle. It can be 00:08:33.789 --> 00:08:37.129 fatiguing. It can, it can prevent you from taking 00:08:37.129 --> 00:08:40.690 action because it's a bit of analysis paralysis. 00:08:41.870 --> 00:08:45.769 Yeah. I mean, I think it comes down to really 00:08:45.769 --> 00:08:49.690 quite simply, you have to play both sides. Like 00:08:49.690 --> 00:08:52.090 when our, when we ruminate, we're almost always 00:08:52.090 --> 00:08:54.429 ruminating in one direction. You don't ever ruminate 00:08:54.429 --> 00:08:58.970 in, oh, you know, it's, look, the, you know, 00:08:59.009 --> 00:09:01.350 I like that. I was trying to come up with an 00:09:01.350 --> 00:09:03.490 analogy and I just failed miserably. But, but 00:09:03.490 --> 00:09:05.750 I'm just thinking of like, we don't sit, we sit 00:09:05.750 --> 00:09:08.250 and ruminate on the negative. And oftentimes 00:09:08.250 --> 00:09:13.210 we don't sit and say, hey, you know, maybe, maybe 00:09:13.210 --> 00:09:16.110 we got caught off guard at work. Right. But also 00:09:16.110 --> 00:09:18.820 maybe, maybe. You know, the other side of that 00:09:18.820 --> 00:09:22.360 is we're, we're not supported, right. Or don't 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:24.919 have enough resources. Right. So we don't, we 00:09:24.919 --> 00:09:26.960 don't play both sides. And so your mind doesn't 00:09:26.960 --> 00:09:29.340 have a way out if it's just stuck, stuck in the 00:09:29.340 --> 00:09:35.539 red. I'll say for my part, Chris, that when it's, 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:38.200 when it's a material thing that I do think needs 00:09:38.200 --> 00:09:41.940 to be resolved, you know, or it's a conversation 00:09:41.940 --> 00:09:44.139 that is going to happen or a task that has to 00:09:44.139 --> 00:09:47.320 be completed. Oftentimes, my rumination makes 00:09:47.320 --> 00:09:49.620 it so much bigger than it is. And so my only 00:09:49.620 --> 00:09:54.519 real escape is to put pen to paper. And it's 00:09:54.519 --> 00:09:58.460 not even a keyboard exercise. Sometimes it's 00:09:58.460 --> 00:10:01.139 a pro con list, to your point about playing both 00:10:01.139 --> 00:10:04.159 sides, right? Just so I can see it more objectively. 00:10:06.220 --> 00:10:08.500 And much like we all think we're multitaskers, 00:10:08.580 --> 00:10:10.980 I think we all fancy that we can turn a problem 00:10:10.980 --> 00:10:14.649 in our head and look at it objectively. Um, until 00:10:14.649 --> 00:10:18.190 it hits paper, I really can't start to see it 00:10:18.190 --> 00:10:21.210 in an objective way. Yeah. Um, the other piece 00:10:21.210 --> 00:10:23.690 of that too, is that often what I'm picturing 00:10:23.690 --> 00:10:28.009 is an entire conversation and all the many ways 00:10:28.009 --> 00:10:31.070 that it could go or has gone instead of what 00:10:31.070 --> 00:10:35.110 was the heart of what that entire exchange is 00:10:35.110 --> 00:10:39.110 about or will be about. And I get back to this 00:10:39.110 --> 00:10:41.570 idea of to break that painful rumination cycle 00:10:41.570 --> 00:10:45.279 that paralyzes us, putting it on paper lets us 00:10:45.279 --> 00:10:48.379 start to explore it. Sometimes it's bullet lists, 00:10:48.639 --> 00:10:53.080 frankly, you know? Well, for sure. Like many, 00:10:53.299 --> 00:10:55.379 I'm quick to oversubscribe. Of course I'll do 00:10:55.379 --> 00:10:57.500 that. Let me get that to you today. And then 00:10:57.500 --> 00:11:01.039 I realize there's only one of me and I plan to 00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:04.639 go to bed at some point tonight. So task lists 00:11:04.639 --> 00:11:07.039 are really powerful, but even those pro -con 00:11:07.039 --> 00:11:09.820 lists are starting to just... break it down into 00:11:09.820 --> 00:11:12.179 what are the big ideas around a conversation 00:11:12.179 --> 00:11:14.919 so I can look at them? I don't know if you use 00:11:14.919 --> 00:11:18.980 any of those. You tend to use more tech tools 00:11:18.980 --> 00:11:23.899 than I do, but maybe, does process help for you, 00:11:24.039 --> 00:11:27.120 or is it equally effective for you to use some 00:11:27.120 --> 00:11:29.779 of these different technology tools? I mean, 00:11:29.779 --> 00:11:31.720 it's always better when I write with my hand. 00:11:31.860 --> 00:11:35.759 It always is. The weird thing that I do, which 00:11:35.759 --> 00:11:39.279 I'm not necessarily proud of, is that sometimes 00:11:39.279 --> 00:11:41.320 when you ruminate and you just want to be in 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:43.759 a bad mood because you just want to be in a bad 00:11:43.759 --> 00:11:45.820 mood, like nothing's worse than that, right? 00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:50.139 Yeah, right. I mean, and, you know, there is 00:11:50.139 --> 00:11:54.200 some corollaries with work where it's like this 00:11:54.200 --> 00:11:56.139 work just sucks, but I'm just going to continue 00:11:56.139 --> 00:11:59.740 to do the sucky work, right? And I don't know 00:11:59.740 --> 00:12:02.639 why. I wish I could say, oh, this is because 00:12:02.639 --> 00:12:05.840 of XYZ. I don't think that that's necessarily 00:12:05.840 --> 00:12:09.570 true. But I would say - Get a therapist on here 00:12:09.570 --> 00:12:12.250 with us one day and have - I know. Figure out 00:12:12.250 --> 00:12:14.370 what the hell's wrong with this. Maybe it's only 00:12:14.370 --> 00:12:19.649 - When I do journal and I do write, I generally 00:12:19.649 --> 00:12:23.610 do a five whys. That has been the most helpful 00:12:23.610 --> 00:12:27.370 for me. And I generally do a third person question 00:12:27.370 --> 00:12:31.929 like, why, Chris, why do you? Like even in third 00:12:31.929 --> 00:12:33.889 person, because it does something funky with 00:12:33.889 --> 00:12:36.940 my head. Yeah. And I answer in first person, 00:12:37.200 --> 00:12:39.559 I do da, da, da, da, da, and then I go back to 00:12:39.559 --> 00:12:42.200 third person. I found that that has actually 00:12:42.200 --> 00:12:46.379 been very helpful when I, when I do want to get 00:12:46.379 --> 00:12:50.700 out of some major funks because that, that again, 00:12:52.580 --> 00:12:55.100 we, I think at first blush, sometimes we think 00:12:55.100 --> 00:12:57.399 that that original rumination that's got us spinning 00:12:57.399 --> 00:13:00.299 is the real thing. And really it's something 00:13:00.299 --> 00:13:03.399 that could have happened decades ago. And we 00:13:03.399 --> 00:13:08.820 don't even know. Those five whys are powerful 00:13:08.820 --> 00:13:13.320 and in the spirit of process debt, it takes a 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:17.379 toll. There is a cost for letting these things 00:13:17.379 --> 00:13:21.419 just kind of run away with us. I remember a conversation 00:13:21.419 --> 00:13:25.639 just a couple months ago and the punchline was, 00:13:26.460 --> 00:13:29.330 these ideas are not necessarily reality. You 00:13:29.330 --> 00:13:31.389 know, you don't have to subscribe or believe 00:13:31.389 --> 00:13:34.090 every idea that passes through your mind. You 00:13:34.090 --> 00:13:36.490 think sometimes when we're in a funk and I just 00:13:36.490 --> 00:13:40.110 want to have a bad day, let me sit here and swim 00:13:40.110 --> 00:13:42.889 in it. You know, we don't always appreciate there's 00:13:42.889 --> 00:13:46.190 a cost associated with something in it because 00:13:46.190 --> 00:13:51.529 it can warp our outlook. And I would say you 00:13:51.529 --> 00:13:55.870 taught me or told me a saying probably about 00:13:55.870 --> 00:13:59.420 a year ago, which is clarity is kindness. And 00:13:59.420 --> 00:14:01.879 oftentimes, oftentimes we're ruminating, like 00:14:01.879 --> 00:14:04.200 we're just stuck in a process because we're unclear. 00:14:04.559 --> 00:14:06.440 And that doesn't matter if it's stuck in our 00:14:06.440 --> 00:14:10.399 head or at our work in our day job. Now the problem 00:14:10.399 --> 00:14:14.480 can be getting clarity sometimes is painful because 00:14:14.480 --> 00:14:16.840 that means that we've got to, if it's in our 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:18.639 head, we've got to go to some dark places and 00:14:18.639 --> 00:14:21.799 maybe we don't want to do that. If it's in our 00:14:21.799 --> 00:14:24.820 job, we got to admit that we don't know how to 00:14:24.820 --> 00:14:26.679 do something that someone thinks that we should. 00:14:27.860 --> 00:14:33.360 or something like that. I love that that stayed 00:14:33.360 --> 00:14:38.259 with you. Sometimes we try to be nice and we 00:14:38.259 --> 00:14:40.360 do that more for others than we do to ourselves, 00:14:40.399 --> 00:14:43.620 right? And so that kindness is something that 00:14:43.620 --> 00:14:48.240 we also deserve. So getting out of the mystic 00:14:48.240 --> 00:14:51.720 funkiness of a rumination cycle is a really good 00:14:51.720 --> 00:14:55.019 way to be kind to ourselves. For sure. So how 00:14:55.019 --> 00:14:59.500 do we kill the process dead of personal rumination? 00:15:01.080 --> 00:15:05.559 Writing? Yeah. Writing, and at some point calling 00:15:05.559 --> 00:15:09.220 enough enough, right? I think so, yeah. I think 00:15:09.220 --> 00:15:14.720 the other thing that's super powerful is to go 00:15:14.720 --> 00:15:18.840 grab a walk and put some music on or put on a 00:15:18.840 --> 00:15:22.639 book or a podcast. Yep. That physical exercise 00:15:22.639 --> 00:15:25.559 sometimes loosens up, not just the chemistry, 00:15:25.759 --> 00:15:30.379 but also some of the log jam in the brain. The 00:15:30.379 --> 00:15:34.419 other thought was like autonomy is another one. 00:15:34.580 --> 00:15:38.639 Like, what can you control? And what do you not 00:15:38.639 --> 00:15:42.419 have control over? And getting really clear on 00:15:42.419 --> 00:15:44.919 what's yours to own, right? Like, I think especially 00:15:44.919 --> 00:15:48.450 if you're responsible, I tend to... Lean towards 00:15:48.450 --> 00:15:50.909 being over responsible for stuff that I don't 00:15:50.909 --> 00:15:54.070 have any authority over. Yeah, and that doesn't 00:15:54.070 --> 00:15:58.370 necessarily help I'm on the going for a walk 00:15:58.370 --> 00:16:02.450 thing. Yeah Complete sidebar off topic. You never 00:16:02.450 --> 00:16:05.750 do this. Oh, no never I am but I'm reading a 00:16:05.750 --> 00:16:09.210 book on EMDR. Do you know what that is? Is this 00:16:09.210 --> 00:16:15.759 the the visual I yeah, it's the I E I motorization 00:16:15.759 --> 00:16:19.220 desensitization something. Yeah. Yeah, but it's 00:16:19.220 --> 00:16:23.740 basically it's It's this thing that this lady 00:16:23.740 --> 00:16:26.919 kind of discovered for people with PTSD I'm gonna 00:16:26.919 --> 00:16:28.639 think that that's another reason why I kind of 00:16:28.639 --> 00:16:30.100 thought of this as I've been listening to this 00:16:30.100 --> 00:16:33.259 book But it talked about how you know in in when 00:16:33.259 --> 00:16:37.179 in sleep and REM like we have my movement But 00:16:37.179 --> 00:16:39.220 she was dealing with some kind of crazy stuff 00:16:39.220 --> 00:16:42.899 at work. She was ruminating And what she did 00:16:42.899 --> 00:16:44.720 is she went out for a walk and she was just looking 00:16:44.720 --> 00:16:47.600 around, right? And she was, she was a psychologist. 00:16:47.679 --> 00:16:50.120 So she's, she thinks about how she thinks a lot. 00:16:50.139 --> 00:16:52.600 Yeah. Yeah. She's out just looking and just kind 00:16:52.600 --> 00:16:56.059 of looking just on a trail. And afterwards she's 00:16:56.059 --> 00:16:57.960 like, wait a sec, that went from like an intensity 00:16:57.960 --> 00:17:02.440 of 10, you know, down to like a three. And she 00:17:02.440 --> 00:17:04.220 was just like, what happened? So then she started 00:17:04.220 --> 00:17:07.400 playing with just these eye movements. Yeah. 00:17:07.460 --> 00:17:11.759 And, and, and so it is, you know, getting outside. 00:17:11.950 --> 00:17:15.289 looking around, like giving your brain, like 00:17:15.289 --> 00:17:18.630 getting out of our cubicle cage. Our cubicle. 00:17:19.109 --> 00:17:25.269 Dude, right? So great. Yeah, even though we're 00:17:25.269 --> 00:17:28.069 not physically exhausted, I think sometimes our 00:17:28.069 --> 00:17:31.049 mental or emotional buffers are full and we have 00:17:31.049 --> 00:17:33.390 to get up and move and flush them out. Yeah, 00:17:33.470 --> 00:17:36.009 well a lot of times work is just unclear. Yeah. 00:17:36.240 --> 00:17:39.839 So every day is a new adventure where you're 00:17:39.839 --> 00:17:43.000 navigating the social hierarchy of work, and 00:17:43.000 --> 00:17:46.579 the actual deliverable of what you're delivering 00:17:46.579 --> 00:17:50.440 can be nebulous, can be an email, could be a 00:17:50.440 --> 00:17:58.599 meeting that is here and then gone. Yeah, maybe 00:17:58.599 --> 00:18:02.509 it may be affected. Absolutely. So cool. Well, 00:18:02.890 --> 00:18:04.710 mission and I hope I hope folks take nothing 00:18:04.710 --> 00:18:07.150 if nothing else away from this. It's permission 00:18:07.150 --> 00:18:09.250 to recognize that we all suffer from a little 00:18:09.250 --> 00:18:12.589 bit of ruminate. Yep. Well, absolutely near 120. 00:18:13.309 --> 00:18:15.529 So yeah, ruminate, but get out of it. That's 00:18:15.529 --> 00:18:18.130 it. Get out of it. Move on. Don't hold yourself 00:18:18.130 --> 00:18:20.230 back. Thanks, sir. Love it. All right. Have a 00:18:20.230 --> 00:18:21.329 good one. See ya.