WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.040 Hey, what's up, Toby? We have made it to another 00:00:03.040 --> 00:00:10.480 week and we're remote today. Hey, we are freewheeling 00:00:10.480 --> 00:00:14.320 totally untethered from the desk and I'm watching 00:00:14.320 --> 00:00:17.800 clouds roll across the sky where I'm at from 00:00:17.800 --> 00:00:21.879 calling in from my go anywhere truck. Nice. So 00:00:21.879 --> 00:00:25.420 you're on the road. I'm parked actually at my 00:00:25.420 --> 00:00:28.500 folks place. in southern Idaho, visiting some 00:00:28.500 --> 00:00:31.620 family this week, doing a little stuff just for 00:00:31.620 --> 00:00:37.520 me. Nice. I love it, man. I am I am remote calling 00:00:37.520 --> 00:00:39.799 from Boise, Idaho. So we're both in the same 00:00:39.799 --> 00:00:43.780 state today. It's good stuff. I like it. Usually 00:00:43.780 --> 00:00:47.039 you are you are Eastern, but let's let's focus 00:00:47.039 --> 00:00:50.299 on the topic. So today's topic is, you know, 00:00:50.299 --> 00:00:52.899 we talk about corporate debt from a purse from 00:00:52.899 --> 00:01:02.079 a big pitch. Yeah, the world of process debt. 00:01:02.299 --> 00:01:06.840 Chris, I think I lost you. I don't know who's 00:01:06.840 --> 00:01:09.719 getting recorded, but I'll continue until either 00:01:09.719 --> 00:01:13.959 I rejoin or you rejoin. But we talk a lot about 00:01:13.959 --> 00:01:17.439 our work lives and the process that we experience. 00:01:18.219 --> 00:01:22.299 But there's also the notion of some personal 00:01:22.299 --> 00:01:26.420 debt. And I think it shows up not just in the 00:01:26.420 --> 00:01:29.280 relationships, right? These take time. We have 00:01:29.280 --> 00:01:31.920 to make them perform, but I think, you know, 00:01:31.920 --> 00:01:33.859 we often call them habits. We don't think about 00:01:33.859 --> 00:01:37.019 it as our daily process. And so, you and I had 00:01:37.019 --> 00:01:39.219 to be out of the office and kind of addressing 00:01:39.219 --> 00:01:41.359 what are some of those social things, the things 00:01:41.359 --> 00:01:45.260 that are just for us. And that little bit of, 00:01:45.640 --> 00:01:47.040 you know, you're not going to call it balance 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:49.480 because there's no balance in this world, but 00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:53.739 I think it's about prioritization. And, you know, 00:01:53.900 --> 00:01:58.209 much like unmanaged debt, we also have... Relationships 00:01:58.209 --> 00:02:00.390 we have some self -care that we have to inject 00:02:00.390 --> 00:02:04.170 every now and then So no, isn't that isn't that 00:02:04.170 --> 00:02:07.409 true? Like I what's interesting is, you know 00:02:07.409 --> 00:02:13.509 I've been I have been going too hard and and 00:02:13.509 --> 00:02:17.870 have not been focused and And it just feels like 00:02:17.870 --> 00:02:20.590 everything in the world is suffering Isn't it 00:02:20.590 --> 00:02:23.030 crazy how that happens? It's like a it's like 00:02:23.030 --> 00:02:25.189 a tidal wave. We see it coming. It's generally 00:02:25.189 --> 00:02:28.830 a real surprise Yeah, got away. You just got 00:02:28.830 --> 00:02:31.449 away last weekend I think for a camping trip 00:02:31.449 --> 00:02:33.090 a hiking trip didn't you with your daughter was 00:02:33.090 --> 00:02:35.650 that two weeks ago? Yeah, you know what's what's 00:02:35.650 --> 00:02:38.949 interesting is I went last week and I got home 00:02:38.949 --> 00:02:48.030 and I was just in awe of Life it was very interesting 00:02:48.030 --> 00:02:51.009 like I got I got away from the cubicle Yeah, 00:02:51.009 --> 00:02:53.389 I went up into nature. We you know, my daughter 00:02:53.389 --> 00:02:56.939 and I we went Too far, too fast, we took a wrong 00:02:56.939 --> 00:03:02.560 turn. I had three terrible nights of sleep in 00:03:02.560 --> 00:03:06.580 the woods. Of course. And yet I got home and 00:03:06.580 --> 00:03:09.300 I literally could not sleep because I felt alive. 00:03:09.759 --> 00:03:13.740 It was fascinating. I love that, brother. Isn't 00:03:13.740 --> 00:03:17.879 it magical when we unplug for more than just 00:03:17.879 --> 00:03:20.560 the eight hours of sleep at night? We're not 00:03:20.560 --> 00:03:22.599 staring at screens all the time. Yeah, yeah. 00:03:23.800 --> 00:03:26.020 Had and then what our experience and I think 00:03:26.020 --> 00:03:28.259 some of it too is altitude, you know I'd live 00:03:28.259 --> 00:03:30.879 at sea level over in the Portland, Oregon area 00:03:30.879 --> 00:03:34.360 Yeah, I spent the weekend up in McCall Idaho 00:03:34.360 --> 00:03:38.659 and about yeah thousand feet and So that air 00:03:38.659 --> 00:03:41.240 smells fresher. There's a different quality to 00:03:41.240 --> 00:03:44.740 the light, you know, yeah at night Yeah, dark 00:03:44.740 --> 00:03:50.240 dark. I'm sure you felt that same way. Hi Yes, 00:03:50.780 --> 00:03:56.240 totally What the the one the one interesting 00:03:56.240 --> 00:04:00.139 thing is like so I went away I felt alive over 00:04:00.139 --> 00:04:04.259 the weekend and This what's interesting is this 00:04:04.259 --> 00:04:10.659 week has just ground me up And and I'm not not 00:04:10.659 --> 00:04:14.759 exactly like it's almost like we it's almost 00:04:14.759 --> 00:04:18.939 like I'm I'm addicted to the craziness and I 00:04:18.939 --> 00:04:25.620 just need to I just need to mentally figure out, 00:04:26.199 --> 00:04:28.620 like mentally just figure out what I'm doing, 00:04:29.319 --> 00:04:32.319 where I'm headed, choose and go. It's easy. I 00:04:32.319 --> 00:04:36.079 think when you, when you combine a versatile 00:04:36.079 --> 00:04:39.279 skillset with an insatiable curiosity about the 00:04:39.279 --> 00:04:42.100 world, there's never any reason to slow down 00:04:42.100 --> 00:04:43.740 or stop because there's always one more thing 00:04:43.740 --> 00:04:48.660 to throw your energy at. And, um, you know, and 00:04:48.660 --> 00:04:52.120 again, back to the dead in general. that's kind 00:04:52.120 --> 00:04:55.439 of an attention deficit. We're spread so thin 00:04:55.439 --> 00:04:59.660 across so many things that it gets fatiguing. 00:04:59.779 --> 00:05:01.620 We forget that drinking out of the fire hose 00:05:01.620 --> 00:05:06.500 all the time has consequences or switching between 00:05:06.500 --> 00:05:09.439 work and life. Chris, as you were saying that, 00:05:09.480 --> 00:05:12.319 it made me think about folks that at this stage 00:05:12.319 --> 00:05:14.889 of our careers, late forties and fifties, We 00:05:14.889 --> 00:05:17.449 have a number of coworkers that have become good 00:05:17.449 --> 00:05:20.589 friends that might be 15 or 20 years our senior 00:05:20.589 --> 00:05:23.610 and watching them move into retirement. You know, 00:05:23.750 --> 00:05:25.689 some folks are saying, Oh my God, I'm busier 00:05:25.689 --> 00:05:29.209 than ever. And others are saying, I got to go 00:05:29.209 --> 00:05:31.949 back to work. I don't know what to do with Quicksilver. 00:05:31.949 --> 00:05:36.029 And so at least for my part, having spent a couple 00:05:36.029 --> 00:05:39.689 of days offline and just out on a lake, looking 00:05:39.689 --> 00:05:42.410 at these mountains and thinking, I have not a 00:05:42.410 --> 00:05:45.639 blessed thing to do for the next afternoon or 00:05:45.639 --> 00:05:48.839 whatever the case is, but maybe grill. Big obligation, 00:05:48.860 --> 00:05:53.480 I'm going to have to grill. But I thought, you 00:05:53.480 --> 00:05:55.959 know, when people talk about balance, I think 00:05:55.959 --> 00:05:59.300 it's assumed that it magically happens and that 00:05:59.300 --> 00:06:02.319 the workplace is going to drive that. When in 00:06:02.319 --> 00:06:05.040 fact, just like processed debt, those are things 00:06:05.040 --> 00:06:07.899 that go unserviced until you arrive at a place 00:06:07.899 --> 00:06:15.379 of priority. And at least for me, Especially, 00:06:16.420 --> 00:06:19.000 I've got some fun stuff. I have a nephew's wedding 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:21.420 this weekend. I'm excited to go see and celebrate 00:06:21.420 --> 00:06:24.540 with them. But this last few days has just made 00:06:24.540 --> 00:06:27.639 it so concrete that if I prioritize the things 00:06:27.639 --> 00:06:31.120 that matter, this is unserviced, emotional, social, 00:06:31.319 --> 00:06:34.180 relational debt. It's going to have a consequence. 00:06:34.600 --> 00:06:41.949 Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What what's interesting, 00:06:41.970 --> 00:06:43.550 you know, you're like you're saying those things 00:06:43.550 --> 00:06:45.970 and I'm just sitting here thinking like what's 00:06:45.970 --> 00:06:50.610 the principle Like what is what is the thing 00:06:50.610 --> 00:06:54.209 that you can pay down? that reduces the debt 00:06:54.209 --> 00:06:58.170 and Yet I look I look at my week and I'm like 00:06:58.170 --> 00:07:01.709 I wasn't focused on the principle boy, I was 00:07:01.709 --> 00:07:05.110 focused on only the interest payment and Then 00:07:05.110 --> 00:07:06.850 at the end of the week at the end of the week. 00:07:06.850 --> 00:07:09.120 I'm sitting, you know, you know At the end of 00:07:09.120 --> 00:07:10.980 the week, I'm thinking, what did I pay down? 00:07:11.379 --> 00:07:15.100 And I'm like, nothing. That feeling of all we're 00:07:15.100 --> 00:07:17.040 doing is trying to hit the tennis balls back 00:07:17.040 --> 00:07:21.439 over the net, right? And when we're in that reactionary 00:07:21.439 --> 00:07:24.480 mode, it's not what we plan to do Friday afternoon, 00:07:24.480 --> 00:07:25.980 going into the weekend. It's not even what we 00:07:25.980 --> 00:07:27.920 plan to do driving into the office Monday morning 00:07:27.920 --> 00:07:31.600 or logging into your office Monday morning. But 00:07:31.600 --> 00:07:34.259 when all you do is react to all these things 00:07:34.259 --> 00:07:37.220 coming at you, it's exhausting. I think on two 00:07:37.220 --> 00:07:39.699 levels, one, We know there's bigger fish to fry. 00:07:39.879 --> 00:07:41.399 There's principal payments that we're supposed 00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:44.720 to be making to move the work forward, but we're 00:07:44.720 --> 00:07:47.620 caught up in the thick of thin things. But when 00:07:47.620 --> 00:07:49.839 I show up and say, hey, I have three critical 00:07:49.839 --> 00:07:53.459 things to do this week, that brings such a different 00:07:53.459 --> 00:07:56.139 level of focus or, and maybe this is true for 00:07:56.139 --> 00:07:58.040 you, Chris, when I'm like, I'm getting out of 00:07:58.040 --> 00:08:03.480 town Thursday at three, magically. I am the most 00:08:03.480 --> 00:08:06.720 efficient monster and trade -off decision -maker 00:08:06.720 --> 00:08:09.860 all day long Thursday Like that kind of laser 00:08:09.860 --> 00:08:13.899 focus coupled with with me time. Yeah, I turn 00:08:13.899 --> 00:08:16.500 into it I turn into a really efficient beast 00:08:16.500 --> 00:08:18.060 and print. Yeah. Yeah, let's are just getting 00:08:18.060 --> 00:08:23.699 knocked out left and right So, yeah Yeah Yeah, 00:08:23.699 --> 00:08:28.079 yeah Yeah, it's it's interesting cuz like I just 00:08:28.079 --> 00:08:30.279 sit in here thinking about my week and I'm like 00:08:30.560 --> 00:08:33.419 What would have been different, you know, obviously 00:08:33.419 --> 00:08:36.759 you take some time off the work doesn't the the 00:08:36.759 --> 00:08:40.759 demands the demands pile up but that doesn't 00:08:40.759 --> 00:08:44.240 necessarily mean that those demands are all equal 00:08:44.240 --> 00:08:47.919 and You know, I bet you if I you know, I bet 00:08:47.919 --> 00:08:52.700 you the key is like if I spent Okay, five minutes 00:08:52.700 --> 00:08:55.159 just saying look this is my priority and this 00:08:55.159 --> 00:08:59.740 is what I can do well this week Like what a difference 00:08:59.740 --> 00:09:03.000 that would have made instead of you know me and 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:08.480 me actively engaging and Just burning myself 00:09:08.480 --> 00:09:14.440 down It's a bit of a change of thinking a paradox 00:09:14.440 --> 00:09:20.750 ship there You know, whatever my earnings are, 00:09:21.009 --> 00:09:24.370 build a lifestyle that is 70%. And that other 00:09:24.370 --> 00:09:28.029 30%. No, you're back. You sell off for a little 00:09:28.029 --> 00:09:30.429 bit, but you're back. And we were having this 00:09:30.429 --> 00:09:33.769 conversation about, you know, if you were to 00:09:33.769 --> 00:09:36.370 turn on a radio station and all it was doing 00:09:36.370 --> 00:09:39.870 was blaring at you without any white space, how 00:09:39.870 --> 00:09:42.909 do you, how do you distinguish the notes? How 00:09:42.909 --> 00:09:44.590 do you actually hear the music? It's just so 00:09:44.590 --> 00:09:48.590 much noise. And so As we're having this conversation, 00:09:48.590 --> 00:09:50.269 I started thinking about it. I thought, how am 00:09:50.269 --> 00:09:53.570 I budgeting my time? You know, it's okay to work 00:09:53.570 --> 00:09:59.690 very effectively 70 % of the time. If I put a 00:09:59.690 --> 00:10:02.269 little bit of white space between me and a demand, 00:10:03.210 --> 00:10:05.269 half the time it disappears because it's somebody 00:10:05.269 --> 00:10:08.370 else being frantic and freaking out. And then 00:10:08.370 --> 00:10:09.950 when they take a moment, they no longer have 00:10:09.950 --> 00:10:13.360 a demand of me. And so this idea of like Creating 00:10:13.360 --> 00:10:15.919 a little bit of white space spread letting things 00:10:15.919 --> 00:10:18.120 just kind of evolve a little bit and not always 00:10:18.120 --> 00:10:21.379 being so responsive Maybe that's that principle 00:10:21.379 --> 00:10:25.360 right is to take a beat or two and stay focused 00:10:25.360 --> 00:10:36.519 on our priorities as you mentioned Yeah Yeah 00:10:36.519 --> 00:11:03.860 Yeah Amen. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, 00:11:03.899 --> 00:11:06.039 it's you know, I've heard this before, but you 00:11:06.039 --> 00:11:08.279 know, someone and I can't quote who had said 00:11:08.279 --> 00:11:09.779 because, you know, again, this is the remote 00:11:09.779 --> 00:11:12.870 the remote version. You know a process that we 00:11:12.870 --> 00:11:15.330 are not going to return to the office We're gonna 00:11:15.330 --> 00:11:17.289 do this wherever wherever the hell we want to 00:11:17.289 --> 00:11:20.370 but I was just thinking of like amen We we forget 00:11:20.370 --> 00:11:23.129 up we forget often times that we are not human 00:11:23.129 --> 00:11:25.769 doings, right? It's where we are human beings 00:11:25.769 --> 00:11:30.789 and part of that being is We were made to rest 00:11:30.789 --> 00:11:35.210 on any of it That's a that's a tough one and 00:11:35.210 --> 00:11:37.950 that's that's so critical for us to just sit 00:11:37.950 --> 00:11:43.779 back Take that time or ourselves so that when 00:11:43.779 --> 00:11:47.840 we are full of life like when we when we are 00:11:47.840 --> 00:11:51.879 rested We can do the work because like nothing's 00:11:51.879 --> 00:11:55.700 more satisfying than a little bit of challenging 00:11:55.700 --> 00:11:58.279 work That's just a slightly above your skill 00:11:58.279 --> 00:12:01.259 set So you gotta you gotta you gotta figure it 00:12:01.259 --> 00:12:03.399 out because nothing is more better. Nothing's 00:12:03.399 --> 00:12:13.360 better than that Yeah, yeah Say yeah Well said 00:12:13.360 --> 00:12:18.340 because you're not in either Yeah, I love it. 00:12:18.340 --> 00:12:21.779 Thank you, sir. Yeah. No for sure. I love it 00:12:21.779 --> 00:12:23.559 Yeah, thank you. And thank you to all of our 00:12:23.559 --> 00:12:46.460 listeners. All right. Yeah 100 % Yeah Yeah Yeah, 00:12:46.500 --> 00:12:49.620 like just it's simple as be with yourself or 00:12:49.620 --> 00:12:53.240 be with your work, but don't be in both places 00:12:53.240 --> 00:13:01.139 Yeah, all right, man Yes, absolutely. Well, we 00:13:01.139 --> 00:13:03.299 made it we made it through another one. Thanks. 00:13:03.340 --> 00:13:06.820 Thanks for grinding with me, man All right, talk 00:13:06.820 --> 00:13:10.440 to you soon Yeah I'm in.