WEBVTT 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:03.660 Hey, what's up, Toby? It is Friday morning. It 00:00:03.660 --> 00:00:07.099 is the Processed Debt podcast and today's topic. 00:00:07.639 --> 00:00:10.980 You ready for it? Are you going to be able to 00:00:10.980 --> 00:00:12.560 handle this one? It's a good one. I'll bring 00:00:12.560 --> 00:00:18.820 it, baby. Is your work homeless? Is your work 00:00:18.820 --> 00:00:23.059 on the street begging for change? That would 00:00:23.059 --> 00:00:25.820 explain why I can't find the dog ate my assignment 00:00:25.820 --> 00:00:29.120 kind of. Outcomes here. Is your work homeless? 00:00:29.179 --> 00:00:31.760 Say more about that. It's an interesting framing, 00:00:32.159 --> 00:00:35.000 Chris. What does your work live? If I was to 00:00:35.000 --> 00:00:39.479 say, hey Togi, where does your work live? Right. 00:00:39.939 --> 00:00:42.500 Scattered across half a dozen apps and email, 00:00:43.159 --> 00:00:46.359 right? Plus my notepads and my post -it notes 00:00:46.359 --> 00:00:49.000 of reminder. Correct. Correct. And where does 00:00:49.000 --> 00:00:56.060 your team's work live? Unfortunately, a rhetorical 00:00:56.060 --> 00:00:58.799 question. You're like, maybe in Microsoft Teams? 00:00:59.020 --> 00:01:03.420 Can I answer Teams? Will that be right? Teams 00:01:03.420 --> 00:01:07.920 for 500, Alex. Yeah. That's going to be a slippery 00:01:07.920 --> 00:01:10.299 one. Well, Chris, you make a really good point. 00:01:10.739 --> 00:01:14.680 It's not very discoverable if it's wandering 00:01:14.680 --> 00:01:18.959 the virtual streets of our organization. Correct. 00:01:22.310 --> 00:01:24.209 It's very interesting. Like I've been thinking 00:01:24.209 --> 00:01:25.870 about this a lot because I'm like, where does 00:01:25.870 --> 00:01:29.849 my work live? Like, and if I was, if I was just, 00:01:29.849 --> 00:01:31.750 you know, get hit by a bus or win the lottery 00:01:31.750 --> 00:01:35.109 or whatever, like how would someone come in and 00:01:35.109 --> 00:01:37.329 just pull my, like come in on day one and be 00:01:37.329 --> 00:01:39.090 like, well, what is, what work does Chris do? 00:01:39.849 --> 00:01:42.430 Right. Yeah. And, and, you know, we've all been 00:01:42.430 --> 00:01:44.129 there. Like it's been our first day on the job 00:01:44.129 --> 00:01:48.670 or first day of my gig. And that first day is 00:01:48.670 --> 00:01:50.450 like, all right, well, let's go through, through 00:01:50.450 --> 00:01:54.159 some formalized training. That has nothing to 00:01:54.159 --> 00:01:59.239 do very little of its tactical Yep, and then 00:01:59.239 --> 00:02:01.680 the farther away it feels like the farther away 00:02:01.680 --> 00:02:05.040 you get from your dev org and a standard like 00:02:05.040 --> 00:02:10.319 a standard Deliverable cycle the more the work 00:02:10.319 --> 00:02:12.759 just lives in people's brain and it lives in 00:02:12.759 --> 00:02:17.539 right now and it lives in Slack it lives in teams 00:02:17.539 --> 00:02:21.419 it lives in PowerPoints You know, Chris, I think 00:02:21.419 --> 00:02:25.060 that that is the, in some small part, drives 00:02:25.060 --> 00:02:28.180 the executive fantasy of these ERP systems, whether 00:02:28.180 --> 00:02:31.599 it's truly an ERP or it's, this is our industry 00:02:31.599 --> 00:02:33.699 standard solution that everybody in our business 00:02:33.699 --> 00:02:36.919 uses. The idea that there's a room for everything 00:02:36.919 --> 00:02:40.139 and everything has a room, you know, the promise 00:02:40.139 --> 00:02:45.960 of that is alluring. Yeah. We just don't function 00:02:45.960 --> 00:02:48.240 that way. It's hard for me to come over to your 00:02:48.240 --> 00:02:50.599 house and cook dinner when I don't know where 00:02:50.599 --> 00:02:52.560 the pots and pans are and I don't know where 00:02:52.560 --> 00:02:54.659 the silverware is. And so it doesn't matter how 00:02:54.659 --> 00:02:56.639 many times you tell me, if it's not intuitive, 00:02:57.240 --> 00:02:59.099 it's hard to cook in your kitchen the same way 00:02:59.099 --> 00:03:02.400 it's hard to organize myself into your shared 00:03:02.400 --> 00:03:06.240 drive lodge. Yeah. Isn't that interesting? Because 00:03:06.240 --> 00:03:08.460 you know, like I may know how to cook a burger. 00:03:09.080 --> 00:03:11.719 Right. But I mean, I do not know how to cook 00:03:11.719 --> 00:03:14.530 a burger at your house. That's it. Maybe I can 00:03:14.530 --> 00:03:19.090 figure out your grill, you know? Can I find the 00:03:19.090 --> 00:03:23.069 spatulas? Can I find the... No, it's really true. 00:03:23.250 --> 00:03:25.449 And I think to your point about homeless, you 00:03:25.449 --> 00:03:28.710 know, unless we're feeling like we've moved in 00:03:28.710 --> 00:03:30.610 and we get to arrange the furniture a little 00:03:30.610 --> 00:03:36.729 bit, you know? Have you had, you mentioned development 00:03:36.729 --> 00:03:39.370 teams and you and I've talked a lot about how 00:03:39.370 --> 00:03:41.939 development teams... have an expectation of kind 00:03:41.939 --> 00:03:44.500 of working in the public square and putting things 00:03:44.500 --> 00:03:50.099 in a repository. Oh, it's fascinating. I don't 00:03:50.099 --> 00:03:52.280 think the business could live like the dev work 00:03:52.280 --> 00:03:55.960 does because the computer is doing the hundreds 00:03:55.960 --> 00:03:58.860 or millions of repeatable things without complaining. 00:04:00.740 --> 00:04:03.680 But the magic in what a developer does is that 00:04:03.680 --> 00:04:05.939 the software that they write does the hundreds 00:04:05.939 --> 00:04:09.159 or millions or trillions of things without complaining. 00:04:09.689 --> 00:04:12.650 And we as humans, if we do three things in a 00:04:12.650 --> 00:04:19.449 row, we're... Yeah, so large batch jobs, that's 00:04:19.449 --> 00:04:21.910 when we go to heavier weight software. Yeah, 00:04:22.050 --> 00:04:25.069 it's correct. Or the fact that they've got a 00:04:25.069 --> 00:04:27.350 read -me, right? They've got a read -me file. 00:04:28.110 --> 00:04:30.250 They basically, before they put something into 00:04:30.250 --> 00:04:33.189 production, it has to go through a staging test, 00:04:33.269 --> 00:04:37.639 and it has to be tested. and then it goes into 00:04:37.639 --> 00:04:41.220 production. We were talking about this earlier, 00:04:41.439 --> 00:04:44.839 you can roll that back if it doesn't work. You 00:04:44.839 --> 00:04:47.939 were talking prior to kicking this off, I've 00:04:47.939 --> 00:04:50.339 never had a process rollback ever in my career, 00:04:50.779 --> 00:04:55.519 ever. What's more likely to happen is I find 00:04:55.519 --> 00:04:58.459 out that I'm not doing a process that I'm supposed 00:04:58.459 --> 00:05:01.759 to be doing. You're like, where did this come 00:05:01.759 --> 00:05:05.779 from? This is who put bits in my silverware drawer, 00:05:05.779 --> 00:05:10.420 right? What our spices go? Yeah. Yeah, so much 00:05:10.420 --> 00:05:18.879 of it ends up being this like this Almost Tribal 00:05:18.879 --> 00:05:25.279 knowledge me Yeah of What you're supposed like 00:05:25.279 --> 00:05:28.860 what you're supposed to do? Yeah, but it's not 00:05:28.860 --> 00:05:33.230 it's not it's not deliberate I think one of the 00:05:33.230 --> 00:05:36.129 things you're touching on is there's how things 00:05:36.129 --> 00:05:39.430 work, right? And if we're not putting it in code, 00:05:40.350 --> 00:05:42.430 then we're trying to think about how do we make 00:05:42.430 --> 00:05:44.930 a process repeatable? But then we have the work 00:05:44.930 --> 00:05:47.490 of things or the transactional data that has 00:05:47.490 --> 00:05:51.829 to move through a series of process stuff. And 00:05:51.829 --> 00:05:53.689 I don't know that we always do a good job of 00:05:53.689 --> 00:05:57.649 keeping those two things clean. And so the commingled... 00:05:57.839 --> 00:06:00.560 certainly for new players coming in, they may 00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:04.519 not understand what is about the process of doing 00:06:04.519 --> 00:06:07.079 work versus what's the data or what's the deliverable 00:06:07.079 --> 00:06:09.939 they're producing. It really does get murky. 00:06:10.600 --> 00:06:12.819 So much of my work as a financial analyst years 00:06:12.819 --> 00:06:16.500 ago was about one -off deliverables. It wasn't 00:06:16.500 --> 00:06:19.459 about managing transactions and running them 00:06:19.459 --> 00:06:22.439 through payment. It was about looking at the 00:06:22.439 --> 00:06:24.439 business and working on the business. So how 00:06:24.439 --> 00:06:27.779 you hold that information, is kind of irrelevant, 00:06:28.339 --> 00:06:31.680 but oftentimes it means if you and I are doing 00:06:31.680 --> 00:06:34.199 similar work, we may choose to keep very different 00:06:34.199 --> 00:06:38.319 hierarchies, you know, and it's just what's logical 00:06:38.319 --> 00:06:41.779 in our brains. So, yeah, park it on the couch 00:06:41.779 --> 00:06:45.660 of whatever's handy. And it works and it works 00:06:45.660 --> 00:06:48.339 for sole proprietors. Like if we're doing our 00:06:48.339 --> 00:06:51.300 own little thing, like it doesn't matter, right? 00:06:51.339 --> 00:06:53.699 But like you go back to your kitchen analogy. 00:06:54.310 --> 00:06:58.550 I come over to your house and I try to cook my 00:06:58.550 --> 00:07:02.269 family a dinner. It's not going to work. Whereas 00:07:02.269 --> 00:07:05.449 if you go to a kitchen, like a corporate kitchen, 00:07:05.470 --> 00:07:09.230 they can feed a ton of people at lunch and dinner. 00:07:10.129 --> 00:07:13.990 Truly. Yeah, it's interesting. Even in Airbnb 00:07:13.990 --> 00:07:18.149 for the weekend, there's no rhyme or reason to 00:07:18.149 --> 00:07:20.269 how they've organized it. It made sense to the 00:07:20.269 --> 00:07:22.170 homeowner or whoever's managing the property. 00:07:22.290 --> 00:07:26.870 That's how they've set her up. And so, Lee, he 00:07:26.870 --> 00:07:28.750 got to lean into it, just kind of let it go. 00:07:29.129 --> 00:07:30.410 We don't want to keep that in our day -to -day 00:07:30.410 --> 00:07:33.790 work life. Yeah, and I think the reason why, 00:07:33.790 --> 00:07:35.930 you know, homelessness may or may not be the 00:07:35.930 --> 00:07:39.810 right term here. Maybe it's completely wrong, 00:07:40.089 --> 00:07:43.410 but the point that I was trying to kind of get 00:07:43.410 --> 00:07:46.129 at is, like if you're in a production system, 00:07:47.329 --> 00:07:50.529 there are bins that you go and you pull a screw 00:07:50.529 --> 00:07:53.100 out to put in... put the screw with the nut, 00:07:53.259 --> 00:07:55.920 right? And so there's places, there's always 00:07:55.920 --> 00:07:58.939 places for things, right? So even going back 00:07:58.939 --> 00:08:02.079 to the kitchen analogy, right? If you go to your 00:08:02.079 --> 00:08:04.620 home kitchen or the Airbnb or whatever kitchen, 00:08:04.839 --> 00:08:07.420 they're all going to be set up differently. But 00:08:07.420 --> 00:08:10.000 if you have some sort of throughput that's required 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:14.279 and you go to a corporate kitchen, not that they're 00:08:14.279 --> 00:08:16.990 all going to be designed the same way, because 00:08:16.990 --> 00:08:18.629 they're going to be totally different, unless 00:08:18.629 --> 00:08:21.930 it's a McDonald's that's built the same way. 00:08:23.430 --> 00:08:28.870 But everything has its place. And everything 00:08:28.870 --> 00:08:32.850 has a start, has a middle, and it has an end. 00:08:34.409 --> 00:08:36.269 And what's interesting is if you think about 00:08:36.269 --> 00:08:38.190 McDonald's, my son worked there for a long time. 00:08:38.690 --> 00:08:42.009 It's a lot of people's first job. But it's the 00:08:42.009 --> 00:08:45.080 fact that you can take someone and put them in 00:08:45.080 --> 00:08:48.720 the process, in the area where everything has 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:52.039 its home, everything can be pulled from, and 00:08:52.039 --> 00:08:56.679 you can serve thousands of people in a day. What's 00:08:56.679 --> 00:09:00.059 interesting about that, Chris, is that the process 00:09:00.059 --> 00:09:04.240 is about the transactions. The process there 00:09:04.240 --> 00:09:07.039 is the production of burgers. You're not trying 00:09:07.039 --> 00:09:09.559 to optimize it. You're not second guessing how 00:09:09.559 --> 00:09:12.429 fries are cooked. Right. You come in and your 00:09:12.429 --> 00:09:14.529 job is to understand how that process works. 00:09:14.730 --> 00:09:16.789 And I think so often this idea of homelessness 00:09:16.789 --> 00:09:23.549 is that we feel like we have a degree of latitude 00:09:23.549 --> 00:09:27.149 when we show up and absent tactical direction, 00:09:27.710 --> 00:09:29.809 we just start to kind of make up what seems intuitive 00:09:29.809 --> 00:09:34.490 to us. Correct. And or you're looking for signals 00:09:34.490 --> 00:09:37.529 from your coworkers on what's getting rewarded. 00:09:38.129 --> 00:09:44.789 Yeah. you're following that reward and creating 00:09:44.789 --> 00:09:49.029 chaos, right? So one of like a, one of, and chaos 00:09:49.029 --> 00:09:51.149 is probably too strong a word, but you're literally 00:09:51.149 --> 00:09:57.210 going into a, you're looking at a PowerPoint 00:09:57.210 --> 00:10:00.049 and you're making it prettier and prettier is 00:10:00.049 --> 00:10:04.470 winning on decision -making. But do you really 00:10:04.470 --> 00:10:09.919 want to make decisions on pretty? Right. And 00:10:09.919 --> 00:10:12.600 we you know, we buy if something's prettier we 00:10:12.600 --> 00:10:15.480 will like it more and That doesn't mean that 00:10:15.480 --> 00:10:18.460 that's the best business decision like financials 00:10:18.460 --> 00:10:20.720 are not pretty but they're pretty much the same 00:10:20.720 --> 00:10:24.919 Right. Yes. Yes There's that there's a structural 00:10:24.919 --> 00:10:27.080 piece and I think so much of this conversation 00:10:27.080 --> 00:10:31.100 gets at the idea to me of Is our goal pretty 00:10:31.100 --> 00:10:34.340 you know, yeah, well consistent or is our goal 00:10:34.340 --> 00:10:38.200 just about? Seeing the shared value in the adoption 00:10:38.649 --> 00:10:41.309 You know, good matter other, if we all agree 00:10:41.309 --> 00:10:43.590 that silverware belongs in the drawer immediately 00:10:43.590 --> 00:10:47.230 to the right of the stove, then never guess where 00:10:47.230 --> 00:10:49.509 to go find the silverware. Or if we always know 00:10:49.509 --> 00:10:52.169 where to find, you know, the most recent analysis 00:10:52.169 --> 00:10:55.610 that's been performed or the appease, you know, 00:10:55.710 --> 00:10:57.970 the standard operating procedure, then we eliminate 00:10:57.970 --> 00:11:00.950 a lot of the chasing. Then I guess that's like 00:11:00.950 --> 00:11:04.129 that's the root of it is like we are constantly 00:11:04.129 --> 00:11:06.769 like because we don't have Oftentimes, you don't 00:11:06.769 --> 00:11:08.870 have a team or corporate like this is where you 00:11:08.870 --> 00:11:12.350 go, right? Because like in any organizations, 00:11:12.350 --> 00:11:15.389 you're gonna go to SharePoint You might go to 00:11:15.389 --> 00:11:18.090 confluence. You might go to some other application. 00:11:18.149 --> 00:11:22.529 You might go to some internal Wiki. Yeah, and 00:11:22.529 --> 00:11:26.399 and even even those often times those internal 00:11:26.399 --> 00:11:28.440 applications like SharePoint, like I've made 00:11:28.440 --> 00:11:30.919 a joke all the time, like it's, it's hard to 00:11:30.919 --> 00:11:33.480 share and no one gets the point. Like, it's like, 00:11:33.779 --> 00:11:38.259 it's really hard. It's a powerful tool. Yes. 00:11:38.519 --> 00:11:41.019 Unless you give it structure and unless you give 00:11:41.019 --> 00:11:42.980 it, unless you have discipline and unless you 00:11:42.980 --> 00:11:44.440 say, hey, look, we're going to put a stake in 00:11:44.440 --> 00:11:48.360 the ground and do one thing well, then people 00:11:48.360 --> 00:11:51.299 are doing 12 things poorly. And it just ends 00:11:51.299 --> 00:11:55.360 up not working. So what's the solution here? 00:11:57.159 --> 00:11:59.220 Even if we step back into the solution for a 00:11:59.220 --> 00:12:02.179 second, I think the outcome that I want of giving 00:12:02.179 --> 00:12:04.919 work a home is making it more readily discoverable. 00:12:05.419 --> 00:12:07.440 If I've already done the work, I would love to 00:12:07.440 --> 00:12:09.799 be able to leverage it. I'd love for you to be 00:12:09.799 --> 00:12:12.019 able to find it when I'm on vacation or home 00:12:12.019 --> 00:12:15.980 school or playing hooky. I don't want to be pestered. 00:12:15.980 --> 00:12:18.179 I want to make it easy for somebody else to pick 00:12:18.179 --> 00:12:22.399 it up and move it forward. And so, yeah, discoverable 00:12:22.399 --> 00:12:25.120 is at the heart of it. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, 00:12:25.980 --> 00:12:27.519 so what is the solution? What's your thoughts? 00:12:28.059 --> 00:12:30.480 I think you gotta, I think you gotta clean your 00:12:30.480 --> 00:12:33.980 room first. Like you gotta clean your own home. 00:12:34.659 --> 00:12:40.340 And this is, you know, like, or hire someone 00:12:40.340 --> 00:12:43.080 to come clean your home if you've got the budget. 00:12:44.879 --> 00:12:51.120 Whatever your budget might allow. Yeah. One of 00:12:51.120 --> 00:12:53.559 the things that I've been focusing on is how 00:12:53.559 --> 00:12:56.299 do I focus on a project instead of a task? Because 00:12:56.299 --> 00:12:59.259 my brain doesn't know the difference. But I get 00:12:59.259 --> 00:13:02.779 significantly more value out of my work, and 00:13:02.779 --> 00:13:06.279 I provide more significant value to my customers 00:13:06.279 --> 00:13:10.559 if I focus on a project versus a task. And I 00:13:10.559 --> 00:13:13.080 wish I had a really great solution on what that 00:13:13.080 --> 00:13:15.840 would look like. I don't have it yet. But I do 00:13:15.840 --> 00:13:18.519 think that like some of, some of these, this 00:13:18.519 --> 00:13:20.940 thinking is helping me think about that and where 00:13:20.940 --> 00:13:24.399 I have to be able to collect the tactical. Yeah. 00:13:24.620 --> 00:13:27.820 But that ends up being distractible, which I 00:13:27.820 --> 00:13:29.460 was trying to make up a word there, but I don't 00:13:29.460 --> 00:13:32.879 know if I was distract a goal. Just anyway, do 00:13:32.879 --> 00:13:36.679 your work. Yeah. Yeah. But like, if I'm working 00:13:36.679 --> 00:13:38.820 on a project, I don't want to be distracted by 00:13:38.820 --> 00:13:41.299 the tactical. I just want to work on the project. 00:13:41.340 --> 00:13:43.320 And most of the time, like, human beings, we 00:13:43.320 --> 00:13:45.840 are so flipping flexible, we can figure out almost 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:48.779 anything if we can just get started and if we 00:13:48.779 --> 00:13:52.159 can not be distracted. Yeah. Well, in that point 00:13:52.159 --> 00:13:55.399 of if we can get started, there's nothing worse 00:13:55.399 --> 00:13:59.019 than being told it's out on the blank storage, 00:14:00.200 --> 00:14:03.919 right? Yeah. And it becomes a fool's errand. 00:14:04.139 --> 00:14:06.919 And so, you know, the real risk is a productivity 00:14:06.919 --> 00:14:09.840 risk. Yeah. It's jamming us up trying to get 00:14:09.840 --> 00:14:13.730 into flow. Yeah. the fewer decisions we have 00:14:13.730 --> 00:14:17.570 to make, the more mind space we have for the 00:14:17.570 --> 00:14:20.789 problems we want to solve. So this idea of chasing 00:14:20.789 --> 00:14:25.009 work around, I love the idea of homeless. It's 00:14:25.009 --> 00:14:26.909 like trying to find somebody to deliver mail. 00:14:27.610 --> 00:14:30.470 It's really just grasping for straws, trying 00:14:30.470 --> 00:14:34.309 to figure out what's next. And I think if we 00:14:34.309 --> 00:14:36.830 were to truly be honest, I think that's a lot 00:14:36.830 --> 00:14:39.399 of what our days are. Because we're looking for 00:14:39.399 --> 00:14:43.759 that social signal for what's important. And 00:14:43.759 --> 00:14:46.539 we're trying to intuit towards what that should 00:14:46.539 --> 00:14:49.899 be, instead of being explicit and saying, look, 00:14:49.919 --> 00:14:52.759 how can I do my job better? How can I communicate 00:14:52.759 --> 00:14:54.500 to you? Because my communication style might 00:14:54.500 --> 00:14:59.639 be different. How can I make this thing work? 00:15:00.120 --> 00:15:03.860 Clarity, ownership, accountability, all those 00:15:03.860 --> 00:15:08.960 things make it clear. work can actually be more 00:15:08.960 --> 00:15:12.919 enjoyable. That's a really interesting idea. 00:15:13.259 --> 00:15:15.980 If we did one thing, it was to give a manager 00:15:15.980 --> 00:15:19.320 level resource responsibility for naming the 00:15:19.320 --> 00:15:24.620 organizational schema. How do we hold our tools? 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:27.840 How do we hold our information? If we were the 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:30.840 keeper of that instead of introducing some random 00:15:30.840 --> 00:15:33.440 guy to do corporate data governance, which never 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:37.529 makes sense outside. Outside of like data modeling 00:15:37.529 --> 00:15:41.309 But that's really that's that's that person to 00:15:41.309 --> 00:15:44.789 be on on point for calling calling around that 00:15:44.789 --> 00:15:47.070 Keep her organized and help us be productive 00:15:47.070 --> 00:15:50.070 Yeah, and I think you do have to be able to you 00:15:50.070 --> 00:15:52.590 have to be able to clean your room first Yeah, 00:15:52.990 --> 00:15:55.190 and that's and there's actually that's actually 00:15:55.190 --> 00:15:59.110 as an IC you have to have a cleaner Yeah, and 00:15:59.110 --> 00:16:01.110 I I'd love to say that my rooms clean all the 00:16:01.110 --> 00:16:03.950 time. It's just on but I think I think as a manager 00:16:04.009 --> 00:16:07.190 I think as a manager, you have to expect, you 00:16:07.190 --> 00:16:09.970 have to expect a clean room. And I think the 00:16:09.970 --> 00:16:13.009 easiest way as a manager is you just, if you're 00:16:13.009 --> 00:16:16.629 running a scrum team and you have a daily standup, 00:16:16.929 --> 00:16:19.610 hand it off to someone else to run it. You'll 00:16:19.610 --> 00:16:22.009 find that people do stuff significantly different 00:16:22.009 --> 00:16:23.870 than you do and you'll be shocked every single 00:16:23.870 --> 00:16:28.049 time. Why'd you click that button? Well, that's 00:16:28.049 --> 00:16:29.669 because that's how I do it. You're like, well, 00:16:29.669 --> 00:16:31.830 there's a better way to do it. Or, oh, I never 00:16:31.830 --> 00:16:35.149 saw that. Like, how often are you in a tool and 00:16:35.149 --> 00:16:39.570 you're like, it does what? Great. A hundred percent. 00:16:39.750 --> 00:16:41.590 That's not how I do it. That's not how I've done 00:16:41.590 --> 00:16:43.629 it for 20 years, but you just showed me something 00:16:43.629 --> 00:16:46.909 totally different. Like all those Excel quick 00:16:46.909 --> 00:16:56.149 keys. Alt E does some? No. Chris, I love this 00:16:56.149 --> 00:16:59.549 conversation and the idea of just being a little 00:16:59.549 --> 00:17:02.409 bit more transparent, right? Somebody needs to 00:17:02.409 --> 00:17:05.750 be the owner. Yeah. It doesn't have to be you 00:17:05.750 --> 00:17:08.410 and then make the owner responsible for keeping 00:17:08.410 --> 00:17:11.589 a clean room. And I think if I think if your 00:17:11.589 --> 00:17:14.950 rooms are clean, right, you have a junk drawer 00:17:14.950 --> 00:17:17.410 and that junk drawer is made for junk and you 00:17:17.410 --> 00:17:19.009 don't really need to care about that. You hide 00:17:19.009 --> 00:17:21.250 it or your kids have a dirty room, but that's 00:17:21.250 --> 00:17:23.069 their room and they can do whatever they do. 00:17:23.069 --> 00:17:26.190 But like, as long as you can keep your mental 00:17:26.190 --> 00:17:31.240 ram clean and pull in the work. and make a nice 00:17:31.240 --> 00:17:36.180 delicious burger that you enjoy or come over 00:17:36.180 --> 00:17:38.660 and work with, like ask for things, you know, 00:17:38.779 --> 00:17:41.680 where are we at in the kitchen? Make some nice 00:17:41.680 --> 00:17:44.660 food, enjoy it together, because I do think knowledge 00:17:44.660 --> 00:17:47.940 work can be incredibly satisfying. Yeah. But 00:17:47.940 --> 00:17:52.000 it can't be if your home's a mess. Well said. 00:17:53.039 --> 00:17:54.980 All right. Thanks, man. Another good session. 00:17:55.299 --> 00:17:57.720 All right. Have a good week, buddy. Your kitchen 00:17:57.720 --> 00:17:58.799 time. All right. See you.