1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,400 Hey everyone and welcome back for another deep dive with us. 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:05,120 Today, we're gonna be looking at something 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,600 that's pretty controversial, even for the world of MMA. 4 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:09,800 Oh yeah. 5 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:12,960 And that is the persistent steroid allegations 6 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:15,000 surrounding Paulo Costa. 7 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:16,220 So we've got this article here called 8 00:00:16,220 --> 00:00:18,720 Paulo Costa and Steroid Allegations, 9 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:20,360 separating fact from fiction. 10 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:21,200 Okay. 11 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:22,800 And that's what we're gonna be trying to do today. 12 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:23,620 Right. 13 00:00:23,620 --> 00:00:25,240 You know, separate fact from fiction. 14 00:00:25,240 --> 00:00:26,640 We're gonna look at all the evidence, 15 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,760 trying to understand, you know, how muscles actually grow. 16 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:31,000 Yeah, the science behind it. 17 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:31,840 Exactly. 18 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:33,520 And of course, you know, talk about the ethics 19 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:37,680 of performance enhancing drugs in a sport as intense as MMA. 20 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:39,520 Yeah, definitely a lot to unpack there. 21 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:40,360 Absolutely. 22 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:41,180 Right. 23 00:00:41,180 --> 00:00:42,240 And if you're interested in learning more 24 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:43,960 about topics like this, 25 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,400 you can visit our website at publichealthlaw.net. 26 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,000 Definitely a great resource. 27 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:49,800 So to kick things off, I mean, Costa's case, 28 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:51,520 it really highlights, you know, 29 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,320 this age old problem in combat sports. 30 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:55,920 It's this drive to be the best, 31 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:57,560 to get that edge over your opponent, 32 00:00:57,560 --> 00:00:59,520 even if it means breaking the rules. 33 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:01,040 Yeah, you hit the nail on the head there. 34 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:02,560 It's like this constant pressure 35 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:04,440 to be bigger, stronger, faster. 36 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:05,280 Right. 37 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,040 And that can lead some athletes down a dangerous path. 38 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:09,160 For sure. 39 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,720 And the article actually takes us through, you know, 40 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,240 a brief history of steroid use in MMA. 41 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,800 And some of the names that have popped up over the years 42 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:18,480 are pretty shocking. 43 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,080 We're talking legends like John Jones, 44 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,320 Anderson Silva, even Brock Lesnar. 45 00:01:24,320 --> 00:01:27,240 It's crazy to think about how those cases 46 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,240 really rocked the sport. 47 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:30,080 They did. 48 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:31,480 They tarnished reputations, 49 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,600 made people question the integrity of the whole thing. 50 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:35,440 Yeah. 51 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:37,800 And that's kind of what led the UFC to partner with USADA 52 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,720 and introduce these really strict drug testing protocols. 53 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:41,560 Right. 54 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:42,720 It was a huge step in the right direction 55 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:44,280 trying to level the playing field. 56 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:45,600 For sure. 57 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,800 But even with all these measures in place, 58 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:49,680 the whispers still swirl. 59 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:51,680 Especially when you have a fighter like Costa, 60 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,680 whose physique is, well, let's just say 61 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:55,680 it's pretty eye-catching. 62 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:57,000 Yeah, you can't deny that. 63 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:58,360 He's incredibly muscular. 64 00:01:58,360 --> 00:01:59,280 He is. 65 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,880 And the article talks about his impressive wins 66 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,440 against guys like Yoel Romero and Uriah Hall. 67 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:06,440 Yeah, those are some amazing fights. 68 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:07,560 Intense. 69 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:09,680 And his fighting style, 70 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,640 it's all about aggression and raw power. 71 00:02:13,640 --> 00:02:14,840 Makes sense when you see him. 72 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:15,960 Right. 73 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:17,360 But the question everyone's asking is, 74 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:19,520 is it natural power, 75 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:20,960 or is there something more going on? 76 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:22,760 It's the million dollar question, isn't it? 77 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:23,600 It is. 78 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:25,160 And it's a question that a lot of fans, 79 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,520 and even the media, especially on social media, 80 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:28,680 are quick to answer, 81 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:30,520 without really looking at all the facts. 82 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,440 Social media can be a breeding ground for speculation. 83 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:34,280 Oh, absolutely. 84 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,760 You see Costa with those muscles, 85 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,400 the veins popping out, what they call vascularity, 86 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:41,360 and people instantly jump to comparisons 87 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,000 with known steroid users. 88 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,320 It's like everyone's suddenly a medical expert. 89 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,280 It's armchair eskortese at its finest. 90 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:49,560 But the article makes it very clear 91 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,240 that as of right now, there's nothing official. 92 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:52,080 Okay. 93 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:53,080 No failed drug tests. 94 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:54,440 No statements from authorities. 95 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:56,000 Just a lot of chatter online. 96 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:57,440 So just speculation at this point. 97 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:58,280 Exactly. 98 00:02:58,280 --> 00:02:59,600 And that brings us to USADA, 99 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,280 the agency that's become like the watchdog for the UFC. 100 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:03,120 Right. 101 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:04,760 They're the ones responsible for all the drug testing. 102 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:05,600 They are. 103 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:07,400 And since 2015, 104 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:11,280 they've implemented this super rigorous testing program. 105 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:12,280 Super strict. 106 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:13,400 Super strict. 107 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,240 Every fighter, including Costa, 108 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,800 is subject to random tests anytime, anyplace. 109 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:19,640 Wow. 110 00:03:19,640 --> 00:03:21,360 So they could get tested at any moment? 111 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,360 Literally any moment. 112 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:24,520 It's pretty intense. 113 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:26,600 That's gotta be nerve wracking for the fighters. 114 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:27,480 Oh, I'm sure it is. 115 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:28,320 Yeah. 116 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,320 But it's necessary to keep things fair 117 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:32,640 and protect the integrity of the sport. 118 00:03:32,640 --> 00:03:33,840 Yeah, definitely. 119 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,840 But okay, let's address the elf in the room. 120 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,400 Costa did have that temporary suspension back in 2019. 121 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:41,240 Oh, right. 122 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:42,360 I remember that. 123 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:43,560 What's that all about again? 124 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,360 So it wasn't actually for steroids. 125 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:46,200 Oh, okay. 126 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,280 He got in trouble for using an IV 127 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:50,080 to rehydrate after a weigh-in. 128 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:51,320 Ah. 129 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:52,880 Which is against USADA's rules. 130 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:53,720 Right. 131 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:55,960 But it doesn't necessarily mean he was using PEDs. 132 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:57,680 So more of a procedural violation? 133 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:58,520 Exactly. 134 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:00,360 Technicality, but not proof of guilt. 135 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:01,200 Makes sense. 136 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:02,520 And what about Costa himself? 137 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,400 How has he responded to all these allegations? 138 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,080 I'd be pretty frustrated if I were him. 139 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:06,920 Oh, I'm sure he is. 140 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:08,200 Well, the article actually quotes him 141 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,000 from a 2020 interview where he says, 142 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:11,360 I've been tested many times. 143 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:12,480 I've never tested positive. 144 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:13,320 I'm clean. 145 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:14,240 I have nothing to hide. 146 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:15,080 Hmm. 147 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:16,360 Seems pretty straightforward. 148 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,080 He doesn't stop there. 149 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:19,640 He even goes on to challenge anyone 150 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,000 spreading these rumors to actually provide 151 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,960 some real evidence instead of just speculating 152 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:26,440 based on his appearance. 153 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,480 Yeah, you can understand his frustration. 154 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:29,280 Totally. 155 00:04:29,280 --> 00:04:32,040 Imagine dedicating your life to this sport 156 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:33,960 creating like crazy, and then people 157 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,640 try to discredit all your hard work just because they think 158 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:37,960 you look too good to be true. 159 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:39,600 It's like they're saying you can't achieve 160 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,680 that level of physique naturally. 161 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:42,680 Exactly. 162 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:44,600 And it makes you wonder, is this just a way 163 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,680 to try and diminish his accomplishments? 164 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,800 Like maybe some people are just genetically gifted 165 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:49,840 and work incredibly hard. 166 00:04:49,840 --> 00:04:50,480 Right. 167 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:52,520 It's a good reminder that judging someone solely 168 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,280 on their appearance can be very misleading. 169 00:04:55,280 --> 00:04:57,760 Absolutely, especially when you don't have all the facts. 170 00:04:57,760 --> 00:04:59,000 Definitely agree. 171 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,000 And that's where things get really interesting 172 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:02,760 because the article actually dives 173 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:06,240 into the science behind building a physique like Kostas. 174 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:07,560 Oh, that's interesting. 175 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:08,480 It is. 176 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:12,080 Is it actually possible to get that ripped naturally? 177 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:13,080 That's the big question. 178 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,280 Yeah, I'm curious to hear what the experts say. 179 00:05:15,280 --> 00:05:16,920 Well, the article presents arguments 180 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:20,840 from experts who believe that elite athletes, particularly 181 00:05:20,840 --> 00:05:23,760 those with the right genetics, can achieve 182 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,320 these incredible physiques without resorting 183 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:27,920 to anything illegal. 184 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:28,960 So it's possible? 185 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:29,560 It is. 186 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,960 It comes down to intense training, meticulously 187 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,040 planned nutrition, and just pushing your body 188 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:36,320 to its absolute limits. 189 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:37,600 Wow, that's dedication. 190 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:38,720 Serious dedication. 191 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:40,440 And you know, Kosta, he definitely 192 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,640 has access to top notch training and nutrition resources. 193 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:45,720 Right, he's a professional athlete after all. 194 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:46,440 Exactly. 195 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,900 But of course, there's always the other side of the argument. 196 00:05:48,900 --> 00:05:50,800 Some people point to Kosta's injuries, 197 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:52,240 like that torn bicep. 198 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:53,520 Oh, yeah, I remember. 199 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,760 And they say it could be a sign of overtraining or even using 200 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:58,560 steroids for faster healing. 201 00:05:58,560 --> 00:05:59,560 Wait, hold on. 202 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:00,640 Explain that a little bit. 203 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,160 Why would someone use steroids for an injury? 204 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,640 Well, some athletes believe that steroids can help them 205 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:07,800 recover quicker, which means they can get back 206 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:09,040 to training sooner. 207 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:10,240 Ah, I see. 208 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,160 But the article is careful to point out 209 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,680 that there's no concrete evidence linking Kosta's 210 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,080 injuries specifically to steroid use. 211 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:18,720 Right, it's just speculation. 212 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:19,520 Exactly. 213 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:21,920 Just another avenue for people to jump to conclusions. 214 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:23,520 So we're really in this gray area 215 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,680 where we have whispers and opinions, but no hard proof. 216 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:27,760 We do. 217 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:29,200 We've got circumstantial evidence, 218 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:32,840 but nothing that definitively says, yes, Paola Kosta 219 00:06:32,840 --> 00:06:34,240 is using steroids. 220 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:35,960 That's a tough situation to navigate. 221 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:39,680 It is, because on one hand, you have these athletes pushing 222 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,760 their bodies to the absolute extreme. 223 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:43,880 Right, achieving these insane feats 224 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:45,240 of strength and endurance. 225 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,880 And on the other hand, there's always that nagging suspicion. 226 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:49,640 That maybe something else is at play. 227 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:50,520 Exactly. 228 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:52,560 That maybe it's not just hard work and dedication. 229 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,480 It's fueled by the history of doping in sports. 230 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:57,320 The desire for a good story. 231 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:01,040 And sometimes, let's be honest, just plain old envy. 232 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:01,640 It's true. 233 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:02,560 Yeah. 234 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,280 But regardless of what's happening in Kosta's case 235 00:07:05,280 --> 00:07:09,000 specifically, I think the bigger question is this. 236 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,880 What are the ethical and health implications 237 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,000 of using steroids in a sport as brutal as MMA? 238 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:16,560 Yeah, that's a big one. 239 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,680 It is, and that's something we're going to dive into next. 240 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:19,320 It's important. 241 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,240 Because it's not just about getting an edge. 242 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:23,480 It's about fairness. 243 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:24,800 It's about safety. 244 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,160 Yeah, it's about the integrity of the sport as a whole. 245 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:27,960 Exactly. 246 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:29,480 The article really digs into this, 247 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:33,120 and it points out that using PEDs, 248 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,120 it raises some serious ethical concerns. 249 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:35,720 Oh, yeah. 250 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:37,880 Imagine stepping into the octagon 251 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,160 and knowing that your opponent might 252 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:41,640 have this artificial advantage. 253 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:43,000 It's a scary thought. 254 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:43,960 It is. 255 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,680 And not to mention the increased risk of getting hurt, 256 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:49,360 because they're able to push their body 257 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:50,440 beyond its natural limit. 258 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:50,960 Right. 259 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:52,800 We're talking about a sport where one punch can 260 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:53,880 change everything. 261 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:54,880 Literally. 262 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:56,320 It's already incredibly dangerous. 263 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:56,960 Yeah. 264 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,560 And then you throw PEDs into the mix, and it's just like. 265 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:00,960 It just amplifies the risk. 266 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:01,880 It does. 267 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:03,920 And it's not even just about the immediate dangers 268 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,040 of the fight. 269 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,320 The long-term health risks of steroid use are no joke. 270 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:10,360 No, they're not. 271 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,800 We're talking heart problems, liver damage, 272 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:14,440 messing with your hormones. 273 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:15,520 It's serious stuff. 274 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:16,480 It is. 275 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,720 It's a high price to pay for a potential edge in the ring. 276 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:21,720 It's like playing Russian roulette with your health. 277 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:22,240 Yeah. 278 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:23,520 And for what? 279 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:25,200 To maybe win a few more fights? 280 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:26,240 Doesn't seem worth it. 281 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:27,280 It really doesn't. 282 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,600 And that's why I think the UFC's crackdown on doping 283 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:31,440 is so important. 284 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:32,200 I agree. 285 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,160 It's not just about leveling the playing field. 286 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:35,600 It's about protecting the fighters. 287 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:36,560 Exactly. 288 00:08:36,560 --> 00:08:38,680 Protecting them from themselves, in a way. 289 00:08:38,680 --> 00:08:40,040 Yeah, I see what you mean. 290 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:41,560 So let's bring it back to Pala Costa. 291 00:08:41,560 --> 00:08:42,440 OK. 292 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,640 The article ultimately concludes that while those steroid 293 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,560 allegations are out there, there's no hard proof 294 00:08:48,560 --> 00:08:50,440 to actually back them up. 295 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:55,160 And his clean record with USADA, those random tests, 296 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:56,640 that definitely strengthens his case. 297 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:57,120 It does. 298 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:58,720 And we can't forget about the fact 299 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,760 that hard work, discipline, and good genes 300 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:03,680 can take you pretty far in any sport. 301 00:09:03,680 --> 00:09:04,280 Absolutely. 302 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:05,880 People often overlook those factors. 303 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:06,680 They do. 304 00:09:06,680 --> 00:09:09,440 It's easy to just assume that an incredible physique must 305 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,040 be the result of PEDs. 306 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:11,840 Right. 307 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,600 But we forget that some people are just genetically gifted 308 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,320 and incredibly dedicated to their training. 309 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:17,200 Exactly. 310 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,040 It's like we're so quick to jump to the most dramatic conclusion. 311 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:21,520 We are. 312 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:24,400 But in this case with Costa, it's 313 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:28,160 possible that his success is a result of natural ability 314 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:29,200 and hard work. 315 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,680 It's definitely within the realm of possibility. 316 00:09:31,680 --> 00:09:32,480 It is. 317 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,000 But of course, there's always a chance 318 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:36,440 that new information could come out. 319 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:36,960 Right. 320 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:38,640 Testing methods are always evolving. 321 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:39,240 That's true. 322 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:40,560 Who knows what the future holds. 323 00:09:40,560 --> 00:09:41,600 Exactly. 324 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:46,160 But as things stand right now, based on the available evidence, 325 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:49,400 the allegations against Costa are just the allegations. 326 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:49,920 Right. 327 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,680 We have to rely on facts and evidence. 328 00:09:52,680 --> 00:09:54,200 Not whispers and conjecture. 329 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:55,040 Exactly. 330 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:56,840 And that's especially important these days 331 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:58,240 with social media, you know. 332 00:09:58,240 --> 00:09:58,920 Oh my gosh. 333 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:00,080 Don't even get me started. 334 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,760 Misinformation can spread like wildfire. 335 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:03,760 It's insane. 336 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,960 So we have to be really careful to not get caught up 337 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:08,320 in the hype and the drama. 338 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:09,160 We do. 339 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:10,880 We have to be critical thinkers. 340 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,160 Look at the sources of information. 341 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:14,720 Consider the biases involved. 342 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:16,200 And demand evidence. 343 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:16,840 Exactly. 344 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:18,720 Don't just believe everything you read online. 345 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,440 Especially when it comes to something as serious as this. 346 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,240 Because, you know, these accusations, 347 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,240 whether they're true or not, they 348 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,320 have real world consequences for these athletes. 349 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:28,800 They do. 350 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:30,320 Their reputations are on the line. 351 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,000 Their careers can be impacted. 352 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,640 It can take a toll on their mental and emotional well-being. 353 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:40,840 It's easy to forget that behind those powerful physiques, 354 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,120 there are real people. 355 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:44,000 With real feeling. 356 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:44,840 And vulnerability. 357 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:45,800 Absolutely. 358 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:47,160 We can't dehumanize them. 359 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:48,440 We can't. 360 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,200 So I think in a situation like this, 361 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:54,440 we need to be cautious and avoid making judgments. 362 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:55,960 Based on speculation. 363 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:57,360 Or incomplete information. 364 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:57,920 I agree. 365 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:03,000 It's about finding that balance between acknowledging 366 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,360 that misconduct can happen. 367 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,080 And ensuring that athletes are treated fairly. 368 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:09,400 With the presumption of innocence 369 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:10,440 until proven guilty. 370 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:11,080 Exactly. 371 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,120 And I think ultimately it's about fostering 372 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,040 this culture of respect and fairness in sports. 373 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,280 Where we celebrate achievements and address allegations 374 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,400 responsibly and ethically. 375 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:22,200 I like that. 376 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,320 So after all this discussion, where do we land? 377 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:25,920 You know, the article ends with a question 378 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:27,280 that I thought was really thought provoking. 379 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:28,080 Oh, yeah. 380 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,720 Does the speculation surrounding Kostas Fizik 381 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:32,760 overshadow his actual achievements 382 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:34,280 and dedication to the sport? 383 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:35,320 That's a tough one. 384 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:36,760 It is. 385 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:38,360 And I don't think there's an easy answer. 386 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:38,880 No. 387 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:40,200 I don't think so either. 388 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,040 It forces us to really look inward. 389 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,440 To examine our own biases and assumptions 390 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,120 about physical prowess. 391 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:47,640 Right. 392 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:49,320 It's like, do we automatically assume 393 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,440 that anyone with an extraordinary physique 394 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:53,600 must be cheating? 395 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:57,200 Or can we accept that incredible results can be achieved 396 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:58,360 through natural means? 397 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,040 It's a tough question to grapple with. 398 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:00,520 It is. 399 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,760 It's like we're wrestling with our own perceptions 400 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:03,680 of athleticism. 401 00:12:03,680 --> 00:12:06,400 Trying to figure out where the line is between hard work 402 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:08,880 and potential foul play. 403 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,080 And in this case, with Paul Kosta, the line is blurry. 404 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:12,800 It is. 405 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:14,800 And the evidence is inconclusive. 406 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:16,960 But that doesn't mean the conversation stops here. 407 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:17,920 No, it doesn't. 408 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,400 And I think it's important to keep these conversations going. 409 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:21,120 I agree. 410 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:22,480 To encourage critical thinking. 411 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,760 And to promote responsible reporting and information 412 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:25,280 sharing. 413 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,920 Especially in a world where rumors can spread so quickly. 414 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:29,560 And have such a significant impact. 415 00:12:29,560 --> 00:12:30,480 They can. 416 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,040 So as we wrap up this deep dive, 417 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,560 I feel like we've uncovered more questions than answers. 418 00:12:35,560 --> 00:12:36,880 Yeah, it's been a journey. 419 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:40,600 It has, but maybe that's the point. 420 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,800 Maybe the goal is to get people thinking critically. 421 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:45,600 To challenge their own assumptions. 422 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,760 And to be more mindful of the impact their words 423 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:50,520 and opinions can have on others. 424 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:52,120 Especially in the digital age. 425 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:53,920 Especially in the digital age. 426 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,760 So I think the key takeaway here is this. 427 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,400 We need to be aware of the complexities. 428 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:00,400 The nuances. 429 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,240 And the potential for both good and bad 430 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:03,120 in the world of sports. 431 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:03,920 Definitely. 432 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,080 And if you're interested in exploring these kinds of topics 433 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:11,480 further, I encourage you to check out publichealthlaw.net. 434 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:13,640 It's a fantastic resource for anyone 435 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,840 interested in the legal and ethical dimensions 436 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:17,680 of public health. 437 00:13:17,680 --> 00:13:18,760 Absolutely. 438 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:20,880 And as we've seen today, those dimensions 439 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:22,680 can intersect with the world of sports 440 00:13:22,680 --> 00:13:25,040 in some really fascinating and complex ways. 441 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:25,640 They can. 442 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,640 So with that, I think we'll wrap up this episode 443 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:28,680 of the deep dive. 444 00:13:28,680 --> 00:13:29,800 Thanks for joining us. 445 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:31,080 Thanks for listening, everyone. 446 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:32,560 We hope you'll continue to think critically 447 00:13:32,560 --> 00:13:34,120 about the information you encounter. 448 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:35,520 Challenge your own assumptions. 449 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:40,760 And engage in respectful and informed conversations 450 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:44,320 about the complex issues facing the world of sports and beyond. 451 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:45,120 Until next time. 452 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:45,960 Stay curious. 453 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:46,640 Yeah. 454 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,080 You know, it's interesting, because we keep coming back 455 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,440 to this idea of perception and how it kind of plays 456 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,240 into this whole PED debate. 457 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,720 It's not just about the physical evidence. 458 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:57,240 Right. 459 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:02,360 It's about how we see these athletes, their bodies, 460 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:03,320 their achievements. 461 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:04,160 Yeah, you're right. 462 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:05,880 It's like this guilt by association thing, 463 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:07,600 where someone's physique automatically 464 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:08,640 makes them suspicious. 465 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:09,140 Right. 466 00:14:09,140 --> 00:14:10,280 And that's a slippery slope. 467 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:10,780 It is. 468 00:14:10,780 --> 00:14:13,520 It's like we've created this unrealistic standard 469 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:15,920 of what a natural athlete should look like. 470 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:16,440 Yeah. 471 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,280 And anyone who surpasses that standard 472 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,600 is immediately like, oh, they must be cheating. 473 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:21,640 It's crazy. 474 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:23,920 We've forgotten that genetics play a huge role. 475 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:24,800 Huge. 476 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,800 Some people are just predisposed to build muscle easier. 477 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:28,160 Right. 478 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:29,640 It's not something they can control. 479 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:31,640 And then you have to factor in dedication. 480 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:33,760 Some athletes just push themselves harder, 481 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:35,000 train smarter. 482 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,400 They have access to resources that most of us 483 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:39,480 can only dream of. 484 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:40,360 Right. 485 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,280 Top tier trainers, nutritionists. 486 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:42,800 Exactly. 487 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,400 All of that contributes to building an impressive physique. 488 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:47,600 It does. 489 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:51,000 We're so obsessed with finding that shortcut, 490 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:52,280 that magic solution. 491 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:53,320 A quick fix. 492 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:57,000 That we completely dismiss the possibility of someone 493 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:00,880 achieving amazing results through sheer hard work 494 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:01,800 and natural ability. 495 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:03,400 It's like we don't want to believe it's possible. 496 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:03,960 We don't. 497 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:04,520 Yeah. 498 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,160 And I think that ties back to what we were talking about 499 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,760 earlier about the immense pressure these athletes face, 500 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:11,680 especially in MMA. 501 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:13,240 Oh, yeah, for sure. 502 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,080 They're constantly being pushed to the limit. 503 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:16,760 To be bigger, stronger, faster. 504 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:20,800 And in a sport where your livelihood depends on winning, 505 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,480 it's easy to see how some might be tempted to take shortcuts. 506 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,240 Even if it means risking their health. 507 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:27,320 And their reputation. 508 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:28,880 It's a tough position to be in. 509 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:29,360 It is. 510 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,400 It really makes you think about the impact 511 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:33,040 of all this scrutiny. 512 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:33,520 Yeah. 513 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:35,000 This constant suspicion. 514 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:36,680 What does that do to these athletes, 515 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:37,880 mentally and emotionally? 516 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:38,360 Exactly. 517 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,520 We talk about the physical risks of PEDs. 518 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:41,040 Right. 519 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,880 But what about the mental and emotional toll? 520 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:44,880 Of being accused. 521 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,440 Of having your achievements questioned. 522 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:48,920 Even if you're innocent. 523 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:50,840 That's a huge part of this conversation 524 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:52,280 that we often forget about. 525 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:52,800 We do. 526 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,280 And you know these allegations, even if they're completely 527 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,880 unfounded, they can cause so much stress and anxiety. 528 00:15:58,880 --> 00:15:59,960 Absolutely. 529 00:15:59,960 --> 00:16:03,240 It can damage relationships, affect sponsorships. 530 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,480 It can even lead to depression and self-doubt. 531 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:06,320 Right. 532 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,200 It's a reminder that we're not just talking 533 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,040 about abstract concepts here. 534 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:10,520 We're not. 535 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:12,200 We're talking about real people. 536 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:13,280 With real lives. 537 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:14,320 Real feelings. 538 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,000 And we have to remember that our words have power. 539 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:18,200 They do. 540 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,080 Especially in the age of social media. 541 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:20,560 Oh my gosh. 542 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:21,760 It's like a double-edged sword. 543 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:22,640 It is. 544 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,600 One tweet, one comment can spread like wildfire. 545 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:27,240 And the damage can be irreparable. 546 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:28,040 Exactly. 547 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:31,360 So we have a responsibility to be mindful of that power. 548 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:32,840 To be careful with our words. 549 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,480 And to demand evidence before passing judgment. 550 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,680 Couldn't have said it better myself. 551 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,120 So to wrap up this deep dive. 552 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:41,880 OK. 553 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,400 It feels like we've covered a lot. 554 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,160 We talked about the history of steroid use in MMA. 555 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,280 The science behind muscle growth. 556 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,640 The ethical implications of PEDs. 557 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,120 The role of the media and social media. 558 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:55,960 And the impact of these allegations 559 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:57,520 on the athletes themselves. 560 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:59,760 It's been a really insightful conversation. 561 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:00,360 It has. 562 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:03,040 And I think the most important takeaway for me 563 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,880 is that this isn't a black and white issue. 564 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:06,800 No, it's not. 565 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:08,440 There are so many gray areas. 566 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:09,600 So many complexities. 567 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:11,400 So many factors to consider. 568 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:13,640 And I think it's about acknowledging 569 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:15,680 the potential for misconduct. 570 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:16,400 Right. 571 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,520 While also recognizing the importance of due process. 572 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:20,160 Bareness. 573 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:21,400 Respect for these athletes. 574 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,480 Couldn't agree more. 575 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,680 And you know, if you're interested in learning more 576 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,040 about these kinds of issues. 577 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:27,480 Yeah. 578 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:31,160 I encourage you to check out publichealthlaw.net. 579 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,000 It's a great resource for anyone interested 580 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,960 in the legal and ethical dimensions of public health. 581 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,120 And as we've seen today, those dimensions 582 00:17:38,120 --> 00:17:40,000 can intersect with the world of sports 583 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:41,600 in some really interesting ways. 584 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:42,800 They do. 585 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,080 So with that, I think we'll wrap up this episode 586 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:46,080 of The Deep Dive. 587 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:47,280 Thanks for joining us. 588 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:48,680 Thanks for listening, everyone. 589 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:50,480 We hope you'll continue to think critically 590 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,200 about the information you come across. 591 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:53,920 To challenge your own assumptions. 592 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,920 And to engage in respectful and informed conversations 593 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:58,440 about these complex issues. 594 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,480 Whether it's in the world of sports or beyond. 595 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:02,760 Until next time, stay curious. 596 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:27,760 And keep asking those tough questions.