1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,400 Welcome back everyone to the Deep Dive. 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:06,240 Today we're gonna be tackling Joe Rogan's fitness regimen. 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:09,320 Specifically the controversies surrounding it. 4 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:11,160 You guys know that you love to get to the heart 5 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,200 of these complex topics and find those aha moments. 6 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:15,400 So let's do it. 7 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,300 We're about to unpack the claims about Rogan's physique, 8 00:00:18,300 --> 00:00:19,720 separate fact from fiction, 9 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:23,080 and really understand the nuances of performance enhancement 10 00:00:23,080 --> 00:00:25,920 in the context of aging and fitness. 11 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,480 And by the way, if you are interested in more deep dives 12 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:30,280 like this one into the world of health and wellness, 13 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,040 be sure to check out publichealthlot.net. 14 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:35,040 But for now, let's dive right in. 15 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,040 Okay, so Joe Rogan podcast host, fitness enthusiast, 16 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:40,320 and a familiar face in the MMA world. 17 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:41,560 He's really built a reputation 18 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:43,520 for being incredibly dedicated to his fitness. 19 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:44,360 Definitely. 20 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,320 And he's really into martial arts, 21 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,420 Brazilian jiu-jitsu taekwondo, 22 00:00:48,420 --> 00:00:51,240 and a huge advocate for strength training, 23 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,720 weight lifting kettlebells, you name it. 24 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,240 He even swears by high intensity interval training or HIIT. 25 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,280 Right, and the results speak for themselves. 26 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,160 Rogan is in his 50s 27 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,400 and maintains this muscular youthful physique 28 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,280 that has sparked quite a bit of discussion. 29 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:08,720 And let's be honest, a good deal of skepticism. 30 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:09,800 Exactly. 31 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:11,480 People see his physique and they're like, 32 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,160 wait a minute, is this all natural? 33 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:16,120 And that's where the steroid allegations come in. 34 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,000 Okay, so let's address the elephant in the room right away. 35 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:20,720 There's no actual proof 36 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,040 that Joe Rogan has used anabolic steroids 37 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:24,680 in the bodybuilding sense. 38 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:26,160 I need to be clear about that up front. 39 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:28,480 But there's no smoke without fire. 40 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:29,320 Right. 41 00:01:29,320 --> 00:01:30,880 People are clearly seeing something 42 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,600 that makes them question if it's all just diet and exercise. 43 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,440 Well, there are a few things fueling that skepticism. 44 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,480 First, there's the visual evidence. 45 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,400 His transformation over time, 46 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,360 particularly his muscle development in his 50s, 47 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:44,400 has raised eyebrows. 48 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:45,720 Yeah, people are looking at that and saying, 49 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,160 okay, even with a great workout routine, 50 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:50,000 is that really possible? 51 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,720 So let's talk about what Rogan has actually admitted to. 52 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:54,200 So Rogan has been very open 53 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,720 about using testosterone replacement therapy, or TRT, 54 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:01,080 and human growth hormone, or HGH. 55 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,600 He frames it as part of his anti-aging regimen 56 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:06,680 to maintain his energy muscle mass 57 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:08,240 and even cognitive function. 58 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,720 Yeah, and he talks about this pretty openly on his podcast, 59 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:12,080 the Joe Rogan Experience, too. 60 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,280 It's not something he's hiding, 61 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:15,760 but that just adds another layer 62 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:17,520 to the whole debate, doesn't it? 63 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:18,360 It does. 64 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:19,320 See, here's where it gets tricky. 65 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:21,080 TRT and HGH. 66 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:21,920 Okay. 67 00:02:21,920 --> 00:02:24,320 They often get lumped in with anabolic steroids 68 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:25,400 in the public's mind. 69 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:26,240 Yeah. 70 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:27,960 But they serve very different purposes. 71 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:29,520 Okay, let's break that down for the listeners. 72 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:30,920 Can you explain the difference? 73 00:02:30,920 --> 00:02:31,760 Absolutely. 74 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,760 Anabolic steroids are synthetic substances 75 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:36,680 designed to mimic testosterone. 76 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:37,520 Got it. 77 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,720 They're primarily used to quickly and dramatically 78 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,160 boost muscle growth and strength. 79 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,720 Think of athletes looking for a competitive edge, 80 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:45,720 often illegally. 81 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,280 Okay, so that's the classic steroid image we all have. 82 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,040 What about TRT and HGH? 83 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,600 TRT aims to restore testosterone levels 84 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:54,480 to what's considered a normal range, 85 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,160 especially as men age. 86 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,800 It's often prescribed for men experiencing symptoms 87 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:00,120 of low testosterone. 88 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,840 And HGH, I know that one gets thrown around a lot, too. 89 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,480 HGH also has legitimate medical uses. 90 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:07,720 It can be prescribed for a variety of conditions, 91 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,440 including growth hormone deficiency in children and adults. 92 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,800 So Rogan's argument is that he's using TRT and HGH 93 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:15,640 under medical supervision. 94 00:03:15,640 --> 00:03:18,200 And he's not exceeding normal hormone levels. 95 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,840 He's trying to regain a healthy balance, 96 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,240 not create some superhuman physique. 97 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:24,440 Exactly. 98 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:28,080 Rogan draws a very clear distinction between his approach 99 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,640 and what people typically associate with steroid abuse. 100 00:03:31,640 --> 00:03:33,120 He's very upfront about it 101 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,560 being medically supervised and legal. 102 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:37,640 It's all about hormonal balance for him, 103 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,880 not enhancement beyond natural levels. 104 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,120 Okay, so we've got Rogan's side of the story, 105 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:43,000 but let's be real. 106 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:44,760 There's a lot of skepticism out there. 107 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,200 People hear hormones and immediately jump to steroids, 108 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:48,800 even if it's medically supervised. 109 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:50,520 And those doubts are understandable. 110 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,800 There are a few things fueling that skepticism, 111 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,440 even beyond just visible changes in Rogan's physique. 112 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,600 Remember those ambiguous comments he's made on his podcast? 113 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:01,960 Sometimes jokingly, sometimes offhand remarks 114 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,360 about steroids and performance enhancing drugs? 115 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:06,040 Well, that doesn't exactly help his case, does it? 116 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,160 It doesn't really dispel any of the rumors, that's for sure. 117 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,840 And let's not forget his circle of friends and acquaintances. 118 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:11,680 Right. 119 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,520 Rogan is deeply embedded in the fitness and MMA world, 120 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,040 constantly around athletes and bodybuilders, 121 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,960 some of whom have faced PED accusations, 122 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,880 that proximity inevitably fuels speculation as well. 123 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:24,720 So we've laid out the groundwork, 124 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,840 Rogan's fitness regimen, his admitted use of TRT and HGH, 125 00:04:28,840 --> 00:04:32,520 and the public skepticism about his physique. 126 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,160 Now the question is, does Rogan's approach 127 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,440 cross the line into cheating? 128 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,960 Is using hormone therapy, even when medically supervised, 129 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:42,640 to counter the effects of aging, 130 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,000 giving him an unfair advantage? 131 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,760 We'll delve into those ethical considerations next. 132 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:49,760 And if this topic has sparked your curiosity, 133 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,000 make sure to visit publichealthlaw.net 134 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,440 for more deep dives into the world of health and wellness. 135 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:56,320 It's a billion dollar question, isn't it? 136 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,520 Is TRT, even when it's medically supervised, 137 00:04:58,520 --> 00:04:59,440 a form of cheating? 138 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:01,640 After all, not everyone has access to TRT 139 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:03,040 or even chooses to use it. 140 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:03,520 Right. 141 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,560 Some would argue that any type of hormonal enhancement, 142 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,920 even to restore so-called normal levels, 143 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:10,680 is still giving you an advantage. 144 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:11,840 So where do we draw the line? 145 00:05:11,840 --> 00:05:13,840 What's the difference between optimizing your health 146 00:05:13,840 --> 00:05:15,440 and maintaining an unfair edge? 147 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:16,800 It's a complex issue. 148 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,320 And there are valid arguments on both sides. 149 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:23,120 You have people who believe that aging is a natural process 150 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:24,480 and that we shouldn't try to fight it 151 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:26,040 with medical interventions. 152 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,560 They see TRT as a way of artificially prolonging 153 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:30,400 youth and athleticism. 154 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:32,280 But then you have Rogan and others 155 00:05:32,280 --> 00:05:36,240 who argue that TRT is simply a tool for maintaining 156 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,560 a healthy hormonal balance, which naturally declines 157 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:40,600 as we age. 158 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,600 They see it as mitigating the negative effects of aging, 159 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,040 and necessarily as a way to become superhuman. 160 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:47,000 Exactly. 161 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:48,640 And that's where the ethical considerations 162 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:50,680 get really interesting, especially when you consider 163 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:51,600 Rogan's platform. 164 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:52,080 Yeah. 165 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:54,760 He has millions of listeners tuning in to his podcast, 166 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,160 hanging on his every word. 167 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,760 When he talks about TRT, it carries a lot of weight. 168 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:02,720 Which leads to the concern that his openness about TRT 169 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,840 could influence younger guys who might not fully understand 170 00:06:05,840 --> 00:06:08,720 the risks to start seeking out these types of treatments 171 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:09,280 prematurely. 172 00:06:09,280 --> 00:06:10,480 That's a valid concern. 173 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,840 Hormone therapy is not something to be taken lightly. 174 00:06:12,840 --> 00:06:14,440 It's not a magic bullet. 175 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:16,200 And there are potential side effects. 176 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:17,960 It's crucial for anyone considering TRT 177 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:19,640 to consult with a medical professional 178 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:21,440 and get a thorough evaluation. 179 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:23,600 But here's the other side of that coin. 180 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:25,920 Some people argue that Rogan's transparency is actually 181 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:27,320 a positive thing. 182 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,280 He's promoting a more realistic conversation 183 00:06:29,280 --> 00:06:31,720 about aging and fitness, acknowledging 184 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,160 that medical interventions can play a role. 185 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,760 It's not about denying the aging process, 186 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,600 but managing it in a way that helps you live your best life. 187 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,040 And in a society that's obsessed with youth and peak 188 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,480 performance, that message of having realistic expectations 189 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,040 is pretty refreshing. 190 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,360 It's about saying, hey, aging happens, 191 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,160 but we have options to navigate its impact. 192 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,600 It seems like this whole debate around Rogan's approach 193 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:58,160 is really tapping into a much deeper anxiety about male aging. 194 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,000 Wouldn't you say society still puts so much emphasis 195 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:02,640 on physical strength and virility? 196 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:03,360 Absolutely. 197 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:04,960 It makes you wonder if TRT is just 198 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,560 a symptom of a much larger cultural issue. 199 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:08,960 It's a great point. 200 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,040 It really highlights how our perceptions of aging 201 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,600 and what it means to be healthy are constantly evolving. 202 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,800 So listeners, if you're somewhat interested in biohacking 203 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,120 and pushing the limits of human performance, 204 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:20,600 this debate about Rogan is something 205 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:22,000 you need to pay attention to. 206 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:23,480 Its preview of the ethical dilemmas 207 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,040 we'll all be facing in the future. 208 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,320 Now, we've spent a lot of time focusing on TRT and HGH. 209 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,040 But let's not forget that Rogan is dedicated to fitness 210 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:32,680 in a holistic sense. 211 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,160 He's not just popping pills and hitting the gym. 212 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,120 He's deeply involved in martial arts, 213 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,600 like Brazilian jiu-jitsu and taekwondo. 214 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:44,160 These disciplines require incredible strength, flexibility, 215 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:45,560 and mental focus. 216 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:47,120 It's not just about building muscle. 217 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,720 It's about mastering your body and mind. 218 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:51,160 That's a really important point. 219 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,080 Rogan's commitment to these disciplines 220 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,280 speaks to a level of dedication that 221 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:56,960 goes beyond just aesthetics. 222 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,640 It's about pushing his limits physically and mentally. 223 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:00,680 Exactly. 224 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:02,640 And that aspect of his fitness journey 225 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,720 often gets overlooked in all the talk about TRT and HGH. 226 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:07,920 OK, so we've unpacked the different facets 227 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,520 of Rogan's fitness regimen and the controversy surrounding 228 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:11,020 it. 229 00:08:11,020 --> 00:08:13,200 But we still haven't landed on a definitive answer 230 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,360 about those steroid allegations. 231 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:17,560 Is there any concrete evidence to suggest 232 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:19,960 that Rogan's physique is the result of something more 233 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:23,040 than TRT, HGH and his intense training? 234 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,080 We'll dig into that and explore what this whole debate reveals 235 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,920 about the public's perception of performance enhancement 236 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,760 as we continue our deep dive. 237 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,480 OK, so let's get back to those steroid allegations. 238 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,400 Based on everything we've discussed, 239 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,400 is there any actual evidence that Rogan 240 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,960 has used anabolic steroids in the classic bodybuilding sense? 241 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:45,000 Based on the available evidence, the answer seems to be no. 242 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,600 There's no concrete proof, no failed drug tests, 243 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,320 no admissions from Rogan himself. 244 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,040 So all the speculation about his physique 245 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,760 stemming from steroid use is just that speculation. 246 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:55,520 It appears so. 247 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,760 Remember, he's very open about using TRT and HGH, 248 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,240 which as we've discussed are often conflated with steroid 249 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:02,560 use in the public mind. 250 00:09:02,560 --> 00:09:04,080 Yeah, that's a really key point. 251 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,680 People hear hormones, and they immediately think steroids. 252 00:09:07,680 --> 00:09:09,800 But it's crucial to understand the distinction. 253 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:13,440 TRT is about restoring balance, not creating superhuman levels 254 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:14,840 of muscle mass. 255 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,800 Think of TRT like a thermostat for your hormones. 256 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,160 As you age, your testosterone levels naturally decline. 257 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:25,000 TRT aims to dial those levels back up to where they should be, 258 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,200 not crank them up to superhuman levels. 259 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:28,400 That's a great analogy. 260 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,320 And Rogan is adamant that his use of TRT and HGH 261 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,720 is medically supervised and aimed 262 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,720 at maintaining healthy hormone levels as he ages. 263 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:38,200 So where does that leave us? 264 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:41,160 It seems like Rogan's physique, while impressive, 265 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,760 can likely be attributed to a combination of factors. 266 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,040 His intense workout regimen, his dedication 267 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:47,920 to disciplines like Brazilian jujitsu, 268 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,480 and yes, his use of medically supervised hormone therapies. 269 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:51,160 Exactly. 270 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:52,760 And whether or not you agree with his approach, 271 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:54,240 you can't deny his transparency. 272 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,280 He's put it all out there, sparking conversation 273 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,960 about aging fitness and the role of medical interventions. 274 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:00,920 Yeah, this deep dive has been fascinating. 275 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:02,200 It's not just about Joe Rogan. 276 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,480 It's about how society views performance enhancement, 277 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,280 especially in the context of aging. 278 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,400 If we connect this to the bigger picture, what's fascinating 279 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,400 here is that Joe Rogan, whether intentionally or not, 280 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,160 has become a lightning rod for a much larger societal 281 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,720 conversation about aging performance 282 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:20,680 and the pursuit of optimal health. 283 00:10:20,680 --> 00:10:22,600 As science and technology advance, 284 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:24,880 we're likely to see even more options for managing 285 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:26,320 the aging process. 286 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,480 The question is, how do we navigate those options 287 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,640 responsibly and ethically? 288 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,120 Do we embrace these advancements as tools for healthy aging, 289 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:37,200 or do we see them as shortcuts to an unrealistic ideal? 290 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,720 It's a complex debate with no easy answers, 291 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:41,560 and it's a debate we need to have. 292 00:10:41,560 --> 00:10:44,000 We need to weigh the potential benefits and risks, 293 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:45,920 consider different perspectives, and ultimately 294 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,680 make informed choices that align with our own personal values. 295 00:10:48,680 --> 00:10:49,560 Well said. 296 00:10:49,560 --> 00:10:52,000 This deep dive has given us a lot to think about. 297 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,600 It's a reminder that there's always more beneath the surface 298 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,160 and that critical thinking is essential in a world saturated 299 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:58,000 with information. 300 00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:59,320 Absolutely. 301 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:01,520 And if this conversation has sparked your curiosity 302 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:03,680 about other health and wellness topics, 303 00:11:03,680 --> 00:11:06,320 make sure to visit publichealthlaw.net. 304 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,320 We've got tons of deep dogs waiting for you. 305 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,600 Thanks for joining us as we explore the world of Joe Rogan 306 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:34,480 and the fascinating debate around performance enhancement.